Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 244: Brent Cobb

Episode Date: November 7, 2023

Show bard, Shawn presents a brand new BANGER of a what-if scenario. Andy Frasco's life is forever changed and it's all thanks to Bert Kreischer & his insane comedy cruise. Have you seen the photos from Andy's instagram?? But that's not even the half of it. We also got Nashville singer-songwriter, Brent Cobb on the Interview Hour this week! Andy gushes and Brent takes it all in. What a mensch. Catch Brent's new album and his tour schedule! brentcobbmusic.com oh yeah and Watch this episode streaming now!! Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker Shawn Eckels

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You got to wrap it up Please pull out. Please pull out. All right, and we're back. Andy Frasco's World's Favorite Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. Live from another airport hotel. God damn it.

Oh, my God. The Burt Kreischer Fully Loaded Cruise. Fully Loaded Cruise. Shout out to Burt motherfucking Kreischer and Leanne Kreischer. Wow. Birdie Boy Productions. Unbelievable. That was one of the times of my life.

For real, for real, that was one of the best experiences of my life. You know, I'm a big comedy fan. I'm obsessed with comedy. I love just being around comics. I love being in the atmosphere. I love just fucking sitting at a table and watching them riff and trying to get a couple zingers in as well. And that was one of the best experiences I've ever had in my life. You know, it's like, you know, I am a musician, you know, I'm a musician. I consider myself a songwriter and stuff.

It's hard to be accepted in this musician world because I'm not really, you know, like I grew up in the jam scene and shit and I'm not really like a fucking soloist or like fucking didn't go to Berkeley School of fucking music or whatever the fuck ever. I am, you know, I learned from the frontmans of the world and the comedians of the world, the Chappelle's. That's how I learned how to entertain. So sometimes it's hard for me to be accepted

and to be with a group of musicians or a group of comedians who totally just understood what I'm trying to do and trying to wake people up. It was fucking awesome. So shout out to all the comedians. Big Jay, Pete Lee, Catherine Banford, Mark Norman, Bert Kreischer, Felipe.

I mean, we have so many. I interviewed all these people. We have so many good podcasts coming up with real deal comedians. Get ready. Buckle. Cause this is some funny fucking podcast and some real shit. I mean, comedians they're dark as fuck, man. They are dark, um, heavy, heavy, heavy shit goes down that, you know, they're laughing, you know, they're laughing about, but, um, you know, a lot of them were tortured and to laugh

through the tortured, the pain is what makes them so fucking great and so fucking brilliant. So I can't wait for you to hear these. Um, but the cruise was amazing, man. It was fucking wild. It wasn't as many, as much drugs, you know, like I think like, it's not like jam cruise or something where, you know, people are fucking smuggling, you know, kilos of cocaine or fucking Molly or ketamine on the thing. It was more like everyone was drinking. It wasn't like everyone's staying up till 5 a.m. I mean, we would go up to Bert's like penthouse and we'd always go up to Bert's Penthouse at around 11 and hang out until about 2 and just

fucking pound booze and just talk and laugh and smoke cigars and watching Mark Mark Norman, man, he could fucking drink. Shout out to Mark. I was going around and around with Mark Norman. That motherfucker could drink

some booze and just bounce back and just kind of shrug his shoulders like, whatever. Another day in the fucking office. I'm like, damn, these guys could really pound it. And Birdie, man. I'm telling you, Burt Kreischer, maybe you don't dig his comedy or whatever, but you gotta dig

his fucking work ethic. Holy shit. My man was everywhere. My man was everywhere. My man was everywhere. You know, it made me feel like he's like the Don, Don King of fucking comedy. Like he is such a machine. Like no, no pun intended. He is a promoting machine. He gets everyone where they need to go. He he's out there supporting every act on the fucking bill i saw him everywhere you know it was like he came to our show he was singing and crying and what he's like and then he's like he told the cruise line that he wants dancing around my grave playing like every hour on the set if where people could

just know that song and you know feel that. We were the last thing that played on the cruise. And it was so fucking special to see a dude like that just really care about the young bands and really care about all his acts. Like, you know, he's an arena band and he's bringing all his home. He's like big Jay Oakerson. Holy shit. That guy should be way more famous than he is. Um, he brings all these, all his friends out and just supports them. And we're all like a gang. We were in this group text. And I just couldn't believe I was in this fucking group text.

I was like, holy shit. These guys are just riffing off each other. Jim Norton, holy shit, dude. It was just legendary. I was like trying to keep up. And, you know, it's like to keep up. I got some singers. I don't consider myself a fucking comedian, but I'm a good shit talker.

That's all those group texts are with these comedians are just shit talking. I just felt right at home. Shout out to all the comedians. Catherine Banford, I fucking love her. I got a huge crush on her. Wow. Oh my God. Me and her are identical. Catherine Banford, I fucking love her Like I got a huge crush on her Like wow Oh my god, me and her are like identical

I love Felipe Felipe is coming on the podcast I think he's on next week We got Mark Norman And Giannis Papas Together on that one We got Carter Cruz, the porn star Now DJ, that's Bert's Like DJ Cruz, the porn star, now DJ. That's Burt's DJ

for all the fully loaded tours. She's on the pod, and I got Catherine Banford. I mean, we got a bunch of comedians, and we're going to be doing Are You Garbage? The people are Are You Garbage? Jay Oakerson's going to do the show. I mean, we got a lot of comedians coming in.

You know, I love the jam scene. Don't get me wrong. But these guys know how to podcast. Musicians are kind of shy, you know? I mean, this is a kind, not Brent Cobb. Brent Cobb with the one you're about to listen to. Brent Cobb is fucking honest.

He's like one of my, I always, you know how much I love Brent Cobb. I always talk about his songs. He's on the pod this week and he was actually talking, man. We were drinking beers, and it was like 10 a.m. He started pounding some Miller Lies. I'm like, fuck it. I'll go with you. So that's going to be a great podcast, but it's nice that now you're going to have a little more comedians now with the music.

I'm not going to abandon my people, my jam scene and all my songwriters. But it's going to be nice to fill in. Now we're in with the comedy people. We're going to get all these big comedy acts on the podcast too. So it's going to be a mixture of everything, a little hush-posh. Now I just got to get some athletes in there, more athletes who trip dick and shit,

like Ricky Williams and Jake Plummer. And we'll be a full circle podcast. But yeah, it was the best experience. It was so much fun. I did drop a lot of money though. I get so excited. I just want to buy everyone drinks. They give you free drinks. We could go up to burt's penthouse and like build yourself some cocktails

or whatever but i didn't want to be a mooch you know i'm new to the crew i didn't want to be the guy like oh dear there's frasco again fucking taking all the booze so i bought some drinks you know i was hanging out the casino the casino was popping dude i mean burt's fans man they are fun as fuck dude they're everyone's nice everyone there, there's no ego. You know, I could tell because, you know, Bert's like the underdog in the comedy scene, you know. You know, he's not a sagura. He's not like one of these,

but he's funny as fuck and he's real as fuck and he's just so genuine. You know, the last day was Bert's birthday and they're all texting in the group text. Like, come on. We're going to surprise Bert with a birthday cake. And his wife is so sweet.

I'm having Leanne on the podcast here soon. I'm going to jump on her podcast too. And just everyone was just so supportive. Like group text. Like, hey, guys, we're all going to Jay Oakerson. Let's go. Hey, guys, Miss Pat's playing in the theater. Let's all go together.

Let's all hang out, sit out. I'm like, damn, this is fucking community. And I bring all this up as like, if you don't feel like you have a community, don't worry. Keep looking. It might take you forever. Just because you're 40 or

50 or 30 or 20, maybe you've had your same friends forever and you want to try something new, you can't try something new. There will be friends for you as an adult. Stop thinking that you won't have friends as an adult. You'll have new friends that fit your mold and stuff. And so what I was saying is if you don't feel like you have a community, you know, you'll find it. You'll find your tribe. Just keep looking. Keep talking.

Keep being vulnerable. Keep being yourself. And you'll magnetize to the people who will magnetize to you. Sets are fun. You know, it took a while. The first set was kind of dead because no one knew. It was pretty amazing. No one knew who we were. There was, um, like maybe like five or 10 people of our fans that, cause it got,

it sold out so quickly before I was even able to promote the fest to my fans, all my fro heads and fro ambassadors and stuff that, um, I couldn't really get any of my fans on the boat. So I, um, so I was, I was working with a brand new crowd which is fun because you know i could do all my old school tricks you know crowd surfing and fucking bar mitzvahs and yada yadas and um and it's completely new to them and uh so it was like it was kind of like a tidal wave like first show was pretty dead and then burt came and was jamming out and all of a sudden a swarm of people followed Burt. He brought so many. He's like, everybody, we're going

to Frasco. And he brought this herd of Burt fans to our set and he threw a party and he got on. It was like his first time drinking in 90 days. He looks good. Shout out to Burt. He was looking hot. He lost like 40. Shout out to Bertie. I mean, he was looking hot.

He lost like 40 pounds or something. He's looking buff. And it was just fun as fuck. And Leanne was giving me a big hug saying, thank you, you're one of Bert's favorite bands. And like, it's just so genuine. And all the comedians, you know, I first got nervous, you know, hanging out with,

I get intimidated with comedians, you know. But I was nervous, you know, hanging out with, I get intimidated with comedians, you know? Um, but I was, I was texting Todd, like, are all these guys like nice? Cause I don't, I never really know any of the people on the cruise. I knew a couple, but I've never seen their acts. I never really hung out with them. And I was texting Todd Glass. I'm like, yo, all these guys are on the boat. Are they cool?

Can I like, you know, have a conversation with them? It's like, these guys are the coolest people out there. Like real comedians, work dogs like me, you know, like they, they've been in the clubs for 15 years, you know, 20 years, some of them, 10 years, some of them, and just grinding it out like you. So I was like, so I kind of like got a little less nervous with the whole situation, put my shoulders down and said, all right, I'm going to, I'm going to approach all these people.

And they were cool as fuck. God damn it. Okay. Dialed in gummies. Grab yourself some dialed in gummies. They are the best gummies on the planet. I mean, I had them. I had, I love them.

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Denver is beautiful in the wintertime. Beautiful in the fall. I love Denver. It's a sweet town. But Denver is really beautiful in the wintertime. If you guys want to come out there, all the people who listen to this podcast who aren't from Denver,

get down there. Come to the wintertime. Come hang out. We're playing the Ogden. We just announced the fucking Ogden, baby. Let's do it. The 10th mound division. It's going down. Buy your tickets. We already playing the Ogden. We just announced the fucking Ogden, baby. Let's do it. The 10th mound division. It's going down.

Buy your tickets. We already almost like, we're like, I think we're one third sold out already. Like you guys like fucking slam those tickets on day one. I'm like, thank you so much. Let's go. My people. Gang, gang for shizzle. Gang, gang.

So if you want to fly out to our Ogden show, it's always fun. It's a hometown show for me so I go extra hard because I know my house is literally three-fourths a mile from the fucking Ogden. So I'll go extremely hard for you. And maybe we'll throw a house party at my house. I did that last time. My neighbor

was pissed but I had like 150 people inside my house. I'm like, everyone don't go outside. I had like 50 people smoking my house. I'm like, everyone, don't go outside. I had like 50 people smoking cigarettes. It felt like the 90s. It was awesome. I love smoking inside, but it just fucks up my house, and it takes a couple days for it to air out until you can't smell the smoke. So I won't be smoking cigarettes inside, but maybe we'll smoke in the garage.

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All this hard work is paying off. All right. All right, guys. Stay happy, and I will see you next week. Who's on the show? Oh, we got Felipe Esparza. Oh, my God. You're going to love this one.

This guy's fucking crazy, and he's just had a crazy life. He won last comic standing. He's from Los Angeles. He's got a podcast called What's Up Food? Mexican dude from LA is the man. You're going to love it. All right, guys, Brent Cobb. Chris, play some Brent Cobb.

God, oh my God. Play Digging Holes. I know he has a new record out, and the new record's amazing, but Digging Holes, play Digging Holes. I know he has a new record out, and the new record's amazing. But Digging Holes. Play Digging Holes, Chris. Well, I ought to be working in a coal mine. Neck deep in black lunch. This song is my life story.

I don't know why. I just love this song so fucking much. Brent's the man. He's one of Nashville's Premier, premier songwriters He writes for everyone And he's been a workhorse And he's a solo singer-songwriter as well

He writes his own songs for himself He writes for other people I'm trying to get in the studio with him I'm trying to finish my record I got nine songs done I need about five more So I'm headed to Nashville my record, I got nine songs done. I need about five more. So I'm going to head to Nashville when this tour is done, like, January, February. I'm going to try to write a couple with my boy Brent.

But great guy from Georgia. Amazing voice. Amazing lyricist. He went on tour with Chris Stapleton, Luke Combs. He's been doing it forever, and I'm so proud that he's fucking getting the recognition he deserves because he is one of the GOATs. And, you know, we all have our demons.

We all don't think we're worthy. But I'm telling you right now, Brent, you're fucking worthy of greatness. So go get them, buddy. I'm pouring off my back Hauling away A heavy load at your photograph Wow. Wow. Brett motherfucking cop. Damn right. What you know, man? How's it going, bro?

Big year for you. Well, yeah, you know, you know what they say, man. It's like the 19th year, man. That's the one. But like, the one where it all works out. I hear that. Like like i've been doing it for 15 years and i'm finally finally it's finally happening so it's like god damn it i tell a half joke at my shows that goes it's only taken me almost 20 years to get to the bottom

i'm just glad to be here i love it man let's i want to talk a little bit I got a bunch of things I want to ask you First Digging Holes is my favorite song Probably the most played song I've had for the last two years Tell me a little bit about Digging Holes Before we get into the new music And I want to talk about your life before that Give me

What was going on Well That day that but give me give me uh what was going on well um that day so you know you know a little bit of i mean you know about the the songwriting lifestyle in nashville like the the industry is if you're a staff writer a music row you go in you co-write you publish your book shoot with a bunch of different people to co-write with all the time and those first couple years so i signed that first publishing deal in 2009 and i was i was like man whore me out i want to write with i want to write doubles and triples every day seven days a week i just want to i want to get some shit going, well, one of those rights was that with this guy named Casey Wood and, uh, Casey walks in, I walk in, we both were married and, uh, or I might not have been quite married

yet. Maybe I was, I don't remember, but, um, we, uh, we were both in the dog house, so to speak at the time. And we were relating with each other about that. And then he was telling that his brother, he's from West Virginia, and he was talking about his brother

was a coal miner. And he's a songwriter, too. And I was like, well, does he do it? And he said, no, man, he's a great songwriter, but he's real good at digging holes. When he said that, after all the shit that we had been talking about, he was like, well, damn, so are we, man. We've been digging ourselves in our own little holes.

I was like, we've got to write that. Immediately, it all fell out, man. We hung out for three hours, but we wrote that song in about 30 minutes. And me and I both loved Chris Knight. And so the original version was written way more in the key of Chris Knight, just hanging on to that. And so that's how it all started with that one. When you're doing all these co-writes,

is it kind of like a therapy session where you're trying to figure out, while you're talking and communicating with each other, trying to get that one line to start the song? Because you do so many in three days. And a day, you'll do, what, three writes in a day? How do you got to find inspiration? It is that.

See, I'll say for me, I have never lost the i i never lost the love of just writing songs by myself and for myself and uh and honestly i'm i'm really i mean most of the time sometimes there'll be a real special one that'll pop out and then it'll you know it'll be it'll be inspiring most of the time. I don't know if it's because I'm on the spectrum or what, but I can't wrap my head around someone else's idea sometimes, but, but, but also because I know my idea is good. And so I'll, I'll bring in,

you know, like a half a verse and a chorus or something. And, and then I don't, I'm not stingy about it i don't mind you know also as you i'm sure are aware the second verse is always the hardest verse to write right and so sometimes i can get lazy like if i'll get a great first verse and a first chorus and i go okay well that's that's enough for now then i I may not, I'm just too lazy. That second verse is the hardest verse to write, but it's always the best fucking verse if you can force yourself to write. And so, you know, with the co-writing deal, for a lot of people, yes, it's probably like therapy.

It's a little bit like therapy for me. But more than anything, it's getting someone else who will not let me be lazy and help me just, let's just fucking write the second verse and call it a song. You ever get like by the third session, like, fuck this. I just want to go back to my wife. And I mean, that's all my life. Most every day is I never. all my life, most every day.

I don't care to tour at all. I love writing, and I can't help. I write for myself. This is what I have to write. I will always write. I'll go on tour for six weeks and come home, and the first thing I do once we get the kids to bed is sit back on the recliner and pick up the acoustic and start writing again i mean it's just what i do and uh yeah i mean i get burned out on the co-write thing well i come to that i come to

nashville probably a week out of every month if i'm not touring and and co-write still for other people but even then I'm still always, I really have shot myself in the foot because of this. Because I've never had a big, huge single. I've had a lot of cuts. But because I can only write for myself, apparently, I don't get a lot of cuts. But yeah, by that third write of the day,

I always hope that it's with a friend of mine like Adam Hood or Aaron Raytier or somebody that I can just say, man, fuck this. Let's just go have some beers and the songs will come. We must live for now. Yeah, I've ridden a couple with Aaron and Adam. And Aaron is one of the most genius minds out there, man. It is so wild, dude. Your cousin, Dave Cobb, he's, you know, he's Grammy winning country producer. He's been, he did Wheeler Walker too, which I loved all the records he did with Wheeler.

I heard this great story where you met him at a funeral. So were you close? You didn't, were you not close to them during when you were a child? Like, how did you like, how did you guys like connect we didn't know each other at all dave is like 12 years older than i am and his dad dave senior was the only cop that he was born and raised in richland georgia which is where i'm from. And we have a ton of family down there, the Cobbs. But he, Dave Sr., was the only Cobb that was like, I'm getting the hell out of here. And so he packed up and moved to Savannah.

And then so Dave was raised in Savannah, Georgia, which is the complete opposite side of the state. And we just never knew each other growing up. And then at that funeral, it was his grandmother and my great aunt. So Dave and I are, I don't know what technically is like third cousin removed or something like that. And so we met at this funeral and I was a pallbearer in the funeral. and so we met at this funeral and i was a pallbearer in the funeral word had gotten around the funeral though that we had this distant cousin of ours who was a big time la record producer that he would be at this funeral and all family is musical and so after the funeral i uh arrogantly you know and skeptically was we were all hanging out, and I was like, so I hear you're a big

time record producer, what have you produced? And Dave, humbly, but I say humbly, but now that I know him, and I've known him for you know, 16 years, he's just real good at pretending to be humble, you know? I know those boys.

I'm from LA, I know those boys. But he was like, I did this and that. And, you know, I just produced this album by Shooter Jennings called Put The O Back In Country. And this is 2005. And so

when he said that, it kind of blew my mind. And I had made, I just made this little six song acoustic demo, um, shamelessly gave him that after his grandmother's funeral. And, uh, and then his wife talked him into listening to it on the way to the Atlanta airport. And thankfully, and, you know, he graciously, a couple a couple days later i was working for a tree service crew at the time i'd just gotten off work and uh the house phone rings i didn't have a cell

phone at the time and me and my buddy had just got done smoking a joint and i pick up the phone and dave goes hey man uh it's your cousin dave we met at grandma's funeral and uh i listened to your demo i played it for shooter he's actually sitting here with me we want to fly you to la and record an album and i was looking at my buddy like what the fuck like it was insane and so that's how it all started and that was that's 2000 let's fucking go bre Brent. At the funeral. Just fucking networking, baby. I could shoot you

shots. I could just see you just holding the casket. Yo, Dave! What have you done, man? Your grandma lived her whole life. What have you done, Dave?

It's so funny. Yeah, it's amazing. It's like, rest in peace, grandma, your aunt, but you never know when you're going to have the balls or courage to talk to someone to help you with your career. Well, it's one of those things that uh yeah well not only do you not know when you'll ever have the opportunity but you don't know if you'll ever have the opportunity again right and uh and especially when you're from the area that i'm from ain't shit going on

and um i never considered i never considered realistically being able to make a career out of music. I just did it. I just wrote and I played in bands on the weekends and I didn't know how to ever really do it. And then, yeah, I met that, met, met old Dave. Do you think like, you know, going back to when you were a kid and your dad got offered that record deal and he didn't take it to be a family man, do you think that kind of like

paved the way of how you thought about you'll never make it in the music industry when you're a kid or how is that how did you like you think so i think that uh thanks for knowing that uh i think that uh well if nothing else, yes, it helped me. I think it helped me to know that maybe I could. I didn't know how. But then it has perhaps held me back some because I always wanted to have a family. I wanted to have kids, and probably because my dad, that's what he chose to do, is be a good dad. my dad that's what he chose to do is be a good dad and uh and so i am perpetually conflicted on man my daddy didn't tour he stayed at home and here i am but i can't say no to luke combs

stadium tours or chris state three years with ableton or maren mor or Robert O'Keen or I'd be crazy to say no to these things but but if nothing else his decision that early on for sure has influenced me as far as feeling I just feel guilty all the time you know what I mean

just like fuck do you feel guilty that you got more successful than your dad um no It's like, fuck. Do you feel guilty that you got more successful than your dad? No. We got such a cool relationship. He's way better than I am. He's like a real entertainer, and he can sing his ass off.

I didn't get really into that. I can sing the way I sing, but I'm a songwriter. I say I'm a songwriter-singer and not a singer-songwriter. But Daddy always, too, when all these opportunities started to present themselves, like the very first one with Dave and Shooter, he is a spiritual man. And he goes, I feel like the reason why you're getting these opportunities partly is because he made the right decision. And so he still gets to vicariously live his dream, even through my success, which is cool as shit to me. I made the grand debut in 2017. I had him come up and sing that song, Country Bound, that he wrote in 1992, that kind of stuff.

Is it hard to give away your songs to other people? Like, say, like, when you met Luke Combs, or Luke Bryan, or Miranda Lambert, like, is that hard? Or do you, like, get maybe, like, fuck, that song got, I could have kept that for my own career, you know?

No, I mean, not really. But I, you know, I still get paid for it. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. That's what I'm talking about. Not as much. If I had gotten a tailgate blues cut 10 years earlier, I probably would not be touring right now.

It's true. You know, I like the old school way of like me and Bobby McGee or Sunday Morning Coming Down, you know, like 12 different versions of those songs. And back then, it seemed like everybody just took great songs and they'd record their own versions of them. So I like that sort of community of artistry. And so now it's never been, as long as I'm getting compensated, it's not a problem. Yeah, I feel that.

What about like, yeah, why do you think the music industry changed like that? Because it was so cool when everyone was like playing each other's songs and like everyone had their own version of a great song. Like why are we so holding the song so tightly per artist now?

I do not know. It's a strange, unwritten rule, though, that is obvious. There was an obvious change in there sometime in the mid-2000s, it seems like, maybe in the 90s. I don't know what happened. I don't know why people don't do that anymore. I think it's great when they do Yeah I agree too

It's like I love when I was hearing like you know Anyone Sing like you know All these old soul songs And just made it their own version It's just been I miss that in music

Well yeah great songs Many lives You know I wish we had more of that going on I don't know what the deal is It's the same thing with like these huge Radio commercial Artists

And they have to all be Co-writers on these songs these days Yeah When did that happen? You know what I mean? Like, we're already not making any money anymore as songwriters. So now we're going to make even more.

Yeah. I don't know, man. Yeah, or like when there's like 10 guys in a room. It's like, what the fuck? Everyone's going to get 10% or what? Like, it's just like, the music industry is weird man it's like there's not enough money to go around so everyone has to get their fucking pennies off that big hit

but it is funny though because not only is there's not enough money going around but especially there's like no money going around for songwriting so it's funny that people would want to be songwriters, which is, it's a weird clash, isn't it? Because part of it, I think is they want to cred to where they're like, we're real.

I'm writing my own songs. I'm not just recording great songs. And, but then you go, well, that's fucking cool, man, except there's no fucking money already.

And now, now you're taking a third of nothing. Right. And, uh, I don't right uh i don't know so what's your what's your take on like uh spotify royalties and stuff as a songwriter as a songwriter it sucks if i was just this part why i'm touring um and why i continue to put my own albums out um as a songwriter it's a double-edged sword, right? Because I came up in a time as an artist, whatever, as the person singing the songs,

where radio was king, and you had to be on radio to be exposed to anybody at all. But then I watched it grow, and the internet grow, and it morphed into this deal you know where you have spotify and you have apple music and all these streaming services now um um that amazon that has taken so somebody an independent like myself who i'm not you know radio i did that tried to do that for three years this doesn't work for what i write but luckily because of those streaming services i have this great foundation

fan base and i'm able to go anywhere and play music for people who show up and know the songs and so and then they're hopefully going to buy some merch and they're paying for tickets, obviously. Still not going to make any money as a songwriter though. And so it's terribly wonderful. especially like how like what was your mind going through when you're getting these offers for these stadium tours like combs like stapleton like what you're like what the fuck so i was watching i was watching your instagram dude and like seeing you in these fucking and you're what what one of four or were you like two or four or like were you the first band on the bill or second the first of four on the main stage so we played real early it was like 20 minutes in um on the stapleton stuff it was first of three and then it was second of three um but it was i'll say this it was it was first of all opportunities that I can't say no to. There are people that just like would die to have these opportunities. And it seems to happen every time that I'm about ready to be like, you know what?

Fuck touring and all this bullshit. I'm going to go be a dad. Every time I get ready to do that, I get some crazy opportunity, which is amazing. And I'm grateful. Can't you tell? I fucking love you, Brent. and which is amazing and I'm grateful and she tell but you know the thing is like the combs thing was amazing I met Luke in 2014 I had was one of those times my daughter had just been born and I had been touring for six years, and I decided to not tour indefinitely. I didn't know if I would ever tour again.

I had a friend of mine who said, man, I got a buddy that just moved to town. He's a big fan of yours. He just wants to hang out with you and have a beer and ask you some questions. Would you be into that? I said, I don't know what I can tell him but yeah i'm gonna get a drinking beer i'll do that and so it was luke combs and we go down to uh broadway brew house in midtown and we were eating jerk chicken and combs is asking me questions and i guess i was focused more on that jerk chicken. And he was thinking about taking over the world because he did.

And then a couple years later. What were the questions he was asking you during that dinner? Well, I think it was more, I can't remember specifically. But one was like, you know, Luke, like at the time, Luke Bryan and Florida Georgia line and, uh, uh, several others were like just blowing up. And he was like, man, why, how hard do you think that is? It can't be that hard. I was like, I don't know. It's not my trajectory. I don't think, you know, but I don't see why you couldn't, I don't know. And so it was stuff that I really had no answers to. And I just didn't know anybody.

And he knew my music and maybe he felt like he could trust me. And so, but I told him up front, I was like, I obviously have no answers. I've written a bunch of songs that have been recorded by a bunch of these artists, but I'm sitting here eating jerk chicken with you in midtown so i don't really know i'm drinking and then that so continue what you're gonna say after that i forgot um i mean uh me and dave got back together after 10 years and recorded shout on rainy day i was in manhattan um uh was negotiating my record

deal with electra and by myself no management or anything and i was at the hotel and luke combs sent me he texted me his soundcloud link to that album that had hurricane on it and the first one that like just blew. And I was like, you show me yours, I'll show you mine. And so I sent him Channel Rainy Day SoundCloud link. And of course, he became this mega superstar.

I got nominated for a Grammy. That's what I'm talking about, Brent. It doesn't... You never know, i what do you say what do you say about the record oh he he loved it man well you see that's the thing is like it's it is cool always to see uh these full circle moments i've had a lot of these this like serendipitous shit happen over my life and career and uh luke remembered me being willing to just hang out with him early on which is why years later he offered me this stadium tour that he's now on, you know, and it's a little shit like that, man.

But but like those stadium tours compared to so we did 16 or 26 stadium tours or something like that. And we played real early. The walk in on those tours was 20,000 people. When we hit the stage, 20, 000 people would have already walked in the building which is insane when you compare it to uh like the stapleton those three years with stapleton 20 000 to 30 000 was that was capacity so when we opening on these combs we were playing for the capacity amount of crowd at on the state god was? And what's even crazier is in the middle of the comb stuff, I went out and would open for my brothers, Whiskey Myers, who I've known forever, written a bunch of songs that they've been gracious enough to record.

But we did like five shows with them. And those five shows, which they've come a long way they you know they're they're playing like 5 000 you know playing shed they're playing sheds yeah but we uh we i would sell more merch and get more fans from those five shows than i did all 26 stadium shows. Why do you think that is? I think it's part of the demographic of country radio listeners. If they're not familiar with an artist, a lot of the time,

they don't know them. I don't know why that's that way but that's how it is and uh but then with like whiskey myers they're a group that people feel like they sought out and discovered on their own and uh and those that demographic is more they seem to be more open to like they want to discover stuff themselves they don't want people to tell them what to listen to and uh and i think that's one of the things i think another thing is just a huge venue you know people are just getting when we're playing and they're trying to go get a beer at the beer line and then it's's hard in those huge stadiums to tell somebody where merch is going to be because it's massive. And, you know.

Didn't even think about that. That's fucked up. Yeah, we're in section 234, I think, tonight. We're actually in section 118, the merch. It's going to take me 30 minutes to get over there. But if you'll meet me there, if you still have any money after buying $35 Miller Lights, I'll see you there. Yeah, and it's crazy because you probably only get one merch table when those guys will get six of them, right?

Well, they gave us three or four stations, but the difference is at the whiskey shows are those size shows there's only one merch table yeah where at at you know and it's a huge help you know to go out because i always go out i go out to the merch after every show i do and meet the people people want to hang out and have a beer with you and i want to meet them and hang out have a beer and uh and so just not able to do that on that the the stadium size venues yeah wild shit don't i don't think i didn't forget about you negotiating your own fucking deal with electra because i definitely want to talk about that what was that was that intimidating like what the fuck brent he just rolled in there just just dick out, just like, let's go. I had at the time, I had worked with three other managers during my career. And I don't like managers a lot of the time.

My last couple I've gotten along with and I've learned a lot from. And my current management team are fucking awesome. No, they really are awesome. I hear you, bro. They really are awesome. But so this go-round, I just didn't want to fucking fool with it. And, you know,

I'm just like giving all kind of inside secrets. But like management, if they come in and negotiate, it's a double-edged sword because they can get you a better deal, which I don't like that. I don't like that just because somebody comes in, you're going to get. So you weren't going to treat me fairly until I had another motherfucker in here to talk for me. I hate that shit, dude. My pet peeve. Yeah. And,

and so, and then if a manager comes in and I was meeting with managers, but I, I don't know that I did not plan to make another album. And, um, but if a manager comes in, even if you're halfway through a negotiation period of a new deal,

they're going to take 20% of that signing bonus. I needed that fucking sign of bonus. Cause I just had a kid, you know? And so, yeah, it was intimidating to be in Manhattan and, you know,

hanging out with the head of Electra and Atlantic. And, um, but I had to be done. I have a good attorney that I've worked with since the beginning of my career. And, uh,

you know, so they had my back, but, uh, yeah, it was a little intimidating. And luckily I will say that, uh, um, worked with since the beginning of my career and uh you know so they had my back but uh yeah it was a little intimidating and luckily i will say that um greg nadell who was the and i suppose he still is the head of electra at the time um was a good person and he at least treated me fairly and uh you know yeah did they drop you or are you still with them? They dropped me, but after, so we did shine on rainy day and we did Providence Canyon 2018. And then in 2019, um,

I was in a co-write and I get a call from Greg. This is what I mean by he treated me fairly. He calls me and he says, man, I was just talking to our accountant and, uh, my heart tells me we should keep you forever. My accountant says we should probably drop you. And, uh, all right, well, and I can't argue with you there. And, uh, but he said, it's up to you though, man. If you want to stay, I'll keep working with you and keep pushing. But if you want to go, I'll let you go clean slate. And, you know, they could have easily, he could have enforced the sunset clause.

Yeah. And kept, you know, what is the perpetuality through all the universe or whatever the fuck ever for like five more years but he was you know a fair and kind person and they kept the masters to shine on and providence canyon but uh but i didn't owe him anything else in the future and and i got lucky because that that following year was was the year I was going to have to start kicking in that 360 money. Oh, shit. And writing checks I could not afford. Right.

And so he really did me a solid and let me in. And right after that, that's when I launched Old Buddy, my own independent label, through 30 Tigers. That's awesome, man. I mean, like you say you go back to like all these like serendipitous moments like maybe did you had a feeling they were going to drop you or like what did it just come out of the blue or it came out of the blue because we were in the middle of our third tour with chris stapleton right and um he's gonna gear up to make another album and so it was kind of out of the blue but i get it too you know i get it when when somebody calls me like that and it was him and it wasn't like

a representative and it wasn't you know it didn't get fucking weird he was he was straight up and i still i've i talked to greg here and there. We were together again some days. So it was cool as shit. I love you. Perfect. So first I want to talk about Shine on Rainy Day. So when you got the Grammy nomination and you're competing against Jason Isbell, was it competitive?

Is it like how were you guys not talking to each other? Is he a competitive dude? Are you a competitive dude? Or was like, did you guys not talking to each other? Is he a competitive dude? Are you competitive, dude? Or was like, you know, did you already feeling? Well, Jason and Amanda were sitting right behind me and my wife at at the Grammys. And all men laying cared about. We just want to go fucking smoke a cigarette somewhere. And it just so happened that that year the Grammys were in New York

and they were at Madison Square Garden. You cannot smoke anywhere in Madison Square Garden. At least Staples Center and the outside area. But then you can't come back. We sat there for a while.

Greg Allman posthumously was was also nominated for the grammy and and i can't remember who else but man it was my first rodeo on that and so i didn't really care and israel is much more of a uh sports fan than am too. So he's surely he's more competitive. I just care about smoking cigarettes. And, and so I feel you, bro.

I was happy to be nominated at all. And honestly, once he got it, I, I rolled out. Me and Lane went to the, we went outside and smoked cigarette and we were like, fuck all this.

And we went to the hotel and we watched the rest of Gram, and we were like, fuck all this, and we went to the hotel, and we watched the rest of the Grammys from the hotel in our underwear, and we smoked cigarettes and drank beer. What was it like when you first got the nomination? Did you feel like this weight was off your shoulder, that you're getting love? Man, I don't know. Yes and no, but I just had not planned on anything, really.

Honestly, when we made Shine on Rainy Day, that was not a part of any plan, and I just had no expectations. And so anything that happened after that was just a little icing on whatever layer of cake had been laid down. Right. You know, you talk about first I want to talk about my favorite song of yours that got me through not quitting my band and not quitting life was Keep Em On Your Toes. What were you going to do on that song? That song is so fucking powerful, man. Well, thanks.

It was a little bit of that. A little bit of once you've done something for so fucking long. Right. And sometimes I feel a little bit like Little Richard, you know, like Little Richard, his whole career. He would tell the same truth over and over again and go, I am the architect of rock and roll. Otis Redding sang in my backup band. James Brown sang in my backup band. Jimi Hendrix played guitar in my band.

I fucking did all this shit. And I think his whole career, people would judge him and just kind of shrug him off. Even now, people are just like, oh, that's old James just talking that shit. And so

when I wrote Keep Him On Their Toes, I feel the same way sometimes. I'm like, fuck, man. I've seen so many people come open for me that I'm proud. Like Lil' Richard was proud that Otis, I mean, he's proud of everybody, but he's also going,

what the fuck, man? Where's my damn flowers? And, you know, it was, I am perpetually a little frustrated with the way my career has played out. But at that time, my son had just been born, and we we just moved back to georgia and so i'm in between georgia and nashville every week to get on the get in the van or the bus or whatever it is to go on tour and um and then i'm also thinking about well uh welcome to the world son and, and, you know, this part therapeutic for me as well. Uh, uh, it's like, I really have no control over any of this. And so, um, the best thing I can do is, is trust myself and,

and fuck everybody else. And, um, I know what I've done and, and yeah, that's what was going on inside the best the best way to articulate that emotion was Keep them on their toes, baby Yeah, I'm gonna do what I do and and everybody else should too because that's another thing nowadays man and during that time like

Social media all you see it's kind of like you remember um bruce almighty jim carrey and when he gets all these all these prayers and he's like what the fuck am i doing with all these prayers and so he creates the prayer uh you've got prayers and uh and so all the prayers come into his email well that's how social media is i feel like you see everybody's internal thoughts all the time. And most of the time, it's people just bitching about everything. Right. And I feel like we all get to see that now. then I at least want to be one voice of no expectations

except for you to just do what the fuck you know you're supposed to do. And that is keep on the toes. Who's that person for you to lift you up when you're feeling that low on the road? My wife really helps me. I think I help her i probably i probably like might stress her out being gone all the time and help her too at the same time but uh uh used to be my buddy rowdy jason cope who passed away in 2021 he started the steel woods he's like my older brother my mentor he's eight years older than me when i started going to la i would stay out rowdy's place but uh when he died i mean we before he died we would like he was the only person that i knew

that i could like he you know you can't call up somebody back home and be like bitching about fucking touring for a living and uh yeah you can't do that so but like but like rowdy he would get the little things that we that are you know justifiably bitch worthy and uh and so you know like rowdy i'd call him i still call it my dad you know on certain things and my mom and um but. How hard was it when he died? Yeah, you better call me, Brent. I'm in. I'll bitch with you all the time, bro. I'm jaded as fuck, dude. Come on. How hard was it when

your best friend died? It still is hard, man. Again, I mean, people have lost closer people, but Rab was like he was the first friend in my life inside the bigger world. Like that wasn't from where I was from. And, um, he, he like taught me how to, you know, grow up a little bit. He, he taught me how to grocery shop, you know,

out there and like taught me how to fucking do coin laundry and really made me study songwriting and songs and stuff. It wasn't like he was intentionally teaching me how to do these things. I was just with him while he was going about his daily routines. while he was going about his daily routines. And so it was, you know, he's like that person that in your life, you're like, I may not even noticed it at the time, but then later you go, fuck, every little thing I do in my life now, I will go, or if I have a question about something,

I'll be like, I wonder what Rowdy would say about this. And so every so every moment every day is fucking sucks you know there are worse things that could happen but it is just like fuck man you know uh i saw somebody made a post the other day and so i commented under a say that and uh and it was grief is uh is love with nowhere to go which seemed so long like it is like that's heavy i have all this love for my homie but i can't call him up and be like hey motherfucker i love you you know so it's like god that's what grief is it's like love with nowhere to go, you know. Do you feel like he talks to you sometimes still? Do you believe in that stuff?

In ways, yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Southern Star album. So when Roud was, I moved to Nashville in March of 08. And then he was, he was still in la but he had just started record or uh touring with jamie johnson he was jamie's guitar player for like six or seven years and uh when he moved to actually moved to town he moved like 45 minutes outside of town and um and we i'd go down there just like 2009 10 11 12 and we go to this bar called the southern star and uh and right before the theme and the concept and all the songs started

to reveal themselves for the album southern star i had just gotten gotten off a run of shows and I was on the way back home, which is normally when I would call rap. And I was just so happy to be going down past his old exit. And I was thinking about those times. I was thinking about that bar, the Southern Star, and I was like, shit, man, I wonder if it's still there. And so I pulled off and found it and it is still there it's not called the southern star anymore it's called something different um and they have but they have a whole wall the back wall is all these pictures of all these old patrons and all the people that worked like every fuck it was seedy as shit like it was like not a fucking you know you could go do anything this part.

And, uh, but they like everybody I knew from back then is dead now. And on their wall, they have all their old pictures back there and they have the old Southern star logo back there. And, uh,

so like little things like that, or like when we went in, um, the last day of recording Southern star at Capricorn and Macon, um, I didn't know like we had nine songs recorded and I didn't I was like Couldn't think of the other song and it wouldn't be it couldn't it wouldn't fall out of the sky So I well maybe it's just a nine song album and I was getting ready to go in the studio and out of the blue like everything was good. I just getting ready to go in the studio and out of the blue like everything was good

I just got super emotional. I was thinking about route and and then I Started thinking about this song from this artist Sally J who ratty was playing with back in those days and she was from Cartersville, Georgia and And like my first trip out there uh i was too young to be in the bars and in order for me to get them get for them to get me into the hotel cafe which was her showcase sally j showcase um for this album amarillo um they i sold her merch that night and uh they she had a song on that album that is called Miss Ader.

All right, so it's called Miss Ader. I'm having that emotional moment, present time, recording Southern Star. I'm thinking about all those days. And I'm like, fuck, man. During that time, Sally Rowdy, Sally's mom, I was so homesick. Sally's mom was country as shit from Sylvester, Georgia. She invited us all over to cook this huge southern

meal spread of fried chicken and mashed potatoes and gravy and collard greens and stuff. It was such a guiding light for me in a time of darkness that it was like a southern star. That last day, I get emotional and it hits me.

That's the 10th song. I got to record that Sally song. And so on the way into the studio, I'm on Riverside Drive. It's on a Sunday. And so there's nobody out. Everybody's at church in the South. And hovering over the middle of the road riverside drive is a fucking balloon that is a star balloon and it's just like over the road and uh i was like thanks round like i knew you know

immediately it's like that's for sure what it has to be yeah so little things like they'll communicate with him do you feel like sometimes like um when you're writing a record and you know like you say it's like some songs just come out of the ether is like an open vessel for you sometimes that vessel's not open or um well i'll say like this my first cut i got as a songwriter i used to wonder um is this 2008 and um there was a song that i'd written when i was 17 called hold me closely this sort of a spiritual gospel type song and it had fallen out of the sky i wrote it in like 20 30 minutes and um the oakridge boys were recording it and uh dave had flown in to produce this Oak Ridge Boys album, The Boys Are Back.

And we're in the studio. And Jamie Johnson comes by the studio. Miss Jessie Coulter, Waylon's widow, comes by the studio. And she's playing keys on this song that I had written. And it's the first time I meet Miss Jessie. And I say to her, right at that time, I just couldn't fucking write anything. I didn't know what was going on. And I was explaining to her that situation.

And it's like, Miss Jessie, I don't know what to do. I moved here to write and I just can't write anything that feels like it's worth anything. And she looked at me and she said, well, honey, right now you're living. So just live and the songs will come. And that's, that's what I always try to do. Anytime they're not falling out of the sky. That's beautiful. Fuck Brett motherfucking Cobb, dude. Let's go. My guy, my fucking guy. You have to live to write. You have to live to write. So like while you're living, do you feel like, do you feel like touring is not living to you?

Because you seem like you're most depressed when you're on the road. Well, if I'm moving, I'm all right. Only reason I get depressed on the road is because I feel like I'm not being a present father and husband. Right. But I also know that I'm doing what I'm meant to do. father and husband. Right. But I also know that I'm doing what I'm meant to do.

Really, the only time I get, like, really, for real depressed is, like, not here talking to you, but the moment we get off of this, this evening when I get done with these interviews, I'll be sitting here at this little apartment and be going, what the fuck am I doing, man? It'll get dark around here. Yeah, I bet. So, but that's really, I mean, if I'm not in motion, I've always been that way. Even as a kid, I would,

I mean, as a kid, I would say, like, I just feel like I have no purpose. You know, what am I doing? Like, so, I don't know. I might just be wired differently. I'm like that too, man. I mean, that's why we're so attracted to this life, this music life. Because when I'm standing still, I'm depressed.

Or if I'm by myself, it's like, what the fuck? And you can't tell that to normal people. Right. And it's weird because sometimes all I think I want to do is like, fuck, I just need a day to do nothing and be around nobody. And then the moment I get to doing nothing and being around nobody, I'm like, fuck, what am I doing with my life? Yeah. You know? Do you suppress that anxiety with drinking? That's what I do.

Probably. I do probably, um, uh, you know, I started drinking real, real young. Um, and I always say, I'm not, uh, other than those moments, I'm typically happy. I don't drink to make myself happy. I'm already happy. Sometimes I like to feel a little bit better. And, uh, so, but, but maybe, maybe it is, maybe there's some, something more going on in there. I don't, happy. Sometimes I like to feel a little bit better. But maybe it is. Maybe there is something more going on in there. I don't know. Yeah. Do you feel like you have to surround yourself with a bunch of people

to feel less anxiety, that bear, that wet blanket or whatever you say? Sometimes yes and sometimes no um sometimes i don't know you know it's funny you bring it all up though because i do think i think about it all the time like every second of every day like uh what is the thing that makes me tick or not

and uh yeah i think it has to be the balance of it all that like i have to get frustrated with having too much to do in order to then have nothing to do and get frustrated about that too and so a lot of times i chalk that up to like well man maybe it's just that is my balance. It's like, I have to have it all to, to, I have to all hand nothing at the same time in order to just keep being. And you know, this is what just, it's just my lot.

That's my lot in life. I suppose. Do you think family saved your life? Having kids for sure. Yeah, man, for sure. I don't want to get like dark or anything but

and you know i haven't ever really said this but like if i didn't have kids i there may not would be a reason for me to not just check the fuck out sometimes yeah um other than other than i've i've taught my cousin who's like my best friends like my brother uh he had a fucked up life and and we just always have looked out for each other he's with me on the road now he's been selling merch with me for the past five years but a few years back i asked him one night we're just hanging out on the balcony have a cigarette and i was like man um uh sometimes i go what what is the purpose of even being here you know like sometimes just bored sometimes it's like man i just wonder what's on the other side and uh but i asked him it's like what what keeps you from like checking out sometimes out sometimes? And he goes, well, he sits there for a second, he takes a drag, and he's like, oh, man, it's like, it's not my life.

I didn't give myself this life, so it's not really my life to take. And I was like, fuck. All right, you're right. You know, whether you're religious or anything, that's true. None of us, like, gave ourselves this life. We're just kind of fucking here. So, yeah, I mean, my kids and that bit of wisdom from Danny Boy, like, you know, I definitely, it makes me, when I am in those moments of like, I'm just fucking bored. me when I am in those moments of like, I'm just fucking bored. Then I do try to just take

a step back and go, I'm going to just experience it, I guess. I'm just going to fucking go through it, whatever it is. Yeah. I mean, we can't always have super high adrenaline lifestyles. We need to have that boredom in our life to fight through it

to see what we want as well, you know? Well, isn't that a thing too, where think about everybody's stimulated all the time, you know, their mind anyway, of like scrolling through and your mind's just like,

we don't have that moment of when we were kids, like you just be bored. Sometimes there was nothing else to do. And so your would wander, you know, naturally. And and, you know, you can see like there's like people post clips from like class of 04, you know, and everybody always comments under those kind of old videos. They're like, man, everybody seems so happy. And we know that that truth. always comments under those kind of old videos they're like man everybody seems so happy and we know that that truth but also there was a little bit of a like it does seem like there

was a more pure slight happiness from those days and i wonder if because it is because sometimes you just had to be lonely and you had to live in it back then you couldn't you know you couldn't trick your brain into thinking that you were in touch with anybody, which is now it is. Yeah, exactly. Right when we feel that minute of anxiousness, we pull out our phone and scroll through everyone's happiness.

We didn't have that. Did not have that. You just had to fucking dive in. You just had to be lonely. It's like, welcome home, brother. We're going to be here for a couple minutes. You have no friends. And you're not going to get to touch them. I know.

And you got to live with them. Yeah. Yeah, I get it, man. Brent Cobb, this has been amazing. We got to do another round of this one time. I'm going to come to Nashville. Let's write a tune together. I know. Let's hang out. Let's have some beers. We have so many mutual friends, man We gotta really do it

I'm about it, man, really I get you, bro Are you in LA? Where are you? I live in Denver, but I'm also I spend most of my time in Nashville When I'm not in Denver I hang out Vince Herman

Yeah Chris Galbuta That whole crew in Denver. I hang out. Vince Herman. Yeah. Galbuta, Chris Galbuta, and that whole crew. Those are my people. I always go right with them every time I have a chance. I'd love to. We did that jam in Vince's backyard a year or so ago.

God, it was so cool. Vince was just on the upright base. That's good people right there. That's one of the beautiful things about Nashville is all these guys coming and doing the picks at Vince's house. That's the shit where

you come back to after all those fucking... It makes me feel better knowing that that stuff, it does still exist. Sometimes when you come to this town nowadays, cause I taught like the tail end, you know,

of the old Nashville, you could still pull up at the rhyme and you could park at the rhyme and went into the security guard and shit, you know, and a lot of that's been lost, but, but then it's, and there's a handful of folks that's still keeping it real like that,

where it's a community. And it is, it's like true, where it's a community and it is, it's like true, pure fucking friendships, you know? And, um, I'm thankful for that kind of stuff.

Kind of reminds me like old Nashville, new Nashville, your new record. And now let's turn the page, you know, it's turning into this new fucking Nashville. It's pretty wild, dude.

What it is, man. I, you know, yeah. I mean, here, dude. What it is, man. Yeah, I mean, here we are. Right now, my view, so me and Adam Hood and Randy Rogers share this apartment right on Music Row that

used to be Randy and Wade Bowens, and Wade got out. And then it was this kind of place that in 2007, it was probably kind of place that like in 2007, it was probably really nice. But we, uh, out my view,

it used to was the last view down here, like on music road that didn't have, you know, like so much construction and all the bullshit popping up. But now of course they've, they've gotten a hold of it too. But, um, but yeah, get away gotten a hold of it too.

You can't get away from it, brother. You can't get away from it. I know. Well, keep your head up. You're killing it. You're one of the goats to me, so keep doing it. Keep doing the Lord's work and keep being a great dad and keep

being a great husband. My final question to you is when it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by, Brent Cobb? Just that I kept it real the whole damn time. There's some day that I think about this. I sort of come to terms sometimes with I'm going to have a bit of a John Prine journey where he was not fully appreciated until the very end there. And maybe appreciated enough then. But but then someday when I'm almost at the end, I'll I'll nearly take my last breath, and finally everybody will go, you know that Brett Cobb, yeah, he's pretty good the whole fucking time.

That's what I want. I think that with my career, too. I bust my ass doing 250 shows a year just entertaining everybody, and I feel that the last week of my existence is where they finally gave me my fucking flowers. Yeah. I mean, that's all I'm saying, man. It's like I intentionally am trying, I try to write my songs in a way that like,

you know, no, they may not be the number one thing on commercial radio, but fucking they can be enjoyed, you know. Right. I don't know, man. Well. Cheers, though, brother. Cheers to you, too, brother. I really appreciate it.

This was nice, man. I'll Instagram you my number. Let's keep in touch, bro. You got a friend in me whenever you need. Same. Thanks, man. Have a great day. Yes.

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