Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 269: Gavin Rossdale (Bush)

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

A special birthday note from one, Mr Floyd Kellogg. Andy is joined by Beau for an opening segment about what one does on a sleepless night in Florida. Good ol' fashioned fun... maybe a bevy of beautiful women, and a few toots to boot may have been at play too. Also: should we install cameras on the tour bus so we can livestream our very own Truman Show experience for your pleasures? On the Interview Hour, we got guitarist and vocalist, Gavin Rossdale from a little 90's band called Bush, ever heard of them? No, we're not talking about either of the horrid American presidents, but the musical act that was the soundtrack to your pre-9/11 angst! How does Andy spend this rareified audience, this Q&A sesh with a alt-rock goat?? Listen in to find out what relationship advice sounds like coming from a rock star, and don't forget to stream the new Little Stranger/Andy Frasco tune, God at a Festival! And guess what... You can watch the full episodes Exclusively on Volume.com now in color!  Psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker John Shields

A birthday letter from Floyd. I'll cut you. Wide open. Not in your sleep. Won't be that convenient. I want to look you in the eye when whatever blunt object I've found makes your gum take its last breath. Then, I will do blow off it. After, I'll cut the gum out and all your degenerate friends from stupid-ass Charleston will do coke off it.

And say, hey, whose gum is this I'm doing blow off of? And we'll say, oh, some cuck boy I once knew. But I think I forgot, because he's a 6'2 pile of shit. You're one of my favorite people I've gotten to know recently. It's insane. Love you, man. Floyd. Floyd.

Floyd. Floyd. Floyd Floyd Floyd Fuck your little bitch ass Cuck boy birthday book Smiley face Smiley face. And we're live. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast.

I'm Andy Frasco. How's your heads doing? How's your minds? Are you staying out of trouble? Are you not letting the demons of 20 shows in a row... How many have we done? We've done... 20 shows in a row. How many have we done? 20 shows in a row.

Get your hopes down, baby, because we're feeling good today. We're feeling fucking great. Bubbalinski in the building. He's my co-host tonight. Let's go. How we doing? Cheers. We're doing good.

Damn. Got some sleep last night. Yeah, some of us did. Sometimes. Florida is a... It's like... I like Florida. We're in Florida right now. We're on the beach. We're playing in Stewart. It's beautiful here. This place is cool. This place is cool. When I first came

here, I'm like, fuck, this feels like the Golden Corral. And actually, it's a cool vibe. There's people coming in. The doors are open. We're out here. We sold like four or 500 tickets. I'm on this. I'm really impressed how, how well this Florida tour is going between Tampa sold out last night, dude. Even Pensacola showed up. Jacksonville is about to sell out. It's just, it's a vibe. Florida is cool. You know, there's always

a stereotype about Florida. Like, Oh, these people are weird. These people are actually pretty fucking cool. Yeah. I mean, crazy as shit. They're batshit crazy. Yeah, they're batshit crazy. But that's why we like them. We get along with them.

We love them. This tour has been amazing. You know, I feel like there's a good energy in the air with the band. Everyone feels a little free. I think so. I think it's a breath of fresh air. Yeah. We don't need to go into detail. But I'd say so. I I think so. I think it's a breath of fresh air. We don't need to go into detail,

but I'd say so. I'd say so. I feel good. I'm working during the day. I'm playing at night. I feel like I'm getting everything under control with just managing myself for the moment. We've got a solid plan moving

forward here. We're building a team. We're delegating. We're fucking becoming mature alcoholics. Let's go. Yeah. You don't party. I mean, I do. Yeah, not that much. No, no.

Not like us. I can't. No, you can't. Dude, I was thinking about this the other day, Bo. Everyone's like, how much are you paying Bo? This man is fucking taking budgets. Are you like, are we are you paying Bo? This man is fucking taking budgets. That was my main goal, is to not

overwork you. And I do feel better? We're good. Okay, good. Feel good. Especially with, now we got Marty and Nick taking over podcast stuff. That's going to be great. We hired another producer, Marty Black. Shout out to Marty. Welcome to the World Saving Podcast, Dave.

But yeah, tour's been great. I feel happy again. Yeah? Yeah. I really do. You seem stressed out for a little bit there. Yeah. I mean, at first, when I was getting all the emails about advancing shows and stuff,

and it just hit me like, oh, shit, I am my own manager right now. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of what you wanted. You were doing that a little bit anyways. Yeah. It's just like one less step. I just feel like I'm 19 again in the industry. I'm reading all these emails from advances

and having my agent hit me up like, we're doing this show. No, we're not. I do feel more in the when that was the reason why I wanted to be in the music industry in the first place to be part of the energy knows the grind knows the grind it does suck

you know taking phone calls till about 7 p.m. then get on stage yeah but that's just transition just fucking a ton of managers hitting me up yeah which is a good thing that's a great thing Can't complain about that But I'm happy, I do feel like the hot girl right now

Yeah, you should You are the hot girl We were the hot girls But my body doesn't feel like the hot girl I mean, yeah, after six weeks on the road This is what happened I knew this was going to happen The bus spoiled us

We went back to the van And we're like, yeah, let's save some money six weeks on the road. This is what happened. I knew this was going to happen. The bus spoiled us. It did. We went back to the van and we're like, yeah, let's save some money. And we're like, okay, let's save some money. We are saving some money. Shout out the money.

We're making money on this tour. Let's go. A little cheaper without the bus. But it was funny because like, oh shit, I forgot. This is why I was so fucking low dopamine. If I had to deal with

when I was really deep in my sadness a couple months ago. On the bus? Oh my God. But we're going back in the bus. We got it. We got it reserved? Yeah, we're going on the Pigeon Plane Ping Pong Tour.

After this tour is done, on Tuesday, you'll see this. We're going to be out of here. That tour will be over. We have two weeks off. I'll be in Nashville. I'm in Nashville all week. And then, guys, I guess I'm playing with Bayless. We're doing my first ever acoustic show.

You said that's Mother's Day, too, right? Mother's Day. It's Saturday before. If you're in Peoria, I think there's only 50 tickets left. Come see Bayless and I talk shit. We're going to see. He's learning all my songs. Are we doing Canopy?

We're doing it at Kenny's Westside. Nice. Hell yeah. It's going to be grungy. Kenny's is awesome. I love it. It was a blast. But come out there.

And then we start the... It's going down. Amphitheater tour starts May 23rd with Pigeon Play and Ping Pong and Dogs in a Pile. God, the Dogs boys are the fucking best. Aren't they the best? Yeah. They're the best.

They're so much fun. So easygoing. Are they here? No, I think they're... They're about to sit up. They got family down there too. Yeah. Man, I have been drinking a lot,

but I've taken the other extracurricular stuff a little less. Or am I lying about that? No comment. I plead the physics. I just don't feel burnt out. Why don't I feel burnt out? I don't know. Adrenaline? I don't think feel burnt out. Why don't I feel burnt out? I don't know.

Adrenaline? I don't think it's that. I think I just feel alive again. Yeah. Passion. Passion. I think I have my passion back. Yeah.

My dick doesn't work. I can't. I think that's just the alcohol. I mean, yeah, that'll do it. I've been pushing rope. I think just the drinking and I'm just doing so much that like, I haven't even thought about beating off.

You got too much other shit on your mind. I know. I did try to because in some of these states, you can't really watch porn too. So it was like one day I was like kind of courageous. Back on Twitter. I was trying to get on Twitter too but I was like, then I started like, couldn't find anything on Twitter. so I started like subscribing

to only fangirls. Oh, I did. Desperate times. And I was in a dark hole. I was like, oh shit, look at my credit card. I'm like, damn, I just spent like 37 bucks a month. Seriously? Like three different people just to try to get a nut.

But I don't know why we're talking about that. We have Gavin Rosdale from Bush. I don't know. Maybe I was thinking about Bush. And I was like, oh yeah. We got Gavin Rosdale from Bush on the podcast. This is a big podcast. You know Bush. Gavin used to date Gwen Stefani.

Married Gwen Stefani. Had kids with her. Yeah, that's right. I forgot about all that. I asked. I tried to get deep with him and he got deep back. Hell yeah. And Nick and I were like, holy shit, he's actually. I forgot about all that. I tried to get deep with him, and he got deep back. Oh, yeah. And Nick and I were like, holy shit, he's actually talking about all this stuff. I'm like, do you regret anything? He's like, I'll let you listen to it. But he's like, he looked me in the eye through the cameras.

And it's so British. I was like, I don't regret anything. You could see him just like going through everything he's ever done. He's such a handsome man, dude. He's 60 years old. He's 60? Or. He's 60? Or 58. What the?

He looks amazing. He's putting out a new record. It's going to be exciting. So I can't wait for you to listen to that. But yeah, we have a big podcast. I don't know why I was talking about beating off when we have Gavin Ross. I've been telling everyone,

we're changing the narrative. I'm not going to be talking as much about my dick anymore. Less drugs. Less drug talk. We're matured. We're out here just low-joking me. We're trying. Everyone's got to mature a little bit.

But you know, it just comes to a point. I was going through a tough time. Don't be afraid to listen to yourself. Sometimes you're afraid to listen to yourself because you're afraid you're going to hurt other people in the process. Always trust what you need in life. You know, I was bummed out with my career. I was bummed out with the girl I was dating. I was bummed out with a lot of things. And I just started betting on myself again, knowing that I could do this,

and now I'm happier. It sucks that the whole situation with Brian and stuff, and I love him to death, and everything's cordial, and we both understand it was the same thing, but I don't know. I just feel happy. Good.

You should. We're coming up. I know. We're coming up, but it's also, sometimes we just forget about ourselves that we need to be happy too because we're always trying to make everyone else happy. Preaching to the choir there.

You do that, bro. You fucking do that every day. I see it in your eyes when you're dead inside. I see that when you're doing the 10,000 mile glare on the side of the stage, you're like, fuck. I don't know. I haven't, the other day, I was kind of sick. So that was part of it. But I stage, you're like, fuck, I gotta... I don't know. The other day,

I was kind of sick, so that was part of it. But other than that, I haven't really felt it either. No. I think we're fucking back. Yeah. Fucking back, baby! We're fucking back! We're stoked. Also, shout out to Volume.com for

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fans to volume.com for a lot of stuff. Livestreams. Every livestream we're going to do, it's going to be through volume.com for a lot of stuff. Live streams. Every live stream we're going to do, it's going to be through volume.com. We're bringing back the dance party. We're going to do extra episodes of the podcast. It was just Nick and I every week. People love that. That last week's episode where we were just talking tea was one of the highest downloads of the whole time. Nice. Yeah. So I know you guys like that one.

Me and Nick are going to fucking work hard and get you an episode every week of just talking shit. You only can see that on volume.com. Uncut episodes too. Uncut. Also, we will be putting cameras in the bus like Ed TV. At 3 a.m., I'm going to turn

everyone's everyone's we got Sean Eccles in there how you doing I don't like cameras in the bus Sean Eccles how you doing

good man how are you good what's up good in there no cameras in the bus I don't know it could be bad you know

they're not always on we can turn them on yeah alright okay we'll look at Floyd Cam that's fun you know just strap one to It could be bad. They're not always on. We can turn them on. We'll look like a Floyd cam. That's fun. Just strap one to it. We said we should get a GoPro. Sean Eccles says no cameras in the bus.

Maybe not. Actually, that might be a bad idea. Maybe do it in the morning. We're going to do the extended Monday morning motivation where people can get in the stream with me and we could have a cup of coffee, smoke a joint, and get it popping. There's going to be a lot of things we're adding, but we're taking the power

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everyone's bored of it. I'm bored of it. You're still sitting scrolling, but it's like you do it for like 30 seconds and then it's just like, alright, this is the same dumb shape of shit. I don't want to see you know, fucking kids again. I'm over it. I'm like, I'm just old.

I'm like older now. so all my friends are just married. I can see the dead in their eyes because they had to wake up at 5 a.m. because their kid can't go to sleep. I'm like, Jesus Christ. I'm like, I'm dead in my eyes, but I'm actually doing something I love. Because we are the kids. Let's go.

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And also, if you aren't fucking around, don't want to really see more than just once a week of me, there's a bunch of other bands you can go listen to and go watch on the site. So head to volume.com. All right, buddy. We have two more shows left. We got this. We got this. I don't feel... We're on the beach. It's not that

fucking humid. It feels good. I always thought that fucking Florida was going to be this fucking humid fucking cesspool. And it's not. It's awesome. I'm having a great time in fucking Florida. Tampa Bay sold out. It was fucking sick. Dude. And tomorrow's not. It's awesome. I'm having a great time in fucking Florida. Tampa Bay sold out. It was fucking sick. Dude. And tomorrow we got the Stranger Boys coming too. I know.

In Miami. Oh boy. We're going to be in Miami with a little strange... By the way, everyone, found God at a festival. I got the numbers on day one. It's fucking huge. Hell yeah. We're getting thousands and thousands and thousands of views. Fuck yeah. Thank you guys for supporting that. I know my fans are like, it's all wrapped. But I did a motivational speech. We're getting thousands and thousands and thousands of views. Fuck yeah. Thank you guys for supporting that.

I know my fans are like, it's all rap. But I did a motivational speech. We sang the chorus. It was cool how that song came out. Kanika did the chorus too, right? I had Kanika sing on it. John produced it. It was in-house.

We had Skippy on it. It's a fucking family affair in here. We had Ross Bogan on it and Ryan Stasek playing bass. It's all the Charleston fucking homies. We're amping up, guys. We're putting out more and more singles every month and you guys are reacting so well to it and I just

appreciate everyone, all the fans coming up to us and saying how much these new songs are meaning to them. It's a really beautiful thing. We're changing the narrative. People aren't here just to have the party. They like to have the party with the Frasco band. But now they're coming for the songs.

And I fucking love that. We're back, baby. Let's go. Let's go. Okay. Dogs in a Pile is about to go on. I can hear them. They're about to sit in.

Do you have any motivation to give the people, before we hear Gavin Rosdell give us a great interview? Sometimes when you're feeling low, you just got to dig deep. Get in there. Get down in the trenches. Pull it out and just get fucking pitted. Get fucking pitted.

Speaking of pitted, Pit Vipers. You should sponsor this podcast. Bo wears your sunglasses everywhere. It's so funny when you settle and you have those pit glasses on. I don't know how people take me seriously. So we sold out and we get a bonus, right? You're like,

I'm pit vipers. You're killing it, bro. We're doing it together. Goddamn right. I know this is a weird transition, but you got my side. I got your side.

We're in this baby. We making lemonade, baby. Let's go get them. Let's do it. All right, Florida. Thank you so much for all your this, baby. We making lemonade, baby. Let's go get them. Let's do it. All right, Florida. Thank you so much for all your hospitality, all your beautiful women. A lot of hot women in Florida.

Holy shit. And they're fun. They're just fun people. They'll go out and drink. I went out drinking with a group of ladies last night until about 5 a.m. And it was just the coolest thing ever. I was like, okay. There was no tensions. There was no like we're not all trying to hook up with eachm. And it was just the coolest thing ever. I was like, okay. There was no tensions.

We're not all trying to hook up with each other. We're just having fun. Good old-fashioned fun. Just drinking. Fun and drugs. Fun and drugs. I have been doing a couple of toots, but yeah, I did a couple of toots last night.

I'm in Florida. I mean, we're so close to Columbia. I mean. You got to do it. Went in Rome, right? Went in Rome, yeah. Anyway, enjoy Gavin Rosdale, and we'll catch you on the do it. Yeah, when in Rome, right? When in Rome, yeah. Anyway, enjoy Gavin Rosdale, and we'll catch you on the tail end. Oh, yeah, who's next?

Oh, next week, Joe Gatto in Practical Jokers. Yeah, that'll be good. That'll be good. And then Nick and I shoot the shit, and we'll go deep down into the tea of the tour in a couple weeks. But what happened? And then we got the big one. What big one?

Oh, Goose. Yeah, we can finally announce Goose here soon. Everyone's like, where's the Goose interview? It's coming, people. We're dealing with some shit and we need to fucking have it back. Love you. Don't let the days go by. Glittering.

Glittering. Oh, my glycerine. Glycerine. Wow. We have a real rock star on the show today. Gavin Ross. How are you doing, buddy? I'm doing good. Thank you. How are you guys doing?

I'm doing good. How's it going out there, bro? So you're living in Los Angeles. What's the vibe like? How's your head? How's your mind state? Yeah, everything's good you know um i uh i've been just finishing up on writing a record you know doing the next bush record and uh so what it's been a bit of a weird one because sometimes i've gone through it where it may have taken a year to write or six months to write

really intense and this one sort of feels like um it's because i had a few songs already and then i wrote some recently and somehow i got to the 10 that have all gone working with the producer and it's almost like having it feels like having having a kid without knowing you're really pregnant because suddenly i have this record. Yeah, oh shit, it's another one. This is the 10th. This is the 10th record, so it makes sense. But yeah, so I feel good. So I'm a bit of a pain when I'm in that mode of like,

shit, I've got to write songs. Fuck, what am I going to do? So all my time is taken up with that. Whereas when I finished it, now I feel a little bit, I can kind of chill a little bit. That means I just do other stuff. It doesn't mean I literally chill, but it just means that

I feel good. And the sun's out. It's been like Seattle here. I don't know where you guys are. Yeah, we're in Denver. Yeah, so it's been bad rain. It's been like living in Belgium. And it's been kind of fun in a way, but I'm happy we're back in Cali because it's now sort of fun in a way but i'm happy back in cali because

it's now sort of you know the cali skies i love i love them but it's a mile high i'll take some mile high yeah what's the difference between writing for bush now versus writing when you're younger with no restraints yeah you know what's weird is that um that's a great question it's funny because when you're at the beginning of bush you write with no horizon you know i mean just an idiot like there's no there's you don't know where life is going you know what's going to happen you don't know where your life's going to take you with literally no horizon now when you write kind of now a number of a few summers in i'm like dang i haven't got that many more records to make you know before i'm like stop making records you have nothing left to say

so um i don't know i just don't feel like uh you know we get better if you just think of one thing in your life like a noodle maker or something hand-pulled noodles guy. I just stuck to Bush for so long that I just feel so connected to it that it's a lot of fun to write records. And lots of people, you know, the common wisdom is that if you ever hit records, you just can be a nostalgia act and don't have to do anything new. But I'd want to kill myself if I did that. You know, I feel so bankrupt, for me personally. So therefore, I like making new sounds, new records,

and some of this new stuff I've been doing is so cool. I'm so excited about it, because I got a little bit better at the studio, so I can kind of start up these tracks, make a bit more weird, a bit more interesting. So, you know, I don't understand music that much. I'm always trying to learn it. And every song is a different voyage into a new discovery, to be honest.

And especially in my studio, just the stuff you can do nowadays is pretty cool. And you can just fuck things up and start in an interesting way. So I've done sort of about five regular, more standard tracks thing. And then I've done a bunch of songs that are like more tricked out more trippy which I like. What do you think your strengths are versus your weaknesses as a songwriter and a musician? Like my strength, my weakness is I still find it sounds so stupid but I'm not even joking. It's still music is such a mystery to me you know it's still mysterious how the alchemy of certain elements you know when you think that

mozart had the same notes he puts us all the shame of the beatles or the bowie so so my strength uh my my my strength is this is um my weakness is not being quite not good enough as a guitar player as a musician so I have to sort of push things through and then that's my weakness and then my strength is not being good enough of music because it makes crazy things happen where I'm like oh god why do I have to modulate? Most people write in a key. If you learn traditionally, classically trained, you write in a key. There's a key.

And when you're like a self-taught kind of weirdo like me, you have no respect for the keys. So sometimes I'll just push other chords in and I'll be like, why is it so hard to sing it? Because it's not in the key of the song you're in it. Yeah, exactly. So I do this modulation thing. I have a natural modulation. Apparently John Lennon had it too. Yeah, I was going to say John Lennon. Things were non-sequential, you know, out of the key. So my strengths and my weaknesses are really connected. Yeah, it's great. I mean, as you get older, like, who did I talk to? We interviewed Joe Bonamassa. He said, like, it's that second 10,000 hours

where you finally become a real musician. Like, feel like you're comfortable with who you are as, you know, an artist. You're refining. You're refining it. Do you believe in that? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think that. And also, you know, for me, lyrically is a massive part. You know, Bush has always been very lyric dependent.

I think it's a vibe. It's like people like music, but the lyrics be, you know, the ones that I think help you keep there, you know, keep you going. And I don't know. I just sort of feel like so clear about what I want to complain about. Yeah. Think about that. The idea of you beat loneliness.

When was there a point in your life where loneliness beat you? Well, all the time. All the time. Different moments and different times. I think that all the time at different, different sort of moments and different, um, yeah,

different times. I mean, like, I think that it's funny because, you know, when I came up, you know, um,

what was so-called grunge, sort of whatever it means, um, but sort of music of complaint that wasn't, uh, uh, hot hand metal, you know?

And, uh, um, it was weird because mental health for men was not really um okay to talk about especially in england oh my god oh my god suppression it was illegal to get therapy in england you know i didn't know i bet at least the sun's always out if you killed someone you're allowed to get therapy apart from that you have to just grin and bear it. But so I think that's really important about this whole mental health thing.

And you see like the suicides. I mean, the suicide rates are nuts. You could just devote your life to kind of helping people conceptualize that getting help and admitting loneliness admitting melancholy or depression i don't have depression so i don't feel like i'm depressed i have a sort of a natural ability to be melancholic you're just british i think that's just yeah my entire family no but i hear you man keep explaining this like what about touring like when you're like when things were really high like like bush was fucking popping like how how did you approach

this melancholy is what i'm saying like did you accept that you're getting famous or did you never accept that you were successful well i had a really weird journey i don't know what it's like for you guys because you obviously doing great with that many shows a year, but it took me a while to a number of bands and a number of years of just steady diet of failure, just endless failure, endless shut doors. And what's worse than someone shutting the door in their face your faces then shut the door in your face for like a record company or managers or anyone and they never tell you why you know you're always stuck with like fuck what is it about me with me it was always blamed on my voice they would always say oh it's your voice you can't really sing very well i probably wasn't any good on stage. So what was weird about being successful,

and I don't mean this in a flash way of like, you know, Oasis, you know, they consider themselves the best band in the world. I didn't come from that school. I like that sort of slightly more different, low-key version of it. So what was weird about being successful or finally selling records

is that I suddenly felt like um i wasn't crazy for pursuing that dream i wasn't crazy for thinking that some people would like what i did i you could never expect everyone to like what you do that would be like you know you'd have to do some vanilla anodyne bullshit for everyone to like it you know maybe everyone liked porter's head you know maybe that's the one band ever everyone's like okay yeah yeah apart from that if you don't like slipknot if you don't like metal you don't think slipknot's great or if you don't like you know mazzy star because she's too dreamy i don't know you know so everyone can have their critiques so when i got that that moment or that time it felt felt like I was where I should be.

You know what I'm saying? I felt actually where I should be of just making records for some people and doing shows for some people. Never expecting world domination and never got it. So there you go. Do you feel the same level of melancholy for life that isn't your art versus your personal life yeah i think at all times because um you know we're all products of basically pretty shitty shitty parenting yeah and you know we didn't really know what they were doing in many ways and so there is a sense of I probably do have a chip on my shoulder

of trying to be heard or trying to, you know, I'm not like a people pleaser so much, but maybe I am. I don't know. You know, I always want the best. I always believe in people. I want the best of things. People let you down all the time. You know know people are

really shitty and you just um you keep a close core of people but most people come across like leaning on a tent you know it's kind of hard to most people can't be relied on all right but but that's cool i mean nor should they be i I mean, I have a funny philosophy now. Like, I'm a complete atheist and not really that spiritual. I just think that there's an energy in the world, a synchronicity of meeting people, like minds, that energy I believe in. But the rest is just being a decent human being

and just being considerate of others. It's really that basic. And the funny part is that all the people, all the Bible bashers and all the religious nuts are the least kind, least forgiving, least dependable people I've ever met in my life. They're just sort of super judgmental. So my philosophy is just like to just try and kind of, it's a bit of a struggle for everyone. Stuff goes on all the time.

It's out of our control. It's out of our control. And you just got to do the best you can. And I think that melancholy is good because it gives you a bit of humility. Right. the best you can and i think that melancholy is good because it gives you a bit of humility right because boy when i feel good and i feel happy and i'm like uh excited about stuff i really truly am you know and it's not you know that's because it's it's a it's a it's a it's not not emotional i don't feel a lot but it's just like it's all a carousel isn't it so if you feel up you feel down it's just the

life goes up and down yeah do you feel like um when your parents your parents got divorced when you were what 11 and 12 or 12 or so 12 12 do you feel like uh abandonment issues because of that divorce or did were they what did they uh give you uh strength oh both both yeah yeah bad dude well my my mom left to go and she left moved another country so i didn't see her for a long time and then i kind of reconnected with her at a later point in my life properly so that was pretty intense for a 12 year old boy to like suddenly to be living with my dad and my mom leaves you know you don't never live with her ever again so that's fucked up that's super intense super can fuck you up and the best part

my favorite uh detail about that which is when i have a 10 year old i have a 15 or 17 or they are like i i can't leave them for five minutes. They can't be left alone. They can be shit. Just to kind of leave a 12-year-old kid to go to bed every night himself, that's it. You never live with them again. It's pretty intense.

And my favorite thing about it is that no one offered any help as a kid. You know, so to deal with it it it wasn't like talk to someone go do it nowadays it's like you know uh you know my kid wakes up at night i've got a fucking message from my ex like the kid needs therapy his therapy i don't know if he needs therapy he's crazy he's a kid so people are mollycoddled you know now we'd like tiger oh my god looks blue it's like he's sad well you know anyway so yeah of course that really informed me and i'm terrified of everyone uh bad me because they normally do you know yeah they all do so yeah it's kind of weird i mean it's confirmed i mean it makes sense like what what was were your parents like

perfectionists like your dad was a doctor right your mom was a model so like did they expect so much out of you no they are quite the opposite really well my mom my mom split she didn't expect anything and my dad was just too busy to have any expectations of me it's a weird one so i think a lot of my drive was to get his attention i was always trying to get his attention um and i remember being a funny little fucker sitting in my uh living room with my dad it was really sweet you know he was there every night it was so solid you know because most people if they break up, they live with their mom, dad. So I mean, it's weird.

So I live with my dad. He was amazing. But he just like, he was very, he had a hands-off approach to parenting. His approach was, they're doing fine. They're pretty good. I don't think it's not, it's like, look, I know hands on a bike. You know, it's like, I think you should hold the handlebar at least one hand with my kids but he'd be like you'd be fine you'd be fine you know um so he's a different approach you know he's a bit older i was his third marriage i was his third um uh no second marriage excuse me he got married after after when he was my dad as my kid

I was his second marriage and he just was like you'll be fine you'll be fine so I was like pretty feral I mean from 12 years old I would go out with my friends and hang out on the streets around our neighbourhood

leave in the morning or come back from school if If I went to school, if I didn't play true. And, um, and then, um, and then I just,

we'd sit, we play soccer. We, as a youth club, we'd sit in the streets. You just sit there on these housing states. It was just weird as existence. And,

um, all my friends were there and I felt like they were, yeah, it was weird because I went to a really smart school, but I lived in quite a poor area. So all my friends that I grew up with were like, you know, postmen, electricians, painters, plasterers. It's very blue collar. So they all worked there. And then the school I went to was really academic and very smart. So then I had this, like, disconnect between the two.

Like, I wasn't sure which group to hang with. And by the time I was, so my people I grew up with, at 16, I was like, maybe I don't want to be a postman. I don't know if that's so cool. I don't think I want to deliver mail. And I don't want to be a plasterer. I can paint houses to make money, which is what I did when I was doing music.

I paint, paint and decorating. But so I really cut myself off from both worlds. And then at 16, I was like, I went away with all my kind of rough lot. And, um,

uh, I suddenly realized what a bunch of idiots. I don't want to be around these people. They're maniacs. You know, the brothers were like gangsters, like armed robbers. They were all seen as cool.

And I was just like, what is this? So I, then I went back to my school and for two years, I really studied English literature, Spanish literature, French literature. And I fell in love with books.

So then I was really walk around like Andre G in a, in a Mac, in a Mac. And I go to the cafe and smoke red marbles. I didn't love with books. So then I was really walking around like André Gide in a Mac. In a Mac, I'd go to the cafe and smoke Red Marbles. I didn't even like them. It was kind of cool. I was reading. Trying to be a beat pilot. Trying to be Bukowski or something.

Yeah. Bukowski is like Ginsburg. So that's when I fell in love with words. And so I was ostracized. The academic school didn't really like me because I'd been really uh unfriendly and aggressive my first three years my my people I grew up with were like what what why are you reading books well oh you like David Bowie you must be gay you can't be

friends with you right so I was like I was stuck with no one and I just had these books and that's when I fell in love with books and And then when I decided to be, when I was left school, instead of, I decided to be, um, to, I was like,

I should be a singer. What can I do? That doesn't have to have a, you don't do a job. So I thought I'd be a singer and write words. And I say, my dad would be like, look,

this is me working. And I'd write some shitty lyrics, do a cassette recorder, die in a band. And I've been like, this is where's my job so for a number

of years he felt really bad for me because I would just push this terrible idea

of being a lyricist and being a songwriter and I had a knack for it so I got

signed quick to write songs a publishing deal six months and within six months

of writing within six months yeah like Taylor Swift you and Taylor Swift well yeah a publishing deal six months and within six months and right within six months yeah like taylor you and taylor swift well yeah i i tell you i got five thousand dollar advance five thousand pounds and when i signed with bush um or got that going, they looked and they saw that I had to pay $350,000 to Warner to get off that deal. Oh my God. So it kind of worked out for them.

So did Warner pay that or were you indebted to them? No, I was indebted to them. I didn't understand how it worked. That was the price they put on me to buy out of that deal because I never got past the $5 because i never sold any records and records so they for every reason i had to sign that check so yeah it's tough but so yeah why did we get onto that but no we're talking about just earlier in your life and how uh like i'm i'm curious like did you when did your dad finally said he was proud of you you said he was like oh i feel sorry he's doing this, when did your dad finally said he was proud of you? You said he was like, oh, I feel sorry he's doing this thing.

When did he finally tell you that you felt like he was proud of you? Well, the thing about it was that he was a sweetest man. So he was never not proud of me. But I think that he never saw a show. He only saw one show of mine. I'm not even joking. Saw one show. Still? In my band. even joking. Saw one show. Still?

In my band. In Bush. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And that was, I flew him to New York. He flew to New York and he came to Madison Square Garden. That's a good one show.

Yeah, that's a good one to go to. It was good. It was a big peak. We started a big peak. Yeah. And he apparently spent the whole time just looking you know, just looking around at the audience. So he was really supportive of me. He was really an amazing, sweet, sweet man.

He just was very busy and was not interested in being a traditional parent. He didn't see it as he was traditional. Instead, he'd come home and put food on the table. We lived in a nice little house, really small bedroom. I loved it, that little place. And when my kids saw where I grew up, they were like, how do you sleep in this room? You know, it's so stupid.

Just lay down. I made the best bougie kids, you know, how do you sleep here? I'd be like, this is the best. You got to remind them, this will all go away. They don't find it. You better be good at rugby stuff. No, but I think that's very fascinating because like

you know I've never my parents just didn't understand my music life I was on I started touring when I was 19 and

cause of that I've never my parents were together but they never were that happy so like I had this like

weird idea of relationships like how did you if you this idea of abandonment, that everyone was going to leave you, how did you keep Bush around for so long? Because if it's in your head... They like the songs. It helps when you're selling out Madison Square Garden. Yeah.

They got good seats on planes. I don't know. No, I mean, I've actually maintained, uh, with the first incarnation of Bush. Uh, well, I was just really lucky to get three other people that were really into working that hard.

I mean, when you, you guys, you say you do two shows a year. I mean, wouldn't you agree that the biggest component or not component, but the biggest Cat was

Something that you have to have. Oh, it's great connect. I don't understand these bands that tour don't like each other Yeah, they're making loads of money and it ignore like I really like my first guys As with and I really you know love them and I love these guys I'm with now these guys I'm with now well I mean now for like 13 14 years yeah uh I they're like my they're family to me I love them and I love being around them and I don't have a sense of abandonment with them I just think that if you've had that shit in your life you have a sense of abandonment of relationships of personal relationships and you're always expecting someone to leave i'm always thinking well that thing should be off by

now yeah that's about it you know i just have that i have that intrinsic i just can't help it i just think i just assume that i thought that the whole way through um i thought that the whole way through of every relationship I've ever been in. And I've been right a lot of times. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. Say with Gwen Stefani, the idea that you had in your head that everyone is just going to leave me. Just say Gwen and say, why not? Say Gwen or anything. I was just like, first relationship. Just say Gwyneth or anything. Say Gwyneth or anything.

I was just like first relationship. Random. Random, whatever. The idea that I'm like this too. I always think it's going to end before it starts. How do we get out of that idea that everything is just going to fucking just fall apart and makes us want to do things we shouldn't do.

I think that if anything, it's an ability to say that and to communicate. I think that if people hear that, they can give you whatever you need, whatever would help you. I think the danger of that is, and I've done it my whole life,

of feeling these things and they're not expressing it. I heard the best, there's this amazing philosopher, Alan de Botton, and he wrote this incredible thing about what sulking means. You know, sulking, when people are in a relationship and they sulk. It's such a great definition. sulking when people are in a relationship and they sulk it's such a great definition he says sulking is when one person is so deeply hurt by the other person i'm paraphrasing i'm saying memorize this but when one person is so deeply hurt by the other one in the relationship

because they've done something um the other person has done something and and they didn't um let me explain it better yeah so you're upset about the other person but you don't tell them why you just think they should love you enough to know what you're annoyed about so that your inability to describe what's upsetting you and then your partner's inability to recognize you're even upset that's sulking yeah it gets this situation it's the impasse where someone's annoyed and sulking and the other person has no clue why that what they're upset about whereas if that person instead of sulking say hey this bothered me or this trigger something in me i felt something about that what do you could you you know let's talk it through and then there's no sulking there's just pure communication right

and uh so that would be the that that's the one where things can last is when you communicate and um that is cool yeah but how do you communicate when as men as in we weren't even we didn't even know how to communicate because we couldn't even have a fucking therapist to talk to. Men started communicating three years ago. We had to step up and just say what it is. It's much like when you write your lyrics

and stuff like that. Sometimes it's really fun to just write what is true, what's truthful, what I really think about this. Because you can write it down yourself if you're being a bitch yeah you'd write it down for yourself to know about it you know right what's really bothering me you know you may want to

share your bitch qualities too quickly but you may want to look at them and say okay am i being a bitch here or am i justified you know yeah i mean time for you being a bitch versus being justified in your life yeah yeah yeah yeah and you know there's always gonna be a little mixture of both and it's okay to be a bitch sometimes because sometimes why not like fuck can't all be like stoic and perfect and strong and and right you know i think that sometimes it's okay to just like there's that world of they they call it the dialogue of intimacy. Like when you talk to your partner and you're honest about what you feel about things that your partner can't defend, they can't tell you, it's not based in fact, it's not based in, it's not about defending it.

So the other person listening cannot correct, justify explain they just have to take that person's feelings and say okay you feel this way let me let me process those feelings not my reasoning why that's not justified just like how can i do that and that's when we have true intimacy with someone this is why i needed to be British. Because you are so fucking... Like, you have such a real... America has this very... I need to be British. ...fairy tale idea of, like, romanticizing things

that really shouldn't be romanticized. Yep. You know, like, why can't we just get down to the nitty-gritty and say, you know, sometimes life fucking sucks. Sometimes we can't communicate. And we got to take the wins when we take the wins. Why do we always have to feel like we have to take a win every day when we don't feel like taking a win right i sometimes feel like people are scared to communicate too because they're scared to hear what the other person's going to say sometimes they're going to

hear something they don't want to hear you know that's true too right but then the problem is that that you know i mean imagine that but the opposite of not hearing that. Imagine that's such a disconnect. Exactly. It was someone there thinking, you know, something completely different from you. It seems such a, it's such a circuitous way to live. Like really, if you just like go, just talk

and you just figure it out, that seems to be the way. By the way, I'm, you know, I'm perfectly good at being, going all around the houses and not getting things done there's not getting things done on an ideal level save here dude what what do you think what are your like do you have any regrets in life any regrets that you should have done something differently than you did um i wish i'd i i wish i'd done some better arrangements on um razor blade suitcase i feel like i've edited some songs on that record do you listen to that I wish I'd done some better arrangements on Razorblade Suitcase. I feel like I've edited some songs on that record. Do you listen to that differently? I feel like we were a little bit...

We were a little too proud of ourselves of being a live band. We could stretch songs out. So I could have done a little bit of editing. And then outside of that, I think that... You know, like... It's incredible.

You know, life is just a series of memories. And they either crush you or they give you insight. You know, it's either wisdom or they wound you. And so the idea of living in regret just seems like such a waste of energy. You can totally say, man, I fucking way would have done that better. I did not handle that right. I got to say, I didn't handle it right. But the idea of living in regret just seems so, God.

Dreadful. It's like putting a weight on the past like why not just fucking learn from stuff and try and get a bit of wisdom so that you maybe don't do it again because that obviously as we know is the definition of madness to keep doing the same thing over and over so

no I don't I don't believe in regrets because in a weird way, everything you ever did, if you take it back to the moment you did it, there was something in you that wanted to do it. Right. I mean, I do regret once I went. I tell you, I went on a fucking one time.

I was at a fucking air show. And some fucking, my best friend came with me. And I was with my family when I was married and went up in a stupid plane, this sort of like acrobat, you know, plane acrobat, like a fucking, you know, stupid little plane. Nearer up and tied down. And for some reason, I agreed to go in that plane. I was like, I sat in this stinky ass plane really stank he was really good flyer but he was not a hygienic man too busy learning to fly we would do a couple of spirals this time i was thinking what the fuck am i doing this for the risk to reward ratio is bullshit yeah i don't

give a fuck if i cover somersaults yeah fucking sky don't fuck yourself in the fucking plane and i did it like an idiot and i was like he did a couple turns i was like you know what i'm all good we can go back down he was i i totally regret this i did not make a smart decision so i'm happy to go down at any point so i deeply regret that yeah i'd be i did that's i would never do that i would yeah fuck all that gap so don't don't fly united don't yeah so don't fly united yeah that's what we're saying don't fly boeing planes um but you know so yes the last time i ever flew southwest by the way so can you tell me why um why the band broke first time, or 2002, and then what was going on?

Well, we never broke up. This is a war of attrition. What happened is that we'd done a few records. We'd done a tour for so long, and Nigel, the guitar player, felt that he had missed his kid growing up, the first kid. He was like four or five years old, and he felt he'd missed a lot of time. So he wanted to take a break. I totally understood that.

He's a little bit older than we were, so he wanted to take a break. He was less fit. And so he wanted to be with his family, which is a beautiful idea, but, you know, you've got to work. So we took a break. Then i did a side project i did institute that took way longer because jimmy ivy i was on interscope so i wanted to be super cool and be on like matador and like you know rough trade like oh look chino's any fucking churches or

whatever do a side project and be super cool. And I used to think side projects were like a display of over-creativity. Just so creative, that's got to go and do another band. So I did that, and that took longer because they made me write for three fucking years. What? They made me write.

Give me a live stream. Yeah, it was over and over. And I was like, oh my God, this is meant to be a side project. So I did that, and then in two months this first song bulletproof skin which is a fucking good track yeah it is got whatever it did got wherever it got and then they go okay you got to do another record now and so i went i asked to do a bush

record the guys didn't want to tour still didn't want to tour so i had a bunch of songs and I went and did which is I don't agree with this I'm not into a solo Life I don't I don't I mean Jerry Cantrell is the only person I know that can be in a solo project like care about yeah Good thing is in bad. I like I personally prefer to see the band. I'm always like, you know, like I know people want to see Bush more than they want to see me. And so I didn't feel comfortable doing a solo career. Some people do it.

So as I say, I can't fold that. And, you know, I've got to be careful. So, you know, the only thing I say is about me, it's not about other people. No, totally, it's your personality. Then, then, then, um And then they didn't want to Come back then they didn't want to come back and actually the drummer only came back because I said Let's get the band together and the bass player said I could do it but for a year

Nigel didn't want to do it. I was like it but for a year no I didn't want to do it I was like do it for a year I mean like we got momentum you gotta like yeah you know I mean like this was this was by the way a long time it was like 15 years ago so therefore clearly I was intending to do it for longer than a summer yeah yeah yeah and then I just I got a new incarnation and just just did it like that so that's how so it was never uh we broke we broke up we never had an argument never fell out yeah never had any issues it just sort of that's where it went but it was kind of like it must have been heartbroken because like you know it's back to that you feeling that abandonment like your guys

didn't want to fucking ride ride with you again. Did that fucking bum you out? Sort of but I had already I've been doing the band I've never Chris joined in 2002 Helped out coverage first in 2002 So I already had Chris and I was really friendly with Chris and then when I did the solo record, I had Corey that I met. He just was the best bass player I'd ever played with. I really enjoyed him. And so yes and no.

Because sometimes with Chris, I was excited about my friendship with Chris. You know, we're like best friends. And it was like, okay, fuck. You know, yeah, I was surprised, but it was like there was an exciting solution right in front of me. You know, you guys have noticed that the biggest problems in your life, or the biggest answers, biggest questions that you'll ever have, the answers are always super close.

They're never far. They're never far. I'm always like looking far away for answers when I just go look close that's where your answer is right and so I had Chris and I had Corey and then I got the Robin to come back so that's how that worked out it was you know as again that you know I think things work out how, how they should. I don't, but I don't believe in to that question about regrets. Life is how it should be. Even the worst bits,

even the most painful bits. It just, it just isn't. Things. I feel there's an order of things. Um, so I'm not completely stone cold, nothing.

There's no energy in the atmosphere. There's something. So I believe we are where we should be. You're atheist, but not that atheist. Well, no, because I don't believe in God. I don't believe in a higher power. Right, right. As a kid, I mean, as a kid, I went to my schools in England.

I sang Latin hymns every day. Right. It's crazy. I went to church every day. So I often think that my musical training and my kind of understanding of melody and cadences is from hymns. It's from hearing hymns my whole life. Because that was the big training, that and Motown. When did you realize God...

Oh, sorry. But definitely... Yeah. that was the big training that motown you know yeah when did you realize god radio but oh sorry but definitely yeah no i hear that but what when do you realize that uh god doesn't exist well i i just always thought that i couldn't when i was a kid and small in church, I'd be looking around going, come on. Same thing, dude. Yeah. I'd be like, I look around and be like,

what we all want, you know, come on. I mean, it just seems so far fetched. It still does. I just can't believe that people, I just feel that people, yeah,

just, it just, it just, it never resonates. Here's a fun fact. I have a half-brother. My dad was married, his first marriage. My half-brother was a vicar, then he became a bishop.

There's only 12 bishops in England. Wow. He became a bishop, and he's the worst person I've ever had to deal with. Man, I mean, they are narcissists sometimes. They're narcissists. The people that get that far in religion have grows. They're smart, but they're very obsessive themselves. I had to deal with him since when my father died.

He left me as a trustee. And with my brother, who I don't really know that well, just the two of us. So it's been super Shakespearean, like awful. Two polar opposite people trying to manage a very modest sort of estate. It's been torturous. And so, yeah, the worst, you know, and that's someone who's given his life to religion. sort of estate was being torturous and so

yeah the worst you know and that's someone who's given his life to religion it's like nonsense what's he say to you

being an atheist how does he does he try to get you back to the dark side oh we have no we have no connection we have no connection I had a sort of

we've had so we have we connection. We have no connection. I had a sort of a... We just have to deal with... I have to look after my step. Whatever. We have some business that we have to deal with. I have nothing to do with it. Nothing to do with it. I had a conversation about that.

I mean, whatever. I want to go quickly back to the past about your mom. Did she ever apologize for abandoning you? Sort of. I mean, I have a great relationship with her now. I totally forgave her. And she's my mom. Brought me into the world.

And I always took it as a, yeah, yeah, one time. Yeah, sort of. There's a lot of stuff that is kind of unsaid. But, you know, I don't live in that kind of regret with her. You know, she brought me into the world. I think she went through a rough time where she just was not happy. And the weirdest thing is that it always made me feel, I mean, obviously it broke me in many ways, but in some ways,

but I really took it objectively as like, many ways, but in some ways, but, um, I really took it objectively as like, you know, adults get it wrong all the time. It's your first time doing it. Like, it's funny because I see people in church and I go, oh, come on. Like, really? And then when that kind of shit goes on and that stuff, I just think that she was just really unhappy living there. The last couple of years were quite difficult because she's just upset in the house.

And so that was quite contentious anger, you know? So there is anger. And then, and then I just like, gosh, she's fucking unhappy. She's an unhappy person.

I just reconcile that. And then when she was gone, I just like, gosh, she's fucking unhappy. She's an unhappy person. I just wrecked and stuff like that. And then when she was gone, I just like, I don't know, I just gone with it. It was weird. Yeah. Very weird. Sometimes closure for that kind of stuff works to kind of like move on with it. Yeah. I was always thought of.

Can't change it. Can't change it. I like this idea. It's like the regret thing. I think that people could be allowed to be human You know Humans We're all so flawed

It's all about forgiveness Daily Just forgiving people For just Because You know When we hold on to things And we judge people

As we all do We try not to You end up carrying that burden It becomes a burden A large burden And with forgiveness and perspective and not taking things personally to seeing other people on their journey you're suddenly not carrying all that baggage right right don't take it personal i mean i

i think that the biggest trick of life best life hack ever is don't think take things personally yeah you know when you think so personally so true everything but if you just take the view that stop being done to us you know yes it's just it's a reflection of other people everything is a reflection of other people how they behave you know how we react is the reflection of us you could just choose you know and that's where i have uh buddhist spiritual leaning because that's the buddhist teachings and all these interesting i was reading um i do like these maharaj this guy you know i'm not my mind it's pretty my mind is not my problem

it's my mind's problem i'm not my mind yeah by the way all these they're all part of these lyrics that happen in these songs i i'm not my mind it By the way, all these, they're all part of these lyrics that happen in these songs. I, I'm not my mind. It's such a great idea, isn't it? Like, if you're seriously worried

about something, you can just say, hang on a minute. It's just my mind that's worried. That's not me. It's my mind. Let my mind worry. Leave it alone.

And you don't feed it. We, you know, that's the power in letting go. The de-attaching of mind is freedom right yeah if you detach yourself from your mind

you're just going to let your mind the British no that's Indian that's not true that's not British literally an Indian mystic so I guess you know like my first question about regret, you answered.

So my question about forgiving yourself is answered too. Because if you're not worried about the past, then you've already forgave. Yeah. You do have to forgive yourself. And it's a battle because, you know, you feel that all these concepts, you know, before you think about it, it's like the weeds of regret or the weeds of beating yourself up. You know,

I'm really self punitive, punitive. Super ego is my psychiatric evaluation. So all the time you have to beat those things away because the natural instinct is to take responsibility, take it personally, fuck it up into the next thing, fuck it up into the next meeting

you have because you're annoyed about what happened earlier. All these things you just let go. You just let go. These burdens. That's how I live at my best. That's what I believe in. Is that a marijuana?

Did you ever get into substance abuse or anything? at my best. That's what I believe in. Is that a marijuana? Yeah. Did you ever get into substance abuse or anything? Yeah. I've self-medicated my whole life. I was in London. That's what I got.

But yeah, anything like heroin or coke or some bad stuff? No? Well, no. The thing is, in England, everybody does cocaine so i

just never liked it but even not liking it meant that like once every two weeks i have to like spend a dumb night with my friends talking bullshit waiting i'll be like oh my god you love denver i never i don't like it's just the worst thing about, well, the best thing about cocaine for me is that it's shit for, for being creative. So I never, it's just the worst. It's the worst. Yeah.

Oh, like I, you know, I mean, I haven't, it's not my thing, but back in the day, you know,

growing up in London, it's like everywhere. It's like, uh, so I'd be like, try and write on it and see how, how interesting can I be? And I read the next morning, I've got absolutely not interesting one bit fucking useless so you know where i grew

up you know um i grew up in the center of london so it's super druggie uh clubs and whatever like that but you literally there's two factions one faction is is the kind of, you know, what you'd now call, you know, weed or molly or, you know, just drugs that are social, drugs that are interactive, whatever, just fun and, you know, but work with their fun. You know, when you get into the, and then there's the other side, which is the heroin crack meth those kind of that's when drugs of people's vocation is so broken yeah fucking so right that that they

those drugs help those breaks they don't that that's those drugs and so i grew up with tons of people that have died of heroin overdoses uh smack addicts. They're not dead from it. Their whole life is defined by whether they're using or not. Hey, how are you doing? How is this? Brilliant. I've been sober for three months. Oh, brilliant.

Not like anything they've created, anything they're doing. It's just a battle with the drugs. So there's a dividing line really clear for me um because i'm from london so i'm really well versed in all this stuff uh and i just never had any interest in nihilism you know i was broken but i am broken but i'm but i love music so much and i love performing and i don't want to do stuff that makes me sing for and. And you know, you can't be a good singer if you're just doing loads of coke and just fucking bullshit. So no, I'm not into anything heavy. I'm just sort of much more... I'm a lot of fun.

Yeah. Do you drink or no? Yeah. Fuck yeah. Of course, I'm English. Exactly. Yeah. So the best part I remember once being on tour with my drummer and uh he caught up a friend of his in glasgow and he goes uh the guy goes hey you want to go out for a drink he goes no no i'm i'm not

drinking right now i'm clean he goes okay you want to go for a beer then that's so good that's fucking amazing glasgow's gonna move to glasgow i'm moving to glasgow um just to be you know i do also because i like i like alcohol with food and yeah so but i've been doing this thing i was thinking i was drinking too regularly i don't ever drink low so in a night i'm not like a 10 beers yeah uh guy but you know it's really hard six you know comes around the day and it's like a cold beer and a cold glass yeah feels really good so i have to just i just did that crazy water fast i did three and a half day dana white inspired me to do the 80 hour water fast hold on on. Only water? Only water?

No vitamins? Nothing? Just water? Well, I did a black coffee. Two cups of black coffee for two, three mornings. I was like, oh my god. This would be so good when I could put milk in it. Yeah, three days. Three and a half days.

How'd your body react to that? How'd your body react? It was fucking great. Really happy, like so good, like amazing. I totally looked like I had like, you know, it really looked like I had a facelift because I was like, you know, I was like, okay, I look a certain way.

Yeah, I'm getting older, so it's okay. I'm not cracking as much as I could crack, but I'm cracking and drooping and dropping, whatever life goes on but then when i did that three other so there's like i was like i was like oh shit maybe maybe the chocolate and beer isn't good for me luckily you had a high ceiling to begin with yeah i was like damn i really was like oh my god i was like looking at the side really like you know um and then it what it does is it just resets your mind to just want to be clean and not drink every day so i was like you know drink every day every other day yeah and i just drink

i mean that went away and i'm back to drinking every day yeah but i'm going to do it again so that it's crazy you know my life is one craving to another. That's a very Buddhist concept. Holy shit. A bit of craving. My life is a fucking series of stepping stones through the day, but all the cravings that I have. Yeah.

And what makes me happy, it's weak, but I have my cravings. It's crazy. This man has seen it all. And now you're a great dad. Like you learned from how you wanted to be a dad from seeing how your dad treated you to now you're taking those lessons of what you don't want to do and approaching it to your kids. Yeah.

Yeah. Fucking amazing. So, yeah, I mean, I was always accused of being the one with the least discipline because I basically, yeah, it's a competition. I wanted the best household. Yeah. Fucking amazing. So, yeah, I mean, I was always accused of being the one with the least discipline because I basically, yeah,

it's a competition. I wanted the best household. Yeah. So I wanted the best fucking time. Right. On the best video game, the best fucking anything. Just make it great when they come in,

it's a win, you know? And, and, so all I've ever been really big on is manners. Like I'm really super big on like, you know, how they eat and how they meet people and how they look in people's eyes.

And I say to them, you know, be funny and be polite. And, you know, life is going to open up for you because I think the most crucial thing for kids, uh,

if you have kids, the most crucial, uh, thing is that just make your kids likable. Just make your kids like, yeah. Cause if the kids are not like, well,

if they're shitty kids, they're going to have a shitty life. It's shitty friends. Yeah, it's true. No future. Make them likable, make them cool,

make them like aware of other people, like thoughtful, funny. You people, thoughtful, funny. That's all that I've figured that matters. You know the funniest thing about my kids? They've all become crazy musicians now. I never pushed it. I have a studio here,

and now I've got two great guitar players. My eldest son is singing and playing, and so is my 15-year-old. And really, way better than I ever was. I mean, much better than I ever was. I'm like, much better than I ever was. And they're impressive. And the 10-year-old is now into piano, and he has lessons every week. He's been playing like maybe three months now.

He's really good. He can play Interstellar. I sit with him in my studio. He says, just play that. Play that. Play that. Please just play that song. He can do a different thing.

I'm like, blows me away. It's going to be like Partridge Family over there at the Rostow Family? Are you guys going to all join a band? No, no, no. Not at all. Not at all. Not at all. Because I'm not going to. What's beautiful about it is that they do it independently of me.

It's not like I'm not getting... I'm not in the band, you know? I'm not doing it with them. They might ask me something sometimes, but they really... They have to. I find it really primal. Like, they have to be independent of me.

I don't do it so that they're, like, leaning on me. Right. You know, you almost just turn their back on you become independent young man so when they go off and learn their things i mean obviously they've got great guitar pedals and they've got right they've got all these fucking guitars they can you know i just went to storage with my 15 year old the other day he's like i'll take that strap i'll take that that bass you know because it's in storage and he's got great great guitars and i think there's nothing wrong with them having it they all started with terrible guitars which right but it's much more fun as musicians you understand

when it sounds good it's much more fun totally it sounds good so dude i get a good sound for them i just basically you know to get a really wicked sound. But the 15-year-old, the other one doesn't want my help. And I like that. I like that, too. They play Green Day. They play Foo Fighters. It's made me really appreciate it. I always loved Everlong, but what a fucking great song.

That guy can write, man. Dave's in the Valley, too. Do you guys talk? Do you guys hang? You and Dave? He lives in the Valley. Well, we've spent many, many years together because our three... It's a bit like Fiddler on the Roof or something because my three sons went to the same

school as his three daughters. Oh, wow. I love it. It's pretty funny. We're good at school assemblies. It's like me, Dave, Paul Stanley, his kids, or his son went there. Whoa. Yeah. Rockstar High School.

So I go pretty, like, with me and Dave, it was a tricky beginning. We didn't get on at first. And then we saw each other a lot i did a bush record i recorded drums at um uh studio 666 whatever his studio is called yeah um well he's really great i i love him i wish i could see him more we we live close by but um he's uh i i don't know i think i like him more than likes me um gavin thanks for being on the show you're the best um keep rocking i can't wait to hear I don't know. I like him more than he likes me. Gavin, thanks for being on the show.

You're the best. Keep rocking. I can't wait to hear the new record, and thanks for being so vulnerable. Later. Bye. Thank you. Bye.

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