Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 262: Sam Herring (Future Islands)

Episode Date: March 20, 2024

NEW SONG ALERT! Andy Frasco and the U.N. have a new single to debut and you're in for a banger. Please enjoy. Then on the Interview Hour we got Sam Herring from synth pop band, Future Islands! Sam's got a diverse portfolio of insanely good music but mostly: he is THE consummate performer (I mean, have you seen that one late night performance??) and Andy gets to pick his brain. How cool is that?? And guess what... Watch the full episodes Exclusively on Volume.com now in color!  Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Todd Glass Brian Schwartz Arno Bakker

Andy Fresco, I'm on the tour with Jim and he has something he wants to say to you. Andy, you gotta come get Todd. He's turning off lights everywhere. I mean, it's like sometimes it's, we drove by a restaurant and he ran in and he turned on the lights. He loves it. Jesus Christ, I told him to say something else. Andy Fresco, Todd Glass. I guess I don't have to say my name you know what I miss you guys I really do that was shut the fuck up fun being with you guys just for my just for my heart and by the way um I heard your manager's going to be there tonight.

So don't do what you did in Philly, gobbling up all the drugs. You know what you're like? You're like the mushroom monster. Me love, me and DeFosco, me love mushroom. Clean it up, Frasco. I ain't shitting around because let me tell you something. I like Brian, and I'm telling on you. You do anything when I'm around you, I'm telling Brian. Hey, it's Schwartz.

Listen, I just got back to my desk and heard that, once again, fans are giving you drugs and you're eating them on stage. This is not a joke. I've left you this message before. Unfortunately, you're sick, scald, and you're not getting it. You can put this on the podcast. You cannot take illegal substances from anyone, ever, and do them in public on stage. You will get arrested.

You will call me crying. I will have to fucking get on a plane and bail you out, and then you can say goodbye to going to certain international markets, and you can also just say goodbye to the momentum, because it's going to set you back. Seriously, Andy, get your shit together. If you want to do drugs, I don't care what you do, as long as you drink water and balance it out,

but don't do it in private. Certain things are not for the public, okay? Pull your head out of your ass Hey guys, it's Andy Hope you're just kicking ass out there Just fucking shredding shit out there this week I'd like to premiere a new single from my band Andy Frasco in the UN Called What We Used To Be Is Not Who We Are It's going back to my emo years

I wanted to express that, you know, just because you're changing doesn't mean that's a bad thing. Get out there and keep changing, keep evolving. So Chris, play the trumpets, baby. It's time to premiere a new single off another record that this band is going to put out called What We Used To Be Is Not Who You Are. Enjoy. I got heavy-headed thoughts but my heart still goes Had love in my youth but scared to grow What I saw is what I know

Aiming to please but nowhere to go Wore extra long tees and overcoat Always hiding everything inside my clothes Decomposed but nobody knows Decomposed but nobody knows Overexposed and now it shows Got an armful of wristbands to cover the stars What we used to be is not who we are I know who I am, just scared to grow I tend to work out the kings as I go Abuse myself with turns from the road Love in your heart you never know

Got an armful of wristbands to cover the scars What we used to be is not who we are Got an army of good friends to answer the call What we used to be is not who we are Oh, oh, oh used to be is not who we are Got an armful of wristbands to cover the stars What we used to be is not who we are Got an army of good friends to answer the call What we used to be is not who we are What we used to be is not who we are

What we used to be is not who we are What we used to be is not who we are How you doing, Sam? I'm doing good, chilling. So you said you were in North Carolina for a little bit, visiting family. What's your brother's name? My brother's name is Joel. So how important is family to you?

Family is really important to me, His name is Joel. So what's your, how important is family to you? Family is really important to me, but, you know, it's one of those weird things where I realized, like, I realized a few years, maybe, well, it's probably about 10 years ago now that, you know, I do all this stuff to, you know, take care of my family. And I basically just run away from them. My whole job is, takes me away from being close to them you know what i mean like yeah like far from home i don't i can't be home you know north carolina is in the on the coast i grew up in a really small town so we're out of banks like uh farther south in the outer banks uh moorhead city is like uh it's on the other side of okra coke if you've been down to okra yeahoke. Yeah, yeah. So if you take, you know, you go all the way down to Outer Banks, take a ferry to Ocracoke.

And then if you drive on the other side, you take the other ferry, then you get to where I'm from. Oh, wow. How hard is it to process? You know, like I'm in a band too, man. I've been in a band for 15 years and family's really important to me. And how do you process in your head that you're doing the right thing, you know, but being going away for so long, you know,

that's a good question. I don't, I don't know if, I don't know if you do process. I mean, the it's, it's so different now, you know,

uh, being able to catch up is a lot easier just because of like phones and stuff. You know, I got my parents, a computer, the first like computer and stuff. You know, I got my parents, a computer, the first like computer they had at their house in, you know, they'd had an old one for years and then it disappeared. And I got them one just so I could FaceTime them from the road. You know what I mean? Right. And a year went by, a year went by,

and it was the next Christmas where I was like, I'm going to set up the FaceTime now because y'all never did this. But yeah, just being able to connect, you know, trying to be more present, you know, because I used to go like a month without talking to my folks. And I try to make it every week just to be more present. I think it's easy to get lost, especially out on the road. Just get lost and start your own life. But also, that's what my parents get lost and start your own life. But, but also that's my, my parents raised us to start our own lives. You know, I think they felt like they, they lived

their lives the way they, their parents wanted them to live. So they raised their sons to be artists and poets. And then we grew up and they were like, fuck, that's what I was going to say. Like, they're like, oh shit, they're actually going to do it. We didn't teach them anything. You should do what you want to do. And it's a crap shoot. It's a gamble. Do they guilt trip you now as they get older? Because people get lonelier.

They see their years ending sooner than later. And do they give you guilt that you're not calling them anymore or like is that just internally you're you're you feel like you need to do that they don't actually they're pretty good i mean my parents are such a they're such a unit themselves you know what they've been together for 45 years or something right so and they're they're you know still playing grab ass and stuff you're getting called out mom and dad if you're listening let's go uh they're still playing grab ass and they're all cute shit so i mean and that's beautiful to me but i feel like they they have what they need and so it's easy it's it's not like they feel real lonely you know

they have each other and and of course they miss their their sons and and all that but uh but yeah i don't i don't know i mean my dad will always be like we got some food on the stove there's some shrimp cooking you know like if you start driving now you might make it for dinner and uh every every, you know, just to remind us of home and remind us what's there and, you know, make us feel safe. But my parents were real good, too, about as far as my career. They probably by the time I was 21 or 22 accepted my path. You know, right. They were like, I dropped out of of school i'd like got clean off

drugs they're like well he's kind of but uh he's 21 you got cleaned off drugs like 21 20 years so when were you starting to do drugs 14 15 i mean i said like i didn't start doing hard drugs so i was like 16 but what were hard drugs considered to you coke acid yeah that type i mean i was eating mushrooms at 14 smoking lots of weed and they're cool that no of course not of course i was little brother so i got away with everything you know yeah like when your little brother, well, that's not true for everybody. I saw my brother get caught so many times and plead the fifth and cry and say, I didn't do it. I just knew, by the time I was coming around, I was sneaky. I was real sneaky, which was probably worse off, you know, made me worse off, you know, made me a bit of a liar and a thief.

Right. All these things that I had to, like, you know it made me a bit of a a liar and a thief and all these things i had to like you know reform myself how many years younger are you uh three and a half three and a half yeah so you still went to high school with him so you saw him as a senior no we just missed so my freshman year was he was his freshman year in college so So, um, but yeah, my brother was, he was like revered for being like a madman, you know, when he was in high school. So then when I got to high school, people were like, oh, you must be crazy. Like your brother and telling me all these lies, you know, outright lies about my brother. Like he did this and that, or he's this and that.

I'm like, nah, nah that like no no that's that's not true so i was like are people making the rumors that he's this wild person or is he making the rumors or is there stuff i don't know but when i got to the high school i was just kind of a you know i was still like played sports and um was just kind of fine like i lost like my best friend moved away and then in my eighth grade year eighth grade year. So it was this really big, uh, change in my life of like, what am I, you know, the kids that I grew up with playing sports, which I, I love sports. I still love sports. Uh, we can't play anymore. Um, if they, I realized that we were different, know We're like We still get on But like we're wired Our brains are a little different Like

Right And then so I started to find my My People more like me Who were more like skaters And surfers And Yeah

And that's when That was my crew That's when the acid hits I was I mean I was I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't skate

Man I've had bad knees Since I was like 10 years old Like I had This Oscar Schlotters But So I couldn't skate. Man, I've had bad knees since I was like 10 years old. I had this Oscar Schlatter's butt. So I couldn't skateboard. So I would just like, yeah, I was just like freestyle and sell weed. That was my job in the crew. Like, entertain us and get a bag. I'm like, I can do this all day.

That's amazing. Yeah, that was the crew. So it's like, I'm do this all day. That's amazing. Yeah, that was the crew. So it's like, I'm the same way, man. I got away with murder. My sisters were doctors and marketing people. And then I am that musician that was six years later. And I learned how to lie and knew how to get my way. What is it that the babies know how to fucking...

Because they've seen it before. They've seen... Or are we just like kind of loners because our parents are kind of over fucking... Dude, well, you're hitting on a few points there. Because I do think... I mean, the older kid... The first kid always gets it the worst because the parents don't know what the hell they're doing. Right.

And then the second one gets a little less because they just have they realize they have to be a little more lax right i'm going to change everything and it just keeps getting a little bit easier and easier and then maybe by the end it might get harder if you're real far down the line like oh my god these kids are never going to change um but yeah i think i think seeing my brother just like the way he got in trouble, I learned how to get out of things quicker, just deal with the pain really fast. I remember the last time my dad spanked me, he spanked my brother first, and my brother was wailing and screaming. I was probably only like six years old. screaming i was i was probably only like six years old and then i was up next and i just walked in with a straight face and pulled my britches down and and said uh are we gonna do

this and my dad just like looked at me like like is this kid a psychopath but i you know i i took the five the five smacks and i went went and played because i was like i ain't got time for this like if we're gonna do it let's get it over with. So I can go, you know, play with my, my GI Joes or whatever. And there's something about that too. But, but also parents are, yeah, they, I mean, I think a lot of my loneliness, you know, no disrespect to them. Cause they just work their asses off to keep the boat, keep the afloat but uh yeah i just had to play with myself i was just i was just like in the woods you know with a stick i watched george carlin stand up recently he's like yeah when i was a kid i had one toy it was called a stick and i would do i would dig it like i didn't have video games or any of this stuff i mean this is old old carlin before smartphones even but he's just like yeah it was just me and me and my buddy stick and i'm like i completely uh i completely relate to that i think about kids these days i don't know how the

hell they deal with everything the onslaught of information and availability of things like when i found out that you could listen to like 30 second clips of music on the internet, when I was like, uh, you know, seventh, eighth grade,

I, you know, real player clips on weird websites to like, listen to music that I couldn't get ahold of. It was just like, blew my mind. Like, uh,

and you would wait all day. Yeah. It's just so different. Yeah. It's just so different. Yeah. Yeah, it's just so different now. Well, now it's like instead of 30-second clips, it's like six-second clips. Like the ADD culture is getting so much crazier.

You know, I want to go back to that idea of like, you said, all right, let me get the slaps on the ass and let's get back to it. Do you feel like that is how you treated your career as well? Like whatever I had to do to get to this next point in my life, I'm going to have to do it if it's fucking living in a van. Like you knew all the processes of it to get to where you wanted to go. Like what was your vision with Future Islands? I think there's some truth in that. I guess i never really thought about it but there's definitely a stubbornness and bullheadedness to doing this as a career and making it work like you kind of got to be either got to be ignorant or on that's so true i've just just said so many words that are pretty much the same thing.

Like, you really have to, I mean, you got to have some talent. You know, you got to be able to write a song or something. But even people that, you know, the thing about music nowadays is you can find your, there's a niche for everything. You know, we're so connected like if you make the most the weirdest most niche music you can have a there are 100 people out there who will buy everything that you do and will support you just have to find them um and i think we kind of discovered that early on just within our uh community of college um that uh you know like we were we were playing to 400 people every month at the local bar and they would buy our little cdrs and and you know like we were we were playing to 400 people every month at the local bar and

they would buy our little cdrs and and you know like building that base was important but there are the times you know there is like 22 can i really do this there's 25 is is this insane like am i wasting my life uh 20 28 29 i mean it wasn't until i was about it was 23 when i said i'm gonna give this to 30 uh or i'll go back to school yeah i failed out of school but there's like i think there's like an eight-year period and then they'll wipe your records yeah i was like i'll put in eight years and then uh you know if I basically I've made that rule to myself, like if I don't make a name for myself in this in this game, then I'm by 30, I'll go back to school and figure it out. But right. But by 26, you know, I was like, oh, you know, I can do this. Right. Make a name for myself and can keep going, can live like this.

But, you know, there's a lot of sacrifice to what you feel comfortable with to be able to make it work you know you have to you have to be like i don't need security right you know to to to go after music um to and and to to understand like what's the most important thing for you my goal was never to be famous or to be like a multimillionaire. It was just to live off my art and not have people tell me what to do. And that's that stubbornness. That's just like, don't tell me what to do. And that's that only child. I mean, like the younger child slash like, you know, I'm teaching myself how to live. So if I'm teaching myself how to live, don't teach me how to live when I'm actually an adult.

how to live. So if I'm teaching myself how to live, don't teach me how to live when I'm actually an adult. Yeah. Well, you know, and it's constantly a growing process. Like I'm still, you know, I'm, I'm a couple months away from 40 and I'm, you know, still redefining my life and my goals. Um, and that's something that that's something that's allowed to change. You know, I think people don't feel comfortable you know and they're like is this a midlife crisis can you tell me is this yeah but it is like no we have to you know if we don't like adapt and change or redefine what we want then we kind of find dead ends you know the the interesting thing is like yeah when i was 23 i went after this goal you know i had this girl that i loved and and we're i was gonna make this thing happen and

she only lasted like a another year and then she was gone um but but that was the thing was like i said i'm gonna go after this um and then when i when I hit 30 and I was like, wow, I got, I got everything that I wanted, but I lost this other side. You know, I didn't get a family. I didn't get love, you know, I've been in and out of relationships. So then I, you know, I went off to that for a few years, but you kind of like choose a path and you got to get to the end of it. Right. You know, cause I knew that if i didn't i knew at that time like if i gave up music then i would always wonder what if right uh uh and and if i did if i stayed with the girl and said i just make a life then i'd probably grow to resent this other person

that kept me from this dream right so i had to go for the dream and then i got the dream but then i was like well now what is there yeah now you gotta read you gotta redefine yeah like what's the and the goal is just to live off the music and that's i've been able to do that um uh but maintaining is is is another beast sorry man i'm like so no i'm so tangential no bring it on i love i love this man i'm here for it because i'm like, so tangential with the way I roll. I love this, man. I'm here for it. Because I'm like, it makes sense. Like, okay, we see the dream. Sometimes maybe we got the dream

earlier than the other people got the dream. Now the goal is how do we fine tune the dream so we could still be a fucking dream? Yeah. Yeah, because if this thing becomes business, that's like what I don't like. And I told, I was shifted this this call around because I was like, I had a really important management band meeting. Important because we don't talk. Same as mine, dude. Same as mine. communicate and that's important in any relationship you forget it but but there is

that thing that scares me with uh music because you're like well now my art is a business that's a machine that feeds people not not just like the people that enjoy the art but the people that that like you know within the band within the crew within, within management, labels, like, you're like, wow, this is a, this is an important thing for a lot of people, but also it's just supposed to be art. Right. Right. And that's why we did it in the first place, bro. Yeah. Yeah. And so like, it's, it's so important to have these like meetings and then you're like, it also cracks my brain. Cause I i just i would rather just be making art yeah uh so so yeah it's it's it's all a weird it's a weird thing i mean we yeah we just did we

just got 18 years as future islands and 21 years me william and garrett have been playing together so that's a long road man yeah you guys ever like want to beat the shit out of each other That's a long road, man. Yeah, dude. You guys ever want to beat the shit out of each other? Nah, it's been a few years. Yeah, dude. I hear you, dude. I think there were some beefs in the old days.

Now it's spoken through. What were the beefs? Yeah. Well, I mean, early on, William wanted to kick my ass because I was a drug addict, you know, and he was he was just trying to wake me up out of my addiction. And, you know, that he was he was being a friend. And then, you know, we had our first drummer left the band because me and him uh we got into it a few times i think he was really he really was at uh his his uh personality was very dominant yeah um and he but he was the new guy yeah okay because we no no no not garrett our first drummer so me, william and garrett we

had had the band for two and a half years. And then we started Future Islands. One of our members left. So we ended the first band and we started the new band with the new drummer, who was a buddy from around town. leader type and our whole thing is like no no like no leaders yeah you know we all we all lead it's a democracy and uh and so as the you know but but i would just yeah we would get into it it was like we go out at the ocean and be like who can swim farther type shit you know my fucking god let's yeah and then one night me and him took a hit of acid and drank about 24 beers each and took a hit of acid and drank about 24 beers each and the lat my last beer i poured out on his head and uh we about we didn't come to i was trying to get him to fight me he wouldn't fight me and he just he walked like 30 miles home i still feel really bad about that but that's that's how he quit the band oh my really have you guys talked since then? A couple times. Yeah. Hell, man, this is... Sorry, Eric.

Yeah. This is like 16 years ago. That's wild. I think we've seen each other a couple times, but yeah, yeah. That was kind of a weird one, but we had different... He had a very different approach.

We got into it that night because he said that he wanted to just make a million dollars and quit making music. Oh, really? different uh approach we got into it that night because he he said that he wanted to like just make a million dollars and quit making music and i was like and i was like no we're i'm up on acid and a million beers it's like we're all list now yeah we're gonna make a million records and make no money agree with me how's garrett how's garrett is he like kind of mellow he's like kind of like whatever man it's all good or is it garrett is the most mellow garrett's more like stoic his uh his uh vibe is is definitely cat definitely is a cat vibe he he watches things go around

and then he says what they are and he's always right and it's really annoying what about i mean gary's like my best friend from when we were like 14 so i know him forever no one yeah knowing him forever um how do you keep those guys on path you know like uh through through as they're young because there's like different personalities not a lot of people like you said the other band mate was kind of hard-headed how do you keep them on path to uh you know keep the dream alive you don't i mean that's the thing is you so many things that make a successful band with like long-serving members i mean because that's a big part of it i mean there's plenty of bands that have been around that you know there's like one or two of the original guys and or girls and and it's just uh it's it's just a matter of you know who who's gonna carry the torch who's gonna fight for it and then people that come and go but i

think as a group you have to respect that everybody is going to change um but you need the the the initial or the the thing that binds you together which is that you want to make this thing work right and you have to trust the people around you but you know there's egos you know right you deal with in any partnership and anything you deal with egos and and people change what they want and myselfelf included. I'm not throwing anybody. It's just a part of growing up. For years, the guys had partners and I didn't. And so they would do stuff. And I would be like, why aren't we making music?

And then I was like, am I jealous? Yeah, I was going to ask you that. Do you think looking back... I wish I was hanging out with a girl. I wish I was getting constant pussy all the whole time uh so you know and like you know people people get married people get divorced people have kids you know i've there's so many great bands that just ended because people wanted to have lives uh and then uh and that's okay you know there's nothing wrong with that but i think to make it last you have to be like uh you just have to know if everybody still wants it you know do do we still

support this thing and and uh support it as art but how hard that's why those conversations are so important to like yeah it's grounded i was I was going to ask you, how hard was it to get that answer when you guys weren't communicating? I mean, I think it's still difficult for us. I think we are still, you know, you're also in an arrested development. You know that. Right. Part of being in a band is like, I'll never have to grow up.

We're staying up forever. Yeah. So, you know, that kind of attitude, you know, at some point when me, William, and Garrett communicate, we're still like 20-year-old kids who are learning how to speak with one another and how to like uh how how to communicate without hurting one another's feelings and how to you know uh you know there's i think for us there's the there's pride that keeps us together there's pride about

a shared venture that you know is uh like this band you know like everything i've seen in this world i saw it first with those two guys you know how weird is that you know yeah like we played every state in the country you know yeah like you know went to europe for the first time went to australia went to japan you know it was always with those guys so we have this really shared uh this insane shared uh world and worldview that's also you know you forget sometimes that even though you're in the same place and doing the same things you're living completely different lives right um and and that's the thing that you really have to remember to just be like how's how's your wife doing you know yeah like like uh you you think that you know one another because you're together so much but but you you know you don't

you know or you don't you like my relationship with garrett is like we don't really have to talk and i was like but we really should like i wish we would talk more you know right that's been our relationships since we were kids you know it's just kind of a uh like intrinsic understanding of one another that's like comfortable but then uh but then yeah you know trying to be trying to be a part of one another's lives is uh it's a choice right you know it shouldn't be a it shouldn't be a forced thing. It should be like, no, I choose that because you're my friend and I love you. But I'm in New Orleans and I was in Sweden for years and I've been traveling away from the guys for so long in the same way that I've traveled away from my

family. Now William Williams living out West. So, so there's a lot of questions right now, you know, that's part of the new record, you know, it's called people who aren't there anymore is, is not only about like people we lost through drugs and suicide,

the pandemic, uh, breakups, divorces, but also, you know, ourselves, you know,

like who we were and what we are now and yeah the new record might be not just being about like your long distance relationship falling apart maybe it's like kind of like how we get older with our bandmates and how everyone's kind of distant too it's like it's all relative right yeah definitely definitely and that just that understanding of space and time i I mean, you know, like so much of, it's one of those weird things with Future Islands where, you know, when we put out our sixth record, I started to realize that the records weren't really, it wasn't like, it's the sixth album. It felt more like it's the sixth book, you know, in a series of memoirs or something it's like the next chronicle of where we what we've done and where we've been and you know and my my story in particular but i feel that even more so within this new record uh where we are you know we've been sharing our lives in many different ways for so many years.

And what's the cost of that, you know, and, and, you know, but also showing the maturity of the, not the mature, not showing maturity, although that is the hope. But, but like the maturation of a of a person right uh in society like like you can you can hear the growth of a human being through those albums you know and the the early rage um the grief you know when you're young like like all your emotions are are the only thing right like nothing else nothing else in the world exists except your emotion in that moment and no one understands you um you're completely alone in

your grief uh whatever you're going through and and you know and then you you find those calm in the in the in our middle records of that that like calmness and like slowing down and reflecting more and like seeing two sides of the story. And now, now it's even more so of, of the, uh, accepting like really hard truth and being like,

I am accepting this truth and I'm going to move on with grace. Um, because that's what my life has taught me. You know, when you're 23, you're like the whole world is ending. It's over. My girl, my girlfriend just hung up on me. When you're 23, you're like, the whole world is ending. It's over. My girlfriend just hung up on

me. They got married. It's over. Maybe you didn't answer your question. Maybe you were jealous. Oh, totally, dude. Totally. I know. Isn't it crazy how we want to admit jealousy? Yeah, of course.

It makes us weak. It makes us seem weak. It's hard to even say that to our partners who love us. I know. I'm so jealous right now. So jealous. Stupid. I wish that guy had talked to you.

Yeah. You get to watch Netflix for seven hours. I'm in a fucking bus with my boys. Oh, yeah. Jealous about that, too. I want to chill. I want to chill. I've definitely been jealous of just my girlfriend's workmates.

She's like, they get to hang out with you in silence for eight hours a day. I have to be on tour. Yeah, I'm just like, yeah, like yeah no passive aggressively so you understand my points oh man what is that yeah how hard was it as you know for you know it's like you know you talk about being a team player through this all and while you were all you know using heavy on coke looking back do you feel like you weren't being a team player at that time no no i was definitely just out for myself i mean part of it's kind of weird like i can i realize i mean i realized years ago in retrospect that there was a part of there was a part of my drug the me drug like dealing drugs that then became my addiction. That was me just, you know, it was

kind of like being a center, you know, there was like an attention to that. It like gave me some like cool identity. And I'd be, you know, really, I just wanted to have free weed, you know, in the beginning, I just want free weed. And, and I want my friends to come together and like smoke at my career and smoke my house, whatever. But, but there's definitely a side of it with when I got, when I started dealing coke and got hard, got hard up, that was, uh, yeah, there was, there was some, there was some weird side of me that like thought it was part of what I was supposed to be doing. Cause I was this Yeah. You know, it was totally false. In the same way that people are afraid of, like, if they, like,

artists can be afraid if they straighten out their lives and they won't have things to write about. Right. And that in itself is very depressing and self-defeating. And I also understand it because it's a lot easier to write a song when you're, like, brokenhearted or at the bottom of your life. You know, there's a lot you're really reflecting very deeply. But yeah, there was definitely me like, I'm a rapper who sells drugs.

This makes sense. And I'm just like, yeah, that's like what I was. You're playing with the character. You're playing on like. Yeah, totally. You're like Daniel Day-Lewis bro dude totally I mean that was me that I mean this is me in you know high school into college where I was just like yeah it's just part of it's part of the thing and then you're like man when I look back now I'm like that's crazy I know I was doing this stuff you know I should be in jail like I'm, I'm like, that's crazy. I know. I was doing this stuff. You know, I should be in jail.

Like, I'm lucky I'm not. I didn't spend time in jail. And, you know, at times I thought I was going to die. When was that? I mean, I don't have the dates. No, but like, you know, was it cocaine that you thought you were going to, like, you were over? Yeah, just like heartburst, heartbursting type. Holy shit.

There was one night we went to do a show. This was a crazy one. We went to do a show in Greenville. We went to school at East Carolina University in Greenville, North Carolina. And it was known as a party school back then. But I was at my house with my roommate. It was Halloween night. I was dressed up like alvin

from alvin and the chipmunks uh-huh a great outfit um and you know the whole band we dressed up as alvin the chipmunks then garrett was dave you know the dad uh it was amazing and uh but right before we went out like you know we each had a gram and then uh we were gonna split like a giant adderall you know it's one of those time release where yeah if you break it out of the capsule and put it under your tongue it'll immediately hit you yeah and i went to just take like a little bit of it and the whole thing went in my mouth and i like i was like i didn't really want to spit it out it was like that's too much but i don't want to spit it all out so i just kind of took it and we went downtown went to the show i'm zooted out of my mind just like um i i literally had the bag on the bass cab and was just hitting it like in between songs

like taking bumps but at some point in the show my nose just popped and i just started bleeding every man this shit's crazy i've never told this story. Luckily, I'm wearing all red, you know? So I'm just wiping blood on my shirt. And we continue the show. But on that night, my heart was just beating out of my chest. Like, this is it. I'm gone at 20. Did you go to the hospital?

Or you just kind of washed it out? I just partied through it. Yeah, same here, man. I just partied through it. Yeah. Yeah. Same here, man. I mean, I do that. I used to do coke on stage and do the whole fucking night. One time I did too much right before I went on stage and I had to walk back off stage because I couldn't catch my breath because adrenaline hit.

Yes. So scary. Yeah. So when did you, so you're not, do you do blow now a little bit or you're just completely done? No. Yeah. So when did you, so you're not, do you do blow now a little bit or you're just completely done? No, I've, I've, I mean, when I got clean, I was on like a gram a day for like two and a half years. Holy shit. And then, and then I got, I got cleaned up. I went like a year clean and then like once a year for a couple of years and then a couple of times a year. and then it kind of devolved until like uh after i got back from sweden um it was starting to get a little like that's all they do and like they do so much coke

in sweden yeah um so it's just it was just around a lot um and so it became it kind of like crept in like once a month type thing and then i was like this is kind of sketchy and then when i got back like brokenhearted i i just went to my bottom and just started buying bags for a few weeks and then and then i like and then i was like fuck this this is insane what are you doing um so i i'm about to get two years and that'll be the longest let's fucking go i'll clap to that let's fucking go yeah let's go sam Sam. We're in here, baby. I had to slow it down too, man. I feel like you have to slow it down if you want to keep this thing going because you don't get to say

no. I mean, we do have a job where we literally could do anything we want. Yes. Exactly. And you have to learn to say no. Yeah, you said it though. You have to learn to say no. You know said it though you have to learn to say no you know there's part of this thing too like seeing it grow it's the same thing with like you have to say no to the buffet too yeah for real for real you know it's just like uh don't

eat the whole you don't have to eat the whole rider uh it will be there tomorrow i remember the first tour we did where they finally started filling our rider for the first time. It was like right after we did Letterman and we're kind of blowing up for the first time. I'm 30 years old and the rider's finally being filled and we get a bottle of Patron every night. And I spent a whole, it was like a six and a half week tour, probably like close to 40 shows. And I spent the whole tour trying to finish that bottle, just trying. And I, and, and, you know, everyone's just like, you don't have to finish it.

And then I would like arrive the next day at the next show and just be like, the bottle is full again. We have to take it down. So, I mean, like, I'm not drinking before shows anymore. That's like new as in the last year and a half. Yeah, dude. We have to take it down. I mean, like, I'm not drinking before shows anymore. Yeah. That's, like, new as in the last year and a half. Why did you decide that? Were you not playing as good anymore, or you were just kind of over the hangovers?

No, it's more my knees and my voice. I have vocal issues, but I also have knee issues that are, like, I drink to, like, my knees yeah so they don't hurt so much but then i but then you you know pain exists for a reason right it's like like i don't bend my finger back this far because then it hurts but if i drink a bunch then i can let it fucking go brother you know it's like it's i i found that i was pushing past pain to a point where I was in more pain. And so I like took a week or two off and I was like, oh, I feel better. Because when I'm feeling that pain on stage, I'm just not going there.

So my recovery time is better, but also my voice is better. I'm more lucid, you know, because it's easy to just go into zombie mode on the road. And just like, we're just going to get through this thing. I'm going to put myself in a coma for these five or six weeks. Right. And then I'll be on the other side. And then I can get healthy. Yeah.

And it's like, no, no, no. It still goes. When you get home, when you're doing that five to six week bender, do you come home and still bend? No, no. you go straight even in the old days like even in the old days uh i remember because you know we used to do we used to do like 150 shows a year for yeah i've probably done at least seven years there were like 150 show years which is crazy but in the old days i remember we we got back to matoran at the time me and garrett and william were all living in a house together with with like another band ed

schrader's music beat our buddy dan deacon our buddy nolan straws from this awesome band double dagger we were all in this house and we got back from a tour that was like three months long and uh we kind of looked at each other like are we alcoholics and so we all like we're all like we're gonna quit and some of us made it a quit. And some of us made it a couple days and some of us made it a week. And I just, I didn't drink for three or four weeks. And I'm like, cool, I'm not like, I don't need that.

That's a good sign. But yeah, usually I don't really drink when I'm at home. Unless there's a reason. Like if a friend's in town or something, I'll go out. What makes the road make us want to fucking drink a whole bottle of tequila?

There's nothing else to do. It's the same as smoking cigs. Yeah, exactly. And you feel like, if this is my life, then I gotta live it up. You know what I mean? There's that side of it. There's that side of it.

We're out here. If I'm going to be fucking lonely, I'm going to have a great fucking time. We can do whatever we want. I'm going to watch 90 Day Fiance. I'm going to get an extra large pizza. I'm going to chill. I'm going to chill.

That's so funny. You talk about your bad needs. I heard this story that you fucking just tackled some dude who came on stage I'm going to chill. That's so funny. So you talk about your bad needs. Do you think if... Because I heard this story that you fucking just tackled some dude who came on stage and then you tore your ACL, bro. No, no. I got tackled. Oh, you got tackled?

I got tackled. Yeah, yeah. Hold on. What happened? Well, I was performing with our buddy Dan Deacon, who's this amazing electronic composer from Baltimore, one of our oldest friends. And we were opening for him. We did a U.S. tour, and then we did a European tour.

But on the European tour, we only did like five of the ten shows playing. But the guys, Garrett and William, were playing in his ensemble. William was playing bass, and Garrett was playing keys. And Dan asked me at a show, I think it was Primavera. I can't remember if Primavera was the first one, but, but he was like, Hey, Sam, do you want to perform with the ensemble? Like I've got this red, I've basically put on this suit. I look like one of the M&Ms, you know, from the commercials. Like I look like a giant red M&M and, uh, and I was like, yeah, just cause I want to do something. I'm out here on the road.

I want to do something. So Dan basically, he just let me do my thing, but he would send me out. He does a lot of crowd participation. He'd send me out in the crowd and make a big circle. Then I would lead an interpretive dance that would just devolve into a giant mosh pit. And I would help set up the games out in the crowd and just like dance for an hour straight a night it was a lot of fun because we were playing these massive festivals uh at the time and that was really new to me this is 2000 and uh 2008 um so so yeah so i was just like having a blast and we did like two shows. And then on the third show, we were in Paris on the Seine.

It was like a festival, uh, in this, in, in this park on the Seine. And, uh, and these kids just, I, Dan sent me out in the crowd and, uh, he's like trying to explain to people, you know, what the game is, You know, I'm about to lead this interpretive dance. And as we're just beginning, these like six 15-year-olds just tackle me. And Dan is screaming like, no, no, no, no, no. Stop, stop. And like he gets, and I'm like trying to Hulk out of it, you know. And he tells everybody like, no, do not tackle do not destroy my friend please i'm like

what is happening and and i was like dan i don't want to be out here and he's just like hold a second so we did it again and then it all went fine but as the as the crowd you know basically i do this dance and everybody follows me until the beat starts to thump and then people would start jumping well i'd start pogoing then the crowd would start pogoing then they you know this is just what would happen um and as as the beat like kicked and everybody is losing it this one of these kids just jumps on my back when i'm like in the air and when i came down my i came down the front of my foot but my back went backwards so i came down the front of my foot, but my back went backwards. So I was on the front of my right leg, but my shoulders touched the ground and my knee just exploded.

Oh, my God. How'd they stop the mosh pit? Were people like stomping you? Nobody knew what was happening. So I was just like trauma blind. And this kid realizes that he's completely destroyed me and he's like trying to pull me up and i'm like stop don't touch me oh my god i'm like crying can't see i'm like yeah yeah just like tears streaming just from trauma and uh but everything is just black

in my vision um and i just like follow the music blindly limping uh to through the crowd to the front of the stage and then like go around and i took like 10 minutes off and then i just danced for like an idiot i was like it'll be fine um but you're still on adrenaline because like you didn't really feel that much once you got off once you got back to stage you're like fuck i'm back i'm back yeah i mean it's it's swelled up but holy but yeah so i was i just kept performing for like another four or five months but my knee kept popping out of socket like i'd be on stage and i just fall over um and i finally went to a doctor and found out that acl got torn but then so i got there i got it repaired in 2009. And then I was on tour just like 11 weeks after ACL reconstruction. And performed in like a leg brace for five, six months.

And then I re-toured it in 2015. So I've been on a tour in ACL since 2015. Oh my fucking God, dude. And you're an energetic dude. I do crazy stuff. How did you fucking work through the pain? Your brain's telling you, we need to rock out.

That's the tequila. That's wild, dude. Who are your front men that you inspired for you to go so crazy on stage? Who were your guys that you really loved? I mean, James Brown. Hell yeah. James Brown early on.

And even Elvis, who definitely probably got a lot of juice from James. Right. But those were big influences early on that i like recognized i mean my brother was a wild man like he used to be in bands and so he was like a weird influence but he was influenced through like david yow from the jesus lizard and right stuff like that and i remember the first i was that that uh primavera that i was at in 2008 uh i got to see the jesus lizard and i was blown away by this dude. And I was almost 100 yards away

and I'm just watching this dude, probably the 50, 55-year-old dude just flicking off the crowd. Hopefully he's not mad if I got his age wrong. But he'd been around, you know, he's been around since the early 90s and he's flicking off the crowd. I see him stage dive with the mic in his mouth,

like over the empty, empty you know between the barrier you know he's probably like jumping eight feet off the front of the stage to crowd surf and i'm just like oh my god you know like this is because i and joel told me this story that he heard about him when he was uh when we were younger about how david yow like maybe this is just legend but that he was doing a show in like dallas or something and somebody slung a glass bottle on stage and just cracked him uh in the ear on the side of the face and he's just like you know stumbling bleeding from from his head but it's just his you know that pop in your ear your whole equilibrium goes off yeah it's just like but as he

catches himself he just starts singing again and then he turns his other side of his face to the crowd and it's just like do it again motherfucker oh my god let's even it out and joel's like that is so cool he's probably like 14 or 15 telling me this so it's like whoa because also like i saw like uh i saw the i don't want to say it as a it's not i wouldn't say that this is a great influence. But when I was 10, I, like, went through my brother's room and found his, he had the Gigi Allen documentary, Hated. I think it's called Hated in the Nation, maybe, or just Hated. And I watched that at, like, 10 years old.

And it's just, like, a naked man with a peanut penis like throwing his around at people they're like why was he so mad i was like have you seen dude he's got a micro cock dude that poor guy he's just like look at my that's right that's so wow but yeah i was like you can do this yeah he's like performing at columbia university yeah they're like let's see this man's art. And he's just like, oh, this guy's terrible. We got to get him out of here. But I was like, wow, you can do anything and call it art.

I like this. How do you approach being a front man now versus how you were approaching it earlier? Because people are expecting you to go fucking ape shit, but you got a shitty knee, you know? Yeah. So how do you approach it in your head i still kill it i mean i'm still doing high kicks and stuff i can kill i just can't i can't do the squat thrust the same um but uh people don't realize like so much of my stage style is like all baseball yeah it's like uh it's the side shuffle left or right like uh from playing shortstop it's

like it's the throwing it from center field you know the crow hop and the punch you know like that's that's one of my moves it's like a crow hop in a in a bomb you know so but so uh i don't know like so much of what i try to do now i I think in the old days, it was more just about having fun and telling a story. And now it's more about telling a story and trying to connect a deep emotion to it. Maybe I should try to go back to the fun. Me and William had this side project called The Snails. And we used to play. We probably only did like 30, shows over like a 10-year

period but it was the most fun because it like connected me to that to our band before future islands which was just a party fun band and we dressed like snails and get really drunk and so cool and uh it didn't really matter what happened you know it was just a good time and and i missed sometimes i miss that with future islands but i also know like how much how much it means to people you know and and there's like a pride and a responsibility within it you know to to uh to bring a level of physicality but more more so that's changed to a to a emotional connection you know like yeah trying to connect to people because like they you know you get you give the energy uh in hopes to get the energy and then you

can and then you can give more so you're still trying to create that like symbiotic back and forth um and create create an atmosphere create a community right um but it's just much more personal you know it's not not silly yeah it's very personal i mean that's part of the what what future islands tries to do is write you know catchy songs with deep uh you know music that makes you move until you're at home alone and then you realize what's actually being said. And it just like caves in your chest. Yeah. You know, like that's the goal, you know, there's the hook and there's the meat, you know, it's like, uh, I always think about Danny Brown talk. There's this old interview of his, it's always stuck with me. And he's like, you know, when, when my dog was sick, when I was a kid, we would, you know, know put it put the medicine in a piece of cheese and that's what you have to do with the music you know

it's so you give him the you know for him he's like in that he's like you know you spit the pussy rap but you put the medicine in there you know you give a message you hook the people and then you give them a message and there's so much of that that it really resonates with me. You know, the dance moves are just a hook. You know, the performance, the performance is a reflection of the emotion and and the storytelling. But there's also a side of it that's that is the that is the hook. You know, there's also there's also a message within the movement the in the physicality like when i'm at hour you know one hour and 40 minutes into a show and it's the last second the last song and i'm still going there's a message in that right whether or not people recognize it's like i'm still going yeah you know i can do it

i'm like i i'm gonna push through my force of will my physicality through my pain um to to to give to you this message to and to show you that you can do it you know so there's there's there's levels and layers to the messaging which is all about that which is all about that like existing you know and like pushing through pain um and smiling on the other side, you know, that's what the breaks in between the songs are, you know, the song ends. And then we, we, we smile and we, we like have a moment of peace. And then we go into the next emotion. Cause that, that is also part of life is there are these big moments in our lives,

these big ups and these big downs, but there's a lot of just the simple times and the times with family, the times with friends, um, just tie in your shoes in the morning, you know? And, and,

and so I think, uh, I think it's important to reflect in between the songs as well. It's just like, there's a lot. I look at it in so many ways. I've been doing this the damn long. Yeah.

Same, man. Do you think the art of the front man is kind of like dying? Oh, yeah, definitely. I'm the same way. There's only a few real front men left. You know? You.

Yeah. It's crazy. I think of the guy, the dude from the idols too is amazing from oh yeah yeah joe joe's joe i don't know if i can share my stories but me and him have some crazy stories you know him him and dev from the band they booked our our first or second or both our first and second shows in bristol in like 2009 really yeah and and we stayed it me and joe a fucking night one night i'm not i'm not

gonna say because i don't know what he likes to share but we had a night i'll get him on the show too and we'll talk about it yeah yeah if he's okay to tell the story i don't give a shit i've already told you much worse stories but but suffice to say that night night, I sleptwalked out of his house and into a real estate agent's office and got woken up. This person was shaking me. I was barefoot in a real estate. And I was crying, like, I live back there. And we're just pointing to the back of the office. And they're like, no, you don't.

You don't live here. And I was like, yes, I do. And then I'm kind of coming to i'm like what what the fuck am i doing here did you get the guy out of the guy's like i think i know where you live and he took me out of the front door of this place around the corner and so joe's apartment at the time was above this estate agent's office in uh up a stairwell from the from the back of the building up a stairwell there were like three apartments so he leaves me at the back door and it's like i'm pretty sure this is where you live and then uh i didn't know which apartment it was because we rolled in late to the house so i just

started buzzing all three buzzers at the same time joe comes down and it's like what the fuck are you doing out here and i was like i don't know man and uh and yeah so i i went i slept for like two hours and then we woke up and went to the next show and i remember i had to walk in front of that estate agent's office to go to the the uh the the van and all the people just like shuddered thanks for having me so embarrassed i don't know i'm a big lyric guy and this is my favorite lyrical album you've made because how honest you are about depression and loneliness and stuff and you have before this is really honest bro this is like you feel like this is really honest for you as well this record yeah i mean i i recognize that even more because we just did uh you know we just did a

promo tour and we played the album front to back uh but you know once in new york and then twice in london and and uh in that format of just just playing the record front to back was yeah that stuff was hitting me hard fucking bad bro you know like. You know, like, that's the goal. You know, like, when I'm writing a song, if it makes me cry or feel, I'm like, this is a hit. Whether or not it will be is, you know, it doesn't matter. But that feeling, knowing that that creation

is creating the feeling shows me that there's an honesty to it. And it's like, you know that it's it there's an honesty to it and it's it's like you know it's it's hitting it's hitting me because it hurts and if it hurts then it's true and if it's true then it's going to connect you know so there's like there's like levels levels to it and you know i've i went from trying to be more poetic in the early days and then when we did our third album on the water at the time, I was really obsessed with this guy,

Boscombe Lamar Lunsford, who was like old, old folk singer from like, you know, the late 1800s, early 1900s, which was like teaching me about the birth of song, you know,

which was just like songs about life or songs about love songs about death and songs about like loving people so much you want to die. And I was like, that's kind of what we do and then and i was also like really just learning about daniel johnston and oh man amazing yeah the thing about him that was interesting was just the sometimes the plainness of his lyrics and the ability for him just to be like i love you and then just like you can't say that. I was just like listening to the song, like you can't say that. And then it's like, can you say that? Like when he says it, it, it's like, there's of course for him, you know, there's like the

naivete to it, but there's just like the honesty, the raw honesty of just saying the thing. So when we did on the water, I was really obsessed with like, how do you just say the thing so when we did on the water i was really obsessed with like how do you just say the thing you know how do you just say instead of trying to like wrap it up in some poetry yeah um or or you know just soften it or make it more lyrical or make it rhyme like why can't you just say what you feel and you know on that album there's a a particular song called where i found you that is very much exactly what i'm talking about you know on that album there's a a particular song called where i found you that is very much exactly what i'm talking about you know that the the break is just i love you and i still do you know i loved you and i still do you know like just to say that it's just like oh yeah it's like fuck like get to the point you know it's like we're like we're always try to we you know as artists you always try to like uh

doctor it up to this thing for the idea of poetry but really the things that hit home is when you just say exactly how the fuck you feel you know well you're also probably trying to i mean there's definitely a part of us that just try to cover up that vulnerability too right like you say that kind of stuff and you can't take it back. And somebody is going to tell you that you're, you're cliche or you're lazy writer. Um, or, you know,

like some people won't understand, but, but, but that, you know, you don't write for those people. Yeah. And,

and you gotta, you know, you have to write for yourself. You will, you will eventually write for those people. Those people are not ready to hear certain truths. Yeah. And one one day one day they will be going through something and they'll be like i get it now yeah you know i've i've found that through just making music for years with this band you know people that have come around to our music uh you know because they they go through a

thing that they can relate to you know i feel that it's important to just, like, write what I know and write it with honesty and truth and not try to sing about something I don't know. Exactly. Or make something up, you know. I've been playing recently with trying to work in fiction a little bit, and I might do some experiments, but it's something I've very rarely done. Yeah.

Because like you want to sing these songs every day and you feel like if you're writing them in fiction, sometimes you feel like, is this me? Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean,

but you can, but it's kind of, I'll still be, I'll still be me in there. Yeah. I'm trying to, I'm curious if I can like, yeah, create, still be i'll still be me in there yeah i'm trying to i'm curious if i can like yeah create

create in a way that leaves me less exposed to speak truths in a way right it it and you know and that's part of sorry we man i took us a long way because you asked me about like what's next in the art i mean for me i just want to make art you know it's the same thing i just want to be creating like i'm talking to a couple producers now um about thinking about new stuff and yeah um new projects like but i don't know you know i've kind of i'm kind of in a rut right now writing i haven't written anything in a while that has really jumped at me why do you think that is uh i think a lot of anxiety with everything else like you know i put out a rap record last year that i recorded i also recorded another record that'll

come out sometime this year last year i was like finished this i've finished people who aren't there anymore mixing last year it's just kind of like so much of the minutia, you know, mixing album art, uh, you know, press releases and all this kind of stuff. That's not the creation,

but you also, you know, you go up and down, you know, go through a, I won't write anything for three or four months. And then I, you know,

I know that a, a pop will happen around the corner. It's around the corner, I have to believe. Oh, totally. I mean, trusting yourself for 18 years, bro, you've been doing this. Like, it's like, yeah, we get a writer's block, but we're

going to get past it. It's like, I don't know. I think I agree with that because I can't start a new project unless I put the bow on it. With the mixing, with the album art, like, why am I making new project unless i put the bow on it with the mixing yeah with the album art like why am i making new art to like finish this other thing you know yeah no i felt i always feel i felt really cagey and anxious for a few months and it's and i have to remind myself like this happens every album release yeah you know yeah dude and it is like you feel you're you're dealing with all these old emotions, you know emotions that are two three four five years

Old and you're about to put out this record of songs are like two and three years old, right? And you're just like why am I not putting out music about what I'm going through right now, but that's not part That's not the thing, you know, so so you you start to get real cagey like I need to create more I need to do like I'm behind i'm not doing enough um and that that impetus is like important it's important to be like i'm not doing enough and have that ambition but also that ambition can be like paralyzing if you're not like no take a breath finish what you're doing you know don't start a new project before, you know, that will come together after your new record.

Yeah. Like just, just finish what you started and then, and then, uh, have a think, you know, and, and I have to remember to take a break. Like we were saying earlier, like, it's okay to say no, you have to like advocate for yourself in many different ways in life and just be like no you don't have to write today you ain't got to do shit you get to watch 90 day fiance and eat pepperoni pizza alone sam you're the fucking shit dude i mean your career your life and my life are very parallel with the sense of I'm a front man too. I'm always out there fucking doing it up. I'm running the whole

thing. I'm honored to know that I'm not the only person like this. I don't feel alone as much anymore knowing that there's guys like you out there fucking ripping it up. You are not alone, my friend. I'm with you. You're the man. Sam, you're the best. We should do this again, bro.

I feel like we just scratched the fucking surface. Yeah. I'll hit you up. I'll shoot you a message on Instagram. So you have my tune. I got one last. I'm so excited for the future. I mean, you're such a great dude.

I like to end the podcast always with, when it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? I want to be remembered as a great, great performer. Fuck yeah. Dude, that's the shit. Me too, bro. What's that famous clown's name?

There's like Pagliacci. I don't want you to be looking in the mirror crying while you take off the crown. Sam, thanks for being on the show, bro. You're a goat, man. It's a breath of fresh air that there's still real

front men out there. So thanks for being here, bro. Thank you so much, brother. I really appreciate it. We'll do it again. Let's do it. Cheers, Sam. Have a great one, buddy. Later. You tuned in to the World's Saved Podcast with Andy Fresco. Thank you for listening to this episode produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Angelo

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