Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 266: Ryan Miller (Guster)

Episode Date: April 16, 2024

Andy's joined by long time friend/lover, Dolav Cohen for another manic episode of sports yelling, and yet another blast from the past in the form of his old buddy/new bass fill-in Nick Chamian of Colorvision!  "Everybody's talking in their sleep; They push a lot of air around, but don't say much of anything. Except when they're laughing like some ghosts under a sheet; Everybody's talking in their sleep." On the Interview Hour this week, we got Ryan Miller, famously of Guster but also well versed in a myriad other forms of expression. Just a real good dude with an incredible sense of lyricism. Listen now to hear him and Andy pushing lots of air around! Take care and check in on your friends. We love you And guess what... You can watch the full episodes Exclusively on Volume.com now in color!  Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker

Hello everybody, welcome to Sports with Dolav. He's talking shit about the game. He's got a weird fucking name. It's Sports with Dolav. This week we're talking NBA Fantasy League Championship. Let's go baby. Holy shit. We have the championship.

It happened. It's over And guess what? I'm a fucking champ And Andy's a fucking champ Double championship by the OG Bros He got the Degenerates League Beat the homie Tony by.004 field goal percentage

Wow, that came down to the wire. One shot to make. One shot to make. But he pulled it out. Mad respect. Sorry, Tony G, I love you. But I beat motherfucking Jack Brown, bitch ass, by two points! You fucking made it to the championships, but you fucking lost like a little bitch.

And fuck you. Fuck all of you. All the jam banders. Fuck you, Jack Brown! Fuck your band. Now your band's dope. But fuck you! Fuck all of you! All the jam-band nerds! Fuck you, Jack Brown! Fuck your band! Now your band's dope. But fuck you! I own you, motherfucker!

Utah Jazz! It's Sports with Doloff! Frasco, you little bitch! Pay your fucking league dues, bitch! Wee-wee! Pay your fucking league dues, bitch. Woo-hoo! No, it's for syncing.

One, two, three. Sync that shit. And we're live. Andy Frasco's World's Saved Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. How's our heads? How's our minds? Are we staying out of trouble? Are we not letting the new guy not get a little bit of hazing? Let's fucking go.

We got Nick Chamian. Our bass player. Fill him in. Happy to be here. Happy to be filling in. Nick Chamian. We're in Portland. Day two.

So Nick, if you guys don't know, Floyd is taking care of some family business. And we have Nick, my brother. I've known this man Since middle school It's crazy that that's like 20 years at this point It's been 20 years It's like a weird number You've known me as long as Dolov has known me Oh yeah

I mean you've seen me when I was a fucking wild dog Yeah, yeah, yeah I mean you act like you aren't a wild dog anymore. Although you are less wild now. Being on the road with you and seeing you kind of in your hibernation mode and it's like you save it for the two hours on stage.

So in that way, you've matured a bit. You've learned to zen out. That's my take on it. I remember when you first did Winter Wondergrass with us a couple weeks ago. You're like, I remember. I thought you'd be way crazier. Yeah, well, I did some shows with you guys like

12 years ago. Right. And I have zero recollection of like playing any songs. Yeah, no. And I just remember What would you remember? Jameson getting poured in everyone's mouths. We matured. Let's go.

It took 20 years, buddy. But we did it. We fucking did it. Man, the old times. The old times were special. People who don't know, Nick was the first one in our friend group to actually was the musician

virtuoso. let's be honest well i'll take that i feel like i've still got a lot every time you call me for a bass solo i feel like i don't know what the fuck i'm doing so i will take virtuoso from you though no because you were the first guy you were that when we when you worked at that guitar shop in the valley guitar merchant shout out to guitar merchant um who i just found out My boss used to sell you weed Yeah He did What the fuck And he got me into smoking Marlboro Lights

He was the first one to ever give me a cigarette Oh yeah That motherfucker still smokes too He's like deaf in one ear And he's got vertigo And he's still out there Shout out to Phil Guitar Merchant

Love that man In the valley He's the best But no It was a fun time And I was You know I was a wild dog

You know I was like a little hooker You know I was hooking up all the time. With your, with your straight hair. Oh yeah, straight. My mom, I had to, I was so insecure about my Afro. So I made my mom chemically straight my hair, you know, every couple weeks.

But it's actually, it's expensive. It's like 200 bucks to chemically straight in my mom's. And she's like, you, you fucking idiot. Like you have curly hair. It's going to just get curly when it grows. You can't wash it. No, I'd wear a hat. Oh yeah.

You had that beanie with the bill. That was the look. Yeah, you used to write like straight up emo songs. I was an emo kid. You were an emo kid. You were playing piano. And I remember back in the day the girl on Maury.

Dude, Ally Ramone showed up to our show at Winter Wondergrass. Oh, like a couple weeks ago. Three days ago. Wow. Because we did it again in Tahoe. Wow. Which was a fucking blast. Shout out to Tahoe. That was fucking fun. That was fun as fuck. Yeah, Winter Wondergrass is great.

We did Wondergrass in Steamboat. And that was sick as fuck. That Winter Wondergrass is great He did Wondergrass in Steamboat And that was sick as fuck That's when Paul Cawthon Oh man, what a set When he played in a snowstorm Punched the doors down when I was in catering He's like, Andy, here's some cocaine In front of everybody

And then they proceeded to play Pink Floyd In a fucking blizzard Yeah, it was a blizzard And then after a set, he's all pumped up on adrenaline I was just in catering, minding my own business I just hear a fucking blizzard. Yeah, it was a blizzard. And then after his set, he's all pumped up on adrenaline. I was just in catering, minding my own business. I just hear a fucking smash in the door. It's Paul Coth, and he's like, Frasco, it's

go time. Those fucking cantina doors swung open. Boom! When Paul Coth, and obviously cocaine, he's got to do it. You can't say no to that guy. He fed me some mushrooms, and I mean. Remember he was dipping, he was putting Molly. He was like dipping Molly and like putting his finger in everyone's mouth.

I didn't partake in that. I did see that though. I did see that. He's the last living rock star. He really goes hard. He's the real deal. I'm like, he is the real deal. But back to, you know, when we were kids,

because I feel like I want to have you on because it's like nostalgia week. We have Ryan Miller from Guster on the show this week. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. He was great. That was a great interview. You're going to love this interview. But I was thinking about that.

I was like, fuck. What was I like when I was listening to Guster when I was in high school? Because I remember because before I was a musician, I was booking bands. And I was booking your first band, A.M. Trash. A.M. Trash at the Cobalt. Yeah. And you, yeah,

you were always booking. What was it? Uh, you, well, you worked at drive through records, but what was the name of the promotions company? Lifeline Promotions.

Lifeline Promotions with the little, with the little lifeline. That was when like bands made flyers. Yeah. And I'd go to every town or every high school. Cause there was like 5,000 people each high school school and I would put a fly on everyone's cars. Right, that shit worked too. It worked.

I loved that. That was so fun. Like bluegrass marketing or is it bluegrass marketing? Grassroots. Grassroots. Bluegrass. But it was crazy because I've always wanted to be a musician. I'd always like idolized you, always idolized you and Alex Siegel.

Alex Siegel is a great musician. Siegel's a shredder. Well, I stole your band, me and Scott Goldbaum. Oh, yeah. I was kind of pissed. We stole Matt Tuggle and Mike Mosselman from you. Then we stopped talking for a second. Yeah.

It's one of those things that's such a blur. But then that was when Ernie joined the band Literally like right after that And that was when things shifted So Ernie brought that new Cause Matt Romero was like Playing bass for a moment All these names of people that nobody knows

This is high school So we graduated high school I went to college for a semester And I quit cause I had this epiphany because, oh, this is a great story. So Holly Bowling, you know her? I don't think so. You don't know, you're not in the jam scene. Holly Bowling is this piano player. Her dad, or her husband, was

my philosophy teacher. Oh, wow, okay. And I didn't have a piano lesson yet. The only piano lesson I had was from Dana Zagaya, our friend from middle school. Shout out to DZ. Shout out to DZ. He's the one who edits all the videos, guys. ferris bueller uh one that we cut and the the one where i'm in michael jordan's last dance yada yada but so i'm like i'm like i'll just be a teacher because i was like i was kind of over the music scene and i go to san francisco state to study philosophy and my philosophy teacher

uh jeff bowling's like why don't you get a lesson from my wife, who is Holly Bowling, who's in Green Sky, Blue Grash. She was like a big part of the scene. And I didn't know that. We weren't listening to fucking jam music. Were you listening to jam music in high school? We didn't know anything about the Grateful Dead. We're from LA. We were listening to fucking rock and roll, like Red Hot Chili Peppers and Incubus. That was it. Those were the bands. Absolutely. rock and roll, like Red Hot Chili Peppers and Incubus. That was it. Those were the bands.

Absolutely. It's so funny how LA just sticks with SoCal music. It does. It's crazy going out with you and playing and getting exposed to these different cities and these different markets and seeing what people like. And people are just way more

down for everything. They're down to let loose. It's like it makes you kind of like bummed that you should have got out of fucking California and started touring everywhere else. Maybe your other bands would have made it. That was the thing. That was what everyone always said about you

was like, Frasco's out there. He's fucking doing it. You know? I went straight to Kansas, baby. Yep. Shout out. Shout out to Kansas.

Shout out to Dolov. Shout out to Dolov. Yeah. He was a first time I ever got arrested. It was at, with Dolov. At the university of Kansas. Kansas state.

Manhattan, Kansas. Yeah. Um, but I was saying, so, so I got a lesson from Holly and she teach you. She taught me a blues, a blues,

a blues, a little blue scale, like a pentatonic lick. And I'm like, holy shit, I think I could do this. And I've had one lesson. I'm so, you know how cocky and confident I was. So that one lesson made me quit. That shaped the band. It shaped the band. Yeah.

So Jeff and Holly said, you should just quit and just do this. Wow. So I quit. I called Mike Mus just quit and just do this. Wow. So I quit. I called Mike Musselman and I called Matt Tuggle. Matt Tuggle now is like a huge engineer. Who is he? He works for Greg Kirsten, who's a massive producer. And they just did it.

Foo Fighters, Adele, Paul McCartney. Yeah. So he's working at the old Jim Henson studio. Yeah. He's working at Henson. He's all over. He's killing it. I called Matt and Mike.

I'm like, yo, be in my band. And I think they didn't want to really deal with the beginning of a tour. And then you stole them from me. Right. And we just played the valley. And you just played the valley. We shredded apart around the valley. I'm like, god damn it, Mike.

Yeah. I think about that. But I don't think me and Mike would ever be able to be in a band. I think things always have a way of coming full circle especially like being here yeah with you you know yeah now like like 20 years later at danny's wedding yeah i can shout out to dz yeah we were at danny's wedding and he was like and nick was like i am gonna be in your band that was like you fucking cornered me bro i did i did and And I was high on like Molly and Coke,

this liquid cocaine that was going around. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I remember liquid cocaine. I love that. Like, yeah, there's like liquid ketamine at a wedding. Everything's too easy now. I know dude.

Drugs are pretty amazing. Everything's pineapple flavored and you can just put it in your pocket. You know? Yeah. It's too easy. It's too easy it's too easy but i was like really like jacked up on the liquid cocaine oh really and uh you were maintaining well you were relatively calm well you know i've been doing this for a long time okay

15 years in this fucking bender right um and you cord me you know i just remember just sweating i'm just sweating we're listening listening to a fucking Israeli pop song because all the homies were Israeli. Lit wedding, for sure. I'm going to be in your band. I'm like, okay, bro. I thought we were just drunk talking. You hit me up every day for two weeks. I did. I was

telling my wife, I was like, I'm going to take a cue from the Frasco playbook because I'm going to just kind of nudge, just gently, gently nudge, and then you call me one day. I said, do you want to be in the band? And here we are. And now we're here, baby. Fucking A. Don't call

the company. No, you're in our band now. I'm honored to be here. When Floyd plays bass, you'll just play miscellaneous. Yeah, well, I'm just happy to be here helping out. Do you think you can handle it? Now it's two days on the tour bus. Do you think we're wild dogs? Do I think you're

yes. You guys are fucking insane. You're insane. The best thing about the tour bus is the bar never closes. The bar never closes, but you got your own bunk. So anytime you want to go home, you just button up

and you're in there. It's just button up and you're in there. So it's its own little microcosm in there. But no, it's a beautiful thing. And getting to play and getting to connect with people and getting to jam with you and jam with the band who I've known so long. I've known Ernie just as long as you. 20 years. It's an honor and a gift and a pleasure. And we're just going to keep doing it.

Yes. And this is like us mellowed out. We used to be crazier. Oh, I remember. Yeah, yeah. You asked me 12 years ago. You were like, so do you want to do it? And I was like, I don't know if I can.

I can't keep up. But again, it's just one of those things. It all falls into place, man. Yeah, I love it. Love it. I hope you're having fun out here. Oh, we're having a fucking great time. Yeah. I want to have like one blackout

night with you. We'll do it. Let's do it in... We could do it here in Portland, but I think we should do it closer. Like if we did it in Boise, because it's a four-hour drive. Oh, sure. Or with the Mormons. I'm down to do it with the Mormons, but I think Gonzo wants to drive straight to Denver.

We're finally coming home, guys. Jesus Christ. I'm home for two with the Mormons, but I think Gonzo wants to drive straight to Denver. Oh, he wants to. We're finally coming home, guys. Jesus Christ. I'm home for two days. I got like five interviews. I'm interviewing Gavin Rosdale. Oh, shit. The legend. Dude, he's so hot.

Yeah. He's a hot man. Dude, he's hot as fuck. He's got a story to tell, too. Oh, yeah, dude. And I know you're going to get deep. He used to fuck Gwen Stefani. Yeah.

I want to know all about it. And then he like ditched her for the babysitter. Really? Oh yeah. It's a whole thing. What? You got some research to do, bro.

Oh, I got some research. Oh, fuck. I forgot. That took him four days. Don't quote me on it. No, no, no. I got to. Okay.

Hey, Nick, if you're listening to this, I need some research on Gavin Rosdell because all I know is glycerine. Glycerine. What are you doing, Tim?

Yeah, let's have a blackout night. Maybe tonight. Let's see what goes on. I'm game for all of it. Okay, cool. Anything you need to know about the band? This is your time. I could ask you if you need... Are you worried about the... Are you worried that we're going to put

you up there to crowd surf or anything you don't want to do? No, no. What if I put a fat line of cocaine on stage? Will you rip it? I probably won't do cocaine. You've never done cocaine. No, I've never done cocaine. It hasn't been...

It's not something I... I don't know. Anything else, everything else, I'm game. Okay, cool. So I'm game to trip balls. I'm game to rage. I think the crazy thing about the band, people should know when a new

member enters, we don't rehearse. There's not like, we're going to go to a rehearsal studio. We're going to work it out. I've played three shows up to this point and that's it. Those have been my three rehearsals. No questions, man. I'm just like... You got to be good in this band.

You just got to know your shit. I'm just like, you know, you gotta be good in this band. Yeah. You just gotta know your shit. And I'm like, I don't have a set list. So it's like, I'm throwing curveballs at you every fucking night. Yeah, but we're doing it. It's honestly so fun. Do you like it? Yeah. Every night is, who knows what it's gonna be and it's amazing. Because you're in a band with

Chris Mintz, McLovin. Yep. Chris Mintz and Ryan Dean. Yeah. And Color Vision. And is that and Ryan Dean. Yeah. Color Vision. Color Vision. And is that mostly like sets? Yeah. Well, so that band's a whole other story of just like going through other members and shit. But yeah, we write, we like really write and Mintz and I are singing now, which is like, we're both singing lead. So yeah, very rehearsed. Completely different than this.

rehearsed completely different than this. Does it get all flustered when they're like, your color vision. Then it says in parentheses, McLovin's band. When we were younger, that was a big thing. Chris and I have played together since we were 17

years old. We would roll out to a show. Oh yeah, and Chris and Ryan play with Ben Queller now, and they're fucking crushing it as the rhythm section. But it was weird. But, you know, I think we've learned how to talk to venues now and make sure that that shit doesn't happen.

And also, you know, Chris is, I think he's come to terms with like, you know, how iconic he is. I mean, Superbad was a fucking legendary movie. It's legendary. It is legendary. And how he got it. We were all in high school. You were juniors when you got it, right? Yeah. I remember senior year.

Third Danny Zagair shout out. He's the one. Danny's responsible for so much. A lot of shit, dude. I'm learning, yeah. Danny Zagair was auditioning to be McLovin, right? Or what was the story? He got some casting call. We're standing outside the Cobalt Cafe, this old venue

we all used to play. I used to book you there. Yep. And Danny was like, I just shot this thing on my phone. Chris, you should do it too. We should all do it. And he just fucking got it. Open casting call. That's fucking awesome. And the rest is history. Let's go. Shout out to Chris Mintz.

Love that bit. Even though I was salt, I used to call you a bitch, Chris. You'll probably listen to this because Chammy was on. I used to call that fool a bitch. Why? I just think we were just... Self-executive Lakers? Yeah, he always repped Boston. He knew how to fucking get under my nerves. He's a professional

shit talker. He's a pest. He's a self-proclaimed pest. He's really good at it. He's like the Patrick Beverly of... You don't know who that is. Who's Patrick Beverly? He's just a pest in NBA. Oh, yeah.

It's been crazy. I'm just so thankful. It's been a crazy... What's the craziest thing you remember about me? What moment? Do you remember a moment? Maybe it showed my Rolex. Yeah, there was a thing at your house.

There was actually the craziest thing was the big mushroom trip at your house. When we were 18. We were all so young. Word to the wise. Mushrooms, they're powerful. And the idea of so young. Word to the wise. Word to the wise. Mushrooms, they're powerful. And, you know, the idea of getting 15 dudes in an

empty house all eating mushrooms seems really fun until you realize that some people are... Yeah, that was a wild night. I thought it was a bunch of people doing mushrooms and then you and Mike Mossman ate an edible. Me and Taylor Messersmith. Taylor Messersmith.

And we were worthless. And you were worthless. We were worthless. These are our chaperones. This guy ate like a 25 milligram edible. We'll be here. We'll watch over you guys. Meanwhile, you know.

It was fun land. Hunter was pissing in the stream. I know. He shat himself. No, he did not. He shat himself. I walked in. He shat himself, and he saw in his eyes.

Like he just did something. Like I was like his parent. I don't know if that's true, Hunter. I was there, Hunter. Wow. and he saw in his eyes. Like he just did something. Like I was like his parent. I don't know if that's true, Hunter. I was there, Hunter. I was there. We'll see. It was amazing. But he cleaned it up and shit.

Wow. But he was in the bathroom. Oh, okay. So he shat in the bathroom. He's good. Yeah. It was fucking. Yeah, that was wild.

That was a fucking fairy tale moment. That was wild. That's the only time I've tripped. I remember I was like, I came through or came to of me just conducting the grass and like the grass was the first time I ever like really hallucinated. I don't really hallucinate.

You got to eat more. I know, but I don't want to do that. Right, right. Yeah. I take enough to just for the medical purposes of mushrooms. I don't do it to trip. You kind of come full circle with it. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you don't know. Like my fans give us, don't know. My fans give me mushrooms every night. Every night? It's crazy.

All forms, too. All forms. Pills and mushrooms. It's pretty fun. But yeah, that was a nice moment. Yeah, that was fun. So that was a pretty crazy one. I remember when... You probably don't remember this. We were all pantsing each other

And you pantsed me and you got my boxers Did I pants you? I don't remember that No it was El Camino 9th grade Oh my god I was a little shit I was a real shithead But you got my boxers And my little ass dick

And I remember Lauren Zabo She Oh, she was so artsy and so hot. She saw my little dick and it was over. It was over. Well, let's just end with this. I apologize for that. Yeah, let's go. I apologize. Let's go.

We're back, baby. We're after 20 years. We're out here. We're ready to rock. We're gonna rock. We're about to soundcheck. We're about to soundcheck. We're about to rock. We're out here. We're ready to rock. We're about to soundcheck. We're about to rock Portland. We got Ryan Miller from Guster on the show. Guster, baby. Fucking legends. Oh, Jesus. This guy has a great story.

This guy's a fucking hustler, dude. He composes. He has a TV show. He's killing it right now. He still has his band. You're going to love this one. Also a couple of dates that I want to talk about. So I'm taking two days off. Well, Tuesday when this comes out, I'll already be in Denver. So if you guys want to hang out in Denver, I'm in town till Wednesday. Then Thursday and Friday, I'll be in Nashville finishing my record.

I got two more songs I got to write with Chris Gelbuta. Can't wait for that. And then we fly to 420 Fest, baby. We just sold it out. It's sold out. Y'all don't stop. Let's go. So 420 Fest in Atlanta.

And then we start our Southeast run with Dogs in a Pile. We're going to Georgia. We're going to Savannah. We're going to Athens. Then we're going to Florida. We got like seven dates in Florida. It's a two-week tour. Grab your tickets. A lot of the shows are

close to sold out. Tampa, I just found out, Tampa Bay is sold out. So thank you, Tampa Bay. Let's go. We love you, Tampa. We're worried about Florida. We're like, fuck, no one's going to show up to our floor because we don't go to Florida like the West goes. But I'm very surprised with the turnouts.

The only thing that needs a little help is Miami. So I know we don't play Cuban music from Miami, but come on out and have a great time. All right, guys, I love you. Stay inspired. Stay happy. Do you want to give the people some motivation for the week? How are they going to have a great week this week, Nick?

Motivation for the week, man. Yeah. I mean, just trust your instincts, people. And, you know, don't stress if your day ain't going your way, to quote a song, a fresco tune.

You've been doing your homework. Yeah, I've been doing my homework. Just keep on keeping on. That's it. I love you, Nick. You are making my day. You be on this tour. And it just reminds me of home.

I've been away from home so much, but LA is still in my heart because I rep LA all the time. Go Dodgers. And go Lakers. But the Lakers are... They had a chance. They should have been.

They should have been. It's playoffs next week, people. I think Denver's going to take it. It's great that I live in Denver because that team is kicking ass. And they're fun to watch. So I might go to some playoffs games. But hopefully the Lakers play the Nuggets in the first round. They probably will because we're so bad.

And we got to get through the play around. But okay. Anyway, let's talk later. Enjoy, Ryan. And I'll catch you next week. Next week, I'm back with Nick, baby. Nick is finally back in my arms. We're going to do like an hour and a half.

I haven't talked to Nick in a month. And I have a lot of tea to spill to him. I just found out how much my fucking tax bill was. Jesus Christ. Ridiculous. I've been crying for two days. Yeah, it's been rough over here. It's been rough over there. And then I'm having some issues with my manager.

I'll spill the tea next week, guys. All right, guys. I love you. Enjoy the ride. Let's fucking go. Peace. Alright. Sorry about that. I forgot. Having so much fun with my buddy Nick that I forgot to talk about our sponsor. Volume.com. Yes. Our people.

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and put you underneath Maybe I'm wrong and all that you get is what you see Maybe I'm right and there's something out there to believe Everybody's talking in their sleep They push a lot of air around But don't say much of anything Except when they're laughing Like some ghost under a sheet Everybody's talking in their sleep

Pink. Too late. Too late now. This is just an audio podcast, right? It's video, but don't worry about it. Okay, cool. That's what I hope for. I'm red. I'm pink. How's it going out there, bro? I'm good. Where are you? I live in Denver. Where about you? I live in Vermont. We're like sister cities.

Not really, but... Actually, I heard a thing that the downtowns, Boulder and Burlington, have like the same... They're designed by the same person. Oh, that jerk ass that made the walking streets. Fucking A, yeah. What is that walking street in Boulder called?

Pearl Street. Pearl Street. Yeah, we got the same shit here. It's called Church Street. How do you like living in Burlington? I mean, I live like 10 minutes outside. We live in the woods. I pick up my computer, but it's pretty dope.

I've been here almost 14 years. My wife's from here. We were in New York City for 10 years and had kids, and she was like, we out. And I said, okay. Yeah, it was a tough transition. I do a lot of shit. I do a lot of shit. I make a lot of stuff.

And coming here was like whiplash creatively, trying to find my people, trying to find all the weirdos. But I've been here long enough, and now I really like it. My kids are in middle school and high school, and my wife's politics. And so it's like, we're really, we're pretty dug in here. Um, it's winter's long, too long, but I travel a lot. Same as you, you know, um, it's a great place to raise kids. Great community, really beautiful people. Really, really easy. Like, yeah, we just,

we just, I'll stop talking the second, but we were in New York this last week with my kids for their winter break. And, um, I was like, this is so fucking fun. You know, telling my kids, I was like, think of any food you want and we can probably get it in 15 minutes like that kind of fun. But then coming here and just being like, Oh, right. Like you need a minute, you know, I don't know. Do you, do you live in town? Yeah. I'm the same way. I'm from Los Angeles and now I live in LA. I don't know. I'm you live in town yeah i'm the same way i'm from los angeles and now i live in la i don't know i'm now i live in denver so the transition i used to live in

brooklyn so like can't get everything you want and if you want good food at 2 a.m or whatever it is it's not instant anymore how do you like slow your brain down like with that same philosophy how do you slow your brain down to make sure that you could still get everything done? Like all the things, creativity, your, your resume is insane,

bro. Animator, film score, you know, you're in a band. Like, how do you get through the writer's block through loneliness of moving to a new city to keep the work progression?

Well, the work probably is a lot easier here because there's kind of less distractions. And I would say like all my side hustle shit came pretty much right when I moved. That's when I started scoring films. And ever since then, I don't even know what you got, but I just saw the first cut of a movie I started. I got a musical that's about to go. Big theater in New York in the fall, I think, hopefully. And so I think that was my work kind of came. All that shit happened just because I got here. And I was like, I got to keep moving. And I got to make shit. I wasn't getting all the adrenaline from just going out six nights a week

and seeing great music and great films and meeting interesting people. So I was like, I got to make stuff with people. I got to find collaborators i want to work with directors and songwriters and you know all that kind of shit so it probably was better for the work for me to get out here was it was way worse for my social life but um now it's like again like especially with like the pandemic, you can do everything now. You know everybody's leaving. Creative people are leaving New York and LA and going to places

like Vermont and the Cape of Massachusetts in the woods because it's like, oh, we can just do this. I don't got to drive to Santa Monica to do this podcast with you like I would have had to probably four years ago. Right, exactly. I think that's the beauty of what the pandemic brought

is we feel a little more connected through the internet waves that we could do shit like this and not have to leave our houses anymore. It kind of scares me because going through live music, do you see ticket sales dropping a hair because

people don't want to leave their houses anymore on a tuesday or like what's your take on that it's weird it's i don't really have my finger on the pulse of like what it is out there a little bit i mean i feel like live music still doing well our career is real weird because like we're kind of a like we don't really go through album cycles and it depends. This tour we're about to start on Wednesday, it's just like we also have eras where it's chronological. We're doing this whole play overlay with props and costumes and video and all this shit,

and people are stoked about that. That's the most tickets we've sold in years, I think mostly because people are just like, there's a, there's a what the fuckness about it. Right. But I do think that, and also like the pandemic really changed live music.

I mean, I had heard sort of, I'm friends with a lot of promoters probably saying, you know, haven't done this a million years. Like, you know, I had heard anecdotally,

like the bands that really came out of the pandemic stronger were like, more like legacy bands where it was like comfort food. People weren't going to be like, oh, I'm going to go risk it on this cool Spotify track band that I heard, but they're going to be like, oh shit, I know Frasco's albums. I got a tattoo. This is what I need for my soul.

In a way, I feel like the pandemic kind of solidified that in a way but yeah i don't it's it's hard to know i feel like the live music business is still doing okay yeah as far as i can tell i don't know i could be wrong about it though how does your band how do you how does your band approach you working on all this other thing besides the band do they get jealous did you have all this other stuff in your life no it's cool is that we kind of all have pretty intense hustles at this point like you know i'm i'm 51 right we started the band in a dorm room in 1990 1991 i mean i've been doing this for like over three decades, like well over three decades. So, you know, at a certain point we were like, you know, we were just in a van and on a bus for,

for years, just nonstop. And I think when we started having kids, it was like, okay, we don't need to be in Guster like 11 months a year. Like what if we're in Guster six months a year? And that includes writing, touring, recording um and then that's when like one of the dudes i don't know you may even know he started a non-profit called reverb that started greening like that's a dude in our band he and his wife started that like 20 years ago and they have like a full-time staff you know he's testifying in front of congress he's like i gotta he's in where is he today he's in like columbia with like the president of columbia for sustainable wood you know so like he kind of started this shit early and i was like well fuck i gotta go do something i want to look like a chump and then luke in our band like he's

he's producing this michelle brandtrucker he's a studio he's working all the time in la and just a total studio dude and and um so we it's pretty supportive though i mean i think it's all like and everything kind of brings everything in you know like all my weird side hustle shit uh it all speaks to i bring it into the band like i bring my film scoring chops and this whole thing we're doing we're doing this Broadway, like this theater thing. It's because I've been working on all this Broadway stuff. Awesome. Luke and I were just, I was at Luke's house like 20 minutes ago. Like he was, he's like, we had to match a sound on a keyboard.

And I was just like, oh, this is like a fifth oscillator. We got to drop this down. I was like, man, I'm so glad you know how to do this shit. And it's just because he's a studio rat. So like, it's real cool i mean that's a deep so you guys still love each other with this thing yeah have you been in the band with the same people like yeah we're at we're going on uh 15 years so 200 i mean yeah once you they're 15 30 i mean it really honestly you get to like probably over six and you get all

you see everything right you see at the worst the best you have to have the harshest conversations yeah don't get me wrong you eat mushrooms with them at three in the morning after a weird bluegrass gig you know what i mean like you've been through it so like we we figured you know it's it's a pretty magical thing to get to do what we get to do i don't know if like i'm off twitter but i follow follow Jason Isbell on Threads. He did this really nice thing yesterday where he's like something that he thinks, like, I'm feeling really

fragile right now, but I'm overwhelmed by the way that our audience just embraces us. I'm so filled with gratitude. I was just like, it was such a beautiful sentiment. I reposted it. I was like, this is it, man. It's just gratitude to be able to go out there and go on a tour and just like, it was such a beautiful sentiment. I kind of reposted it. I was like, this is it, man. Like, it's just gratitude to be able to go out there and go on a tour and be like, all

right, everybody, we're going to put on a play. We're going to play our song. And like, people are stoked. And they're going to be stoked because we put a lot of heart and work into it. Like, so much gratitude around just being able to do this shit every day, you know? So like, you were asking about live music but man like you people ask you about like hey man you got any advice for lung young bands like what do you even tell them you know i think like what do you even say just be with a

group of people you like because this shit is hard right that's good advice i never give that one i steal that too you too That's true actually I mean like yeah Like how many times Have you guys wanted to kill each other I've only wanted to kill my band A few times And I'm thankful

That I only had to do that You know It's funny We like Like I said We were rehearsing this thing And we're building this kind of like Narrative structure

Around this Chronological thing So we're We're acting And we're doing shit We've never done And it's been really hard Because we're, we're acting and we're doing shit we've never done. And it's been really hard because we're really outside our comfort zone in a lot of ways,

like remembering lines and blocking and all this shit. And we had kind of a moment where like a couple of weeks ago when we were rehearsing and it was like, people were being aggressive, passive aggressive, aggressive, and it was starting to spin out where, you know,

the darkness is coming in. And then it was like, we all just use this weird ass therapy talk which like i hear what you're saying and i acknowledge that but also i want to say this and i was like and then at the end i was like fuck man like did it work i was ready to walk out of the room and just be like fuck it i'll get over in like hours. And we just like had all this like therapy talk where we, you know, we see other people and we say our truth or whatever. And then we say it and we give it a minute and then we hug. And then we just kept working.

I'm like, well, that's pretty fucking cool. You know what I mean? That we can be adults and like process this shit, like grown ass men. You know what I mean? Think about if you had to do the play like earlier in your career yeah i mean you guys would exactly i mean i don't even know what we

would even talk about now it's like we gotta do it what if what else we're gonna do it's like go on tour for the 7 000 times like here's satellite by gustar you know yeah you gotta fuck things up yeah exactly like so who was uh whose idea was it to do this play was it your idea no honestly it's funny like this is usually my shit i'm like guys i got a crazy idea but i think it was like well i'm a really big thing i don't know how long we'll talk but i'm like really big on storytelling like i think that everything in the world the way that like the clothes we wear the car we drive the woman we the person we marry like the music we listen to it's all like story driven like this is it tells a story and so i've

just like it's a really big part of our band and everything i do is like well what's the story like you got to compel people to come back to a show like why am i going so even i was i'm just like really like the flaming lips do a great, like they have a crazy show, but then there'll be like, Oh, we're going to do Yoshimi. We're going to do soft bulletin. And like, you give people a reason to show up. So I was really bullish. I was like, we got to have a story. We got to have like something to reunify everybody. And Brian was like, Taylor Swift just did eras. Why don't we do an Eras tour? And I was like, oh, fuck. And then I got involved with all this Broadway shit,

and I had just seen a cabaret. Do you know what a cabaret is? Yeah, I loved it. See, I don't know anything about it, but I saw my friend from work do this cabaret, and she sang all these songs and told the story of her life. And I was like, dude, we are so well suited to this. Because we're great storytellers.

We have something to say. So I think it was mostly a drummer's idea. But it was sort of like, I was like, we got to have a script. We got to have props and costumes. We got to intersperse it. So it was really a pretty collaborative, more collaborative than most of these things where we really came together in this cool way.

And it's really weird. I don't know people that are going to show up and be like, why are you guys talking? Why are you learning lines? We just want to get stoned and listen to music. It was December 2002 when the boys... It is. I love that.

It is. We start in the dorm room and shit. I fucking love that. Yeah, it's cool. It's real cool. It is. I love that. It is restarting like the dorm room and shit. I fucking love that. Yeah, it's cool. It's real cool. It's a weird, and we've done weirder shit.

Like we did an improv comedy tour once with this improv comedian that was like, there was no, there was no comp for it. Like this friend of ours came out and we just kind of like,

we would make up songs and they would go away and we would play songs and we'd make up some more and it was right, we were right in the middle of that tour when the pandemic hit and kind of like, we would make up songs and they would go away. We would play songs and we'd make up some more. And it was right, we were right in the middle of that tour when the pandemic hit. And it was like, it was real weird too. Was that at Red Rocks? No, that wasn't at Red Rocks.

That was like real small. We were trying that in smaller venues. Yeah. Did we even do it in Colorado? I think we did it. Oh, we had like the worst show ever. Oh, that was in Tahoe. But it was like, we did it like the Aspen.

There's some cool Aspen. Oh, yeah, Belly Up. Belly Up or something. It was OK there. But it was starting to get to the East Coast when the pandemic hit. But I just like the idea of challenging things and trying to be like, I kind of feel I'm not too familiar with your band and stuff. But I was psyched to talk to you because I just know from my friends here

it's kind of a be-in. It's a whole thing. It's about, it's not so much like, look at me, but it's a feeling about something. That's not what I need every time, but I really respect it. I like that

kind of coloring outside the lines a little bit and making people feel special where they leave feeling better than they did when they walked in. What's your take about that? Do you feel like music has become less entertaining because people don't really want... Like the art of the front man, I'm trying to say. There's not a lot of front man out there

kind of really trying to bring it anymore. do you think about that oh that's interesting i guess that that's true it's like i'm trying to think of like maybe not i mean maybe not men but the women are like yeah they're badass i'm talking about like if you think about like the the phoebes and yeah like our manager works with lucy dacus so i kind of know about this whole boy genius thing and he was a whiskey too but like uh but also like father john misty was like i think the king of charisma in a lot of ways you are like bro uh well thanks it's a different thing like mine is like mine trades on very fourth wall. Like this is literally what I mean, what I, you know, this is who I am. I'm talking to you the same way I would talk into a microphone.

But yeah, there's very few people that I'm like, when I see them on stage, I'm like, oh fuck, they got it. Like that, the confidence where they can just be like, and it feels authentic and it doesn't feel put on. And honestly, I think that a lot of that just comes with time just cause you, you know, you're just, you're the older you get, the more you're like, Hey man, this is it. This is what I got. And if this isn't for you, that's totally cool, but I'm not going to do the thing that,

you know what I mean? I'm not going to, Hey, how you doing tonight? Tuscaloosa. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. There's, there's, I don't know know i'm not there's a lot of shit that i kind of get i'd have to poke through but i'm not as down on it like there's people that i'm like oh i really want to meet that dude or i'm i'm into that guy right but maybe the showmanship compartment component like i don't know maybe not the bluegrass festival you know what i mean i crowd served that bitch dude i did not care winter wondergrass and steamboat we did it with paul coffin sierra feral and uh oh yeah you want

to talk about a fucking unicorn she's a unicorn dude she's it yeah i mean paul coffin too that dude's a fucking unicorn you know that guy who sings Cocaine, country dancing with you No I want to He's the fucking man She's a unicorn too I'm very thankful There was this years where people

Had this I don't care type of Vibe Now actually they're entertaining again It's nice And Sierra, I just saw her And met her for the first time this last year And I was like I was just like this

I was like goo goo gaga Just the whole thing She's such a star And it's so authentic I've gotten to be A little bit friendly with her And we've spent some time and her story of like riding trains it's not a goof man it's like she lived it and you can tell like

she's a and she's like a deep ass person like she really is she's a heroin she used to be a heroin addict and like she's the real deal man and it and it really like it comes through and she's just like she's just she's just she's a total spiritual being and and that's the kind of stuff when you're like you know that's what i look for in my front people where i'm just like oh my gosh she's just a star i mean the first time i met her i'm like i'm gonna try and play it cool right now but i gotta tell you like you are i think i said first thing i said to her i was like're a fucking unicorn man and i just i'm all in on everything that you do and i don't know if you ever want to talk to me again after me saying that but i'm just all in on this thing so thank you who else did you feel that way towards when you first met them oh that's a great question i mean i've been really

blessed with a lot of people there's been people that I'm not friends with, but like, I don't know, like father John Misty, the first time I saw him, he was a little bit off putting. Cause it was in Brooklyn early and it was like, what are you doing, bro?

But then the more I saw him, the more I'm like, he's so on his own planet, you know? I'm just like, it's so fucking cool. And he, and he just is doing his thing and he's learning and like,

his songs are great. And it's really cool I mean, I saw Mitski the other night my kid one of my kids and Mitski fan and like Watching that thing kind of unfold was is just really I mean, it's like a rocket ship and funny like You know, no, I know a con came up through Vermont. Oh, yeah I'm really early early here and I'm not friends with him at all and I was like, first time I saw him in the room, like, you know, 600 people

but people were losing their minds and he was a great singer and songs were good and I was like, okay, this may not be the stuff that I put in every day but I recognize you know, I can totally recognize, but it's just crazy to see how

fast that's been but we've been on like watch you know we kind of we even talk about this in our show like the reverse curse or like if you ever opened up for guster you were probably going to win a grammy that's what i heard about dude like mayor room five and train and fucking all these people just like go and blow passes. Does that piss you off? It did at first. It was sort of like but again like what is it? You just can't it's a weird way to like

you can't compare your journey in any way with anybody else's and again like dude I got a beautiful family I get to make the coolest weirdest shit i'm still like making stuff with my my brothers and my band just made a cool record that's about to come out like i don't know it's like half people walk up to me and be like how do you get to keep doing you know what i mean like it's always gonna be someone and i don't know i don't

want to get much i don't need much more money or anything. What am I going to do with money? I'm just going to spend it on traveling. I don't know. I feel really lucky. That's how I feel too, man. I used to judge my career with other people's careers. That just made me kind of shitty, less happy.

How could you? Yeah, the comparison thing. Of course you have to. It's hard not to, right? On social media, I was bragging about your fucking shit. I'm glad you got off Twitter. I've been fucking, you know. Oh, really?

Are you in it still? I'm deep in it. I have to do all the social media stuff, so I'm watching everyone's career hands-on. I just had to kind of get comfortable with the saying, yeah, everyone has their own path. I'm going to have my... Yeah, but i mean look like

so what was the what was your what was your idea for this podcast like how did it come to you what was your what was the what was this why did you decide to do this i stopped doing coke and fucking random girls and i had a lot more i feel like i got all this energy and i need to put it somewhere yeah so i just wanted to talk to all my friends about how they deal with their crazy life. Because I was like 200. I've been doing 250 shows a year for 15 years. And I was just like, I dedicated my life to this and not really had a girlfriend. I just would just party with the fans.

And I just wanted to make sure I was on the right path. How long ago did you stop doing that? I mean, four years ago, I stopped doing it. And then I'll back, I'll dabble in cocaine a little bit now. But I have it under control now. I didn't have it under control. Not enough to kill your podcast. Yeah.

I mean, all we talk about is like, that's why I wanted to ask you guys. You guys ever get into like fucking drug addiction as your band? Or were you guys just good boys? No, we're pretty good. I mean, I was the one that kind of went the furthest into this stuff. Actually, pretty luckily, I'm surrounded like my wife's pretty much. Yeah, my wife's sober. Most of my band is relatively sober.

I mean, I'll do I did my share and will probably continue to do my share of psychedelics. Like as I go I find them very helpful ayahuasca and been burning it done all that shit and I'm still very interested in all that kind of stuff

where I'm like oh this was all very helpful started with psychedelics in college before I even got stoned I took acid for the first time. And I was like, you know. Really? How old were you? Like, what's that?

How old were you when you first took acid? I was 21. Okay. Like, I was very young. I was a pretty, yeah. And I had never smoked weed in high school. None of my friends did. We were pretty, I was like, I was from Texas.

I was like, buckle the Bible belt with a bunch of like Gordigan Christians. Were your parents religious? No, they're Jews, like lapsed Jews that just never did shit. I don't know. It was just Dallas and like public school, like a bunch of Christians. But yeah, no, we managed to like skip all the addictive stuff for the most part, which is another thing, like what you said, of find people you get along with, but also

aren't toxic to themselves or humanity. I just always say I got real lucky with that. I had no idea when I was 18 met these dudes. Like, hey, you want to start a band that they were going to be really good

men? They were all really good really good men. Like, just, they were all really good people. Like, everybody's a solid person, you know, really, honestly. And our whole management crew, like, we're all good dudes. We're all solid people. Do you have a good judge of character, do you feel? A character?

Do you have a good judge of character? Oh, yeah. I think I'm pretty much... It's like, it's hard to say, but I always want to be like, I'm a superpower, but a little bit I think of what I'm really good at, like beyond just being in a band. I'm a good songwriter and good front man or whatever, but I'm really quick at people, really quick. Like, I got you.

I got you probably and not you, but I get people in less than 10 seconds. I can pretty much judge the totality of... People will surprise me from time to time. There's some times where people are inscrutable, where I'm like, I don't know about this guy.

I can't figure him out. There's still people I know where I'm like, I feel conflicted about a couple people I knew before they were famous who are really famous now. I'm like, I can't figure him out. There's still people I know where I'm like, I feel conflicted about a couple people I knew before they were famous who are really famous now. I'm like, I don't know. I don't get this. Something feels off. Why is he so famous? You know what I mean?

I feel like my judge of character and I think that might come, and I don't know, I'd probably turn it back to you. You party with your fans. That's a different level of this but requires an incredible amount of intuition yeah to be able to sense right away when some bro's like fresco you want to party come with us this after yeah and you're gonna be like okay what kind of journey am i about to go exactly you know yeah exactly you gotta know you gotta

know real quick what that what the scene's going to be like. And you could probably be really good at it at this point, I would assume. Yeah, and especially because I've been podcasting forever. I feel like I could really see who is trying to kill me and who isn't. Why? Have you gotten some that have gone off the rails? why have you gotten some that have gone off the rails oh yeah i've had people try to give me like ketamine instead of cocaine before a show just to see how i do you know so yeah that's the problem with like being the party guy right oh yeah is that you're just in it that way yeah and like that's a real burn that's fucking talk about that journey. Holy shit. Where you just like,

can't just show up at work. You got to be like, okay, you just paint the clown makeup on. Oh yeah. All right, motherfuckers. Yeah.

And turn on, I mean like you can't have time to turn off when you're 24 seven with everybody, you know, it's like, that's why I wanted to ask you about like, how did you like disassociate you with the band to like, kind of like keep moving on with your career?

You have a great television show. You're animating a show. How do you feel like, I'm more than just this in Guster? Well, I think it started when I first got into... I had a weird light bulb moment when I did my first film score. I was like, oh man, I had like a weird light bulb moment when I was starting, when I did my first music film, my first film score. I was like, oh man, I could, I like movies.

I like, I like filmmakers. I'm friends with a lot of filmmakers. I was like, I like that world. What if I did this and I had this light bulb moment? I could do it from home. I don't have to tour. I don't have to be away from my family. And then I had some success with that really early.

Like my second movie was like a big movie at sundance and launched my film score career and then i was like okay i'm not just the singer of this band now i'm like a film composer too and then it just and then i then when i got to vermont i did this i had this tv show where i was interviewing people and i was like oh fuck i'm good at this and i really like it and then kind of, it was all about imposter syndrome. And then it was just like, and then I think my huge one was like, I wrote during, over COVID, we did Red Rocks. And everyone was asking me about it.

I was right in the middle of like, I wanted, it was just a very complicated thing. And I was like, I want to write about this. And I ended up writing an article for The Atlantic. I saw that. Huge. And I was like, okay. Then it was just like, and that was whatever, was that 2020?

I mean, that was like four or five years ago. That's when wheels, then I was just like, all right, brakes are off. I'm just yes-handing the fuck out of anything and everything that just feels scary, weird, with cool people. And I can take a look holistically, like this Broadway thing I'm working on, this kid I met through another guy was like, hey, would you ever want to write a musical? And I was like, you know, every story I've ever heard about musicals has been a nightmare. People work on it for six years. It never goes goes it takes a

million yeses and and then this thing and i was just like well let me just sing and i just like and now it's like it's and i can't really like talk about it i mean i can because it's not done done but when it's done done it will be like it's a big fucking deal it's a huge theater in new york it's off broadway but it but it could go really far. And it's really good. And it's really good. And now I'm just like, fuck it. I can try anything.

Like the acting thing. My buddy asked me if I want to star in a movie. I'm like, sure, bro. You know what I mean? And then he's like, you can just play you. And it's just like a weird version of you. And I went on this set for like two weeks. And I got my buddy in who's like a real deal actor.

He's on like Severance and Orange is the New Black. And he's like a New York theater guy. I went to Juilliard. He got all his friends. So I was surrounded by all these like real actors. And I showed up on day one. And I tried to learn. But I was like, it was a quick thing.

But I just saw the first cut yesterday I'm like damn I'm pretty good at this I mean I don't know everybody else is really good am I half as good as them like so now I'm just like yeah bring it on like whatever

is like weird and cool like and it's again with like good people, it just took me a while to get there and kind of have that confidence that you can land on your feet with this stuff. You know what I mean? Totally. How did you even know that you could...

I mean, this podcast thing is probably easy because you know how to talk to people. Yeah. And it's like, yeah. I just knew, yeah, we started getting huge numbers. I was like, holy shit, this is actually real. It's everything I ever wanted. And I just think it's everything I ever wanted and I just

I just think it's fascinating to me because I overwork too does your wife ever get fucking pissed that you're taking another gig she's like Ryan like chill the fuck out like what the fuck dude well it's like I'm about to leave for three and a half weeks you know I got a 15 and a 13 year old a dog

and like I said my wife she's a she's a state legislator, so she's working too and it's new for her she was kind of like keeping this shit together when I was gone and then the last two years, or like three years she just like fucking went

she just turned into a monster, kind of like me she's like, I got a Zoom, I got a 7 and this, and like every day is full and it's cool as shit, I got a Zoom, I got a 7, this, and every day is full. And it's cool as shit. I mean, it's cool because she's in session January to May. So I'm kind of like single dad during the week, which is every drop off, every pickup, every lunch, every play date, which I really enjoy because I can't get enough my kids right now but um yeah there's a little bit of like I don't know but she also like kind of knew what she was getting into like we met on the road and like I think that's part of what she loved about me or loves about me is just like the

ambition and like the commitment to the creative and it's been pretty pure like I don't you know I've been able to do things that don't feel horrible. Like even when I was first learning how to score and even now, like I'll do commercials and shit just as practice because I like being like, it's like 60 second Google commercial. And you're like, okay, well, they want it to sound like this and whatever. And you're like, it's just a little sandbox to play in. So it's like, even though I'm not necessarily proud of my, and I don't win that often either, but it's just like a creative assignment. So like, I think, yeah, I mean, we're doing good.

Do you have a partner? No, just my right hand, bud. That's all I got. Yeah. What is the longest relationship that you had? I've had an hour, hour and a half. I don't want you to know. That was Freudian.

I think you said it all. I think that was Freudian. You said it all. No, no, no. She's going to be mad. Oh, yeah. This girl I'm dating now, I went out with my, we were going to go out because I'm about to leave on tour.

I'm like, and she works in HR, so she has like a 7 a.m. gig. She's like, and I was just hanging out with the fucking other bands last night. Yeah, exactly. It was like the first test of like, okay, this is who he's going to be, you know?

And then, but you got to test yourself though. Cause if you want to change, you kind of have to like stop going into old habits and like say, all right, let's hang out. You know, it's like,

you have to put it, you got to put some effort into change, I i think yeah i mean it depends like i had a real thing with my wife early on because i was like man we were so different like she was uh you know she went to law school for a minute but then didn't but she was just like i was like man i'm gonna go out like i just want to go out all the time i want to do i want to see everything, do everything. We would get one of our early fights. It would be like 10 o'clock, and we'd be in New York. It's time for bed.

I'd be like, okay, I'm going to go to bed. I'm like, cool. She's like, what are you doing? I'm like, well, I'm going to go out. I mean, you're in bed. I'm not going to go to bed. New York City is right there. She's like, and so we kind of had to get through this.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Because she was feeling like she was being chosen over. And I'm like, no, no, I'll hang with you until 10. But then I'm going to go out and be a crazy person until like two or three. And I'll get up with you at nine and like try and make it work. But like having our different like you know relationship shit it's just like you're never gonna find like dude if it was antonette frasco

you'd be fucked you know what i mean you don't want to meet meet your doppelganger yeah with a vagina yeah exactly screwed i mean you probably have and you probably have you've probably had like little love affairs on the road. You just like meet your match. It's like you, but with a, you know, with boo. You're like, oh, this is danger. Will Robinson. Yeah, dude. What the hell?

And we don't need that. We don't need that. Yeah, you don't need it. That's what you're for. That's what I'm for. Yeah, exactly. And so like, you know, I'm like 20, Jesus, 20. We got 05.

So yeah, I'm like 19 years into my marriage. And it hasn't all been super love. We go through our shit like everybody does. But I think the complimentary stuff is huge. So the fact that you're dating an HR person that gets up at 7 might actually be a stabilizing part of it. It doesn't mean that you have to be an HR person to wake up at seven might actually be a stabilizing part of it. And it doesn't mean that you have to be an HR person to wake up at seven in the morning. It just means that it's like, okay, then if she appreciates that you go out and you get

to be madman Frasco for three weeks and you can come home and then still have some room for her, I mean, that's really it. Like you still ask her questions and care about what she says in response. That's a big part of it. You know what I mean? While you're half a man, you know, she's like,

Oh, Jeanette just like yelled at me. Cause she didn't get her insurance. Yeah. It's like, I mean, you gotta, I don't want to care about that.

Exactly. Yes. Her nickname to me is HR Nightmare. I love that it gets framed in her. She's like, why are you telling everyone I'm in HR?

I'm like, because you tell everyone I'm a fucking crazy person. I love that. Good for you. Well, Ryan, you're the fucking man, dude.

What are you... We got to be friends, bro. You know why I'm on Blue? I'm a little bit surprised we hadn't met before this. I know, because you're the fucking man, dude. We got to be friends, bro. You know what I mean? I'm a little bit surprised we hadn't met before this. I know, because we're the same. I mean, that's like the work. I have a couple more questions. I'll let you go.

Where'd you get your work ethic from? Who, your parents? Who taught you this work ethic? It was really late. It was late. I just didn't. It was the band stuff was happening. And then I just had like a, I had that, those moments, like, like in my thirties and forties where it was just like,

I think it was some of that, like the thing that, you know, when we were talking about before, when you're comparing yourself to other people, the thing that I really was the thing that really, and still kind of gets me that hurts my feelings a little bit. It's just like watching those dudes that went by us, like their opportunities. Like it wasn't the money or the women.

It was just like, oh man, you got to do that. You got to collaborate with those people. You get to go play music, you know, like watching those peer groups develop. And then like, that was the thing that was really hard for me because I always felt like I could hang there. I'm like, well, and then, so that, I guess ever since I'm started doing all this extra shit, it's kind of made me feel like, oh, I have something else to offer other than

just like being, and Guster's cool. Like I'm into our, and the longer we do it and you know this too, like the longer you do it, the more you kind of just prove people wrong. Right. Like people probably put you in a box when you came out yeah i'm just like oh that's just a party band or whatever but like 15 years in you kind of got to shut up about some shit yeah or because it's like well dude this is not easy yeah you know and like the chip on the shoulder kind of inspires you right totally i mean i guess yeah it does in a way

i don't know it's like for me i try not to like sound so fucking self-helpy but i try not to give people that kind of power over it like i want to give people their power of like you're gonna do it like for me there really is like i do want to just keep making cool shit i want to meet interesting people i want to have cool conversations i want to just keep making cool shit. I want to meet interesting people. I want to have cool conversations. I want to be in a cool flow. And I love making stuff. It's kind of like I could sit out there and go walk through the woods right now

and it won't be half as fun as having a conversation with you being like, oh man, Fresco's like, you know, you picked up, you decided to fucking stop doing coke and call up your friends and put a podcast out and put yourself out there. I just really have an immense amount of respect for creative people that

really put, that just allow themselves to be judged. It's real easy to sit there and be a keyboard warrior and yell at everybody, but it's so hard to make shit. So i just i get i just i have a lot of respect for for you and this and anybody that just makes shit every day yeah man it's hard to like put your heart out out there every day and like not care about the response you know because a lot of people like will be like maybe a lot of people are like what the fuck's Guster doing with his musical? I bet you hear that shit too.

I'm not above it. Do we just dropped our first songs in five years this week? And I went through every note I did. I wish I didn't. I mean, I'm glad I did actually because it was real positive. But I went on YouTube and looked at the comments and even just went on a Reddit post this morning because they don't know shit about me and being on there like no one's going to think I'm looking at it

and it was it was real positive and I would say that like the two things that were mean of course I can recite them yeah exactly yeah we don't worry about the good shit the two people talk shit 300 amazing things

what are they going to make music with some eggs? I'm like, bro, I'm 51. What am I angsty about? I love my wife. My kids are cool. My parents live down the road. What am I angst about? Anyway.

I just made money doing a musical, bro. Shut the fuck up. I'm happy today. Let me be fucking happy. Exactly. So I really care. Where's the eggs? That's funny. I want people to like it. That's fucking funny, Ryan. I really care. Where's the eggs? That's funny.

I want people to like it. That's fucking funny, Ryan. I want everybody to like our shit. You don't make it for the fans, but you do. I don't know. You must think about all this shit. I think about that all the time. You're totally spot on.

The thousands of people who love my shit, the only thing I see are those two fucking keyboard warriors who are just like fucking frascos a clown. Can't read the comments, man. But it's a lifelong lesson. Again, this is

what I tell my kids all the time and myself. It's like, all this shit's just practice. Always frame it like that. You're not going to stop doing the thing. Just start practicing all this shit's just practice, right? Always frame it like that. It's like, you're not going to stop doing the thing. Just start practicing doing this shit. Stop trying to practice not reading the comments or taking it too personally or whatever. Because you're doing great.

You're doing great. Look what you get to do. Exactly. Look what you woke up and got to do for a living. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of gratitude in there. It is surreal that not a lot of people could take mushrooms

till 5am on a Sunday. And with your band too. I don't even know if I could do that. I don't know. It would almost be too real. We'd have to talk about our feelings. I don't want to talk about my feelings. You know that fucking time in 2011

in D'Chipsi? I still remember that shit, bro. Exactly. I don't know. That'shipsi. I still remember that shit, bro. Exactly. I don't know. That's real brave. I respect that. I respect mushroom time with you. Like you said, how you approached. You guys had therapy talk. I hear what you're saying,

bro. I hear what you're saying, bro. But I feel like we could do this a different way. We could be productive a little way. Dude, the same shit, I did The same shit bro Same shit You gotta do it You gotta do it There's only one way

There's a reason it's therapy talk Come on man I love it You gotta learn from this shit Can't make the same mistakes Well thanks for being on the fucking show Right you're the fucking man dude I'm so

I wonder why it took this long to meet But I don't think it's gonna take long To hang out again I would feel No Put your name Put your phone number in the chat. I will.

Give Ryan my number. All right, bud. I got one last question, and then I'll let you get back to the 20,000 things you have to probably do today. You know, when it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? What do I want to be remembered by?

Shit. That's a big one for the end. It might be the only time I don't have anything by. Shit, that's a big one for the end. It might be the only time I don't have anything to say this whole podcast. What do I want to be remembered by? I don't know. The sincere answers, I think I just want to be known as a kind person. Kindness. I'm going to go with kindness.

Let's fucking go. I'd like to be a kind person. I'm not there totally, but that's where I'd going to go with kindness Let's fucking go I'm going to be a kind person I'm not there totally But that's where I'd like to get to From New York to Burlington The man has found himself I'm going to walk in the woods With my dog

And yodel From New York Babe I'm going to the 3am bar Shut the fuck up I just want to be kind babe I just want to be kind In the forest In the trees

Walking around brother I do I love that right You know as we get older to be kind, babe. I just want to be kind in the forest, in the trees, walking around, brother. I do. I love that, Ryan. As we get older, that's the same thing too. I used to want to be controlled by my work ethic, and now I want to be controlled by my kindness. Yeah, it's a real legacy. It's a good thing.

Keep the dream alive. Go see Guster. Go see the Broadway musical Guster going live on tour. Exactly. Thanks see Guster. Go see the Broadway musical Guster going live on tour. Exactly. All right. We'll see. Thanks for making time. Right.

You're the man. Have a good one, brother. Take care. All right. We'll see you out there. Later, bud. Ciao. You tuned in to the World's Health Podcast with Andy Fresco.

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