Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 258: Jaime Wyatt

Episode Date: February 20, 2024

Andy receives a not indecent proposal as he breaches celebrity 'hall pass' status. Congrats Andy! Joining us to open the show, we got a real one in Sam Sutton. And what's this? Shawn Eckels joins in to give some updates on the World Saving Podcast Tour! And on the Interview Hour, we got Nashville based outlaw country songwriter, Jaime Wyatt! Andy and her talk about her new record, doing time, arena tours, and overcoming addiction. Don't let the immensity of those topics scare ya off, cuz we make sure to keep it cheap too. Shout out to the Don and see ya on down the road... And guess what... Watch the full episodes Exclusively on Volume.com now in color!  Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Andy's Hall Pass Brian Schwartz

Hey Nick and Andy, I was just calling to let you guys know that I've missed listening to you guys shoot the shit so much. I just listened to the most recent podcast and literally laughed my ass off throughout the whole thing. One thing I want to bring up to or bring to your attention, Andy, is that you may or may not be aware that you have reached the huge celebrity milestone of being a hall pass. You know, like when you get into a relationship with somebody and the boyfriend says if he got the chance, he'd sleep with Margot Robbie and the girl would sleep with George Clooney or Brad Pitt or whatever. Well, Andy, you are my Brad Pitt. You have been my hall pass in my past two relationships if I ever were to run into you. And I think that is something to press the little clap button on your soundboard to.

Also, now that I'm solidly single, I feel like maybe it's not that far-fetched that we can meet sometime. But now that you have my number, the ball is in your court, baby. I'll send a headshot, too, just for good measure. Anyways, I hope you both have a fabulous weekend. Love you both. Bye. Here we go. Bye micromanaging your band with one of the best merch persons in the country. Sam Sutton from Unfrey's McGee's in the building.

Yo, what's up, everybody? How are you? Sam! How are you? What's up? We're in your town. You're in Peoria. You're in my town. I fucking love you. I love you, too, and I have to go to work. I know. Where are you flying to?

We're flying to D.C. today. You guys are playing 930 Club? 930. How are the boys? What's the morale like? Morale's high. Morale's high on the team. Nobody wants to fight each other in Humphrey's crew? Not yet. That's good. I'll clap to that.

Let's go. Let's go. Let's fucking go. Bob on any given day. Louie or I will bob up on any given day. Yeah, I know. We're ready to go. Well, while you're here, I guess we have a special announcement.

We do. Should we announce it on the podcast? Yes Sam is our promoter for this one show It's a very special show Hold on What do you got? I got Andy Frasco

And Brendan Bayless Live at Kenny's Westside Pub. In Peoria, baby. In Peoria, Illinois, May 11th. We're doing a solo gig. First ever solo gig. Let's go. Let's fucking go. Watch out, Dashboard Confessional. Frasco's coming.

Coming with a solo show. What do you want me to do with this thing? Just sing songs with Brendan? We just go song and song? We just, like, talk shit to each other? I figured you guys play together as a team. I love it. Maybe play some UN tunes? Yeah, we'll play some, and I'll play some, I'm gonna, I'm such a...

No, I'll freeze tunes. No, I'll freeze tunes. Play some UN tunes? Play some Billy Joel tunes? Brendan's gonna really realize What type of great keyboard player He has of Joel Cummings When he has to have me back him up On his tunes on the piano

I'm gonna plead the fifth This is exciting, I've always wanted to do a solo gig That's what's up, dude, you're gonna crush it What date is it? It's May 11th Right before summer camp So everyone who's mad that I couldn't make summer camp this year, me and Bayless

live in Peoria, Illinois, we're going to get this shit popping. You guys are going to crush it. Watch out, Walt! Brasco Solo in Peoria with Brendan Bayless. We love it. I know you got to get out of here. I got to fly.

Alright, buddy. go get on your flight We love you It was just so nice to see you I didn't think you'd make it before your flight And you're here in Peoria with us I told you It's really easy when I live two minutes from this venue I fucking love it

Sam, thanks for being on the show Let's fucking go There he is We got the whole band here. Hey, Floyd's even here. Floyd, come over here. Floyd, come over here. His back is better. Yeah, his back. See, he's always... I don't know what the deal is, but

his back is better. We got Floyd Kellogg finally in the band again. Go over here, Floyd. Go in the middle. Go ahead. How the fuck we doing? What a pleasure. What's up, Floyd? Where you been? Where have I been? Working on my back.

You been working on your back? No, no. My back's fine, though. It's old news. Where have I been? Check out some schools. Working on your back sounded like you were doing some... Working on my back sounded like you were selling that dick. Someone broke my back sounded like you were selling that dick someone broke my back man I was getting so much dick over there

that my back blew well I have a bone to pick with you I don't want to talk to the fucking podcast about it oh boy the last two times

you've been to Denver the first time we took up my parents to a really really fancy dinner really fancy dinner this man was blacked out. Passing out at this...

We went to this 18-course dinner. It was an amazing dinner. And I was like, man, I want to take the boys out. And you... We had to kick you out of the own dinner to... I was tired.

Bullshit! You were drinking IPAs all fucking day. No, because... I was tired. Bullshit! You were drinking IPAs all fucking day. No, I'm calling bullshit. You were not tired. It was late at night. That's bullshit. It wasn't late at night. It was 7 p.m. This is why I can't have you do dry journey. It's tiring out here.

Shut the fuck up. My mom was like, is he on heroin Does he do that stuff Now she thinks This band is addicted to opiates Because Floyd was sleeping Over a tuna tartare

And I'm feeding him trying to get him to eat And he can't even use the chopsticks No motor skills I saw him once hold an oyster upside down And like Right when everyone he thought was going to Not see him once hold an oyster upside down and right when everyone he thought was going to not see him, he throws the oyster over his...

What? You threw the oyster over your head. Yes. And then the waitress is like, what the fuck is happening? Is she cleaning the oyster? I'm like, yo, this is a fucking $2,000 dinner. Okay?

Jesus fucking Christ. And then... Sorry, I ruined your $2,000 dinner, Andy. I was just trying to impress my parents. Don't think it was about you, okay? You impressed them, all right. I did. They knew. Now I get texts every time.

Yeah, they're like, is he got clean? This is why I can't have you do Dry January. Okay? Right before a tour. Yeah, they're like, is he on clean? Yeah. This is why I can't have you do dry January. Okay? Right before a tour. Yeah, every time I do dry January. The minute you start drinking, you come back on tour. I put myself in the hospital after a dry January. Are you serious?

Yeah, I went on a cleanse. And then I was like, all right, it's over with. And then I went back to like, I went to like to a bar and ate nachos and drank Guinness. For two nights or two days, I had this insane pain in my abdomen. Dude, same. I was up. Then I started feeling like I had to pass out. I drove myself to the hospital.

I almost passed out in the emergency room. Then they got me hooked up to IVs. I was there all night. Then the doctor at the... That's what happened to mys. I was there all night. And then the doctor in the morning, he just tapped me on the shoulder and said, no more cleanses. And then here you are cleansing right before

our big Ogden show. But that's not even half the part. Friends don't let friends cleanse. Yeah, that's the 2024 motto. Friends don't let friends cleanse. But then the worst part is we brought you back to the hotel. You decided it was fine to just start leaving the hotel and walk through Colfax. We knew your phone was still at the restaurant. I get an email. Let me read this

email to the, to our podcast fans. You know, um, I get this email from a random... This was at 3 in the morning. It says, yo, I'm lost without a phone. I'm at 16th Street in Colfax. Can you text Bo and let him know? No rush. I'm just chilling in a hotel lobby that isn't

your hotel. Smiley face. And then, literally, three hours later. Oh, that was at 7 a.m. 6 41 a.m. And then three hours later at 10 a.m. Nevermind. All good.

You got back to me later. Your phone is at the house. Yeah. Cause someone looked up, you know, find my phone and she's like, yeah, it's at this near the large, near this place, you know, near wherever. And then she goes down and does the street Google thing. And, you know, you could spin the camera around.

I'm like, oh, yeah, I know that house. It's my house. It's Andy's house. And then we thought it'd be a nice idea. Another nice to go take the boys out, go have a little Japanese dinner. Pass out? You pass out again, Floyd.

That was, I was tired. That was a long day. You can't bullshit this. No, you can't bullshit this fucking fan base. They know when you're 27 IPA's deep, okay? So this is what I'm going to do. You need to chill it out a little bit.

Okay? You're back on the road. I can't have you blacking out. Well, fuck it. It's the Midwest. This is what they do. We have any IPAs in our fridge now? Probably.

But God damn it. So Floyd, are you going to be on Better Behavior this week? That's all the fans want to know. Yeah. I mean, I feel great. We did watch Kitchen Nightmares last night. We didn't even really drink that much. No, we didn't. We watched Kitchen Nightmares. It was so cute. We did watch Kitchen Nightmares last night. We didn't even really drink that much. No, we didn't.

We watched Kitchen Nightmares. It was so cute. We're all a band. I don't know why. I don't watch much TV. Somehow, I managed to watch that. I couldn't believe it, too. Consecutive episodes of that show.

You were glued to Gordon Ramsay just yelling at these fucking poor people's dreams. You're like, ooh, I love this. Yeah, I don't know. One day, I looked up a recipe of his. then I like all of a sudden stumbled on the show and I was like, this is kind of fun. I don't know. You know,

you watch food shit too. I love it. Where like people, I watch it all the time on Instagram. Yeah. Like, yeah. Either like,

you know, the people commenting on someone making some shit and you're like, what the fuck is going on? You know, like there's a lot of those now. Well, we're happy to have you back. Thanks.

I'm sorry. I'm bummed. You missed my birthday, but I understand you had to have your own Superbowl party. It's fine. All your, your kids, I was working on,

I was working on that track. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.. Yeah., yeah., yeah., yeah., yeah., yeah., yeah. Oh yeah. Don't, don't, don't gaslight me. Do not gaslight me. Um, Floyd. All right. Go back to your studio. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much. Wow. Unbelievable. Andy Avila. Get in here. I want you to hear the other side of the story. Andy Avila, our drummer, the UN, the UN's backbone. He was not tired. I watched him at the airport drink and not eat and then get to your house and on the

way from the airport to your house, we stopped. He had to go in there. Let's stop and get some beers. A couple beers. He gets like 10% alcohol IPA with like no name on him because he's so cool. He's like, these are worth the money. I'm like, why is it worth the money? And I looked at the

thing, 10% fucking alcohol. 8.9 or 9.8. They don't even sell six packs of those. You have to buy a four pack because they're dangerous. God damn it. Yeah, so he sits there and drinks and then we're like waiting to get the dinner together. The second Japanese dinner he falls asleep at. The second

fucking one. But also, it might have been our fault for thinking he can use chopsticks after drinking IPAs for two times in a row. So maybe. Yeah, it's okay. Or maybe we wanted to see him fail. It was the altitude. It was the altitude.

What the fuck ever, dude. How's it going? I had a wisdom tooth taken out. I know. It feels like you're finally getting back to normal I'm back That first show back It sucked

In Arizona You looked fucking miserable Couldn't sing I had stitches in my gums Yeah My teeth are good now Well it's good And it helped

And it dried you out a little bit You didn't drink or anything I didn't drink I was eating Barely eating So that's cool Yeah I love when You know

You lose weight From not drinking You feel clean Eating charcuterie Eating charcuterie This is amazing spread here It's a great spread Shout out to Peoria

Yeah Well let's rock We have one more week of shows And then Five in a row Winter Wondergrass You guys Next weekend

We are playing Oh we don't have a show next weekend. The following weekend, the 29th, we're playing in Steamboat. Winter Wondergrass. You know, anything your little bluegrass hearts can handle at that festival plus us. Us. I want to party with Sierra Farrell, though. She's good.

She's very good. Yeah, she's really good. She sat in with us once. Yeah. Summer camp. Yeah. That was good. Yeah.

We'll just bring it on. Oh, never mind. What? I thought you were talking about the... Oh, I thought you were talking about the... Oh, no. That's Sierra Hall. Oh, okay. She's probably there, too.

They're both good. They're both good. Let's go. Shout out to the Sierras and Bluegrass. Bluegrass people. We love you. We love you. All right, Beats.

Later. Go get... I got to go chillats I gotta go chill I gotta get our boy here Mr. Sean Eccles Sean Eccles is here Very special announcement The band leader for

The World Saving Podcast Tour By the way, here he is Here he is By the way, grab your tickets We just found out there's a low ticket warning in Raleigh. Without even announcing guests. Raleigh's low ticket warning. We can goddamn guarantee as soon as we announce the guest, that fucker's sold out.

Oh, it's going down. That's going to be a fun one. Nice. We're almost ready to announce the actual guest, but we are ready to announce... The band members! The world-saving band! World-saving, right? We're very excited.

Sean, you curated these band members yourself. How do you feel about what's going on? I feel great. I tried to get as many of our friends, you know, they're all touring musicians. So it's hard to get everybody who's in town.

If I couldn't get, you know, our cream of our crop, our best friend to play in the band, I got their best friend. Let's fucking go. We love this. Okay, so let's announce each one. So March 9th, Philadelphia at the at the Fillmore, the foundry on the Fillmore

Who do you have for 3-9 In Philadelphia In the world-saving late-night band In the world-saving late-night band Mike Greenfield from Lotus Whoa, our drummer We love it And his friend John Coleman

From the band Muscle Tough Damn, that's a big band. They got a little relationship there. Got a little trio going on. We're going to rock it, and then of course we're going to make you play piano, and we're going to force Nick Gerlach to play saxophone. Yeah, he said he's not going to bring his sax, and it's sold out. He's bringing it just in case they don't sell out.

But 3-9, low ticket warning. What do you have for New York City? City Winery. New York City. City Winery. This is possibly, I'm very excited I think this is another great lineup You put together Our good friend Caleb Hawley Who's been on the podcast and everything

His bass player Nicholas Moyle Oh it's going to be great He loves our band He'll be ready for anything you put to him But the big win here None other than Jon Bonjorno, our booking agent, is playing drums.

Jon Bonjorno, our booking agent, is playing drums. Coming out of retirement. He's coming out of retirement for the World's Day Podcast Tour. He's dusting his sticks off. Dude, if people don't know, our agent used to be a fucking killer, killer drummer. He was in punk bands and stuff. Now he runs Arrival Artists,

our booking agency, and he wants to be the drummer for the City Winery. I'm excited to share the time with him. Who do you have for Raleigh on 313, the low ticket warning so far, Raleigh, North Carolina, at the Poor House? Who do you have?

Well, I added up the Big Something Boys who are going to be on tour. And they gave us their A-list Brothers in Music. We got Leo, Chris Shore from Persistent Itch. I thought his band name was worth the admission right there. Yeah, I love that. Go see a doctor, get rid of it.

And then Kassem Williams from Red Panda. Ooh, Nick's side project. That's good. I love it. And then, obviously, Williamson Williams from Red Panda. Ooh, Nick's side project. That's good. It's going to be fun. I love it. And then, obviously, the big surprise in Denver.

Denver, at Ophelia's. We got the boys. Andy Frasco in the U.N. is the house band. That's right. The boys are coming in. The boys are coming in hot and heavy. You set up a great lineup of bands Are you ready to

It'll be fun this will be the first time Not going on tour without our band Yeah it's gonna be weird It's gonna be weird We got Todd Glass opening every night That's gonna be crazy good Todd Glass is going on tour with us And we're flying everywhere

It's just gonna be a different experience So grab your tickets for the podcast tour. Touring with Todd. That's going to be a whole segment of the podcast. We're going to find out how anal Todd Glass is. When we did Ophelia's last time,

you got in the green room. He's like, oh, we've got to turn these lights way down. I couldn't see anything. We're trying to change strings. We're excited We're excited You feeling good Sean? Feeling healthy? You got some sleep last night?

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50 milligrams a piece. Yep. So grab yourself some dialed-in gummies. You're going to love it. Sean, we love you. Love you. Get out of there. Let's finish this tour properly.

And then you probably have like 20,000 solo gigs. Next week. Yes, I do. We'll see you soon. Love you. See you soon. Sean Eckers. See you soon. John X. Unbelievable.

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next month or in a couple weeks, but yeah, get ready for that. Oh, we have Jim Norton next week. Oh my God, comedian Jim Norton is unbelievable. He's the rawest dude I've ever, he's insane. And then we have Nick Hexum from 311 on March 5th. Yeah, I interviewed him.

Oh, you love 311. Oh, I forgot. Sean loves 311. I feel a sandwich full... Fuck yeah, I have 311. Yes. Yeah, he was great, dude. He's still hot looking, dude.

It's crazy how hot that dude looks. All right, guys. Are you ready? Here we go. Jamie Wyatt, the best. She's an how hot that dude looks. Alright, guys. Are you ready? Here we go. Jamie White. The best. She's an amazing songwriter from Nashville. You're going to love this episode. She is unbelievable. Her story. She's been in prison.

She talks about hooking up in prison, which I love to hear about. I love prison. I want to hear all about it. She's putting out a new record. She's going on tour right now. I really love her records She's from Nashville Yo Chris play some Jamie while I

Pip her out of here You're gonna love this interview She's completely honest about addiction And how she's Trying to make the best Out of life through Addiction and how she had Crazy life trying to make the best out of life through addiction and how she had crazy life.

She was like, she tried to be a pop star when she was younger. Her family's into music and she got fucked by a record deal. Now she's getting back out there. Now she's managed by our boy, Don Juan Julio Strasburg. We love Don.

Shout out to Don. By the way, we're playing Red Rocks with Green Sky Bluegrass in September, so grab your tickets to that. But you're going to love this interview. I'm ready. Let's do this, podcast fans. We will enjoy Jamie,

and we'll catch you next week. Jesus, Joseph, Marion Jones Never forget where I come from I took the same turn so many times She told me I could be more than a good time A good time, time, time She's freed me from a lifetime of pain And I've been down and out

Wow, there she is. You're like a moral... You're the most outlaw, rebel interview I've had in a long time. Well, I mean, by rebel, you mean I just got caught. I'll clap to that. Well, I am a little rebellious, yes, but you know. Hey, Jamie. We're super good, I swear. How you doing, Jamie, but you know. Hey, Jamie. We'll sleep for good, I swear.

How you doing, Jamie? I'm so great. I'm stoked. Like a lot is happening. I know. You excited for this year or what? A lot of things are happening. I saw you were announced on the Rate Lift Mount Joy show too.

How was that? Yeah, that was epic. That was such a great show my first arena performance and that was just crazy crazy really beautiful what was it what's the difference between arenas and and club shows i mean they're just they're so much bigger there's so many more people that delay yeah you know right that's that's the? That would fuck me up, dude. That would fuck me up. I'll tell you,

I was like, singing wasn't a problem. It was my keys were like, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. I thought they were like just popping off delay everywhere.

And I was like, okay, good thing I know this song. Yeah. And that's why it's like, when you get to that level, you start to have to like do in-ear monitors

and shit or it just starts. I had one and I like ripped it out because I'm actually getting new ones for the first time. Well, for the first time, I'm getting in-ears. But I tried them the other night and I had been rehearsing, but I pulled it out. I was like, I don't know. I can't do them. They fuck me up.

Well, yeah, that's the thing if you're not used to them. And like it's got to be a really good fit i think in your ear and mine was just not custom fitted because they weren't ready in time and um and so they were a little clunky in there but it's cool it's actually really cool i really like it and that it's kind of like being in the studio and like having cans and i i love that because then you can really get more of an experience. You got a good mix you want to dance. I love it.

Let's get down to the nitty gritty. You ready? I'm prepared. I got all my notes. My first thing I want to talk about is in an interview you said you're writing songs to deal with grief and it seems like at 14 years old dealing with grief that much what was going on why why was death so relevant in your life at such a young age i well i think it was

like my my grandmother passed pretty young she died very young of ovarian cancer and that was why my parents moved back from l um back from la and um it was just like a hard time my parents my parents didn't have a lot of money they were artists uh and and you know yeah my my nana passing was like that was gnarly and then and we had like a farm and there would be like animals i got attached to they would pass away you know just just life learning about life but i also think that i probably tuned into those things emotionally more than maybe maybe other folks or other kids. Right. You're like, yeah, I guess. Yeah.

And then being a teenager on top of it. Um, and, um, my dad was like a wild musician and my folks split when I was like eight. Um, and my dad was just a wild man. Like he just would not meant to, he's feral. I would like to use the term feral and i and i also i have that feral gene and i was given that i was gifted that i think you know this point in my life i think it's a gift but when i was younger it was uncontainable right yeah no yeah can you relate i could totally relate i mean i've been on the road since i was uh 17 years old or 18 years old. I mean, I was, yeah, I got the rabies too. Yeah, right.

And you know, I don't know about you, but like songs, writing songs is a way to deal with grief, but also just kind of like learning about life and a reflection on how to like make sense of self. And I think that's kind of the human condition. Everybody's trying, they have certain ways to get connected to that. Right.

And some people it's, it's just, it's, I don't know, maybe it's numbers or something, but did your dad have substance abuse in, in early on in his life too? Yes.

Yes. And, and he, he would tell you that too, you know, uh, if you were standing here, but it was, Oh yeah. You know, when it was the 70s and 80s and he was a wild man and he came from being an entertainer, really charming and, and was,

he loved the wine. He loved the cocaine. Uh, you know, he would tell you that himself. Yeah. So do you think that was like the acceptance of being this free situation or did you have no choice? Did you feel like you had to raise yourself because your dad was so out there or your mom was so out there? Like, do you feel like you had to raise yourself because your dad was so out there or your mom was

so out there like do you feel like you're just alone absolutely absolutely and even if maybe i think maybe probably knowing i was queer from a young age too okay that makes was like knowing that i was different i grew up in a very like christian town uh no one was gay no one was gay it wasn't a thing and and and i just so then i went to seattle and i saw gay people and i'm like huh but then like back in the back in the 90s and 2000s when i was coming up it was like everybody like skaters everybody dissed on gays. So you just weren't. Tacoma was like that? They were not progressive? It was super right?

Well, see, I grew up in Gig Harbor, Washington. It's a tiny little fishing town. Where's that? Oh, sorry. The South Puget Sound in Washington State, Pacific Northwest, right? Surrounded by water.

I grew up on a little island called Fox Island and cold, rainy. But I don't know what it was. It was just a small town, I think, and not very diverse. And honestly, that must play into because they're intellectual up there. It's not that.

It's really just, I think socially, no matter what, no matter how smart we are, I think as a society, I think socially it takes a second for the rest of us like our emotions to catch up. And how we talk to people. We never equated how we talk to people as much as we do now.

You know what I mean? And how we use language. So I think I just took, I was a sensitive kid. And yeah, probably because my dad was gone. And then my mom was just trying to like provide for three kids and do it. And I think in all fairness, probably my dad was trying to be a parent somehow too. But he's just wild, man.

Did you ever resent him for not being there? Oh, definitely. I mean, you know, today I have had therapy. And I'm not saying that that like really, because you never know what is going to actually like help your body feel the shift and move out of resentments and things like that. But I think that time does help. But yeah, I've done a lot of talk therapy and I've done a lot of EMDR and some somatic. I'm just getting into that. What's that? Somatic being like, so I've done probably six or seven sessions of this. So it's like, when you're talking about

things that ail you or the wound, right? You're like, let's just say I come into the session, I'm just like fraught, right? Fraught with, I'm like, I want to tell you everything, this, this, this, and I want to tell the story really quick. And she would like stop me after a couple sentences and be like, okay, that right there. Can we sit with that for a moment and try and locate that in your body right like where is the sensation and what is the sensation can you describe it yeah can you slow down and be with it maybe a hand to touch it like things like that there's there's and then there's grounding techniques for after working through the traumatic events but usually working through the traumatic events is just trying

to express maybe what was unexpressed in that moment what you feel you didn't get to say or first figuring out what the effing message is right i guess you know because it must have been tough because you found out you're gay early in your life. You didn't really have a parent parents there to like, give you a building, a building ground to, you know, have your, have your feelings and express them.

So you suppressed all your feelings for so long. When was the first time you like actually accepted being gay? And like, so I like this girl or. Oh, when I was 19. 19. So it took six years.

That's what I'm saying. You're suppressing feelings. This is so long. For sure. Like how did you deal with childhood without talking? Songwriting. Yeah. That was my only place I could be honest.

And even then it was, I had created kind of this secret language for myself in poetry so I could disguise a lot of what I was feeling. And put it in songs so it's general enough and nobody's not going to be like, oh, you're queer.

You had to make it general. You couldn't even be your complete full expression because you were afraid how other people were going to think about you. And it was the 90s where people were kind of not cool with gay people. Yeah, I think that is why, honestly, I'll be honest with you, Andy,

I might have had a first inkling that I was gay but couldn't put a name on it or that it was nothing more than just admiring someone, right? And really, it wasn't until honestly until I was 19 that I actually nothing more than like just admiring someone. Right. And, uh, and really like, it wasn't till honestly till I was like 19 that I actually put a name to that.

So I really didn't know I was gay for a long time. Then I was like, Oh, I'm bi, I'm bi. And then, um, and then at some point,

Oh, well, at some point I was married to a man who is my dear friend today because he is a full rounded, whole human and understands things. And anyway, so I sort of woke up in my late twenties and was like,

no, I am not bi. I think I know why I was like six years sober. I was like doing all the things and I was like so empty. And I, but I knew that I loved my husband in a different way like it was like we were like best friends and he but he and I were had been discussing it because they're like oh am I just are you know so anyways um but yeah so it's been a journey

and and it it is odd definitely that back the day, we couldn't really express everything. It's definitely odd. Yeah. And probably just my particular story. If there was other things going on in the house that were more pertinent to getting everyone's basic needs met, they were all preoccupied trying to get our basic needs met. And my mom really was that. And she was emotionally there for a way she just didn't

understand or know gay people either yeah and when did your parents get divorced you said it was young age how old were you when like like eight i think oh fuck i think it was like i think it was like one of those long drawn out divorces though that's like many years and then there's like uh chaotic dramatic yelling um often right and that's that was kind of that's how i grew up in that like a yelling house maybe that's also the reason why you feared opening up your feelings because you saw your parents fucking yelling at each other when they're trying to be honest with each other oh for sure right i mean and again framed all around now I am an adult and I'm like, you know, life and society and it's hard. I know.

There's no doubt. And I can't even imagine having three kids. Oh, yeah. Especially with, you know, like I heard this story that, you know, like Bob Weir was always around. Like your dad was, what, he was in session work with Bob he was a musician right? they wrote songs together they were friends and friendly for a period of time

and stayed in touch through the 90s and 2000s I think the last time I remember going to concerts but I was so young my older sisters remember Bobby I think they called him Uncle Bobby but i was so young my my older sisters remember bobby i think they called him uncle bobby even then and but he was at the house and hanging with my dad he my dad had

lots of um really great musician friends and um like steve cropper was another one of his friends and my yeah and uh and little feet actually little, Kenny Gradney, and Richie Haywood, they were playing for my dad on a recording session, and that's how he was introduced to Bob. I believe Kenny introduced my dad to Bob. What part of L.A. did you live in when you were a kid? Oh, yeah. I was born in Santa Monica.

We moved when I was four, so I don't recall all that much. But my folks moved around a ton uh they were in santa monica uh van nuys you know malibu at one point at one point they got horses and they were in agura because that's where i got my my horse Yeah, you're really into that, right? I like horses. I'm not like an equestrian or really. Like I could, I like, I rode my horse when I was little. Right. But, and I've gone trail riding.

You ever get fucked up on those things? Like several times for funsies? No, because I'm cautious. I was like, I got into skateboarding though in all trueness. So I kind of ventured away from that. And I was DMXing. So I got away from horses. My sisters are truly horse handlers and really amazing and talented. like you know these these country fairs where she would barrel race um and that's that was up in washington though so uh you were asking about la i guess we we moved to washington when i was four and my dad was trying to get off drugs right and get clean and get the family back together my mom's mom was dying um but so when i moved to was, I just kind of had the memory of music. My dad, in the early years, always had studios at the house when we were kids.

And so I grew up tinkering with his shit when he wasn't looking. That's awesome. Yeah. And then he would have band practice and I'd come in and play percussion. And that's when you first started falling in love with music? Yeah, but I did also grow up going to see concerts.

And that was really cool that my folks took me from when I was a baby. Who struck a chord with you? Oh, Bonnie Raitt. Oh, hell yeah, dude. She's a baddie, dude. She's bad. Yeah, right. Oh, hell yeah, dude. She's a baddie, dude. She's bad. Yeah, right. She was like this angelic figure, like playing bottleneck slide and singing with such ease and comfort. And just, she was, I just remember the feeling, like everybody was just stunned. And so I met her after the show. My parents were backstage.

I don't know who they knew at that point, but yeah, I met her and I was like, I like your purple boots, and she liked my cowboy boots, so I was like, you know, that planted the seed. I was like, you know, I think I want to do exactly what this woman is doing.

So when did you start becoming a rebel? Because you talk about being cautious and stuff. Oh, yeah. And then your story of going to prison for eight months or going back and forth to rehab, what stopped the cautiousness and you started getting out of control of life? Yeah, that's a really good question and um yeah i'm usually quite rehearsed but you know drugs and taking away all my inhibitions uh i think when i first started experimenting with drugs i i knew right away that i was like oh this is probably gonna be a problem for me because it's so effective right why do i feel I feel like, oh, you know, partying at 9 p.m. on a Friday night, I'm like, I could go, I could actually go do the work I'm supposed to do right now.

I feel like my brain's actually functioning. You know, so I knew it was going to be a problem. And it became a problem, I think, as a result of the uncertainty of my career. I got a record deal when I was in high school. I was 17. I moved to L.A. when I was 18 or 19. And I'd already kind of had to have older siblings. And a middle sibling also has a substance abuse issue.

And we partied together as teenagers. and abuse issue and we partied together teenagers we were kind of rebellious and i guess even in high school because um my mom was at work and my dad was whatever we were just like we were a little bit pissed off probably too you know like you're alone yeah as a kid yeah you know i was like looking for solutions yeah just looking for solutions and uh And so I did a fair share of experimenting in high school. But oddly enough, Andy, the band that I started a band when I started playing and playing out in venues when I was 14.

And that kept me grounded. I think I would have spun out much sooner. You think so? Yes. Yes. I think that music has actually been the most grounding force in my life. And it's guided me to make good decisions for myself. I think most people would say, oh, that's an occupational hazard you have there

to go out on stages and travel so often that you must have to drink and do drugs. But really, I think for for me it's the other way around it's such a spiritual outlet it's so healing in so many ways that it's like it kept me grounded so but when that sort of got pulled away what happened i had this record deal and then um streaming like uh file sharing which is even before right that's just itunes or whatever you know it was lime wire and uh all the napster so then which i thought was great i was like on the computer this is awesome uh and then you know it's all free but like the record deal just kind of like everything just kind of fizzled out because

i don't know the deal or was it like a development deal it was an album deal it was a an album deal with the movie company that had a recording um label on the other side of of it it was lakeshore records yeah and they were a division of paramount um and it was a really cool opportunity i got to have songs and movies and on a couple movie soundtracks and and uh but but you know they just didn't know what to do when all the income goes away right you're like what do you do if you can't sell the product you're making so they hadn't figured it out yet and in that time i was just like oh my gosh what am i going to do right um i have no outlet there's no future that was my first real like it just it just compounded on whatever else i'd been battling my this was my ticket you know and you've already been suppressing your whole life

exactly i'm suppressing so that's a problem right there was too much pressure around the situation it's like a coal turning into a pearl yeah well instead of turning into a pearl if it doesn't kill ya it'll make ya beautiful or well really tired for a while

there but so that's where you know those years that's when then there was another album deal i signed that like just went away um in los angeles and i was just like i had already addiction for me is progression right started on little things and then i went to pills um for most people i think pills are a gateway to harder opiates. And that was my story.

And, you know, heroin and all that. And then so my decision-making became, well, rash. Why'd you go to jail? To put it lightly. Why'd you go to jail? Sorry, my dog is here. Well, I went to jail because I robbed my heroin provider. Word?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, word for word. Word for word. What happened? If you don't mind talking about it, is it too hard to talk about? They owed me money. No, no, no. It's complicated, but I've talked about it a lot.

I feel okay talking about it. Thank you. I robbed them because they owed me money. Okay. You're just trying to get your money back. Yeah, when the dealer owes you money you know i just i was desperate and uh and ill from not having heroin and so i was just like took a dude down there and gonna just strong arm no no weapons but just intimidation right and then

it's uh it's frowned upon in santa monica where this happened and the irony he was selling you drugs yeah i know and you had to go to prison for it that didn't matter yeah but they were actually connected and here's the thing is i robbed uh i robbed a lawyer's daughter oh word okay yeah okay so you just got it was the wrong person the perfect crime was not perfect it turned yeah so i'm like really and a great way for me to put you know push pause on my life somebody did it for me yeah uh yeah handcuffed but they didn't catch me right away so i they arrested me out of the northridge Hospital because I'd overdosed. Yeah, I read that.

That's wild. So they clean you up and then they arrest you. That's more fucked up. I don't even think that's legal now. Somebody was like, I don't think that's legal. And I was like, who knows? But it is what it is. And I spent eight months just, in just in County. I took a plea,

but then I also went to a program for another nine months. There was like a halfway house book. That was hard. Um, could you hook up in prison? Oh, hell yeah. You were hooking up.

Yeah. Cause you're, you're, you like girls. So like you're surrounded by girls. It must've been kind of, I mean, you could hook up, you know, did you get caught? I did. Did you're surrounded by girls. It must have been kind of... I mean, you could hook up. Did you get caught?

I did. Did you get caught? Yeah, no, no. I didn't get caught. It's pretty sophisticated in there not to get caught. Yeah, how do you hook up in prison? How do you hook up in prison? You got to have a watch.

You got to have somebody. And then you got to bribe that person to watch, to stand watch. You know, it's like, it's like what we do when you get a bunch of kids in a schoolyard. Well, the, everyone's going to, everyone's bored. And there's lots of

substances brought in. Like what? Like meth? Yeah, meth, heroin, all of that. So you can get anything you want in prison? Yeah, but you can't i mean it's yes you can lots of but it's kind of like what's available at the moment yeah it's not like you get what i like you're in decks you have no money right so how do you yeah well you're paying you pay with your with your commissary uh-huh's your shitty snack food that you buy for triple the price. It's like stuff from the dollar store that they triple, quadruple.

It's brilliant, really. But they make so much money off inmates. So who was supporting you in prison, giving you money in your card? Probably my mom. And I had some money off inmates. So who was supporting you in prison, giving you money in your card? Probably my mom. And I had some money. Yeah. I mean, at the beginning and then not probably.

But because you can't, you need like hygienes, you know, anything like to wash your hair or whatever. So I wasn't always trying, and I was trying not to do bad. I got in there. I was like,

I'm not going to do drugs or whatever. But when you're alone with that, I was like, I was defenseless. And I was in a cell with someone that had drugs. So I, I'm not going to do drugs or whatever. But when you're alone with that, I was defenseless. And I was in a cell with someone that had drugs. So I relapsed back into my bullshit. In prison. Yeah.

Jail. Jail. Sorry. Yeah, county. Yeah, no worries. No worries. I just know some folks who are in prison, they'd be like, oh, fuck this person. She ain't in prison.

Yeah, she's lying. but but no uh this is okay this is very fascinating to me like can you talk to me about the friends you had in prison and what type of depression they were dealing with like some people were in life you know like so like how do you get out of your darkness as a person through jail when everyone is depressed and lonely and suppressing their feelings like how do you how do you grow as a person through jail you know that's an interesting thing because actually i'd say a majority of people that were in jail and being incarcerated were incredibly resilient by just morale they're trying like it out especially if you're born in the neighborhood,

like South Central or something. Most people that I met there were from South Central. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And they happened to put me in a place where

re-offenders and cons, people that go in and out of prison supposedly we call them cons and uh so i was in a place with with folks like that i knew a lot more and i'd been in the system longer and just incredibly resilient smart people that get around it they just so most of them aren't that depressed because they're just getting through and getting by and humans are incredibly resilient but i did have moments yeah, when you're in a cell with someone, especially if there's days where you're locked down and you can't get out all day. I mean, I would hear about situations that were just mostly unjust, right? Right. Just being from the wrong place and getting released back to that same place where opportunity is super, super limited.

And, you know, it's like I have a sister who's really, you know, made herself really successful. I know I have an aunt or somebody, right? I had somebody. That's why I got through this situation. right? I had somebody. That's why I got through this situation. I think most people, they just don't have support and they don't have resources. Well, I'm over here talking about somatic therapy, you know what I mean? So who was your mentor through these hard times? You know what? That's a good question. I have had a lot of great mentors through 12-step programs. But, you know, my mother's been really supportive also. And I've known people that, you know,

there were people that came in on H&I panels. Those are hospitals and institution panels that AA 12-step programs bring in. And that started to, like, actually kind of get in there sort of to me and people are telling their stories and they'd be like i i was here at the exact same things and i have a life today and i'm not miserable and i could see that they were smiling and i was like maybe i should take a look at that lifestyle. Yeah. And so that was a good influence. And then, then of course,

um, getting out and getting, uh, just trying to be like, walk the line and do 12 step and stuff. I did that for many years. Um, maybe it was a blessing in disguise that you put out your first record later in

your life. Cause like, what if you had to deal with all this stuff while you're fighting an addiction? Yes, exactly. And I honestly think it's just gone exactly the way it should. And I just feel much more equipped and at least equipped with even the vocabulary to deal with life,

you know, a little bit. How many times were you in rehab? Oh God, who knows? Okay. See, I think I'm afraid to do an accurate count, Andy, but I'm like one, two, three, four, five, maybe like seven. Seven times. Yeah.

And what made you continue to relapse? Did you feel alone still? Well, sometimes in the beginning, right, there's just, you're not actually even in, they say. You're just, you keep relapsing. You're trying to get clean, right? So there's some of those, I think, were me just trying to get clean.

And in the beginning, right, getting, I'm asking like like 60 90 days is actually really difficult once you get to those points for me that's when and i've seen this with others too is that we get to like 30 60 90 days you can start um things get easier yeah so then there was a time though so um all through my first sobriety after after this jail experience right i'm asked seven years sober and then and and that's i'm still not really in touch with my my like sexuality or my uh gender identity and things like that so so i really just kind of like tripped out at seven years and relapsed. And went back. Yeah.

Yeah, I went back. I didn't go back to heroin. I never went back to heroin. No, I never went back to heroin. Was it pills or what did you get into? I just got into alcohol like crazy. I got into meth. You got into meth.

That shit. That shit's wild. Boy. I was in for like four days on meth and I was like, oh, super horny. It's crazy. That shit's a, super horny. It's crazy. That shit's a wild drug, dude. It's a wild drug. That's a wild fucking drug.

Quite incredible. I thought it was pretty intense. I talked to once. I'm like, I can't do this again because I'm going to be coming on everything. Well, I just think I'm a genius when I'm on it. So, you know, and I was very productive for a time. And that's how I met. I was dating a girl. This is crazy how I got into meth. I was very productive for a time. That's how I met. I was dating a girl. This is crazy how I got into meth.

I was dating a girl. It was one of my first queer relationships. I wake up one morning and we're partying and drinking quote-unquote normal. It's just cocaine, alcohol. I woke up one morning and I heard her cutting lines. I'm like, I'm an old

drug user. I'm like, I'm an old drug user. I'm like, wait, now what are you doing over there? And that was speed. And these were like, this person was an artist, a working artist in the industry. Like on the fine art side or whatever. And what I learned is there's a lot of folks doing that. It's not as like, it's not just people in the gutter.

No, no. Speed is a real, like what was harder to kick heroin or speed? You know, I can't even compare them. I think they were both really painful. I think there's such different drugs,

right? Or are they? Yeah. It's just that the, the losing your, for me, it was losing my reality. Right. And that's what it started to do that to, for me, it was losing my reality.

Right. And that's what it started to do that to my brain. And I was just like, no more. Like that's worse punishment than the physical pain. I think of opiates. It was just, what were you working on after those seven years where you relapse into meth? Like what were you,

were you working on music where you work on yourself? I mean, always. Yeah. I was always working on music. I was always recording, doing, making demos,

writing. I've always written, um, not was always recording, making demos, writing. I've always written, I did that throughout on or off drugs. It's never, um, I did a lot of work. I made a lot of music sober. I made, I mean,

it's just, it's cool now to think about it, but I also did make a lot of songs loaded, um, and wasted a lot of maybe people's time, you know, shit. I didn't even think about that you're high what was the worst what was one what what writing session or studio session do you regret the most out of those

when you're just loaded in a studio you remember i told my i made amends to these bandmates but yeah there was definitely times where i'd be like for i had a band in LA and I was going to the session and I'm like, not like an hour late, but I'm like three hours late. And, um, and I get there and we're rehearsing and things are going good. But like,

you can tell there's, you can tell they're still kind of mad and like everything's way behind. And I just like bend over, I bent over to like dial my guitar pedal in and just like a massive bag of cocaine falls out of my vest on the floor in front of both of them. I was all

smooth and I'm like, anyways, blah, blah, blah. In my mind, I'm like, everyone takes antidepressants. It's the same thing. Put it in my pocket. How did you have money for all this? What were you doing for money? I did.

I was just hustling. Seven years still hustling? Oh, then I kind of had money. I worked in rehabs for a while. Yeah, for many years, actually. Holy shit. That was kind of cool. Then I relapsed and I was not working there.

I worked in a coffee shop one time in Silver Lake. I was the worst barista you'd ever meet. You'd wish somebody else would make your coffee. Why is she twitching? I'll take a Americano. Yeah, I'm like, she's twitching, but she's moving very slowly. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, she's twitching, but she's moving very slowly.

What do you think the songs you wrote during this time of, I'm going to call it finding yourself, was the call for help? It's like the diary version. What song was it like, now you look back, like, damn, I was sad, and I was maybe suicidal, or I was alone. What was that song you look back now when you're high, like the call for help? Oh, I mean, there's so many, but I don't have any that are published. I mean, like I said, I've made these records sober.

Any song? There are all these. Oh, God, I would just have like, I had this song called This Distance. This Distance distance you know like to be so far away from everything and so dark and and and the lyrics are like oh admit it i just needed someone around um oh this distance i just needed someone around and just the darkness the despair like you were lonely victor so fucking lonely yeah i have no idea i really feel that i mean like you talk about this time and like you haven't talked about your parents really during these seven years

after like did they just kind of disband you or disown you or like oh no no they're cool they're they're cool they're chill like that you know they're they were just like oh fuck we didn't even know i mean actually well truth i never told my dad, and he died. He died during this? Yeah. I never, that was part of my relapse at seven years, too. My dad showed up in our life again, and sort of, and just, like,

dying, and had nothing. Zero. Nada. So, it was, and my mom, like, took him into her house, and was, like like taking care of they'd been divorced like 30 years uh but so that was kind of beautiful on its own but it was also like awoken the beast again for me um in my relationship with him because i just come out of the closet i was feeling real good and then i was like this guy's here i can't tell him

still you felt like you couldn't tell your dad? No, my sister tried to tell him, but he had dementia. So we don't know if he got it. Man. Do you regret telling him early in your life? No, I think that was self-protection. I do think he was homophobic, actually. I said my parents are cool and I was referring to my mom.

Yeah. I think he was pretty homophobic. And that's just where he comes from. Why did you feel like you were still alone through these times? You had people you were taking drugs with or were you taking drugs by yourself? No, I had people that were out and about. I was maintaining going to bars and it seemed okay. I still have some friends that met me in that time, they were like you're gonna die probably if you don't stop doing this you know that's just what

it looked like because that's what was happening i just started deteriorating but you still felt alone why why do you think looking back i think that i felt alone because I had so much shame, right? Right. It's just all about shame, I think. Did you not love yourself ever? Oh, never. Why do you think you didn't love yourself? I didn't even know that we were supposed to do that.

Well, because I was scared of myself. Yeah. If society said I was bad, I was actually kind of like there was something subconsciously I was actually kind of like there was something subconsciously there where I was like scared of myself and I was I thought it was just bad and defective and um uh condemned right you know I just felt like somebody already told me I was wrong and so I was like yeah I am wrong and I'm gonna fucking prove that point at myself for many years and so that's like the opposite of learning to love yourself I feel like it's it can't there is no process that can exist when when I'm in a complete self-destruction cycle so it took a lot of a lot of years but I will say you know in my like those seven years even when I didn't know I was gay

and all that being just trying to like walk the line. I learned a lot about myself in that time also. It was like a healthy time then. It's just been a process. It's like two steps forward, one step, three steps back. And now I feel like I actually have a relationship with myself. Like I do. I have dialogue that's healthy.

And like, it's not, I'm not always healthy. Don't get me wrong. Well, I'm going to clap to that. Let's fucking go, queen. Can we clap? We're progressing.

We're progressing. Yeah, we should maybe just talk about your music for a second. Yeah, right. We just talked about life. But like, that's how my show is.

I don't, I mean, everyone you could hear talks about your music. So what's your schedule like for this year? What's going on? I'm going to the Grateful Dead thing in Mexico. Oh, you're playing that?

I'm playing that, yeah. The Riviera Maya or the Great... Dead Ahead Fest at Riviera. It's Cancun. Yeah, Bob's going to be there and stuff. It'd be cool to meet him. Have you seen him since? No.

This is going to be exciting. But he does know my manager, you know, Don. Yeah, Don is drossy. And Don has talked to him and he remembers my dad. He had said, oh, Michael, I remember him. Don's the best. Don's the best. I'm so happy you guys are working together

because I love seeing Don as a manager, not just a booker. Right. He's good. He gets it. He gets me. He found me my manager, Brian Schwartz. He gets artists,

and he really understands. He's really got a great ear. Yeah. That's what it comes down to for me. I'm like, he gets artists and he really understands he's really got a great ear is what it comes down to for me he gets the music have you ever heard him yell yet? yeah he's heard me yell too but we're close

we're both really honest and we're really passionate people and to have someone match that energy with me is great and you know he's the goat he's like he's one of the yeah he is he's a king he is a king i call the king a king of denver oh yeah he's a goat um so what are you doing i'm coming back to denver by the way when on the so we're doing a whole tour january 17th we start at troubadour in LA. My headline tour is my first because of the pandemic.

Let's go, Jamie! 24 dates. 24 dates headlining. Yeah, and I got some friends coming out to open and support the shows. Ritty Armand is a great singer. Joshua Quimby. So yeah, we're going to be back in Denver at the Bluebird January

26th, which should be really cool. Headlining. I've never headlined there. Headlined. You excited? You nervous? Or what? This is your first headline tour.

Oh, for sure I'm nervous. I'm trying to finalize the monitor engineer right now for those in-ears I was talking to you about. But I'm really stoked. You going in a van? Actually, we're going in like a, it's a van wagon. Yeah, basically. It's something cool. It's like a

Winnebago. There's bunks. So there's like bunks. Which is going to make this a lot easier because I go hard, baby. I know, Queen. I feel you, Queen. You go get them. You go get them. Let the world know who the fuck is about to take over this music scene. I'm, Queen. I feel you, Queen. You go get them. You go get them. You go get them. Let the world know who the fuck is about

to take over this music scene. I'm serious. You're a badass. I got the Winnebago for outfit changes. The wardrobe is near and dear to my heart. Hell yeah.

Well, keep rocking. I'm so happy to officially meet you. And this is just the beginning. Let's be friends. And anything you need. Oh, I know. I'd love the beginning. Let's be friends. And anything you need. Oh, I know.

I'd love that. I'll get your number from Dawn or Instagram and we'll make it happen. I got one last question. You know, when it's all said and done, you've had, I felt like you've had four different lives. It's pretty wild. Thank you. I'm lucky. You are.

And you're still here. And to fight the demon it's the demons of depression man it it is yes it is i mean it'll take you on a fucking roller coaster and for you to get through it and uh put out a record and find a path um and uh you're just getting started now i can't wait to see it yeah man when it's said and done, though, what do you want to be remembered by? I'd like to be inspiring for people.

That's really what I want. I just want people to be inspired to do whatever it is they need to do. From hooking up with women in a prison to headlining your first tour. I think that's pretty fucking inspiring. So let's fucking go, Jamie.

Thanks for being on the show, Jamie. What a great story. You rule. And we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll catch up here pretty soon.

It's my pleasure. Bye, Andy. Bye, bye. Bye. You tuned in to the World's Health Podcast bye Andy bye bye bye you tuned in to the world

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