Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 236: Logan Rex (Artikal Sound System)
Episode Date: September 12, 2023Can you feel it? A certain je ne sais quoi is in the air... It's time for Ahri Findling to reveal just how really feels about Larry David. Andy & Nick talk their usual game and you know what? It's a...lways a pleasure to eaves drop on these ding-dongs. But! We got Logan Rex from Artikal Sound System on the Interview Hour, and boy howdy it gets SPICY. We're talking about the trials & tribulations of being a woman on the road with some men and the politics of p00ping. You'll love it, I promise it. That's a World Saving GUARANTEE. Watch this episode streaming now!! Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us how you really feel: (720) 996-2403 Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker Ahri Findling
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got a billion dollars. He's bald. He's got glasses. He's not classically hot, okay? He's
really not hot at all, but he's funny. And that's what people don't understand. They underestimate
how attractive humor is, okay? And you know that when I would suck his or,
uh,
you know,
he'd probably say that was pretty,
pretty,
pretty,
pretty good.
All right.
This has been the first edition of who I'd go gay for Larry David.
I love you.
And we're back.
Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast.
I'm Andy Frasco.
This is my co-host.
Feels very informal right now for some reason.
You know what I'm talking about?
I know. I got my co-host, one of my best friends.
He is my best friend.
Top 30.
You are one of my best friends.
Every day you have a new best friend.
Nick Gerlach.
Welcome back.
He's one of my besties too.
By the definition of the term OG,
there's a picture of you guys in sixth grade.
Just vibing.
You're a foot and a half taller than him.
Beacon of sports.
I went to my first Phish concert.
It does feel like sports a little bit.
It felt like I was
in college and everyone's
tailgating, but instead of
natty nights, they're just
ripping a shit ton of nitrous.
There was a lot. I feel like nitrous
has gotten more prevalent.
Dude, I didn't understand.
There was like 100 people selling
nitrous tanks at the lot.
It's turning into the drug of choice and it's weird.
I did it for two days straight and the last two days,
like the two days of recovery,
I was so...
That food grade Arby's?
Yeah, that food...
You can get this shit from the back of Arby's.
I get my gas from the back of Arby's.
That's the biggest headache.
I felt so stupid.
I'm like, I'm...
You gotta do the
dentist stuff how do you get the dentist stuff you gotta know a dentist gotta know
anyway but back to fish um back to fish um we took todd glass yeah he looked didn't like he
seemed like he liked it that much he wasn't into it that's fine he likes paul anka you know what
i mean like like it's not for it's funny cause they're like his age.
Right.
So I think it's not really like,
it's just like,
it's not like he's too old for it.
We were all like planning.
All right,
we're going to take some mushrooms.
We're going to get there and see the vibe.
Then I think he just got overwhelmed.
There's like 20,000 people.
It's just not his style of music.
He's the comedians don't like jams that much,
or they really love it.
But like,
it's just like they,
cause like it makes sense. Cause of what they write, they don't jam reallyams that much or they really love it. But like, it's just like, they, because like,
it makes sense
because of what they write.
They don't jam really.
Really good stand-up comedians.
It looks like they're jamming
if they're good at it,
but like everything's very thought out
and prepared.
And that's what they like.
That's why I like a lot of country music
or a lot of comedians,
I think,
are like into country music.
Right.
It's kind of like writing,
you know.
But that's fine.
Like everybody can like their thing,
you know what I mean?
Right. I think Vinny was having a good time I thought it was fun
The lights are insane
That's what I was going to say
The whole process
The whole business side
It was a well-oiled machine
From ticketing
We got the tickets
Shout out to Mike Gordon
Thanks for letting us in
I really appreciate it.
Thanks, Mike.
Thanks, Mike.
We got, when we got the tickets, it was from Phish.
It wasn't from Ticketmaster.
I mean, everything is like a self-sufficient machine.
They have their own, they all, they make their own t-shirts.
You can make a solid argument.
They're the most like impressive business in the music industry.
It's pretty impressive.
What they've done and how much money they keep in-house.
Someone told me this.
I don't know for sure.
They make all their own merch.
They have their own merch company.
Imagine how much money they save.
Everything is their employee.
Which means their employees probably get treated better.
Which means everyone's happier.
Which means you get a better product. Which means yada, yada, yada.
I told Schwartz, we're taking out the middleman.
We're doing the fish model.
He didn't like that because he's
a manager. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, chill, chill, chill.
You guys don't have enough money to do that yet.
Yeah, that's what he said. You're not there yet, Frasco.
It takes money to do that. I'm like, I want to start my own
ticketing company. I want to have my own merch company.
No, you don't need your own ticketing company.
That's the last thing you need is live nation.
Maddie,
you're not famous enough for live nation to be mad at you.
I built this excommunicated.
Okay.
Career over.
Have fun in real estate,
bitch.
But it was fun.
You know,
I was like,
I,
it's not my thing.
It's not necessarily my thing either,
but sometimes it is.
It depends on like,
there's so many like fish is like there. It's like one of those things where it's like they my thing either, but sometimes it is. It depends. There's so many, like, Phish is like, it's like one of those things where it's like,
they can play everything, which can be a blessing and a curse.
You know what I mean?
Of course, everyone, all the heady, heady Phish fans are like, oh man, you went Thursday,
man.
They really killed it on Friday and Saturday.
Yeah, yeah.
Which they might be right.
I mean, you're not going to be the same quality every night.
Right.
I thought they were fine, though. For me, everything just depends on what Phishman's doing on drums. Oh, which they might be right. I mean, you're not going to be the same quality every night. Right. I thought they were
fine, though. For me, everything just depends on what
Fishman's doing on drums. Oh, yeah. Not that it's bad.
It's just like a choice. It's like when he's
banging like a nice backbeat, I definitely like it more
than when it's like free jazz. But I like a little free jazz
too. The light show was amazing.
It sounded unbelievable.
The mix is incredible. I can't believe that
four guys can have that much power.
We don't give enough credit to
fucking sound guys. Shout out to sound guys
because like, Jason,
we love you. To be fair, that
all starts with the band though. We don't give
enough credit to the shit in, shit out, bro.
True, true, true. Yeah, but no, you're right though. And that's hard
to, gotta be hard to mix. It's not
like a music venue. Yeah, and like having only
a four-piece band to play for
20,000 people was pretty neat. Shout out to them just like putting on a four-hour, three-hour venue. Yeah, and like having only a four-piece band to play for 20,000 people was pretty...
Shout out to them
just like putting on
a four-hour,
three-hour show.
Yeah.
Four nights in a row.
Yeah, true.
A lot.
Also,
shout out to the fans.
And shout out,
we've got a quiz.
No,
shout out to the fans.
You know like,
you know when you go to a show
and it's like a lot of dancey show
and you could smell the BO
and you could tell
what type of...
It wasn't that bad.
Oh God. It wasn't bad. It was bad, but it was like a rich BO dances show and you could smell the B.O. and you could tell what type of... Oh, God.
It wasn't bad.
It was bad,
but it was like a rich B.O.
You know, like rich people B.O.?
It's like difference in crusty B.O.?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not even patchouli.
It's like, you know,
like when you go to the dentist's office
and he's like working hard on your teeth
for like an hour and a half.
He starts sweating.
He starts smelling his B.O.
In their defense,
it was like 95 degrees out all day and shit.
I don't think you're hearing me out here.
Everyone B.O.'s. I'm saying there's a crusty B.O like 95 degrees out all day and shit. I don't think you're hearing me out here. Everyone BOs.
I'm saying there's a crusty BO.
Like if you go to a disco biscuit show
or if you go to like a reggae show,
it's a little bit crustier smelling.
Yeah, like when you go to like a Whites for a Panic show
or what Pigeon's playing ping pong.
Yeah.
I wonder if the BO scent in our fan base,
because it's just all alcohol.
They're just sweating out all the alcohol.
But I did respect it
because it was a really
clean BO.
Yeah, like they've been just outside all day.
Yeah, they're just like doctors
and lawyers and they take care of themselves.
You start seeing rich people sweat differently?
What I'm saying is they're just
well kept.
I've never had BO in my life It's a rich fan base
I guess
I met a lot of doctors
I met a lot
It's also
Well it's just so big
That it's got everything
Right
There's poor people there
Of course
Who do you think those people
Laying on the ground
Selling nitrous balloons were
You think they're
They weren't at the show
You think they're in finance Andy
They're just
They're making money off the doctors
Yeah but they're still in the fan base
True
Just cause you can't get in doesn't mean you're not a fan
Respect so shout out to everyone who has Crested B.O. as well
We're here for you
We don't segregate B.O.
Do you ever get B.O.?
Yeah
But I keep clean
I don't smell that bad
Sometimes my breath smells because I smoke so much cigarettes
But I try to keep my body clean
Julie says I've never smelled bad in the 10 years we've been together Really? because I smoke so much cigarettes. Yeah. But I try to keep my body clean.
Julie says I've never smelled bad in like the 10 years we've been together.
Really?
It's like her thing.
She always says that.
Oh.
I shower every day.
You shower?
No matter what.
Really?
Usually right when I get up.
Sometimes I don't shower.
I have to.
It's like I can't do stuff
unless I shower sometimes.
If I don't have the right conditioner or shampoo.
I could never do trivia without showering first.
It's just like I can't think right
Really?
Yeah, or like on stage in general
Sometimes I like when we have an all night drive
And we have a show the next day, an early show
I'll just let it ride
It feels like I earned it
There's something to that
The road's a little different
Because you're like in Vietnam or whatever
You know what I mean?
But yeah, Fish was tight.
I kind of wish I would have won it.
Maybe one of the other nights too.
And they get the merch money.
But I'm glad I saw it.
And I'm glad like,
I understand why people fucking go ape shit crazy.
They care.
It is a great show.
They really care.
It's just not my thing.
Yeah, it's fine.
That's for sure.
Yeah, actually.
But speaking of fan bases,
we have a reggae band in the in the
scene logan rex is on the show this week she was very not forthcoming she she was nervous she's
because i mean we know her so well that she thought we're gonna just like blast her on our
podcast but we're not we love her no i like her actually she likes me more than you i think you
know oh yeah logan rex she um she's the singer on everything bagel but she's an amazing band called article sound system she's on the recording of everything bag Rex, she's the singer on Everything Bagel, but she's in an amazing band called
Article Sound System. Oh, she's on the recording of Everything
Bagel. Yeah, she's the girl singer. Okay.
I haven't listened to it yet. Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
I come out to all your fucking...
I go out to all your trivia. I do everything
to support you. Yep.
And you don't do shit for me.
I don't do anything for you.
I'm going to remember that next time I'm drafting your fantasy football team.
No, you really helped me.
I was so nervous.
I'm so calm in drafts.
You are. You're prepared.
I just know.
You're prepared.
I don't really get excited in general, so it's fun to have me in there.
Have you ever been excited in your life?
Yeah.
Like what?
What's the most excitement you've ever had in your life? Yeah. Like what? What's like the most excitement you ever had in your life?
Oh, maybe when the guy from Smash Mouth
died or... I'm just kidding.
I just heard about that. I'm just kidding. He did die though.
How?
Liver. Liver failure?
No, that's like the official thing.
Didn't he like go ape shit?
Yeah, he was like doing nasty salutes at like
a fucking kids festival last year.
We can make fun of him.
I don't like anyone to die.
I'm not wishing death on anyone, but don't do Nazi salutes at your fucking show.
Yeah, and it wasn't like the Grand Rapids Day Fest.
It wasn't like, you know what I mean?
Not that it's better if you do it in your club show, but it's a little different.
There's eight-year-olds there.
I thought he did Sturgis, too.
Yeah. I'm not going to make fun of Sturgis. Man, a lot of people... Yeah,-year-olds there. I thought he did Sturgis, too. Yeah.
I'm not going to make fun of Sturgis. Man, a lot of people...
Yeah, don't fuck with that. I'm too scared of those people. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to the
Hells Angels. Sturgis seems awesome, man.
Actually looks like a
really cool town with good people up there.
My dad was
so sad when Jimmy died. Really? Oh, your dad's
a boomer. They love... Why do boomers
love... He's like the boomer
dream, actually. It's the idea of the American dream for the boomer they love why do boomers love he's like the boomer like dream actually it's the i
it's the idea of the american dream for the boomer all right but he is like the ultimate boomer white
guy like that's him i mean think about it it'd be tight to live songs about nothing cheeseburgers
yeah it's basically about nothing you know what i mean no i mean pirate turns 40 is about
growing old i know but you know what i mean like it's not... You know what I'm saying. The music's pretty...
It's pretty much easy listening, right?
Yeah, it's sweet. The guy... And then he's like,
I'm going to open a restaurant. He's a billionaire, too.
He's an investing billionaire.
Flying his plane around. He's like every boomer white guy's
dream, basically, is to be him.
It's my dream, too. I'm not making fun of him. I'm just saying.
You sound a little judgy.
Yeah, well, maybe.
A little judgy. It's a podcast. I feel like
Todd, if we called Todd right now, he'd be pissed.
I'm allowed to have an opinion.
I don't have to think
he's the best ever. I mean, the music
isn't exactly... True. I mean, that's
how I feel about Phish. I mean, it's cool.
Exactly. But, you know, it's like...
I don't know. They're more like the Gen X dream
though, I guess. What's the Gen X dream?
The 50s, you know, people in their 50s.
What's their dream?
Just being like,
not be famous,
but be rich.
Oh,
like,
like you don't want to be cool.
They want to be cool.
Gen X thinks they're cool still.
Yeah.
But they're not.
They're like 50s
and they're 50s
with like two kids in high school.
But they like still think they're cool
because like Nirvana was popular
when they were in high school.
While we're stereotyping generations,
what about millennials?
What's their dream?
Corniest.
They're the corniest generation.
Why?
You think I'm corny?
Yes, for sure.
And also, just millennials in general are just corny as fuck.
Yeah, I love that.
Everything they make is corny.
All their little dog videos where they talk over it and do the voice
and just writing songs about their dogs.
You know what I'm saying?
Live your bliss.
Gen Z, we'll see.
They're still too young to judge.
You got to wait until people are in their...
The younger generations are getting cooler.
They're not really like...
They're getting cooler,
but they're still just as much a trash
as any other generation.
Jesus Christ.
Get on TikTok and read the comments.
They got tons of people that are just like...
By who?
Gen...
Yeah, just like...
There's just as many weirdos
and religious freaks
and racists in that generation.
Who do you think raised them?
Every generation's bad. God. Do you think raised them? Every generation's bad.
God.
Do you have any hope?
Do you have any hope for the future?
Okay,
I'm not saying every generation's bad. Let me put it this way.
There's not going to be some good
generation that comes on
that's all of a sudden way better than every other
generation before them and changes the world.
It's going to be a slow process.
Yes, when the aliens start going public.
Here comes the aliens.
I'm telling you.
When the aliens come.
Gen X kind of gets funny, though, because they kind of get in the past.
Because everybody makes fun of boomers and the older than them, like Biden, you know?
Yeah.
And you don't really hear people dogging on Gen X yet.
And it's maybe because
They didn't ruin everything like the boomers did
Like financially
Boomers ruined the economy for everyone after them
Who's more obnoxious Gen X or millennials?
Oh millennials for sure
Are you Gen X or millennials?
I think I'm like a late millennial
You're a millennial
I'm barely a millennial
But I know a lot of Gen X people
And a lot of them definitely think
they're grunge and cool still
but it's like no you are at Discovery Zone
you're at a Chuck E. Cheese birthday party
okay dude
by the way we had Fish fans rent the house
I'll tell you this story
in a second
it's amazing
they found out it was my house and they Instagrammed me I'll tell you this story in a second. It's too dark? No, no. It's amazing. Okay, okay. They invited me.
They found out it was my house and they Instagram me.
Hey, I'm renting your house right now on Airbnb.
Do you want to come over and party?
And I came over by myself at like 1 a.m.
and partied with them and ripped some nitrous.
I fell asleep on the couch.
It was like my couch.
You crashed a party at your own house?
Yes, I did.
Maybe you need rehab.
They were cool.
They were like nice fish fans.
They were like, this is my 60th show.
They were like super rich people.
I'm like, this is fucking awesome.
And then I did too much nitrous
and I fished out and I fell asleep
for a couple minutes.
What night was this?
Thursday, the only show I went to.
That's cool.
Yeah.
When Todd said he was done for the night.
Where were you supposed to stay that night?
I got a hotel.
Oh, okay.
Like right next to my house.
But, you know, I was like, I'm still kind of like high on these mushrooms.
We were at the car bar.
Did you stay for the whole fish show?
What?
Did you stay for the whole fish show?
I think we left like halfway through second section.
Yeah, no, you definitely didn't leave right at separate
because that's kind of when I walked off.
Yeah, because we hung out.
I tried to bring Todd to the pit, like quick to the pit.
All of a sudden, people started swarming us.
Yeah.
And he got overwhelmed, so we bailed.
Yeah.
We bailed to the back.
We smoked a joint like on the top next to like the cheeseburgers
and the pretzels and shit because he likes his food.
He loves to eat.
That dude. He loves to eat. Every 20 minutes, he's like,
what are we going to eat? It's interesting.
Philadelphia guys.
Shout out to everyone who came out to the...
We'll do our dialed in plug soon.
Shout out to everyone who came to the podcast.
Live podcast.
Yeah, we did that.
That was fucking crushed.
Yeah, we're going to do it again, right?
We're doing it again, I think in Atlanta.
What venue?
I don't know yet.
Maybe Eddie's Attic or like City Winery.
I don't know any of the small venues there.
We're debating where we do our next live podcast.
So if you guys have any ideas, I'm thinking either Chicago, New York.
Chicago would be fun.
Atlanta or Philly or Buffalo.
Buffalo would fuck. I don't know about New York City, honestly. fun. Atlanta or Philly or Buffalo. Buffalo would fuck.
I don't know about New York City, honestly.
I think that's too convoluted.
What if we did it at Garcia's, the Cap Theater?
That's different.
That's not New York City, though, is it?
That's like Westchester or something.
That could be cool.
Yeah.
So thank you, everyone, for coming out.
That was fun.
Our guests were good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was awesome.
It was beautiful.
So shout out to the podcast.
Shout out to Dialed and Gummies we sold a lot of tickets
we sold a shit ton of tickets
and uh
you guys would shit your pants
if you know what I got paid
to do that
I'm just kidding
let's go
isn't it crazy
we're getting paid
to like just talk to people
on stage now
it's not crazy at all
I feel like
I'm finally reaching
my form
before I should be.
In fact,
I should be getting,
we're in our prime right now.
No,
we're not even close to our prime,
dude.
Really?
Our prime's coming.
We got potential.
We still got some growing potential.
We don't even,
we haven't even started to be a real beef yet.
I know.
With a podcast?
Just a band.
We got to piss someone off.
Yeah,
we will.
But I do love dialed in gummies.
So grab yourself some dialed in gummies. Like I was saying,
this is the best time to be
in Denver. It's fall.
The weather's perfect. The Red Rock
shows are just like a little crypt,
so you can wear like a sweatshirt.
And I just love it. So go get your
ass to Denver. And while
you're in Denver, go grab some dialed-in gummies.
They're the best gummies, edibles,
and they have the liquid edible.
They're priced to move, people.
Yes. And I think all of our
gummies are all sold out, both of ours.
Really? Yep. So shout out to everyone.
Cherry Limeade.
Great Mango.
We're running for Indianapolis.
Might have to make another run on them bitches.
Fuck yeah, we are.
And then shout out to volume.com
for letting us do live streams.
Hell yeah.
Letting us do live streams.
They're like front of the bill
so we can talk shit in front of people.
We should do like an in-studio live stream too,
I think, someday.
I was thinking we'd do that in Atlanta
because that's where Ben lives.
Oh yeah.
His studio's there.
Or we could do it here too.
Or we could do it here.
We could do that whenever we want.
There's no limit on how many of those.
It'd be cool to be like Funhouse style.
If it makes money, we'll just do it a bunch all the time.
I love it.
Volume.com.
The best. They are giving out grants.
It is a live stream
network where they have shows
and if you're a content creator
and you want to be on volume.com, they're giving
money to the people who are adding
their content to their show. Go to volume.com, they're giving money to the people who are adding their content to their show.
So go to volume.com slash creator and see.
That's where you don't have to pay the money back, by the way.
It's a free money, people.
It's in a Perkins loan.
Yeah, this is in Perkins.
And shout out to everyone,
all the fans who just listened to live streams.
The chat at the live stream was bumping.
Everyone was hyping it up.
Everybody said we should be on jam on radio
And I was like I don't know if they really have that kind of money
Let's go
You hear that Fink?
We're coming for you
I should just start coming for Ari Fink
I like him too much
I could listen to that guy talk for minutes
So head to volume.com
And go watch all the amazing content
That is on that
Every band's on there now And our podcast volume.com and go watch all the amazing content that is on that from every
bands on there now.
And our podcast,
if you want to see our faces and see Nick rocking those fucking glasses
every day,
you don't take them off.
I might buy like four or five more jam band,
Tony Soprano over here,
dude.
Yeah,
bitch.
Volume.com.
Double ghoul motherfuckers.
We're going to have a great week.
Um,
no, buy tickets to our fall tour. week. Buy tickets to our fall tour.
Buy tickets to our fall tour.
Where are you playing this weekend?
This weekend, we're at Wormtown.
What the fuck is that?
I don't fucking know anymore.
Pigeons is definitely playing that one, right?
No, Neil Francis, Motet.
I'm sick.
It'll be fun.
Motet's one of my favorites.
Yeah, it's a good lineup.
They got a new singer.
Massachusetts, come on out to Wormtown.
You know they got a new singer in the Motet full time? Yeah, she's awesome. I played with her. She used it's a good lineup. They got a new sanger. Massachusetts, come on out to Wormtown. You know they got a new sanger in the
motet full time? Yeah, she's awesome.
She used to be in that band,
what's it called? Elephant, maybe Revival?
Portland. She's from Portland.
Yeah, she's badass.
And then the following week starts
our fall tour, people.
So get your tickets.
It's going to be amazing. We're starting
in Michigan, going to Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Washington, D.C., which is sold out.
Shout out to Washington, D.C.
Wow.
Burlington, Vermont.
Wow.
Fairfield, Connecticut.
Holy shit.
Boston, Massachusetts.
Wow.
Woodstock, New York.
Fuck.
Portland, Maine.
Oh, my God.
Richmond, Virginia.
Wow.
One night in Philly.
Meh.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
I love Philly.
And two nights in Brooklyn, Oakland. I was going to say that no matter what city you put there.
That's the first lake, so grab your tickets while you can.
We got Logan Rex on the show.
You're going to love her.
She's one of our close friends.
She's beautiful.
She is, I think, my soulmate, but I don't know.
She's Gwen Stefani, basically.
She's Florida Gwen.
She's our generation's Gwen Stef.
We love her.
Her band's amazing.
She tours with Little Stranger a bunch.
Reggae scene.
Reggae.
We're going on tour with Iration.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Been on Ted's Excellent Adventure.
So, you're going to love this interview.
Next week, it is you and I for an hour, buddy.
Oh, God.
What if I say the end?
We're going to talk about fish again.
Why?
Let's talk shit about Tom Hamilton for an hour.
Who's that?
Tom Hamilton.
I don't know who that is.
He likes to make fun of the Grateful Dead,
but then also being a tribute man to them.
Anyway, okay. We're done with talking about that.
Article Sound System. Enjoy the show.
And we'll catch you next week
where Nick and I
lose more friends.
How's it going, Andy Brasco?
How's it going?
Is Rex your last name? Yeah, it's my last name. Give me your first memory Get out Klein and I would watch myself in the reflection, you know? Patsy Cline, cool. That was, that was. You always knew. I wanted to be like a country singer.
Yeah, well, I did when I was little and then like, you know, I lost the dream for like
a long time.
I didn't think that anything would happen musically.
I think I just was like, I was pretty much like a housewife.
Yeah.
You were?
You were married?
I wasn't, but I was with this.
So you had like a boyfriend that you lived with?
Yeah, and I was like.
How old are you?
I'm 33.
Oh, I thought you were like 26.
Thank you.
You always know what to say, Nick.
I do.
Women love me.
Yeah, because didn't you move to New York?
I thought you were younger, for real.
Thank you.
I really appreciate that.
That's nice of you.
Yeah, I moved to New York.
I moved to Brooklyn when I was like 20.
Nice.
And I like bought this record store
from Denver, actually.
You bought a record store?
I bought a record store.
You bought their records?
I bought the records.
Okay.
Like the whole inventory.
How many?
Like almost 10,000.
You bought 10,000 records?
I bought 10,000 records.
Well, they were going out of business kind of thing?
They were going out of business.
I was like on Molly in bed on eBay looking at records.
Hell yeah.
And I like had like a little bit of money That I'd inherited from like my grandparents
And I like found this like huge lot
Out here in Denver
And I had a friend who was living out here
And I was like go check it out and see if it seems real
But the guy like had violated probation or something
And had to go to jail
And he had nobody to take over
And I just
How much was it?
It was like $4,000
That was it?
Yeah
And I counted them Records weren't that cool 10 years? It was like $4,000. That was it? Yeah. And I counted them.
Records weren't that cool 10 years ago.
They really weren't.
Yeah.
They weren't cool 10 years ago.
And like everyone around me was like, this is like pretty dumb.
And like, what about iPods are cool.
And you know.
Did you sell them all?
No.
Well, so I like moved them into like, I had a loft in the apartment and I would have people
like come.
I mostly sold online, but people could come and make an appointment.
You got your money back, I bet.
No. Really? No. I would have people like come, I mostly sold online, but people could come and make an appointment. You got your money back. I bet. No,
really?
No,
but I was doing like other things that kept me afloat.
Right.
Like what?
Like,
well,
you know,
just like doing,
you know,
weed things.
You were growing weed.
We were like me and like the guy that I was dating at the time.
I feel like I'm just,
okay,
well,
um,
so like we had this business, this
food delivery business down in South Florida.
It had started and I had kind of gotten
on board with really early.
And it was more like a front
for laundering money.
And at the time, we lived in Florida.
That's what a drug dealer is.
You're a drug dealer.
I was a drug dealer.
It's cool to be a drug dealer.
Drug dealers are fine on this podcast.
Yeah, I know.
So you sold weed?
How much weed were you selling?
Well, and I mean, I was just like part of like this like operation, but it would be
like a couple.
That's what drug dealers are.
It was like a couple hundred pounds like a month would go back and forth between California
and Florida.
So like you're doing half a million gross in revenue a month roughly back then.
I guess so.
And it was like crazy because I was like 20.
It was like so exciting.
Well, you're probably doing it not retail, so it's probably less than that.
Yeah.
So you were making money.
I mean, not personal.
Like the operation was making plenty of money.
Yeah.
And then it was rolling back into it.
And then we moved from New York to California to grow.
And like we were like, let's get vertical.
And it was so fun.
It really was so fun.
You grew weed in California?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I lived in Oroville.
It's like outside Chico.
Yeah.
And we lived outside for four months while we were growing.
And it was me and 12 of my friends.
And we lived on this bald mountaintop.
That's a whole thing.
Yeah, it's a whole lifestyle.
It was really something.
And I'd never even camped before.
So it was a real...
What did you like about growing weed?
I liked being with all my friends.
I like growing things.
And I love smoking weed.
At the time, I was smoking a bunch.
So it was...
I mean, what's more fun than being with all your pals
and getting dirty?
If you were my girlfriend
and we shared a one- one bedroom apartment in New York
And you said babe I just bought 10,000 vinyls
I'd be fucking pissed
It wasn't a one bedroom apartment
We had room for it
It was a drug dealer penthouse
It was a drug dealer place
Wow look at you
Why'd you quit that?
Damn you're like
Florida Scarface
No I think Scarface is Florida Scarface
Oh Florida That whole thing set in Miami Oh shit You're like Florida Scarface Yeah, that's me No, I think Scarface is Florida Scarface Yeah Oh, Florida
That's actually Miami
That whole thing's set in Miami
Oh, shit
Yeah
Is that who inspired you to be a drug dealer?
Yeah
Oh, God
When you use those words
It didn't ever feel like that
Nope, you're dealing drugs
Sorry
It just felt like fun
Bartenders
What is that?
What's that one?
Air horn, probably It's an air horn Okay It's an air horn Nice Okay, so It just felt like fun. Bartenders? What is that? What's that one? Airhorn probably.
It's an airhorn.
Okay.
It's an airhorn.
Nice.
Okay, so you steered away from your path.
I steered away from the path.
You wanted to be a record star.
You broke up with that guy, basically.
Oh, yeah.
That was done.
Yeah.
Why'd you break up with him?
I just didn't.
His penis was too big.
I just felt like I realized I joined a band
and then I was like, oh, I'm playing this
supporting, this is corny, but I felt like I was playing
a supporting role in his life and
not, and I was like, oh, I have my own
dreams and I could be this. You wanted to get your best actor
Oscar. Yes. Actress. That's it.
And you're sick of being a supporting actress at the Golden Globes.
Yeah, pretty much. But when I joined
Article, it felt like it empowered
me and then I left.
I had $40. And
I had never paid
my own bills or taken care of
myself. I'd just been a
housewife. Yeah, I was a housewife.
And it was really
good for me. And then I lived in my van for a little bit.
Somebody just looked out here and shut a door.
He's working on the house.
Oh, okay.
Okay. Couple questions
You've always wanted
You've always wanted
It's hard to interview someone you know
I know
I'm trying not to like
I was actually on that other
That No Simple Road podcast talking about the best interviews
Is when you don't really know each other
Yeah I think so.
What beans would you have to spill?
That's a frasco.
Did you always have this confidence,
like alpha confidence when you were a kid?
No.
I mean, you know me.
I was like a huge nerd.
I mean, I still am.
But I really didn't have a ton of friends.
I read the dictionary.
I had a wheelie backpack.
Nice.
I was a huge loser. What's a wheelie backpack? Like a rolling suitcase that I kept dictionary. I had like a wheelie backpack. Nice. I was like a huge loser.
What's a wheelie backpack?
Like a rolling suitcase
that I kept.
Oh, you had carry-on luggage
for your backpack.
I was like a flight attendant
in the halls of H3.
Holy shit,
I would have made fun of you so much.
Yeah, well, everyone did.
Even though you were good looking?
I mean, thank you.
It's hard for nerds.
You were always hot, huh?
I mean, I don't know
that I would say that.
You were always hot.
You don't get hot in your 30s.
Yeah, you've always hot.
Come on, fellas. No, I mean, I think I was like a're always hot. You don't get hot in your 30s. Yeah, you've always hot. Come on, fellas.
No, I mean, I think I was like a cute little girl.
Hot nerd, huh?
Jesus. Just you don't see that very often.
Yeah. No, I do see it all
the time. I love nerds. Yeah, you're right
actually. Those girly nerds are
awesome. Librarian vibe? I love it.
Yeah. I used to go pick up chicks at
the library. They're intimidating. Yeah? Yeah. How?
That's a good place to do it
I just like see what book they're reading
And I like try to get the same book
And sit next to them
That's cute
But he's like the title's upside down and shit
Yeah they like have one copy of everything
I can read
Were you picked on as a kid?
Really?
Yeah but not like a poor pity me thing
Like by your brothers or?
No just like other kids I think I like went to like a really small school thing. Like by your brothers? No, just like other kids, I think.
I went to a really small school,
and if you weren't on the inside,
there weren't any other options.
But I feel like it made me very compassionate,
maybe, for other people.
I want everyone to feel included,
so I think that I'm very happy it went that way.
Yeah, being a nerd's cool.
I think so.
It is.
I think it's the best.
Were you a nerd?
It could be You could be
Some days I was a nerd
I don't know
I kind of floated around
With everybody
Yeah same
Were you?
I was kind of a nerd
I feel like she was cool
I was a loner
But you were more of a cool loner
I was more of a like
Here comes Nick again
Yeah
But he's funny
Let's let him hang out with us
You know what I mean?
Yeah
Is Boynton Beach Do you mean? Yeah Is Boynton Beach
Do you feel like Miami and Boynton Beach
Do you see any parallels in LA?
In LA?
Like LA lifestyle versus Miami lifestyle
Where it's like keeping up with the Joneses
Everyone had to be like perfect
Everyone had to have that white picket fence
That big house
Yeah, I mean
There's definitely like so much money
Like where I grew up
There's like a ton of that But I grew up There's like ton of that
But I think Miami
It's like way worse
Cause like the girls
You're from Boyne Beach
I'm from Boyne Beach
I'm from Delray
Like just up the road
That's pretty nice
I've been to your pad
I know
I've been to that area
Yeah it's a nice place
And I have a very cute
Little pad
Okay what's more vapid
LA or Miami
Like who's more
Who's more
Shallow
I don't know
I feel like I can't
Speak to it
Cause like I mean
Miami's like an hour and a half from me
and I don't want to like speak
for a whole group of people like that.
And I don't really know LA that well either.
So,
okay.
What was that?
I mean,
I don't have an answer.
Generalize people.
That's what we do on here.
That's why we have podcasts.
We generalize people.
We're here to generalize people
and make ourselves look bad.
All right. God. Save Miami. I're here to generalize people and make ourselves look bad. All right.
God.
Save Miami.
I can't believe I'm here with you two.
Miami has better cocaine and LA has...
Well, they're both hot.
Yeah.
It's like Miami has hotter guys.
It's like really good looking people.
It's like Miami has hotter guys and LA has hotter girls.
I think the LA girls are hotter to me because they're like more natural seeming.
Like the work is better.
What?
In Miami, I feel like it's like a flex of like
to show people
you have money
and you're like
wearing it in your
body and face
oh okay
so you have no trauma
no
no trauma
you have no drug addiction
I can give you some trauma
if you want
I can find something for you
you have no drug addiction
no
never been addicted to anything
what
I mean no
boring
no
so what do you
what do you sing about
I got put in the
mental hospital
I guess there's that
Where is that?
Yeah
When?
Like right before my record short
Now we're cooking
Are you what?
I got put in the mental hospital
Here we go
Here we go
Finally
What happened?
What you got a job part time there?
No
I mean I thought at the time
I was like suicidal
And so I got Baker acted
Why?
Why was I suicidal?
Yeah like why?
Do you think like You didn't know who you were You're like identity crisis Yeah I think that I. Why was I suicidal? Yeah like why? Do you think like you
didn't know who you
were?
You're like identity
crisis?
Yeah I think that I
think I was like really
people pleasing.
I was like on a path
that like my parents
wanted me to be on and
they weren't pressuring
me to but I was like
oh I want to make my
folks happy and because
my parents are wonderful
wonderful people.
What do they do?
My dad's a lawyer.
Kind.
He's a securities lawyer.
Wow real lawyer.
A real lawyer.
Yeah. Like finance. He's a securities lawyer. Wow, a real lawyer. A real lawyer. Yeah, but...
Like finance.
Those kinds of securities?
Yeah, like the Madoff thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That kind of thing.
He didn't do the Madoff case.
He might be lower upper.
Madoff?
He's saying I might be lower upper.
Maybe not upper middle.
I don't have a barometer.
I don't know what, you know,
I don't know what anything would be.
I'm not trying to lie or hide anything.
What were your parents doing that you felt like you're being pressured?
No, I don't think they were pressuring me.
I think I just like wanted to make them happy, you know.
I don't think it's anything necessarily they were doing,
but they like wanted me to like go to college.
And I like dropped out of like three colleges.
Really?
Or failed out of three colleges, I guess.
Yeah.
Really? Yeah. What was the best college you failed out of?
The first one? Yeah, the first one.
It's always that because you got into that one
and then you have to get into the lower ones to stay in.
Where did you go to college first? I went to
FSU and then I went to like two different
community colleges. But you're smart then. You got good grades in high school.
I think I was okay. It's a hard school to get into.
Hold on. It's not really that.
I mean, not to insult anybody.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Insult people.
Come on.
Florida State.
Florida State.
You went to Florida State High School.
Tallahassee.
Tallahassee.
I was going to fire you.
Yeah, I did.
Yep.
And you failed Florida State?
I just wasn't going.
Even Bert Kreischer finished Florida State.
They told me if I didn't come back and have my shit together that I was going to be kicked
out and I was like, I'm just not going to come back.
Were you partying too much?
Not really.
I mean, I was smoking a bunch of weed and fucking off with my friends,
but I wasn't getting...
That's not partying too much.
You know, I'm pretty tame.
Did your parents yell at you?
No.
No?
No.
They're very cool.
So what pressure?
Just from myself and wanting to do the thing
that I thought other people thought I should do.
I'm like...
This is what I'm talking about.
Yes. So it's the same as LA. You're always worried about thought other people thought I should do. I'm like... This is what I'm talking about. Yes.
So it's the same as LA.
You're always worried about what other people think about you versus being confident with yourself.
Isn't that everywhere though?
Yeah, but I don't think that's like locationally based.
LA is like where those people flock to.
I feel like money does that.
LA is like the little light to those mosquitoes that are like that.
Yes.
But I think that those people exist everywhere, right?
Yeah.
That's why Instagram exists.
But maybe where it's more concentrated wealth,
I could see it, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
What was the first time you felt like
you needed to impress somebody?
Oh, God.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't even think I can remember that far back.
Yeah.
Close your eyes and think.
Okay, okay.
I don't know Maybe
Oh you know what
I like took piano lessons
And I like
No pressure from my parents
And I like couldn't nail it
And I was just like
So
I was like a little kid
And I just remember being like
So disappointed in myself
I'm gonna be a singer
I think maybe I'm harder on myself than like,
yeah,
my parents are not like,
you know,
they're very like,
whatever makes you happy and real sweet.
You know,
I think like sometimes I think there was like a point in time my mom would
have wanted me to like join junior league and like be in a sorority and
like marry a doctor.
No,
I did competitive ballroom dancing and golf.
Golf is a sport?
Yeah.
I waved out.
I was like, I can't do the team sports.
Golf is a sport, but I feel like ballroom dancing takes more athleticism.
Honestly, yeah.
But I lost to a 96-year-old woman named Frida.
What?
And I was just like, I'm done.
Damn.
And dancing or golf?
And dancing.
Those are two just individual sports.
It's not team sports.
So what do you like about individual sports?
I think I just like doing my own thing, you know?
Alpha.
It's been good to be in the band because that's a cool dynamic.
But other than that, I'm not used to the team dynamic.
So this has been really cool.
I'm like, oh, I'm really close to these people.
And we're all chasing our dream together.
That feels nice.
Do you think having a long relationship too kind of fucked with that idea of self,
like identity crisis?
It definitely like did some, but like that, like I learned a lot about myself too.
Like you do like being in any relationship, but especially like a long term when you can
like really like dig in as much as that relationship had like some fucked up things to it and I
wanted to leave.
Like, you know, I learned a lot about
myself and I grew a lot
but I think I already had this whole
like, I like being
alone. I like hanging out by myself.
Were you trimming pot?
Yeah, we had trimmers.
Is it like Scarface where you're just like completely
naked and you're trimming so they know you're not stealing
anything? Nope. It's nothing
like that. Andy wants to work there.
Until he realizes he has to be...
I just cocaine Andy.
Until he realizes he has to be...
They don't care if you steal a little weed.
Yeah, that's fine.
I'm just wondering how...
Because I want to talk about you going
to the mental hospital
because there must have been a few
things that are adding up,
triggering it.
I was put on antidepressants when I was really little.
I think because of the bullying
and then I was getting sad
because I was like, oh, I don't know if I fit in.
All my family is doctors
and pharmacists and stuff.
They were like, just
put her on some Prozac or whatever.
Put a pill in her.
That was the 90s.
That's what boomers did. They just gave us pills.
And they went to the whatever thing.
You know, their club or whatever.
They got drunk with their friends.
Boomers were very hands-off parents.
Oh, definitely.
Which I don't think is a terrible thing.
But, I mean,
there's a balance.
But then they were too hands-on, too, sometimes.
I think we're seeing the pendulum maybe swing the other way.
Oh, for sure.
But do you think it's like that...
Do you think that style of parenting switches every generation?
Because their parents didn't want to be...
Maybe.
Weren't trying to parent their kids like their parents were parenting them.
Their parents were also very traumatized.
The boomers parentsers Because of the war
World War II
Yeah
So you have to factor that in
Like mental health
Didn't exist in the 40s
You know what I'm saying
So I think that
It's like they were raised
Like not very well
And then they kind of
Carried that over
And took it over
They like to
They're still doing it
You see it online
They're like taking out
The way they were raised
On their own kids
Right
But also they were
Two hands on
Like the participation
Trophy thing
Like they invented Participation trophies They did that on Like the participation trophy thing They invented participation trophies
The kids don't give themselves participation trophies
I guess you're right, but when did that start?
Probably when I was 10
You were in the soccer this year
You deserve a star
Yeah, but no one really deserves stars
Do you think that's why we get bummed out
When we don't fulfill our dreams?
Maybe
Boomers were smart enough not to really have dreams.
You know what I mean?
Like, if you think about it.
Like, we're just working.
Yeah.
There's a generation called the silent generation.
Yeah, Joe Biden's in it.
What is it?
It's like, I don't...
What is it?
It's before the boomers.
It's from like 1928 to 1944 is the silent generation.
Damn, you just have that off the top?
I know a lot of dumb shit. And then like before that's
the golden generation.
So Joe Biden is the first
non-boomer president we've had since Bill Clinton
and he's actually older than the boomers. That's what's funny.
That seems... Wow.
Were you silent
with your pain until
like it exploded? Were you
like imploding it? Yeah.
I'm like more implosive and I like had like a whole like plan of? Were you like imploding it? Yeah. I'm like more implosive
and I like had like a whole
like plan of how I could like
make it work with like
everyone's schedule
so that it wasn't like...
Your suicide?
Yeah.
Are you kidding, Logan?
You thought this out.
Yeah, I really did.
I think that happens a lot
like because that's how
suicidal people like
are sort of empathetic,
you know,
so they don't want to like...
Yeah.
That's part of the thing
is like they think the world
doesn't want them around.
Yeah, kind of close.
You were that sad, dude?
So they don't want to interrupt lunch.
I was.
I was really sad.
And honestly, I feel like I didn't really figure it out until like last year.
Where like I'm like, oh, I don't feel this way anymore.
And I mean, it helped getting off the antidepressants because I feel like being on a cocktail and
like being that young, you're not being responsible with when to take it and like...
How old were you?
I was like 19 the first time I went.
And then i went again
like a little after that and i went to the place james taylor wrote fire and ranks oh it's like
girl interrupted yeah kind of and everything's like linoleum and like my parents like brought
me cigarettes because it's the only time you go outside it's like if you smoke and like and
everyone's like some people are there because they're like there for like rehab or like they
have like a drinking problem but it's like a state funded
whatever
and they do
they have like a padded room
that'd be fun
and like
you have to like
stand in line
and like
it's like all the things
that you see
like with like
the little plastic cups
were you in the padded room?
I was not in the padded room
I was in a room
with like an older woman
named Mary
who was there
for like alcoholism
and she was like
the first time's the scariest
and I was like why am I here
what did I don't want to kill myself
I was just a little bit sad like I gotta get
out of here I don't think I
like I never I don't think I ever would have
cared like followed through yeah with it
but no because what was contradicting
to what you just said versus
when you're like looking for
the you always look for the depths of life
so when you're what if you're always looking for the depths of life. So when you're,
what,
if you're always looking for the depths of life, then why did you want to end it?
Well,
I mean,
I feel like like the depth of life,
I mean like,
I think overall is like a philosophy.
I really like to like feel like,
even like when Uzi died,
like there was like something about it
that was like so like,
even though it was pain,
it like felt,
this is my dog.
Oh, dog.
My dog.
I know.
A big part of the know big part of the article
I thought you were talking about
family
she was like my
you know
I had her 13 years
I get it
I know
I've had dogs die
but there was like
something about it
that felt like
so like tied
like joy
and like grief
are like so close together
and like there was like
such a cool like
even like crying
it just felt like
that's what
we came here to like
feel the things
you know
so I like came here
to like go to the mental hospital and see some weird shit
and be in a reggae band and feel all these different...
Have just weird experiences.
Were you a little dramatic about the suicide?
No.
Did you look back or did you really feel that way?
I think I believed that I felt that way,
but I don't think I could have followed through.
So the first time you went there, what were
they teaching you? Oh, they don't teach
you. They basically just like... They just put
you in a room. They level you out, man. Yeah. They just
put you in there. They just kind of level you out, right?
They like... You have like a couple therapy
sessions. Yeah. Chores. Yeah.
They get you in a routine, right? I was only
there... When you get Baker Acted, they can hold you 72
hours. Oh, you weren't like that. So that time I was
there 72 hours. Then the one I went to in, like, it was like in Boston or something.
So why'd you go back?
That one was like a week.
Because my mom, I still didn't feel like I had it figured out.
I just had this kind of traumatic experience where they put me on a gurney
and took me into the mental hospital, which that felt very traumatic.
They strapped you in?
No, they made me get in an ambulance.
What?
A bambalance
Yeah a bambalance
Why did you like try to kill yourself?
No I didn't
I like told someone
I was really sad
And like somebody was like
Hey you seem really off
And I was like feeling guilty
Because I felt like I was like lying
And then you know
And so also like if I told somebody,
of course, you're not going to follow through.
So I told someone, they told my parents,
and my parents called our doctor at the time.
We're like, oh, where can we take Logan right now?
They just were panicked and frantic.
And they were like, oh, take her to the hospital.
Do you have siblings?
Yeah.
What are you, the oldest?
I have a little brother,
and then I have three older half...
I had three older half-siblings.
Two of my brothers died, and I have an older half-sister,
but she's, you know...
Do they have the sad gene, too?
Yeah, I think we all kind of have a little bit of the sad gene.
Where do you think it comes from, your mom or your dad?
It would have to be whatever you share the parent with.
Yeah, I think it could come from my dad,
but he's like a boomer.
Dad, we share a dad boomer Yeah we share a dad
And he's like you know he's not really one to like
Spend much time he's like a badass
But he's a boomer and so he's not one to like talk about
His feelings much so maybe something
Is there
So 72 hours
At that one it's called Fair Oaks
So were you able to sleep
Or did you sleep a lot
I don't know I don't know.
Tired or something? I don't know.
If you're depressed, you're not sleeping.
Well, they don't want you in your rooms really.
Or you're sleeping constantly.
They ask you to get out of your rooms.
We're watching VHS tapes
and smoking cigarettes.
That sounds kind of fun.
It kind of sounds like summer camp.
You're just in there with people
who are in really odd places in their life.
Yeah, of course. Of course it's deeply
sad, but it also
sounds kind of nice.
Looking back, I'm like, okay, I feel like
that adds depth of flavor.
Well, yeah.
So your parents are divorced?
No, my parents are together. You're from the golden marriage.
I'm from the golden marriage. You're the good marriage kid. That's not a nice way to put it. Well, your parents are divorced? No, no, my parents are together You're from the golden marriage I'm from the golden marriage You're the good marriage kid
That's not a nice way to put it
Well, my parents have had multiple kids
No, that's how it works
So your dad loves you more than he loves his other kids, right?
Oh my god, Nick
Oh my god
They like the one with their, you know what I mean?
That's not
That's how it works.
Dad loves us both the same.
Yeah.
Yeah, he does.
Can you prove that?
Oh my God.
Logan.
Okay.
So.
Yeah.
We're really all over the place here.
How's this going?
I'm coming.
How are you feeling about this?
It's coming.
It's coming?
Don't worry.
How are you feeling, Nick?
You'll give me an honest answer.
I feel.
Yeah, you feel.
I think you're fun.
I think you're fun.
Okay. But I just want to get
To the trauma stuff
Andy doesn't like
When people don't have trauma
And like when they're not
Drug addicts
I'm sorry
I know I'm no fun
I'm just real
This is
This is fun
This is fun
But it's kind of fun
Sad is fun
It's kind of fun
To have a regular person around
I don't feel like
Sad is part of my brand
So this is interesting
You're not sad at all to me
I don't think I'm sad
No
Ever since I've met you
You're like so happy I don't know if you're like H sad at all to me. I don't think I'm sad. Ever since I've met you, you're so happy.
I don't know if you're hiding the sadness.
I don't think you could be that.
No, I think I've gotten a lot better.
Microdosing has helped a lot.
That definitely has helped.
And I just know myself better.
So I think I'm genuinely very happy.
What was the most heartbreak you've ever had?
The most heartbreak I ever had.
She's too hot for that.
What's that?
Nothing.
You say I'm too hot for that?
I said you're too hot
for heart break.
It's a joke.
That's obviously
We think hot people
don't get heart break.
Yeah, because they're
the one breaking hearts.
Yeah.
Do you break hearts?
I don't know.
Have you ever
broken a guy's heart?
Have you ever had a stalker?
Yeah, I've had. I've had. Guys you broke up with Have you ever had a stalker Like Yeah I've had
I've had
I've had
Guys you broke up with
And they kind of like
Followed you around
I've had like
Changed my phone number
I've had like guys
Like show up at my house
Let's go
Now we're cooking
I knew that was gonna be
Now we're cooking
Yeah
Yep
I'll get us
What happened
Don't worry Andy
I'll get us
Leave me
Leave me
So was it like a guy you dumped
And then he's like
I need you
And he comes to your room
Yeah I like almost had to have
A restraining order on him
and that was really bad.
That was like in high school
and then I had to get...
Well, high school kind of doesn't count.
Guys are a little crazy then.
A little unhinged.
She's always been hot.
Hormones.
You've always been hot.
Yeah, yeah.
But like hormones.
Hormones.
You can't be held responsible.
He probably wouldn't have done anything too crazy.
And then when I broke up with the guy
I was with for like 10 years,
everything is cool to us now,
but it was definitely not at the time.
Really?
And he was like,
yeah,
it was really wild.
It was...
Did he follow you around?
He would like follow me around.
He like showed up.
God.
That sucks when you're in a band
because they know where you're going to be all the time.
No,
he was like showing up at my work
and like crying at my work.
Oh my God.
Don't people realize how...
Not a good situation.
You see men doing that way more than women.
Oh,
yeah, I think so. And it's so weird because there's all this whole notion Not a good situation You know You see men doing that Way more than Women Oh yeah
I think so
And it's so weird
Because there's all this
Whole notion that women
Are so much more emotional
Than men
But every time
Something bad happens
To a dude
They fucking do shit like that
I know
Right
It's like
I feel like they have
A free pass
They're like
Now I can like
Unleash all of my
Sad emotions
I've bottled up
Yeah but it's like
Now you just
Embarrassed yourself
Yeah
I've had some guy friends
Do some really embarrassing Shit in the past Yeah I've had some guy friends Do some really embarrassing shit
In the past
Yeah
I've seen a lot of that
It's all over women too
Yeah
That's what I'm saying
I think it gives them
Artistic license
To just be
Yeah
Men get really lonely
Do you get weird?
Yes
Yeah you get weird?
What?
You've never gotten psycho on a chick
Have you ever gotten like
I didn't understand
I'm probably the best person
Ever to break up with
Yeah
Amazing Yeah You're good? No I don't get weird Women'm probably the best person ever to break up with. It's amazing.
You're good?
No, I don't get weird.
Women used to love breaking up with me.
But I also leave before they break up with me.
That's a good plan.
You have to date someone for more than six hours to get your heart broken.
Bravo, Andy.
He's had relationships that are shorter than Oppenheimer
Wow
What a great one
This is a big part of this, huh?
You guys like adjusting the stands
Oh, now he's going
Oh, I thought you went handheld
For a minute
I like to do that sometimes
Freestyling
Damn
See, that's the thing with girls
Especially in the music scene
You probably have to deal with stalkers
And all these fucking creepy ass dudes
I was reading texts of hers earlier
To their Google
Showing them some texts
What?
It's like I'm waking up and texting her in the morning
Hey my sweet darling
Your voice is
You know
Give me like a Google voice number
And so like
You know I'm not always great about
Like responding to it
But we get some real good ones
You got responses
Just like
Hold on
Great text from Wiles
Oh my god these creeps are
Just calling you
He wasn't even getting that sexual
It was like romantic which is creepier
But I was like oh
Dude I feel like being romantic is creepier
Than just being gross
Tell me what you think this means
He said for you the world will burn
Is that good?
Is he like trying to be like poetic?
Yes he's like trying to be like poetic? Yes I think so
He's like trying to be like a romantic poetic guy
Which I swear to God
Is creepier than just sending a dick pic, I think
I agree
I do agree
I can be like, alright, super horny
I get that
Being like that's like what?
You're just like that
I can understand what that is
I don't know
Yeah, I don't know
But you know what?
It's nice
Nobody ever talks to me that way
So I was like, thanks, man
Yeah, but it's also weird
No, it is
It's not that nice actually
For the guy who's probably
Listening to this podcast
You're probably listening
To this voicemail
Keep it up
Keep it up
Kill it
She likes it I guess
He's not tethered to
This reality
It doesn't seem like it
He seems
It seems like something's
Yeah obviously
Yeah you know
Why does every female artist
Say I'm a soulmate
I don't
Do you get a lot of those
No
I think
For the most part
Everybody's pretty cool.
I was telling
I was telling Emily downstairs
like nobody ever sends me dick pics
like
and it's not that I want dick pics
but it's like
it would be nice
for someone to want
to send me those
because sometimes I feel
I can send you a dick pic.
Sometimes I just feel left
I feel left out
because I have girlfriends
who are like
oh my god
I get so many dick pics
and I'm like
nobody ever sends me
dick pics.
What am I doing wrong?
Do you think you're being
too much of a bro?
Yeah, I do. Broken?
I do think so. Is it weird that your name is sort of like
a very... Broken?
Seems like you're a guy in a...
No.
You kind of have a reggae guy name.
I do. I was born for this.
I was born for this. Oh, Logan's sick.
You know what I mean? They think you're like on a
longboard. Do they have handshakes
with you and shit? Well, that's...
I've been coming up against this a lot recently.
I don't...
I can't...
I'm not hip with it.
Yeah, I can tell you're not.
Like, Stroll was giving me a really hard time,
and he was like,
you're going to have to get this down.
Like, I saw like all of his faith in me
just like disappear when I like...
You don't have to get shit down.
I can't do it.
They need to come to you.
They're all dorks.
I'm a hugger.
Shake a hand.
And a firm handshake.
Just don't... Don't worry about me. Don't take lessons on being cool and 45-year-old guys in long cargo shorts. I'm a hugger. Shake a hand. In the front handshake. Don't worry about me.
Don't take lessons on being cool
and 45-year-old guys
in long cargo shorts.
Okay.
Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill.
We love you.
We love you, Adam Stroll.
Oh, I like Adam Stroll.
He's not...
That's what I'm saying.
You'll never see him
in long cargo shorts.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Stroll rules.
This is all making sense.
It's also not making sense.
It's like You are super hot
And super tight
Maybe
How you approach yourself on social media
Is bro-y
I think that's better
I'm not trying to be like
I'm not a thirsty kind of
You're always throwing the vinyl on
I love that
You're not thirsty
You're the least thirsty of the three of us probably
Damn thank you
That means a lot to me
Okay
Okay
So that's why
We've gotten to the bottom of the dick pics
That's why
I'm too broke
You are dick pics
I'm too broke
No I'm all set
Dick Nixon
Dick Clark
All set
Yo
I guess
Dick Tracy
Their Google
The article sounds as if
Google phone page
Also sends text messages.
This is actually horrible.
Please do not.
Don't send your dick pics.
That is a crime.
It is a crime.
Thank you.
I think guys are starting
to realize that
and they're not doing it as much.
I think that's good.
I think the women are wilder.
I think the women are sending,
like, you probably get crazy stuff.
I've gotten some crazy stuff.
Just push shots.
It's different.
I had this girl message me
last night after the Red Rocks show
Please let me sit on your face
And even that seems kind of tame
And it showed her vagina
From sitting
Wait, nothing on it?
Well that
Like she's sitting
Like she's urinating
Naked?
Yes
Like she's urinating
How did you feel?
How did you feel about that?
I don't know
Because my manager Is in my Instagram posting.
So they get all these messages too.
So I can't be just like flirting.
You know, I'm like, ooh, baby, baby.
Why would you send that thinking this will work?
I don't know.
Because some...
Would that work?
If they're not in there?
I mean, the human psyche is...
Depends how much cocaine I've had in me, to be honest.
I guess so. That, to be honest.
I get horny.
Yeah?
And sometimes I'll start sexting.
Okay, that's good.
It's not good because I wake up and I'm like, oh.
That's kind of fun.
Heroin.
So you said, talk about the reggae scene. You say that you're like the outlaw.
You're not like the bubbly.
Why do you say that you're like the outlaw You're not like the bubbly Why do you say that?
Well I think some of our Lyrical content is like
Not as like
I mean like everything in a lot of the reggae stuff
Is like everything's good vibes
And like you know what I mean
And you're like you're an asshole
Yeah and I'm like you broke my fucking heart
Are men scared of you? I don't think so I think I'm like, you broke my fucking heart. You fucking cocksucker.
Are men scared of you? I don't think so.
I think I'm a pretty
warm and friendly person. Do girls in the scene
like you? Are you intimidating to girls?
I actually feel like I didn't have a lot
of women friends until I started making music.
And now I've made so many.
All the women who work in the industry.
I'm not, I guess,
like LJ from this band bikini
trail yeah you love her i love her she's awesome she's are you guys the only two women in reggae
no no no there's a lot there's a lot yeah yeah but she's the one i've spent the most time with
and i just feel like the most kindred to her and it feels like we're like real friends not just
like circumstantially do you feel like you have to work harder because you're a woman
i guess i could look at it that way but i don don't. I mean, she's a singer, though.
I don't think I do.
That balances that out.
There's just as many perks to being a woman.
Yeah.
I mean.
What about like, you know, you're not in a really big band yet,
so you have to share a bed and share a room with five dudes.
Does it ever smell?
Yeah, but I smell, too.
I mean, Nick can probably tell you right now.
You never smelled?
You don't think I ever smell?
Nope.
Dang, that's nice.
You ever like see one of your guys just take a massive shit?
We have a policy in the hotel room.
You have to poop in the lobby.
Cool.
Because there's just too many.
It was just, you can't run a train on one toilet with five of you in there.
And it's just, so, no, they're pretty good.
They're pretty good.
I know when they're jerking off and stuff and, you know, but we're pretty good. I know when they're jerking off and stuff.
But we're pretty good.
Have you ever caught them jerking off?
No, I haven't. She keeps trying and she can't.
I keep...
God, yeah.
I'm just not quick enough.
You wish.
You want to see them once.
No, no.
I could see Andy doing that.
No.
What are you guys doing in here?
My guys haven't caught me beat off yet.
How?
I have no idea.
I am so quick.
That's bad. That was so so quick. That's bad.
That was so much pride.
That's bad.
You can get a rectal...
You can develop a rectal dysfunction doing that.
Because your body gets used to coming really fast
without getting like all the way hard and stuff.
Yeah, it's good to like breathe through it.
That's why I don't last long.
Maybe you don't last long.
You don't last long?
Not really.
That's the thing with masturbating too much.
Oh, fuck. Like your body just gets
It's like okay we gotta get this over with
Oh fuck
You might get a record of defunction doing that
Really?
I just have to do it really quickly in the bathroom
That's because you've been touring too long
You haven't had any privacy for like 20 years
I honestly can't believe you can get a full erection
I honestly can't believe That this is another full erection. I honestly can't believe
that this is another episode
of your podcast
you're talking about
jerking off in the bathroom.
We might just make this
a Nick and Andy episode
and then with Logan on it.
We really have nasty shit
about this stuff.
Yeah, we asked her
a bunch of things.
Yes, let me be,
I'm like,
make it a Nick and Andy one.
No.
No, this is your,
this is your prime time.
You're talking about your mental health stuff.
Okay.
Let's go back to Boston when you went back.
Boston.
When you went back to the therapy.
It really just isn't that exciting.
You're just pretending you're not interesting.
Do you think I'm pretending I'm not being interesting?
Am I not being interesting?
Yes.
Okay.
You're pretending.
I'm pretending.
Life's hard.
Yeah, but it's also nice Yeah
Yeah
Do you like being in a band?
Pretty good attitude actually
I love being in a band
It's my favorite thing
Who's your favorite band mate?
It really rotates
If you had to fire one tomorrow
Who would you pick?
Oh my god that's tough
You have to
For the world to end
Who do you pick?
And why?
I'm probably picking Adam
because his cymbals bleed into my mic so much.
It really upsets me.
Oh, wow.
And he's like,
I don't want to play darker cymbals
and I don't want to play with less volume.
Damn.
So that upsets me.
I love you, Adam.
Who writes a lot of the music in the band?
Who's the musical producer side of it?
I write the lyrics and that for the most producer side of it? Um, I write, like, the lyrics and, like,
that for the most part.
And then Chris,
our guitarist,
he, like, kind of
is, like,
So we can't fire him.
We can't fire him.
And he's my landlord.
I live in his backyard.
What?
Yeah.
You live in his backyard?
Yeah, he and his wife
have, like,
a really cute, like,
mother-in-law cottage
and I live back there.
Oh, I thought you meant,
like, you're camping out.
I know.
Everyone says,
am I saying it wrong?
Everyone always thinks that
when I'm, like,
I live in his backyard,
mother-in-law suite I've heard that
But it's like its own house
Yeah
No it's perfect
Yeah it's awesome
Is he rich or something?
No
But he got
I mean they used to own a music school
They were doing alright
Sounds like he's kind of rich to me
He's not
Everyone's like low-key rich
They're always like quiet
About their money and stuff
I'm not rich
I just have a house
I've been very honest
About like
Growing up with
More than I needed
I feel like
So tell me about I've been very honest about Growing up with more than I needed I feel like
So tell me about
I got a lot of things I want to say
But I don't know if I can say it
We're really all over the place here
That's what this podcast is
You could edit it out and you would
Because you care about me
You got any beef with any bands?
Who's your least favorite band?
Who's your least favorite band? Who's your least favorite band?
Oh, don't do this.
Why? It's fun.
We'll bleep out the name.
No, you won't.
We will.
My least favorite band.
Just don't say it multiple times.
Just so it's easy on you.
My least favorite band.
I feel like it should come right to that.
I feel like I'm working with a filter right now
because I'm protecting myself.
Fucking Switzerland over here.
What are you running for office?
Who are you scared of?
Who's your manager?
I'm not a big enough man to burn any bridges.
Is there a Reggae Illuminati?
Yeah, there is.
Oh, there is?
No, there's not.
Yes, there is.
Yeah.
That's definitely all white guys.
Who is it?
I can't say.
Will you bleep it out?
No, I can't.
I'll bleep it out.
I can't.
I can't.
Who is it?
What's the pecking order for Reggae?
Who's the biggest?
Yeah.
The pecking order for Reggae, I guess it's probably like stick figures up there at the top
with Slightly Stupid and Revolution and Dirty Heads.
Those are the big four guys.
No black guys.
I know.
It's like a different scene.
We just went out with Stephen Marley
and it was really cool
because it was a different audience.
Yeah.
And then I'm like,
oh, okay, this music is really awesome.
Oh, that's how you do it.
So do each reggae band have like their cult of bands that play with them all
the time?
Yeah.
You know,
everybody's got like their little like clicks.
Yeah.
Their little clicks.
Yeah.
What click are you in?
I don't know.
I would say like,
I mean,
I feel like we're friends with little stranger and I really liked me.
Yeah.
Definitely a reggae band.
Yeah.
Well,
they're in the thing. I've already heard
you guys have this conversation.
Are they reggae?
They got a bubble under some stuff.
Dude, just say they're reggae. God damn it.
You guys are all fucking socialists in this fucking
scene. I hate reggae people now.
You guys are too nice to each other.
Everyone's so nice, but is that passive-aggressive?
How long have you been doing this?
How long have you been doing this podcast?
30 years.
When did you start filming and recording it? A year and a half.
A year and a half ago.
You started the podcast a year and a half ago.
No, we started it four years ago, but
when I met my boyfriend.
And was your band in a better position to just
shit-talk everybody and still get on?
My manager hates when I shit-talk.
Yeah, but your manager's. We're not shit talking.
Managers are dorks. They don't know.
They don't know that shit talking is actually good.
When has a beef ever hurt anyone?
A beef has never hurt anybody.
It's called marketing.
I guess it's called marketing, yeah.
Just lie.
We'll bleep it out.
Who do you not like?
They have dogs. I'm into that.
They're cool. They've been nice to us. His whole team is out. Who do you not like? Dick Digger seems nice. They have dogs. I'm into that. Yeah, you know, they're cool.
They've been nice to us.
His whole team is nice.
Have you played with them?
Yeah, we've played with them.
Is there a rule that you have to be from San Diego to play in those scenes?
In those festivals?
Well, I'm from Florida, so we're the outlier.
But yeah, everybody else.
How did you break in from not doing it? Give us a good San Diego.
Do it.
I can tell you're itching to.
Oh, yeah!
How did you break into the scene?
Yeah, yeah, yeah!
How did you break into the scene
not being from San Diego, California?
It was tough.
Ocean Beach, California.
No, Florida, San Diego,
tomato, tomato.
Yeah, I know.
It's not like you're from, like, Vermont.
What were the reggae bands in Florida?
What were they?
Yeah, what were they?
Is there a big one?
There's this band, Cashed Out,
and those guys are killing it.
And I'm trying to think Who else is from Florida
That's like
Tom Petty
His reggae album
Tom Petty
Yeah his reggae album
Yeah
Yeah
Don't stop
What
Huh
Cashed Out is killing it
We have good friends
In this band
Called The Resolvers
Those guys are some of my favorites
That's cool
There's a girl Sierra Lane
Oh yeah
And she's young And she's like She's reggae Yeah she's reggae Never heard her music Yeah That's cool. There's a girl, Sierra Lane. Oh, yeah. And she's young and she's like...
She's reggae?
Yeah, she's reggae.
Never heard of music.
Yeah, it's cool.
She has like a really awesome voice
and she plays guitar too,
which is nice.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Wow.
Wow.
So there's no reggae band you don't like.
You just like everybody.
No, no.
You love everybody.
We just love everybody.
You love everybody.
Yeah.
Your scene sounds terrible.
I just like...
I keep it in the van.
You're supposed to be our recon of the scene.
I'm not here on camera.
Do they have reggae?
I've never seen a reggae joke meme about a reggae band.
I've never seen any memes.
Do you guys do anything fun or interesting?
No, they're all pretty nice.
We had this thing that we were doing for a while.
No, they're all pretty nice.
No one's funny.
You're just like, no, we're not funny.
Reggae Dongs was this thing that we wanted to do. We like i was for a while i was into shitty photoshop and i was just taking all of these photos of people um you know and just put in
like dildos where the microphones were and i wanted to have a page where i just like anonymously did
reggae dongs why don't you do that that's not even that i don't know but i don't think that
it's not mean,
it's just lighthearted. In the jam bands,
people make memes like,
look how fat this drug addict is.
Look at this fat drug addict.
That's how the jam band
scene memes are.
I'm not kidding.
Yeah, it's mean.
Look at this fat
fucking heroin addict.
What a fucking loser.
Are you in the jam scene?
Sure.
There's this page called
My Drug Band's Better
Than Your Drug Band,
and they rip on all of us
It's fun though
Why can't the reggae people do that?
I don't know
It seems sensitive
I don't know, everybody seems really nice
Everybody seems really nice
Maybe I just don't know them very well
We're not going to be able to record this
This is great
I think it's going boring It's not going to be able to record this This is great I think it's going boring
It's not going boring
It's not going boring
It's because I know you and I'm high
You're scared
You're scared to get in trouble
I don't like being on camera
And I don't like shit talking on camera
You're the front
I know I don't have front woman energy
You wrote a song That you named your boyfriend
An asshole
Yeah
So who are the other assholes
In the scene
Come on
Assholes in the scene
Just give me some dirt
I don't know
Pretend you're a Dodgers fan
Pretend I'm a Dodgers
And you hate Padres fans
And you want
I don't know sports
This is
Dodgers and Padres
Hate each other
It's another San Diego joke
Get on something else.
You're not squeezing this out of me.
Apparently not.
Yeah, we're just getting...
How does it feel to lose band members?
To lose band members?
Have you ever lost a band member?
At the mall, like they wander off?
No, I haven't ever lost a band member.
I went to the fountain.
You guys have been in the same band?
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Yeah, I mean, I'm the newest member of the band. Have you ever kissed anybody the same band? Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah, I mean, I'm the newest member
of the band.
Have you ever kissed
anybody in the band?
Yeah, I have.
She dated one of them.
I dated one of them.
Full dated?
Full dated.
You had sex and everything?
Yeah.
What was that like
dating a band member?
I've never said that
out loud, really.
You had full sex?
Full sex.
Full relationship.
Yeah.
Tell me about that.
It's like a high school
we're talking about.
Full sex.
No one knows that you and Cope
were fucking? No, I mean, I don't think so.
We tried to keep that
very private.
You should get your feet down. Don't give that away for free.
It's worth a lot of money. Is this in the shot?
Those are worth money.
I told her. I will blur it out.
We're trying to get her on OnlyFans Just feet
Let's make her some money
You do have some dinky feet
You got good feet
Don't look at him
I'm not looking
Don't look at him
Go back to the dating
How hard was it dating
Someone you're working with?
I mean
There are some times
Where it's really awesome
Right?
Because you have these
Big moments of elation
And winning
And you're doing this thing together
But I mean
It's also just tough
And we also were trying
To keep it quiet so then
like people are like
hitting on you at the
merch table and like
your bandmate is like
fuming off in a corner
just watching it
which I can understand
I mean you're hot
I like couldn't like
claim him in front of
anyone so like
but Cope was hot too
yeah Cope is hot
yeah he's still hot
how'd that go with him
being in the band
it was like really hairy
oh yeah
you know cause it's like
hard to like
create any space
and like not be around
each other
and then you're like
getting drunk
and playing shows
and you don't really,
you don't really mend.
You just like pretend
like it didn't happen.
So it was still there
a little bit?
And then your bandmates
are,
no,
it was there for a long time.
It really was there
for a long time.
Now it feels like finally
like this last story
we were on,
it really felt like
we were like just,
and I was like,
you know what,
look,
we're bickering
like exes should do.
Like this is really done.
And this should have been done a year ago.
It should have been a longer.
You're still hooking up on the road sometimes when you were lonely.
Like,
I guess it's like kind of hard to hook up on the road,
but yeah,
sometimes.
Not that hard.
I guess when you're not making enough money.
Yeah.
You're like all sharing a room.
Yeah.
And also like,
it goes back to that point.
Like,
you don't want to just hook up with everyone.
It's got to be the right person.
Well,
that's what I'm saying. It's been someone that you already hooked up with everyone It's got to be the right person Well that's what I'm saying
It's been someone
That you already hooked up with
It's easier
Yeah but he's super
He's super cool
And like he and I now
Have like a very
Interesting relationship
Because like he's like
He was there through like
He's just been there for me
Did you know before
You were in the band
Or did you meet through the band
We met through the band
Ooh Fleetwood Mac
Fleetwood Mac
I know
You met through the band
We met through the band
And I really didn't think I was
going to be in the band very long. I was like, I broke up
with that guy that I've been with for 10 years.
Like a week later, I hooked up with Cope because I was like,
I just joined this band and he's like hot and
I'm probably going to like move away
and not do this anymore. Wow.
Where are we going to move? San Diego? Asheville.
Yeah, probably San Diego. Something like that.
I wasn't in a regular website.
I had to do it.
Yeah, and so I didn't think it was
Gonna be a thing
Or that like he was gonna
Wanna have it continue
I was like this could just be like casual
But if I can give you any advice
Don't hook up with your bandmates
I had a wonderful time
What about musicians?
Would you
Would you fall in love with a musician?
Yeah
Like a sax player maybe
That's like 10 years older than you
Like a sax player
How about your girlfriend last night?
That doesn't mean you can't fall in love with me
Okay that's true
I don't think they have to fall in love back
Yeah I think
I can't help it
Like the musician thing is very
I mean that's the most attractive thing to me
You love it
I love it
Oh yeah you did meet my girlfriend
Two musicians just
Doing their art
Yeah I mean
That's like very hot to me right?
How hard is it to do art?
Like write lyrics Do art talk about your life.
You know, you're a lyricist.
So how hard is it to like say how you really feel?
I mean, I think it's like it's getting easier.
As I'm getting to know myself, it's getting easier.
I'm like, I feel like I'm clawing to like be more vulnerable
and like have it be more scary.
But so far it's felt like easy and like, you know,
you're expressing yourself.
So you can make a record for millions of people,
but you can't be honest on a podcast.
I don't like being on...
It feels different.
They're all off. The cameras are off.
Okay, good.
We turned them off like 10 minutes.
We're not even going to air this.
I'm sorry.
I'm not giving you what you want.
Does your band have a manager? Where do they live? You're like, we're not even going to air this. I'm sorry. I'm not giving you what you want.
Does your band have a manager?
Where do they live?
She's with the Don.
I'm with John Phillips. John Phillips, the Don of the reggae scene.
Oh, sick.
And so he's out in L.A.
Or is he in Orange County?
I think he's in L.A.
South of L.A., maybe a little.
It's all the same.
Or most, I think.
Maybe a little south of L.A.
I do like the reggae community.
He's awesome.
He's like the Scooter Braun of reggae.
He's the Scooter Braun of reggae He's the coolest
Who else does he manage? Revolution, all of them
He was the first manager for Sublime
Yeah, he kind of made Sublime happen
He does Slightly Stupid, Stephen Marley
Do you think your statement would exist if there was never a Sublime?
I'm not trying to be funny
No, I don't
They're like the guys
Do you think Sublime started the reggae?
That branch of it.
Who else would it be?
The sort of
ska mixed with reggae
mixed with punk
white people
beach.
Elvis Costello.
What?
Elvis Costello?
I feel like he played
like ska reggae
like back in the day.
That seems like the police
maybe a little bit did.
Oh maybe the police.
But they didn't like
make the scene.
They like
I feel like Sublime
sort of like right?
Yeah they definitely made the scene. Everybody's kind of feel like Sublime Sort of like right Yeah they definitely
Made the scene
Everybody's kind of like
Got Sublime in them a little
It's like
It's the Grateful Dead
With the jam band scene
Yeah
Or Nirvana with the rock scene
Grunge yeah
Grunge
Or
That's harder
Or like
It's a wider
James Brown
Funk
Do you feel like
You're pigeonholed
In the reggae scene and you want to do more
than that? I hope
not because we have an EP
and an album out and I feel like
relatively speaking, we're pretty
green. So you can do whatever you want.
I hope so. And I think that
we just should and then hopefully people just like
it. But I'm
feeling more inspired by the alternative
rock kind of thing right now. I fucking hate
genres. Putting
someone in
a genre. I don't think a genre
is important. It's a marketing tool.
I don't think it's as important anymore. I think a scene
is a different thing.
It's like how Little Stranger is
kind of being propelled by the
reggae scene. Not really.
But it's really important to have a scene
It's like really important to
Yeah
Have some context to come up in
Yeah
So I'm very grateful for
The scene that we're in
Genres do exist though
It's weird
It's like
People hate them but like
The Strokes are different than
Revolution
I mean you know what I mean
You can't just be like
They're both rock bands
We came here to make generalizations
You said
Yeah
And that's what we're doing
Exactly Yeah And Little Stranger is a reggae like They're both rock bands We came here to make generalizations You said And that's what we're doing Exactly
And Little Stranger is a reggae band
They're a reggae band
Don't say that
They hate that
That's why I'm saying it
And we love those boys
That's literally why I'm saying it
Do you like when people
Call you a reggae band?
I guess I don't know what else
They would call us
I think Little Stranger
Is more reggae than you guys
I think so too
I would say that
Like their vibe and shit
To me you're more of like
A pop punk.
Kevin's going to drown you
in your sleep,
dude.
It would be an honor.
We love you,
Kevin.
I'll give him my address.
If you don't want to be
called a reggae band,
quit making reggae music.
Who are your idols?
Who are my idols?
I love Debbie Harry.
Oh,
the first rapper.
Yeah.
White people love to say
that about Debbie Harry.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Debbie Harry. yeah Yeah Debbie Harry
I love her
And
I love Patsy Cline
Oh hell yeah
She died in a plane crash right
Did she
Yeah
I guess
I don't know
Something tragic I thought
And then lately
I like never did the pop punk thing
And I was never like a Paramore fan
I love her
But then I just did
Like a song for that
Pop Punk Goes Reggae project
I had to do Misery Business.
I covered the song, and I've been
watching her perform. I'm in love with her.
You guys should open for that. I'm obsessed with her.
She is just so enchanting.
She's so charming on stage.
She's one of the most charming people
in music. She's phenomenal.
I can't get over her. You guys would be a good opening
band for them, I feel like. Thank you.
Hopefully she would hear that one. Haley, she watches every week. Every week would be a good opening band for them, I feel like. Thank you. Hopefully she would hear that one. Hayley,
she watches every week.
Every week, yeah.
She's a big fan.
She tunes in.
Wow, Logan,
we're going to have to do part two. Brogan.
Are we?
Brogan.
What's your middle name?
Stegosaurus?
Little John.
But you see my little star?
Little John's your actual middle name?
She was born to be a rock star.
What?
So why is it Little John?
But I come here with
none of the energy.
I love this woman.
I love you.
I really do. You were kind of born to be a rock star. You were. What's none of the energy. I love this woman. I love you. I really do.
You were kind of born to be a rock star.
You were.
What's Little John?
I need to know about that.
It's my mom's maiden name.
It's like Scottish.
But it's so funny because like your parents didn't want you to be a rock star.
They want you to go to school.
They're very good about it now.
But no, before.
Before, yeah.
Why?
Why do you think it was?
Because it's a money thing?
No, I think they just like it wasn't even, I don't even know if I was like expressing
enough interest in it.
Because like I didn't ever
sing in front of my parents.
All of a sudden you were like, hey, it's like somebody
joining the Navy.
I'm a singer now.
I went down to the strip mall and signed up
to be a singer.
I wasn't a singer kid growing up.
I just liked to bang around
on my guitar.
Yeah, you play guitar.
Poorly, but yes
You're a really good guitar player
I think you're a good songwriter
Andy, that's so nice of you
I'm treading lightly on this
I like this to be more light
Because I do
I admire you and I appreciate you
And you inspire me
Andy
That's such a nice thing to say
Even though you don't talk shit about nobody
I don't know
It's kind of sus
Right Nick?
I don't like that
He's even texting
He's been on his fucking phone all the time
It's about money
So
Someone's making sure I got paid
It's a little more important
Jason Haynes is making sure I got paid
For our gig
And I did
Yeah
Good
Yeah I stay paid man I stay paid I have very low expenses I did. Yeah. Good. Yeah, I stay paid, man.
I stay paid.
I have very low expenses.
You should try.
Dude, are you looking for a sax player?
They can't afford me.
I've heard their hotel situation.
Yeah.
I already did that.
We can't afford.
We don't have a bass player.
I don't need two bands like that.
You don't have a bass player?
On the next round, no.
Why don't you just...
Do you play on tracks?
We do.
Put it in the track.
That's what we did, yeah.
You don't have a bass player?
But it feels lame.
No, for the next run, because Fabian's having a baby.
That's what I'm saying.
How does it feel to have someone this time?
I know, we were like, this ain't Europe, Fabian.
Get back in the fucking van.
You're not taking a year off, Fabian.
The problem is that the rest of us all need this to eat,
and it still doesn't pay.
But Fabian has another job.
What's he do?
He's a tech dude.
He drives a Porsche. Don't blow his spot up like that job. What's he do? He's a tech dude. He drives a Porsche.
Don't blow his spot up like that.
You drive a fucking Porsche.
Yeah, but it was my dad's.
Fabian has a big Porsche.
He has a Porsche.
Have you told your story about why you kept it?
The brakes go out of total.
I haven't.
Have I told you this?
The reason why I kept the Porsche?
What do you mean?
And it's behind his cream pie fetish.
I have a cream pie fetish.
And this is why.
It all clicked together for me last night.
You mean like coming girls?
That's not a fetish.
That's like biologically what you're supposed to do.
You guys have had this exact conversation.
It's just your body.
I kept my dad's car because I had sex with a pregnant
woman in it and it reminded
me of that she was
a sweet girl but she was nine
months pregnant, eight months pregnant and we
fucked in the back of
my dad's Porsche. He spoke really highly
of her. It sounded like it was actually a sweet
thing. Yeah, I liked her. And we were still friends.
I'm sure you liked her. I still
go visit. I'm like Uncle Andy.
That's nice Alright
Let's wrap this up
I gotta pee
Let's go
Alright
Logan
Do you have any music to promote?
Got any new
I have a Jetta
What was that?
I don't know
By the way
Yeah
This chick's got a Corvette
I do
I have a Corvette
Don't even make fun
Of my fucking old Porsche
You have a fucking Corvette
Oh, you'll fit right in with your fans
Like a 55-year-old guy and a second wife
The Corvette
You have their dream car
Okay, like the New Balance and the high socks
By the way, I have your dream car
Yeah, it's good
They're like, so do we
It's really good
I love it
You said it all
We've learned a little bit about you today
Good
You told me last night I was mysterious
You are I'm glad I night It was mysterious You are
I'm glad I could keep that air
You are
You're keeping it
But like I like
Oh tell Nick this story
About the fish show too
Where you swam to the fish
Or Dave Matthew
Oh Slightly Stupid
This is a great story
Is it?
I told anyone
Like Alcatraz or something?
No there was like a
Like a canal around this venue
Where I grew up
Alcatraz
Alcatraz
For surely you're familiar
Yeah yeah yeah Slightly Stupid was playing Alcatraz. Alcatraz. For surely you're familiar. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Slightly Stupid was playing Alcatraz.
And I swam in with like beers in my pockets.
They should just let you.
If you make that swim,
you should be allowed in.
Yeah, they pretty,
well, I think I made the guard.
I told Andy like there was like a security guard there
and he's like,
you're not supposed to be in here.
It was like me and my two guy friends.
She's just wet.
Beers in my pocket.
No, I can't.
We're like soaking wet.
No one's drinking beers out of cans
except us.
There's a starfish on your back. You know what? And so it was fun. I told Andy last night, I was like, oh, I've never paid for it. We're like soaking wet. No one's drinking beers out of cans except us. There's a starfish on your back.
You know what?
And so it was fun.
I told Andy last night.
I was like, oh, I've never paid for it.
You're covered in leeches.
Yeah.
For a slightly stupid show.
It's cute.
I loved it.
Well, we're going to be continued.
You don't want to air this?
No, no, it's fine.
I feel boring.
I feel it's just boring.
You're not boring.
Don't worry.
I saved it.
Thank you.
What a shining star. What color is your Corvette?
It's burgundy
Ooh
I feel like you gotta
Kind of have a cool car
She's Reggae Barbie
I like that
Thanks
Reggae Barbie
It has inspired me now
Like now when I think of
I like wear little dresses and shit
And I try and be like cute
In my Corvette, it's fun
I think you should just put bass
In the tracks for this tour
No, we are
Oh, okay, good
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Don't get a bass player
They're so repulsive It's all situated. Don't worry.
You don't need a bass player.
No one's going to care.
Hear that, Faves?
He's fine. He's got a Porsche.
He's rich. He's like, go make your money, Favians.
Is his wife hot?
Oh, yeah. His wife is very hot. I love his wife.
He's got everything.
You don't have a Porsche and an ugly wife.
They had a bakery.
They've been together since high school. She They had a bakery. She makes like... They've been together since like high school.
She's like a baker.
She's hot.
She's like the most mellow, wonderful woman.
I love her.
Yeah.
When are you going to fall in love?
I don't know.
I don't recommend it.
I'm just kidding.
You don't recommend it?
No, I'm kidding.
I don't have any opinions on love.
I don't have time.
I got to stay focused.
Oh, yeah.
Because right now,
the boys are all like,
let's just be home with our girlfriends
and our lives
And I'm like home
Pacing a hole in the floor
And like
Put us on the fucking road
And that's all
The only way
That this band is
Going to take off
Yeah
So
Well stay hungry
Keep working
I want to see your Porsche
What year is it?
It's a Corvette
It's a 94
Oh sick
It's very fun
Because Porsches don't
Or Corvettes don't look as cool anymore
I don't think
No they don't
And this one has like
The headlights
I'll show you
Enough about that
You said it all
It's so Florida
Our Florida queen
I'm never letting you
In this podcast
Thank you
We did it
Go check out
Article Sound System
They're great
It's a K-A-L
At the end of article
K-A-L
Look at you knowing
Just so they know Nick and I went to your show on Mission
He's like this is a good band
I actually liked it and I don't really like stuff
That was so nice of you
I really don't like the stuff in that scene very much
I was like this is actually I would go to this
What if I pay when I go
You'll always take care of you
Well you said it all
We learned a little bit
You're going to be on again
I'm going to be on again.
I'm going to really go for it. This is fun.
You're a little nervous.
I try to be a nice person.
You can be nice and also tell everyone they suck.
And also just shred them to pieces.
You said I'm a nice guy earlier. I talk shit constantly.
Ooh, got her.
We got a Corvette now.
Let's end this.
We love you. Thanks, Logan end this. All right. We love you.
Thanks, Logan.
Goodbye.
All right, bye.
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