Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 247: Dan Reeder

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

A special message of gratitude from our friend Kris Lager. You know what we're thankful for? All of yous, our dear listeners. Thanks for making our lives richer by lending us your ear, so that we may fill it with all our hipster doofus gobbledygook. Plus! Some sordid stories of Andy's solo trip to Italy & Berlin. And on the Interview Hour, a special treat as we welcome Lafayette's legendary singer/songwriter Dan Reeder! Dan has a collection of songs from the past few decades that are brimming with humor, insight, and damn good melodies to boot. However, Frasco is left wondering: does the U.N. even listen to this podcast?? At the very least, we hope they're catching some zzz's post-european tour. Love ya, boys!  oh and guess what.... you can watch this episode; now in color!  Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker Kris Lager

What are you thankful for? Your friendship. Give me more than that. What are you thankful for? Sparkle in your eye. What else are you thankful for? I'm thankful for love. For my kids. For my wife. For my family.

For my band. For my friends. For the people who come to see our shows. To the people who love live music. To the people who create art. To the people who love live music, to the people who create art, to the people who do what they love to do instead of doing it for the money, for people who care about others and show compassion and love and don't hate on people for any reason because they know that hate and intolerance never solves anything. So I'm grateful for those people out there in the world.

I like to call them the sunny day soldiers. You know what I'm talking about. Well, I'm thankful for your dreadlocks. You better be. Happy Thanksgiving, Chris Lager. Happy Thanksgiving, Andy Frasca. I love you. It was live. Andy Frasca's I love you. And we're live. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast.

Sorry, I thought my house cleaner was coming in. How we doing, everybody? I'm Andy Frasco. How's it going out there? I'm in Berlin, my last day of my vacation. Man, I've been out on a fucking sabbatical, baby. I've been out on a goddamn sabbatical. It's been exactly what I needed. I've been out on a fucking sabbatical, baby. I've been out on a goddamn sabbatical. It's been exactly what I needed.

I've been shopping for myself. I did Thanksgiving by myself this year. That was a first. And I fucking loved it. It was nice. I needed it. I mean, I'm always fucking flying out to... My family kind of bailed on me for...

We were all supposed to go on a family trip. And they all kind of bailed on me last second. So I said, yeah, instead of flying back, I'm just going to do this solo adventure. And it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I'm always flying out to see everyone. I'm always flying out to make things happen for everyone else. I'm like, you know what, fuck it. I'm not going to make, I'm not going to have this ruin my day or ruin my

week. I'm just going to go out there, find myself because, you know, you never know when you need, And you never know when you need to realize that you love yourself again. It's hard to explain that without me thinking like, oh, I'm fucking depressed or whatever. I'm not really depressed. It's just when you give out a lot, a lot, a lot to everyone, sometimes you forget about yourself. And that's okay. We all do it. I mean, it's cool to be unselfish.

It's sweet to be unselfish. But sometimes you got to pump the brakes and see how you're doing. So while I sit here in this hotel room in Berlin before I have to go back to my band and shit and play shows, which are fun as hell, but draining, I'm here to tell you, how are you doing? Take a step, listen. Listen to your heart, listen to your brain, and like genuinely listen to it. How you doing? We don't really do that much anymore,

especially with like the fucking doom scrolling on the internet and watching the television and fucking just giving yourself to everyone all the time. So just you got to do it. I went to Europe. You don't have to do something extravagant like go to fucking Europe. Just go on a walk. Just go by yourself for a second

and truly ask yourself how you're doing. Not how you make other people feel, not how maybe other people might be mad at you, not how anything besides how are you emotionally doing. Because we got to get back to basics sometimes. Sometimes I had to fly to fucking to basic sometimes. Sometimes I had to fly to fucking cross the country or cross the world to finally be alone. And it was the best thing for me.

I went to Florence, Italy. I got picked up by a woman, which is fucking awesome. And then she flew to Berlin. It feels like Greece up in this bitch right now. I feel like I'm Danny Zuko in motherfucking Greece

Summer loving Happened so fast It's a blast you know I'm not looking for Who knows what's going to happen after this But it was just a great week I have no expectations I just went out there

I shot my ass off I ate all this amazing food I went to museums I always. I went to museums. I always wanted to go to museums. My whole life. I was like, fuck. But every time I traveled, people were like, ah, fuck museums. Let's just go out drinking or whatever.

So I just followed along. But this time I went to all these museums in Florence. I saw Jesus' dick. I did not expect to be that little. God damn. All these Italian dudes. I mean, that is a country full of confident-ass people. Everyone is just, like, I had women floating me on the street. Dudes just coming up to me and, you know, saying you want to have dinner and fucking, it was just, I'm like, and then I'm looking at all the statues. Everyone's got these, like, little circumcised, uncircumcised, or, no, little, statues Everyone's got these little circumcised

Uncircumcised The turtleneck is circumcised Little circumcised tanks I'm like god damn They're just proud to be Italian I'm like fuck yeah And I looked at that myself I'm like I need to be proud to be myself too

You're not going to be liked by everyone I was always so worried about Being liked by everyone Or making sure always so worried about being liked by everyone or making sure I didn't fuck up or say something stupid or just keep on doing content or keep on. I forgot to like myself. It took me 10 days to finally say, you're okay, Andy.

I'm not saying that in a cocky, narcissistic way. I'm just saying, just check in on yourself. That's all. And whatever it takes, whatever you got to do to check in on yourself, you got to do it because you're going to wake up one day. Who knows? You could wake up I did, at 35 years old or 36. Oh, fuck, I couldn't even remember. 88, 35, yeah. Or you could be waking up at 85 and asking if you love yourself. But at least try to do it now

so you could have more years of improving that relationship with yourself versus when you're fucking in your 70s and didn't maybe didn't spend time with your kids enough or maybe you didn't fucking have fallen in love or maybe you picked the wrong education you didn't follow your dreams whatever it was that's gonna bug you and bug you until your grave so just all i ask is just you got to do that for yourself. I know it's, um, it's hard to do that when, you know, all this shit's going down and how fast life goes and maybe you have kids, maybe they're fucking just everywhere on you. Just do that for me. You know, even if it takes,

it takes one minute to ask yourself how you're doing genuinely and be honest with yourself. And it's okay if you feel sad. It's okay to feel depressed. It's okay to feel that. You just have to have that conversation with yourself. So when shit really hits the fan and you are by yourself, you know that you can conquer it because you have faith in yourself. Okay, that was my sermon for the week. How's everyone doing?

We got shows. I mean, I have Dan. I've been holding on to this interview with Dan Reeder for so long. I love this man. Part John Prine family. What else? He's...

Hold on one second. My house is clean. Can you come back in like 20 minutes? I don't even think they speak fucking English or whatever. If they come in, we'll say what up to them. John Prine. He was on John Prine's record label. Dan Reader is one of the funniest,

like he got me into the John Craigs of the world. He got me in. He has a song called What Do You Want I want food and pussy He's this genuine dude Who writes brilliant lyrics He has quirky lyrics He has heartfelt lyrics

He has beautiful songs And he records them all in his house And I don't think this man gets enough Recognition that he deserves. So I'm out here to try to preach the word of Dan Reeder. And you're going to love this interview. He lives in Germany. He's a legend.

He's just a legend. And all the true songwriter heads, every time I, you know, whenever people ask, like, who's your favorite? Like, who's your favorite favorites? I always go, you always go The old school guys Prime, Dan Reeder John Craigie

Even though he's not old And everyone stops Dan Reeder You're going to love this interview with Dan The Europe tour has been amazing My Italy trip was amazing. Berlin was unbelievable. I went to this, I, we went to this, I felt like it was like secession.

I was in this fucking, my buddy Stefan from Mars Bra. He took us, um, he took us to this, um, this like private party. And like, it's all these discos. But this one felt like secession. It was the coolest thing ever. Then we knock on a door. It's under a railroad track. It felt kind of shady. Then you walk in and then there's

millionaires and billionaires just doing cocaine in this marble hallway. They had a DJ from Sweden who was just like, she was fucking beautiful. It was just surreal. I really felt like I was in secession. I'm out there with my fucking flannel on.

And it was truly a magical moment because I got out of my element. I got out of my own head. I'm like, ah, this isn't for me. I normally just poo-poo this shit and go to the pub or whatever and go drink some Jameson. But I'm like, fuck it. I'm going to be out here. I'm going to pull out my chain. I'm going to get out there and fucking be German for a day.

It was just a magical moment. Italy was the same way. I was smoking a cigarette and I found my realtor who stole me my house in Denver. They walked past me. They're like, Frasco. And I hung out with them for three days. We went to museums. We went shopping.

I got some fucking Italian sunglasses. Dude, I'm having a blast. And look at these things. This is hilarious. You'll think I'm so Italian right now. Head to volume. This is hilarious. You'll think I'm like so Italian right now. Head to volume.com and watch. I feel like a fucking movie producer in these glasses. Head to volume.com and watch a live stream of Dan Reeder and I.

And you can see my Italian glasses that I got. Hello, buongiorno. It's Andy Frasco. It was nice to be in Italy. And it was nice to be in Germany. It was just a nice trip all around. And I'm rejuvenated, and I'm ready to finish the rest of the tour. And speaking of that, rest of the tour, December, we've got to start.

I took 10 days off, so I've kind of been slacking on the tour schedule. off. So I've kind of been slacking on the tour schedule. But I'll be in Philly for two days. I'm flying there on Sunday. So two days from when this gets released. I'm in Philly right now. When this records, I'm going to the Eagles game. My friends got me tickets to the Eagles game. But I'm really going there because the Lakers are playing the Philadelphia 76ers. Who knows what's going to happen? Sixers look good, but I think the Lakers are on a roll,

so they might take it. Shout out to John and shout out to Jeff from Live Nation for giving me tickets. I really appreciate it. That was fucking nice of you You're the best

So tomorrow we are playing in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania Grab your tickets Oh shit we're playing Buffalo this week God damn it I gotta drink some water Get hydrated for that shit The 30th we're in Buffalo, New York December 1st we're in Columbus, Ohio

Shit these are all popping We're about to get it going with this December 2nd, I'm in Louisville, Kentucky I think Buffalo Yeah, all these have tickets Ticket sales are kind of weird right now Everywhere But grab your tickets

I know everyone's buying tickets last week But these are big rooms So help a brother out. I think Buffalo's almost sold out or halfway full. I can't remember. I haven't looked at tickets. I just haven't really cared about... I hope that... Don't take that

offhandedly, but I haven't really gave a shit about business for a while. It feels good to not care, because I fucking care too much. it's been nice. December 3rd, I'm in Memphis, Tennessee. Damn, this is going to be a great tour. I forgot about all these.

December 6th, I'm in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The 7th, I'm in Austin, Texas. Tom Segura, Joe Rogan, come on out. I got to call Bert Kreischer. Tell him to bring the boys out. December 8th, I'm inura. Joe Rogan, come on out. I got to call Bert Kreischer. Tell him to bring the boys out. December 8th, I'm in Dallas, Texas. December 9th, I'm in Houston, Texas.

And December 10th, I'm in Baton Rouge. Damn, my God, that's a long-ass tour. I'm staying in Nashville for a couple days. Go see my girl Erin Rae. Maybe go to fly to... Nah, it says Dallas versus Lakers. Mavs versus Lakers maybe fly out.

No, I'm not doing that. I'm putting that out of my schedule. I'm going to be too tired. December 13th, Cincinnati, Ohio. December 14th, Indianapolis, Indiana. Oh, that'll be fun. That show's almost sold out. I can't...

This is crazy. December 15th, St. Louis We're at the pageant It's the most tickets we've ever sold in a market now St. Louis is just fucking crushing it And we're almost going to sell out the goddamn pageant Fuck yeah, boys That's what I'm talking about

And then we end our tour December 16th in Fayetteville, Arkansas On Todd Glass' birthday I gotta call him And then I'm done Oh, I haven't fallen to Chicago December 16th in Fayetteville, Arkansas on Todd Glass' birthday. I got to call him. And then I'm done. Oh, I haven't fallen to Chicago to see the Lakers. Damn, I got all busy as December.

But it's going to be good. My tour is done on the 16th. I've been on the road since October 25th or something. It's time to wind down in Denver. I think I'm just going to stay in Denver. I have like three months off. I have that February tour that we announced. But I'm taking some time off.

And it's podcast world. I'm going to see Nick. I haven't talked to Nick in a while. I know he misses me. But he doesn't act like it. He acts all too cool. Because whatever. Well, fucking never.

But I know he misses me. I know you're listening to this, Nick. I know you miss my ass. And then New Year's Eve, I have one show. Yeah, Outer Banks with Little Stranger. Congrats to them, guys. Those guys are fucking killing it. The boys are back.

Yeah, let's go get it. But yeah, I've been black. And this reader interview is a long, is very, it's, it's longer and I want to keep it long because, uh, um, I want to keep it long because he's the best and I want you to get to know Dan reader. Um, dialed in gummies guys, go grab yourself some dialed in gummies. I haven't had them in a while because I do not want to go to, um, European prison again. So, um, I haven't even smoked weed.

No, it's crazy. I haven't smoked weed in like two and a half, three weeks. Even when I was in Amsterdam, I didn't really smoke weed. I'm like not into smoking weed anymore. And I miss the Dowdy and Gummys because they make me sleep so good. And my buddy Steve-O gave me a couple Xanaxes. So I've been sleeping pretty good. My buddy, Steve-O, gave me a couple Xanaxes. I've been sleeping pretty good. No Xanax is going to

give you that dialed-in gummies what dialed-in gummies gives you. If you're in the Colorado area, go grab yourself some dialed-in gummies. They're the best in the business. True craftsmanship. True perfection in a gummy. It's the perfect dosage.

It's homologized. I think I said it right, finally. And great flavor. They taste good. They don't taste all fucking, you know, terpy. You know, like some of these gummies are just very fucking terpy. I'm like, eh, no, I'm good.

And, you know, It's December time, so if you want to go, if you're going to Vail or if you're going to Steamboat, they're out there too. Grab yourself some dotting gummies. Go eat a gummy and go fucking cruise that. Fucking ride the Narbros. I heard it just snowed again in Denver. God, I think we're about to get

fucked this summer or this winter. I think it's going to be snowy, but I think that's perfect because I think that's perfect because I think that's perfect because then I can just stay in my house and go get out and put on some pajamas and just watch TV for three months. I know I probably won't do that, but

it's a nice idea. Volume.com, guys, if you're in the live stream business, if you're in a band, if you are basically an entertainer, get yourself into volume.com. YouTube and the nugs are great.

Nugs.net are great, but you might as well get yourself in many fan bases as possible. And volume.com has a little cult following of people. And if you want to listen to my um all my interviews are stockpiled and if you want to watch all the interviews from my house or when i'm at my house or if i'm in the i'm in this hotel it's like it's a real nice hotel actually i'm at the hyatt and uh and uh downtown berlin and everyone's like all wearing turtlenecks and shit i'm like out there they had a cigar bar i I'm like, fuck it. I'll smoke a cigar.

I'm smoking a cigar with all these old rich Germans. It's been fun. Yeah, so go to volume.com and all the interviews are stockpiled and all the shows are stockpiled and a bunch of bands are on there

like Donato. Donato's blowing up. I tried to make it to his Christmas show in Nashville But I'm just not fucking I won't be in town But I'm going to be spending a lot of time in Nashville In the next couple months Making my record Trying to finish my record

Fuck, I got so much shit to do That's why it's nice to chill out for a second And I'll catch you next week. We have Catherine Blanford on the show. Yeah, as comedian. She's fucking hilarious. I got a few more. We have four more episodes until the season is over. I also got

Giannis Papas and Mark Norman. I can't believe I have those guys. Those guys are fucking comedy legends. Who else do I got? And then we're doing the awards ceremony with Nick We're going to do probably an episode with What else do I got?

Oh shit, I got Luther Dickinson That was a good interview too And then I'm flying to LA to do Leanne Kreischer's podcast Which is going to be great And then I got to interview Bruce Hornsby. It's going to be great.

I think next season, we already have fucking amazing, huge guests lined up that when I get home, I'm ready to interview. All right, guys. I love you. Like I said in the beginning of the podcast,

make sure you love yourself. Make sure you check in on yourself. You check in on everyone else all the time. Make sure you take yourself Make sure you check in on yourself You check in on everyone else all the time Make sure you take some time for yourself And realize I'm worth it too Oh and come to the shows let's go I got the band we're fucking on fire After this Europe tour

Fucking Germany was popping off Netherlands was popping off The band is hopefully sleeping I hope they're listening to this They don't really listen to my podcast Alright guys enjoy Dan Reeder Yo guys. Enjoy Dan Reeder. Yo, Chris, play some Dan Reeder. Play that song.

I got all, all the fucking work I need. I got all, all the fucking work I need. This man is a songwriter, and he will go down in history as one of the greatest songbirds of our time. In history as one of the greatest songbirds of our time. You know, probably didn't get famous until later in his life, too. Reader is going to be the same. So you're going to enjoy this Dan Reader. He's kind of like a Steve Pultz of the world.

You know, he's a great storyteller. He's Todd Snyder's. But he's quirky. And his lyrics make me smile, and make me cry And they make me everything Alright, enjoy Dan Reeder And I'll catch you next week All the fucking work I need I got all

All the fucking work I need I got all All the fucking work I need I got all, all, all the fucking work I need. I got all, all, all the fucking work I need. I got all, all, all the fucking work I need. I got all, all, all the fucking work I need. I got all, all, all the fucking work I need I got all the fucking work I need I didn't think I'd ever have the opportunity to talk to you, sir.

Dan Reeder, how you doing, sir? I'm doing great. Do you live in Germany? Yeah. What part of Germany? I'm in Nuremberg. Oh, Nuremberg. Southern, Bavaria.

Yeah. Actually, Franconia. My band plays in Bomberg all the time. Oh, yeah. There you go. That's not too far from there. It's a very nice little town, too. Yeah, tell me the reason why you decided to stay in Germany.

Aren't the people nice here? I mean, Americans are such assholes, you know? You know, I ended up staying here because i married a german girl and um i'm a painter and it's a great place for painters to to work for artists to work in general you know you've got um what they call socialized medicine here um which means that if you have any kind of a job actually even if you don't have a job you're going to be insured so you're not going to go broke because of some medical thing um more vacations yeah it's like no it's like uh it's a great place to live winter's a kind of shit.

You know, they're cold and long. Yeah. But other than that, other than that, it's super good. What really was... Yeah, keep going. Sorry, I interrupted you. What I found really good is that normal people, just like regular people, buy pictures. Like, they buy paintings and hang

them up in their apartments when i don't really other than maybe super rich people in los angeles i don't know anybody who does that there right or maybe you know some ant some ant paints pictures and so they've got one of those but um here it's kind of it's kind of a thing it's like a status symbol if you have a like an original picture what what gives you more peace making records or making paintings more peace um you know it depends it depends on the day, if I can't tune my guitar, you know, like some days you have a hard time getting your guitar tuned because you just, like, every little thing is wrong.

Yeah. Then that's probably going to be a day to paint pictures. No, I love that. Because, like, your paintings are so, they have so much depth in your paintings, just as much depth as you have in your records. And to know that you basically produce, record, all these records yourself,

it's pretty astonishing to, you've got this old-time Americana feel. It reminds me of guys like John Prine. And I know John Prine was one of your, who helped you develop a fan base or whatnot. He was on your record later. How much does John Prine mean to you? John Prine's been a hero of mine for a long time. I mean, he's written some great songs. And I wanted to, I made this record just sort of for the hell of it.

And I wanted to send it to a lot of people. But the only guy I could find an address for was John Pratt. It's like, no, seriously. You try to send a record to any of these other stars and there's like a wall there. It's like, boof. And with John Pratt, it was like, no, you want to send a record to any of these other stars and there's like a wall there. It's like, and with John Prun, it was like, well, you want to,

and I didn't know that he had a record company. I mean, he did, or he did, but I didn't know that when I sent it to him, but he was always, always very accessible and he was of course a huge help to me. I wouldn't have a uh a career if you want to call that as a musician if it weren't for john prime yeah no it's pretty it's pretty it's pretty beautiful what did he teach you about the music industry what did he teach you about business what he teach you about songwriting you know nothing He didn't tell me anything.

That's amazing. No, he really didn't. He was, he took me on tour with him like four times. I think I opened for him altogether 30 times. And he was like, just threw me, sort just threw me sort of threw me out there Al Bonetta said Dan would you like to go and tour with John he's going to be going across Canada

I said I don't think I do I don't do that I don't like that and he said well have you ever tried it and I said no and he said well then how do you know and it's hard to argue with logic like that so I tried it no. So I tried it. No, totally.

I tried it. And how was it? It worked. It was. How was it? You know, it's playing live music, especially alone on stage like that. And these are like pretty big audiences.

There are a couple thousand people out there and um of course the people didn't pay to see me they paid to see john prine but they paid a lot of money so you don't want to fuck up you know so so there's like so there's like pressure on you um yeah i i always describe it like this you've got there's a lot of stuff on the good side got there's a lot of stuff on the good side and there's a lot of stuff on the bad side yeah what was the bad stuff just just well you know it's like it it makes me nervous yeah the idea of going out on stage in front of 2 000 people with an instrument i can't play it with my voice it makes me it makes me nervous man it's it scares me.

I'm never complete. Until I'm actually out there, I'm not comfortable. So the whole time, I'm like... And one of the sound guys showed me this Chinese breathing method to calm yourself down, where you breathe in on the count of three while you're breathing in then you hold it for four, then you let it out for seven, then you wait five

or something like that and you feel like you could actually stop your heart if you just did that, it calms your way down until you quit doing it and then it's over then it comes back bam, just like that. So it's pretty much useless on stage.

Yeah. And that's what I was asking you. So do you write music just for yourself? These songs are so beautiful, Dan. Like three chords. Well, thank you. Food and Pussy. I mean, can you play Food and Pussy on a John Prine tour?

I don't think so. You and Pussy. I mean, can you play Food and Pussy on a John Prine tour? I don't think so. You know, on the first one, I may have. How was the reaction? You know, I've always gotten really nothing but good reactions. Okay, no, that's not strictly true. Some people, I've watched people walk out. Like I sometimes use salty language, I guess. Yeah, and there are people who are offended by that and they leave.

Or one guy told me that his parents-in-law were there, and they hated me. They were like, and they left. And so that made him like a fan of my life. But what happened, I have to tell this one story. We were in Southern California, actually Southern California, in Cerritos, Californiaia i think it was and the people that that do the stuff they do the the venue had heard that i sometimes use uh foul language on stage or that my songs like you know i got

all the fucking work i need and they said they weren't sure If they wanted to have me And I told John, you know Dude, if they don't want me, that's fine I can sit this one out You know And he said No, Dan Reeder is a relevant Contemporary songwriter

And he should go on And that is like That's like Ritter Schlag, It's like being knighted. Yeah, yeah. Odin, the goat. To be called a relevant contemporary songwriter by John Prine. Yep. I mean, Dan, you're one of my favorite songwriters. I got to clap it up for you, buddy. I'm clapping it up for you.

Thank you. songwriters. I got to clap it up for you, buddy. I'm clapping it up for you. Thank you. You understand loneliness, I really feel. Here in the kitchen, I love that song, You'll Never Surf Again. I grew up in Southern California.

I understand. I grew up in Topanga Canyon, near Topanga Canyon. I've been looking for a guy who has a little bit of dirt in them Who understands loneliness Who understands love Where did you start Who taught you how to

You know Put these words into paper Did you learn in Southern California Did it take you like leaving America To finally find your art form Tell me about your early life um no i'll tell you about um sort of my development as an artist yeah totally but that happened i mean i went to cal state fullerton and studied painting there i started off uh studying engineering and um i noticed that like

i was taking these math classes and that's my my stupid thought was you know once i'm done with this class i'll never have to do this shit again which of course is ridiculous if you're an engineer and the guys the guys in there and it was really all guys um who went on to be engineers they loved to do that and they would do like math while they were watching tv so i noticed you know i sort of like the engineering side of things i like sort of the principles but i really do not like um stuff. So I started taking art classes and I loved it. And the thing about it is with art, I mean, I was a painter. Basically, they tell you, we can't teach you how to paint pictures you know we can teach you how to mix colors we can teach

you sort of basic things about composition um we can teach you through experience how to criticize paintings um and we can yeah and you're in sort of a scene where that's an acceptable thing to do you know paint pictures and talk about pictures, but nobody can tell you how to paint a picture, which is like, well, okay, great. You know, you're going to college. Did you like that type of challenge? Yeah. Well, I'm like, of course, you know, challenge accepted. Um, and it's true, you know, nobody can, nobody can tell you how to do it. So you have to kind of figure out a way to do it. Well, it turns out the way I paint, I've been doing since I was maybe 13 years old, like making little sort of cartoony drawings. We used to pass them back and forth in school.

And that's what I still do. We used to pass them back and forth in school. And that's what I still do. So I haven't really, like, except that I use paint now instead of a pencil or a ballpoint pen, I haven't developed at all. It's just exactly the same as it always was. music like when I well my guitar that I used for the first record I built I won a prize in Nuremberg they have these like city

prizes it's not like a huge win or anything but it's there's a bunch of money it was like 10,000 euros I won that and this friend of mine who knew I was sort of sick of the art

scene came by with a book called How to Build a Steel String Acoustic Guitar. Knowing that I was just, I had a bunch of money and I would jump on that shit. And so I didn't have a guitar at the time, so

I built one. It was kind of a weird looking thing., you know, at the time. So I built one. It was kind of a, it's a weird looking thing. Hold on, did you know how to play? You know, we always had, we always had guitars at my house. Like my brother and me would play together and stuff, but I didn't have a guitar in Germany. Wow. So, so I made this guitar, which I do not recommend, by the way.

It's a waste of time. You can buy a totally good guitar for 300 euros. It's better than the one you'll build. And then I just also built a bass, like just a box bass. And yeah, I just built a bunch of stuff like that and started well a guy who gave me a computer and i had to sort of pep up the computer over time to get it fast enough to record audio and yeah you know you can only sing um farther along and angel band so many times, and then you want to do something else. So I did. And,

you know, cause I love the doubles. Like I really like how you produced it without even knowing what the fuck is going on is actually so beautiful, Dan, because those records are so intimate and like, I could really hear the doubles and the vocals and like that, I feel like that i feel like

that's your sound you know like all those doubles and triples of of those harmonies those like kind of like really close harmonies were just yeah was that who inspired you to do that or just like i don't fucking know i'm just gonna do three harmonies on that you know uh no you know um i always sang harmony my father was a minister and and I would sing like harmony to the songs in church. And I would sing harmony stuff with my brother. My brother is actually a professional singer. He sings in Disneyland. Oh, really? pirate band in disneyland he's been doing it for i don't know how long but um he can i gotta say he can do it way better than i can he can do those tight those really really close harmonies you know where it's like yeah that little tweaky jazz shit yeah he's really good at that stuff but the thing is when i was like i would have loved to sing in a choir, but my voice was so quiet that, like, the choir director would go like, like that all the time.

He couldn't hear me. And, you know, people with, like, normal voices just blew me away. So you couldn't hear me. Yeah. And the computer made it possible for me to sing harmony with myself. Yeah. Which was like, microphone. Huh.

All right. Microphone. You know? with myself yeah which was like microphone huh all right microphone you know and i could i could sing these harmonies with myself and it was fucking fantastic for me yeah i loved it yeah i mean you could really hear the intimacy in these tunes like that first record in 04 i mean god like also like clean el Come on, bro That song Honestly, I'm a deep fan of you And a lot of my friends And songwriters We do the 250 shows a year

And we really do Talk about you a lot What was the first song that You felt like I might be able to do this other than painting I never you felt like that this is i might be able to do this other than painting um i never really felt like that i still don't feel like that i'm i'm they want me to make a new record i'm like can i do that fuck i don't know why are you uh why are you so insecure about yourself what happened when you're a kid that made you so insecure oh it's just it's just like um you know if i'm sitting around and there are musicians around

and they pick up a guitar and they start playing they fucking blow me away or people um okay like in the meantime i know a lot of musicians and i think well they're all as musicians they're all way better than me they just you know they fucking they're just better got you know playing the guitar doing this like trick shit that i can't do and i go god okay or this one guy here in town he's like a yeah local hero blues musician i handed him my homemade guitar and he played a couple of things on it. It was, it sounded like a completely different instrument. It's just, it's a finger thing.

Right. I don't know how he does that. It just, it's, uh, yeah. So, so,

um, yeah, that's where my insecurity comes from. These other people are fucking better than me. But then you have guys like John Prine praising your name. What years was it when John Prine was saying, Dan, you're the man? Was it that record?

Or was it Sweetheart? No, it was the first one. And in fact, I got home one night from the pub, and it was like 2 in the the pub and I was like two in the morning and I was like, and I got a call from Al Bonetta, the manager or actually the president of Oh Boy Records, or as John would say, the daytime president. I love it. He said, nothing happens in the daytime he was the performing guy anyway I get a call from Al Bonetta

and he said yeah we got your record and we'd like to put it out on Oh Boy Records that was the yellow the yellow record the first one which like fucking blew me away I was like what

huh and The first one, which like fucking blew me away. I was like, what? Huh? And even better than that, John said, because they said, well, you know, he could come to Nashville and record it over and, you know, do a better job on the recording. And John said, I like it the way it is. Let's just leave it the way it is so the only thing they did to it there was one there was one song at the end i think that we took off uh which was kind of a yeah didn't didn't belong on the record really the only thing they did was they they mastered it and got it so it was the correct loudness They mastered it and got it so it was the correct loudness for a CD.

And they fixed it so you don't have to dive and change the volume all the time. So the volumes were the same. But they left in the noise. They left in the mouth smacking sounds and shit. Yeah, exactly. That's what I love about it. It's so intimate. It feels like I'm hanging out.

I'm having a pint with you while you're doing these songs together. Some of them I listen to and I'm like, God almighty. You can remove that stuff instantly now. Yeah. I've got plugins, like restoration plugins. And they're like, you want to get rid of mouth smacks and clicks? Just click on that. Tell us how much you want to have left over yeah yeah i thought yeah so were you feeling inspired were you feeling inspired because like

oh four you release that and then in oh six you release sweetheart so like that's not a lot of time to make a whole new record did you like were you pumped up that prime was like on your ass and like you're like this is fucking tight. This is. No. You know, nobody, nobody ever really put me under any pressure at all. And actually the first record came out in 03. Oh, wow. And Sweetheart came out in 06.

And I didn't know if I could make another one. I was like, really? I don't know. Yeah. You know, cause I'd always just sort of taken my time and done it when I wanted to. And then they gave me a contract for two or three records. The first one was for two, and then the next one was for five. And I was like, can I do that?

And it turns out I can. Do you need to get pushed? Do you need to get pushed a little bit to fulfill your dreams? No. No? No, not really. Yeah. What happened was, though, Sweetheart, I realized if I was going to play on stage, I needed songs that I could play just with a guitar and one voice. Yeah.

So I started making songs that I could do with just one voice, without the harmony stuff so much. Yeah. Because I thought, fuck, I need to be... It was really hard to find songs that I could do without the backing vocal stuff. And I wasn't... I could have, I guess, recorded the backing vocals

and just used them somehow but i didn't want to do that or like pedals you don't like pedals to make it feel like you had a harmony but that that didn't feel genuine either right no i've got one of those gizmos here actually i've got that and i've got waves it's called waves harmony which is i gotta say because you play the you play the the harmony voices on a keyboard it's it's fucking fantastic yeah like you can you can do stuff there's a woman that i collaborated with one time named penelope antenna and she uses that very effectively man she's like she plays just wonderful using that that uh waves harmony thing yeah i mean i feel like all those tools can help uh you know at least make the sound fuller and

bigger because you never wanted a band right you just wanted to be you well you know i had a i was sort of in a band where it was like I had to. They wanted me to play at this night of blues thing that they do here every year. And so I got two women and we practiced and

we did that. They were called the Oo-Oos because I would be singing the melody and the lyrics and they would just be going you know that that stuff um and then i was in another sort of a group was this one of one of those background singers and her husband um yeah but you know yeah i just i just don't especially like to do it. Yeah.

Playing live like that. Do you remember your first concert where you thought some of these songs would be awesome and then they just totally fucking bombed? No, it never happened. Yeah. There was one situation. Actually, my very first live performance My very first live performance.

That was in Leeds, England at a thing called the Fuse Festival. Put on by a guy, a radio, an English radio guy named Andy Kershaw. And basically I opened, I started the thing. And then a guy came on named Condabongo Man. Have you ever heard of conda bongo man i haven't no i haven't all right well conda bongo man is uh he's like a congolese uh superstar he's like the michael jackson of the congo and he goes on stage and he's got a this gigantic bass player and he's got these guitarists who play like like yeah kind of stuff and then and then he's got two female dancers who are like we're talking about like the best dancers the congo has to offer right and they and they do

like just spectacular fucking i mean their butts go like this and you look okay and you think how did they make their butts do that like i tried to do that with my butt in front of a mirror just to see if there was like anyway it can't be done they start doing this thing with their butts and then they start then they start doing this thing with their hands and then they start doing this thing with their heads it's like uh i was told it's sort of a language this this kind of dance but after after condo condo bongo man has played you're not going to sell any cds that people are like totally totally into condo bongo man has played you're not going to sell any cds people are like totally totally into condo bongo man he's awesome it's really spectacular thinking about like your younger

life a little bit and i was wondering what was um the loneliest you've ever been in your life you know i don't know if i even get lonely really yeah like that's kind of a yeah being being by myself i've always been a very sort of by myself person yeah and like lonely like maybe the loneliest i get is when I'm in a crowd of people and they just don't acknowledge me or I feel like they don't like me or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. You ever dealt with heartbreak? Well, you know, when my high school girlfriend dumped me, I did. Yeah.

But that wasn't even heartbreak, I don't think. Yeah. It was more like sort of just change, and change is not good. Yeah. What don't you like about change? You have to act differently all of a sudden yeah yeah what about being older is like getting older do you like being older or do you not like being older i do not like being older at least you're honest how old are you i'm 35 yeah i'm 35 dan okay fuck 35 man you're like

you're like in your peak you're in your prime yeah i'm 68 i'm 68 right now and you know like um yeah just little stuff starts going wrong and you you're you don't have the energy you used to have um well when i was 35 when i was living here i was like i was out going to the pub and drinking beer and staying up till midnight all the time yeah i'd stay up till two in the morning and then get up and go work had a job as like a house house painter it was not a problem just you know you can do it You get older And You don't do that anymore Do you still drink? It's not super bad Do you still drink?

Oh yeah They got really good beer here Yeah I'm more of a beer guy Than a wine guy I don't care for wine so much Any other drugs? Did you ever get into substance abuse with Coke or anything else?

No. No. When I was in high school, we did whites sometimes, which is, I'd say, really fun, but probably in the long run, not a good idea. Yeah. And of course, marijuana. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, marijuana. Yeah. Yeah.

Like just the Southern California in the seventies was, was like, you could get anything. Yeah. You know, I don't even actually, the last time I smoked pot, it was in Seattle.

This friend of mine, uh, I was up there and I couldn't, I couldn't leave because of that volcano in iceland oh wow so i was like stuck i was stuck in seattle and this guy let me stay at his house and i hadn't smoked pot in about i don't know 30 years or something and he gave me a hit of this like modern up-to-date kick-ass marijuana it's like one hit and i felt like i was floating it was like fuck this is fantastic it wasn't at all like the stuff we had when i was you know 18 19 20 that was like where you'd smoke two joints to get that stoned.

And it was just wonderful. It sort of surprised me. Yeah, because what? I had quit smoking. I had quit smoking pot because it was increasingly making me sort of paranoid. And I thought, man, if it's not fun,

then let's not do it. And it was just not fun anymore at some point did you get into nicotine or anything did you get into nicotine or anything oh yeah yeah i used to smoke man i used to smoke cigarettes like like crazy yes you drink a beer you smoke drink coffee you smoke you smoke you take a take a smoke break it's like what's the and then i keep going i quit i'll tell you the story of me quitting smoking um i was it was actually um i quit smoking because of one of those john prine gigs as an encore i always did a song called waiting for my cappuccino which is just off sweethearts acapella off sweetheart yeah yeah i think so yeah i've been waiting for my cappuccino since 1969 and i'm beginning to suspect that the waitress forgot me anyway

i'm like halfway through that song and i've and my throat was because i smoked was like clogged up and i sang a wrong note like really just fucked up and somebody way up in the back went like this. And I heard it. It was like completely embarrassing to fuck up a note. Just sing wrong.

Like, oh, Dan. And I quit smoking right after that. That's not going to work at all. Right. Oh, man. So how much time do you have for me? Can I have a couple more minutes of your time?

Is that cool? Yeah, right now it's 6.30. They told me it was going to be an hour. Perfect. So we're like halfway through. Okay, so California. Talk about this. Let's talk about California a little bit.

In the 70s, was it about psychedelics and stuff yet? So California, talk about this. Let's talk about California a little bit. Yeah. In the seventies, was it, was it about psychedelics and stuff yet back then? Was it conservative? Cause the seventies, like it kind of like turned, I don't know if it turned in you in Orange County or were you in like, uh, I was in, I was in the seventies. I was in Orange County. Yeah. We were, we lived in Linwood till i was 15 and then we moved to

orange county yeah and that was a whole different scene right um like in lynwood um on fridays every week after school there would be a fight like these guys they would meet at the cannon at the park and they would fight. And it was like, that's what you do after school on Friday. And then we moved to Orange and nobody fought. There were no fights. There was nothing. It was like completely, well, it's like rich people.

And there was no, there was none of that. Well, there was also the racial tension was pretty much gone right um because they shoot everyone away yeah they shoot all the shoot everyone away yeah it was almost all white yeah was it pretty conservative that yeah extremely yeah in fact yeah it was just it was well that area is known it's still known for being conservative right you know orange orange county is like uh just a super conservative super conservative place whatever that means now yeah i mean actually the the republicans are more radical than uh than the democrats at the moment, I would say. My dad's your age,

and he got arrested multiple times for going to concerts and just being a kid. I'm like, in California, in Los Angeles? It just seems so strange, but it was pretty much Los Angeles, like San Fernando Valley. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley. So he was like going to concerts and, you know, he loved cocaine. So he was getting in trouble.

Yeah, he was getting in trouble in California. And that made me think like, was the art scene more in like San Francisco, Northern California than it was in like southern california like what i'm sure it was yeah like there was there was nothing happening in the way of art where where i was in orange it was well like where would an artist go yeah you know you had these sort of uh there was sort of like uh chain bars and they have these like booths where you could go and sit in a like a leather booth uh thing and drink gin tonics with somebody but you you were not even uh you weren't

even communicating with other people in the bar right you know right it was like there was no at least i didn't know i don't know where I would have gone to meet artists there. There was, like, no place. And here, well, I've talked about this before, but this is, like, for me, a super important characteristic of Germany. And that is, let's say you go to a beer garden, and beer garden and it's crowded and you see oh there are two seats over there hold a table full of people but there are two free seats so you can go sit down there yeah okay it's like yeah of course you don't have to have a table all to yourself you go and you sit there with these other people okay you don't know who these people are they might be

doctors and lawyers they might be bikers they might be uh bricklayers you don't know who they are yeah but you'll sit down there and you'll drink beer and you'll talk about whatever with them you know like just sort of what's going on and uh um yeah just sort of normal normal stuff stuff that you would talk about with your friends um and what that does is it sort of um it sort of cements the the the fact that that it's a society right you know exactly like um yeah no like americans are more sort of every man for himself yeah i want to table to myself. And so what happens is they never, Americans, you know, in public settings, don't talk to each other.

You know, it's no wonder that they have these weird conspiracy theories and stuff. Man, they don't talk to each other. Right. What's your take on creativity and when art comes to people? Well, there are strategies you have to use, I think. Like if you're a painter, what you do is you make sure that you've got all the paints you need.

You make sure you've got canvases or masonite or whatever you paint on. Make sure you've got the brushes you need. Make sure you've got everything set up where if you feel like painting a picture, it's there. And it's the same thing with music. You got to have a, you got to have your stuff set up where it's not a huge thing to, to turn on the recording computer, you know, or have, have the guitars. Like I don't use guitar cases i think they're

like a mistake because you have to like you have to like open it up okay they're good for carrying them around but but a guitar in a case is kind of a pain in the ass you have to open the case pull the guitar out it's like really and then put the case somewhere or close i don't know how to do it um so i don't ever have my guitars in cases yeah yeah it doesn't make sense what about when you tour you just hold that but then of course no you have to have any cases there but that's not a that's not a that's not a situation where you're going to be um thinking no i think i'll just go and play something you know that that's like an extreme situation. The other thing is, as for forcing it, yeah, you do have to sometimes. And there are little techniques or little strategies you can use for that.

Like I discovered a long time ago that if I, like if i can just tell myself okay now i'm going to paint a really pretty picture like flowers and birds and you know and it will always end up being like just really nasty the minute i tell myself it's going to be sweet and pretty then it ends up being like just gnarly and the other thing i can always always do is just sort of think about what I do that's ridiculous and use that. Because you can always find something ridiculous about yourself. Right. So that's just sort of strategies. sort of strategies with music um i'll just sit around and play play the guitar and like sometimes uh well you know this you get you some note comes in it sounds really good for some reason

like better than it did yesterday yeah i don't know why and so you're like huh that's good i should do something with that in it and record that. And actually, my first record, that's how that was mainly done. Like, something sounded good that day, and so I was like, all right, we'll use that. So it was never about being successful for you. It was just about making art. Well, that is being successful. If you make stuff that you're happy with then you win right and there's really man there's there's no better feeling than making something where you go like

fuck that is exactly what the world needs right now that is exactly right you did good yeah um it's a great feeling it's amazing feeling why feeling. Why is this Americans have to put financial gain with our art? Why are we so focused on the money side of the art versus just making art that we feel that's going to help the world go around? Well, you know, money is important. You can't just fucking ignore money. And I don't ignore money either. The thing is, my experience has been if you do something that you're satisfied with, you'll get money. Right.

And if you do what you really love to do, then it'll work out one way or the other anyway. Right. And if you do what you really love to do, then it'll work out one way or the other anyway. I mean, that's maybe like goofball metaphysics, but really my experience has been that if you're doing stuff that you like to do, then it works out. And if you're doing stuff that you hate to do or you feel like you shouldn't be doing, then it will not work out. Right. Do you ever like had like, like someone commissioned you to do a piece of art and you're like, fuck this, but I did it because of the money.

Yeah, of course. What was the worst one? What's the worst one you did? The worst one ended up being not that bad actually um i did a calendar called um macho vision macho visions which was like um like pictures of of me um fighting dinosaurs dinosaurs with spears and crossing an ocean on a kayak and fighting sharks. And there was one, there was one picture and it was called, it was like a picture of this giant sort of dinosaur looking thing laying there dead and me standing there with a knife. And it was me with like a saying, what do you call it in English?

The little bubble where you say something? Yeah, word. Yeah. The text was like, there's nothing better than a short curved knife for beast fighting. Okay, so. Someone commissioned you?

Did that Dan just do whatever you want? Or was it like? No, this was like, this was like, I made a calendar with these pictures on there. And this, my wife's cousin's son wanted a painting of that. And they said,

paint it, you know, we'll'll pay you and so i started to do it i was like oh fuck i don't want to do this and it actually sat in my studio leaned up against the heater for 12 years and then just recently i got a uh, like I'm a Windows computer guy, but Apple came up with this M1 chip. Yeah. And recently, the M2 chip. And I thought, fuck, man, if you can just keep stacking plugins up on there and the computer doesn't choke up i want one of those so i got one okay and it's um the problem is my my recording program doesn't work on one way on mac i use samplitude and so i had to use like uh logic, which is a fucking different world.

Right. You know? Right. So this kid, who is now no longer a kid, he said, you know, Dan, if you finish that picture for me, I'll come and show you how to work that Mac. So I said, all right, deal. come and show you how to work that Mac. So I said, all right, deal. And so just a couple of weeks ago,

I finished that painting and he came by and showed me how to use the stupid Apple computer and Logic Pro. Does it take you a while to make paintings? Like finished paintings? Usually, no. Usually it's like bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And in fact, that's kind of important

for the way i paint it's like you want to be thinking that while you're painting it like it should be a fresh fresh idea right um and to to like um spend a long time on a painting never worked for me does not make my pictures better to make them better it's better to just go sort of like yeah it's like a vomit

like a song let's call it a vomit that's really how it sort of is and keep going I used to paint it i used to paint a lot at night and i would like i might paint 10 pictures in one night when you know you start one ah damn it that's not right and then do the next one and you go oh that's good but

and the next one's like an improvement on that and just sort of going back and then the next day i wouldn't even know what I had painted. Like, I'd have to go in my studio and take a look at what I had done. Right. And either it was like, hey, great, or, of course, sometimes disappointing. If you only could be remembered by one thing, what would it be? Painting or songs? Huh. I think I think I'm going to be remembered more

for songs now. Yeah. And I think I know which ones, even. Which ones? It's going to be Havana Burning, Clean Elvis, and Born a Worm. Oh, Born a Worm is a great fucking song, man. See?

Yeah, Clean Elvis. Can you tell me a little bit about that? I got two more questions. I'll let you go, Dan. Tell me a little bit about Clean Elvis. What made you write a song? I mean, the lyrics are there. I don't know.

It's like three different melodies all in one song You know it's like All these different You know old school Songs you know I just think it's such a beautiful It's such a beautiful song I'm really proud of that

But I have no idea Where it came from It's like What I call the power that comes from nowhere Like sometimes out of that but i have no idea i have no idea where it came from it's like it's like what i call the power that comes from nowhere like sometimes you paint a picture and you have no fucking clue where that came from yeah it's like okay so you just sort of take it yeah no i mean no seriously if you're like if you're like uh sitting in front of sitting in front of an easel and you've got all your stuff there

and you just sort of start painting, sooner or later that will happen. Where you get just a little burst of... I don't know where it comes from. It comes from nowhere. And that song was a little bit that way. Do you think art is like you're an open vessel? You're not making this art? Do you think the ether is making this art? Or do you think you is like you're an open vessel? You're not making this art?

Do you think the ether is making this art? Or do you think you're in control? I don't like to go in that sort of direction. But actually, my experience has been that it does come from nowhere sometimes. I don't know how else to say it. has been that it does come from nowhere sometimes. It's like, yeah. I mean, I don't know how else to say it. Like some pictures I can't really take credit for. I don't like the vessel thing because it's too sort of metaphysical for my taste.

But it actually, it does work that way sometimes. Not always, but... What about energy? What's your take on death? My take on death is... All right. When you're going to talk about death, you have to talk about God. If you're going to talk about God, you have to talk about the possibility that there is no God.

All right. So I see it like this. We don't know if there's a God or no God. So any decision you make, if you decide there is no God, it's just your decision. But it doesn't really make sense to decide that there is no God because that takes away the hope that there is, in the end, some sort of justice. So I think it makes sense to believe that there is a God, because why would you choose no hope instead of hope?

We watched, my wife and I watched this show in a series called Shtisel. I don't know if you've heard of that. I haven't, no. Okay, it's like a series about these ultra-Orthodox Jews

in Israel or that's the scene where it happens and okay you're jewish you you're going to be familiar with all these they everything they fucking do has a law attached to it like like everything and so i started thinking about that like why why would you why would you do that um why would you have like every fucking thing be sort of controlled by laws? And the answer I came up with was they've decided

that number one, there is a God. They've decided what their God, what he wants from you. And they just keep doubling down on that. And I think it's sort of makes perfect sense that way, where it's you're acting as if. Like, yeah, as if there's a god and as if and that just reinforces that um that that decision that there is a god and let's face it if there is no god in the end there's not going to be anybody there to laugh at you anyway. Right. So why not go with that? Right. I don't know.

I'm sure that any reasonable rabbi would laugh me out of the room for my theory of Judaism or belief in God in general, But that makes sense to me. Isn't that just optimism? You know, no. No, it's not just optimism. Well, maybe it is. Maybe it's like... We like to believe better things, you know? Instead of just

always thinking everything's shit or there's nothing. This is this is black this is you know yeah but why not right i mean it makes more sense than than just assuming that it's going to just be an end and there's nothing there exactly um you know i think you know, I don't see myself as being like an extremely religious person or anything, but sort of a belief in God makes the world a little bit brighter, a little bit, because, you know, in the end, then there will be some sort of justice. Okay, that can be spooky too, but you'd like to think that, you know, in the end then there will be some sort of justice okay that can be spooky too but you'd like to think that you know in the end something that you were where you were misrepresented or misunderstood

that that would finally get cleared up don't you you know it's like i want that i want that hope and and uh yeah yeah i mean whether that's how it's going to go down, we don't know. But yeah. Well, Dan Reeder, thank you for your time. Your brain is unbelievable. I really think you're one of the greatest brains we have right now. And I'm just thankful that I get to have a conversation with you. I think you're an amazing songwriter.

I think you're an amazing songwriter. I think you're an amazing painter. I would, if you have time, I'd love to commission you to make a painting about maybe if God was, you know, dinosaurs and attacking with laser beams and stuff, you know, yeah, I'll talk to your people. Maybe if you have time, I would love to hang one of your arts on my walls. Okay. That'd be awesome.

I can do that. And I'll be back. I'll be in nuremberg in november um oh yeah so we're doing uh we're doing a festival in nuremberg um god not rock and ring remember rock and ring i don't think that's nuremberg but that's where the race cars go rock and park rock and park yes we Oh, you're doing Rocking Park. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn, okay. Yeah, so I'm going to be,

but I'm going to be in Bomberg for a week and a half, so I'd love to maybe stop by and have a coffee or a beer with you. That'd be great. Yeah, I'll go to Bomberg. I'd go to Bomberg anytime. It's a great town.

Dude. We're going to have one of those Ralph beer, those smoked beers. Yeah, the beer that tastes like barbecue oh man well keep the dream alive Dan this is one of the

moments where I'm going to cherish forever because I really do love you and I really do love your art so thank you so much well you're quite welcome good talking to you have a good one Dan, thank you so much. You're quite welcome. Good talking to you. Have a good one, Dan. Thank you. Bye.

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