Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 228: The Nude Party

Episode Date: July 18, 2023

We present to you a new music video: "Birthday Song." Love it or hate it, you can't deny that this band brings the icky sticky. Will Andy persuade Nick to discuss his sexual proclivities on air? Or, will he resist being collected for Andy's sick cabinet of debauchery... And on the Interview Hour we got North Carolina native Patton Magee from The Nude Party! Andy gets microscopic on topics ranging from the profane to the sublime. Also: tuna sandwiches. Find The Nude Party in a town near you and/or stream their excellent new album Watch this episode streaming now!! Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us how you really feel: [phone]  Check out our new single, You Do You streaming on Spotify and Apple Music now! And while you're at it, give a big middle finger to the bigots in your life Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Andy Frasco & The U.N

Dude, big jokes and good music is fucking right up my alley. It's fucking awesome. But if you want to keep the wives and the girlfriends listening to the podcast, you can't start it off with cum on my dick. Come on, dude. My wife is like, turn this shit off. So just fucking right up my alley but uh he's not fucking right chill out later hey andy so my girlfriends turn me on to your podcast and i've

been listening to it a lot lately and wow so much cum talk you can talk about your small dick and all of that cum i don't know i mean it kind of like kind of turns me on, actually. I know it's kind of weird, but I have a thing for Jewish guys. And I know that Jewish guys have small dicks, but I don't care, especially if you can produce all of that cum. You should call me next time you're in town. Do you ever like you ever go to North Dakota? I'm about 20 minutes outside of Fargo and you can definitely stay with me. So yeah, let's be in touch.

Okay. Wow. Sympatico. Like the bond. Someday you'll learn how to say that word. What is it? It's sympatico. There's not an extra C in there.

Okay, French dude. I don't think it's even French, is it? Simpatico? I don't know what that actually is. Anyway, how's everyone doing? Happy Tuesday. See, this is why I wish I smoked a cigarette. Before we did this, I can't think.

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Oh, you know what else has been awesome? Go Puff has been delivering cigarettes. Oh, God. This country is so great. I love it. I ordered two packs of cigarettes and a six pack of Bud Light. I don't have to even go to the bar. You can get condoms, too. I don't have to talk to no one, take no photos.

Not that you use those things, but you can also get condoms on there. Really? Not that you're interested in that at all. He likes it raw. Yeah, I can't fuck with the condoms. You don't make him put on a condom. I'm going to see if I'm sterile. Robert De Niro just got a chick pregnant. I know. See, that's what makes

me I need to wear a condom. I got to start wearing condoms. Or you could become a beautiful father. I don't want to be a father. I just went to 4th of July with fucking... It seemed like every one of my friends... What happened? COVID.

Everyone fucked and just started getting pregnant. That's insane. But now it's like the aftermath. Now all the parties, the 4th of July's parties used to be fucking lit. It was pretty lit Now all the parties, the 4th of July's parties used to be fucking lit. Not that. Shout out to Scott Morrow. It was pretty lit, actually.

That was fire 4th of July. That one kid had a pretty good blow. What? That one kid had a pretty good blow. The other kids was kind of medium. Like cocaine? Yeah, one kid, the five-year-old, he had some good blows. I'm just kidding.

It's like that Chappelle skit. Hey, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From his stand-up. But yeah, it's like now it's like a different, I guess we're just kidding. It's like that Chappelle skit. Hey, baby! Yeah, yeah, yeah. From his stand-up. But yeah, now it's like a different... I guess we're just older. But we still had like 5,000 dollars worth of fireworks. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kids are the worst. But I'm just kidding. Actually, they're all right. This is wild. Now people are just having kids and shit. And then I realized, fuck, I'm old. Well, you're 35. I'm an old single man.

They're having kids later in life. I have friends with four kids. I have friends with 20-year-old kids. They had kids right after high school. They used to be the norm. Shout out to the Midwest, but I'm so thankful I wasn't raised in the Midwest.

It's expected of you to have kids young. It's hard, man. A lot of people were dicks to me about it for a long time. Really? People don't like when you tell them you don't want kids if they have kids. It's weird. And New King. Okay, so Frasco 2034. Alright, new policy. New policy. How are you going to get me in debate? You'd

have nothing on me. It's unfair fight because you live in Indiana. You know more about that. No, but you don't have anything on me in my personal life to really dunk on me. You would really, if we're campaigning and debating, you would make those fucking shitty-ass commercials. I would destroy you. Oh, my God.

Do you want this guy who's admitted the following things on his podcast to my, you know what I mean? You want a psychotic mayor, a sociopath. You would do that. I'm trying to do some vendetta shit like that. that. You would do some vendetta shit like that. I'm trying to do some vendetta shit like that. Into America's singles cruise. Anything inside. I'd be like, do you want a guy in mayor who won't even eat in front of you?

Yes. This man is not trustworthy. He can't even eat with people around him. How would you want him to be the mayor? I'm sorry. I don't want you to see me chewing with my open mouth, mawing on my food in front of you. Who did I talk to about that?

I'm like, I've never seen Nick eat. Keith Portman. I had to sneak through a window to look at you. You didn't see me eat. We've gone out to eat together. I've never seen you eat. We've gone out to dinner together. Bro, I have never. We have gone to restaurants.

I know, but you wait until I'm talking and turning around, then you fucking put it in your mouth. What? Trust me. I watch you like a fucking hawk, dude. I know. You watch everyone like a hawk. I watch you.

I'm like, I'm in this shit. Somehow you watch everyone like a hawk and look at your phone 16 hours a day. I don't know how you do that, but you do it, don't you? Light that cigarette. Okay. Well, what's going on, Nick? I'm just working on my campaign for Indy. I like the idea of saying if you have parents, you can live here, Nick? I'm just working on my campaign for Indy. I like the idea of saying

if you have parents, you can live here, but all your income tax is doubled. Let's think about this before we have Pat from New Party. Singles only. Just very hot singles. I don't know. Indianapolis. Indy 500. That's basically Denver. I know. But Denver's doing well.

I mean, Denver's cool, but the single life in Denver sucks. I know, but I think the single life is pretty much the same everywhere. You know what also sucks? Being in a relationship. Being live sucks. Everything sucks. Jesus Christ. I mean, you can find something shitty about everything.

Let me hit that one. You're going to smoke a cigarette? I feel like I'm going to hit it. Let's fucking go. Dude, we are living today on this Monday. Thanks for my parents in this game. Okay, let me think about it. What would make a really fun, interesting city that could also be growth?

Oh, so Indianapolis is fun and interesting. You heard it here, folks. The guy running for mayor of your town. This is what we're doing. It's good, baby. You ain't going to defeat me in this. This is bullshit. Immediately in a debate.

Indianapolis is a great fucking city. Shout out to All In Fest. That's going to be great. Tenacious D. All In. It's going to be dope. You're doing an after party. We're all playing on it.

We're almost done. Yeah, we're almost done confirming. At the Mousetrap. The Cervantes of Indianapolis. Yeah, it's going to be actually lit. It's kind of close to the venue. And the festival ends at like 10, 30, or 11. I think Indianapolis is a great city.

How can we improve on it? How are the roads? Oh, the roads are terrible. My whole thing is I'm going to just fix all the potholes. How can we make money for the roads? What we do is we don't. We just take taxes from something else. Maybe we tax parents more.

Oh, because of the single life. Because they're the ones driving their kids everywhere. It's like reverse handmaids, too. Yeah, they're like the ones driving. Exactly. It's like they're the ones driving their kids all over to their soccer practices and school. Single people stay home and they look at Tinder, okay? And they get Uber Eats and they are sad. See, this is where I disagree with you.

I will. I will root for that soccer mom. I will let you. We will find tax money from different places than fucking people who have couples and kids. Because I think the future of Indianapolis is the young hipsters. We're going to make everyone hip. They're going to wear Gucci

socks. I'm going to get that tax free. I'm going to talk to Mr. Gucci. We're going to Dr. Gucci himself. We're going to talk to Dr. Gucci himself. Everyone will be fashionable. Everyone will be hot. Isn't he in jail for murder or something? Everyone's already hot in Indianapolis.

We're going to be hotter. No, they're not hot. See, here's the thing. I'm practical. I'm realistic. I know you're not hot. And that's why we're getting the parents out of here. Because they're the ones falling apart after they have kids.

And we're going to make everybody hotter. We need young, hot singles. This is going to be a goddamn carnival cruise of a city, people. We're building a Red Rocks in Indianapolis. Well, that'll fit. We're going to move all the rocks from Colorado. 2,500 cap.

You can't do 10 cap. Although Deer Creek is there. Where's Deer Creek? It's in Noblesville, a little bit north of Indianapolis. I hear fish plays there and stuff. It's like 30,000. We'll make something in the middle. We're going to promote growing bands. Hi-fi. We're going to really hype up. We're going to promote growing bands

Hi-fi We're going to really hype up We're going to give them budget We're going to give them subsidized money Sounds like a communist You guys want a communist running your city in Indianapolis? The American Dream is back in Indianapolis Frasco 2034

The American Dream I just destroyed everything you said American Dream is back in Indianapolis. Frasco 2034. The American... That's your whole thing. I just destroyed everything you said. Then you just said American Dream. Clap. But you might win doing shit like that, though. You're it. What?

Start, like, naming shit. Yeah. American Dream. McDonald's will be taxed. Bootstraps. If I don't like the fast food, you're taxed. Okay. You don't like McDonald's.

I like their breakfast. I love those breakfast burritos. You know what's low-key has a delicious delicious homophobic breakfast is Chick-fil-A. Oh, really? Their breakfast is pretty hidden. They're going to be taxed for being homophobic. Fair enough.

I'm down with running all those people out. They're all kids anyway. We're going to put a Dave's Hot Chicken in Indianapolis. We love our chicken. I went there. It was so good. Where is it? It's near Kofax. No, it's near Broadway. I haven't had it yet, I don't think.

No? Sounds good, though. I like chicken and hot. Ooh, hot. No, literally, it's hot. We're also going to bring back the band Korn, and they're going to be my initiation. There we go. It feels like Indiana would love

Korn. Yeah. So you're saying they're all like white trash, like kind of Mountain Dew people? Jesus Christ. This is such a good bit. I know one way you can beat me in a debate. There's a person out there you could unlock. Who? I'm not telling you, but you know who it is. I fucking hate you. You're just never going to beat me

in this. I was put in a lab to do this. Argue with people. I'll argue something I don't even believe in just because I like arguing. I should have been a lawyer. Anyway, vote Frasco 2034. He thinks you're all dumb. He thinks you're all ugly. Oh, my God.

Now, see, this is the worst thing about politics. You're taking the words out of my mouth, and you're fucking flipping them around. Yep, politics. It's bullshit. I out of my mouth and you're fucking flipping them around. Yep. Politics. It's bullshit. I'm not trying to... I mean, I'm just trying to win here, baby. I didn't make the game. I'm just playing. You know what I mean? I didn't make the rules. I'm just playing the game here. If you want someone who's going to care about you and not just wants

a fucking other trophy on his mantle, vote for Frasco. This is coming from a guy who has openly stated that he goes to the Goodwill and buys trophies for himself. I have zero trophies. I don't have a trophy. I've thrown every trophy, every medal I wore. This isn't a trophy for me. I care

about Indianapolis. Yeah? Do you? I do. Okay. I love Indianapolis. You were all set to be my deputy mayor until I said, maybe I should get a black woman in here to help me out. And you said, no. No black people. I'm running too. Jesus fucking Christ.

I hate politics. I'm so good at it. Maybe I should run for office. I'm kind of killing it. You are kind of killing it. I'm good at this. If I ever ran for office... I would be a great mayor. Do you really think when I'm 50 and running for something bigger, not like office, but trying to get a big boy

crazy job or whatever, or be a partner of a company? Shut the fuck up, Nick. Like be a partner in a big corporation or something. Someone's going to have to say Oh 2023 through Or 2018 through 23

Look what he was doing Throwing mushrooms Yeah it's not a good look It's just mushrooms I think by then mushrooms will be so destigmatized That it won't matter anymore I hope so We're going to legalize mushrooms in Indianapolis too.

I'm okay with that. I think we don't have to disagree on everything. Oh, cool. All right, cool. As he smirks. Dude, you're going to kill me in this debate. I'm not even... I don't want to do this live.

The best was... I was like, hey, maybe for the live one, we could do like a mock debate. And you're like, no. I was like, no, it could be a good bit. You're like, yeah, I know it'd be a good bit of you making me look stupid for 10 minutes or whatever. You know what I mean?

I was like, oh, we could do that. You're like, no. Sometimes like I set myself up for failure hard. That's okay. It's part of being a person. Yeah. Like why? Like deciding to be a professional saxophone player.

That was so funny last week when you were like, if I made money, I would have been a fucking saxophone player. Yeah was so funny last week when you were like, if I made money, I would have been a fucking saxophone player. I'm not greedy. No one who decides they want to be a sax player for a living can be called greedy. Speaking of money, Dialed and Gummies. We love Dialed and Gummies. You're the best. They've been sponsors for almost two years.

Award winning. Yeah, they won a bunch of awards last week. And they have a lot of good looking guys that work there. What? A lot of good looking guys work there. Yeah, Keith won a bunch of awards last week. And they had a lot of good looking guys that worked there. What? A lot of good looking guys worked there. Yeah, Keith's hot. The whole crew. Yeah, the whole crew is hot. So if you're in the Colorado area, I know Red Rock shows are coming up. By the way, speaking of Red Rocks, we're playing Red Rocks

with Slightly Stupid August 15th. That's the day before Julie's birthday. Cool. Maybe I'll bring her out. I'm also doing something in Boulder the week before. I don't know if it's a ticketed event. I think it's a public event, but we're doing the AAA radio conference.

We're trying to get Birthday Song on the radio. Shout out to everyone who's been listening to Birthday Song. We've been getting a huge reaction. Birthday Song. We want all the Birthday Songs. All the Birthday Songs in America. All the birthday songs in America.

All the American birthday songs are so lame and boring. We're going to try to change it up. So shout out to Spooky Daily Pride for writing a great song. Floyd was in Spooky Daily Pride's band. Okay. And they wrote that song together. And I heard it. We did that at Floyd's wedding.

And we backed up the President's United States of America How does it go? I can't remember it Today's my birthday And the cake is on fire Oh yeah I fucking love that song Everyone's been really reacting well to that

Okay So Rascal fans Another number 17 hit On the jam band chart 17 hits Jesus fucking Christ Oh

Spicy Spicy tomato. Mmm. Yummy. Are you having sex? Not right now. Like, in general? Yeah.

Does Julie still fuck you? Ew. God, I'm not talking about this with you. Why not? Because I'm going to be a politician. I don't want to talk about my sex life. How do you do it? How do you initiate the sex?

I'm not talking about my sex life with you. For two years, you've been trying to do this. I'm not going to fail now. How do you do it? Like, dude, do you just touch her leg and say, I'm ready? Or my sex life with you. For two years you've been trying to do this. I'm not going to fail now. How do you do it? Do you just touch your leg and say, I'm ready? Or does she go after you? You're not going to tell me? Come on.

Off air, will you tell me? Nope. Why? Because I will not be collected by you. It's not collecting. I'm just being friends. I'm a little playboy like you. You don't need to know my little details.

Go play with your little girls out there. We don't talk about women Me and Josh Fairman were having some deep conversations And you just fucking ruined it He's like he's trying to collect you I'm like fuck you I was protecting my friend So I'm not your friend

I wouldn't tell you Do you want someone Who protects their friends personal information Who understands that his friends need privacy and that that's okay? He was talking to me about it. He wanted to vent to me. Yeah, but I saw what was going on. He didn't know what trap he was walking into.

I helped him out. I helped him. Josh! All I did was warn him. He was allowed to keep going. I was just warning him. And he's like, yeah, I think you're right. What am I going to say?

What are you not going to say? I'm not a yenta. You're definitely a fucking yenta. You are a gossip queen. You're a gossiping asshole. No, I'm not. Just because I have a podcast. You know every band, what they're selling and how much money they're making. I know when it's not. Their ticket sales. So? I'm just curious.

Yentas are pretty curious too. When people tell me personal shit, I don't fucking talk about it on the pod On the pod, yeah Who else would I talk to? Who else would I say anything to? Just in passing conversation Little Yenta collector asshole

If he wants to talk to you about it, he can I'm just warning him Oh, shut the fuck up This episode went wrong No, it went great We're like, let's talk about the campaign You said let's talk about the campaign. You said let's talk about the campaign. It's a great bit, by the way.

I might actually run. I feel like I could win against some dork. A lot of people are excited. Imagine me against some dork in 10 years running for office. I don't give a fuck about him. I could win, I think. I know how important auto racing is. Auto racing is extremely important in Indianapolis.

My buddy said the NASCAR people came to Chicago. They're so cheap. The old mayor, I guess no one likes the old mayor of Chicago. Lori Lightfoot. She sucks. She said she got into a contract

where NASCAR only pays the city of Chicago $500,000 a year to be in Chicago. To have their office there? No, to have the event there. Oh, that one race they have? Yeah. That's so few dollars. That's little.

I'm like, damn. She did a terrible job. He said Lollapalooza pays the city $4 million a year to have the festival there. They still make money? Yeah. I mean, Lollapaloolu is one of the biggest ones. And they get actual advertisers and shit on their shit. That's wild.

Isn't that crazy? I didn't know you bid in... I guess I did know that, but let's say the World Cup. Does the World Cup pay to have... I don't think so. I think it's the other way around with the World Cup. Yeah.

And then you have to build all the stuff and kill all the poor people and move them around. That's the Olympics. I'm sorry for poor... That's what they do. That's more of the Olympics, actually, than the World Cup. Qatar, though, or Qatar, or whatever. Yeah, that was fucking weird.

Some bad stories came out of that. I don't feel bad about pointing out bad stuff other people are doing. Yeah, damn. Enslaving people is bad, in my opinion. Indianapolis. Yeah. He didn't say anything about it.

He did dun-dun-dun, so I don't know. All right, guys. We're going to have a great week. Shout out to volume.com. Volume.com. Go watch some streams on volume.com. Volume.com. Go watch some streams on volume.com. Be a creator. A lot of bands out here.

Why don't they use that? I think we should do a duet for volume.com because they've been great partners. I don't understand why people haven't used something about islands on stream with a streaming as a commercial. Oh my God, I didn't even think about that. Two guys on a stream That is what you are

It's right there what are you guys doing Talking about Probably expensive song to buy though actually License Got Dolly and Kenny That's bank Someone told me There's this like scam going around

With these like publishing companies Where if you want a song but don't want to pay the royalties of Dolly and Kenny, there's this company who has... Will it remake it? No, they have singers who sound like Dolly. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. So the karaoke fee is way cheaper than the actual song.

Isn't that fucked up? And they get so close that it's like you can hardly tell. It basically sounds like them, But you're paying for the karaoke Because you're using a different master Instead of the actual It's like how Taylor Swift is re-recording all her music Shout out to her for doing that That is so badass

That fucking manager is a douche bag Scooter Braun He fucked her over He fucked over all those people He's the Bieber guy right He's a very guy, right? Yeah. He's a very successful man.

No wonder why all these super successful people are getting crazy because all those fucking guys just rip them off. Yeah, so what? He bought our masters, right? So if you don't want anyone to rip you off like this fucking guy, vote for Asko2034. I'm not going to rip you off. Yes, you will. You're going to overtax everyone

for just having a kid and trying to be happy. Singles cruise. Sorry I want fun. Sorry I want parties. Sorry I want a booming economy. You know what I mean? Take how much money we're going to save on education if we don't have any children in our city. We're going to have money for roads.

We're going to have money for festivals and parties. I'm going to make IndiePride a whole other two extra weeks. Okay. They have a great Pride festival in Indianapolis, actually. Really? Yeah. All right, guys. Go to volume.com if you're a creator. We'll be running our whole

campaign through volume.com. If you want to watch this podcast, watch our video. And you could backlog every podcast. I got a pretty good look at the camera there earlier. Yeah, you've been killing it. Head to volume.com. Dodge another sexual question bullet. What? Dodge

another sexual question bullet. Who? Me, from you. Oh my god. I'm not going to tell you anything about Julie. It's her privacy too. Oh, you're right. She's her privacy too You're right She's too shy She's so sweet I had such a nice conversation with everyone she works at

And everyone was raving about her Yeah she's really good at working I'm still surprised how someone like that likes you I rule I'm great You're right Volume.com, people. Just get on there.

What about if we could talk about your masturbation? Would you talk about that? It's pretty regular. It's nothing worth... There's nothing... I mean, she's always working during the day. Yeah, I mean... So you probably clean the...

I've been known to crank one off. I mean, I'm no pussy. I'll crank one off. It's just pretty normal. I don't have any weird... I'm just very sexually normal. I accidentally like... Normal, you know?

You know, I was in one of those states like West Virginia or like Virginia where you have to show your ID to watch porn and I was like, fuck that. I'm not putting my ID in this fucking system. Show your ID to watch porn? I've never heard of that. You have to take a picture of your ID

before you get on the website. I'm like, fuck this. I mean, I guess I kind of do like that in a way. It's actually keeping kids... Yeah, that's cool. I get the idea behind it. It's weird. But I just feel like they're just putting me in a system.

Yeah, I don't want to put my ID in the internet either. There's two sides to it. Yeah, yeah. So it's flyover states. So I was like, fuck this. I need to release some demons. We've all been there. I signed up for OnlyFans and I was just subscribing

to five or six porn pages. That's why you guys aren't getting bonuses this month. And I forgot that I was still signed up and also I had a bill for like $99 a month. It's like, I gotta cancel all these. Because I only used it once. Plus cleaning fee

But shout out to everyone making that money on OnlyFans Damn, they're making a hustle Some of them are, some of them are just sadly masturbating in their room Making no money at all That's true Just like the music industry I mean, yeah, it's no different Do they do collabs and open for each other?

I bet they do I didn't look too deep in it I was just doing important things But climb the ladder and be more famous on there Do they do collabs and open for each other? I bet they do. I didn't look too deep in it. It's like climb the ladder and be more famous on there. But they try to collab. Some of those girls and guys are making so much money. It's awesome. Bad Baby made $52 million last year.

She doesn't even get naked. Oh my God, awesome. Make your money. All right, guys. We have Pat from Nude Party. Nude Party is amazing. Brooklyn band. I've loved this band and I was so excited to talk to Pat, so I'm

finally excited to finally release this one. They're rock and roll. They remind me of like a New Age Stones. They got like really cool. Hey, Chris, play some Nude Party. Play Chevrolet Van. I love that song. This song's about my life. I'm just going up and down the

highway in a fucking van. The hard way. The hard way. That's fun that you had them on. It's going to be great. So you're going to love this episode. Nick. What?

It's always a pleasure. What? It's always a pleasure for you. What do you want? It's always a pleasure for you like that. What? It's always a pleasure for you. What do you want? It's always a pleasure for you to just beat me down to a pulp. I didn't beat you down. You set it up. You were setting them up and I was knocking them down.

You can't expose yourself. You changed my words. I did not mean it like that. Well, politics, baby. All right, guys. Enjoy the group party. Hey, Pat, what are you making over there for us, buddy? Are you making a tuna sandwich?

A little tuna salad sandwich. Starting with the tuna, we got a little black pepper, salt, paprika, garlic powder in there. We got the bodega lettuce, tomato. And then this is just some, you can get these anywhere. And if you just dice them up, you put them in there. We've got the bodega lettuce, tomato. This is just some... You can get these anywhere. If you just dice them up, you put them in there, it adds a little crunch. You kind of need the crunch.

Do you guys do enjoy having a good time or is it all business on the road? We like to have a good time. It doesn't pay well enough to be um not fun it wasn't fun it just wouldn't be worth it you'd have to party or whatever but it has to me fun me is involved social you know what i mean social hangout

creeping around laughing oftentimes that involves some beers, but it's, there's too many drawbacks to the job to be worth it if it's not fun. And I tell people that sometimes that are like, you know, been on the road for too long and just get like, you know, I know some people that get pessimistic and just get kind of dark and bitter. And I'm like, dude, if you're not having fun, take a break. Don't do it. Right.

What are the drawbacks of being in the music industry? Well, you don't get paid pretty much anything. So you're poor all the time. Yep, true. Awesome. pretty much anything so you're poor all the time yep true awesome but um but on the other hand you sometimes get like really weird nice experiences that you couldn't get otherwise like you get like um even sometimes like rich experiences like when we went to when we went to australia we played splinter in the grass they put us in like a four-star like resort hotel and like

so like three days and like i mean we've got you know what i mean take a boat out to nantucket and stay at like a new england mansion for three days and just like play a few sets every night and just like get fed like the best food yeah and you're like, I can't afford any of this. There's no reason I'm hung in this restaurant with these other people. You sometimes get that backdoor access to rich people

stuff. But then you hang out with the busboys after. Right. And I think that's the beautiful thing about being a musician is there's no class. We could, hanging out with the busboys and hanging out with the

trustfundians, we're still going to be the same degenerates that people pat us on the back. Yeah, it is a funny thing. What's the weird... Rap boys would be like, you ready to rock out tonight?

And they want to fist bump. So you guys have been doing this since 2012. I know your manager, Kara, pretty well. I don't know if she's still your manager. Any more, but we are dear friends. Yeah, so she was basically telling me briefly about what's going on with the career and stuff.

I kind of want to talk about, you know, like, you guys all grew up in Boone, North Carolina, near Asheville? Or did some of you... Well, I went to college there. Didn't grow up there. Just went to college there. Where'd you grow up, Pat? I was born in Houston in 94, and then

I lived in San Francisco from like 96 to 2002. And then I lived in North Carolina for two years. And then I lived in Utah from like 2005 to 2012. And then I lived in Boone from 2013 to 2017. And then

I moved to New York, Catskills, until this year when I moved to Brooklyn. What makes you want to move around so much? When I was... Well, my dad... My parents have a lot of kids. There's like nine of us.

Holy shit, really? Yeah, so I think... And also my dad's just kind of an adventurous, curious person. So the mixture of, I think, him trying to remain interested in life and curious and follow pursuits because he was like in the banking industry that eventually I think became like soulless for him. But also needing to make enough money to support a family of 11 people on one income for most of that time meant a lot of chasing opportunities. Hold on, hold on. Go back to this. Nine fucking kids?

You have eight siblings? I know. And then we moved to Utah, and everyone thought we were Mormon. And you're not. No, but some people just can't believe me. I'm like, why would I lie about that? I'm a baptized Catholic. Yeah, yeah. So can't believe me. I'm like, why would I lie about that? I'm a fat-type athlete. Yeah, yeah. So tell me about

how did you travel? Did you guys have a van? How did the whole family travel? We had a big diet Coke can colored GMC Savannah van that my mom would drive us up. My dad would be working most of the time, so my mom would mostly drive us around

in this big van, listening to like the stand by me soundtrack with like seven kids. You'd always do mom would be, I mean, I understand now why, but mom would be late to everything all the time. Like now I get it. Cause you got one person trying to get like seven kids

like soccer practice and like church and ccd and school and doctor's appointments and dance and all that stuff so i think i did get used to living i mean i i've had a quadruple bunk bed until i was like 15 with three little brothers. Holy shit. Was it hard? Just being like in close proximity with people a lot. What age? Were you the middle, the oldest, youngest?

What were you? Third oldest. Third oldest. So was it hard to get your parents' attention or love because there were so many kids they had to spend their time with yeah i probably didn't get i really didn't get probably much at all which is probably why i why i'm just living out my my childhood neglect by trying to be a performer on stages yeah that's you know I'm the same way where my parents are a little older than me.

So I really felt like they didn't raise me. I had to raise myself in a sense. And that's why I'm in a band too. And that's why I've been living on the road since I was 18 as well. So I'm always so curious about where does it come from? What makes us

want to just live in a van forever? Yeah, I mean, I don't even know if it's that we always want to it is also just part of the gig it's like we made the album and you know you push the album you promote the album and then you got a tour of the album um it is also an obligation it's's not like, you know, like I've only, I just moved here and I've barely been here at all in Brooklyn. I've been like, leave it. Like we went to South by Southwest and we went to Los Angeles and, you know, upstate to do like recording stuff. So I've barely been here at all.

And to some degree, I do kind of feel like it would be kind of nice to live, to hang out in this place where i live a little bit right um like as the sun's coming out last night i went and played baseball with like a casual pickup baseball league in mccarran park really awesome dude i love it it's like 20 of us like i'm just striking out every time you know Was it softball or was it fast pitch With the catcher Catcher's gear

Oh shit Yeah it's awesome dude It's so fun There's something kind of amazing I think that like When I went to college When I left high school to go to college I just wanted to start a band

I thought about what I would study as a skill set, but I didn't really intend to get a degree and follow a career. All I wanted to do was go to a place where there was a bunch of somewhat like-minded people of the same age to just get involved with and do something together. That's what happened. And in some ways, it's a kind of funny thing about moving to Brooklyn, too, is that there's a lot of 20-somethings working, but also kind of chasing something that they're trying, something like some ambition. And they just kind of like to have fun and have some amount of free time and get together and go play baseball

or start a new band. So far, I like it quite a lot. I lived in Brooklyn as well. People say it's a lonely city, but I think it's inspiring to see everyone trying to chase that dream they have, even when they're having to do those double jobs but still enjoy

the city, like eat tuna sandwiches or fucking go to play baseball, you know what I'm saying? Scenes are different too, it's like, I was hanging out with some people in the fashion world and they were

just sort of saying something along how a lot of the folks are sort of... They find people to be kind of vapid and quick to turn on each other, neglect each other. And I don't know if that's just the case. I mean, I'm not trying to generalize. I don't really know that world at all. But I didn't really feel like I relate to that in the music world. I don't feel like it's competitive, really.

I feel like it's collaborative and people are stoked to see each other succeed and help each other out when you can. If your band starts to do really well, you get to pick your openers. You know what I mean? And bands did that for you. Brought you on shows Like Twin Peaks When they had their last album Released in Chicago They're like a huge band in Chicago

And they invited us to come open the show We're having Moonwalks From Detroit open our Upcoming musical Williamsburg show I feel like A lot of people stoked on each other And wanting to lift each other up And like

If you get success If you get some Then you share it as best you can And when other people get it Hopefully they share it with you And make different albums together Right Yeah and it's like

Also while you're working so hard Enjoying that process It's like we forget to enjoy the process Because we're fucking grinding it out so fucking hard You know Like how long You guys been doing this since 2012 You guys burnt out at all a little bit

Or like do you guys still have some Some gas in the tank for this new album release I don't feel burnt out Any more than like some gas in the tank for this new album release? Um, I don't feel burnt out. I, any more than like anyone that works in any industry feels like burnt out by their thing. Right.

Like my mind changes over time and like sometimes get like, I hit like stagnant periods. Then I, where I feel like, um, Oh, i'm not creative anymore i don't have good ideas anymore like i'm not you know what i mean like i hit like periods of like crystallization or like stagnation and then and then you feel kind of bad about yourself and then something happens and breaks it like i was playing i was playing

with a friend the other day uh from the band champion super chilling oh sick yeah they're sick his name's uh ben tremble if you have been in national called fly gold eagle but me and him and like the engineer from our last record matt horner were just together like in the studio like playing around and making some cool songs. And Ben's like, let's write a new song. I'm like, all right, cool. So I'm sitting at the piano.

Ben's got the bass guitar and Matt's on the drums. I start playing this thing that I had thought of before, kind of a half-thought-out idea, but I knew it was kind of a cool pattern and riff and stuff. So playing it in school. And then Matt's Matt's like yeah I remember we did that and Ben's like let's like not do something from memory like don't play something that you thought of earlier like let's make something brand new right now starting and then I felt like kind of trepidatious because it kind of touched that raw spot in me that's like, am I creative? I don't want to go on the radio and freestyle.

You know what I mean? I'm just going to look like it. And I'm creative on the spot. And in some ways, my subconscious thought is like, no. I'm creative in certain moments, and I can carry that into other moments and work on it but it was a cool thing to be like just sit with a couple dudes and like be kind of talking talking about like ideas and just thoughts and like conversations that we'd have kind of messing around the piano like a bit of a melody starts to

come and you're like that's a cool melody and then you like find the bass chords to it and then you got like chord pattern and then everyone's playing it and then there's a groove on it and you're like that's a cool melody and then you like find the bass chords to it and then you got like chord pattern and then everyone's playing it and then there's a groove on it and you're like that's pretty cool and then ben's like what if uh what what different like chords can we go to and to my mind like if you're in c this is getting nerdy maybe but to my mind if you're like playing a song in c you naturally think like well it can go to like a d like a d minor like an a minor like like F or a G. You know what I mean? You kind of think of like basic chords that attach to that,

which is what I normally would think. But then he's like, check, it's like E flat seven. And it's like, that's got kind of, that doesn't sound wrong. That's got an interesting ring to it. And then like doing that and messing with like different phrasings of course that i wouldn't think to go to then kind of like we started started like writing like different parts and like they connected in a cool way that like opened up melodies i wouldn't have thought to and going of course i wouldn't have thought to go to and because he's more musically trained than me but but even that's a simple thing to just go to a major a

seven or a minor and just see how it sounds and then try and see how they sound next to each other like and uh it was really cool we just and we just pulled a song out of nowhere and like two like by three in the morning we're all we're like recording it and like it was awesome and then i get home from that session just kind of like playing my guitar again and i felt like it felt unlocked to me in a way that i'm like yeah i don't have to i don't have to just mess around in the you know what i mean because i tend to pick up guitar and just play something that you've been thinking of or like right you go back to some idea that you had or like some song that you know but it i guess i guess

that's what i'm saying is i do feel like even this week like some period of stagnation like kind of cracked open from from getting just a glimpse into somebody else's musical mind being like that's a cool angle to see stuff from yeah totally and it totally. And you could take that with parallels to life. We're so used to just doing what we normally do that we're afraid to test ourselves. We just go in the same fucking echo,

the toilet bowl, everything we've learned from our life, right? Like quarterly, but yeah. And also just like, yes, I go to this store and I get this sandwich and then I go to that bar and I get that beer and shot special. And I like, you know, So how hard is it for you to wake up from, you know, kind of just walking through life like a zombie?

Well, I think, uh, life tends to be pretty eventful, I find. Right. Even not in always pleasant ways and not like the events are good, but the fact of things being eventful definitely keeps... I was working at the bar the other night. I spent five days up in the studio

working with my friends, making new music. It was just a killer time it was awesome and uh came back to new york and went you know drove straight into going into work at the bar and like i'm working and like not to get dark but like a dude had a i was the only one working and a dude had a fentanyl od in the bar yeah and it was it was fucking awful man it was like it was really freaky and like i didn't i didn't really know what to do and no one really knew what to do but i was like the only sober one and like the one working so like it's just freaky like and what'd you do did you call the cops like did he die or how'd you boss came and like he didn't really need cpr because he was still like shallowly breathing

and his heart was beating but like not everyone knew that or understood that i don't have any emergency training so it was kind of like just kind of freaky situation like a bunch of people like trying to give emergency cpr to a dude they didn't need it and don't know how to give cpr and going like real fast and i'm like i know i'm like i don't know anything but i know that it's supposed to be 120 bpm i know it's supposed to be like staying alive and then i'm like maybe i should put on staying alive on the thing so and then i'm like i'm sorry to laugh about that. That's an uncool thing to do. But they did.

They came. They Narcan'd him. They revived him and took him to the hospital. He's okay. Thankfully. Which makes the whole thing way better. I mean, infinitely better. And like less horrible. I think every bar should have Narcan. I think so, too.

I think that there's bars that that kind of thing is more expected. I think there's sort of seedier, junkier bars where they know to. And then the one I work at is not... I mean, not that you expect it anywhere,

but we really don't expect that. It's just like, not the vibe. Like, none of my friends do junk. Right. Yeah. But I think all I was getting at was that it's hard to be much of a zombie when, like, life is eventful. Right. And scare you and, like and freak you out or someone's

upset with you or breaks you hard or kind of constantly shocks. It's just constantly shocking that it's like you can't get into too much of a pattern really. What about the patterns when you're on the road driving for six hours?

How do you get out of those strolling through Instagrams or doing know doing marketing i just i put it i either i because i can get kind of addicted to like social media stuff too when you're just sitting there all day and you got nothing it's like they got this little entertainment thing and like if someone sends you dm or something or like you make a joke and someone likes it then that like feels kind of good and in the midst of like a long boring car ride right i'm the same way and you can slap enough times that you're doing like that you're just wasting in a way you're wasting your mind take away all those idle moments you're taking away you're taking away like a lot of your brain's ability to change and grow and make new connections. Right.

So I'll usually just delete the app or I'll set it where it only works on Wi-Fi. Oh, that's a good idea. Because I do like to share stuff. I do like to share what I'm doing or take a funny video of like alec dancing thing it's like in zone that'll like make people laugh and smile um but i don't like to i like to add stuff on it but i don't i don't like to like doom scroll and like fill my brain with it but i end up just doing that anyway sometimes so i feel like if you set it where it only works on wi-fi then you'll be on the bus and it'll stop for a second right and you'll go

reflexively to just pull it out and look at something and you'll realize that you can't because you're not on wi-fi right and so it's just like a little mental cue of like huh like i don't need to fill every idle moment with with like a piece of entertainment yeah so yeah it's so fascinating like why do we why do you think we do that why do we have to fill our time with so much you know is it distractions are we like not comfortable with the thoughts in our brains? What do you think it is? Yeah, I think it's just, I mean, I do like, not every day, but fairly often I'll do

like mindfulness meditations, like 10 minute, just like little guided practices. And every time I do, the first thing that I notice is that like I'm functioning out of this like almost like orb like the ego i guess like that's like orb of like thought and idea and like what's happening what's going on and the first thing i notice is that like that like orb of concepts and

thoughts and ideas and stuff it is something that I can be separate from. It's like, you know what I mean? It's something that I'm experiencing, but it's not the basic fact of my existence. And every time, just feeling that sense of like, oh, the head and the helmet are two different objects, that is always kind of like an experience of like... the head and the helmet are two different objects is like, it, that is always kind of like an experience of like,

Oh, like I don't, I don't, I don't have to simulate myself. I can like, or I can, or I can be just assimilated by like hearing whatever weird, like whirring sound that is like some kind of motor

like someone taking a shout like a car horn honking you can like you know i do this on airplanes close your eyes and like sort of like look into the you think that you can't see anything because you think it's just blackness but then when you start to look you start to see that it's not just blackness and that there is something visually going on and then you start to kind of like really look at it and watch it and uh it's interesting i mean yeah i don't know exactly where i'm going with it but i've been trying to do this airplanes where i like i haven't done it yet but but i want to i think that this is possible i think that it's possible to gain the ability to like you know like when you're like you've got your like dream

mind and you got like waking mind and like and and you can tell, you can tell there's moments, there's times where you're like caught between them in a way where you've been out for so long that you're so tired that like start to kind of hallucinate. And you can feel the dream brain like coming to the forefront during waking time. Or like the opposite, like maybe you have a lucid dream and you realize you're dreaming and then like the conscious mind is like there in the dream brain like whoa like i'm fucking dreaming right now this is nuts right so you so like those worlds mostly are like

the sun and moon like pretty separate from each other but sometimes like they can eclipse you know in in ways that are like really interesting and i think really i think something is really profound about it and i've been trying to do this thing particularly on airplanes where you just have to sit there and have nothing to do and like no cell service or nothing for a while is to like sit and like close your eyes and like calm yourself and kind of like do some of like the mindfulness, like remove the head from the helmet a little bit and try to, while maintaining just the smallest amount of consciousness, walk completely into a dream on purpose and like,

and get there, on purpose and get there walk into a lucid dream on purpose and just step into this and I've gotten close, sometimes I get almost there and then I fall asleep and then I realize I'm falling asleep

and I wake up and I'm like shut so I haven't done this but I think that it's something that can be done with enough focus what do you think it is? Like quantum reality? No, I think it's just deep focus Yeah

That would cause you to be able to do it Yeah No, I think it's just sort of like the subjective Like Experience of your own Subconscious meanderings Basically Physically what's happening is different experience of your own like subconscious meanderings basically just like as like those

like physically what's happening is like different like neural pathways are like connecting and like running through like existing pathways and like forming like new ones and some are deep and some shallow and like that's what's physically happening but the experience of being the person who that's whose brain that's happening in might look like I was in an apartment but it wasn't my apartment and my mom walked in and she told me that the cat had died and I don't

even have a cat, but in that moment I was really sad. You know what I mean? What about the reverse? Have you ever been dreaming something and then it's happening? It happens? Say even your dreams. Say you've always wanted to be in a tour bus or you always wanted to play this room

and you're dreaming about it. And then it happens. It's kind of like the reverse effect of walking into the dream. I feel like there's times where... I think that's just deja vu, right? Where like, I don't remember. I didn't like write down the dream that had happened.

I don't remember the dream, but there'll be moments that happen where you're like, I swear I dreamed this. But you're like, did I? Right. Did I? Did I dream this? Yeah. Or. I hear that.

What about... I was up on the other day, and, like, this is kind of an interesting concept that, like, I've been thinking about, especially when I get, like, really wasted. I think about it a lot. At least I don't get that wasted often, but if I'm, like, really drunk, I just started thinking,'m like if you i mean if you start with like like the idea of regret like if you andy put yourself back in situation like even just yesterday or or any i mean really any situation it doesn't matter and the way that you behaved and reacted and responded. Sometimes like maybe you can feel regretful about it.

Maybe sometimes you're like, I didn't handle that well. That was not graceful. I wasn't kind. Like I wasn't right. But the truth is, if you put yourself back in that situation again, and everything was the same, and you felt all the same things and knew all the same things,

you don't get future knowledge. You get right back in there and reality is exactly the way it was then the exact same thing is going to play out every time you know what i mean right reset to be exactly the same the outcome will be the exact same right there's you know what i mean right if you if you agree if you can accept that notion and then you just fast forward it to the present moment this not imply that all of us are just sort of experiencing like a vastly complicated physical chemical reaction that we don't know nearly all the rules to and maybe a person doesn't really have any free will at all like in the now we're getting

somewhere liberal free will you know what i mean so what like it says like a it's like a stimulation like basically if we don't learn the law knowledge then we're just gonna keep repeating the same trauma the same the same not even to mind, it's not even a lesson. And there's no lesson to be... There's not really a lesson or like a, then we should do this, then we should do that. It's sort of just like, is that just the reality? Whether you want...

And I think that often it's really like, why would you want to think that way? Why would you want to think that way like why would you why would you want to why would you want to like take away your idea free will and i'm like it's not even about wanting to or what's the best way to think or what you know what fallacy leads a person to the happiest experience or something it's just like is that the reality is that just what's happening? Whether you subjectively like it or not. Is that what it is? Let's give an example. Let's talk about the music industry. When you were first starting

the music industry, you didn't really have the knowledge of what the music industry was versus now where you've been in the music industry for 10 years. What is the difference of how your brain reacts to the music industry versus when you were younger versus now i think that certainly when i was younger i thought that like when you came in contact with certain figures like and everyone there's so many people that purport to be powerful right and you like you know what i mean yeah yeah in asheville that's like i'm gonna put you guys and you're just like dude like this is gonna be huge and then like as time goes on you're like that guy did shit man that guy like like you know what i mean yeah i keep books

i've sold rooms in like a 200 cap room but like so like i feel like early on you're like yeah managers come to our show. Like, whoa. I think there's so many people that purport to have much greater power than they actually do. And when you're young, you believe it. Right. But you're like, man, this guy, he's younger than me. You know what I mean? You start to realize, I think, that more than anything, it's just your own hard work and perseverance and consistency that brings anything. There are people that at moments sort of unlock doors, but nobody's going to Albert Grossman you.

Yeah. Fucking Bob Dylan, you know. Were you happier when you first started your career versus now or vice versa? I think that I'm happy. I mean, like, it's funny because there's like two things about it. It's like the conditions and like the, like, what are the conditions of your life versus, like, how am I behaving in it? Yeah. Hold on.

Repeat that again. I want to try to understand that. You know, like, what are the conditions in my life? Like, how old am I? Am I in good health? Like, does somebody love me like am i in love do i have a bunch of roommates that are annoying like all like these like you know kind of external like circumstances in your life like you can sort of measure those against each other

but i'm starting to clue on to like the far more like the far i mean the far like truer measure of happiness is like, how am I, how am I handling things? Cause like, there's, I think, I mean, I was thinking about,

I watched the Amy Winehouse documentary, uh, pretty recently. And like, she wins like three Grammys and she's got, and there's this like big Grammy party and everyone's all partying. She's with like a childhood friend. And her friend's like,

Amy, like you just won. Like you just want to go in for like best in home.. She's with, like, a childhood friend. And her friend's like, Amy, like, you just won. Like, you just won a game for, like, best in the home. And she's, like, and she's, like, sober at that point. And she just goes, without the drugs, it's just so fucking boring. And, like, and I think, I mean, that's just sad and dark. sad and dark but it does it does clue on to the reality that like um i don't i don't think that like joy and happiness in life is a direct is directly correlative to like success yeah or just their circumstances in general right i think there's circumstances that it's hard to be happy in right there's ones

that you'd think would be easy and it's just not and so it really just kind of feel like has to do a lot more with like you and what you're what you're filling your brain with every day and what you're what the quality of your thoughts is like and like right how you're treating it how you're treating people around you and like is, I think, far more indicative of somebody's happiness than whether they're even being celebrated. It's kind of the idea of how hard is it to love ourselves? How hard is it to love yourself, Pat? Well, you got so many selves, you know

Some I like I like this, explain that Yeah, you're right about this You do have so many selves How many selves do you have? I don't know I mean I don't know if there's really a number

But like Maybe six Go through all of them Give me all six of Pat's I don't know if there's really a number, but like, maybe six. Go through all of them. Give me all six of Pat's. I don't know. I don't know if that's really the way I think about it either, but there's like modes

of behavior. You'll find yourself, it's like someone might be like, oh, Andy's a generous guy, or andy's a generous guy or like andy's a selfish guy yeah and like you know that it you know that at times you you're in a mode of selfishness or a mode of generosity right you know what i mean right 100 and like you're not really truly either thing like you're not like oh you know what i mean you're not really truly either thing. Like you're not like, Oh, you know what I mean? You're not like,

neither of those are just like permanent traits to you. They're just kind of different modes of behavior that you get into at different times. Yeah. And, uh, do we get to pick those modes of behavior or do they just come? I feel like they,

I feel like they just come and that you can like, like, I mean, there's times where like, I'll admit, you know, and it's like, it doesn't make me feel good. But like, I'll admit that like, there are times where like, I'll see somebody like experience some great success, even a friend. And like, my involuntary mental reaction will be some kind of jealousy. Right. I get that way too sometimes. Yeah. I mean, if you're mindful, you don't act it out and you don't be addicted. But it still gets there in your brain.

And you're like, like why This is my friend Why would my friend's Success cause a negative reaction To me like what does that say about me And I think that I think that Like in that moment You kind of catch yourself and you just like watch

That reaction occur and you just go like That wasn't voluntary like i didn't choose to feel that way that just bubbled up and it's not my fault and like i'm bad for it but i'm good if i can let that happen sort of like react not act on it and kind of bubble out right and out. And then be a graceful person after that. Right. Do you think it's trauma from your past? No, I feel like everyone, especially in the music world, you know everyone wants to be successful. So it is competitive.

In a certain way, but it's like it's not against anybody. It's just like for you. And sometimes like someone else does really well and you feel like you might be like, man, they didn't work as hard as me or like they haven't been doing this for as long as me or like

got that because like because all like some fashion shit or you know what i mean you can get all i think they just call that being jaded and it's it's uh when we all get we all get spurts of it we all get those spurts of it but it is it is possible and it is healthy and best to let that happen. Don't judge yourself for it. It's okay. You're just a fucking primate.

You know what I mean? You're just a hairless ape trying to become popular, basically. Yeah. And don't expect, And don't expect, don't, you know, don't expect, maybe just don't expect yourself to be like the Buddha or something because like, you're just unenlightened. I mean, I'm unenlightened. And like, why would I, you know, at what point do monkeys just become like godlike serene beings? I look around, I'm like, it doesn't seem to be going that direction no no no no no no definitely not definitely not bad what about like the same philosophy

but going into a new record so you put out a new record so like you had great success on your last record and how do you take the philosophy out of like this has to be better you know this has you know like the same idea that you're talking about but put it in your art so like when you're making your new art like let's say like when you're making this new record how do you like not tell yourself that this has to be better than the other one just actually just make art that you love you know well it's sort of like i think that there's a lot of things that lead you. I mean, just like metaphorically, there's a lot of things that can lead you to the door of like the temple or like the door of the studio or like. It's maybe like there's all kinds of things that lead you.

There's like inspiration from others, like maybe some kind of like childhood thing of like not enough attention. You want it. And like maybe a feeling of like, OK, like not enough attention you want it and like maybe a feeling of like okay we gotta make this next record maybe you want money or like whatever it may be there are all these things that lead you to the door of the place but the only way to walk through it is to shed all those things you know what i mean you don't forget that that that like these like random influences are what bring you there but i think the only way to get through to actually walk through and do something is to shed all that and just get down to like this the experience of like collaborating and writing and making music which is just its own thing that has nothing to do really with anything else right but once you're there and you've got

like the beginnings of like a chord pattern or something and you try them a few instruments and like, oh, that actually on the whirly would be cool. Like, let's do that one with the world. So it'd be kind of the main piece on that one. And like, then like a jangly guitar. And then it's like, okay, so it's going to be like jangly that fits the chords. And then like got the melody and you just kind of like write to the song and you just do the song and just oh but it kind of could use like some harsh lower element like what if it was like

a buzzy baritone guitar with like a bunch of reverb on it you know what i mean that's cool and then so you just kind of write to the song and just like play to the song and then like i think if you do that well then like cool like they've got that song in that recording and you just to my to my method just treat each song that way like its own like its own thing and then sometimes over the course because you're making them all like next to each other in the studio at the same time with the same people that like they'll naturally kind of reference each other where you're at the same time with the same people that like they'll naturally kind of reference each other where you're like oh you know how we did live drums on that one and

then we're like like the 808 sample on the kick and snare like that was cool i feel like that would work again on this one you know what i mean so i feel like then the album kind of like naturally forms some cohesion about it. But yeah, when you're just making a song and recording a song, you're like, is this going to be well-received? Is this going to be successful?

Is this going to play in fucking Chipotle? Yeah, exactly. What do you like better, the art of creating or the art of performing what you created um i probably get more joy out of the creation part uh-huh but but part of the creation part i always am imagining performing it too like especially if i'm like i mean you know it's just a funny like little fan it's like when you're a kid you get like a little souvenir baseball bat and you're just like

like very the whole run the bottom of the night it's kind of like fantasizing and i do the same thing like when we're like recording and like writing i'm like yeah i want to fucking sit you know what i mean like oh man we do that live and like that kicks in like it's gonna be sick so there is there i feel like i wouldn't really want to trade either way now completely though you can get lopsided where you're just like man we're just performing too much and writing too little but yeah um yeah i think that part of the creation is like the excitement and fantasizing of of like performing it because that does that is like it's fun man yeah exactly and that's why it's like so it the idea of like making a record and having it wait a year and a half to get released is like so fucking weird to

me because like i didn't want the fucking i this i'm pumped up about the music now i have to wait a year For the label to sign it I'm like fuck all this bullshit You know what I'm saying You look at like the Beatles or the Stones Or Zappone or like Or Creedence and it's like

These guys are making two or three albums a year And playing it fresh Exactly I don't really understand how they were able to do it Faster than with like all fucking analog technology and vinyl and stuff or yeah like maybe it's that labels if they sign you the three album deal they're like well maybe three albums can be seven years right and then like we collect our fucking royalties for seven years instead of two maybe that's not exactly sure but um

but it's bullshit right you hear me on this hell out of me and you get older you know every year and like yeah yeah yeah and maybe your lyrics aren't maybe like you've grown in that year and a half you know like maybe what you wrote about a year and a half ago. And I'll say, I think that good rock and roll requires a little bit of ignorance. You gotta be ignorant if you want to, like, play rock and roll well, and especially, like, write lyrics.

Exactly. I agree. That's the real danger of aging, is accidentally becoming, like Losing your ignorance Let's talk about that You're spot on about this I was trying to say this when you were talking about You know

When it's new When you're ignorant Maybe ignorance makes us happy Because we're not overthinking Life Or thinking that these lyrics seem to make perfect sense. They need to say big or like, it's like,

maybe they don't always. It's like, I mean, I love like Tommy James and the Shondells. It's my favorite, my favorite fucking bands. And like half of the songs, like my baby does the Hank and Hank.

Or just like, it's just nonsense. It's's basically but i like it so much and it and it makes me so happy and you can put it on at a fucking party even in 2023 yeah and people dance people i mean i'm djs and that's people dance the hanky panky yeah i know that's and that isn't that is having an effect in a good way, in a joyous way. I think it's probably more than a heady

philosophizing. And yeah, we try to get heady and philosophize sometimes. I do, you know. Yeah, we're overthinking this shit, dude. It's nice to overthink, like we gotta fucking tone it down

here I was listening yesterday to this podcast Rick Rubin was talking to David Byrne and Malcolm Gladwell too and Malcolm Gladwell being like the non-musical of the three was like he's like do you think that it's true that like

a lyricist always over-expects how much people are going to read into the subtleties of their lyrics? It's absolutely true. You know what I mean? And that is the truth.

And I think that probably I mean, there's just these little tips and pieces of advice and realization that kind of like push you around a little bit but i think to my mind i feel i feel myself kind of moving a little bit more in a direction of like of yeah of being a little more ignorant Right I hear you, bro I'm on the same path, bro Your song, Chevrolet Van Has gotten me through so many fucking tough times, bro

Like, when I've been in the road I'm on show 240 You know, the end of the year I'm in the fucking van And I'm like, I put on that song I realize that I'm not alone in this fucking fight. You know what I'm saying? And that's the...

I love that. And that's how I listen to ACDC Long Way to the Top. And that's like, ACDC came out the gate like a fucking rapper of just like rocking about rocking. Right, exactly. I love that shit.

Yeah, me too, bro too bro first song first album rapping about how good they are rapping and you're just like fucking hey dude like that's like and then subject number one and i feel like that's like acbc it's just like yeah you're having to a show and you're just like fucking song number one we're just rocking about rocking i love it man i'm a big fan of you, Pat, man. I'm going to keep on rooting for you, bro. You're the shit, bro. We got to hang out.

Talk to you, man. Yeah, we got to do this again because I know we're running out of time. But you put out a new record, right? Yeah, the new party ride's on. Yeah, and I love... Dude, it's getting great buzz, man. I saw you posted your charts of everything that's happening in the last couple months. It's like, let's fucking go, boys.

Dude, it has been doing, like, it's been doing really well. And I'm really fucking, I'm pretty stoked. I'm pretty stoked. Because the last one I'm not going to lie, it was a little bit of, like, we put it out in, like, the middle of COVID. And it was, like, kind of flopped, you know? And, like, I think it was good. But the timing was terrible. It's like competing with like huge social movements that were way more

important than the opposite. It feels, it's doing well. It's well-received and I got to tell you, I'm happy about that. It feels really good. You know, it's going back to Descends, like bombing keeps you humble. You know, it's okay to bomb, you you know it's going back to descends like bombing keeps you humble you know it's okay to bomb you know it's like it's makes you want to work harder for that next one you know it's like it was timing too like i i was i'm friends with the guy that used to be in a rap rock group like or like a new metal group in like the in like 2000 you know what i mean like kind of like limp biscuit world Of like Probably too ignorant

I mean certainly too ignorant I'm not going to get ever that ignorant Where I'm like Pimpin's hard I'm like what the fuck are you talking about But he said something He was like man we would have been something Except 9-11 And maybe that's not

Maybe I'm like Oh that album would have been great Except Pandemic Is it? You know Everyone's gonna make excuses for everything Yeah

We gotta keep going I know that tuna sandwich is getting lukewarm So go enjoy your sandwich buddy You know to be honest I toasted the bread so the bread was hot And I'm fine with it cooling down Because I want the whole thing lukewarm Well keep fighting The good fight big dog

We're playing a couple festivals together this summer So let's get a hang in Have a beer and really get to know each other Because like I said, Pat, I'm a really big fan of your band. I think you're doing honest rock and roll, and I think you guys do it with a smile on your face, and I'm a fan of that, so

give it a shit, bro. Enjoy the tuna sandwich, and I'll see you soon, buddy. Later, buddy. I love it. You tuned in to the WorldS Saving Podcast with Andy Fresco. Thank you for listening to this episode. Produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Angelo and Chris Lawrence. We need you to help us save the world and spread the word.

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