Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 291: Lisa Loeb

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

On this week's episode, we present to you A Tale of Two Andys; as Frasco sits down with our good pal, Andy "Clark" Westby to open the show! Shout out to Baby Ricky. And a new baby for someone in the band... And on the Interview Hour, we're bringing ya back to an historical figure in the annals of recorded music as we sit down with the one and only, Lisa Loeb! In case you missed the 90's, Lisa had the first ever Billboard number one single for an artist without a recording contract. Insane! Did she help set the stage for the modern age of recorded music? Survery says: oh, you betcha. Don't miss out on Andy's interview with this sparkly voiced shiny human!  We're psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Mara Davis Shawn Eckels Vince Herman

Now, a message from the UN. Woo! One more verse, one more verse. Here in this bar since 1803, there's been some characters coming around here that aren't you or me. Way back? In the 50s and the 60s, don't you know? This bar was full of spies.

It's only 30 miles from that Iron Curtain. It's true. That's what my Italian friend said to me. It's Davis Ricky With the great mustache He's not a Super Mario brother But he looks a whole lot like me But he looks a whole lot like him, you see Luigi!

I see my life come shining out From the west out to the east Any day now Any day now I shall be Ricky And that's all Ricky! Yeah, man! I love you, Ricky! I love you, Andy! Alright, clap.

Wow. And we're live. Andy Frasca's World Save Podcast. I don't even recognize you with this long, beautiful, luscious hair. My co-host today is one of my closest friends from Chicago. Andy Wesby's in the building. Say hi, Wesby.

Hey, hey, hey. Hi, guys. It's day one of our fall tour and I got in town in Chicago and I'm like, I could drive with the band or we could just have a road trip. So me and Westby are on the open road. We're going to Milwaukee. I'm wearing my Detroit Lions jersey. Your Detroit Lions jersey. Wear your hat too. Yeah. We're Detroit fans now. Shout out to Dan Campbell. I love that guy. He's a beast and I've always been Detroit fan. You're just recently on the wagon. Yeah. After Hard Knocks, but I've been like really diehard since the Hard Knocks. I've always been Detroit fan. You're just recently on the wagon. Yeah, after hard knocks. But I've been like really diehard since the hard knocks.

I've been like really caring. Thank you. I appreciate that. America should get on the bandwagon. We're going to go all the way. I can't take you seriously with this long ass hair. No, wear it. Wear it. I love it. You kind of look like a like a soccer mom who just got divorced. I thought I was like a soccer mom who just got divorced.

I thought I was like a young Goldie Hawn. That's what I'm really for. So we're going into Wisconsin. I know you're a Michigan guy, but you know a lot about Wisconsin. Tell us what we're gonna do on a road trip. We're gonna stop at Mars Cheese Castle, which is the emporium of cheese and condiments.

It's so beautiful and awesome. Whoa, what's so great about it? I mean, they have cheese curporium of cheese and condiments, it's so beautiful. Whoa, what's so great about it? I mean, they have cheese curds, they have warm curds, they have cold curds, they have every condiment you could ever want. Condiment, like good ranch? Oh yeah, good everything. Jalapeno mustard, and then they have swag.

Okay, what about Spotted Cow? They have good beer, is that Wisconsin? Yeah, you can only buy it in the state of Wisconsin. Do... So what's... Is there beef between Michigan and Wisconsin? Not really. We're both kind of similar up north. Good communities. Not Chicago. You know, we don't like each other's football teams. FTP, fuck the pack. Fuck the pack? Wow, don't disrespect the pack on my podcast. A lot of pack fans on this. Sorry guys. All right.

So tell me more. I don't get to see you a lot. What's it been up to? How's everything going? Are you fighting the good fight? Just hanging and banging. Hanging and banging. What have you been up to?

I haven't talked to you in forever. We're just living life. Beautiful fall this year. Waiting for the leaves to turn and just watching football. You know who Lisa Loeb is? Yep. Who? Who is she? She's the singer. Singer of what? What'd she sing?

Yo beautiful. That's James Blake, you dumbass. Is that James Blake? Yo beautiful. That's it. Lisa Loeb's on the show. We're really excited. You know that song, Miss You?

I miss you. We're stoked on it. Big guest. We're getting big ass guests on the podcast. And I get to announce, we have Jim James coming on the podcast. James? Yeah, dude. I'm flying to Louisville, Kentucky.

Is that where he lives? He has a couple houses, but I think I'm flying to Louisville. Can I come? Yeah, he got pissed. His tour manager, when we opened for Jim James in Chicago, this fucking guy. Why don't you tell him the story of how I almost got in trouble by my Mournjackets tour manager. Well, as it goes, I was backstage supporting my buddy Andy, and there was a bunch of coolers,

and I looked for a nice cold beer, and there wasn't. They just had pop, but they had a banana. So I grabbed the banana off the top of the cooler. Tour manager was mad. She ran after you. Hey, that's not yours. She did, and I gave her the banana back, and she's like, what else did you steal?

I'm like, nothing, you have nothing but pop pop and that was it like I still love their music, but the tour manager doesn't Well, we apologize to it. She's a nice lady though. Yes. She was frightened of us because we were opening or to scream and like Partying. Yeah, we were different than them. Yeah, we're a little different we We do scare everyone But yes, we're on tour this whole week. This next week is pretty exciting. Let me see what the let me look at what dates We have we have Okay This Wednesday is Brattlesboro, Vermont. That's sold out. Thank you guys Vermont. It's right next to

Vero, Vermont, that's sold out. Thank you guys, Vermont. It's right next to Northlands Festival. You guys sold it out so quickly. I appreciate it. Fairfield, Connecticut, the land of Bitcoin. We're coming for you, Connecticut. Lot of rich white women out there. Find a wife out there.

I'm going to try to find me a divorcee cougar. Yeah, a lot of- Why wouldn't you? Oh my God. You figured like a sugar mama? Is that what they're called? Because you would be the sugar baby. Yeah, I'd be the sugar baby.

You would be perfect. You'd be the sugar baby most of your life. So if you want to, if you're divorced, we will give you a discount code for 30% off on the ticket sales. Then October 11th, Bear Creek or Briar Creek, Pennsylvania. That show's almost sold out. Shout out to Pennsylvania. Every time I roll in there, it's selling out.

And then the 12th, I'm playing the Rambl Festival in Darlington, Maryland, kind of close to Baltimore. We're really excited about that. All our friends are playing. If you haven't bought tickets, go out there and support Darlington, Maryland. And then the last show, kind of the tour, is Buffalo, New York. You always press in Buffalo.

I know. I was trying to take a year off from there, kind of the tour is Buffalo, New York. You always press in Buffalo. I know. I was trying to take a year off from there because I felt like I was overstaying my welcome. But they love you up there anyway. They love me. They got the bills, they got Bo and they got you. Andy Frasco in the UN.

And then Huluween and then I'm on that Bayless Frasco. Are you going to do that Bayless Frasco tour with us? Yeah, I'm going to go to Hobart, Indiana with you. You're going to come to that one? Okay. But let's talk more on Huluween. They got hit with weather. Yeah, Huluween got fucked.

Well, shout out to everyone. Asheville got fucked up too. We're thinking about you, Asheville. I'm trying to figure out how to do like a donation for the Salvat Station, donation for all the venues that got hit. Anyone got hit. If you guys have any ideas of what I could do to help,

just let me know and I'm here for it. I don't have time to do a benefit concert, but I'll give out a bunch of merch, I'll give out a bunch of free tickets. You could write a check. I'll write a check. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I'll write a check, yeah.

I'm in the GMC, how much money do you think I have? You got some cash, man. Ah! That big check hasn't come in yet, but it's coming in in April. Okay, chill chill chill All right, let's go get some cheese curds, let's go have some fun We'll catch back with you but hula wean. Yes support hula wean. Did hula wean get fucked up swanee got fucked up I think one fest got canceled, but they're doing, Hulaween's going to be okay.

Jesus, well we're thinking about all, yeah, we're thinking about you, the South. And then New Year's Eve, we're playing Florida. We're playing St. Pete with Little Stranger. Shout out to the boys of Little Stranger, they're crushing their headline tour. And then New Year's Eve in St. Louis at the pageant. Old St. Louis, the land of Ernie Chang.

Ernie Chang just got, he just announced, we've been holding the secret, but shout out to Ernie, he's having a baby. No, that's cool. There's going to be another Chang in the building. That's going to be a big forehead. That baby's going to have a huge forehead. We love it, Chang. We're happy for you. Congratulations, Amy. Congratulations, Ernie. The first band member to have a kid besides Floyd, but he was, there's a kid in his life before you

even joined the band. So this is the first one that's a real Frasco child. Hopefully that kid stays away from the road and stays away from you. No, fuck off. I think the road is perfect to grow up on. It's better than college. Everyone goes to college and now they have dead and they regret going to college. You regret going to college?

No, I'm paid. You already paid. You're paid. Yeah, you're a rich boy now. I'm a rich girl. Don't let him fool you. He's a rich boy now. I'm a rich girl. Don't let him fool you. He's a rich boy now. So anyone who needs a little dough, request Andy at AndyWesby.

Andy-Wesby on Venmo. He'll give you a couple bucks. Okay. Seriously, like no. All right. One dollar a walk. All right, guys. I love you.

And be safe out there. Do you have any good advice for the people before we have them play Lisa? Alright guys, I love you and Be safe out there Don't you have any good advice for the people before we have them play Lisa play Lisa Loeb while while While Shorgasm is is doing some motivation for the people this week. What do you got? Keep going forward don't look in the rearview mirror The past is gone keep the foot on the gas and keep fucking going. Go Lions. Go Lions All right guys. Enjoy Lisa Loeb and We're gonna go on tour. Go Lions. You like my hat. I kind of love this hat. Sarah. Can I have this?

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Hi, Lisa Lowe. How you doing? Um, hey. What room is this? This looks like an amazing room. This is an amazing room. This is my office. It's also got a guest bed for snaps and snaps, good sleeping. Oh, man. It's got my map. It's got my map back there. It's got some paintings I've done. Actually those were a while ago.

I need to get back to some paintings. It's got all my arts and crafts. There's not that many of them, but there should be more. Flowers. It's got all my like books and memorabilia, like photo albums and Barbies and a Grammy. There's a Grammy there guys. Let's go. See, that's what I'm talking about.

More colors. There's more colors. So do you feel like you always need to be doing something at all times? Uh, yes. Even when I am doing resting, you know, like I put rest, take a nap on my list. There's just so many things to do. I don't feel like I have to do things all the time. I love, I love when I feel like a teenager in my own house and I'm like, do do do, what should I do now? You know, just, I'll have some popcorn and watch a show.

There aren't usually as many times for that, but I enjoy that. But I do have a lot of things to do. Was it like that during your childhood? What was your childhood like? Yes. It was? Yes, it was. It was. Actually, I've been, I went through some of the stuff. Can you hear me okay? Even if I'm not here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My mic is down here. Okay. Sorry, it's just my mic. My kids keep coming in here and my son likes to put his arm on the mic stand and I'm like, you're going to strip this mic stand, you know, and like, it won't stay tight. Um, when I was, I, it's funny, I found a report card from, I found some report cards and I did well in school, but it was a report card from my English, my AP English teacher senior year. And I think I had gotten like a B plus maybe. And he said, I'd rather see, he was like, I'd rather see a B plus

Lisa Loeb with a lot of, you know, with all of your other interests than an A Lisa with, without your interests. Because at the time I was like a DJ on the radio and I had a band and I was writing songs and I was in an indie film and I was president of student council and just a bunch of other stuff that I enjoyed doing, and some that I didn't enjoy doing, like schoolwork. But, you know, I was doing all this stuff, and I was surprised to see that. I didn't remember him thinking that about me. That was nice.

That's fascinating. Are you an overachiever? I don't know if I'm an overachiever, but I like to do a lot of things, and I like to do them well. But it's just because it's fun to do them. I mean, do you guys like doing things? I love doing things.

Yeah, and I blame my dad for never appreciating all the good things I did. I always had to do better and better and better. Which made me who I am now because I feel like that type of thing drives success. But how do you approach success? It's a balance, you know? now because I feel like that type of thing drives success. But how do you approach success? It's a balance. It's funny. I don't remember my parents pushing me.

And they say that I pushed myself. But that being said, I think that the feeling of growing up in the 80s, I was in Dallas at a private all-girls school. In my head at that time, it was like you were supposed to make a hundred percent. You're supposed to do the bonus work. Like it was just like this feeling like that was the bottom line. Like that was the... That was like what you were supposed to do and anything less than that it was like you weren't doing it right. But I don't know where that came from because now I live in

California and it's not this 80s anymore it it's the 2000s. And with my kids, I just want them to do their best, to do their best with the things they can control, like working together on scheduling and getting things done on time and going to sleep on time so you can get enough sleep so you can wake up, like learning to get on and off your computer. But it still can get really nudgy. Like, like, did you get off your computer? Did you do your, did you study that thing? Or I do the one thing that I do remember my dad doing, which I thought was actually, well, it was probably annoying at the time, but in retrospect and as a parent, I think it's good, which is when a kid comes home and they have a couple of things wrong on their test, you're like, oh, that's great. I'm glad you learned this. But let's look at the two things you got wrong. Do you understand why they're wrong?

Do you understand what the answer should be? Sometimes you find out maybe it was partially correct or you realize, wow, I just forgot to circle any answer on here, whatever. You can learn from your mistakes. I think that that's, it's not that you're a bad person because you miss things. It's like, this is life. This isn't about grades. I remember when I was in college, I graduated and then I went to go get my final test or essay or something from my Japanese poetry teacher.

It was English transliteration, English translations of Japanese poetry. But I went to go get, I went to go visit the professor and say, oh, you know, thanks so much. I'm going to take my final whatever thing test with me home. And she's like, sit down. I'm like, no, I already, I graduated. Like, sit down, let's talk about it.

And I'm like, but I graduated. But we're done here. Yeah, but we're done here. And then I was like, sit down, let's talk about it. And I'm like, but I graduated. We're done here. Yeah, we're done. But we're done here. And then I was like, oh, right. And it's like my friend Juan Petino, who I dated many, many years ago, his father, who was older, when he graduated from college, he's like, okay, now it all begins. It's like now.

So it's that view of achieving. Like, there's always, I don't know, I think it can light a fire under you just to really take advantage of life. Do you ever get mad? Do you ever tell your kids they're a piece of shit? Like any of that stuff? Like, have you ever get mad? Do you ever get mad?

I feel like it's not in you to get mad. What's your ceiling for anger? What's your ceiling for anger? I know I get mad. I get mad. I get mad. There's your ceiling for anger? Like what's your ceiling for anger? I know I get mad, I get mad, I get mad. There's a million things, like if I have to tell them to pick up their whatever's, their shoes one more time or get off the computer, I'm going to take that keyboard.

I'm going to take it. You're not going to the whatever, I don't know. I don't know, I get mad. It doesn't sound as mad as other voices because my voice is gentle and soothing. No, but I get mad. I get mad if people are mean to each other. If they... And I think part of the anger is me at myself. Like, why can't I say this in a way better so they understand it and then they don't have to be in a situation where I'm having to nudge them and ask them over and over again? Right. What do you get mad about yourself about?

I don't know if it's mad. I quickly reframe it into an area that I need to do better. Like just now, like I was in a writing session. I was in a songwriting session yesterday with a few guys and we magically wrote a song, you know, in four hours or something. And it's always so magical. I went in there and I didn't have any specific ideas because I didn't exactly know. There was something we had to write for, but I didn't know exactly what the story was or anything. So I figured, I guess we'll figure it out when we get there.

And it wasn't for my own record necessarily, so I didn't have any ideas yet. And I got there and I was like, ugh. But we all contributed a ton and we wrote the song really a collaboration, the four of us together and we finished with a great song. And I thought, God, I've got so many. They said, oh, well, you could just bring any ideas. Oh, I know what they were saying. They were saying sometimes song placements are just like little ideas. They aren't even entire songs. Right. And I had no idea. I'd never heard that before in my life. I mean, I've written songs for TV where they just want 30 seconds,

you know, it's going to be a theme song and like maybe it'll exist in its full form or maybe it won't. But I never imagined pitching or sharing bits and pieces of songs that weren't songs. And all of a sudden I was like, oh my God, I've got like hundreds of hours of bits and pieces of songs. Yeah, makes it easier. Yeah. And I need to finish these songs. Like they don't, I need to do my homework and I keep getting sidetracked. Like that frustrates me. Like that's just such a waste. What do you think of civilization with this low, this attention span, this only 20 second

attention span now? Like, Is it killing the artist song? No, I don't think so. I think there's different kinds of songs and different kinds of writers who have different intentions and I know from my own kids, they're, you know, just like I am, I will change a channel quickly sometimes and other times I'll listen to the entire thing and I'll listen to it again and again. And so there's, it's, I do think we all need to practice our attention span, including me. Like even in conversation, I'm like,

oh, how about this? Well, how about this? Well, you know, it feels normal to have like five different conversations at once, but I need to practice slowing down, just focusing on one thing at a time. And definitely our phones aren't helping at all. Do you think we're not getting to know each other more as we get more into the 2020s,

2030s? Do you think we're losing that sense of intimacy? Yeah, I think it's very spotty. Yeah. I think it's very strange. I was just talking to a friend about this on Sunday. Because of this, there's somebody that I had met along the way, she was an acquaintance, and we started talking about arts and crafts and like, oh, you should come over. I was like, oh, you should come over. There's this craft I like to do. I don't know if you ever did it.

I'm Jewish, but we did it anyway. There's like Styrofoam balls and you take a stick pin and like a little bead and a little sequin and you stick them in and you completely cover like a styrofoam surface with like these sparkly beads and pins and we were both like, oh my God, I remember that from the 70s, we should do it. And then I actually called to see or I texted her to see if she wanted to actually come over and do it. Like instead of just letting it be this idea that we talk about for fun at a party, and she actually came over and we actually sat there for like three hours. My thumb is still sore. I should have used a thimble. But like, we actually did the craft and we hung out and we ate and we visited. And it was funny because the

night before I was on Facebook thinking, gosh, I really like, I really love seeing all my different friends from high school and from when I was a kid and from different, you know, my acting summer school that I did study theater in London. And I love seeing everybody's stories about what they're doing and their kids. And then I'm like, wow, it really gives me the illusion that I'm really close with them. Right. And some of them I am and a lot of them I'm not. And then I thought, wow, I wonder if I really need to pare down my exposure to all, you know, to just reading everybody's lives.

Because there's so many people that we've come to know through our kids, through our lives, through my siblings, through my friends' friends and projects and this and that. And so many amazing, interesting people. But how many do you have like come over to your house and do arts and crafts for three or four hours? Right. Do you have any friends? So I don't know.

Do you have any friends that you regret not giving that intimacy to because they passed away? A couple. A couple. Like who? I feel like I should have spent more time with my aunt, my aunt Jane. I think I did my best, but we lived in different cities and she was also very shy. So it wasn't, I think I did, I'd make a point to try to call her or talk to her, but I didn't know her that well.

And then as well as I feel like I should have or could have known her, I don't know. What was so special about her? Well, she was my dad's only sister. She knows my grandparents and all the family from her perspective, which is different from my dad's perspective. Right. Um, I think there's certain things biologically, like DNA wise that I have in common with her, some things that I think I overcame that she never overcame, like shyness and, um, and, and acting on things, you know, she had a lot of hopes and dreams, but she didn't always have the, the know-how or the fire under her.

Or the ability to break through that procrastination or the walls that keep you from doing things. Maybe even from seeing that I was like, I'm just gonna do it. I'm just gonna do it. Do you think it's genetic to like kind of break the wall? I think some of it's genetic. I feel so too.

You know the evolution, did you have that? Have you evolved at all from? Yeah, 100%. I agree. I mean, I grew up in LA, always watching the hustle, watching my really talented friends who I thought that were going to be really successful, just couldn't break the wall. And I was like the least talented one,

but I wanted it so bad that I broke the mold, the hair. Kevin Durant quote. The Kevin Durant, yeah. It's like, how badly do you want it Kevin Durant, yeah, it's like how badly do you want it maybe, or do you think it's genetically, like, you could see a goal and you could go through it. Is it like some people can't go through the goal, they could just dream it?

I can't tell, I don't know. There's so many variables. There's luck, there's talent, there's drive, there's the, you know, it's funny I have a lyric in a song too called Waiting for Wednesday. It's like, not that I'm better than you, but that I do it a lot. Like, you know, it's, you know, just doing it and trying to block out how good you are. Although I think it's really important when you're trying to do something also in certain

situations definitely to be aware of your audience or your people, your critics or your I think it's really important when you're trying to do something, also in certain situations, definitely to be aware of your audience or people, your critics or your supporters or whoever to try to keep you doing your best. How did you block out the critics and stuff when you're just trying to write art in the 90s? I think I tried to eat them. Did they taste good? I tried to devour them. No, I think what I tried to do instead of, I think I gave them,

unfortunately in some cases, but I think I gave them space. I would actually read what they had to say or I would hear them and I would try to quickly adjust if I felt that necessary in order to be like, what do you mean I do? I don't do that, you know? I do this. Or present myself in a way proactively. I saw other, after the fact, I don't know who specifically, but there were people that seemed to always be geniuses when the record label reps would talk about the other bands like, oh, they're a genius. Oh, yeah, that guy's a genius. He's a songwriter. He's a genius. And I was like, God, why are they geniuses? And I'm like, I'm a songwriter. Why am I not a genius songwriter, too? I mean, there are definitely cases where I think people's songwriting or talent is above and beyond,

definitely 100% more than what I'm doing. But there's equivalent people to me, I mean, there are definitely cases where I think people's songwriting or talent is above and beyond, definitely 100% more than what I'm doing. But there's equivalent people to me, I think, and they're geniuses. And then I started realizing, ah, you put that in the press release. You act like that when you're being interviewed on the radio station, you don't give them, you put the words in their mouth,

because they don't, you know, you try to control what you can. Yeah. And then keep doing your thing. But you know, what do you think? Like, I don't, I hate when people are like, I remember in the nineties, one journalist was super mean and called me like a waif, which was like a really thin, like a waif. Oh, not like a waif, but like a W-A-I-S. Oh, that. Okay. There was a really cool photo a W-A-I-F. Oh, that. Okay. There was a really cool photo shoot that we did and I was wearing this really cool-

Look at this white girl. She looked like a cookie. Yeah, she looks like, I would be like, you do look like a cookie. I'd love to be a cookie. Everybody loves cookies. Delicious. I know. I have my cookie magnet that I had in my locker when I was a kid and my ice cream magnet that

looked like real ice cream and real cookies. Come on, I just quit eating magnets. Don't show me that. So why did someone calling you away offend you so bad? No, it offended me because it took my, they were trying to take my power away. You know, in my brain, I was like a rock guitar player, indie musician, made my own records, independent artists had been doing it for years, made my own records, blah, blah, blah. records, independent artists, had been doing it for years, made my own records, blah, blah, blah. As a business person, I enjoyed knowing about the business of music as well as completely

separately making music, being really involved in everything, art direction of albums, making videos, producing my records, playing. Yeah, do yourself. You're like one of the OGs of that. All the stuff. DIY. Yeah. And so then you see a picture of yourself that's kind of cool and stylish, but it was like,

my hair was a little fluffy and a little out of focus. And because it was artsy and the journalist said I was a waif, it wasn't like she's a songwriter with guitar licks or she's a... You know, there was no... It was like, just pull the, you know, completely... So it's a book by its cover. So it's a book by its cover. Yeah, and I am a small person, like I'm petite, but like just just like take away that just and then other other journalists would quote those journalists who would say something like that. Oh fuck that. Because they don't want to do any of their own work. I know, right? Yeah, no one wants to work.

There's only one journalist and then like 80 journalists copying that journalist. They probably didn't even fucking listen to the song. Yeah, exactly. They're just like, oh, let's see the promo. Get out of here. There's one guy doing critic and 80 people copying him. Why do we still listen to that shit, Lisa? Copiers. Why do we still listen to that shit? No, no, no.

Well, I also, sometimes you can learn things from that stuff. You don't take it all, it's not everything you think, but I'm like, huh. It's like you're reading someone's journal. You're like, oh, sometimes those lyrics like this can come off like that. And I can think, well, that's fair. They are kind of journalier. Yeah, it is kind of straightforward. Or you know what? It wasn't meant to be straightforward, but I see their point. I got to dig deeper. You know, like, try to take a step back and use it as something positive. But I also have had journalists,

when I put out my last grownup record about, right, when COVID was happening, I had at least two or three journalists who said they apologized what they had written about me in the 90s. Oh, that's nice. That's cool. It's nice and also like, yeah, thanks,

you should have changed it. 30 years too late. Yeah. You still have a job with that bullshit article? Yeah, yeah, thanks. You should have like, 30 years too late. Yeah. You still have a job with that bullshit article. Yeah, yeah. You're still working. You're still fucking working every 30 years. Yeah, I thought every journalist got laid off. I know. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know, what's your relationship with like journalists and-

I mean, you take it with a grain of salt. I attack them. I've tried to fight them and it's stupid because it hurts my feelings. I have like guilt. I have like Jewish guilt. I have so much guilt that I feel like if I don't listen to it or don't read everything, then I might be missing out on something that could be productive criticism like you were talking about. See? Same.

Yeah. So it's like, how does the guilt... And you want to be strong. Right. Exactly. You're like, yeah, I'm strong. I can take it. Yeah.

Say whatever you want. And then they're fucking mean. and they're mean they hurt my feelings yeah they're really mean like why would you wear this why would you do that my friend Dan Seidon they have a band called the round band in college it was amazing and um it was hilarious because somebody gave them a really bad review and they just put it I think it was the round band and they just put it in their CD artwork yeah I love that lean into it baby youer into the curve. I got a few things I want to talk about before we get deeper into the later life of your career. I want to talk about high school. Being a Jew in Texas, not a lot of Jews.

Yeah. Not a lot of Jews. Private school, not a lot of private Jewish schools. Where you like go- No, I know like the seven kids. I could still say their names. I had to try. What was that like? You're like, we have to bring matzah. It's Passover.

We have to bring matzah. And you go home and you're like not eating matzah, but you have to like- Were you like a super Jew or Jewish? We were Jewish. We were Jewish. I mean, we were Jewish. I mean, it was my family's Jewish. We've been in Dallas and Texas for many generations, many generations

at the same synagogue. We did all the Hallmark holidays. We all were bar mitzvahed, bar mitzvahed, went to Sunday school all the way through 10th grade, even though there were some missed classes, quite a few missed classes. We were confirmed. We did all this stuff. We did all this stuff, but I was always very, I don't want to say cynical because I wasn't like mean and negative about it, but I was very like, hmm, what are all these people thinking sitting here in synagogue and like, can I stay awake this entire three hours? I did it. I survived Yom Kippur. You know, like I have repented for my sins. Such a boring holiday.

Yeah, I grew up Catholic and that was Easter Vigil. It's a fucking boring holiday. But now, I've reconnected with Judaism and, I mean, not that I ever separated, but I realized I needed to have more of a personal understanding and connection with it at a certain point during my grown up hood, because I was like, why is it, especially when I was single, I was like, why is it hanging over my head that I'm supposed to meet a nice Jewish guy when I'm like, oh, do I have to go to synagogue? Why? Right. I don't want to go to more synagogues. And then I started learning more about Judaism through some really amazing teachers, and I was

like, oh, this is cool, actually, this is really interesting. What'd you learn? I like this. What'd you learn? What you loved. Oh, I learned about, I started learning about the essences of different holidays and why we, why we celebrate them and how they give, can help highlight meaning in our life or give a structure.

I learned that we don't know anything and we can just keep asking more and more questions. And this one rabbi I had, especially, he would talk about the historic context and the metaphorical context of things and poetic meaning and it just became very like real and it made your brain kind of get to a higher place. Like that felt spiritual, you know, like that thinking and that understanding and the knowledge that you can, like that thinking and that understanding and the knowledge that you can feel like, I don't connect with this part or, and that's okay. I think that's one of the beautiful things about getting older too. I had that same theory

when I was in Hebrew school, like this is all seems like it's fictional characters and as I get older, I'm starting to understand why people believe in religion. You know, there's like this and you can pick parts of it. You don't have to do the whole, you don't have to. Yeah, it's like we get older. That's why I was like, I was thinking about this, like going back into your music career. When you were just do it yourself,

you're fucking nose to the ground, working hard, and you had to give that control back to Geffen. Was that hard? It had been hard to not have control. I don't, yeah, I didn't love that. And I didn't really give the control. I know. I collaborated with them.

You know, you work with them, you work with them. We ended up with great art directors in the art department and then for my first record, they hired somebody outside the company to work with me and it was amazing. And then I worked with people in Geffen and I really, I always felt like I was collaborating with and like, like how can I help the radio department?

What can we do? My mom would call and like, oh, the posters are not at the record store in Dallas. And then Geffen was super on top of that because also Edie Burkell was from Dallas. Oh wow. They knew they needed to keep Burkell was from Dallas. Oh, wow. And they knew they needed to keep the posters up in Dallas at certain record stores. But I learned that it was like really collaborative and what I did get really frustrated with was the whole thing. You know, by my second record, they were like, oh, you need to write some singles.

And you're like, what? You feel like you're in an episode of Behind the Music on the H1. Like, and then they had to write the singles. And, but that being said, I ended up learning a lot from writing the singles and working with the musicians I worked with on those. And what was frustrating though,

is when the record company, after a couple of months, they're like, okay, we're done. Like, we're not done. No, we're not. You know? Not today. So working with major labels, when they get to the months, they're like, okay, we're done. Like, we're not done. No, we're not. Not today. So working with major labels when they get to the place where they're done, but you're not and they won't let you go. And they won't really support you doing your own thing. But it's like, that's what musicians do. We all keep touring, we all keep playing these songs

until we feel, you know, until it's time to make the next thing. And then we work on that thing. And so we should all work together because we're just gonna help you sell more records So if you'll help us a little bit it will help us a lot Did they and so that kind of thing was frustrating when they wouldn't tell you everything because you're the artist and right They weren't yeah, they give you a bigger leash because you had such a massive single. I Always thought at least for the first record they did because the single was a number one hit when I signed my deal. It was fucking huge! Yeah, you were already... But I think, you know, it's hard to know when I look back because that's what I always think that it... I had a good amount of confidence.

I had had a great following and great music friends and college and right after college and right after college. And so it felt like things were going well for the most part, they were looking up. And I thought that because this weird song, Stay, which didn't really have a typical structure or a chorus, because it became so popular and it was kind of a typical type of song I might write, I thought that that gave them confidence in me, but I don't know. I still don't understand how they decide

what's a hit and what's not a hit. I definitely think when record companies start putting a lot of money into a song, it helps the chances a lot of having a hit. But I know so many, like we all do, amazing songs that are not hits per se. You know, they're not on the charts or something, but they're amazing.

So I don't know, I just don't know. How many songs did they say no to on the single world until they finally gave you some dough for some single money? A whole album's worth. At least a whole album's worth. You know, they're like, well. Holy shit!

You know, you turn in an album and they're like, well, I'm not sure I hear a single. And you're like, which is why on my second, on my record, firecracker, which was my second Geffen record, my hit, my single I wrote was called I do, which was you don't hear it, but I do. And it was about the record company, not hearing a single, but I do. And I'm like, I'm going to write the most straightforward song I can write. It's going to be so easy to understand. That's awesome. I'm like, I'm going to write the most straightforward song I can write. It's going to be so easy to understand. It's just like a walk down G chord. It's just going to be so easy.

The first thing I play, that's going to be the chorus. And then they made it like a top 40 hit. So I don't know. I don't know if the song was good or if I had- Were you pissed that that was the song song was good or if I had it. Were you pissed that that was the song that got picked? Because I was passionate. I was passionate and angry and I think that authenticity comes through in relating to

audiences. I also think a record company promoting something is helpful. Does it hurt? So I don't know. Yeah, it's crazy. I just sold a song to Zac Brown and it was a song that didn't even make my record. And it was just a sugar, you know, just a song to Zac Brown and it was a song that didn't even make my record. And it was just a sugar, you know,

just a song about smoking weed. And I'm like, it's not making my record. And they're like, it's it, it's the single. I'm like, am I overthinking music? It's like, do you ever get to that point? Are you overthinking? Like, do you feel like you overthink music sometimes? I overthink everything. I overthink everything.

I overthink everything. I think some of it is being very thorough. Some of it's just being thorough. That same, I was talking about the band called The Round Band, my friend Dan Seiden. I remember working, and I can write a song in three hours or two minutes or 20 years it could take me to write a song. I was working on this one song so hard, and Dan happened to be around, and he's like,

oh, you have anything you're working on? And that makes me so nervous when people are like, oh, you have anything you're working on? I'm like, if it was done, I would have played it for you already. But I was like, okay. So I played him this song I was working on, and he goes, well, you're done. You're done.

I was like, I'm done? He's like, yeah, you're done. You're done with that. And I was like, oh my God, it's that same thing, you're done. You're done with that. And I was like, oh my god It's that same thing. So like how many songs do I have that are done and I have no idea It's the over there totally like it goes. No, it goes back to the religion though. It goes back to religion We don't need to like have all of it. How much it you could just need a little bit of it or like just know What parts you need to?

Feel complete. Why do we feel like we need everything to be fucking perfect to feel complete, just know what parts you need to feel complete. Why do we feel like we need everything to be fucking perfect to feel complete, you know? I don't know, but that's been a fun thing as a songwriter recently, like, just trying to say, like, yeah, that part doesn't matter. Or what I do is I stand up when I'm writing lyrics. Because when I listen to music, I'm not hunched over listening to all the lyrics and the clever things happening. I'm sort of walking or driving or things hit me more in a

different way. And to try to write the way that I listen to music is a skill I'm trying to continue to be better at. And it's more fun to sing them live sometimes. And people understand them better more quickly sometimes. You get better melodies in my head when I'm out for a walk, then I always forget to write them down. I know. Or like when you're sleeping. You've got to write them down.

Do you wake up from a dream and write stuff down as much? I try to, but I never actually. I have. I have a couple times. And then a couple times recently, even I remember I was like, oh yeah, I don't know why I'm like falling asleep. I'm like, yeah, I'll remember this tomorrow. What about, okay, I would like to know the train. So when, when Gavin said, no more, we're done. And you had to move to A&M records. No, no, no. Well, that wasn't, that was actually not a we're done. And you had to move to A&M Records. No, no, no, that wasn't, that was actually not a we're done. That was a, we're selling our record companies

getting sold to you. Oh, so you just got lost into the system. Blah, blah, blah. So you're still signed to us. And it was funny because the person who became in charge of my record was this guy, Ron Fair, who was an A&R, like a really major A&R person who, when I was in college, there was an A&R, like a really major A&R person who, when I was in college, there

was a guy who wanted to sign my band, Liz and Lisa, to EMI Records. And Ron Fair was the head guy. And not only did Ron not sign us, he fired that guy. He fired that guy who started his own record company, Rob Gordon. He started What Our Records. He worked with the samples and a bunch of other bands. Yeah, great. They set up Colorado. So Rob wanted to sign us to EMI in college. Ron Fair didn't sign

us. Then cut to 1994, who's in charge of the Reality Bytes soundtrack at the record company RCA? Ron Fair. Oh, wow. And he put my song Stay onto the Reality Bytes soundtrack. Oh man. And then cut to, and I didn't sign with RCA Records, I signed with Geffen because they were more of like an indie major label feeling record company. And also the guy who signed me, the A&R person, this guy Jim Barber had been a fan for many, many years before I had songs on the

radio. He'd seen me at all the music conferences and all the showcases and whatever and shows. But anyway, so then Interscope buys, takes over Geffen and A&M is also part of it. And guess who's in charge of my record? Ron Fair. Ron Fair. Wow. So he's back again. So I was making, so that's when it got really frustrating. I was working with Jimmy Ivey and Tom Wally over at Interscope. And I always felt like I was too organized or something. Like I would go in there and I would feel like we're

going to have a business meeting about the record. And they just kind of, like I didn't catch their attention. They had other artists on there, like Courtney Love and I think a lot of people who are more dramatic and more, I don't think it resonated well with them, me playing them songs. And then like, I remember Jimmy Iveen coming to the studio at Bob Clear Mountains, we were mixing because we were getting close to finishing this record. And his Blackberry didn't work, he couldn't be honest. He was often

like on his Blackberry, I remember, in meetings with a hat. But he was actually listening and he was like, oh yeah, some standout tracks. Which in my mind was like, he likes the record. There are standout tracks. To me that means like singles or... Yeah. And then Tom Wally, also one of the main guys, he's like, oh yeah, like he... To me, he seemed to have pointed out certain songs he liked. And then I had a meeting with them soon thereafter and they're like, when are you going to start the record? What? And I'm like, what's happening?

Are you kidding me? It's like Twilight Zone, dude. All these guys had never picked up an instrument, too. It was like the Twilight Zone. It was like the Twilight Zone and it was this weird feeling where like you're, you know what it's like, you're making a record. It's the same as when you're an indie artist, as when you're with label, you're making it, you have a process, you're doing it, you show it to the powers that be, whether it's your best friends and your parents

or the rest of the band or your record company. And you all like, yeah, but that just kept dragging on and on and on. And then Ron Fair became part of the process and he helped us record some singles, which meant like re-recording some of the songs like in a much more expensive studio with studio musicians and all this stuff. We spent all this money and then it still wasn't, they still,

you could tell they weren't super into it still. It's not the magic. But they put it out, I know, but they put it out anyway and they weren't really promoting it very well. It was really, really frustrating and you're like, ah, can't we just promote this? Oh, and I think at the time, Can't we just promote this? Oh, and I think at the time, the album was called Cake and Pie, which is a philosophy of mine. What is it? Like if somebody offers you, if somebody offers you cake or pie, you can say cake and pie. You can have it all.

I'm with you on that. So anyways, I was obsessed with the Food Network at the time, and I was working with Dweezil Zappa. You were dating him, right? And he was makingzal Zappa. You were dating him, right? And he was making the record with me. You were dating him? Yeah. We were making the record together

and we approached the Food Network to see if they wanted to, we wanted to do this thing that Interscope wouldn't pay for, which was get our friend who's a chef to make pies on stage at like some events, at like some record releases, you know, the record stores.

And Interscope wouldn't pay money to help us like do that promotion. We're like, but it'll be so cool. It'll be like we play music, our friend makes pie on stage, and we give out samples to everyone and maybe we have like Cheesecake Factory or something as a sponsor and they're actually helping us give out the pie. And they said no, but we went ahead and did it anyway and it was super cool. And it got some coverage. And then we went to the Food Network and said,

hey, do you guys want to highlight this promotion and this thing that we're doing on one of your shows? And instead they gave us a show. So we ended up with a food show on the Food Network. Was the label pissed that they said no? And then you guys got the show anyway? They just didn't give a fuck. They didn't care.

These guys are the worst. And then along the way, Danny Goldberg, who is like a big music business person, and Daniel Glass. Daniel Glass? I know Daniel Glass. Sorry, they started a label. Daniel Glass and Danny Goldberg started a record label that was a boutique record label. And I was like, well, this is great because these are two really experienced people.

And they're like, we want to take your album, Cake and Pie, we want to re-release it on our label because we think it deserves much more promotion. So I moved over there, changed a few of the songs, changed the album cover. It didn't work, it still didn't work. Fuck! That's what I'm saying, is it hard to convince radio when you're re-recording an album? Is it hard to convince radio to like give it another shot? Yeah. I don't know. I remember Jewel did a lot of re-recording of her singles off of her huge record,

and those singles did really well, and it worked. But the record company was behind her the whole way. My buddy Steve Pultz used to date Jewel. Steve, yeah. Steve, I wrote a bunch of songs with her. He's my writing partner. You're writing with him? I write with him.

Tell him I said hi. I will for sure. It's so her. He's my writing partner. You're writing with him? I write with him. Tell him I said hi. I will for sure. It's so fast. We did some touring together. Tell him Lisa Lopes said hi. We did.

I did a tour where he and Rufus Wainwright were my openers. Whoa. Wow. Sounds like a good night to me. Was this when Poults was on the sauce still or no? I'm not sure. Probably. There was a lot of sauce and I wasn't on it.

Did you ever get it? Because I was working. I want to go back to this idea of this metaphor you're saying when you're not hungry, don't eat. You had a massive hit. That's just the real, that's real life. So you had a massive hit. The other metaphor was like eat cake and pie.

I like your balance. You have a great balance in your book. I love you. You're the best. You don't have to balance. You have a great balance in your book. I love you. Don't have to choice. You're the best, Lisa. Just have both. You're not a...

And also make sure you're hungry, because then you can, you know, eating donuts in the afternoon when you're hungry, best time to eat donuts. I know. What about after you got that massive success, were you still hungry in your career? To keep getting bigger and bigger?

Yes, because it was like part of the, you know, it's just like, oh yeah, okay, this is happening. Now I was making records and touring And bigger and bigger? Because it was like part of the, you know, it's just like, oh yeah, okay, this is happening. Now, I was making records and touring and making more records and touring and making more records and touring and still doing the same thing, making more records and touring and then making more records and touring and trying to figure out what's fun. I mean, touring is really fun, but like recently my tour manager, I go out a lot with just me and a guitar. Yeah. And we were choosing different hotels and you know, you want to

be budget friendly. But I was showing up at a couple of hotels thinking, eh, this isn't really nice enough. Like it didn't have to be the four seasons every hotel, but like, eh. And then I would see a day off and there was a hotel and I'm like, well, is that the good part of town to stay in or is that like a weird suburb to stay in? And he's like, he asked my manager in the sweetest way, he's like, so wait, basically when Lisa's on tour, it's a road trip and she plays some shows. And like, yeah, exactly.

But you're like, you know, like, where are you gonna get your food? Where are you gonna get your coffee? What is the best, you know, if you spend $30 more, $50 more a room,'s your quality of life. Going to feel like you're there and you're like, you know, you're enjoying yourself. We've been doing that too. That's why I got the tour bus.

That's why I'm getting hotels on our days off. Like you have to enjoy it. I interviewed Steve Van Zandt and he said some crazy things like, you only should play every other day. I'm like, how do you make money? He can, he can. He can, we can do that. I was just talking to a guy who played with, I was working with a guy who played a lot

with Aerosmith and I think they did like a show and then two days off and a show. Yeah. And it was like, yeah, if you can do that. But they can do that. They can do that. I understand you also need to be, I love that combination of the logistics of business also. Right. And making the choices, getting all the information. That's true. So how do you do- Sometimes you do stay in a, not the best hotel, but the location's good and then you don't

have to drive as far and blah, blah, blah. Right. Worst gig you ever played, the whole situation. There's so many bad gigs. There's so many great gigs. Lately, the weird gigs have been, I mean, a lot of those radio shows where you'd literally hear people promoting it on the air back in the day, they're like, come party with Lisa Loeb and Duncan Cheek. And I'm like, neither of us are partying. I've never seen cocaine. I don't know why you're saying that. I've never even seen it. Like don't even talk to me about it.

No, we're going to get arrested. But also recently, what's been a little strange are shows that are not your own. You know, like I play some events that are amazing, great fundraisers for really great causes. And sometimes it's like a normal gig where everybody's like, wrapped, R-A-P-T, that's the word, wrapped. We're just listening and you're playing songs and you're all there together and you're trying to find songs that resonate with the event that you're playing and it's amazing. And then sometimes lately there's a couple of

events where you get up to play and people are having like full, full-on conversations right in front of the stage. And you're playing solo acoustic guitar. I'm playing solo acoustic and I'm smiling, like what is happening? Why are you talking? I'm literally right here. You should just interrupt the conversation.

And they're like, hey buddy, great to see you. I have, I've been like, yeah, it's great to see you too. You know, some guy slapping the other guy's back, it was great to see you, I hope to see you soon. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, you say,'s great to see you too. You know, like some guy like slapping the other guys back, like it was great to see you, I hope to see you soon. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, you say, I hope to see you soon too. I only hear you when I want to. But then they don't get the joke. And then for the people who are listening,

it was like, oh, why'd I do that? Like, don't, don't, the people who are listening are listening to people who aren't, but it's just so unusual to be like out of your natural habitat where people actually are just like listening to people who aren't, but it's just so unusual to be out of your natural habitat where people actually are just listening to every word. And then you play something that's not exactly, you know. It reminds me of that movie The Wrestler, when the old wrestler's signing the autographs,

and he's like, the other guy's like, they're talking about something other than shit, I'm like, I would be like, I'd be so pissed, but I realize I still have a job to do for the hundred or two hundred people that actually are coming out of the show. Like why are we so focused on these two assholes not caring? Because they're in the front row and they're being assholes.

Like why are you in the front row, by the way? Exactly, well I used to, I know in the early days, like when I was doing all those radio shows, and people really were there to hear that big hits of whoever was there. But you'd play a 30 minute set. And I remember at a couple of them, I played our songs today, early in the set. And people would just like leave. I'm like, what? But I would see guys, like no offense to baseball caps, but the backwards baseball cap dudes out in the audience who were just like, yeah, we're here. And I'm like, that's not the kind of music I'm playing exactly. And the songs of mine that are like that, that you might like that are like rock tunes, you're not going to listen

to because you don't know them yet. And before I went out, I would be like, Jesus, I'd be like, think of Jesus and they know not what they do. You know, like, they don't know. They're just having a good time. Yeah, like, I'd be 30 bucks. And I've seen other artists get mad. I recently have seen another artist kinda talk to those people who aren't listening, or kinda make sort of side comments about like,

oh, those people who aren't listening, or whatever. And it just doesn't work. No. Makes it worse. It doesn't work. Yeah, it's kind of petty. Y'all end up, I know, but when you're up on stage, I feel like every once in a while, you need to say something so that you can tell those people that like, I know and you know,

we know what's happening over there, but just don't worry, it's fine, I don't care. Does that happen to you? Do you guys have weird? Yeah, I'm not, I'm in a rock band. Yeah, we've, I've, yeah. It'd be hard to talk over a rock band. Yeah, we've, yeah. It'd be hard to talk over Andy's band. Yeah, we're a loud band.

We're a loud rock and roll band. But I think about that a lot. Like, I think about that with comedians a lot. Oh my God. It's so hard. And solo artists too. Do you ever like, this crowd doesn't deserve stay. Fuck these, like, you know, you guys are being assholes.

You don't get stay. It's the encore? If you're good, I'll play it. They paid. Yeah. No, I do. I play it every time because I know when I was a kid, I went to go see, even when I thought I was like cool and knew the underground songs, I wanted to hear songs that I thought were

really indie songs, but were actually popular songs. And I'm going to play those songs for them. I will say I played with Lyle Levitt. I was on tour with him recently and we were trading songs. Oh, sick! Yeah, it was really great. And we're sitting and playing and he plays a song and then I'm like, oh, what do I want to play? And there was no set list. There ended up being some songs that you always wanted to play. And for me, yeah, I want to play Stay. Like that

might be a song people already know. Yeah. Or they may say like, oh, right, I know that person or somebody might actually really want to hear the song. So there's a handful of songs and then a bunch of other ones I mess around and play this or that. I had a call, we got a call from the promoter one day saying, you didn't play Stay last night. Oh shit.

And they were kind of annoyed and I just had no idea. I totally spaced. I just spaced. There's like a million other songs I might play, songs to tell stories about, songs to play. And I just forgot. Who complained? Somebody, I know, well the promoter. And the thing is they could have just yelled it out from the

audience. It wasn't like people weren't allowed to interact a little bit. Right. What's Lyle like? I love, he's my favorite. He's so good. You love it? I love it. Is he a nice guy? You love it. I love it See a nice guy. Um, he's yeah, he's very nice. He's very exacting. He's Really great storyteller on stage and off stage

Yeah, he's really interesting guy is a lot of different interests like like well he used to do motorcycling Motorcycling right motor. Yeah a photographer He's like a business man dad. He's got little kids. Yeah. It's amazing. Texan. Do you like touring by yourself versus touring with a band? Does it feel like it's like less stress to just be there by yourself? I'm not asking for my own opinion. This isn't any...

Don't read into this. His band's not downstairs. Don't read into this at all. I know they're not downstairs, but what do you like better, Lisa Lowe? Look, I'll tell you how it's done. I like both. Yeah? Lately, I have tell you how it's done. I like both. Yeah? Lately, I have been doing a lot more solo shows.

I mean, to be lazy, I don't have to rehearse at all ever. I do run through certain songs or if there's certain songs that I have trouble singing on stage. I also work with a vocal coach. If I'm like, every time I sing this song, I'm faking this one part and I'm like, oh God, I can't believe I just sung it that way or, ooh, that didn't feel right in my throat, what did I just do? So I work on my songs in that way, but otherwise I have a really long list of songs and I try to rotate them around and so it's really easy and flexible and fun. And I always go with the tour manager who's a sound engineer,

so it's not like I'm literally by myself. I mean, I don't mind being by myself, I love being by myself, but I don't have to deal with logistics, a lot of logistics. You know, somebody's putting my equipment together and taking it down and all that. But I also love playing with the band. It's so much fun. I love all the different guys I play with and we get guitar solos and harmonies and it's really, really fun. It's also, you know also more costly because you're feeding and sheltering many more people. There's a lot of moving parts, and that can be difficult. If money were no object, I probably would do much more band touring. But that being said, I feel like the audience sometimes,

like you said, when you're loud, people talk over you. It's just a different thing. I find, I know even with some of my favorite songwriters, I remember Shawn Colvin. I love her songwriting. And I have to say, even though I really like the band members who play with her, when she's just playing solo, or Bonnie Raitt, I really like that. Just solo with a guitar.

I just really like that. Well, keep being a bad ass, Lisa. I'm ruining you on. I'm always have. Keep being a great mom. Keep being a great songwriter. The world needs you. Yeah, the world needs you.

And thank you for the advice. And good luck out there. My final question before I let you go is, when it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? My chicken enchiladas. Hell yeah! You make a bomb chicken enchiladas? Yeah, they're green chili chicken enchiladas. No, I don't know.

I don't know. Hopefully being, I don't know, for a connection, remembered, you know, through that feeling of connection. Yeah, well thank God. We felt the connection today. That sounds super groovy. No, thank God we felt the connection That's not super groovy. That's a hard question. It's a hard question like I know people want to talk about the end a lot

But sometimes we all have maybe maybe we don't need to think about legacy. I've been thinking about that too Like why do we have to think about legacy? Maybe the word legacy always. It's very heavy. But what I do like, I do like, like I said, thinking about how are you living your life? Right. You know, what's actually important to you? There are always things that you must do that might not be as important to you or as interesting to you to help support what is interesting to you.

Right. You know? So yeah, just living life to its fullest, whatever that means. Sorry. Whatever that means to you. I'm getting a bunch of texts about the debate. Oh yeah, do your thing. Go watch it.

Amen, Queen. Go get them. Keep kicking ass. We'll talk soon. See you all soon. Thank you. Take care. Bye, Lisa.

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