Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 22: Marc Brownstein (Disco Biscuits)

Episode Date: October 2, 2018

You ever meet that one special Dutch girl who just grabs your heart by the balls? Well, Andy did, and he opens up to Yeti about certain past regrets. They smoke a joint and have a little talk. Now we're all polyamorous. And on the interview hour, the Fro talks to Marc  Brownstein, bassist of the Disco Biscuits! Jack Brown shares some startling, little-known bits of horrific history. Woof. Let's get real. This is Episode 22. To keep up with the podcast, follow us on Instagram @WorldSavingPodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. Keep up with Marc at headcount.org Produced by Andy Frasco Yeti Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Jack Brown Brian Schwartz Alex Greer Arno Bakker Matt & Chad cocuzza

Hey, it's Schwartz. Great seeing you over the weekend. Listen, I'm concerned about your drinking. You are, you're drinking a lot. And it's going to catch up to you. You work too hard. It's just starting to roll for you. Please tone it down.

I don't need to hear it's a bottle of Jameson split five ways. You can rationalize that shit all you want. Just everything in moderation, please. Moderation. Just take it easy. You don't need to drink the whole bottle. You can get buzzed. You don't need to get fucked up. Just figure out how to balance it, please. Otherwise, I'm going to be managing Andy Frasco's estate. Come on, get your shit together. Hi, this is Michael from Rough Trade in Brooklyn. And I tried calling your manager.

However, he didn't answer his phone, and I looked on your contract and found this number. We have a door. There's actually three doors that's been kicked in at our venue. I checked the security cams on a hunch and saw that there was a large, overweight, big-haired man who was kicking in doors without shoes on, screaming, where is the pussy? And we're going to need to recoup the $8,000 in damage that's been done. We're going to press charges if you don't call back soon and talk us through how you're going to repay the damage. Please give me a call. Again, this is Mike at Rough Trade.

I'm looking for the man who kicked in all the doors screaming, where is the pussy? And we're back. We are here. We are here. We are here. We, we, we, we, we are here. What's up? How are you? This is the Andy Frasca World Shades Podcast with Yeti.

I'm here. Yeti is at my house. This is a rare sighting. We are in Kansas City. I'm going to take a picture right now for posterity. Don't take a picture. You know I have to. I don't want anyone to know where I live

You can't see outside Stop being a bitch And we're back Andy, you're the only person I know that's like Look at me, look at me, don't take a picture You're like, no I get it But this is your refuge This is my sanctuary

Yeah, this is your sanctuary I'm not posting shit like geolocation or anything. This is one of the only reasons why I moved to Kansas City. Is because there's nobody here that knows you? Well, I don't have that lot of friends out here. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I have people that like know me, but like, like less people that want something from me.

I got you. So it's more, this is more just normal life for you. Yeah. But I don't know what normal life. Right. I know you don't. I'm,

I'm telling you, I'm feeling so weird in this house. You know, like I sit on the couch, I play video games for a little bit. Then I walk and go to the piano. I just don't know what to do. You need something to do on your breaks.

Like you, like whether it's, I mean, obviously practice and write and everything like that. But you should look at volunteering. Like you get this dope, like there's a couple of dope places I've seen in your hood that would be totally cool for you to volunteer at and do something. Like the Kauffman Center or something? Yeah. I don't know. I'm just kind of like buyer's remorse, I guess, two years later.

I bought this house out of a living because I didn't want to spend my money on drugs and women. So I said, let me just clean out my bank account, put it into a house so I can't touch that money. That's smart. But did your parents influence that? 100%. I mean, was it like direct like, hey, we't touch that money. That's smart. But did your parents influence that? A hundred percent. I mean, was it like direct, like, Hey, you have, we know you have money now you need to do it. Or was this more like, because you're the son of real estate people from Southern California, Jewish real estate people? No, I think it's just, uh, I got guilt tripped a little bit for buying a house. Your dad, your dad had a conversation with you. He was like,

you need to do this. I think my mom just subconsciously told me, you need security. Your mom listens to the podcast. She does. We were talking about this last night. I know she does. I'm talking about eating out girls and doing cocaine.

Jesus Christ. You were telling me about the time that your mom caught you in a threesome. Yeah. Tell that story. My mom caught me in a threesome in a Carl's Jr. parking lot. But no, but like what led up to it? She was worried about you. Yeah, she was worried about me because I made like a couple thousand dollars.

It was like I was a junior in high school. It was $3,000, you know,. It was $3,000, you know? And I had $3,000 in cash. My mom was so paranoid that she's like, oh my God, he's going to get mugged. And like, we're like in rich. He thought you were going to get mugged. You're picking up hookers. Two different ends of the spectrum.

Both of them, not great uses of $3,000. No, so I was like, you know, we were just hooking up in the back of my pathfinder. These were friends, not hookers, by the way. Yeah, not hookers. Mrs. Frasco, I apologize. Yeah, 17-year-old hookers. Like, oh my God, you child pornographer, Yeti.

No. Stop. No, but she caught me like, yeah, I was fingering two girls in the back of my pathfinder at a fucking Carl's Jr. You had a pathfinder? Hell yeah, I was fingering two girls in the back of my Pathfinder at a fucking Carl's Jr. You had a Pathfinder? Hell yeah, a Pathfinder. I had sex a lot

in high school and that was like the go-to. Park the car. No, but yeah, I regret a lot of things like not being close enough to the people I really like.

Like, I had this one girl. Didn't ever really hook up. Cue music. I think she was the one and I fucked it up. Bad. The one that got away. Yeah.

And I was too scared to do it. The one that got away. There's two girls. Two girls that got away. The two. It doesn't sound the same. I mean, this will totally sync with the two it doesn't sound the same I mean this will totally sink with the two inch doc

one girl was she'll make I will not sleep at night sometimes because of how I

fucked that up yeah you lose sleep over this yes still tell it what she's from the Netherlands

I'm not going to say her name you don't need to you can just say her name. You don't need to. You can just say the person. Her parents passed away on that KLM flight to Malaysia where the accidental bomb, the rocket. And both her parents passed away. Oh, my God. And I was with her.

You know, it was a long distance thing. She was the only one that I was like really trying to work on something with. I still cheated on her, which was fucked up. So, but had there been... Let me ask you this. She had my heart. She had your heart.

You were in love. I don't know what love is. Was it like what you said it was with your teacher? You said that you fell in love with her. Yeah. mean similar it was very similar we really know what love is i say that all the time i'll call you on that here smoke yourself so that the other thought that i had when you're telling me about this in addition to um were you in love did you feel that it would have gone further but you said you cheated on her is, and my question was going to be, did you have an agreement?

Was there an understanding that you were exclusive? There wasn't an understanding that we were exclusive. It was more of do the right fucking thing. Do the right thing. Do you think, do you think. In my drunken haze, I thought that just coming and busting a nut and not having feelings for whoever I'm busting a nut in or on or whatever. In the condom.

In the condom, Andy. In the condom. Always in the condom. I thought in my fucking, you know, trying to make it all be good in my brain, that was okay. Really, it's not okay. So you were thinking it was okay to be

with somebody when you had feelings? I thought of sex as jacking off. Oh, okay. So like, I'm just releasing the poison. There's a lot of people that agree with you on that. Yeah? Yeah, there's a lot of people.

I mean, yeah. I mean, I didn't... I cared about this girl, but I knew that... But if you felt that way, I think what I'm wondering, because I asked you, did you have a conversation? Was there an exclusivity? And you said no, but I think for you there was in your feelings.

Because let's be honest, you'll go night to night or week to week, whatever, girl to girl to girl, and you never felt guilty about being with this one from the last one, right? And this time you did. And you've identified within yourself, you don't realize that that's love. That's conscious. That's a conscious effort towards something.

So yeah, sex is definitely masturbation with another person. Yeah. Like, I mean, in some level. And so, and now you see why like all the Christians and stuff think all of it's bad. Wow. I didn't realize that. I think, yeah, I think I'm a, that's the one that got away.

That one and another one from Little Rock. But she was never, she never believed my bullshit. I was trying. That's the reason why I moved to Kansas City. Be closer. To be close, but not too close to Little Rock. Because it's a cheap flight over there it's just five hours six hours yeah drive yeah sure but i don't want to be like hey i'm moving to

little rock let's let's go what was it okay what would the did these women have these are two women after your um high school dalliances um after falling in love with your high school teacher did these women have, were they similar? Was there something about them? Because you're very particular. This is what I'm getting at. You're very particular. And so for you to find two,

I'm like, all right, these are some diamonds in the rough for Frasco. Soft spoken. Likes to get me out of my comfort zone. Nice smile. Can make me happy just seeing them smile. And very, I think they're like my mother. This Freudian thing. I think I'm trying to date my fucking mother.

No, everybody is. I mean, Freud wasn't wrong. he also was a raging cokehead. Freud was cokehead? Oh yeah, huge. That's why cocaine became recreational. And he admitted to psychiatry.

I can't do any philosophy when I'm on coke. Or maybe I'm thinking, my brain's too grinding. Well, it's definitely going to speed you up, right? Yeah. I guess Adderall's the same thing. I work on Adderall. Yeah, I took Adderall for the first time last week. Yeah? Yeah, it was great. Yeah, I liked it.

It was really awesome. Cut to seven months later, he's a fucking meth head. There you go. I got it. It was a chewable. And nobody told me they didn't, I got it. It was a chewable. And nobody told me about the headache, the down. And I was like,

a few hours later, I was just like, well, it's like Coke. Yeah, no, it definitely is. And I was like,

we're putting our fucking kids on this shit. Oh, it definitely is. And that's where, I mean, I want to, I want to get on it, like on a dosage where you step on, step off.

So I can actually like apply it to my day-to-day life. You think you could step on, step off? Like, cause you're supposed to. It's methamphetamine, Yeti. Like you can't just like get on it and get off it. No, you get ever prescribed by a doctor. People who are, think that it's not the same as methamphetamine. They're fucking delusional.

I'm not saying that. You're doing cocaine in a pill form. We're giving kids cocaine in a pill form just make the shit legal already okay okay i was like what are you getting at all right all right i agree i hear you let's go back to this relationship thing yeah let's do we got off topic but yeah i love i in a way i love these two girls yeah you okay and for you did you see a future with them is that what that was? Yes.

That was the difference is I can't wait to go back there because you're not like that. You're like, I'll see you in a year or in four months, you know, whenever you're going to a town again.

Yeah, I saw something with the one from the Netherlands for sure. Do you remember that movie Major Pain? No. Do you remember the one about Oh, yeah.

With Wayans. Wayans. Yeah. Do you remember the one about Oh yeah, with Wayans. Wayans. And his dream is like with the chick with the white picket fence. That's what I think of you right now. Mr. Morris,

we need to get that Andy Frasco head on that picture. Do it. Shout out to Mr. Morris for making all our awesome Mr. Morris 5'5 on Instagram. Check him out.

So what are you getting? What are you getting at here, Yeti? Do you think I'm Do you think I I... Do you think I... I am not a fucking soulless asshole and you think I have a heart and you think I could

really fucking figure this out? You've got... Neil Young was singing about you looking for a heart of gold because you have one. Like you're... I mean, Vince from Leftover,

Uncle Vinny, he says it that you're one of the most honest, conscious people and I... You know, when you first told me that, I was like, yeah, I vibe with this guy. Like, he says it, that you're one of the most honest, conscious people. And I, you know, when you first told me that I was like, yeah,

I vibe with this guy. Like I was like, I feel that. And then like the more I've gotten to know you, you're, you're very, you're very honest, brutally honest.

Yeah. I mean like fucking, I'm trying to like send videos to friends and you're like, Hey, is that the one you want to fuck? I mean, and people like, are like,

what is, what's it like to hang out with him? I was like we're 14 all the time that's what it's like the times that you and I are not having fun is when we have to adult and that happens I mean I don't mind that

but what I'm saying is that you're open and so are you soulless? no I mean you're definitely a narcissist open. And so are you soulless? No. I mean, you're definitely a narcissist, but so am I, who cares? Like I,

there's some great people that are narcissists and I think we can do good with that. Um, but I just want to be a better friend to people. Well, like I, that's why I'm working on that too. So that's actually really, I've really been trying to focus on that.

How are you trying to become a better friend? How are you doing that? I'm just trying to like, not be on my phone when people talk to me. I'm trying to listen to people. That's hard. Not just like, fucking,

I already have a back plan rebuttal if they're saying stuff I'm not agreeing on. Instead of hearing the whole thing out and just not waiting to fucking talk and talk over them. Like really trying to hear people out. Do you, when you do that, are you looking for a way to bring yourself into the conversation ever? I used to do that all the time.

It was all about me. Oh, yeah. I did that once. I was over here doing this. Like, tell a story. It was all about me. It was all about how Andy Frasca was feeling. And, you know, that got me to where I am now where it's like for business-wise, but for personal relationships.

Right. That got me nowhere like all i'm caring about is myself and i want to be caring about other people and there's because when you start asking questions instead of telling stories you get to know the people and then you can you have something to talk about yeah you know it's whether it's oh you remember that you know one time you told me that story about you at the laundromat i was at the laundromat the other day and i thought of that anyway you know i mean those it gives you that depth that's beyond what you what you experience most of the time which is very service level i'm only here for two hours yeah um i did a full dose of mushrooms like three grams at Sean's 40th birthday party.

Yeah, you guys were all tripping. When we went to Denver. And I write down all my thoughts when I'm on that shit. Oh, yeah. I write down everything. And then I'll make like a blog post on it. But I kept on writing. I was really fucked up.

Google, how do you become a better friend? I kept writing that. Google, like I'm asking now how to be a better friend. Listening. I was talking. I was laughing with my band again. I was laughing with Ernie. You know, Ernie was telling me some deep shit.

And we were crying together. You know, like, and like I'm actually listening to people. And like, I think that to people. And like… I think that's the most important thing is… Getting out of this fucking fake social world that we're trying to bring every… You know? We're trying to show people a side of us that we might not be. You know?

We're more focused on what our computer screens think about us than the people around us. And that's obvious. I mean, you see, I catch myself all the time. Like, talking to a camera in the middle of an airport. Yeah. And you see how many people do that. And it's completely normal. You know, 10 years ago, people were like, what the fuck?

Yeah, exactly. We're so used to it. Why? Why are we so in the need to be accepted by everybody? We're chasing used to it. Why? Why are we so in the need to be accepted by everybody? We're chasing that neon rainbow.

We're chasing that 15 minutes of fame. Everybody is. And I mean, we're whores about it. And, I mean, I realize that

even after this conversation, I won't stop. Yeah, me either. But I think what I hear you saying is can we do both? Yeah, can we do both? Yeah, can we do both? And I think that you can live in that world

and maybe, dare I say, live in both. And maybe hopefully bring them together. I'd rather see more consciousness in that. If there's more consciousness in our social media. But that goes with our dreams too. If we're conscious, we're fulfilling our dream if we're just living in the behind the dream we're not getting anything done we're just thinking about the dream and that's not even pre-steps yeah that's just like your mind thinking about

other shit yeah you know it's just another thing your mind thinks about. So if we could be conscious and just execute the dream, whatever it is, be a good friend, kill it in your career, listen to your parents more, stop fighting with your sisters, whatever it is that you want to accomplish in the dream, the only way we're going to do it is to physically be there, not just thinking about it through our fucking phones and our computers. I'm sick of fucking looking at my phone and my computer, waiting for my managers to fucking give me some good news.

I live 15 hours of my day thinking about refreshing that email thinking i'm gonna get good news today and like i don't want to it kind of brings that saying i've been experiencing this lately like what you're saying is that when you're so focused on that thing happening like you're just it's you know the watch pot never boils. And this happened to me recently. And I just kept focusing on what wasn't happening. And then when I just let go of it, things came. And even if it didn't happen, I wasn't realizing that it wasn't happening. I wasn't focusing on that.

And when I stopped worrying about it, I got great girls in my life that, you know, like don't judge me or aren't trying to make me be, maybe I am poly. So yeah,

let's go to the interview and then we'll come back. Come back and maybe talk about polyamorous and we'll do it on the next episode. Yeah, yeah. More to come. I'm curious about this though.

It's good. I was, yeah, I want to talk about it. I got something to say. I met a couple poly girls Who are cool as fuck Yeah

Alright let's talk about it Alright Enjoy the interview Brownie What a fucking life Bass player Activist And

Fucking rock opera I found that out buddy I see I'm I've only met you at Jam Cruise. Like, I had no... I knew people were fucking pumped up about your band. They loved the biscuits, disco business.

But I didn't hear anything. Because I got thrown into the jam scene only a couple years ago. Yes. And now I do my research on you. And you are a very fascinating motherfucker, dude. And I want to pick your brain. I want to go 95. I want to go to what happened at the University of Pennsylvania.

I want to talk about the young years of Disco Biscuits. We got a lot to talk about. So let's start with the people who don't know what the Disco Biscuits are and what kind of community you guys have because the community you have, you built, is amazing. So how did that get started? 1995, tell me. Well, 23 years.

Yeah. It started just in college, you know, and we were just, I was meeting people. I was actually in our dormitory. I was a sophomore and I was hanging out selling Grateful Dead t-shirts in the dorm, the freshman dormitory. I don't even- At the University of Pennsylvania? Yeah. I feel like I was always had a hustle. I was selling this. I was selling that. dead t-shirts in the dorm the freshman dormitory i don't even university of pennsylvania yeah i

feel like i was always had a hustle i was selling this i was selling that i worked two or three jobs i was always doing something i look back now on it and i'm like oh man i just had so much motivation when when i was like 19 20 21 just to do all of these different things and to learn how to play music all at the same time. Were you playing bass? So I had started playing bass in seventh grade. And by the time I got to college, I didn't take it very seriously at all. I never really took the instrument seriously.

I was in a band in high school, but I wanted to play guitar. That was my thing. We'll go all the way back to seventh grade. My older brother got a guitar and I was like, oh man, I want to play guitar. So I was like, God, everybody, somebody's got to get me a guitar. My mom, my dad, and my brother kiboshed it. He was like, absolutely not.

You cannot do every single thing that I do. You know, you're always trying to be like me. You're always trying to copy me. You have to get your own thing. And he was like, there's another instrument called bass. And I had never heard of the bass. i couldn't even identify the sound really it took me that i'd be like all right play the music and then they'd be like there you hear it you know i'd be like no i don't know what you know they'd have to get to the part where it's just the bass as a solo and be like that's the

bass did you take psychedelics or like was so psychedelics? So there was a time in our career when we were young where it was basically just like an acid test too. I mean, we were fans of Phish. We were fans of the Grateful Dead. And we were partying certainly on stage. Like taking acid on stage? For sure.

A lot of times in our early years i don't definitely not every night but enough that we were having crazy exploratory psychedelic experiences that were deep and meaningful to us and it was connecting with people did it help you build a bond with your band i think that what happened was we were, we, we practiced in our guitarists fraternities basement and we took acid one day and went down into the basement and, and played one song for like several hours, you know? And while that was going on, it went to so many different places and we felt so connected that we were like you know when it was over we were like holy well that opened up some doors that hadn't previously been opened

um and and i think it was it tipped us off to the fact that you know if ever you do feel like you're musically stagnant you you can explore with psychedelics. You know, there is something that goes on where it opens you up to a certain, a different consciousness, where there's a part of your brain that's not necessarily always being used and you can tap into that.

And if you tap into that while you're doing something creative, and certainly I'm sure you've seen the posts that people have made about like there's artists who say like, here, I'm going to draw the same thing throughout the course of one of my acid trips. And you can follow them along with how their creativity goes through an acid trip.

Well, you know, in a lot of our early shows, you could follow along with how our creativity goes during an acid trip our drummer never would do it no because someone had to be had to lead the train

right it's always the drummer that's leading the train always you know for our whole career a lot of bands our drummer has

you know our drummers would you know not to say like I haven't caught you know one or two of my drummers taking mushrooms

at four in the morning when it was all over like what are you doing and it's like well now's my time yeah exactly it's my turn but you know in terms of the guitar and the piano and the bass and and and and exploring the possibilities yeah psychedelics definitely changed things so do you think that that that moment in that garage at the universe of Pennsylvania, were you guys gigging yet? Or was, or like gigging outside of like

your local fucking frat? Like, was that the moment you're like, all right, let's fucking do this? No, I think right away we were so confident that like the first time we ever played together, we're like, all right, we're going to be huge. So how long were you regionally until you started touring this thing?

So we started in 1995 and our first like tour uh our first regional tour was 1997 in the spring of 1997 and then and uh and then as we came around into 98 we decided we took it national so 98 was our first national so that was the same year you made the rock opera 98 was it yeah so there was two rock operas tell me about this so everything that i'm opera i fucking love it everything that i've ever done has sort of been inspired by everything that my guitarist has ever done so he'll write a whole right the thing was he was like listen everybody needs to write and i'm like i don't write and i mean if

you go back through some of my songs i'm embarrassed truly embarrassed at how bad some of the lyrics are and and and how i didn't take the time to be more thoughtful so you weren't thinking about lyrics you're thinking about a groove i just wanted the music to be crazy. And like, I would just write about anything. My first songs were called Nug Huffer, Aquatic Ape, Eduardo the Penguin. And there's just like, you know, I go down the list where one of them's about pot.

You know, some of them have like sexually explicit lyrics that I now looking back on it, regret because I feel like at the time it was just sort of it's art and it's it's fantasy and um and if you look at in the context of culturally what was coming out at the time it's tame yeah but I still have to own the fact that I wrote some of the lyrics back then that are really vapid of me, you know, devoid of meaning. And just at this point, as an artist,

I take a lot of time when I'm writing stuff to make sure that it has meaning and that it's going to come across well and it's going to put forth the image that I want to convey, that it actually represents who I am as a person rather than, you know. What's that image that you want to convey?

Well, I just, you know, it's not an image as such. I just want, I want, there is an image that comes out. You know what I mean? I'm saying like, I want the image that comes out to represent who I am as a person actually. And not just like, you know, at this point, I was just writing dumb poetry back in the day. I didn't think about this stuff.

So who was that person back then? Who would you want to be? I think that you want to get deep? I do, man. All right. Well, I didn't have the easiest childhood. So I had the white privilege. You know what I mean?

I was born into... I wasn't born into money, but my father was a judge. There was definitely money there. It wasn't like we lived a good life as kids. But in the first five to six years of my life, there was traumatic events that occurred that when I was three, my parents split up. Did you feel that? It was my first memories. Like this is the first thing that I ever remember. It's like I snapped into consciousness and my parents were having a massive, brutal fight in the house. And that was like, you know, and then my dad was gone.

You know, he wasn't gone. He was around the corner at his apartment. Yeah, but it felt to you like it was gone. It's the first thing I remembered was seeing these people who made me hating each other and splitting up when I was six years old. Now, my dad's living around the corner and my older brother is living with him

and I'm living with my mom and my brother who's 18 months older than me. When I was six years old, my brother who was 16 at the time died in a in a fire in a motel and he went on a ski trip brother yeah he went on a ski trip in in in vermont and there was a fire in the motel and he didn't get out and and it was hard core like you can't imagine being three going through this and then hitting six and having another trauma. Now as an adult, I know about trauma because I've gone through traumatic events as an adult as well. And so I

know what it feels like to have PTSD. I know about the process of kind of coming out of it and getting out of your depression. I've gone through this several times as an adult and am able to say now that I can look back and say, well, when I was three and six and nine and 13, I was suffering that whole time with post-traumatic stress. And I didn't have a meth. When I discovered weed when I was 14, now they know that weed is a viable remedy for post-traumatic stress disorder. Well, I, I mean, I think that music is great. I mean, seventh grade, man, 13. I mean, that was your release, right? Yeah. There's no question that it was, that's where I went. I, I dove into music and, you know, and then when I discovered weed, I started like, I don't want to say I didn't smile as a child. My friends would be like, you had a great childhood.

What are you talking about? Because it was a great childhood on the surface. You know, I had, my mom took me and did, we had a summer house in the Adirondacks and we had, Jewish parents, Jewish.

Yeah. Jewish. Is that guilt? Do you think the guilt of being a musician? I, this is with my parents. I'm talking through my own. Was it like them wanting you to be something else?

That was also this like heart heavy feeling, this anxiety of post-traumatic. Like what was that like? I definitely had a hard time selling my parents on music. You know what I mean? And when I got to the point where I decided ultimately

that this is what I want to do professionally, which is another psychedelic story and we can get into that this is what I want to do professionally, which is another psychedelic story. And we can get into that. If you want to earmark it, I'll tell you how I decided I want to be a professional musician. But my mom and I got into some major fights of just me being like, hey, I want to play this song for you. And her sort of just not having time for it. And now her email is a Biscuits email.

She's the biggest supporter of all time, but it wasn't easy at first because I don't think they knew that, I wasn't really, I never put in enough work in high school on the bass for them to be like, oh, he's gonna be a professional musician. You know, I decided that later and I put in the work in college.

I didn't, you know, I put in the work with my band. I like grinded out through years with the band and that's how I learned how to play bass. I didn't know it as- Through live shows. Through live shows. That's where I learned how to play. You know, that was, I went to music school

and we can back up a little bit. When I got to back up to the other answer, When I got to, to back up to the other answer, when I got to the age where I started to write music, I want to say like, I couldn't write about something meaningful because it just was too painful. So I made, I wrote about jokes. I wrote about the aquatic ape. I wrote about the penguin.

Do you regret that? Well, I got it. No, the only reason I regret it is because the stuff is... I know that our fans love some of this music. They love Nug Hoffer. And I don't...

You know, I watched my favorite musician, Trey from Phish, go through the same thing as he grew up. And he was like, oh, I remember when he stopped wanting to play the stuff he wrote when he was 20, because it didn't represent who he was

and it didn't have enough of a meaning. And the fans were like, just dude, don't do this. We love you, Enjoy Myself. We love Divided. We love all these songs that don't necessarily seem like they're kitschy, they're jokes, they're funny, but we love this stuff we were kind of pushing the envelope a little bit further than that then it wasn't just

funny 96 97 98 it wasn't just funny we were like saying certain things in our songs that might have been you know might be offensive to certain people and that's what i regret i regret that i might have written some songs that might actually offend people. And I've had to answer for some of it this year. Still. Definitely, because now people are starting to go back and sift through and see what people said. And say, you know...

But why are they worried about the man you were then? Why aren't they worried about the man you are now? Well, I saw Tali Kweli, who I'm a big fan of. Love Tali. I saw him say something a couple of days ago online that really really resonated and and kind of solidified how i feel about this issue he said somebody said quoted some of his lyrics that had maybe like a misogynistic uh or or you know some other kind of offensive comment in it and talibib said, you know what? And I said this earlier.

He said, you know what? I'm going to own that this was a mistake. I was being lazy as an artist. And that what I'm saying in that song doesn't reflect my own views now. They don't reflect who I am. And I'm admitting that it's wrong. And I feel like that's a sign of growth, you know? And that kind of put into words exactly how I feel about some of these songs.

And I don't play some of them. There's a couple where I'm like, this song is a little offensive. I'm not going to play this anymore. And that's what that is. I mean, it's just, you know, everybody does grow. In terms of regret, I had a chance to say everything that I wanted to say about my childhood ultimately. I had a chance to write those songs.

I wrote about my dad. What were they? What are those songs that are about that got you through that PTSD? One of the songs is called Therapy. You know, and it's just about the idea that my whole life, the doctor, they would just send me to the doctor you know like from

six years old it's like here's your therapist you know you his brother died send them to the doctor and isn't that america now well that's why this is a timeless song the lyrics are one two three one of the lyrics is one two three you got add let me give you all the pills that they gave you gave to me it's gonna set you free and and the is, you know, there's a doctor in the house, you know. And the idea of the song was, instead of sending me to the doctor, can we talk about it? You know, you can always talk to me is my refrain at the end of the song. You can always talk to me. And it was like, you know,

one of the lines in the song is, I wish I could have talked to my dad instead. You know, it's like, I feel like my own children, I'm not sending them to therapy. I'm doing the work with them. I'm sitting down with them and talking through all of the major issues about growing up and talking about all of the life issues and

finding where they're uncomfortable and finding where they're not feeling settled in the world and helping them through it. Every single day, my wife and I are going through this with our kids. It's about communicating with them and i don't think we i didn't have that with my parents as much yeah i want to get back to that so you with your dad being a judge and stuff and you like you know going on your psychedelic adventures like what was that like like growing up with your pops like was it like he was like my kids just getting fucked up like he doesn't understand that what you're doing the psychedelics for is expanding your mind to be focused into the music.

Well, my dad was in Alcoholics Anonymous for the last 10 years of his life. So he as an addict was most concerned with the reality of addiction, which is that

addiction doesn't discriminate and addiction is hereditary. So he knew that he had passed this addiction on to one, two, or if not all of his children. And he was frightened beyond belief that we were just going to be addicts regardless of what we did or what we didn't do. So for me, when he discovered that I was smoking weed,

it was a fucking disaster. He sent me to rehab. For weed? Yeah. And so I have- Every Monday night, another lyric in therapy. So I sit, no, here, I lived on 6th Avenue in West Wall Street in Manhattan.

And he would send me over to university at 13th to this room where I'd get together every Monday night, which is another line in my song. It says, you know, I sit back in the chair every Monday night. I try not to let them notice that I just got high. I drop Vizine, look straight ahead. I wish I could have talked to my dad instead

because he would put me in a room with 20 heroin addicts and coke addicts. And I had to sit there. Yeah, I was just pretty much smoking weed at this point. And I didn't take acid until after high school ended. Like right after. Did it scare the shit out of you? Or did you're like, this is fucking bullshit. No, it scared the shit out of me.

I got a first i mean probably the smartest thing he ever did did you ever do heroin in your life or anything he i he he basically said there's a line and if you cross it you're gonna have a really hard time coming back over to the other side of the line and they're starting to change the narrative on heroin addiction. I just read an article this week that said, we need to stop saying that it's a death sentence. We need to stop saying that opiate addiction

cannot be overcome because it can be overcome, but it's really fucking hard. You don't want to go there. And more times than not, people die in the car in the process of trying to recover so um i was in a room with people who were literally doing 20 bags of heroin a day and they were in they'd be like i was sober for four days and then i went out and i got a bag of heroin and i did 20 by the time night was over and i was sitting there like holy shit i'm never fucking doing

heroin ever you know and and holy fuck and i never did and i never did opiate you know when i got shingles i took percocet for a week and within a day i was like holy shit this is addictive i could feel how addictive it was i couldn't sleep yeah without it i had to wean off of it. So I've taken a Percocet prescription, but outside of, you know, that time where I couldn't get, where I couldn't sleep otherwise for two weeks, I was so sick that I needed it. Were you guys partying hard those early years or what?

Yeah. What was going on? We partied too hard. I mean, we took a lot of ecstasy at the shows when we were younger. Your fans seem like they're partiers too. I think now

I think it's with this it does trickle down a little bit. I think it is one of those things where you have to be by example. If everyone knows that the band's getting fucked up every night you know it kind of gives the fan base license to just go really hard with us it got to the point where we were like you know i got to the point where i just i came out i went on a jam

cruise about five years ago and i came off of the jam cruise and i was just broke and i had partied so hard on this jam cruise that i felt like I was just crying, you know, from nothing and I was sick from nothing and so I quit partying about four or five years ago and... Do you feel better? Oh my God, I feel incredible. My whole life has changed

around, yeah. Really? For sure, yeah, because Did it, did you ever get, have you ever got kicked, has anyone got kicked out of the band before? I did, I got kicked out of the band before? I did What happened? Well, I mean I've told this story one time on another podcast And I'll tell it again I've only ever really told the true story once

I would love to hear it What happened was We were on our first national tour We went to Vegas on the tour We were there for first national tour. We went to Vegas on the tour. We were there for like three or four days. Like a small crowd of fans, like 30 or 40 from across the country came out for this show.

And it felt really huge to us because we were in this tiny bar in Vegas and there's no Disco Biscuit fans in Vegas, but yet we have kids that have flown from all over the country, just a couple of them, a couple dozen kids. and there's no disco biscuit fans in Vegas, but yet we have kids that have flown from all over the country, just a couple of them, a couple dozen kids, and we partied so hard on this trip. Now, I didn't know what happened until years later

when I was more self-aware about what was happening with these chemicals, but I went- What chemicals? We were taking whatever. I probably took, I mean, it was ecstasy. That's the one that really messes up your brain. You know what I mean? It's like,

you know, it's great and then it's not. And when it's not, it's devastating. You know, you can really feel like despair over nothing. I mean, it really does.

How hard is it to always like be up? You know, you're playing a show every night. Right. So like the next day after you take the fucking ecstasy, you feel like a piece of shit. And then you go back on stage feeling like shit. And then you have to like take more drugs to get back up.

The only way to do it is to take more drugs. So the other guys in my band were really good about not partying on Wednesday or Thursday. And I was, you know, like, it's like my dad's greatest fear was I wasn't good at that. I never, I wasn't good at that i never i wasn't good at not doing i everything i do i either do it all in or i don't do it at all and that's just like the kind of person that i am i was addicted to cigarettes early i know like i don't need to try heroin to know that i'm an addict yeah so i just don't do things because my dad got that in my head early like hey this is what happens to addicts p.s you've got that gene don't up your life you have a choice you know

there's a choice here you don't have to act on you know on that genetic part of your uh you know of your body you know he wanted to educate me and so um yeah like you know i would party on wednesday and then on thursday i had no choice and then by saturday by tuesday i was so wrecked that it was just a perpetuated every night too right how many shows do you do a year now we do 35 no but like then it was like 150 160 we were always out it was one tour into the next and it got to the point where, you know, Magner was, I know those guys were kind of concerned always about my inability to regulate.

And Magner would be the one. And Barber too. Like 2008, 2009 when it came back around, when it was like, you know. Because you guys were really pumping. You were juicing it. 2000, like you guys were a real big band. I mean, like 2000s?

Yeah, the early 2000s, it was going off. And then it came back around in 2008 and 2009 and really started to take off again. And then… Is that when you started Camp Bisco? No, we started that in 1999. Oh, wow. And then, like, the last two or three years,

it's, you know, once I think… Once I got kind of you know i want to say sober like they call it pt sober in our scene which means you know you only either drink or smoke weed and you don't do anything other than that you know we got we started to get kind of serious in the last couple years have been cooking and and and the band's been doing really really well through these last couple years so I'd say those were like the three, like it keeps coming back and peaking again. But yeah, I got, I was in Vegas.

I took a Xanax. I don't ever do anything like that. My mom is always, no pills, don't ever take any pills, no pills, no powders. You can't do this stuff. It's so bad for you. And I took a Xanax to go to sleep in the bus because I couldn't fall asleep in the bus.

I slept for like 22 hours and I woke up. 22 hours? Yeah. I like woke up in like, you know, Mississippi where our next show was like two days later. And obviously my serotonin was depleted. I didn't know any of this at the time. I didn't know what was wrong with me. And I went crazy. Like I just went crazy. We got into a fight in the band and I was like, fuck you guys. I quit. And then like the next, to a fight in the band and i was like fuck you guys i quit and then like the next we skipped the show it was a huge like disaster and and and i didn't know what was happening to me i didn't know it had any there was correlation between partying and how i felt at that time i just thought i was crazy for some reason you know i don't know what i just thought i've and all it

was i just thought i cared about something that didn't matter that's just like caring so much about something that doesn't really matter like you like caring so much about something that doesn't really matter like you know one of the jokes i make now is uh two days ago one of our shows got leaked by a ticketing company for playing up in frisco in uh december and the show went up and i saw a text message from a fan that was like hey is this you know this is for real and i texted the guy who kind of does our announcements. And I was like, just FYI, old Brownie would be so fucking pissed about this. But, you know, it's what happened. You know, like what happened here.

And he was like, ah, the ticketing company made a mistake. And I was like, all right, sometimes shows get announced by ticketing companies. You're like an adult now, dude. It is halftime at the Enni Fresco interview hour. Hey, yo, this is Chad Cacuzza. And this is his brother, Matt Cacuzza of the Spoonfed Tribe. And this is You Remember That One Time with Matty and Chatty. Hey, Matty, do you remember that one fucking time we got banned from Las Cruces, New Mexico?

I remember that one time, Chatty. We had played the show, rocked out, solid crowd. End of the night, I go to take a leak. I go in the bathroom. There's nothing but all these banned stickers and banned doodlings all over the place. I figure, hey, what a great place for a Spoonfed Tribe logo. So I bust out my magic marker. I'm putting our logo up on the wall.

I walk into the Bat Room, and I see the bouncer holding Matt up against the fucking wall going, what the fuck you think you're doing in here and all this fucking writing? Now, you know this place is historic and this, that, and the other thing. So we're like, well, let's get the fucking shit out of here.

We're never going to come back here again. So we're out in the parking lot, and all of a sudden, this guy, he's on the phone talking to the cops, right? And they're just waiting for us. We get pulled lot, and all of a sudden, this guy, he's on the phone talking to the cops, right? And they're just waiting for us. We get pulled over, and this guy's like, where's the guy with the gray hoodie and the red marker? And I'm like, we got all these fucking drugs in our van, and you're looking for a magic marker? No problem.

I remember that time, Chatty. This is You Remember That One Time with Matty and Chatty. When did you meet your wife? Were you getting all fucked up when you were with your wife? Yeah, my wife and I became friends in 1993. So how hard was that taking having kids and having like fucking, like, you know, getting back off tour, fucking dopamine deficiency and you're fucking trying to raise kids.

It's a wonder that the family's all still together with what a fucking asshole that I was. And I know, like, I think, you know, she knew what was going on and, you know, there was just a lot of tolerance for, you know, for getting me through that period of my life. And, you know, maybe, you know,

sometimes you overdramatize stuff. I don't really think I'm overdramatizing this. I was kind of an asshole on those days. It wasn't my fault. I mean, it was my fault for partying, but it was- You didn't know. I was hung over and I acted like a jerk to a lot of different people over the time.

You know, there's probably so many different people that I got mad at. You feel horrible about that still? You know know like every now and then i'll talk to pete shapiro who you're interviewing next uh i'll i'll say hey man i'm really sorry about that time i yelled at you about that central park show with government mule or something and he'll laugh and you know i i acknowledge in my head that like you know the stuff that i would get super hyped up about and super freaked out about when i was younger if i hadn't been partying through all of that i probably like i like would have been more like i am the last couple years i probably would have just rooted that that

anxiousness what do you mean like that anxiousness of like you just it was just basically the you were just basically hung over yeah you were dealing with this stuff. So it wasn't like you were really that angry about the situation. You just got caught at the wrong moment. A lot. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people would say they would try to avoid me on Tuesdays. You know, my agent wouldn't take phone call on Tuesdays. Our managers would just avoid me for a couple of days

and let my serotonin levels go back up. And, you know, you know. Are you the point person in this band? Well, we're not… We're self-managed now and so each of the people in the band has their own particular jobs. That's cool. Things that they're in charge of. Save yourself 15%.

Exactly. Everybody is the point on their own thing. You know, John, our guitarist, he talks to our agent about shows and where it's the, is the point on their own thing. You know, John, our guitarist, he, he talks to the, our agent about shows and where it's going to be and you know, where we're going to play confirms everything chooses our schedule. And Aaron works on all of our streaming stuff, you know, and all of the video stuff. And I kind of work on like, you know, marketing once, once we know where we're going to go,

trying to make sure that the ad mats are all done we have one guy who works for us full time and is it hard to independent manage a band at your level because you have you can sell a lot of tickets a lot of high demand for marketing like do you delegate the work like how the fans come to the shows so it's easy you know it's like if if if the fans stop coming we're gonna have to go into freak out mode and try to figure out how to get them to come back the best way to get the fans to come is to just play great shows yeah we're really lucky you know we post this post the stuff on social media let the marketing people at the venues do their stuff and for the most part it

works out it works out out. There's places that we have to really get creative. Places we haven't played in a bunch of years. We're starting to come back around to tour in places we haven't been. We got to play some shows here. I think we both would kill together. I agree with that. Yeah, we might make that happen.

I want to talk about a couple more things. So at this... You got me. You got me? Is that cool? As long as you need me. Okay, cool. This is very fascinating. I want to talk about a couple more things. So at this… You got me. You got me? Is that cool? Okay, cool. Because this is very fascinating because I had to deal with this too. I listened to Howard Stern.

Yeah. And so for me, I feel like, you know, interviews are devoid of this kind of conversation for the most part and listening to Howard and how great those interviews are

and listening to people sit down for an hour, an hour and 20 minutes and really get deep. That's why I know podcasts are so popular. I know my fans want to get to know you, and your fans want to get to know you. When I told everyone I was in Who Do I Shite interview on the Disco Biscuits, and they said, everyone said Brownie.

Oh, no way. Yeah, man. So it's cool. Okay, let's talk about this. No, don't get me to talk. everybody else will stay close to the hip you know but I'll just tell the truth what about so 23 years is that short a political statement

or you just like the Lakers a lot I'm obsessed with the Lakers yeah but you're not wearing your Nike extra wearing Nike these days because

oh no because of Kaepernick I bought the LeBron James Nike jersey right before I got here yeah no I'm fine with it

I think protest is fine I don't have anything wrong with it of course I went out and bought a bunch of Nike shit right after that what's the craziest thing

that's ever happened on the road I need to tee up an answer for this question you know what I mean I need to have something that's like

so like during like the prime the peak years of just like disco like you felt invincible like you couldn't do anything wrong was it

was it a lot of like the jam scene I'm just knowing it but like in the early 2000s that's when that shit was fucking wild

you know it's kind of like slowed down a little bit like the partying like people were still taking fucking acid and whatever

but it wasn't like it was that's what i heard yeah it's pretty much like it was i feel like it is yeah i mean here's the thing is well we had to contend with the fan base have such a crazy rep about being super partiers like i just don't why is that because probably because they party like crazy i don't know i mean they're getting older too. Like our fan base is aging with us, but we got new young kids. You know, I think this is going back

to what our songs are about. I feel like sometimes the message of our music is like, let's party. One of my songs is called We Like to Party. I only wrote that in 2009, but I was insane when I wrote it. I mean, I was in one of the hardest times of my songs is called We Like to Party. I only wrote that in 2009, but I was insane when I wrote it. I mean, I was in one of the hardest times of my life, and I was on a crazy time of partying,

and I wrote this song called We Like to Party, and it's kind of an anthem about that almost, I feel like, gives off the message, like, let's party, let's go go crazy you know and and maybe the fan but you know one of two things either the fans feel like it's like a a a a card that that allows them to go crazier or it attracts people who already like to party like crazy either way look the crowd has slowed down like the crowd is a lot more mellow it's it's just as big as it was but it's definitely like i feel like a safer scene much more mature you know and i think like the the a lot of the over over the years we've had to put out a message to people like you know let's rein

it in a little bit and i think for me stopping partying publicly sends that message as well to people like okay hold on brownstein stop you know i think people are looking like what's going to happen when brownstein's 40 and 45 and 50 is it still going to be is it like the grateful dead where they're going to take mushrooms and acid until they're 80 or or you know are still going to be, is it like the Grateful Dead where they're going to take mushrooms and acid until they're 80? Or, you know, are we going to rein it in? Well, I got kids and I really care what my kids think. You know, I really want to set a proper example for them. I don't know how I would act if I didn't have kids, but my oldest son is 14 and I want to make sure that he understands that there are limits. You know, for me, it's all about setting a proper example

for my own children. And I think that there's ripples. There's ripples in that wave that go through our whole fan base. It can't not. Yeah, it's amazing. Because it's like,

you guys are still stronger than ever now. And it's like, it's really, it's inspiring for me because I'm 12 years in i've been doing 250 shows a year for the last 10 years straight and i had to stop taking the coke and i had to stop taking the drugs yeah because i was just getting too i wasn't enjoying it anymore

and it wasn't because i didn't love the music it was just because my dopamine level was fucked up right and i was sad and shit i was getting lonely on the road you know it's like well there's the law of diminishing diminishing returns so like the highs weren't getting as high and the lows were just as low if not lower so once you realize that you're you're that you you need to take you know 10 times as much of the drug to get as high as you used to get well you're gonna the low is gonna be 10 times what it was you know and and you know you just have to you know you reach that if you do reach that point like you or me where you're out on the road and going in so hard uh you know then to me it's like you say you survived it. You got out of it because a lot of people don't survive that.

A lot of people, you get stuck on the road. Comedians and musicians, the reason that we're even doing the drugs a lot in the first place is because we're lonely. Yeah. We're out, you know, we are out there on the road and it seems glamorous, but it's lonely. It's super lonely.

Yeah. And I think, you know, look, I wouldn't want anybody to ever feel sorry for us musicians getting to do what we do. I wouldn't trade it in for anything. You know, I'd rather be lonely and going up on stage every night than, you know, than Same here. than have to find another purpose in life, you know, which I don't even know what that would be.

Is this the dream though? When I got to college to tie it around to where we started out, and I was in, I was selling those Grateful Dead t-shirts. I met my drummer, the first drummer of the Disco Biscuits, who's now a doctor. His name is Sam Altman. And I met him and he said, this is so embarrassing. He was like, what, you you know we're all going around what

do you want to do when you get out of pen you know and he's like i'm going to be a doctor and i was like oh cool he's like what do you want to do and i was like i'm going to be a rock star and i remember everyone just kind of looked at me like, what a fucking tool. And I was just like- Look what happened. You could say fuck off. Yeah, he became a rock star. Well, so did he. Oh, yeah.

And then he became a doctor too. That's what- Okay, that was my last thing. We were both right. Oh my God. Did he quit the band to become a doctor? So was it a fight? I think that it was a lot of fights.

Or was it just he was just over it? I think that at that point In our career If you weren't the one Who was partying every night And you were sitting Behind the drums Watching it all go down You had to ask yourself

The question Is this sustainable Was that your best friend No Who was the best friend In the band I'd say now Over the years

Aaron and I Have grown Into best friends But I didn't really Necessarily have A best friend In the band You know I'd say now over the years, Aaron and I have grown into best friends. But I didn't really necessarily have a best friend in the band. It wasn't like that. It was like we were all in it together. We were a force.

A family. It was just a one thing. It was just like a force. We would walk into a room and take the room over without our instruments. Do you still feel that way at the point of the band now? I don't still feel that way. I finally feel that way again. Wow. You know, I feel like...

What was not making you feel that way? We've been through a lot, man. We've been through a lot. We lost our drummer. It took four years from getting Alan back. Alan, our new drummer in the band. It took four years before it was like, we're back from 2005 to 2009.

And it was the mid 2008. There was a show in Boone, North Carolina in like October of 2008, where we got into this jam. The song was called Then the Ladies Are the Rest of the Night. And we got into a jam and that was the turning point. I was like, whoa, we are back. And then, you know, we, then we weren't back. And then little by little, those moments would reappear more frequently until mid 2009, when we were just on fire and um then we you know we made an album in the in those years it was didn't sound anything like the disco biscuits it was by far the most commercially successful album that we've ever had i think looking back on it now our fans really do like it but when were they kind of like

restraining on it when it came out they hated it And it really was a gut punch to the band. Even though we had four songs on like MTVU and like, we like had a song on the Billboard charts and like things were like happening.

How does that make you feel though? Like when you're diehard fans, does that like, do you stop listening to your fans and like say, fuck this? No, not me.

Everybody else is stronger than me. But I was like, no, I wanted to immediately get back in the studio and make something that sounded just like what our show sounded like. And we did. We went right back into the studio,

made another album called Otherwise Law Abiding Citizens that was not commercially successful and is also a great album. They're both great, totally different. It's 10, we're 10 years past this now but

the gut punch of spending 3 years working on something and then having the fans hate it so much you know but like you're building new fans

cause it's on MTVU and stuff so like did they just didn't fans don't like I don't think that I don't know that

that does build new fans or did it does but it just did you see your numbers like going down from that album? No, we never saw our numbers go down, but it just was, we are like close with our fans.

We read what they're saying. At that point, we were maybe reading online what they were saying and it was like just, it didn't land. And it's like, it was like just it didn't land and it's like it was it was hard and and um then we got into like a a situation john broke his hand after after a show got it it was so heated up like

this is just two days after this and i i don't know that one thing was related to the other or he punched the wall or something he punched a wall and broke his hand and and it it was like right and on our album was he pissed at one of you guys or no um yes i mean i don't like you know i let him talk about it i probably he probably wouldn't you know it was i was the only person with him when it happened you know we were together and he was he i was trying to calm him down and he was super angry and just went you know just just punched the wall were you up at this time no it was like you know midweek show and i it was just like it was really it was traumatizing you know and then he was out for we we had chris machete came in and tommy hamilton from joe roose was almost dead came on and he sang and played a

little left-hand keyboard and we continued on the tour with these two other guitar players but it was really hard I mean it was it was there was a couple years where I think everybody could sense it the fans could sense it that there was just it was a struggle everything was a struggle the band was struggling we couldn't there were good shows but it wasn't like how it was in 2009 or 1999 or 2002 there was 2008 there was something that wasn't clicking and um and and i think that it was um and and i think that it was behind the scenes that was also going on you know privately we weren't talking really we weren't clicking and it's just time you know they say time heals wounds and i think to a certain extent that's true to a certain extent we just you get over things and little by little we just started getting stronger and being more friendly and over the last two or three years the band is just clicking

behind the scenes on stage friends talking working things out in advance like i bet you could feel that on stage too that's the that's the thing. You never want to admit it. You never want to admit that what's going on behind the scenes comes out on stage. And to a certain point, sometimes it doesn't translate. For us, tension is good. So sometimes when we're having a lot of tension, it creates conversation on stage that is brilliant and that that was the case in 1999 after i broke up the rest of that after i quit the band and then i got fired the rest of that tour up until new year's of 99 was unbelievable 12 30 99 12 31 99 all the stuff leading up to it

we were on fire but we were not really talking at the time so there is a something to be said there but what happened after 2011 2012 I think was more just like our personalities weren't clicking as much and it was coming out on stage Wow but it's bad I'm glad it's back it's so you're back it feels so good feels You're feeling good. High energy. Happy vibes. Brownie, you've said a lot. We've said it all? We haven't said it all. Not a stern yet. I want you

back. I want to talk about the years. We talked about the early years. We talked about the drug stuff. We talked about head count. There's other things I missed on this. I think we should just keep doing this once a year. What do you think? I would love to do it. I would love to come back. I'm glad we became friends at Jam Cruise.

Yes, me too. I saw the smile and I knew I had to be. And we're Jews, dude. We got to stick together in this scene. Brothers. Love you, Brownie. Thanks again. You got anything to promote? Anything Camp Bisco? What are you doing? Well, I would say this. The Biscuits have a lot of shows coming up.

So just keep an eye on discobiscuits.com. You're doing like three-day things, right? Yeah. And usually they're once every four to six weeks. Maybe we haven't played in 10 weeks now, but we're playing like our tour schedule. I can just say what it is. We're playing in Worcester on the 21st of October for the weekend. We're going out and playing Vegas, which are post-fish shows from November 1st to the 3rd.

We're playing Thanksgiving weekend in Albany. We have holidays, which I would, if you haven't been to holidays. That's a blast, man. I would say go to holidaysrocks.com and get your room now because it's unbelievable.

Frisco in early December got announced accidentally. I think we're going to follow it up with an actual announcement in the next day or two. But Four Nights, this is a big one for us. We're playing Four Nights in our hometown of Philadelphia at the Fillmore for New Year's Eve. And that, and-

Four Nights! Yeah, it's a big- It's a lot of fucking tickets, dude. Yeah, it's a lot of tickets. And there was always the question, are we strong enough to play? And I'm just going to, in the interest of opening up always the question, are we strong enough to play? And I'm just going to, in the interest of opening up to the fans,

the question that we've always kind of wondered is, are we strong enough of a band to play two hours away from Phish, where they're playing four nights at Madison Square Garden, and be two hours away from that with our own fan base? Or is it easier and better for our fans

and better for everybody who maybe wants to see Fish and the Disco Biscuits if we come and do these late night shows in New York, which we've done for the last five or six years? The answer is we've already outsold last New Year's. That's what I'm fucking talking about, dude. So if you want to come to see us New Year's in Philly, I'm not putting up a low ticket warning,

but we've already outsold the capacity of the Best Buy, which is 2,000 tickets here in New York. And we sold more than that already down in Philly. The place only holds 2,400 or 2,500 people. So now's the time to get on your tickets. 10,000 tickets in your hometown. Doesn't that make you feel good, buddy? Yeah, it feels really good.

It feels good. Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we only played one night somewhere. Because we do. Everywhere we go, it's three nights, four nights, you know, and that does. I'm proud of you, man.

You guys are really doing it. Thanks. I'm proud of you. It really makes me happy that you, you know, it's like, it gives me hope that I, I could really doing it. Thanks. I'm proud of you. It really makes me happy. It gives me hope that I could keep doing this. So thank you for giving me inspiration. And thanks for being my friend, man. I appreciate you saying that. And I'll kick it up the line because there was, you know…

Throw us on one of those shows, buddy. There was… I already sent it out to my agent this week. I told him January. I was like, January, we got to do. We got two runs. Frasco Biscuits. One on the East Coast, we got to do. We got two runs. Frasco biscuits. One on the East Coast, one in the Midwest.

Cool. Let's talk about it. We'll see what's up. Brownie. Thank you. Until next time, pal. All right, brother. Love you, buddy. Talk soon. Hey, what's up, podcast universe? This is Jack Brown from Sophistafunk, and you're listening to What's Really Going Down with Jack Brown.

What's Really Going Down with Jack Brown. What's really going down is that back in the day in 1921, there was something known as the Tulsa Race Riot. It was one of the worst crimes in the history of the United States, and nobody talks about it. That's because the government of Oklahoma didn't even admit that it happened until 1996. So let's take a look back at this horrific act so we can learn from it and move forward. First of all, in 1921, there was a district known as Greenwood in Tulsa that was actually the wealthiest homegrown African-American community in the entire country. And it was known as Black Wall Street. This is due to intense oil profits and very successful banking and doctors and lawyers that were all in this area. It also was increasingly becoming the subject of jealousy

and animosity from the rest of Tulsa. As a result, there was a young 17-year-old man who was arrested for a charge of attacking a woman in an elevator. Many former World War I veterans protected the prison to make sure that no lynching occurred. What ended up happening was a large mob amassed and shots were fired. And what began was the worst riot in American history. Over 35 blocks were burned to the ground. 6,000 African-American residents were detained. And witnesses' accounts show that police planes were dropping fireballs on the city and burned the entire city to the ground. This is one of the worst incidents in American history

and it's never talked about in class and never talked about in your textbooks. Now you know what's really going down. What an interview. Right, Yeti? Loved it. Loved it. Loved it. Oh, man. Back to it. Loved it. Oh, man.

Back to regrets. Regrets. I don't know, man. We were designed to be sexual omnivores. Oh, that's what you just sent me. We'll talk about that. We will. Okay.

Hope you enjoyed it. I'll just say this. What? I think that for the most part monogamy is a crocking

load of shit mm-hmm because we're we've only been really doing monogamy for the last like 10,000 years

something like that like it's just not the way we were designed yes let's talk about this later Yeti fine 10,000 years or something like that. It's just not the way we were designed. Yes. Let's talk about this later, Yeti. Fine.

This is an hour conversation we're about to have. And you keep on wanting to go into it while we're trying to end the goddamn show. You always do this. You always do this, Yeti. He's standing up. He's standing up. Fuck. I'm just trying to fucking wrap it up.

We've been talking for an hour now. And you just want to just come in here and keep fucking talking. I like to talk. You do like to talk. I'm good at it. That's it. We'll talk about that next week.

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I don't want to tour so much anymore. I want to do podcasts. We like this. This is a good life. This is a good life. I like this. We're at the house. We're in your pimp bachelor pad. I'm wearing do podcasts. We like this. This is a good life. This is a good life. We're in your pimp bachelor pad. I'm wearing

nothing right now. Just naked. That's nice. Just kidding. Alright, guys. Love you guys. Be calm. Don't let people get you down. If you want to say you loved someone, tell them. Because you never know when it's their turn to leave the party.

Love you. Comb your hair. And we'll see you next week. Peace. Phenomenon. For info on the show on iTunes and Spotify so we can make this a worldwide phenomenon. For info on the show, please head to our Instagram at frescoandjerry. For more info on the blog and tour dates, head to andyfresco.com. For more information on our guest, Mark Brownstein from The Disco Biscuits, please head to discobiscuits.com and headcount.org.

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