Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 240: Bahamas

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

We got Andee Avila, Shawn Eckels, & even a rad-dad named Floyd joining Andy for updates on life from the road. Or maybe it's just green room girl talk for 20 minutes. The important thing is that you don't really care, do you? Nah. You just LoOoVE them and are grateful to have these boys share their life with you... right?! (Me too) Plus! On the Interview Hour, we got Afie Jurvanen from Bahamas! He's not just a wizard on guitar with a dulcette voice; his songwriting is also top notch and the production on his recordings is textbook E L E G A N T. Irrefutable. Fight me on this, if you dare. But don't stress; just take a sip from the cup on inspiration that is this episode we call: 240 Watch this episode streaming now!! Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker Andee "Beats" Avila Shawn Eckels

Now, a message from the UN. Me the wrong kind? Yeah, sure, fucking mine. That wasn't cool, as I sit here and drool. Look just the same. They're not the same. Come in small plastic bags, this wook looks like a hang. One gets you up, but now I'm just stuck. This isn't fun, it just fucking sucks. Don't let the w the woods get you high. It's probably ketamine. Before you snort that line, it could be ketamine.

I can't feel my legs, ketamine. I'm on the floor super high, fuck ketamine. Fuck ketamine. Hey, don't do it, man Fuck ketamine All right, and we're back. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco.

How we feeling? How's our heads? How's our minds? Do we have that day fucking five tour depression? Not us, baby. We're sleeping. We're feeling good. We're feeling good. Look at everyone's bouncing off the

walls and shit. Andy is going to be my co-host. We got Sean Eccles. Our DP. I set up the camera. Our photographer. Sean brought in the magnet. Sean brought in the magnet. We got video. Floyd, you could be in this too.

You gotta come over here, Floyd. You're out of the shot. This is the problem I have with you, Floyd. Over here, Floyd. You're out of the shot. Get closer to Andy. This is the problem I have with you. We're supposed to get ready for a show. We're all supposed to be in the moment

And you're out here doing fucking some Indie hipster bullshit on the computer Oh that's what you think of it? His art? What are you working on? Interesting What are you working on? Every day you're on that fucking computer

I'm working on Some of my own projects Oh you're going solo With other people Oh you're going solo Yes Okay Yeah I'm working on some of my own projects. Oh, you're going solo. Yes. That's how you do it, Sean. I'm great, man. I'm really enjoying tour so far. You having fun?

I'm having a great time. Dude, that would bug the shit out of you. It's nice to have Floyd back, right? Yeah, we love this guy. We'll get some hangs in between student sessions, you know? A couple hangs in. You know, sometimes they'll say hello to us when the student is... Electric lady boy is not a... Google call.

We had to hang out with each other. That's how we feel. The band feeling good? Y'all get some sleep? Yeah, two days. I feel like we're normally more haggard after a week of tour. I think we're, like, maturing. We just had two days off.

I don't know about all that. Come sit over here because you're out of the shot. For real. It's okay. Just get over here. Okay, just sit. Sit on Andy's lap. I think we have been doing okay, though. We haven't really been partying too hard. We can't. We have to wake up at 8 a.m. We're not partying out here.

But also, it's the first time we've played three shows in a row and then had two days off. Yeah. No, it was four, but yeah. It was a three. Only three. We canceled one. So it feels good. This is going to be five in a row. And by Sunday, we're going to feel like shells of men.

It happens to the best of us. I think we're going to feel great. It's very optimistic. The new album's called La Optimist. That's very optimistic. The whole tour is optimistic. I don't know what's in the air, but people are really, the energy is really high for this tour. All the fans are going crazy.

The fans are going crazy. We have Cool Cool Cool opening up with us and their homies. The first night was great. The energy was cracking. That was a great show. It was a great way to start the tour. It kind of reminds us of the European years when we had like 100,000 bandmates

with like Yelmer. Yeah, because it's cool when the green rooms are kind of close to each other because we're walking by, we're messing with each other. Yeah. We're saying hi. We're not like on different levels.

We haven't really hazed them that much. Well, you know. We should haze them. Put their head in the toilet? No! Welcome to tour, motherfuckers. What are you thinking? No, like, don't let them eat

dinner with our dinner catering kind of shit. That's just being an asshole. That's headliner shit. Yeah, well, that's hazing. You can't piss in the green. Like, write Andy Frasco in the U.N. bathroom only on the bathroom. Have you ever hazed a baby? It's light hazing. When you're on tour with presidents of the United States of America, did they ever haze you?

No, no. They're nice people and very different than this. Did you ever haze people with speakeasy? I'm sure we did. Yeah, I'm almost positive. What did you do? I can't we did. I'm almost positive. I can't remember specifically. We definitely ordered to Soundman.

Happy birthday to Soundman. He loves warm, well tequila. That goes 50-50. The guy's either like, fuck you, motherfucker. Or he's like, ha-ha, I got the joke. Or he gets really too drunk and he fucks up your sound. Well, then that's your fault. I feel like we hazed Floyd for about four years. I mean, I feel like we're still hazing him. Did it stop?

Do you like us? Be honest. Be honest. Do you like us as people? Grab the tissue box. I got it here just in case you want to talk. Is that why this here? Do you like us as people?

No, no. Do I like you as people? Yeah. Yeah, you're okay. Like you? No, all of us Do you like have to take a deep breath Before you go on tour with us

I mean like Kind of like Here comes the meat grinder Um No I try and like I don't know That's just in the morning Yeah usually in the morning

And I'm like pacing around a parking lot somewhere That's where I'm like The other day, Floyd, we went to Home Depot And Floyd just laid down next to the van In the sunshine in the parking lot I feel like I don't get enough sunlight Sometimes I think it's your anxiety

That's what you do, you go straight for the sun I just cook out there You just cook out for a while. You, you know, you feel you hurt yourself with the sun and then you feel better. I do got to admit, though, this tour schedule is way better than the last one. Man. The Colorado thing? Maybe the last fall we did last year where we did 30 shows in like 44 days.

This is like... It's a little lighter. It's a little lighter. Oh, last year's. Last year's was... Yeah, that was pretty epic. Or what about that one at the beginning of the summer? Oh, Colorado 14 shows in 16 days.

And then we drove like seven hours and we drove back to play like an hour away from it. Oh, the summer tour was fucking horrible. We went as far away from Telluride as we could and then we drove back to Telluride. Yeah, the problem with these fucking radius clauses is you can't play in these cities. So like our agent,

we've already played everywhere this year and we had to hold some dates because we're playing here, all these shows in the fall. So he's like put us in like, you know, wherever he can. So shout out to John. Shout out to John. He just broke up the band.

He just broke up the band that year. He does it because he knows we can handle it. Yeah. No, but no. Remember the Hamptons? That was the crackdown That was the breakdown We were just tired

We played a lot It was like 14 shows in 16 days I don't know what it was It was like a war That was the one That was the one where we were crisscrossing a lot I remember after the show of the Hamptons I was smoking a cigarette

I'm like, God, this band is going to break up tonight We're screaming at each other We're throwing shit We worked it out And you know how we did that? Cracked a couple beers, ate a couple hot dogs Went to Burger King It was Burger King

Shout out to Burger King We put on Burger King crowds We're kings again,. We all got it. We put on Burger King crap. We're kings again, guys. We all got long chickens. Yeah, yeah. Keeping bands together. Burger King.

Lives were up. I was talking with Bahamas. He was not digging the tour life. Maybe he needs to tour the Bahamas. Yeah. He's a hot guy. Remember when we used to play Bahamas in the car There was a whole summer Where that song was constantly played

You could tell if I'm sad driving When Lost in the Light comes out Oh yeah he's just staring out the window Being free and being all night Driving just Everybody else is asleep And we don't know what he's sad about Because he never had a girlfriend

Until recently He's sad about because he never had a girlfriend until recently. He's sad about your tour schedule. Maybe they're out of that style to make you. Yeah, he really wanted those Nikes. The Lakers lost. He's just like fucking crying. What sad music do you listen to?

The Bahamas. That's sad music? Well, he writes some sad songs, man. He's got some good ass sad be. He writes some sad ass songs, man. He's got some good ass sad songs. I know, yeah. I definitely dig him. I wonder what your version of sad music is. What type of music are you playing with your side projects, Floyd? What side projects are you playing?

I'm mixing stuff for people. I've got to admit. It's all kinds of stuff. How many IPAs does this man drink? He gets work done He has a parent-teacher conference at 8am In the morning after tonight You have a parent-teacher conference?

Tomorrow? So what's going to happen? What's going to happen is At 7am I'm going to crack a beer for him He's ready for this time We are two days We have slept for 48 hours So we're gonna be up

Till 6am for sure Oh yeah Especially the Zen Bar We're at the Zen Bar Yeah it's an hour away from here So we gotta drive there Oh great And then when we get there

We're like Yeah this place is cool Summer camp I love it Floyd's gonna go make a fire Yep It's good Somewhere when he's

Getting the last log on the fire His phone's going to ring It's going to be that Zoom meeting How's Bo doing? I haven't checked up on him He's doing alright He has his own production office today at this venue So he's away from us So I think he's doing great

It's like a Bo green room I wonder if he's pretending like he's working But he's actually just watching porn I think of that all the time Or he's just playing a video actually just watching porn You know what I think of that all the time But I don't think he Or he's just like playing a video game on his laptop Sitting in the front like What is he playing Call of Duty I don't know

He's fucking working his ass off He's emailing people He wishes he was playing Call of Duty It's not like he's really working Like we walk in and he's like oh wait He's always working Have you seen the picture on his phone? Are they about to start?

Cool Cool Cool just hit the stage If you can hear him The picture on his phone Is himself in the mirror With his shirt off And we're like, what the hell? It's motivation because he thinks he's fat He thinks he's fat

But he's buff. He thinks he's fat. But he's buff. We need to get him out of that vibe. Both buff. Okay, Cool Cool Cool is on. They did. We're going to have a great show. We got Bahamas.

We got Alfie from Bahamas on the show. Do you want to say the pitch for Bahamas? You've listened to Bahamas. Bahamas. It sounds like he's this solo guy. What's his name? Alfie. Alfie. I mean, I remember Lost in the Light and what's the...

I've got all the time in the world. That song is fucking sick. He produces everything by himself. It sounds like he plays all the instruments or something. Or if he doesn't, he... But I don't know if he does, but I fucking love it. His voice is huge. He's a ripping guitar player.

A couple songs I've heard and loosely heard some albums. He's a bad motherfucker. I like it a lot. Very cool voice. Very cool voice. Very cool voice. All right, guys. Enjoy Alfie. I'll do the promo plugs and do the intro when Cool Cool Cool is offstage.

But we love you. We got tour dates. What's next week? We have Richmond on Thursday. Or we have Richmond on Wednesday. Thursday we have Philadelphia, Broken Bowl. Friday, Saturday. Two nights, Brooklyn Bowl. Thursday, we have Philadelphia. Broken Bowl. Friday, Saturday. Two nights, Brooklyn Bowl!

We're definitely not sleeping for those 48 hours. Well, listen. Let's go. New York, baby! New York! Alright. Enjoy Bahamas and we're going to go get ready for this show. Alright. Don't fuck up, Floyd. Hey, guys.

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We got to get out of here because... That went fast. I'm always at a loss for words. Always struggling to understand hers. I always cut my love up into thirds and leave you with nothing i don't want to wear no muzzle i don't want to cause no trouble i don't wanna have to struggle with the truth I don't wanna cause no stress I don't wanna make no mess I don't wanna live with less than now

And everything that's left unsaid What's up, Alfie? How you doing, bud? Very good, very good. How are you? And everything that's left unsaid All the books I bought for my bread Thank God, I got a chance to see my head I'm good, man, I'm good. Where you at, Nova Scotia? Nova Scotia, you ever been out here? Is that like far east, like kind of near Fredericton? It's even further than Fredericton. It's sort of the eastern most province of mainland Canada

basically if you went to Maine and you kept going you'd go through New Brunswick you'd go through Fredericton and to get to Nova Scotia you have to go through this little narrow channel of land but it's basically like um it's almost an island you know it's just around the whole thing's just surrounded by water and we're uh it's you know a couple hour flight to uh london england it's easier for me to get to london england it is to get to la or new york or nashville anyway i should be touring over there more frankly yeah we gotta get your ass out there to london but it'd probably be cheaper yeah what exactly man what do you like about isolation um yeah well i'm not a terribly social person at the best of times you know i think a lot of musicians are probably like that right you get there's that

whole introverted extroverted thing um and i like performing and i like playing shows and i like being with other musicians but i'm not huge on the crowds or the big cities and stuff. So we moved out here a few years ago just for a different lifestyle for my family life. I definitely, there was no professional reason to move out here. That's for sure. But there, there are great musicians out here. That being said, you know, there's just people doing all kinds of really cool things. I'm just not terribly connected to it. I don't have my ear to the ground.

And, and yeah, so when I'm things. I'm just not terribly connected to it. I don't have my ear to the ground. When I'm here, it's not really music-focused. It's usually just about being outside, being with my children. This weekend, we're surfing and we're on the beach every day. I like to get into their world more than I, you know, I spend enough time in my own world. Yeah. Do you need that balance in your life to feel secure and have a full plate of happiness? I mean, I think so.

I wish I could say I had the whole thing figured out. If someone else has, please let me know what the solution is. But yeah, I think, I think never any regrets. out if someone else has please let me know what the solution is but um yeah i think i think never any regrets like the times when i can go into you know make myself available for them whether it's uh just playing in the surf or or playing with barbies or you know just entering their world that's that's much you know no regrets, right? Right. The things always get challenging when I'm like, you need to come and do the thing that I want to do. Right.

That's usually when it's challenging, right? Right, exactly. And do you feel like you have to do that or can you have two separate lives or do you travel so much that you feel like you need your family there? I'm sort of spoiled. You know, I get to do a bit of both i mean my family has come with me a fair bit on tour and they are dangerously comfortable in my world they love the doritos and they love you know the the laminates and all that stuff and right um so you have to balance that right

it's like you got to go to some shows and not always be backstage and uh and that can be a big that can be a hard lesson to learn as a child you know but it's a worthy one it's my job as their as a parent to kind of put them through all that i hear that do you do you like touring or does it kind of you kind of burnt out from it um if i'm being honest i'm totally burnt out right now. Yeah. You could be on, I'm in a band too, man. I've been doing this 20 years as well. So yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty cooked right now.

We had a busy summer and just to have other things going on in my life that are, that are taxing. And so yeah, right now I'm pretty cooked. I mean, I love the performing. I love the playing. But that's the smallest part. As you know, it's the smallest part of the day, really. There's just so much buildup to get to that thing. And then maybe you get to play for an hour or two hours or whatever. And I'm only grateful for that time I get to spend on stage and with musicians.

And so I've tried to, in the last six seven years it's kind of become a non-negotiable for me to like have a additional back line wherever we go even if it's a fly date we just rent extra gear that lives in the dressing room um just so we can make more of the day about music and my band everybody's just kind of floating in and out of the dressing room. And we do have like scheduled time. That's like rehearsal, but I just kind of love the camaraderie and the vibe of like the locker room, but the hang is like, you know, I'll jump behind the drums and play a little bit and we'll, we'll just kind of like hang out and rid each other. And, and, um, you know,

just, just the joking around and the camaraderie kind of means as much to me as the show does at this point, you know, just to, just to hang out with like the social aspect of it is, is, is, is big for me too. Yeah, I agree, man. I mean, like that's, that's the hardest part of the gig is doing the eight hour drives, waiting, sitting around and waiting for this one fucking one and a half hour

fucking show. It's like, you feel like you're wasting your life away in a sense you know so it's like yeah well i suddenly i kind of understand why bruce springsteen plays for like seven and a half hours or whatever he does it's like i feel that dude it's like everyone's like isn't it amazing isn't it amazing that he plays it's like well yeah but he doesn't do anything else and playing is kind of the funnest part you know what i mean and not to take anything away from his performances it's like sure it's impressive or whatever but it's like music is the thing that actually makes you energized like it's not like i come off stage

and go right to bed like i'm i'm amped up even though my music is kind of boring and chill or whatever it's like when i come off stage i'm like pretty pretty amped and usually that you know so your whole schedule kind of shifts to accommodate that that time on stage and how that kind of influences your energy and everything throughout the day so yeah i don't know i think if if i was in a position to have everything catered to like um yeah i would just play more music and in fact like i said earlier i'm trying to gear more of my touring life to be just about music whether it's on stage or backstage or offstage or whatever you know yeah and like you know you get the dopamine rush after you play a

gig let's let's get that fucking dopamine rush at 2 p.m let's start playing matinee shows bud dude i'm doing it i'm doing that on this tour we're doing matinee every i love it i mean that i'm doing on saturdays and sundays we're doing matinees and if you buy a ticket you get you know you you get basically it's a buy one get one free kids under 12 are free and seniors are free and we're just trying to like um take advantage of that time man we're there we're set up we're ready to go like instead of just doing an hour-long sound check, let's just do another show at 4 o'clock and no opening act.

Just show up at 3.45. Show starts at 4. It's over by 5. You're home for dinner. It's my dream show. Yeah, same, dude. I love that show. I'm a day person. I can't fuck with the night. Staying up all night. Were you ever do you ever get into like, were you ever a guy who was like,

got into like drug abuse or anything? Did too much blow or drank too much or were you that type of dude? Definitely drank too much. Definitely. Yeah. You definitely drank too much, but I didn't, I wasn't like, um, I didn't discriminate between night and day. I was, I would, I would drink during the day and stuff. That's, that's, that's all good. But I certainly feel better. I don't, uh, don't do that too much anymore. Um, but no, the drug thing, other than like, you know, I'm, I'm loving this whole, like whatever's going on with the CBD and like, fucking gummies and stuff now. Cause it's like, you can get the chillest, you can get things that are so like, I don't even know if I feel anything. I think I feel

something. And it's like, that's the level of high that I kind of look for these days. Right. Um, and it's amazing that there's all these products now and shit, you can order through the mail and stuff's crazy. But no, I, uh, my brother is a drug addict or recovering addict. And, um, you know, there's other people in my life that kind of have gone through that. And there's, there's, there's no part of me that, I mean, I have a lot of empathy and, and, uh, understanding for people in that position. But for me, it's like, I'm just not drawn to it at all. It's really like, as you know,

it takes over your life. Doesn't matter if you're a musician or a fucking banker or whatever. It's like, you know, it takes over your life. It doesn't matter if you're a musician or a fucking banker or whatever. It's like, you know, it makes the, it makes the party better, but it's only because you're robbing joy from the future. You're just robbing joy from the next day. Right. It's like you wake up with a hangover and you're like, Oh, did I, like, are you thinking or something? That was worth it. I had fun last night, very rarely, very rarely, never, almost never. You know what I mean?

What about it's like your wedding night or something never. Very rarely. Very rarely. Never. Almost never. You know what I mean? What about... Unless it's like your wedding night or something. I don't know. Exactly. What about what was making you drink earlier in your life? I think I maybe am someone who has like a natural... I like it. I love it.

You know what I mean? Like I go on a fishing trip and this dumb one busted a bottle of bourbon. And the next thing you know, that bottle's gone. There's a second bottle. And then, or you're at a nice, you know, you're at a nice restaurant, you're drinking wine and you start, you start to justify all this stuff by drinking nicer wine. And then, you know, maybe like, I'm not sure, maybe six, seven years ago, I had, I'd started to have a little bit of success and, you know, I'd gone from feeling like I was just like nonstop paddling, just trying to like

stay afloat to suddenly some of the, my back catalog and songs and stuff were doing a little bit of work for me. And they started to come from behind and lift me up a little bit. And I started to think, wow, like, you know, things are going good. And right when I should have just like stayed on the path of being focused on work, I kind of allowed myself to just reward myself. I'm like, oh, you work hard, buddy. Like you deserve it. And you just start like, you know, you start drinking wine and then you buy like instead of buying like a $12 bottle of wine, you buy like a $30 bottle of wine and you sort of like, Oh, you know,

you just, or you're, you're, you're like you make it about some rare bottle of bourbon that you can only get at the Louisville airport or something like that. And you know what I mean? It's like, we all go through this process or I shouldn't say all of us, but most people who drink go through some sort of rationalization process. And it usually starts with like, Oh, well, I can have one drink. I'll be, you know, I can have one and I'll be fine tomorrow. And then, you know, I can have two, I'll have two drinks.

I'll stay up for one more. And then, oh, geez, I can, you know, I can drink six pack. I can drink two bottles of wine. Like it's just this creeping thing that happens over time. And then the next thing you know it's just like totally normal to be drinking two bottles of wine at night or whatever you know and um and again for some people that that that that works for them and they're able to carry it like good on you no judgment but for me it was just like it kind of took over and i i just was like a grumpier

shittier version of myself yeah were you becoming an asshole productive were you coming an asshole or what kind of yeah kind of and to the people that i care about the most you know what i mean you don't want to wake up like not there for your for your family and stuff and for the people that kind of depend on you in that in that way so um thankfully i never it never went too too far but it certainly went far enough for me to realize that it just wasn't working for me in that level. And my wife, she doesn't take bullshit like that. She'd call me out on it. Yeah.

Why do we do that to ourselves? Why do we trash the relationships that we love the most and then we just have these fake happiness for all this fake monumental moments with these relationships that don't really matter. But we'll definitely try to self-sabotage the relationships that mean so much to us. Well, geez, I think there's so many questions within that. There's the eternal question about being a human being and what does it mean to be here and alive and you know all that cliche

stuff that's all relevant and then there's what it means to you versus what it means to me versus what it means to someone else but um yeah i think that um you know, like I think most of us have been in a situation where you find yourself kind of opening up to a complete stranger, whether it's a taxi driver or someone you're meeting. Why? Why are you doing that? Well, because there's no, there's no, there's not there. There's nothing there.

There's no, you're not emotionally responsible to this person at all. And so you can kind of show this person all the darkest parts of yourself, you know, the, the gnarliest things that you think you can kind of bear that. And you can, you know, you can pay someone,

you can go to a therapist and do that, or you can just like do it in a bar next to a stranger or do it in a taxi cab or whatever. And. Or do it in your songs just like do it in a bar next to a stranger or do it in a taxi cab or whatever and or do it in your songs um or do it in your songs i certainly do i certainly do i mean songs are have been always always a vehicle for that for me you know so i'm grateful to have that as an outlet um and as a way of kind of explaining the world and explaining my thought process and all that stuff. It's huge, you know, it's huge. And I think most, most art is like that. You're trying to express some idea as corny as that sounds. It's like, you're trying to make sense of something. Right.

And that's what other people are relating to, Right. That's why we all have those songs. And I don't know what it is for you, but it's just like sometimes I'll hear a song and I'll think, how the hell is this person singing about me, about my life, about the exact feeling that I'm having or the situation human connection and you know ironically like the more detailed and personal i can be about my life that's the thing that ends up kind of connecting with someone else because they're going through that same thing you know yeah you know you realize that the human experience is not that unique everyone goes through the same experience if we just fucking just be honest and vulnerable with our feelings. Which is difficult to do. I mean, we're all performing, right? On and off, you know?

Exactly. That's why people don't want to hear about the burnout. Yeah, well, frankly, I don't want to hear about it either, man. I'm kind of burnt out of being burnt out you know i hear you bro i fucking hear you same it's it's like um you know then there's part of me that's kind of like well hey man that's just the road that's the gig you know that's like that's the choice and um i probably if i'm being generous i can probably think it doesn't matter if you're a firefighter or a banker or whatever like after you've been doing something for a long time and you have some

proclivity or or you know talent or or a skill that you've developed over time it's really the challenge becomes not taking it for granted right and still finding ways to be excited about it and still finding ways to be curious and further developing your skills and um so yeah i think that like like i said i think it probably that's not exclusive to being a musician or an artist i think that's just. And that's why people have midlife crisis and buy a Porsche or whatever. Right. Cause they, they're at that crossroads and they're like,

I don't, I can't figure out how to go in that direction. So I'm just going to go in this other thing. That's really big. I'm going to have an affair or I'm going to like build a golf simulator in my garage. And you know what I mean? It's like,

you just do these complete like left turns and um yeah so uh i i usually like the last three or four albums like i'm i tend to gravitate towards musicians that are often 20 30 years older than i am because i find they have sort of like just this quiet confidence about them and that, that really, I benefit a lot from like, you know, there's no core progression that I'm going to show them that they're going to be like, Whoa, what's going on here. Right. Um, it's like, they're just, um, they're just relaxed. Their shoulders are kind of down and they're like looking in the eyes and they,

you know, shake your hand and just like, all right, let's get some work done. You know, like everyone's psyched to be in the room and that has a real calming effect. I feel like on the whole session.

And, um, yeah, I certainly benefit from that as a singer and as a performer, just to be around people who have that quality, you know? Totally. And like,

um, you know, talking about like who have that quality you know totally and like um you know talking about like that idea of you know open vessel theory of when the songs come to you has it been easier for you to just like get songs out later in your life versus when you're just paddling paddling trying to write a hit instead instead of putting your shoulders down and saying, okay, the confidence level inside yourself? I think I just don't worry about it as much anymore. I trust the process and I enjoy the process.

It's like a puzzle. When you get that kernel of a lyric or something or a riff or some melody and you can tell that there's something there and it's not quite clear. Is it a whole song? Is it just a verse? Is it an idea that you should maybe take that lyrical idea and find a different melody or a better melody for it? It's like the puzzle, solving that puzzle is really so fun.

And it's kind of the most selfish part of what I do and probably what most songwriters do, right? It's like, there's no one else here. It's just me and this idea. And it's like, I still love that process. And so more and more, it's just about making time and being available to sort of pursue that idea when it comes, right? Because you can't, that's the thing is like, you're not really in charge of when the idea comes. I love the idea of being Paul Simon and like going to the Braille building at 10 a.m. and like, you know, working on tunes.

I've heard Jerry Seinfeld does that, right? He sits down at the desk and he works from 10 to 11, whether he gets anything done or not, he works, you know, working on tunes or I've heard Jerry Seinfeld does that, right? He sits down at the desk and he works from 10 to 11, whether he gets anything done or not, he works, you know, and a lot of people that use that method. And for me, it's, it's much more just like when I'm out doing something, that's, when I'm not thinking about it, that's generally when the idea comes, right? When you're just, you're sitting at a, in a room full of crowded people and something, some idea just comes to you or you overhear someone say something and that inspire

you know or you're out for a walk definitely movement i mean there's movement is huge for me in terms of inspiring creativity and there's a reason why those greek guys were walking around in their togas they invented math and they invented music and shit. You know, it's like walking and movement really kind of like stimulates something in the brain, definitely for me and I think for a lot of people. So, yeah, I think just staying in pursuit of that thing is the goal. And with music, it's kind of wonderful because like i play guitar and you know there's no bottom to the well there's no like all right we're done we know everything there is to know right it's like it's that uh such a satisfying um endeavor because it's like

well there's only 12 notes and there's there's always new ways to play them and put them together and and uh if you're if you're sick of rock music you can play country music and if you're sick of country music you play bluegrass music and you know what i mean it's like there's just so much there it's like um my record collection and most people's record collection it's like i mean i guess there's some people who only have metal records or whatever, but I like all kinds of different stuff exactly for that purpose

because it's all music, but it sort of takes you to all these different places. So when is the metal Bahamas record coming out, Alfie? Dude, man, I have this fantasy of doing that someday. like it should dude it'd be so sick dude what's stopping you i just like if i'm being totally honest man i have like

my hearing is like i'm like batman like i could hear your pants rustling right now on the zoom call so like between your thighs the fabric so volume for me is like such a weird thing and which tends to be why my records are chill and why my live show is kind of on the quieter side of things it's like that's just the dynamic range that i live in that being said like a year ago i did a tour with dawes and they were my band and i played in their band and we just did this tour where we all we played each other's music, you know, for like two and a half hours every night,

just trading back and forth. They backed you up. And those guys like, yeah, they backed me up and then I would play in their band. Exactly. And it was super fun. And like,

I wore earplugs for the entire tour because it was like, to me, it may as well have been like, you know, mega death. Like it was like to me it may as well have been like you know mega death like it was so loud and uh nuts the first couple shows it kind of was adjusting to it and then once i got into it i was like wow this just has like another gear that i just didn't really access before and so i kind of finished that tour being pretty inspired you know because i was like wow there's

just all this music that lives in this dynamic range that i don't really touch like i barely touch it right and these guys live in that world most of the time and they might every once in a while they'll come down to where i'm at and it's like this um dynamic like musical altitude or something like that right it's like yeah if you're able to kind of explore the whole spectrum well again there's just more music there available to you right and and when i think about it like a lot of the guys that i like especially when i was younger you know guys like neil young or something neil young can crush it solo on an acoustic guitar and then in the same show like just dime the amp and like rock it with crazy horse and it can just tear your head off.

And I've actually been at those shows before. And it's like, it's just such a huge world as a, as a spectator to just be like, wow, you know, we're going everywhere right now. Did you like hearing your songs? Did you like hearing your songs and that element, that little, that, that louder rock feel, or did you feel like,

I loved it. Yeah. Fucking awesome. I love it. It's awesome. I loved it. It was so cool. I'm trying to figure out how to do that with my band,

my road band. And, um, they're all great musicians, but yeah, they all kind of, you know, they went to jazz school and they kind of live in this like quieter world.

Right. And, and so it's like, well, how do we kind of pop out of that every once in a while and just go, go for it? You know, what's that other gear that we can like kick in when we get to like the six,

seven minute of a tune and you want that tune to keep going and, and growing energetically. It's like often volume. You into jam bands just like in the last 45 minutes man like i just discovered that band um goose yeah i just discovered them like really recently i heard one of their songs and i was like this is a cool song and then i sort of clicked on the next youtube thing and that was a cool song and then i got one of their albums on my phone and i started listening to that and um so it's kind of been like a bit of a gateway drug to other jam bands and i guess you could say more classic jam bands like the dead and and all that stuff it's but um yeah so it's only

recently it's only recently that i'm kind of entering that world. Growing up, growing up in Canada, isn't it so hard to break a Canadian band in America? Like, do you feel like that was part of the process of when you talk about you've been paddling for so long, like it had finally hit, like it's gotta be tough. It's huge. It's really, it's's really huge i don't know if it's any harder than breaking an american event in america yeah but certainly like when you think

of it canada is roughly the population or i should say california the population california is bigger than all of canada yeah so if you you know if you're a band that says well i'm only gonna work in canada it's like you're sort of you you're just saying, well, this is the, there's a ceiling to how much you can kind of do, right? And there are some great Canadian bands that I'm sure you've never heard of that only tour in Canada. And to me, they might mean a lot and they're on the radio here and everything. But, you know, they'll play Satellite Lounge or they'll play the Mercury Lounge

or something in New York. It's like, it doesn't really translate um for whatever reason so um for me yeah it was pretty important to try and get down there to play first before i had a label or anything i just wanted to play just want to play you know down there and i before i had my own music i played as a as a side musician in other bands and i got to tour all over the world and got to experience that and that was sort of like wow like if i am if i'm ever going to do my own thing like i gotta try and do it this way because it's just there's just more options when you do it that way yeah and um so i really benefited from just having a lot of my formative years as a

professional musician it wasn't about my music. It was, I was just like in someone else's band and they paid for the plane tickets and they played for the hotel rooms and all that. And I got to have a lot of, you know, even though it was only making whatever, a little bit of money or something, I got to have all those experiences in my twenties and stuff when, um, like it felt like the pressure was on well it's not that it's more like i got to do things that were like there was there was a lot of pressure but it wasn't necessarily

directly on me right it was like i was supporting someone else and trying to just make their thing the best it could be and so you know getting to play SNL or the Grammys or something like that and experience that when it was more about someone else's project was, I think I benefited a lot from that, you know? Yeah, totally. And I heard in Canada, they give grants to musicians. They do. What's the deal with that? That's fucking awesome. Like what?

Just so you can like go and follow your dream, you know? It is awesome. What, like what, just so you can like go and follow your dream, you know? Um, it is awesome. And I've certainly benefited a little bit with that, especially in the early days when I was taking a van to America and you're like on an opening tour and maybe you're getting paid 500 bucks. Yeah. You know,

it's, it's challenging to, to figure out how are we going to like pay everybody and get them hotel rooms and everything. So it's nice when you have a little access to some grant money for that but um you know it's it's like any sort of subsidy i think it there there can be a lot of abuse too right there's a lot of bands who really have no business touring anymore they're not selling any tickets and they're on their seventh or eighth or nine album

and they're like going on tour essentially just to collect the subsidy. Right. Right. And so, um, yeah, so it's sort of, uh,

I think, I think Canadians for the most part, you just accept that there's going to be a little, some of this type of abuse within the system, but ultimately it's for a greater good, you know, we're trying to, trying to just help people kind of make art and make, um,

you know, give them a leg up, I think is, uh, is the idea. But I think that exists in America. It's just more in private. It's not, it's not, uh, you know, government grants. It's just like, there's, there's arts endowments and there's like private things that, you know, I've certainly heard of people kind of applying for recording grants and things like that too. But in Canada, it's mostly, um, it's mostly like, in fact, the weirder your music, the more likely you're going to get a grant, you know?

Hell yeah. I want to do a road trip through the Rocky Rocky mountains and I want to like write songs about the geological formations and there's not going to be any lyrics and it's going to, you know, we're going to use all these instruments that like don't exist anymore or whatever. It's like, those are the types of things that tend to get funding in a weird way, you know? Yeah. And ironically, like, you know, the guys like the Drake and the weekend and they don't need,

they don't need our help you know what i mean like canada has long produced um artists of very high caliber that that were over represented in in hollywood as you know and in music like canada has always whether it's feist or neil young or joni mitchell or or like it's just we've always kind of been cranking artists out you know I'm not I don't know that it's necessary in some ways like but the Canadian music business itself definitely

wouldn't exist without subsidies yeah and like they're not worried about like draw they're like that that geological Colorado band probably got like a two you know two pre-sales or something and they're just rolling. They're like, we're not worried about that.

We just want your music out. Why did music change like that? Because that was the beginning. That's what music was about, being creative, not trying to chase the rabbit's tail. I feel like nowadays, the music industry is just like,

everyone's just trying to step on each other's toes and do the same fucking thing or at least that's what's getting the money you know one band gets famous and then the label signs five bands that that sound like that it's like do you ever get caught in that trap of trying to sound like someone or are you always

Alfie I I don't know I mean I don't know. I mean, I don't, I don't actively try to pursue like copying someone else, but you know, I certainly have done that in the past. And in fact, when I stopped doing that, I feel like my own songs, suddenly my songwriting was more interesting. Um, it was, it's just more authentic quote-unquote and uh you know it just it just

feels better to sing like lost in the light i can still sing that song 10 years later 15 years later and still like it because i still like it you know what i mean like i still like singing it it still feels good um and that's because it's mine it wasn't trying to like chase something else or chase a trend or whatever you know so um yeah i mean i think the the long answer is just like the music business there is the potential to strike oil and like be a bazillionaire. And so as soon as you have an industry that has that potential, you're going to attract a lot of different types of people. Right.

And not all those people, those people will all be coming with different motivations and different intentions. And, um, uh, when we left Toronto, like I, we considered Los Angeles and we considered some different places and and ultimately I ended up moving to a place that made it more difficult for me to tour and yeah yeah and that it was you know I've it was an active decision right like I I on one hand it would be the best thing to be in Nashville or in LA in terms of my career. I would love to be there. And touring with the Dawes guys and just hearing about their lifestyle and saying,

Hey, on a Tuesday night, you get a phone call and there's this rad thing happening in a warehouse space in Echo Park. And it's just all the coolest musicians. And there's just some rad thing that's happening. And you only really can be a part like the coolest musicians and there's just some rad thing that's happening. And you, you only really can be a part of that if you're there, there's no like booking a flight and flying in for that. Right.

Right. And so when you hear about that sort of stuff, I always feel like, damn, that sounds rad. Like that would be rad. But, um, I just,

yeah, I just don't think I'm trying to figure out a way to work less. Yeah. I'm going to clap to that, Alfie. Let's go. You've already done your shit, bro. You paddled, you paddled, you paddled. It's time to enjoy it, bro. That's what I was going to say.

During the pandemic, you did that show from your house, that studio show. You must have loved that because you didn't have to tour. Tell me a little bit about that. How it got started. That sounds like

the dream, bro. It was the dream. It was the opposite of money making. It's just like hemorrhage money for two years. It was fun. Yeah. I've never been like super up on the social

media game and my manager would you know they've been bugging me for years like hey you know we should post more on instagram or do this or do that and i just never do anything like my instagram was just like boring for so long. It was like, this is the show. This is the date. This is the venue. This is the time. You know what I mean?

It was just the most pedantic thing. And then when we were all locked up, it really forced me to say, well, geez, this is the only way for me to connect with people. How am I going to do that? this is the only way for me to connect with people how am i going to do that and i had watched a few of the live streams like early in the in the lockdown and it was like neil young and like other artists that i loved and it was like within 45 seconds i was so bored yeah it's like i can't believe i'm like whatever neil young's doing is just not translating through the zoom or whatever right it's like musically it's

really hard to kind of connect that way for me and i just thought i'm not going to do that so then it was like well what else could we do and i started working with this guy here jason who's an amazing filmmaker and he you know there wasn't much going on in the movie business either so he was suddenly available and had the skills and the tools and everything. And, and really just like him and I worked together, um, two,

three days a week, um, just making stuff and making videos. And some of them were humorous and other stuff was musical and other stuff was like, just like fitness related stuff. It was a little bit of a reality TV show that we had going on there for a couple of years,

but it was fun. And I, and I realized that like, if I don't have to do the posting and I don't have to interact with anybody, it's like, I just get the fun of making stuff. Yeah.

Like the same thing. And suddenly, yeah, it's just becomes another vehicle for making art. And so once I made that mental shift and realized that, wow, this is just a great vehicle for me to express more ideas, suddenly it was like, I don't know, it was really exciting and a whole new thing. Right. So, yeah, it was a lot of fun and got to sort of like dip my toe into acting a little bit which is did you like it interesting and i mean i sort of just have like one mode which is kind of just like you know goofy you know dad

like dad who proclaims to know everything about like generators and garden houses and stuff like that seems to be my just like jason bateman style arrested development mode or whatever i don't know but um let's don't but yeah i mean i'm much playing music is more fun yeah i'm grateful that you know things are open opened up again and we can tour and stuff it's um that comes more naturally and that then to me then you know being filmed, and that's why I want to get back to like Sad Hunk. I fucking love that record, bud. Great record. What was going on in your head during Half Your Love?

That song is fucking sad as fuck, bro. It's fucking good. Actually, that's like one of the... Yeah, well, thank you. It's one of the only tunes I co-wrote with... I went to Nashville to like write, uh, for other artists and I just bombed. I just like totally blew it. I mean, I was in like writer's rooms.

Did you like those writer's rooms? I do those a lot. Sometimes it's hit or miss, you know? Did you? Yeah. Um, I feel like I would be better at it now. I feel like the first, that first weekend I was like a long weekend and we were, we did like a, you know, two or three sessions a day. And, um, and I just didn't really get it.

I didn't really understand that it's kind of a volume proposition, right? There's no, there's no bad ideas. Like you're just kind of like, yeah, throwing stuff out, trying to try to make, make a connection, you know? And, and what I realized like the thing that I thought was like too cheesy or not even worth saying was often the thing that like someone else would kind of, wow, that's amazing. And that, that'll lead them on a whole road. We might not even use that lyric that I came up with, but it might be the thing that ends up inspiring the actual thing,

you know so i feel like i would do better at it now if i had another chance at it but um anyway i we i was there to write for other people and then i was in a room with this guy d white and and dan mclaughlin and um and uh we started working on this idea and by the end of the couple hours, we had this song. And I was like, I like this song. I don't want to give this song to anyone else. I want to sing this song. This song's about me.

Yeah, exactly. This is my song. I felt very possessive and I felt this ownership over it. So I don't know. I think it would be kind of hard. If I actually wrote a song that I felt that way about, it would be hard to just give it to someone else. Yeah, I was talking to Brent Cobb about that yesterday.

Brent Cobb wrote songs for fucking every country star and Miranda Lambert. How do you not, if you wrote a great song that's so vulnerable to yourself, how do you not just fucking keep that for yourself and not just give it to someone else to sing it?

I think it's a different skill set. I think most of the guys who are the top, top writers, you've never even heard of them. They're crazy successful and they just have this whole other career. Again, I think it's probably like any business.

It's like there's the skill portion and then there's the hang portion, right? It's like if you're someone that people just love being around, that'll get you pretty far in life in the music business or in any other business. It's like you'd have to be like pretty um pretty pretty consistently like producing number one hits to just be an asshole it's like most of the people who have been in that game for a long time it's like they're just good people yeah like fuck this

they're like hey we're like we're working on a song like let's get let's get so and so because he's an awesome hang like that's just a great person to be around like that's that's my experience anyway so are you an awesome yeah i think um i don't think it's for me to say that's kind of like asking me to like give me give me give myself my own nickname you know what i mean it's like someone else has to give you a nickname when i was like when i was young i was like super into skateboarding stuff and i and i i was i always thought like shorty would be a cool nickname yeah because like this some some skaters that i like kind of had that nickname and i was like and i was like just like how do i get people to call me shorty it's like no it's never gonna happen you know my name's fucking weird as it is and it's why and uh there's no nicknames you know i hear that

let's talk about boot cover a second um what was the process like how'd you feel were you what what was your were you burnt out during the state of mind are you feeling good coming into the record i was it was feeling good i i am like during the lockdowns i had recorded remotely as part of this video series that we did we we work with musicians that's how i met the dawes guys we did a session with them in la and i was here in nova scotia and we kind of played together and then stitched it together and then i did one in nashville and and you know other places and i just really enjoyed that so anyway the one i did I did in Nashville with these old timers, the whole thing was just so relaxed and, um,

they just played so great and really just understood. And, and in fact, I realized after it's like, that's the way those guys have been cutting records forever is just off the charts. Right. Right. Like that's literally how they do it is one you know they do the national number system and they make a chart and we play the song once or twice and that was it that was the whole thing and so um as soon as we did that session i was like wow that was really cool like if i went down there and recorded with them like i feel like that would really just be something special and so i started to write songs

with that in mind and just started to pick other songs that i had already written that might fit well with that type of band and um yeah so i don't i don't know that i ever said to my manager or anybody like i want to make a country record per se. Um, but you know, I suppose I should have known better, like going down to Nashville and having pedal steel and just, it was pretty hard not to go in that direction, you know, but, um, but yeah, I think a lot of artists do that either knowingly or unknowingly, you know, Neil Young and Bob Dylan and Ray Charles and so many people have just gone to nashville to work there because it's an amazing place to work the caliber of musicians

is incredible the studios are all there like all the infrastructure for making cool stuff is there and obviously la has that too right it's like and i've made records in la with great musicians so it is you know it's awesome to go to a place like that and just really immerse yourself in that uh culture and that vibe for me it was like for four days we recorded for four days and how many songs i think we did 18 18 songs up in four days these guys are pros dude these guys are just like fucking machines over there dude it. It's crazy. It really is. They're really just so calibrated for that type of working, you know? What's the difference between like, what's the difference?

Because you've done the big studios, you've done the Nashville stuff. Then you've also done these cabin recordings. Which ones do you like better? I don't know if I could pick. Like I have another record in the can that i made last winter um just here i have a cottage about an hour from here it's on the ocean and it's like just tucked away it feels real remote even though it's only an hour away and there's i discovered there's a studio out there this guy has really tight little studio it's like basically the size

of his shit he's got a drum kit it's all mic'd up he's got a piano it really sounds really nice and you know so just the two of us in there i'd go down there for a day or two and we'd work and um we just made this record like layering it up you know as opposed to playing live off the floor kind of thing right and that was really fun and we you know we'd get one or two songs a day and kind of just like, I would play, he'd play drums and I'd play everything else. And we would kind of layer it up that way. And that was really fun. And it's awesome. You know, it's close to your home. You got that cottage there. It must've been nice to not like feel like you're a visitor in these towns. Like you could just like feel like you're at home, right? Yeah, exactly.

You've been doing this forever and I get burnt out too. We all get burnt out. With understanding when we're burnt out is we are in control of our destiny. Even with all the other people

we have on our payroll and the managers and stuff, just don't forget that, Alfie. You are in fucking control. You are the fucking man, Alfie. You're the fucking song king. You're the fucking man, bro. So when it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? I mean, as cheesy as it sounds, I think professionally, certainly the songs.

You know, After Love, Lost in the Light, like songs like that. I just I am immensely proud of those songs and the fact that they kind of work their way into people's lives means a lot to me. It does. And in fact, it means the longer that it goes on and the fact that that's still happening. It's just it touches me even more deeply. It sounds so cheesy to say that, but Lost in the Light, it's not really, like that song isn't relevant to me in the same way that when I wrote it, right?

In fact, it has nothing to do with my life anymore. So how is it that I'm still able to sing that song? It's because the songs are these living, breathing things and they kind of evolve the same way we all do. And I'm not the same person I was then and the song isn't the same thing it was then. But that being said, I run into people and they're like, oh, I used that song for my wedding song. Or I used that same song at my dad's funeral or something. You know what I mean? And to me, I'm like, that's insane.

The song has a life of its own. And it's flattering and it's sort of humbling when something that you've made kind of goes out into the world and takes on a life of its own. Right. So certainly as a, as a professional, I kind of like, that's the thing I'm most proud of is the songs and the records. And yeah, I mean, it's, I, I, I, I heard this cool interview with Paul McCartney. I think he was talking to Mark Maron. This was several years ago. And Mark Maron was obviously really psyched to be talking to one of the Beatles. He's talking to Paul McCartney and he can barely contain his enthusiasm.

And he's like, wow, how does it feel? Your songs have been so relevant for 70 years or whatever. They've been part of culture in such an immense way and paul's answer was basically like i mean we had no idea we were just making music right it's like i didn't know that people were going to care about my music when it came out or a year later or five years later or 10 years later or 20 or 40 years later right you know what i mean it's like that's sort of the ultimate version it's like in a way basically what he's saying is like you just it you just become on one hand you become removed from the song

as much as you wrote it and it's your song it's like the song just grows and just becomes so much bigger than you could ever be right right yesterday the song yesterday is so much bigger than paul mccartney yeah right paul mccartney was in the beatles but that song has just gone on to have a life that's infinitely bigger than than him as a person and and the cool part about that interview too was just like, you know, Marc Maron was asking him like, you know, this new album that you're promoting, like, is this like the best work you've ever done?

Is this the best songs? And Paul was just like, you know, that's really hard, Marc, because as you know, I was in the Beatles. Fucking nuts. And so, yeah, he just sort of has this self-awareness that like, yeah, that was insane. I was part of something that was just like a once in a lifetime lab coat that the technician was wearing when they recorded Sergeant Peppers. Oh, and, you know, like the amount of documentation about that group is just it's just it's incredible how much stuff there actually is.

Considering there was no iPhones or social media or whatever, it's like, there's more footage of those guys, you know, it's kind of like the Bible, really any, it's kind of like the Bible, the old Testament, a new Testament, you know what I mean?

It is, it is. And in a lot of ways it is, you know, so that's, that's, um, I think it's a good thing,

but anyway, uh, yeah, I do think the, the long answer is basically the songs. I hope the songs last. And then I have a whole world with my family and children and everything

that has nothing to do with music. And I sort of have other more personal aspirations there hoping that I nail it. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, bro. I guess time will tell. Well, it's kind of the same parallel as fatherhood. You don't really realize how big of a powerful thing it is to your kids. And then when

you're gone, the memories of you are how they grow into being adults. It's fucking wild. It's like the same thing as music, I think. We'll see. My father just wasn't around when I was a kid. Everything I'm doing as a parent is sort of like without any sort of firsthand experience.

I'm sort of learning a lot of this stuff as I go. Well, maybe that's why you're such a good father. Well, yeah, I hope so. Again, it's not for me to say. You know what I mean? It's something that they'll let me know in how it works out for them you know

so far it's worked for millennia it's got us to this point I just gotta move the ball that much further down the road we'll keep paddling through fatherhood buddy you're killing it cheers man I appreciate it

nice to meet you Alfred cheers bye Traveling to fatherhood, buddy. You're killing it. Cheers, man. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Nice to meet you, Al. Have a great day, buddy. Cheers. You too. Bye-bye. Bye. You tuned in to the World's Health Podcast with Andy Fresco.

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