Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 25: Adam Greuel (Horseshoes & Hand Grenades)

Episode Date: October 30, 2018

Andy & Yeti discuss the sweet smell of human stench. Get thee to a pheromone party! Also, we have Adam Greuel from the hard hitting bluegrass harmonizers: Horseshoes & Hand Grenades! Gaze into Yeti's magical, musical crystal ball and listen in on the future of Phish. Will future Trey's new sound win the hearts of the chompers? Only time (and a lot of ketamine) will tell... Happy Halloween, y'all. Drink lots of water, take care of one another, and remember to vote on Nov 6th. This is Episode 25. To keep up with the podcast, follow us on Instagram @WorldSavingPodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. Follow our guest, Adam Greuel and Horseshoes & Hand Grenades at www.hhgmusic.com Produced by Andy Frasco Yeti Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Shawn Eckels Andee "Beats" Avila Brian Schwartz Floyd Kellogg Arno Bakker

Alright! Oh yeah! I like dessert but I know what's better I've got the tools that can make you wetter Woo! Legs are spread, I can almost taste that. It doesn't matter if there's too many hairs. Maybe just pull down those underwears. Licking Puss, Licking Puss. Whoa, we're lick and pushing. Lick and push.

Lick and push. We're lick and push now. World's Every Podcast. Let's do it. And we're still kicking still beating still rounging still savaging that's round i just made that up i like that it's like it's like roughhousing and lounging yeah it's like that'd be rounging rounging i like it right browning around the house what's that song what song that's a fucking 90s it's the well this is andy frasco's world-saving podcast with yeti we'll just tell

you that right off what's up guys before we get into it i want to say it's like a weasel lounging around the house damn things are a lot easier back then 90s like that all they do is write a hit about lounging around in the house. Now you've got to write songs that are saying the same things, but in words that millennials will get. Like Avocado Toast. Avocado Toast is my girlfriend. Yeah, it wouldn't be like Saturday in the park.

It would be Saturday at brunch. You know what I'm saying? That's what we should do, is rewrite all of the great hits from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. And make them millennial. And make them AM Golds. That's AM Golds. Let's get Waddy Drotic on it. Those guys- Those guys would do it. Yeah, or I'll get Sean and them. What's up, Yeti? What are we talking about today, buddy? Have you heard of pheromone parties?

No, tell me. What you do is you wear the same t-shirt for three days, and you don't bathe. Then you go to these pheromone parties, and everybody fucking stinks, right? Because it's BO. Are they all trying to fuck each other? The idea is it's that,

and it's more than just a base level like that. It's more like your connection is going to be with somebody that doesn't offend you on a on a pheromones level on a scent level can you brush your teeth yeah i think so i don't know i've never gone to it but i've heard of these and i'm just like that's interesting you can't wear any cologne yeah you're supposed to just be au naturel for three days. Ooh. Yeah. I sweat too much for that. Which three days? That's what I want to know. I'm like, I could do that in Idaho, but I couldn't do it.

What if I do it on a Sunday? Oh, God, at the end of your weekend. At the end of your weekend. Three days. Isn't that what Electric Forest is anyway? Big ass pheromone party. Oh, fuck. Yeah, dude.

Yeah. Okay, so either you could do that or you could just go to Electric Forest on the weekend. And then go on a date. And then go on a date on a sunday yeah i see that though i think that makes sense because i get it i start getting unattracted to someone who has a weird stench if you're i mean that's body yeah yeah you're like you're like whoa that doesn't jive with me i mean yeah i get i'm not talking about like when somebody hasn't bathed for three days, although that's really taking. I mean, that's kind of just going like,

you're going to find out right away whether or not that works. Or just like, everyone has a smell. You're right. Some smells, because I'm going deaf, so my smell is really strong. I can smell pretty good. You feel like it's taking over? Your nose is getting bigger, too.

Well, that's just because I'm Jewish. No, it's because everybody your nose is getting bigger too well that's just because i'm jewish no it's because everybody's nose gets bigger throughout their life but yeah you have an exceptional snage but yeah that that's i'd like to go to a pheromone party i'd be curious in that i think that's a cool way of going on a date just seeing how people are going to be in their natural habitat not all dolled up with fucking. It's so funny how what's in now and what is. Cologne and perfume. Sorry.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's so funny to me, it's ironic what is in now, like these types of things are the complete opposite of what the majority of people are doing. Like it's, you know,

most people are on Tinder on whatever match.com. They're on a social media profile. And then for dating, trying to meet people. And now there's this in thing that's like, hey, let's just go hang out and listen to music, which is exactly how we all started fucking 10, 200,000 years ago. It was just hanging out and listening to music. And drinking mead. I wish.

Basic cheer. and drinking mead. I wish. I wish I was dating in a time where there was absolutely no social media or cell phones. I think it'd be a fun, it'd be a new mystery. Because you could feel like,

you could get to know someone's life without even meeting them through Instagram and Facebook and kind of understand. You get to know the life they put out there. Exactly, who they want to be. Yeah, exactly. And you can see if they're trying to just do it

or act too cool about it or trying too hard, aka Yeti sometimes. We talked about this. And me too. I remember when I'm trying hard too. When you're overdoing it. When I'm overdoing it. it's different from putting in work.

Yeah. You know, overdoing it, like just trying to, you know, click bait likes and that shit. I feel more dirty when I do that. And people see through it.

Yeah, totally. It's not authentic. It's fake. It's like when you see those people that have thousands and thousands of followers and yet they only get like 150 likes on a photo they post. You see through that reality. And the thing is, they can have that reality all they want. And I don't have to be jealous or envious of what they're creating.

I mean, if that's the world they want to create, that's fine. I mean, if that's the world they want to create, that's fine. But if we're going to talk on a podcast about being conscious and present, then we're going to do everything we can to live that out. Yeah, we were talking about this before, how social media makes you unpresent, makes you focused on the memories someone had yesterday or focus on the memories they had fucking throwback thursday you know like yeah just like being in the conscious moment now i mean it's always good to have a distraction but

if your distraction is six hours of fucking looking at people's past there's no different than fucking uh overthinking in your head about your past. It's the same. You're attracting the same part of your conscious. And you're not, I mean, that's not moving you forward. I mean, like you said, that's out of, if you're just looking at things that already happened. I mean, that's all the pictures are, is the past. Yeah.

And it's great to keep them. Yeah. They're great memories. But how many pictures do you like out of all fucking 10 000 photos you have on your iphone or whatever how many pictures do you go back to and look at the at times 250 out of 10 000 out of 10 000 easy yeah and the ones that those are my favorites those are the ones that i want to see that i go or i go back and i reference it if i'm going to show somebody like what i looked like when i so we're taking photos of three-fourths of our photos

of stuff that we're not really interested in right we just think we might be interested at some other point you think someone else might be interested at something right and and that goes i mean for me and not so much for you but it's only because we're almost 10 years apart for me i'm a zen yeah i'm a zennial and i i grew up in an analog it's a it's a generation z slash millennial like it literally means that you had a is that just like no it's a real getting old you feel like you're old and you're trying to relate with millennials i mean you could look at it like that but really what it is is it's saying that you had a analog childhood and a digital adulthood so like like I didn't, like I had,

you had computers all through elementary school, right? You're like the transitional. Yeah, exactly. You had computers and I didn't start on computers until my seventh grade year.

I had computers. We didn't have computers in the classroom until I was in middle school. We didn't have, yeah, I had computers in elementary school. Yeah, you did.

You definitely did. And so, and that's the difference. Anyways, what I'm saying is like, I grew up, my dad's a photographer. Oregon Trail. Yeah.

Oregon Trail was that shit. It was the first fucking game we learned how to play. Yeah. And like learning how to type and shit. I remember my dad taking photos growing up and he all, I mean, we have hundreds of pictures and slides, like things you put in the thing and project and all that. And he was big into it and it's all film. And I remember learning to take pictures in a, in a film capacity, in a film format, and that you only had 35 pictures. You couldn't snap off.

Now I can snap off 35 pictures in my iPhone, which has arguably better optics than my Fuji did, my Fuji film camera from back in the day. But I mean, yeah, I could snap that off in 10 seconds, not even that, you know, know three seconds but it's not the same like I'm not looking for the shot I'm not looking for something and we're not and that's what this digital age has done is just made us go quicker and quicker and quicker and just discard things that are beautiful and document everything and yeah and then we're spending time editing it instead of being right there. You want to take pictures of an event and take video of an event so you can remember it?

Asian community is fucking deep in that. I feel like whenever I play Asia, most of the times, I have to take four or five songs because they barely speak fucking English over there or not at all. So I'm like, hey, get the fuck off your phones. We're getting this. I'm like crowd surfing the fucking crowd So I'm like, Hey, get the fuck off your phones. Yeah. We're getting this. I'm like crowd surfing the fucking crowd. I'm jumping it.

I'm making a crowd serve you holding their phone. Yeah. I always make sure that the venue gets everyone a wireless for those type of shows. Oh yeah. Yeah. So I get in the fucking crowd. I get my band,

whoever I'm, we're throwing them into the fucking trenches. Then once they're in, then they're like, Oh, okay, fuck this my phone's gonna break

so I'm gonna put it back in their pocket and and then that's when I get them I mean but that's just part of people's culture

like you you hardly see that in Europe people on their phones I know I remember seeing your you don't get too many tags from like shows

and they're in the moment I mean they don't like when I played with the Foo Fighters and the muse and shit they were in that moment right like they're waited for me it was i mean we played an arena at 2 a 2 p.m and you know that's normal if you know time slots for festival that's a shitty time slot typically typically and these people showed up 20 000 people show up waiting for me just to fucking do it you know and we didn't sell we've only sold maybe i don't know at the most like a thousand tickets hard tickets right and you know we've done like 10 000 person festivals and 50 000 but that's a soft ticket yeah so having know, you got to be dedicated to come out at two and two and watch a band.

Well, and that's a testament to the festival as well. The fact that the people know if they're going to buy a wristband, they're going to go see some kick-ass shows. And I think that's another thing. I mean, I've heard that from other people that have played Europe and have traveled Europe that, I i mean because they spend their money they you said this they live to work they don't work to live or they work to live not live to work and so um the they don't they may not make as much money as somebody as a counterpart

in the stateside but they just do they enjoy it more they do more with it. They enjoy it more. They do more with it. Yeah. And the whole idea is to enjoy that moment. So if they're going to spend $150 on a festival wristband, the reason they're doing that is because the whole festival is worth it, not because there's two shows that are worth it. That's why I love comedians are starting to have everyone, like Chappelle is great about that. He's like, turn off your phones.

We're going to lock them in these bags, and you'll get it at the end of the show. Oh, he puts those out? That's great. Yeah, half because he doesn't want- He doesn't want the content going out. Well, yeah, and he's probably doing the same bit a lot of the times.

Right, right. And second, yeah, they don't want you just fucking being out of the present. I mean, that's a comedian's worst dream is you focus on something else while they're making you do a think joke. Right, Exactly. They're setting up this punch

line for five minutes for the callback and you missed the original joke so you don't get the callback that kills. You got halfway through the joke you decided oh I got a Snapchat or Instagram that. It's a double edged sword because for a musician, a working

artist, it's great. You're getting marketing for everything because for a musician a working artist it's great you're getting marketing for everything else but you're not getting the full potential the moment that the artist is trying to get right so i mean really if you want to support art i think that i'm getting a lesson in this in a way is that if you because because as an mc and as a live event host i do that what i've found that is the best thing for a band is to um yeah record a video and tag the location and and that's it and post it some other time or post it ahead of time like right away but don't don't do their whole show like just do a tag right at the beginning or do it just keep a still frame yeah a lot of the jam scene you know they were like recording and stuff yeah like no

disrespect to that just put it on a frame and then so you could fucking enjoy the moment instead of like holding your phone right exactly prepared to do it just get that get like that selfie stick that could connect to your dick and shit you know like so it's just like it's just right there move you know just get the one on the helmet that's up above the fucking go pro on the helmet porn star style

for a fucking jam show just point of view point of view I get that you can't get we need to do that we need to do point of view on

from the fro that's funny that we'll call it that we need a small enough camera there's one we got a micro I'm not gonna fucking be an idiot we'll model one we'll model one we'll call it a small enough camera there's a micro i'm not gonna fucking model one we'll model one after your penis oh oh my god what did we learn today yeti we learned that um

we need to stay off our phones stay off our phones we say this all the time yeah and yet when you and i hang out we get on our phones so much i know like the guys honestly like we are saying like we are so fucking guilty of this that's the reason we talk about it is because we are the worst offenders we will definitely not you know accuse without saying cast the biggest hypocrite when it comes to this shit dude because i'm always on my phone and what i'm trying to do is stay only be on my phone when i need to and force myself to turn it off because we are addicted to these fucking things we are we're addicted to status we're addicted to the uh endorphins and the the pathway that that's created um this is a serotonin thing like this is all has to do do with the chemicals in our brain and

the pathways we're creating. When you look at a screen, it alerts you. It's like you're hunting because you are. You're looking for something. You're scrolling through. This goes back to a very primeval, primordial call within our DNA. We're hunting and we go into that and like this is why people get aggressive on social media because they're already in that hunting state they're already in that aggressive state um yeah the difference is when you just i think i'm guilty that 100 you're like think about when you go when you go show up to a concert like with your meeting friends you show up to a busy place and you're trying to find them, you're looking everywhere. You're just looking for that person

that what you remember them looking like, right? Yeah. Like, and then, but if you just go and you just people watch, you're much more relaxed. You're just chilling. You're taking it all in. So it's difference between hunting

and just observing. So when we get on- Stop hunting. Yeah, stop hunting. Act more like a fucking vegan. Stop, get off tinder get the fuck off tinder i just deleted tinder yeah my friend courtney said no you'll need this shit you you will meet people in person i just deleted tinder i'm still on that celebrity dating site

that's i mean i get that on a certain level having met you but also i mean it's pretty pretentious i don't know i don I don't, I, I go back and forth on that because here's the thing is we're in a hyper-connected world and there's for, for artists in particular. And I found myself getting more and more into this realm is that you, you want to be able to talk about your life and share your life with someone that understands it. And people honestly that work nothing against that but people that don't that's not their job i'm not going to say that do this but people that that's not their thing there's no way to understand that and like i've only started to understand this

yeah you know things like uh you think of people like even actors and actresses like people that are in film and television like they work solid for six months like they don't do anything for six months yeah but that yeah and you and then they have a month off and they just do whatever and they're here yeah and so that's but that's my point is that that's why that it's a different life than what most people live you're telling me we should delete like all the farmers only apps too and shit if you're trying to like i just think that i categorize people i mean i don't think there's anything wrong with it i don't think there's anything wrong with it i'm just saying you're trying to find someone who has a lifestyle like yours yeah and i don't think there's anything wrong with that and we get to do that in this hyper connected way i'm saying for me after two

to three relationships that were through connect that started through that i've just realized that's not for me yeah like i need to meet somebody and connect with them on a personal level i can't just have this idea of who they are in a profile because we put our first our best foot forward and honestly the person that i'm going to build a relationship with we do that in all socially exactly instagram facebook dating yeah the people that like The people that I most connect with are the people that I see fuck up. Like I see them be a dork or just themselves. And that's cool because that's the way I am. I'm pretty much just a dork all the time.

Yes. He's like, yeah, you are. But I'm a geek too. That's why we love each other. It's true. Nerds. Nerds forever. Let's listen to this next interview.

Roll that interview Chris thank you and we are here please say your name to the court sir and what you do and exactly why you're in trouble

Adam Gruel occupation,, minstrel, focused, singer. Horseshoes, hand grenades. What up, dude? We've been trying to do this for a long time. Trouble is extensive. The first day I met you, you were hanging out with Vince Herman. That was like a jam cruise. Well, we played basketball. That was the first day. met you, you were hanging out with Vince Herman. That was like a jam cruise. Well, we played basketball.

That was the first day. Immediately. Immediately. Jam cruise. Creepers, creepers. I didn't know you were such a good basketball player. Did you ball? Hoop dreams.

Did you ball in high school? Yeah, actually, I did. Religiously. Yeah? Religiously. So tell me. Tell the story. Give me the background.

Where'd you grow up? What division fucking basketball were you in? Did you go pro? Yeah. Well, of course. No. Stevens Point, Wisconsin. The small town of Stevens Point, Wisconsin.

The whole band from Wisconsin? Yeah. Did you guys know each other? Spattered across the state. Spattered across the state. so how'd you guys meet we came to the university of wisconsin stevens point and i went there to play football believe it or not shut the fuck so you were see raylan was the same way we're sports guys dude yeah so like did were you playing music so you went you went to university wisconsin so i got there and i was doing well i was the the main backup at defensive end what going into the first game and the team captain at the time

his name was uh matt lunder he was kind of a cool guy in a way, but, but he said this thing, he goes, he was trying to pump people up and he's like, we're all this school's got the rest of it's just hippies and rednecks. What division was this? Division three. Still hard. Still hard. Still hard. Yeah.

Big, big, big, you know, giant humans running into each other. And you play folk music. That's so folk music. No. So, so he says this and it freaks me other. And you play folk music. That's so funny. Folk music. So he says this and it freaks me out.

And I'm just like, that is the most odd feeling statement ever in the world to hear. And I quit right after practice. And I met our bass player, Sam Oden, the next night. At school. The next night who introduced me to horseshoes. Oh, shit. And then the debauchery started. So what debauchery started what so what debauchery

what's going on well you know when we there was you know um it was college you know and all the experiences that start you know when you leave you know for us like none of us left home or anything we just went to college you know we we never like We never left home when we were 14 or whatever and started hopping trains. We just went to college and then those things started. The world came. Yeah, and it got really fun and it got really weird. Were you playing guitar? I was playing dobro

a lot then. You were playing dobro and kicking people's asses on the football field. It was weird. I had seen The Grateful Dead and stuff, so my perspective was a little weird. So you were dead bluegrass, because your music is kind of like this crossbreed. It's like bluegrass.

I hear a lot of folk in it, too. Your harmonies are sick. What would you consider? Was it always bluegrass? Was that always the thought? I think it, you know, you hear a lot of folks say this, but I think it came out of the necessity

or the ease of not traveling with amps and stuff. Yeah. We were all interested. We still are in all kinds of different music but we use one microphone yeah we use we use like one microphone and some di's and to this day it's so simple and easy and like that's what we find compelling so our music isn't necessarily bluegrass although it uses those instruments you know acoustic instruments what would you consider it i don't know isn't necessarily bluegrass, although it uses those instruments, you know, acoustic instruments. What would you consider it? I don't know.

Isn't that hard? Why do we have to fucking have a genre for, why can't we just say we are our band? I said new time, old time to something. I love it. What did they say? Were they confused? They sounded confused, yeah.

But, you know, that's, I like that. Yeah. That's just fine, you know. That just makes people want to come. So what happened? Did you hurt yourself? What made you stop playing football? I was agitated about his comment.

Really? Yeah, and I had this thing flash through my brain that I'd go through four years of college hanging out with. I feared that my perspective would be shrunk. Of college? Yeah. So you wanted to live the experience i just didn't like that it was like this this sort of like elitist bashing sentiment that was said and i ended up hanging out with various friends from the from the football days throughout college we

had a hoot i still hang out with them yeah but it just felt funny to me because i thought to myself i mean i identify as being like somebody who's into sports who has a little hippie a little redneck a little here you know a little jock and all that stuff and just like got along with kind of all different kinds of groups I was always curious about them so what was the moment like what was the moment where you're like all right I'm not doing this anymore it was right when he said that and I walked to the coach through my helmet I was pissed kind of feeling from it really threw my helmet down and quit right after that practice, before the first game even ever occurred.

Oh, so yeah, you didn't want it that bad. No. Did you have a scholarship? No. It was like the way D3 works is you just... Walk on? Yeah, exactly. And there's more to this whole story about Madison

and an arm injury and stuff like that. Have you watched Last Chance U? No. Oh, my God. So the D3 coach, and he's like, and he gets all these D1 players and that who just got dropped out of like, and they're like gangsters.

And he's like, you motherfuckers. Like he was talking shit. These guys are like, D3 takes this shit seriously. It's like, oh, my my god i didn't realize how serious d3 sports was any college sport i mean the way that it would have been for me is i would have been like you know kind of a slave to the system i would have been working out all the time were you taking drugs yes what kind of drugs i was on well i mean at the time i was really just a reefer smoker which of course we weren't supposed

to do yeah did they drug test you i don't think so i think if you got in trouble for something they did but then of course i mean we started our buddies started growing mushrooms fuck yeah got really good at it like what like how good really good like penis envy mushrooms is what they were and and so we we uh i got this position where i was booking all these concerts at the university i was like a campus activities person and so all these bands would come into this venue and i bought or rented so renting this house right by the venue yeah and so soundcheck would happen everybody come over we'd start partying you know with these bands everybody'd go to the show and right are renting this house right by the venue yeah and so sound check would happen everybody come over we'd start partying you know with these bands everybody'd go to the show and right after

the show the band would all come over and we have these house parties i'd be you know we'd be walking around yeah just like eyes bulging out of your head and this was a lot of this happened for a while yeah but we all actually, we all graduated. You guys graduated. So we met each other. How old are you? Freshman and sophomore years. I'm 28.

Okay, cool. So we met each other and we carried on in school while like sort of organically becoming a touring band. It started off with just near us. And then it ended up we're you know getting out across the state of wisconsin and then the midwest and and then by the time we all graduated we could have all gone off to our fields of study but everybody was like hmm well if we should just keep keep this rolling and so that's that's what you guys building a fan base in college yeah like. Like what? Where would you play?

We would go. Like Madison? Would you do regional stuff? Yeah. Well, by the time we were traveling out to Denver. Oh, cool. So you were really, while you were in college? While we were in college. So like weekend trips?

Like weekend warriors for like two years? Yeah. Super weird. Damn. At all, like working jobs and like trying to. How hard was that? It was weird. It's what you had to do though, right?

But we had to do it and we were doing it and it was fun. It was like going on an odyssey. You know how it is with your best friends, you know? It's like seeing- Those first couple of years of touring, it's like- So shocking. You make no money, but you're having the best time of your life because you're not really thinking about that.

Out of a soccer mom van. Yeah. You had a soccer mom van? Yeah. Well, yeah, you guys don't really have that. Out of a soccer mom van. Yeah. You had a soccer mom van? Yeah. Well, yeah, you guys don't really have that much gear, right? No. I mean, it's like nowadays it's an in-ear rack. Look at you.

But yeah, it was crazy, man. Look at you. It was cool. And college was an incredible time because we built this really cool... We've been the type of band to hang out at festivals and camp with people and stuff like that so the community kind of became really tight-knit like to this day i feel like i

can look out in the crowd and i can probably you know name on any given night 25 to 25 to 75 percent of these people wow which is i like a lot how How do you like... Is that why you're really deep in the bluegrass scene? It feels like it's such a tight-knit community seeing the green skies, seeing the little smokies, seeing fruition. All these guys who are basically

growing up together, leftover salmon. You guys stick together. You don't really see that a lot in a lot of different genre related uh festivals a lot lot of good feeling like um you guys are all camaraderie each other i mean that's positive camaraderie and for me it's really bizarre because i got into that stuff when i was young so like i remember sending paul hoffman from green sky an email that he personally responded

to i was requesting one of the records like early records and like we had like a somewhat extensive email chain back and forth about this record yeah just thinking about how like bizarre that is and i was you know at the time was maybe 12 you know was green sky one of your favorite bands biggest inspiration they were there yonder was the thing that I was chasing I would go to see I saw Yonder when I was maybe 13 What did you like about Yonder Mountain String Band? The songwriting and the energy

Was so, so intense then I mean in like the Would have been 2004 What's that homie's name? Jeff Austin? Jeff Austin So when he left the band Do you think it changed?

I think it changed, absolutely Why? Because I don't know much about that band was he like a blueprint like so he jeff austin is like the quintessential energetic front man yeah he he was very very talented and he he he was weird you know he is weird he's yeah he didn't die but um you know he's and and my experience with both yonder and him has really been positive like i love both of those bands and i love the new version of yonder too yeah but in that in those days growing up watching that was so crazy and so energetic and so inspiring i mean i would just be i wouldn't say a word the entire show i was just just dance my ass off and be so enthralled by the various aspects

of that band it really turned me on man that's so cool that you grew up listening to bluegrass i grew up in los angeles where i had to i had to like get out of california to understand bluegrass like bluegrass it to me is one of my favorite genres like i love old like i was i'd watch an old crow madison show like i was like what the fuck i need to do this so much energy yeah without a drummer yeah like how hard is it to have that much energy and like the energy that you need to throw a festival like a night play a night show but you know with your ensembles like figuring out what part of the set to put one song and what part of the set. I'm so curious with set lists.

A lot of those components that you brought up. But for me, it's about, we talked early on, I don't think it's come up in ages, but about how an interesting string band can create a drum kit out of the stringed instruments that exist. band can create a drum kit out of the stringed instruments that exist yeah you can kind of get that you know kick and and the snare and stuff like that out of these various instruments so you can kind of create that funky rhythm on your own but i mean we've taken it as both like uh uh you know we've seen it as both like a challenge and something that's like, you have your difficulties. To play after a band with a kick-ass drummer, that can feel daunting. But at the end of the day, it's like, who are you but yourself? Go up there and just play your ass off.

Don't worry about those types of things. And if you like a drummer a lot, have him play. Speaking of yourself, if you could categorize you as a musician with three musicians, taking from three, who would it be? Oh, man. Good question. I think it would probably go to where my heart is. So I think about where the passion is that I've drawn a lot of stuff from in terms of people.

Yeah. And first one that comes to mind partially because of recent experience would be Vinnie, Vince Herman, our guy, the way that he is, his energy is, is like nothing I've ever seen on stage before.

Yeah. He has a way of, of drawing in with the crowd, breaking the boundary between crowd and performer. It's his eyes. It's his eyes. Must be the eyes. Love Vinny.

But he's just got, you know what I'm saying. Oh, yeah. There's just some kind of crazy energy. There's an aura. Yeah. And everywhere he goes, he's the life of the party. And a comfortability, like just joy inside of his soul so so you got vince herman who else you got um i really really like the guitar playing of jerry garcia yeah and it's because of that

sort of free-flowing nature that he has. But it would be very, very bold to say that he would be part of who I am. So I guess I sort of retract that. Or inspiration. Inspiration is more the way that I'm... Like if you saw yourself in a mirror when you die, like when you're 120, of course, and you see your body of work like yeah vince jerry i totally

see that in your in yourself who else tick not han who's that he's the the buddhist writer he's this really really interesting dude and he sort of said what is he right um philosophy i mean there's something about yeah yeah um he kind of saved my ass like going through a time period of what what happened like utter i hit this point while while really being on the road the middle of my horseshoe's career where i was like incredibly anxious i had grown to this point of like dehabilitating anxiety yeah and what triggered it you know i think it had to do with like um direction confusion in life you know you wanted to be yeah who i wanted to be if i you know i'd just gotten out of school i'd just gone through a breakup the the world was

wide open you know like i think we spent a lot of time putting ourselves into boxes to feel comfortable yeah and that's part of what he breaks he breaks that concept you know and yeah and one big thing was just like the the beauty and the concept of breathing which you know i ended up of course this stuff has made us made its way into songs i've written let's go back into this anxiety stuff yeah i. I'm curious about this because I go through it too. I had a big meltdown last year. And that's when I started taking psilocybin mushrooms and stuff.

And I kind of got myself to stop thinking and not stop thinking, but when your brain starts poking at you, the anxiety thing. The sort of haywire aspect. You answer it. And say, all right, instead of suppressing it down

and holding it for another day, it makes you. So what was triggering the anxiety in a sense of, were you making money? You weren't making that much money. Was it your parents on your ass? Like, what was, you had a girlfriend, you're on the road too much what was it you know i think you know people talk a lot about triggers um but for me it just felt like it was coming out of nowhere which is what was really perpetuating that feeling because your life was going good yeah

yeah i mean you know the awareness that like you know we're really relatively lucky in this day and age yeah to be able to be a traveling musician on the road and whatnot yeah you know it to me it was confusing that it didn't seem to be connected to anything in particular but you know but it had to have been because you wouldn't get anxiety. So maybe you were looking at your life. Part of it was the way I was taking care of myself. Yeah, you're taking drugs, not sleeping. Making sure that you remember this and that.

Some blow air in there, LSD here and there. You don't have to say it, but yeah, I get it. So do you think it's sleep deprivation i sleep a lot really yeah you sleep a lot now 10 hours what about when you're going through anxiety i were you partying until like 4 a.m then getting an 8 a.m bus call no i don't i mean there was a little bit of that i think it was more like a lack of physical activity sometimes anxiety i've found i can like work it out like i can like yeah sweat it out i can i can i can run play some basketball things like that you know to me anxiety is like a really ominous creature that can come from many places for many people some of it's based on past experience some of it's based upon the moment. Some of it's based upon the moment. Some of it's based upon the life direction you're going in.

What was that direction, though? Where you feel like you're just partying too much and not staying strong with the music? I don't know. I mean, I still party pretty damn hard. Yeah, you do. But I mean... But what was...

I don't get... I'm trying to figure this out for myself. I think another one for, for me about that is putting mass amounts of expectation on yourself. I think I've found that like, you know, expecting going into a festival with like an intention of, uh,

doing, doing this or that, as opposed to like, like for instance, at Jam Cruise, I never said to myself, I need to make sure i connect with andy frasco yeah or i need to make sure i go play basketball with andy frasco

that was just the result of finding some sort of flow and being present so mindfulness is what tick not han talks about yeah and that to me has been the most advantageous aspect of sort of stopping this really really challenging cycle for me i mean it would be like you know this would hit and i just like wouldn't be able to like you know i would go on stage but it would be so painful it wasn't social media triggers us on our phone being on our phone all the time i don't know sometimes i wonder if that's just a distraction from those feelings. I feel like sometimes people get anxious.

It's a distraction from mindfulness. Yeah. Because you're not staying in present. If you're staying present, you want to get anxiety about the past or the future. So those moments of pure mindfulness, per se, like when I'm on stage, when you're on stage. Is that to you?

Finding the center of the flow. I'm not sure about the social media thing. I know people talk about that as being an aspect of it. I think the one that I've heard of people discussing was that people tend to post the sort of embellished... Life that they want to have. The embellished life, yeah. And I'm certainly guilty of that.

Me too. But it doesn't... I don't think that that's much of a thing for me. No? I think it's more about this belief of being like, you're like, oh my God, I'm 28. I still live paycheck to paycheck like yeah you know we're still riding around in this kind of like wonky blue bus that

like you know i accidentally sort of ran is it because we had expectations we thought by 28 that and i i'm i go through the same thing like i thought i was going to be in a tour bus by 26 you know and like you know these ideas that are like not realistic or just luck a lot of those guys get lucky you know yeah i mean those types that's not our path you know that exactly and and that's to me one of the things that's led me out of anxiety like that what you just said that's not my path yeah like knowing what what is what's what's for you to to be part of and what what isn't and and being accepting of what the universe kind of kind of offers you and like you know really retaining some degree of thankfulness for for um the highs and the lows and the in-betweens.

Yeah. And, you know, somebody said in a documentary I saw recently, something to the effect of, you know, when you're living life, it,

it tends to feel like it's, everything's just exploding around you. Like it's just some kind of utter shit show. And then as you grow older, you look back and it all is some perfectly laid out puzzle. Yeah. And I thought, man, that's so true for even just like I'm 28 and I can even look back right now and feel a little bit like that. Yeah. You know?

and feel a little bit like that. Yeah. You know? I look at my past, like if I would have done some deals that I thought was going to take me to that spot, I wouldn't have got the deals that I got now. You know? So you're right.

That puzzle, that path, like stop trying to force a future that maybe the universe doesn't want to give you at the moment. It'll give it to you. Exactly. Exactly. And the beauty of you know i believe that that you can sort of will yourself somewhere i mean i think that intention for your road is important you know knowing what it is that

that you really want these core tenets you know like uh i want to be a a loving accepting person i want to not be a racist dick yeah i want to not be you know wildly misogynistic running for supreme court yeah you know like i want to you know things like that and i think that that's really healthy but um you know when it comes to like long-term I think that that's really healthy. But when it comes to long-term goals, understanding the beauty and the sort of path that the universe helps guide you and that your friends are part of too. What's the dream, bud? the dreams to travel around and, um, make music with people I really like and see a bunch of places, meet interesting,

expiring, inspiring people who eventually expire. And, and, uh, you know, if I, if I can manage to get to a place where I could, if I chose to support a family.

A small family. Do you have a girlfriend? Why a family? I do have a girlfriend. Yeah. And she's kick ass. And she falls into the category of really inspiring people for sure. She's in Nashville, actually.

So that's what brought me there last night. You are in love I can see in your face You're smitten about this chick I'm smitten I mean I just are I think I still like

You know Blowing baby powder now Dust Blowing dust everywhere I still smell like Mexican food and sex It is halftime At the Enni Fresco interview hour. And now, here's a segment we like to call Musical Crystal Ball.

Let's see what the future may hold for Fish. It's the year 2048. Coming off their 17th hiatus, the Chompers have grown to an extensually large mass. Hula hoops, ketamine, and glow sticks surround the shakedown lot like herpes at a frat house. The band is in a pickle. Do they settle to the Chompers? Or do they play the headiest goddamn set of their goddamn lives?

Let's hear what kind of tricks Trey has up his sleeves tonight, and this day in Fishtory. Divided sky, the wind blows high. Divided sky, the wind blows high. Divided sky, the wind blows high. Top the Brace I was listening closely on the stream, though, hoping to hear some chomper start screaming out about Wedge. Did not, though. The light in the sky, the wind blows high.

But, man, the chompers don't know what to do. They don't know how to dance to that song. They don't know how to twirl what to do. They don't know how to dance to that song. They don't know how to twirl their shit around. They don't know when to throw the glow sticks. Do you write a lot of songs about girls or do you write songs about life? What's your main concept on lyrics? All those, I think.

Of course, to me, it's the things that make you really feel something in life, whether that makes you laugh your ass off or makes you hurt super bad or just makes you get so overbound with joy that you can't speak. To me, it's about the things that you really fucking feel. What do you feel about now? What are you writing about lately?

feel you know that you can what are you feeling about now what are you writing about lately i've been thinking about like the uh well a lot of things empathy i've been thinking about like compassion and stuff for um you know we just had fucking ice come into wisconsin and ship off like 84 immigrants and that is is hard for me to swallow and think of so compassion for those types of things around america particularly and then um thinking about this just this interconnectedness you know it goes back to vince hermit because he's really on my mind and you know talking to him and having all of these questions about i i read a lot about like bluegrass and old country music and stuff so all of these things come up and vince has been around the music scene for so long that i can ask him about this and that and he has you know real tales that have never been written and maybe never will be so

you get to hear that stuff and he introduced me this week to jeff hanna from nitty-gritty derpy which is the first band i saw when i was five years old and you remember the first band you saw at five it was it was like incredibly in my brain as what was that moment to you when you met that guy? How did that make you feel? Grounding. Why? Because you meet these cats, and one thing I've really learned doing this out on the road is that you meet your heroes, and you just figure out that they're very similar

to you, that it's just like talking to your neighbor. Yeah. We're all in this together. We're all like talking to your neighbor. Yeah. You know. We're all in this together. We all meet in the middle eventually. Yeah, and I remember thinking about like the rock star mentality and stuff like that. And man, in my experience,

I just meet so many freaking cool people on the road that like Vince hung out with Waylon Jennings. Yeah. They recorded a song together, you know. Did Vince do your record? Who did your record? Dave Simonet. Who's that? He produced it dave simonette trampled by turtles singer yeah he's the shit too i mean talk about an incredible songwriter um but yeah so what are you learning like what do you like when you're

studying these guys like vince and dave his name dave right, right? What do you want to get out of them? Not like selfishly, but like when you're in the tool shed and you're working on your songs and you're taking, you know, inspirations and parts, like what are you looking for in Vince and what are you looking for in Dave in songwriting? What do you look for? How to tell a story, how to be, not in songwriting, but in life in a story how to be a how to not in songwriting but in life how to be a good person yeah and how to sort of what's being a good person to you

um being compassionate um trying to be loving to people trying to be understanding trying to um um within the means of your own energy be there for people you know hear their story be able to listen things like that are you happy right now yeah yeah i definitely am i'm really happy when you guys went on tour with green sky right yeah we did for for man there's a lot of dates. It feels like it was quite a long time. Dude, like you said, you met these guys at 12. Didn't know you were going to be in a fucking bluegrass band at 12, right? You just love their band.

Look at you now. You're sharing the stage with them. I know. That stuff does make me really happy. But really what makes me the most happy is going around and meeting people. These odd chance occurrences like i met this i was walking up on the medicine wheel in the bighorn mountains the other night we had some time off and i like felt like i needed to drive to the mountain so i drove

16 hours to the bighorn mountains to go i couldn't stop thinking about this sacred place to native americans the medicine wheel and i went up there on the full moon late august full moon and ended up like meeting the shaman and and would you go by yourself yeah and and just ended up like so i go up there and they're finishing the ceremony and out of respect i stayed at quite a distance and as they finished they sort of walked past me and I just smiled you know and thought to myself man I would would have really liked to have like seen that whole thing or like talked to them about it and stuff like that and so I went and did my own thing for like an hour go hike out of there driving down the highway don't know where I'm gonna stay it's getting dark that night and I just sleep in your car yeah we're in a tent i had a tent too just go wherever you know

kind of follow the flow and so i see this sign for a lodge and i pull into the lodge because i'm like i wonder if i can not eat baked beans tonight and maybe like go eat like see if they have like some food there you know or beer and so like i pull in i walk in this room and it's it's that shaman what and several members of their group did you go and she turns this woman turns the shaman when i enter and goes well that's interesting we were just talking about you well and i like my jaw kind of drops and she goes, will you join us for dinner? So I ended up joining him for dinner and having this fire and doing these like ceremonies, like relating to like throwing these pine cones in the fire to like sort of release

these past transgressions. And like, it was just this trippy and like really influential night that i you didn't know you needed needed it until it happened kind of a deal what were you talking to these hippies about they weren't hippies they're legit shamans yes like what were they doing just well the one was a shaman they were up there because it was a really spiritual time period for the for the natives because it was this full moon late august i don't know i could feel it was supposed to be this huge shift time and so they're doing ceremonies you know this the medicine wheel is like an astrological

clock that's been laid out like no one knows who put it there you know there's alien beliefs and things like that related to it i just believe that it's been there for a long time from native culture yeah there's actually like six of them across the country but the bighorns is the one that like people sort of know a lot about but so chance meetings like that and i feel like the road what we do lends itself to these sort of unique encounters that end up like impacting the way you see the world yeah so that makes me happy yeah you realize you're not alone you're not alone you know like we talk you said you've all these conversations i have with all these artists we all have this thing that we're all going through the same fight you know we're all going through the same fight. We're all fighting this living in a van, eating gas station food in the morning,

and having a venue meal at night, and meeting people at truck stops on cigarette breaks. Those are the reasons why I keep doing it too. I love the travel. I love realizing that we're not alone. travel i love realizing that we're not alone you know we're so stuck in our heads sometimes that we forget that there's billions of people probably feeling the same way we're feeling so stop suppressing your feelings and let them out and the beauty of togetherness yeah the fact you know that i don't think there is such a thing as being alone although it feels like that way why do you think we we feel like we,

do you feel like we like to torture ourselves? Yeah, you know, maybe there's like a little bit of masochism in the general populace, for sure. I mean, there certainly is for me. The self-loathing aspects, I mean, half, you know, in my early life, it was half the songs I probably wrote, you know. So I think there's maybe a little bit of that.

What were you insecure about when you're in your, or self-loathing, whatever you're loathing about? Oh, you know, some of the things that I've sort of, like, you know, now I think about it as things that I've sort of let go a little bit. Like, you know, in early music days, you know, vocal ability. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, the bluegrass scene is.

They sing like angels. do oh my god that'd be so much pressure like a normal singer guy it's kind of hard yeah well that's you're a great singer yeah but like you know i totally i'm i'm the same way my i was a basketball head you know like going into a band who's super talented i could sing and i'm the worst singer in my band you know it it gives me a lot of aches like fuck i better i better pull my weight or i'm totally totally difficult for me um in fact so i used to chain smoke reefer yeah and like how much weed were you smoking a day oh i don't know like you know maybe not like maybe between a half and an eighth or something like that yeah and so you know it was harsh in my vocals pretty hard so then i discovered of course like the the vaping thing yeah and that was awesome but um so there's that you know and

like early on though no no just do it like i just do it a little quantity yeah fuck yeah i can't stop you'll smoke the whole pot i'll smoke the whole vaporizer in a day i know it's crazy we've been guilty of that but you know things like that like i was just definitely a bit of a self-conscious person like growing up you know yeah things like you know i even remember and looking back it was more just like dudes trying to get under my skin but i remember getting picked on for like you know being a little overweight and stuff like that shit that i don't care about at all anymore you know but it still hurts the ego you know like when for me i don't know for me like you know i've always

had a weight problem self-consciously yeah i. I look at these fucking shrail-ass heroin addict fucking lead singers, and I'm like, I got to be like him. That is not healthy, Andy. That is just starving yourself. But do you guys, okay, I've been asking a lot of people this. What about drugs? Experimenting with either LSD or psilocybin in the writing process with the band have you ever tried that connecting with the band playing a show or it's interesting um me me so

i should preface this by saying that there was a time period in college where there was an incredible amount of mushrooms being consumed yeah like you know they were right there and they felt so good and you think it helps with mental health psilocybin within reason yeah i mean i think i think there was a time with psychedelics that i opened up so many boxes that it was hard for me to digest all of the boxes that had been opened really and it kind of like what okay what kind of boxes were you were being open you know things like starting to question like i remember one of my big holdups was the military industrial complex oh you're going fucking deep in the rabbit hole dude the relationship between you know the military spending economic well-being of america

you know that started to just freak me out and i I was getting so frustrated. And then I got really deep in the environmental rabbit hole of being really concerned about future generations. Are you talking to yourself about all this stuff? Or you have spiritual advisors with you to rebuttal your ideas? All of those things, for sure. All those things. But in that time period, all those boxes were open and i was going so deep into them i was reading about all that stuff and while on lsd while eating more

are you serious how many days was this or did you go in a rabbit i mean this stuff was just off and on and on and yeah yeah oh so when you get on it you'd be like you're going to research mode wow years of that stuff i was always scared of LSD. I've only taken it four times. Yeah, that's probably about the same. I'm talking more about mushrooms. Oh, mushrooms, yeah. Yeah, yeah. LSD is a little scary.

That's the point. Yeah. Really? Is it? What is it about LSD that you have to? I think you go through a mystical journey. I think an acid trip is a mystical journey. Oh, really?

And I think it's going to open up some things that are difficult to swallow. It certainly has for me every single time. What's the craziest thing that's ever happened on an acid trip? Getting really lost in the woods. Oh, that's scary as fuck what happened well for me the woods like i grew up out in the country so to me it felt kind of comfy but i went to this spot this quarry by where i grew up me and this other guy and you know we just started looking at shit basically like you know and talking about stuff and then suddenly you realize you know probably when you're peaking i have no idea where even i am right now and

jesus fucking and then of course like in the moment and i do believe this from time to time that animals have significance and stuff but then you start seeing animals and you're like what is the significance of that animal you know and things like that or like the way the wind blows these like little signals and stuff so i remember that being kind of intense but you know what where i was going with this is you got to this point where i realized that like i i've had so many thoughts that i haven't worked through sober yeah that maybe these things helped to reveal psychedelics because i i i'm not necessarily a fan of like penning psychedelics as being like an answer yeah to me to me it can be like a helper but like i see it i see psychedelics as being something that can can help open up things and reveal things that you need to work

through within your own brain whether that's you it's within the context of your own comfortability which for me would be sober yeah totally the same here i i want to i want to remember it and i want to actually fight it because i'm not going to be fucked up this is just the young years yeah we're not going to be no i mean you never know the young years. Yeah. We're not going to be, I mean, you never know. Maybe we'll just keep going. Who knows? We'll talk about this in 30 years.

But, you know, in regards to experimenting with songwriting, there was some stuff that got written, of course, through all that, all the tripping era. And we played on stage like a fair amount. Fuck yeah. Doing that.

What, LSD or mushrooms? Mushsd or mushrooms nice yeah i love it there's one night though that it ended kind of oh yeah i bet pushed it too far and then we're all just like nobody can speak and i remember i couldn't i couldn't figure out what song we were playing most yeah you know that's what happens like that's why the microdose is good yeah it's like the same with alcohol if you drink too much it's just a big shit show fucking shit show yeah all right i know you guys i know he's got to sound check you're about to go on like 10 minutes but um i love you i love you too i got one more question for you okay okay if you could throw a festival with any band dead or alive give me two headliners, two sub-headliners, and then give me two day bands.

Oh, my God. Oh, it's so fun. Six bands. All right. So, starting with the headliners. All right. Give me the headliners. Or the low.

Okay. No, I want low. Andy Frasco and the UN. Really? Right there with Leftover Salmon. Fuck yeah. Dude, thanks, dude. That's the modern era. Yeah Frasco in the UN. Really? Right there with leftover salmon. Fuck yeah. Dude, thanks, dude. That's the modern era.

Yeah, modern era. All right, awesome. I want to see eventually a seamless transition from show to show. Yeah. Like where everybody is on together at one point, and then people shift and it goes into it. I want to see that. And I want it to get nasty.

And then I'm going to go with Jim Kuesky and Jug Band. Okay. I don't know who that is. Good. Ruckus Jug Band that influenced a lot of like Nitty Gritty Dirt Band and Salmon and shit like that. Jim Kuesky and Jug Band and Miles davis in the bitches brew era yeah and then uh headliners would have to be

What do you think? The Grateful Dead with special guest Gigi Allen Wow What year dead? What year dead? The Gigi Allen thing is kind of a joke That would be fucked up Dude, why not? Fuck with him, it's your festival, man

Oh, what year dead? What year dead? I like when Brent 89 or so Cause Brent sings like fucking Epicly Oh it would actually be Cause Gigi Allen's a jerk I don't really like him He's just like kind of a freaky human

Towns fans out It would be grateful that Towns fans out Sounds perfect sounds like your world Right there buddy god almighty would that be a fun backstage oh my god oh my god we wouldn't remember the backstage hang dude my man i love you so much you got any you got a new record out well it's kind of new it's a couple months old we're gonna cut another one in uh january you guys are fucking just workhorses

yeah you gotta come play some piano. Fuck, I'd be honored, dude. I've been trying to start a little bluegrass thing with Vince, trying to convince him to do some Jewgrass, dude. Oh, it's funny. Let me in. Dude, you're in, 100%. Let me in. Give me one last thing for inspiring musicians.

What's your take on what it takes to make this thing successful? I would say be exactly who you are unapologetically work your ass off um trust in the words of those people that you find beautiful and joyous and inspiring and carry carry on. And stay off your phones and stay mindfulness. Stay mindfulness. Mostly stay mindfulness or you ain't gonna make it.

Love you, buddy. Love you, too. See you tonight? Yes. You jam with us? Let's do it. The whole band? Jubilee!

Let's fucking go. All right, love you, bud. Love you, too. Hey, it's Schwartz. Happy release day. I'm glad UpDown's coming out. I'm glad we're teasing the album. I want to remind you,

you've got to stop emailing me and calling me frantically saying, we've got to get these numbers up. We've got to get these numbers up. You are Andy Frasco. This is our first release together. You're just growing. You have a good audience.

Your numbers are going to be fine. You're just growing. You have a good audience. Your numbers are going to be fine. You're not Justin Bieber. It's not like a song goes up and then a million people have already listened to it before you can see it. Just give it a minute. Slow down. Please, have some faith. It's all going to work out.

Thanks. Brasco, I just heard this new single. It kind of sucks. Just stick with the old shit. And there you have it yet again. Yet again. Yet again. Hashtag.

We could do Yeti Gin. Yet again. When you act like basic and shit? No. Touche. Hashtag. We could do Yeti Gin. Yeti Gin. When you act like basic and shit. No. Touche. Every time. Now every time you do a post. Every time I do something basic.

Every time you do a basic post. If I say something basic. Say something basic. I'm just, I'm not, you won't even see. I'm just going to edit one thing and I'm just going to hashtag basic. And if you find it, you know, I'm not going to, I'll let you, I'll keep it up there. This is your world too. You know, I'm not trying to. He. And if you find it, I'm not going to, I'll let you, I'll keep it up there.

This is your world too. I'm not trying to, this is a communism. This is not just my world. You can tell when I post shit about dirty, dirty shit and then when Yeti does his like, his little cute things.

These flowers are blooming. So cute outside. Mine are like, doggy style or fuck it's just like dirty ass get after well it's the world like i don't listen to i don't i just don't i don't live in the world you live in yeah you do you're just lying to yourself this is a good oh my god your hair pulled back like please just no see this one Talk about the basic shit Jesus It was hilarious Oh my god Yeti Yeti just wants to be

A fanboy to me guys It's so cute I just wanna like I'm a fanboy of everybody Maybe I just need to change that No you weren't a fanboy to Vern You didn't talk to him at all No we did talk

Yeah And when you were doing drugs then Oh after we got You took fucking five hours To warm up to him He was our tour manager I was horrible. We figured it out.

Brennan and I talked. We figured it out. Okay, I'm going to ask him. Yeah. If you figured it out. He texts the whole band like, what the fuck is the deal with this Yeti guy? Yeah, yeah.

No, he told me. Okay. He didn't like you. My band's finally rubbing off on you. I hope so. It took a minute. We don't know who you are yet. Nobody does.

Been in the closet. You might be like a fucking FBI spy or trying to like, who are writing a report on this band. Yep, that's it. Now I have to kill you. Follow us. Subscribe to our podcast, guys.

We got an Instagram, Frasco and Yeti. And we on the interwebs, frascoandyeti.com. Forever, because that's my life as well. My second job is podcast yeti, not my first job. I know. I'm going to remind you every episode now.

Yeah. He always keeps telling, I'm a podcast host. And then everyone gives us this weird-ass look like, everyone does fucking podcasts. But I'm going to keep ripping on you until you live. One day I'll shine. I'll show you. You get a tear in your eye just in the background.

He did a non-basic post. And then I'll fuck it up by doing an Instagram TV show thing on it. Fro Fest, this is Yeti. Fro Fest, this is Yeti. We got, follow me, AndyFrasco.com. AndyFrasco.com That's where we were Instagrams I am Yeti

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In life And keep you vulnerable It's the world saving podcast With Frasco and Yeti Love you Love you too. Well, thank you for listening to episode 25 of Andy Frasco's

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