Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - Ep 284: Lindsay Lou

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

Big shows coming up! Catch the boys on the road with Pigeons Playing Ping Pong and Dogs In A Pile as they come into a town near you (you read that right). Plus: a tribute to opening bands around the world. And huge congrats to our boy, Dolav Cohen as he gets married... to someone other than Andy?! He's all growned up and we're happy as heck for our brother. And support our boys in Big Something as they throw their legendary festival, The Big What?! But the real juice in this episode is on the Interview Hour this week, cuz we're delighted to have Lindsay Lou on the talking block! guess what... you might see a cool dog by the name of Denzel should you choose to watch this episode *exclusively* on Volume.com... now in color!  Generally speaking, we are psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker Shawn Eckels Andee Avila

Now, a message from the UN. Alright boys, let's show them who we are. We're in the opening band. We're in the opening band. We're in the opening band. Our monitors have no bass. We get no parking space. We're in the opening band. We get no artist pass. Bartender serves us last.

We're in the opening band. Can't get in VIP. Cause nobody knows me. We're in the opening bed. Can't get in VIP cause nobody knows me. We're in the opening bed. Won't let me bring in my sister or use the headline as pisser. We're in the opening bed.

Let's start the show. And we're live Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast I'm Andy Frasco How's our heads? How's our minds? How's my favorite co-host And everyone's favorite trivia star Nick Gerlach doing

Pretty well You're making a name out of yourself for this trivia thing I know, fuck, it's going to ruin my entire music career favorite trivia star, Nick Gerlach. Pretty well. You're making a name out of yourself for this trivia thing. I know. Fuck, it's going to ruin my entire music career. I'm going to end up just a trivia guy. Although, you can do trivia older. What if you were like a game show host?

I would love that, actually. Yeah, it'd be awesome. I'm doing it at Big What. I'm basically doing it. I'm going to host a game show second day at Big What this weekend. It'll be pretty fun. How's everyone going? How are you feeling on this? I'm feeling great host a game show Second day at Big What this weekend So it'll be pretty fun How's everyone going? How are you feeling on this? I'm feeling great

You're home Surprisingly feel really good Yeah Did you went to trivia last night? Yeah, well I did 8 shows in 11 days And I thought I'd be a fucking dog shit Yesterday you were like I'll get out of here

I'll get out of here I don't know I just felt like I was bothering you No, I was just Just self-aware Yeah I'm just like I was bothering you No I was just I'm just self aware Yeah I'm just like Trying to sleep

I'd rather be Less than You know Just too little And too much You know Sitting on your couch And watching television

Is so awesome Bro it's the greatest Drug on earth Holy shit It's so much better Than booze Dude it's so much better Than just chilling at a bar

God I love it What happened to me I don't love it I think I'm just getting older You just didn't do it enough. You were on the road. You can't really do it when you're on the road,

but now you're home sometimes and you can actually sit down and just enjoy yourself. Yeah. I watched so many documentaries and fell asleep through all of them. It was awesome. Yeah, but you only need

the first half of any documentary. They're all too long anyway. Yeah, they are. They're all getting too long. Every Netflix documentary is like a three episode. Yeah, it's like you don't need to stretch shit out anymore.

It's like we already know. You told us what happened. Yeah, it's like you told us in the beginning to trigger us in and now you're going to like expand it like just stretching out what suspense that... What are you, a jam band? Where'd you go this time? East Coast. East Coast. The Beast Coast. Yeah, the Hamptons.

Ooh. Nantucket. I love Nantucket so much The Beast Coast. Yeah, the Hamptons. Ooh. Nantucket. I love Nantucket so much. I've never been, but it seems cool. Chicken Box, is that the Nantucket spot? Cape Cod, I love, too. Really? All these, like, see, I want to get rich enough to have, like, a second house in one of those,

like, East Coast. Like, G-Love. I want to be like G-Love. Yeah, I mean, that's a good guy to be like. Yeah. He seems pretty happy. He seems happy. He's surfing.

He's like, hey, man, I can't co-collaborate on your post yet i'm going surfing i'm like okay i'm like fuck i mean i saw the background on the zoom interview he looks like he's doing pretty well yeah nice house he got that song got that money baby he got the sauce he's got the sauce but i like doing i like summer tours like at those beach towns everyone's happy yeah like off work and they're're at their side house. And they're rich, so they're not anxious about other stuff when they're off work. They're like, oh, cool, I'm not at work. Yeah.

I like Baltimore a lot. I love that city. It's such a fucking awesome city. Great baseball stadium if you ever have a game there. Yeah. I went to a game there one time, and we were touring through there 8x10 or whatever. Yeah. It's right by there.

It's fucking beautiful. We didn't have any duds. I think we sold out almost everything. Oh again rich rich rich rich no the small venues but we sold a thousand tickets in wilmington that's a lot i mean wilmington's not like a big city yeah that's hard i love you know i gotta i gotta give credit where credit's due john bongiorno bonnie my fucking agent love that guy. He's the fucking man. We're about to hang out. He's coming to town,

but you're going to be out of town. He just, he did, he, Crungbin was just at the two nights of the Hollywood Bowl. Sold 35,000 tickets. That's how big the Hollywood Bowl is? 18 each.

Oh, I didn't know it was that big. I thought it was like Red Rock size. Good for you, Jon. I'm so happy for you. But also, like, he knew. He needs to buy those baseball cards. Yeah, he needs to buy it. I want him to get the big boy one. That real fancy one that's like millions

of dollars. Honus Wagner? Yeah. That's like, what, 80 million though? I don't know. It's like two of them. But he always knows what to do on the last week in a tour. What do you mean? He'll always put the best shows at the last week in a tour. That's smart. Yeah, it's very smart.

It's like, you don't want to be like, you don't want to play the shittiest shows at the end. You want to do... It should be in the middle, actually. Yeah, you want to do the shittiest shows in the middle. You want to have a really good start and a really good end. A reverse bell curve. That's why everyone's happy. At the end of that show, it was like such a...

Wilmington was such a great crowd for us. Everyone's hugging. My band was hugging each other. It was crazy. We were hanging out. Sean's birthday party lasted 48 fucking hours. Hell yeah. What a blast, though.

46. Sean's 46 years old. I wouldn't guess he's a day over 35. He looked young as shit, dude. Having a hot wife is good for you. Yeah, and like he's like, he's starting to wear like sleeveless shirts. So he's like, all his tats are out. I'm like, damn,

this dude's, I think Sean's hot. Sean's hot. Yeah, for sure. He has a lot of tattoos. Dude, he got tatted up so hard the last year. They look like prison tattoos, you know, like when you just have like a bunch of random tattoos. I like that sometimes. If you have a lot of them, sometimes if you have a lot of them though you have a lot of them yeah yeah he's hot for sure man you know he's a good lover too yeah vigorous energetic lover floyd was sick of us by the end of the tour dude he's like fuck it oh yeah like you're not sick of his routine

dirty he's always dirty covered in dirtly making it to stage on time. Yeah, then we go to his house in Nantucket. It's like a fancy-ass house. Yeah, remember you were in his studio? What the fuck is going on here? He put that video up of you in his studio, and I was like, Floyd has a nice studio. He has his own studio. It's sick as fuck.

I thought he just had headphones and a laptop. He's got a real studio. Bathroom somewhere. The woman who created the studio In Nantucket Who built it for Floyd She's like one of the Owners of Google That's a good company

I realize Nantucket is run by women Which is fucking awesome Because all the sailors Would go out and go fish The fishermen stuff And the women had to take care of the island. Like Perfect Storm. Yeah. That's basically what that is. The movie Perfect Storm. Yeah.

So shout out to fucking bad bitches. Without the tragic ending. Speaking of bad bitches, we got Lindsay Lou on the show tonight. Oh man, she was so soothing. Oh my god, her voice is so... Dude, you guys are going to hear this interview. She is so soothing. Cancel your CallMap subscription for this month. you can just use this yeah this is yeah instead just well i

like when she thought about stuff she's like yeah i love when people do that i like yeah when they actually think about not just like verbally diarrhea i had a teacher like that in college every time you would ask him something he's a philosophy teacher and every time you ask him something you go for like a minute and you just sit there and then you answer i love that sad story about him he retired he died the day after he retired see this is why you don't retire don't ever retire you will die you will die and then but he just taught philosophy like what are you retiring from yeah reading books and talking about your favorite thing all day you're basically instead of yeah a lot doing philosophy for kids you're doing it with your wife yeah exactly but yeah tour was great

yeah everything's fun I'm heading to LA so I'm like big wedding Dolav's getting married Dolav Cohen the one that got away everyone thought he was going to be my gay lover yesterday well yesterday I was

talking to Andy and I was like why are you going to be my gay lover. Yesterday, well, yesterday I was talking to Andy. Yesterday I was talking to Andy and I was like, why are you going to LA? I figured you're going there to work with Candy on a track. You're like, Dolov's wedding. I was like, Cohen? Dolov Cohen? As if there's like 40 Dolovs. He's getting married.

I'm happy for him. I am too. I don't know if I'm happy for her, but I'm definitely happy for him. I'm just kidding. I'm sure she's great. I got to say a speech. I've been working on it.

How long? I don't know. It'm just kidding. I'm sure she's great. I got to say a speech. I've been working on it. How long? I don't know. It feels super long. But it's like, I'm really looking forward to it because... Just speak from the heart, man. A lot of my friends

that do speeches, that have done speeches for all the weddings, they just get real annoying about it. Why? They just make it about them. Oh, I hate that. Yeah.

And I don't want to do that. Keep it under three minutes. Speak from the heart. Everyone's like, two of my friends maybe get a haircut. My boy Danny. Danny Zagari just had a kid too. Congratulations Danny. Everyone's growing up besides our degenerate ass.

We're out here at fucking trivia and then going to the Don's Tavern at two. I went to Don's after trivia. Or Vesper. I don't even... Vesper Lounge or something? I went to Vesper. Where's that? I wanted to...

I don't know. I was driving. But where is that? It's right next to my house. Oh, that place. Yes, yes, yes. They got good burgers. Burgers?

But I'm trying not to eat late night. I know, but you're skinny. You can eat a little late night. I don't know. I've put on some LBs. You bulking up? Well, that's just all muscle mass, I think. Thanks, Nick.

God, you're such a great friend. Pure muscle, baby. Lean muscle. Lean muscle. Everyone's having kids, and we just talked to Magnus. Like, yeah, I love my kids. I know. And we're out here.

So, is that hard? Is that hard? I know. It's so weird when people talk to us about how they love being a dad and we're just like, yeah, we're losers. I don't know. I always feel like a loser when they talk about that. But it's better than being the other way about it and being like,

I hate when people who don't have kids are mean to people who do have kids, like they're idiots or something. It's like, no, actually, you're the one that's being the idiot. You're supposed to biologically have a kid. But there's nothing wrong with not having a kid, but don't be a dick to parents. It's hard. Don't be a dick to parents. They're hard. Don't be a dick to parents.

They're raising the people that are going to take care of you when you're in a nursing home because you're going to be in a nursing home because you didn't have kids. Yeah. Kids are fun, man.

I'm not around them very much, but people are too hard on kids. You know? I know. Parents can be more annoying than kids, but... They're very more annoying. Yeah.

Kids are chill, man. They got to imagine... They're fun to talk to. Yeah. How they see the world. It's like, whoa... They're very more annoying. Yeah. Kids are chill, man. They got to imagine... They're fun to talk to. Yeah. How they see the world. It's like, whoa, you're like a dog. I know. Guys, we're starting the Pigeons Frasco Dogs Tour this week.

Woo! Big shows. Let's hear some of those. Pier 17 in New York. We're already at 2,600 tickets. Dream venue. Yeah. We need to sell about 900 more, guys.

Is that the rooftop one? Yeah. Okay, that's sick. That's like the coolest venue in New venue. Yeah. We need to sell about 900 more, guys. Is that the rooftop one? Okay, that's sick. That's like the coolest venue in New York. Yeah. And then we're playing Worcester. We're playing Charlottesville Devil's Backbone. That'll be fun. Oh, cool. Birmingham. Birmingham. Then I'm doing my own show at Bearsville Theater. Alabama?

Yeah. Oh, I didn't know you were going all the way down there. Yeah, we're doing... I can't remember other dates. Where's Bears Theater again? Virginia Beach I'm excited about. Oh, yeah. We played Outer going all the way down there. Yeah, we're doing... I can't remember other dates. Where's Bears Theater again? Virginia Beach, I'm excited about. Oh, yeah, we played Outer Banks, too. That was a fucking party, too. They get down on the Outer Banks. They made a whole Netflix show about it. Where's Bears Theater again?

Woodstock. Oh, that's right. We played there. Yeah, it was fun. So head over, and we'll be streaming them on volume.com. Live stream company of the century. Yes. Watch out, nugs. There's a new competitor in town, baby.

I like that word, calling out nugs. I'm going to get in the comments on some of those live streams. Do it with me tomorrow. It's fun. Are you doing one tomorrow? I'm doing one tomorrow. I'll get in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But like during your show, I'll get in there a little bit. I like the chat. I like being in the chat. I like it, but yeah, it's fun. It's fun. And like our fans, they're nice. They're fucking nice. No one called me fat or a loser. Yeah.

Like drug bands. Yeah, some drug bands are just like fuck, I should have played this better. Our fans are like, hey Andy, so what'd you eat today? I'm like, I love you guys. Nick, ask us another question. Yeah, we played trivia. Yeah, we played a little light trivia and you gave away some merch. Yeah. So if you get in there, you might get a free Andy t-shirt. Yeah. So once a week we're going to be doing, we played trivia. Yeah, we played a little light trivia, and you gave away some merch. Yeah.

So if you get in there, you might get a free indie t-shirt. Yeah. So once a week, we're going to be doing... We're going to be doing... We're replaying some of the old Pigeons dog shows from last tour. Oh, that's why you're doing it. Okay. Yeah, I'll hop in there tomorrow. Hop in.

Yeah. But Volume.com, they're the best. They take care of us. They take care of me and Nick very well. Yes. They hired us a staff. They got us all taken care of so we could... We got Marty. We got Marty.

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diarrhea about it. I would be too. He's stressed out. Tough world, that Magic game, I guess. I don't know anything about it. No idea. Very interesting skill to have. Yeah.

Seems like he got good at it really fast. Yeah, he was good. He was pulling it out at the Volume corporate party last year. I'm like, oh, damn, Constance, you're doing good. I do like a good card trick. So head to volume.com. They're the best staff. They take care of everyone and uh you might as well start subscription companies because uh

that's the future we're trying to keep music alive people and we can't make money off royalties off apple so we need to support your bands in different way fans and that's through subscription yep all right guys we're gonna keep this short because the Lindsay Liu interview was... Six hours. Six hours. It was a six hour because we just loved hearing her talk. We cut it down to five and a half.

Yeah, she was just like so soothing. I was like mesmerized and she's just so cool. Yeah. If you don't know, hey, Chris, play some Lindsay Liu while we're pimping her out. Stunning, beautiful.

She's married to Kyle Tuttle. Oh, yeah. One of our favorites. One of the great interviews of the World Saving Podcast archives. You can find that at volume.com. We talk about life.

We talk about her growing up in Michigan. She was around Billy and Strains and Traverse City. It's cold as fuck out there. I love playing there, though. It's fun. It's pretty. Michigan's pretty I love playing there though It's fun It's pretty Michigan's pretty A little prude for me They used to have a little girlfriend up there

Michigan's a little prude The crowd's a little prude I mean they're rich up there It's a lake town Those are rich people It's like Nantucket vibe Midwest Nantucket Midwest Nantucket

Kind of is That's true But you're going to love this interview Then next week is Aaron Magner I think or no next week is you and I yeah then Magner that was a great one we just did Aaron Magner's

that was fucking awesome that boy can talk and he's smart he's smarter than both of us he said foibles and he said he should be talking not Barber or Brownie. No, they're cool.

He should be the one being the representative of that band. No, they should all be the representative. Yeah, you're right. It would be funny if Alan was, though. Yeah. It's always the keyboard players. Joel Cummins is a smart motherfucker. It's a hard instrument.

Yeah. It takes a lot of intelligence to play it. What are you saying? Observing the piano. Saying that I'm smart? I think you're smart. I've never said you're not smart in my life, actually. I play piano.

That's what I say. I've never once implied that you're not smart. Why are you acting like you do? No, I'm saying you think I'm smart. Yeah. What the fuck is wrong with you? I just said it four times. You missed me.

I missed you. We haven't hung out in a long time. Yeah, we've been different states. Different states. You missed me. I missed you. We haven't hung out in a long time. Yeah, we've been different states. Different states. We're going to do that Big What here next week, too. Hell yeah, that's going to be a vibe. I'm going to be hanging all weekend.

Yeah, we'll hang out. You'll be there the first night, and then I'm staying. Good. If anybody wants to hang out with me, text me. Yeah, go show some work. I'll hang out. I'll come to your campsite. We're doing a live podcast at the Big What. Also, this weekend is the Big What.

Come on, guys. Head out to North Carolina. Support the boys at Big Something. Yep. We are doing... Late Night Radio's on it. Mark Brownstein's doing a set. And I'm surprised because it comes out Tuesday.

The band may or may not be with me. Wink, wink, wink at Big What. There may or may not have been a Radius Clause thing. There may or may not have been a radius clause. There may or may not have been a radius clause. The secret Andy Frasco jam. We had to call it the secret Andy Frasco jam, but really, maybe wink, wink, wink, my band will be here. I should auction off a thing like, I'll come sit at your campsite with you and your homies for

two hours and we'll just shoot the shit. He just did all our drugs and left. He didn't talk at all. He just stared at everyone. He asked us all what we do for. He didn't talk at all. He just stared at everyone. He asked us all what we do for a living. And then walked away. And he said, mm. Alright, guys. Enjoy Lindsay Lou.

And we'll catch you next week where Nick and I will just shoot the shit. It was hard to do the shoot the shit on Zoom. I like it better. I feel more comfortable. Well, it's always better. It was pretty good, though good it's funny shit in there it was getting used to it riverside yeah too all right guys goodbye bye absolutely nothing nothing for the show she's feeling helpless like there's nowhere left to go

things she set out to do is she made sure we're done She's feeling dismal but she's not the only one Take time to listen to the lonely ones Watch how the pain lives underneath the skin Forgotten words and lost love won't make a thing Wow, a real life angel is on our show today. Wow. Lindsay Lou, how you doing? Pretty good, how you doing?

What is it like being Lindsay Lou? That's my first question. Oh boy. I mean, you know, I think like anybody, there's a lot. But it's cool. I'm like, Kyle and I just bought our first house. What? Kyle Tuttle. So that's been sort of like consuming me. Cause I'm like,

I love nesting so much. Like everywhere I go, when I tour, when I, if I'm on like van and trailer tour, I bring everything and my kitchen sink. And I like, we've,

I like try to book string of Airbnbs because I love being home. And my bass player is always teasing me because after the gig, I'll be like, all right, let's go home now. Because it's like wherever I create a home, wherever I go. And I love that. I'm an Aries with my son's sign on the fourth house. I love to nest. So does that mean it makes touring a little more comfortable

because you can make a home everywhere? Some people don't have that in their brain, and that's why they hate touring. Yeah, I do feel like everywhere I go, I'm home. And I've been touring so hard since 2011. I've never really stopped. Even during the pandemic, it's like I found a way. I started doing the Riverbender grass thing and outdoor things.

There's really only been three months there in the thick of the pandemic where I wasn't off doing something. So, you know, I like, I don't know, maybe I've, I've, yeah, I think maybe I've, I love to nest so much and I love creating home wherever I go that I always feel like I'm home. And I do think because I've been doing it for so long, it's like, and in the early days, you know, you do so many homestays. It's like anybody's home is my home at this point. It's like I walk into anybody's house and open up the fridge because it just feels right. Right. Have you always been an independent person or have you always had like relationships? both i'm like a chronic monogamer i've been i've been in a like long-term relationship since i was 14 you know i've basically had i'm basically on my third husband here um but i had like

i had like a boyfriend in high school and we lived together in high school and in the first couple years of college. And then I met Josh, and I was with Josh for 13 years. And we've toured together for all of it. And now I've been with Kyle for... This is almost year... I think we're about to start year four. Is that right? No.

Yes. Yeah. Something like that. But I'm also like independent almost to a fault, you know? So it's like I've always had a partner. I've always been with somebody. And it basically goes like right from one person to the next person. And I've not really ever been single.

Which sometimes I wonder about myself with that. But I also am like, you know, I don't know. I'm very much doing my own thing all the time. You know? Yeah, it's kind of fascinating. I don't know. I'm very much doing my own thing all the time. Yeah, it's kind of fascinating. What is it about always being in a relationship that you need to distract you, but you're also so independent? Do you need both to have a balanced life?

I think so. I think so. I'm a little bit obsessed with the notion of balance. And I think that that's, you know, I don't know. I guess so. I think that's it. What you just said.

What? Fascinating. Do you think, do you think your independence makes you a better partner though too, because you're not so codependent on them and they can also have their own independent life, too? Yeah, totally. You know, it's not that I haven't had my flings with codependence, you know, but I try to be self-aware. self-aware. I think I'm very self-aware and really invested in self-reflection and evolution in a self-reflective way. It's like I do the therapy every two weeks and have been doing it for the last several years and and um you know just try to

keep myself honest with myself you know I think that where it's like the easiest to become dishonest with yourself and that's like the first the first thing you have to keep your keep some some eyes on. So, yeah. Anyway, that being said, I have had my flings with codependence, but I don't think that it's in my nature to be that kind of person. Have you ever had codependence problems

outside of relationships or music? Is there anything outside of relationships and music? Maybe family, drugs. Is there a world out there? What about drugs? Is there a world out there? Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, I'm on this, like, very frustrating ride with tobacco

and have been for, I like, I I was a you know epic pothead for a decade I've smoked weed all day every day and and was I guess codependent with that I think I need I guess I need to think about codependent in terms of that I always think about it in terms of a relationship, right? Where you're like encouraging some, you like want to uphold this. Yeah, I guess I can see how that would work. But anyway, I wanted to get a clear head.

So I took my first year off of all substances in 2017. I called it Sober 17. substances in 2017. I called it Sober 17. And I started smoking tobacco as like a, like, cause I love ritual, you know, ritual is like really important to me. I'm kind of like a space cadet and rituals like keep me grounded. And so, um, you know, I wanted to have a clear head and tobacco gave me the ritual but didn't make me stone for the next whatever 20 minutes before i wanted to smoke again um and that was kind of dumb obviously because you know they say tobacco is harder to quit than cocaine, which I have definitely found to be true. It is. I feel that way, too. And it's also not.

One of the most addictive substances. It's also not. It's like, I've listened to Alan Carr's Easy Way to Quit Smoking twice now, and I really do believe everything that he says is true. He kind of frames it as like, you know, it's not really about the nicotine addiction, which we know. It's like after like a day or two, the nicotine is gone from your body. And it's like he calls it the nicotine addiction is the little monster. Like everything that surrounds it is the big monster. And the big monster is like all the triggers that you have and this idea that you have, this idea that we tell ourselves that it's hard.

It's like every time you tell yourself that it's hard, you're reinforcing it being hard. And every time somebody else says that to you or you try to replace it with something else, and he goes about the whole book just sort of dispelling all the myths about smoking. And it's really good and i like all last year i would do two months off i was basically like a month and a half off month and a half on so i would quit for a month and a half and i would smoke for

a month and a half because i like the hardest thing for me is just being restrictive. I like, I love sort of self-denial of things, but also there's like this rebel, this like teenager, toddler in me that's like, well, you know, I don't want to do that. Or I want to do that. You know, whether or not I want to or not, it's like I just don't want to do that. Or I want to do that. You know, whether or not I want to or not, it's like I just don't want to be told no. Right. You know, I don't want to tell myself no even.

And that's been the hardest thing, I think, to get over. But it's like just realizing that you actually don't want it is the easiest way to stop. You know? Yeah. But know? Yeah. But it's like, and so then this year I like thought I really gave it up for, for, for real. And I didn't smoke for three months, basically January, February, March, half of April.

And, and then I was just at this chick's house in, in Nevada city and she had this cool yurt that I was staying in. And it was a beautiful day, and I was like, man, I just would love to smoke a cigarette on the deck of this yurt. And I didn't. I didn't do it. I was on tour because I'm so fucking busy with everything to not do those things, you know, to not drink and smoke or whatever. But then I got home and I got thrust into this house buying business. And I was like, OK, I deserve a cigarette because this is stressful. That's a trigger right there.

This bitch is back. Here comes the real estate agent. Yeah, because this is stressful. That's a trigger right there, yeah. This bitch is back, dude. Here comes the real estate agent. Yeah, this bitch is back. And it took me like two weeks to smoke that pack. I would only have one in the evening, which was a beautiful thing. But then it was like a four-day pack. And now I'm like every other day or every three days or something. But it's like it goes so fast back to a pack a day.

It's so easy. Especially when you're stressed out of new shit. It's like that meditation without doing fucking yoga. Yeah. That's sick. There is something to it. There's something about that sick, dude. It just kind of resets it.

You go outside and you're like Ben Affleck in that meme, dude, where he's just smoking a cigarette. Sometimes you're smoking and you don't even want a cigarette., where he's just smoking a cigarette. Like sometimes you're smoking and you don't even want a cigarette. You just want to go smoke a cigarette. You know what I mean? It's not really about the nicotine. It's just like, well, I just got done with my set,

so I think it's time to have a cigarette. Or just like it's your time to be alone. It's about the ritual. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is totally the ritual, you know? And like my therapist, I was trying to help me find something to do like in place of that, you know, but it's like, yeah,

just the ritual of like lighting something. And it's true. I don't want cigarette. I don't want the taste of my mouth. I don't want to smell like it. I don't want to feel it in my body, but I want to do the thing. And I don't, but I don't want to do the thing with something else. It's like, I've, for a long time I smoked spliffs and it would be like a third tobacco a third um like herbs like mullein and calendula and and spearmint and and then a third weed and i would try doing it without tobacco and it's like i just don't like it i don't actually i i like you know what i mean i want the impossible i want to smoke

cigarette without smoking a cigarette but I don't want the replacements because I don't like the replacements I've never been into vaping that does not appeal to me at all and the herbs just like don't do it for me yeah you want to smoke a lavender cigarette

fuck that do the real thing we're going to find out in 20 years those are actually worse for you than cigarettes I think too what do you think Fuck that. Do the real thing. We're going to find out in 20 years. Those are actually worse for you than cigarettes, I think, too. Probably. Yeah. What do you think it is, this idea of when you can't have your way? You talked about this earlier. Is it?

Tell me about your past with your mom and dad. What was your relationship like with your parents? Um. You know, good. I love my mom and dad. They drank a lot and my mom smokes. And I have a easy relationship with my dad. My mom and me are, you know, trying to work through the difficultness that we have with each other, which is sad because neither of us want it to be like that, but it just is. But there's just like a lot of substance abuse in my family. You know, I've had like three, within like a month period, I had, a month or two months, I had a cousin die of a fentanyl overdose, an uncle die of a fentanyl overdose, and an uncle die of lung cancer from, you know, smoking like two packs a day for his whole life. Right. And that, when that happened, it was like, you know, fuck cigarettes, fuck tobacco, you

know? And then when I started smoking again, I feel there's so much shame around it. That's the worst part. I just want to be comfortable being myself and doing whatever I'm doing. And like, I don't want to feel shame about anything. And there's, and, and just like knowing, and it's not that I'm, and I like talk to my mom about this too, because she was in a similar situation where she like, my mom like smokes, but she's never been like a pack a day smoker. You know, she's like, she smokes kind of sparingly.

And even now, like she says, she'll go days without smoking, but she won't quit, you know. And she had the same thing where at once when Uncle Tom died, she like didn't smoke for a while and then she did and it's like you feel bad about it but then you reason with yourself, you know? You're like, yeah, but he smoked two or three packs a day and I don't smoke that much so I'll probably be fine, you know? Music is more like, you know, it's like a spirituality. It's a, you know, and there's some similarities.

You know, if I have some, this like thing where I'll want to practice and then like this rebel pipes up and is like, you know, adds four extra things to my to-do list that I'll just do real quick before I do that. You know, just like, just like classic getting in your way business. Um, but music itself is like, um, just, uh, I don't know. It's not at all, you know, like I do think that you can get like addicted to music in a way, but I don't have that relationship with it. I feel like, you know, my dad worked in a paper mill and was raised by someone who's 100% Finnish.

And I think those two factors in him created like a really intense comfort with silence, comfort and need for silence. So it's like, you know, well, I've like driven out to Montana with him a few times from the Upper Peninsula in Michigan. And it's like, well, there'll be like hours where we won't say anything to each other and it's comfortable and easy, you know? And, you know, the paper mill is like so loud that's like, we'll be just driving in like a silent car for a long time. And when I drive myself, I do that also, just driving like a silent car. And maybe I'll sing to myself every once in a while, you know, as soon as I cross that

Indiana line, I'm definitely going to sing every once in a while. As soon as I cross that Indiana line, I'm definitely going to sing back home again in Indiana. Hell yeah. But then I'll listen really intentionally to things. And when I listen to a record, I'm going to listen to it four times. Right. But it's a really intentional thing for me that, you know, and when I'm, when I am, I feel the most myself when I am hiking around the woods

or when I'm, when I feel this like sort of indescribable connection with my voice and with the people that I'm singing with. When that flow happens in the right way, that's when I feel the most myself. In the flow. It seems like people seems like you're people think that you're this huge extrovert but you're actually an introvert

yeah and I think that we all are I think you know it's convenient for us as people to sort of put things into categories right to make it easy to talk about but nobody is a I really don't believe that anybody is 100% just extrovert or just introvert.

You know? Like, I would say that I think we're all on a continuum. And I would say I'm probably more on the introvert side of things. But I do love connecting with people through music. What? God, you're pretty... I do love connecting with people Yeah In music What God You're pretty I have I have a question about the silence

I have a question about the silence thing actually Yeah Do you find like When you're In silence that Musical ideas will come to you faster Because there's nothing like Sort of blocking it out

Or do you get more inspired When you're like listening to stuff Both I think both are You know It kind of comes back to that balance thing again Or do you get more inspired when you're listening to this stuff? Both. I think both are necessary. It kind of comes back to that balance thing again. I think both are necessary. And I also periodically will do days of silence, which happened because just from losing my voice sometimes.

And I found that I really liked it. It also feels like a sort of spiritual thing to not just flap your jibs about things that you don't really need to and only communicate what needs to be communicated. You know? I don't know. I like it. And I do feel like ideas come to me more so when I'm moving,

if I'm walking or driving or just, like, in movement somehow is when ideas usually come to me. And a lot of times it is if I'm listening to something that inspires me you know I'll have to turn it off so I can think about whatever it is whatever idea is that's coming to me so why do you keep saying yes to all these

fucking sit-ins is she the sit-in queen? she's the sit-in queen really? we love a good sit-in queen? She's the sit-in queen. Really? Yeah. We love a good sit-in. I'm no stranger. I love it. My mom was one of 12, and I have like 100 cousins.

And I just grew up where the family gets together, and we sing Indigo Girls songs and Beatles songs and various other Stone Temple Pilots songs and stuff. and various other Stone Temple Pilot songs and stuff. And it just feels right for that to be the way that I connect with people. It's awesome. And I also have incredible ADD. And so I think that it's just really good for me to be in like always a new situation yeah uh that is exciting for me to always be you know it's like i belong to the band hallelujah yeah that's awesome because

like it's pretty amazing how you could just like switch to be the two different lindsay liu's like you have two personalities like a split personality You're this extrovert ADD Who's going to be the life of the party Or you're the person Who's like a serial killer In your car with complete silence For five hours I fucking love it

I like it So going back to the family And now there's like a hundred kids And siblings and stuff Did you feel like you really had to to get attention you really had to stand out really heavily or did that was not the issue

with your family like did you feel like you were lonely and no one was giving you attention or how did you feel with having that big of family like fascinating with people with huge families and how they become musicians because they want to be. The same.

I grew up in a small family, so fascinating. And I kind of had like the big and the small family because in my immediate family, it's just me and my brother. But no, I've always felt special. Yeah. I've always felt special. Yeah. And I've always felt, you know, like a individualist sort of, you know, I had a really, my grandma had, like I said, like 100 grandchildren, but I felt like I had a really special relationship with her. And I just like, I don't know, I couldn't, I don't think I was ever bothered by needing to stand out. It's like my earliest memories of wanting to be a part of music, like the first memory that I have of that is one of the first ones is I remember my mom would always sing with my auntie Melody and my uncle Bernie.

But my mom and my auntie Melody lived in the same town and were really close. And my auntie Melody has a daughter, Harmony, my cousin. really wanting to learn Grandpa by the Judds and sing it with harmony. And I like have the, I can see pulling up to her house and I had to be like four or something, three or four, and pulling up to her house in Kingsford and like, and it was fall and there were leaves everywhere. And, and I remember being like, in my mind, like, okay, we're going to do this. I'm going to go into her house and I'm going to tell her the plan. We're going to learn this song together. And, um, and, and we're, we'll sing together like our moms sing together, you know? And then fast forward a few years, you know and then fast forward a few years I remember my uncle Stucky playing um that he would always do uh Romeo and Juliet which is a Dire Straits song but he got it from the

Indigo Girls and I remember him singing it and I remember uh my sort of cousin Janice and some other, there was always like, with that many people in a family, it's like there's a whole party's worth of people every time you get together of every generation. And so it's like, and the way that my grandma was this crazy hippie that took everyone in, it was like, there was always extra extras, you know? So I like, I would watch my Uncle Stucky sing with these teenage,

he was in his early 20s, and these 17, 18, 19-year-old, whatever, people, they would sing together. And I remember being like, I want to be that. I want to be that. I want to do that. I want to learn those songs and be the one that's sitting next to him at the fire singing the songs with him. And he actually went to prison when I was, I don't know, an adolescent. And he was sort of like the life of the party. He was always the one that would take out the guitar and start the jams and the sing-alongs and stuff.

And he was just like kind of a Chris Farley character. So he was just like a big personality. So when he wasn't at the family reunions, I felt like I needed to be one of the people that like picked up the slack and, um, learned how to play these songs, you know? And I wasn't the only one. My brother plays and my cousin Jonah and, and, um, you know, there were other, and Michael Bernie, there's other people playing with the acoustic guitar leading the, leading the jam, but I felt like a responsibility.

And it was never like I need to stand out. It was more like I had these goals and I had these visions and these dreams of how I wanted to fit in and what I wanted to do. And it's like, that's all I can see is my vision of how I want to be in this situation. And it seems like when people have visions of their dreams,

they normally come true, right? When you have a plan, when you have a vision, a lot of people who are just like kind of fishing for dreams and don't really have a plan, it doesn't really seem like it comes into fruition, even if it takes 15 years kind of difference between a vision and a dream right yeah exactly so like you always knew this so instead of a dream it was a vision like you knew you're going to be on stage

oh yeah there's also this um i'm going to put this i keep seeing these text messages coming i got to do not disturb all the sit-in offers for the next festival. Will you please sing a Judd song with us? Wait, what did you just say? The difference between dreams and visions. So like when was the first time you realized your visions are coming true? Like you looked, maybe you saw a vision of you playing in front of 10,000 people when you're a kid and then all of a sudden you're there

and it's happening in real life. Yeah. I think I have a harder time of like, I'm trying to be more ceremonious about when things come to fruition because I'm like so much about getting there that it's like, you know, it's like you can have so much more awareness about the process. And then once it happens,

it's just like, what's the next one? Like the journey destination. Yeah. Yeah, totally. So I'm trying to be more ceremonious about um you know things happening and accomplishments and um i've another story

that my mom has told me is like when i was three we were at this uh birthday party for her grandpa. And there was a bunch of people there on Harsin's Island. And there was a stage in the room. And I like, I don't know this guy. My mom's grandpa, you know? I don't know any of these people here, hardly. But I apparently tugged on her dress and told her that I wanted to get on that stage and sing happy birthday for grandpa to all these people and I will be head and I did yeah I would like to headline this event like show me

where the microphone is and I did it and it's like I don't like there was no like like I don't know what it is in you that does that but but it's always been there for me, you know, and it all, and like, and it just feels natural, you know, there's not like a lot of, I don't know, I want to say premeditation, because I can't say that, because there kind of is, I can't say that because there kind of is, but not in the way that it's like, I don't think, Oh,

I'm getting, I'm getting trapped here and trying to put this into words, but you know what I'm trying to say? Yeah. It's just natural. I get the gist. Yeah. So the question is, when you,

when you're allowing yourself to celebrate the win, When you're allowing yourself to celebrate the win, how do you keep fine-tuning the dream so you can still have more wins? Does that make sense? What do you do? Yeah, it's like sustainability is the ultimate win. Right. It's like you're not looking for necessarily one big high.

You're looking for something that fills you up, that fills you up the right amount, you know, that is maintainable and can keep happening at the right pace with the right balance of all the things right till you die right right it's like we're not gonna retire musicians don't retire no right so it's like what is uh like how can how can i set this up that you know it's not like, you know, I've never had any interest in being a pop star. I mean, I did when I was like a little, little kid. But then I became a punk rocker and I was like, fuck pop stars and fuck pop music and the machine and all that, you know, I want success in, you know, connection with people in a big way.

And I want, but I don't want to be like somebody that can't go to the grocery store. Right. I'm fucking miserable grocery store. Right. You know? I'm fucking miserable. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, and I honestly don't even think that, like, I think that I have such a thick field of the energy that I put out that like, you know, I don't know, not that, I don't

know, it's like Gillian Welch goes to the grocery stores in town and people aren't going up to her. And it's like, you just wouldn't do that. You can see her from across the grocery store and she has like, I really do think that there's an energy about her that it's like, she's queen. And not in a queen in like a rhinestone bedazzled sort of way, but in just like her spirit is so what it is that it's like you're just not trying to fuck with that, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that there is a way to do that. And that's like ultimately, you know, what, did you ask me what success looks like? Because I am on that road to answering that question. Yeah, bring it.

You're going, you're there. You're going there. Yeah, we asked that about five minutes ago. What, do you remember what you asked me? No, we asked that five minutes ago. Just for peed and tree? Now we're full circle. We're cooking now.

Circle of life. We're back. We're cooking with gas. We're cooking with gas. Give it to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. we're cooking with gas we're cooking with gas give it to me yeah yeah I

you know I like yeah sustainability that's what that's what it looks like it looks like a way of my

doing fulfilling my purpose my life purpose the thing that that I feel like I have an aptitude and that I have passion

about you know but it's not just one thing obviously like i've also need to spend time with my cat because i'm obsessed with the guy yeah you know hell yeah and i gotta and i gotta be nesting the hell out of my nest because i'm also obsessed with that um you know and i gotta spend time outside and on the water and in the woods and a balance of all those things. But I also want to sing for a lot of people and have it move them and give them a moment where that's all that's happening. Nothing else is happening. That is ultimately what I want.

And I have had tastes of it, but I want more of that. Yeah. You know, and you do that. You do that every time. Oh, thanks. You do that every time you play. You know, you do too, actually. I was going to say the same thing.

I mean, everyone is raving about you all the time. And I finally got to watch your show. I'm like, fucking A, dude, you're a bad bitch. But like, how do you approach, I mean, you know, you want so many things in life.

This is a question I'm asking myself, but I think we're very similar in this where we want it all. When you don't get to do all four things that you really want to do,

how do you not beat yourself up? Oh, God, yeah. How do you not beat yourself up? Oh, God, yeah. I always go back to the breathing, honestly. And the cigs, baby. And the goddamn cigs. That's breathing. Keep smoking them cigs, bro.

That's breathing. Can't smoke without breathing. I know. I know. It is like a version of it. Yeah, I mean, I'm like the master of beating myself up. Yeah, same. I'm fucking good at that.

Oh, yeah. You know? That's like, that is a skill that I have honed, you know? Right. Very much practice. Very much practice. And, but, you know, I like, I went to this, I've like been trying to learn about meditation in various ways on various avenues over the last handful of years. And one of my favorite things I always kind of come back to is this workshop that I went to by my friend May Earlywine's dad Michael Earlywine yeah um he gave this meditation workshop and he was like he's like you don't need it to like have your rug on the floor with your candles and your silence and your hour timer. It's like you can be meditating all the time

if you just, when you've noticed, first of all, you just have to be noticing yourself, be an observer. And when you notice yourself freaking out or going back to whatever thing it is, self-abuse or, or whatever the things are. Smoking cigarettes. Oh, my God.

I want to smoke a cigarette right now. I've wanted to smoke a cigarette this whole time. When you were like 10 minutes, I was like, 10 minutes, that's exactly how long it takes me to smoke a cigarette. Maybe I can do this real quick before we do this. Anyway. But yeah, go back to like, you know, like whenever I find my brain doing these things, and tobacco aside, it's like, just like all of my attention, I am breathing, you know? And like, whatever. I also have like helpful voices in my head that people have given me. who I love so dearly, you know, he was like very, you know,

just be very dismissive of things that aren't helpful, you know, like very extreme negative self-talk or whatever, you know, just like his demeanor. It's like I can, like that's a gift that he gave me that, like, hear his voice being like, nah, that doesn't matter. That's not, that's not the thing. Right. And that's been helpful, you know? So it's like your community and your people and your friends and just, like, imagining them and remembering that you are a breathing goober.

I am just a goober, and I'm breathing, and that is insanity. And that's enough. So it's like when I get into those tailspins, I try to go back to that. And I'm on the right medicine. I found the right A to D medicine that helped me tremendously, helped me from totally spiraling out. Instead of spiraling out for three months,

now it's like a three-minute thing that I can walk away from. That's good. No, I'm on the lowest dose of Adderall. That, you know. They dialed in the dosage for you. And they're like, yeah. And I, like, any higher dose is, like, too much, you know. And I've realized that. It's like, I really need that five milligrams is the perfect amount for me.

need that five milligrams is the perfect amount for me. And I kind of like, I'm like a little bit in my head about it like twice now, including today it's happened where I was like, did I take that? I can't remember if I took it. I don't think I took it. Why would I have put the pill bottle on its side? You know? So I guess I'm going to take it again. But i also like don't take it in the afternoon a lot like i don't i don't finish my prescription every every week because it's not like a you know it's very much not like a party thing to me it's very much like yeah this shit just like makes me feel normal and i like that a lot and it's but that I feel normal, and that's what I want. And I'm fine if I don't have that for the afternoon or if I miss it or something. I'm still okay.

But I notice as an overall theme that I don't just fall into these rabbit holes that consume me for way too much time with this. I'm just not so easily overwhelmed and just feel, you know, kind of regular. Still all the things. I'm still, like, up and down in all the directions. But, like, in a way that doesn't, you know, put me into some serious darkness that is debilitating. You know, or like mania that is also sort of scary. Yeah.

Different kind of debilitating. Get crazy. Adderall, when you are ADD, it actually calms people down. It's not like, it does not like cocaine or some people love Adderall because they love the speed effect. It does that to me a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Sell the pills. Sell the pills!

Sell the pills! All the extra. Lindsay Lou becomes the Adderall dealer at the end of the month. She's like, I got seven pills left. Who wants a voice? It just makes me a friendly, normal guy when I take it. I'm the same with mushrooms. I can take the microdoses,

but the minute it starts tripping my head a little too much, I don't like it. I think that's with any drug, to be honest. That's why I think I'm kind of getting over drugs. Because every time I take too much of a drug, I don't like it. I like having control. Yeah, what do you think?

I think we're getting to a point where it's like, you know, we're at this age where i don't want things to be harder i want things to be easier yeah you know i am looking for i'm seeking ease yeah and like when i start to feel a drug like i'm on a drug or alcohol even it's like that feels harder for me like i was i'm i have gotten used to just being me and dealing with that and all that means, you know? But it's like the minute I'm, like, feel the influence. And mushrooms is like, yeah, I've realized that mushrooms, if I'm feeling it, I just want to cocoon at this point. I've had nice times with mushrooms, but I also had like horrible, like life shattering times on mushrooms.

But like now when I, when I do it, it's like, I don't want to feel it. Cause all I'm going to want to do is like, I need to be close to the ground on the ground in a cocoon. Right. That's all.

That's like all I want. And that's not what I want. If I'm like at a festival or hanging out with people, you know? Right. Right. That's for at home. God damn it what I want if I'm at a festival or hanging out with people. Right. Right. That's for at home. God damn it. I could talk to you forever, Lindsay. You are just so calm.

You're like the Dalai Lama. I know. You're very relaxing. Your voice is very relaxing. Yeah. You should... Oh, dude. You should start doing...

Meditation, reading stuff. Or the books. Audiobooks. Audiobooks. You should do... I do want to do that. I think about that all the time. Oh, my God. I want to do it. You're an agent. I do want to do that. I think about that all the time. Oh my God.

I want to do it. You're an agent. I used to have this manager whose husband does that for a living. And I was like, dude, like hook a girl up. I want to do that. Your voice is like. And she's like, oh, it's very competitive and it's very hard. And she was very discouraging.

But I need to look back into this. And there's not very many Tom Robbins books on audiobook. Right. So I think I'm just going to like do a Tom Robbins book. Just send it in? Just send it in. And be like, that's going to be like my audition tape. Yeah.

You know? Or just like put it on Lipson and just like have it up there. She's like human Xanax. Yeah, dude. It's like. What's Lipson? Lipson is like what podcast. You can just put them up on podcasts anywhere.

Audiobooks. Audiobooks. So you could just like. Oh, Lipson. Lipson. It's like TuneCore for musicians and stuff. up on podcasts anywhere. Audiobooks. Libsyn. It's like TuneCore for musicians and stuff. And they don't really test that shit. So you could just do it and then you build a fan base and

they can't stop you. Then you're just in there without having a manager say you can't do it. And that's what I do a lot. That's why I fired my manager. Andy's a big manager bypasser I'm a big manager bypasser Lindsay you'll learn that about me

yeah if you want me to do something like tell me I can't do it cause that shit is the ultimate motivator for me I'm so petty and stubborn.

Like, that was the one question I was going to ask you. Like, does jealousy drive you? Not in a bad way. Jealousy is very annoying. I never, like, I obviously, I do like to compare things, which, like, comparisons are odious and not helpful and also incredibly human. Yeah, exactly. So I'm like, I do it and not helpful and also incredibly human. Yeah, exactly.

So I'm like, I do it and I also recognize it. But it's not ever jealousy. It's not ever jealousy and like, I don't want that person to have that. You know? It's like, I want it too. It's like, I also want that. And it's not jealousy like I feel any sort of negativity towards the other person, you know? Right.

But like, I don't know. I like, I never, I am not inherently a jealous person. I'm like, you know, I love when people are doing well and I love when people have cool things. And, and, um, and in all of my romantic relationships, I'm like so fiercely independent and just, and I've always just kind of had like a, I don't know,

like of natural confidence or something that I just don't feel, you know, like I can be flexed with. And, but until, until this one, I like have these like jealous girlfriend moments with Kyle and I like, no, I can see it. I can notice it happening and I can fucking check myself for a wreck myself and, and recognize it for what it is, you but i do feel it i i'm like for the first time in my life i have that like uh i feel it oh yeah i'm i am admitting to you

in a vulnerable way that i experienced that you know And like, I think it's like a little bit easier than it was in the beginning or whatever. But yeah, you know, I get all the human things. I think we accept it now because we're doing cool things too. If we weren't doing cool things. It does help. It kind of helps with the idea of like, oh, yeah, I am being jealous. Instead of like, oh, I'm being petty. I can just picture the person you're being jealous of also looking at your Instagram being jealous of you.

Yeah. It's like, I think, yeah. I think age helped us with that. Because when we were kids, we didn't realize jealousy. We were just pissed. Right. A lot of that's just hormones, too. Yeah.

I remember before I got successful that I was... I'm still not that successful, but when I was a kid fucking grinding in a van. Right, making $8. I'd be like, fuck this band for fucking doing this, and fuck this, and fuck that. And then now I'm more successful, and I see other people being successful. I still get a little jealousy of me. That's healthy though. But I can

see it now. I'm like, oh shit, I'm just being jealous. More self-aware about it. Maybe that's the best part of growing up. I don't think I ever felt that. I've never felt that like, fuck that person. Fuck that. I'm always like, oh yeah, I want to listen more to that and

and i want that for myself and i and like that's sweet that what they're doing and like how can i how can i do that too so maybe it is a male or something it's gotta be a male thing like this like we're always driving for competitiveness like that too not that we're all not both maybe a trans male but. Maybe it is a more masculine thing. Spill the beans. Lindsay, who's a shit talker? Give it to us. I know those. Man, those Nashville songwriters. That Nashville scene's gotta be so

petty. Oh, the Nashville scene gets petty. There's so many of them. Oh, yeah. I know a lot of them that are petty. Not the people I hang out with. Well, you have good friends. I believe you. Yeah. I got good people. I'm like, I've never been a part of the Nashville that is like, whatever is probably on the TV show. You suck. You know, it's like, I'm a part of the fucking bluegrass community.

And I just want to pick. I want to get together and I want to pick. Your whole crew. And I like that because I just want to get together with people and sing harmonies and sing songs. Oh, yeah. to other people and sing harmonies and sing songs and you know and like write songs and and you know all the people i've interact with are in the same boat so i think we've got a good with all the people in this scene are people i want to be around yeah like i keep wishing i met vince herman earlier in my life and i feel like that whole crew, I think I would have been,

I would have got through my trauma a lot earlier instead of like my idols being like LA competitive people. I had more like guys like Vince Herman and guys like that now are like my really close friends. Actually talented people. Talented but humble and like all about community. I felt like I would have got through this fucking jealous petty thing way earlier in my life but maybe this isn't a podcast but this podcast but you gotta go through the thing that yeah you gotta go through what you gotta go through and at the time you

gotta go through it you're right man it's already been an hour we haven't even talked about music maybe we gotta do a round two with lindsey lou can we do round two with lindsey lou in a couple months we just pay on the based on the fact that it rhymes i would love that yeah let's keep talking i mean lindsey i'm a big fan of you and i just think you and kyle are like the cutest fucking couple on the planet do i think about your relationship a lot my favorite moment was when kyle was interviewing i didn't want to have and you're and you're like you're crawling on the fucking floor so you no one saw i'm like oh when he was on the pod or whatever oh my god that is so funny like a fucking cat visibility sunglasses that's so no i was in a band with my husband for so long for so long and i like you know i really like you know i love playing music with kyle but i just so value being able to

have a hard time on the road and lean on your partner for support. Right. You know, like we can do that with each other. Where when you're in a band with your partner, it's like Josh and I would get off the road, you know, and we did it. We actually did a great job of it. We were epic teammates. But it's like we would get off. I would be having such a hard time on the road and we would get home. And it's like now I have the sanctuary of home,

and now I'm just fighting with him about what it is because he's involved in it. Right. Even if it's not like he's the issue, it's like he's so inside of it that like, you know, it's just. It's like association. that like, you know, it's just, it's just, I like having, I like there, I like being able for Kyle to like call me and rant to me about something that he's experiencing and me be able to like have space to hold for that because I'm not a part of it. If I was a part of it, then we would be like arguing about the thing where, you know what I mean? so i just really like i like us you know it's like the prophet thing where uh give each other of your bread but eat not from the same loaf

sort of thing that's like it's nice to be able to it's nice to be able to like have it and that's not it's not that i was like we'll never have musical projects with him or something. But it's like, I just am at a point where I, you know, and like some lady came up to me and was like, oh, he should be in your band. He shouldn't be in Molly's band. He should be with you because you're good enough and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, lady, he's not in my band because I'm not good enough. And then I start to get in my head and worry about what people are thinking.

Yeah, that's like a backhanded compliment. It's not even how it works. It's fucking annoying. Petty stuff. Oh my God. It was something like that. Let me fight her. But it's like...

I'll fight over you, Lindsay. He's not my band because I can't afford it. I really do think that she was trying to say something nice. But it's like, that's not it. It has nothing to do something nice. Yeah. You know? But it's like, you know, it's like,

that's not, that's not it. You know? Right. It's not, it has nothing to do with it. I like having this, I like having this

Your own thing. being in it the way that we're in it. You know? And like, can I just like have a person and not have to feel like

I have to have every part of the person? Yeah. Can I have like his heart and his brain and not just his fucking amazing instrument you know like what the fuck

dude like also the band he's in is great too it's like just a bunch of great bands you know alright totally Molly's amazing too anyway I love you get out there go smoke that cig let's all go have a cigarette break let's go have a smoke break

No but I'm proud of you Keep going Keep working on it I really feel like It's coming though I'm about to quit man Me too

I'm about to really quit I'm gonna do this Chord cutting workshop With Chris Corsini And it's gonna change everything Well Fucking A If it works

Send me all the info Cause I'm coming Good luck Check out Lindsay Liu On road uh she has amazing music we haven't even talked about it but they the our fans know who you are lindsey we don't have to fucking sugarcoat shit the best way to find out music is to go listen to it anyway go fucking listen to lindsey she's the best totally she's got a good heart and uh we didn't even talk about the the michigan upbringing and the whole weren't you

like aren't you like in the fucking deep in the sticks of michigan i remember nate williams you remember do you know nate williams oh my god yes i know nate williams that's like one of our close friends he was telling me some great stories about you and billy and the whole crew and pretty exciting i love michigan traverse City right You're from Traverse City Oh I love going up there And playing No Yeah

I am from the Upper Peninsula Me and Nate And Adam Are all from The Upper Peninsula of Michigan Which is like The woods It's a whole

It's a whole new world Up there It's like Muskegon's up there It's its own thing Yeah No I'm surprised you didn't get to math

Or anything Did you get to meth or anything Did you get to any meth or any of that shit? I did not Good No I clapped that It was not Meth was not a thing

It was still fine You gotta keep that pretty face Liz No meth Say no to meth Not with those teeth You got good teeth We don't want you to fucking destroy any teeth I never had braces either.

Really? You're just genetically superior to both of us. You're that pure alien. Did y'all have braces? I didn't. My teeth are fucked. I also smoke a shit ton of cigs. How are your teeth not yellow? I'm smoking cigs.

I mean, I brush them every day. Oh, every day. And I use Flora toothpaste. Oh, Flora. You got to brush your teeth every day. Oh, even in the morning? All right. Get out of here, Linz.

We love you. I got one last question before we do round two. When it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? when it's all said and done what do you want to be remembered by the love that I the love that I gave and accepted

gave and received what the fuck she's just an angel concise that's an angel talk that's an angel speaking to us I'm not going to argue with that at all thank you thank you Lindsay thanks for your guidance thanks for your words thanks for being on the show. We love you. We love you, too. Bye.

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