Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 294: Cameron Winter (Geese)

Episode Date: October 29, 2024

One question: Where the haters at?? And how does regional passive aggressiveness present itself? Plus: wise words of wisdom from Nick in which he alleviates Andy's autocritical tendencies. Don't forget- Eggy rules. Lawrence rules. Music is GOOD right now, you guys. And you know who's REALLY good? Our guest on the Interview Hour this week as we welcome frontman/leadsinger of the killer New York City rock band, Geese: Cameron Winter! Cameron's got a solo album coming out soon and you can stream some high-quality tunes right now. Don't miss out. We're psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Mara Davis

Wow. And we're live. Andy Frasca's World Saving Podcast. You hear my voice? I am feeling way better than last week. You took a day off. I took half? I did. Maybe you need to be Christian because you had a nice Sunday off. Maybe you need to convert. My method of keeping my partying okay. Here we go. Here comes the thing everyone's known for 30 years. Here comes a very obvious.

Hello, Nick Gerlach on the show. We got Cameron from Geese on the show as well. But before we talk about that, every other day. Yeah. I didn't realize that. God damn it. I party one day. The next day, I chill on my couch.

I love when you have these revelations that are like very basic fucking things we all realize in our late 20s. Every other day is still kind of a lot by the way. You're not that young anymore. I'm thinking you should convert to Christianity since you're taking Sundays off. Yeah, you're watching football, sleeping all day Sunday. I was like, oh, maybe he's not Jewish. Maybe he's Catholic. I was playing NBA 2K with my character, Andy Frasco. I was like, oh, maybe he's not Jewish. Maybe he's Catholic. I was playing NBA 2K with my character, Andy Frasco. I'm 15 and 0 with the Lakers.

I scored 15 three-pointers in one game. I'm still running Dr. Barth in college football. You're Dr. Barth? Yeah. I never make myself when I make the characters. I never make it. I'm not a narcissist like you. I make a weird-looking guy with weird beard and a crazy name

No, I always make myself. I'm like damn this would have what life I could have and if I wasn't into Cocaine and rock and roll. I don't think you would have made the NBA if you were no way. Yeah, you're 6-1 no way in hell I would make the NBA. Yeah, but maybe I could work in the NBA Yeah, maybe I could see that marketing something some sort of marketing for the Clippers, not the Lakers Clippers, your more Clippers material or Charlotte Hornets. Dude, their new stadium is amazing. I know too bad. No one's going to show up. Yeah, that's true. We hate the Clippers here. Fuck the and by the way, this is an anti-clippers. Congratulations to the Los Angeles Dodgers. My team lost by Jordan. I know I wasn't going to give you shit about it,

but John Bon Jovi, my agent is a Mets fan and I got to give it to the Mets because no one, no one believed in the Mets, which is weird because they have the highest payroll in the league almost, but what I really have people are acting like there's some underdog with their like three hundred million dollars. Oh, word. Then it was a good fight and I was talking more shit than John was and John's a bigger baseball fan than me way bigger I would say yeah, he's huge any and then he called me right after he's a great game. Yeah, blah blah blah So sorry about your Mets, but the Dodgers are going to the World Series of the Yankees. It'd be fun

I wanted to go but the tickets probably ten thousand dollars. I wanted Cleveland to go but the Yankees are just better It's fine. Yeah, you think so., Cleveland. Yeah, they almost had it. Not really. They had one game. But the time this records, there's already going to be one or two games. I love playoff baseball though. It's so fun. It's the most anxious. I got into baseball now.

It's so anxious. It is. The anxiety of playoff baseball. I love it. Just one thing can change everything. I know. It's so cool. It's like the opposite of basketball, kind of. It's kind of like this weekend. We hung out. We hung out.

Me and Andy, we like hung out as friends. We hung out as friends. I'm such a good hang. Oh my God. It was great. We were hanging out. We were puffing cigs. I was puffing cigs.

Talking cigs. I had a couple cigs. It's fine. OK, you could be. All right. You don't want to. I have a drink. I'm going to have a couple.

Yeah, I'm not like a, you know, whatever. Yeah. Oh, man. Then we went to the new Sancho's bar that's cleaned up, which is so weird. Velvet Banjo, felt like a hotel lobby in there. It did, I didn't like the sterleness of it. I like it better than what it was though.

It was a dungeon. Because I started my career at Sancho's. You did. Every Monday. I think everyone did in Denver. I never played there. One dollar, it was like one dollar band night. It was like-

And I remember sticking to the floor because I was always barefoot. It was just so gross in there. But kind of had a charm. Yeah. First time I ever did cocaine was in that bathroom. I don't believe that. Really?

Yeah, I think so, actually. I was 23. You didn't do it in high school in LA? No, I was 23 when I first did cocaine. That's pretty good. I think that, yeah. It's a good age to start doing it. But I like the bar, y'all.

If you're in the Denver area, go. It's nice in there. You know who else I saw that was- They should sponsor this podcast. Yeah. There's a free plug for you, Velvet Banjo. Velvet Banjo, where people used to do cocaine in the bathroom. Probably still do.

It's nice there though. It's like, you know, it was good. The drink was good. Yeah, it was good. There was girls there. There was dudes there. There was women there. There was a good mix of-

Dude, there was women at the fucking Aggie show. I wanted to talk about it by the way. Shout out to Aggie. He was sounding fucking bro. We got a lot of that was really nice. You know, because always we always talk about dogs in the pile. Well, they're both good bands. I mean, that's a joke.

Totally. But I never gave Aggie a shot and they're not a game of shot. I've seen festival shows and seeing a band at a festival show is way different. Everybody should see a club show of your favorite band. They write songs. I didn't realize how song-writing they are. It was nice. I liked it.

Very pro-sound, very clean and nice. I was very impressed. Very good time. And they actually have girls at their shows, which is kind of a nice change of pace. Yeah. Only jam band that brings women. Good looking women too.

Good looking. Ain't good looking dude. It's that Connecticut money, baby. It's that Bitcoin. Bitcoin? That Bitcoin. Bitcoin? That's Indiana's.

Bitcoin chicks. That's Indiana's Bitcoin. Everyone I met was like from like, you know, from the city or I'm from Connecticut or you know, like being from Connecticut is insane. But shout out. Thanks for bringing the rich girls to Denver. I was having great conversations with everyone. It was just like very intellectual. Yeah. It was not like a disco biscuit concert where we're just talking about ketamine and fucking four on the four beats.

And people were like not super fucked up. No. It was good. But the bar was slammed. Yeah, but yeah, they were having a good time, but they weren't like, people weren't getting dragged out of their comas. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's a shout out.

And then before that, I went to Lawrence. God, that band. Larry? I'm very proud of that band too. They sold out the fucking Fillmore. Yeah, they're blowing up. They're blowing up. And like, it was a good show.

Like, it was a production. Yeah, they have like the stage sets now. TVs and like, they had cameras and like, I mean, I got to give it up for Lawrence too. That was a really good show. Like they had it was a production. Yeah. They have like the stage. They had cameras and like, I mean, I got to give it up for Lawrence too. That was a really good show. Larry. They opened for us 10 years ago. So many bands. There's so many bands now. I know this is why no one's selling tickets because of the fatigue. There's so many bands just out there. This is why I didn't do a fall tour. So many freaking bands. Smart of you to do that. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're gonna do good.

Are you gonna come to my show in December? I'm opening for Sean's new band. Oh yeah, ladies and gentlemen, Sean is in a band. He's quitting the Andy Frask when you join. Breaking news, Sean is leaving the band to start a side project with Jeff Franka. Good luck. No, Franka's a good guy. Tongue hammer. But yeah, Sean's putting out a new record with his other band. And we're going to start playing the songs because, you know, Sean's my boy. They're probably good. I haven't heard them yet. I heard the record.

It's like rock, right? Like rock and roll. We're open to trying like, like, like radio rock, you know, like cool. Well, Jeff's a good drummer. Silver Sun pickups are like, yeah, or Chevelle silver chair They're probably gonna hate that Jesus I didn't mean it that bad the official baby. You're a crazy bitch. So the official band of Monster Energy drink

Pretty rock and roll like that. I don't think Chevelle's that bad. I don't know who they are. I couldn't the names. I just associate them with a certain group of people. I don't. I'm not shitting on tongue hammer. It's just that rock and roll thing. I mean, Chevelle, you know, just associated them with a certain group of people that work

at the gas station by my house where I also work there too. So that's funny because we're opening for Dragon to your December six. Everybody get your tickets. Yeah. Grab your tickets. December six. I'm playing first. Get there early and leave when I'm done. Yep. And buy your tickets for the Bayless Frasco girl lock extravaganza. Extravaganza. What is that band called? Does that have a name? It's called Bayless Frasco. Oh, that's a good name. That's what it is. Yeah. It's like the butterfly point. No bullshit. I don't need to have a band name for a fucking side project.

No, you know, Bayless Frasco. That's it. Bayless first for sure. Bayless first. He's the goat. I love that. That was awesome when he called last week. He's a guy.

You guys don't have anything to fucking talk about, do you? Maybe you're just interesting. Bayless. You ever think about that? Maybe like we just actually want to catch up with a fucking friend. Yeah, we're going to ruin his life on that tour. Yeah, I heard his wife might be coming. His wife's coming. Sam's coming. Sam's doing merch or what?

We even got Chris Galbuta coming out for one night. Which one? The first Indiana town. White's town. Hobart. Oh, was it Hobart then White's town? Hobart's White's town. I thought it was White's town then Hobart.

I don't know. We'll get to meet Taylor Swift. I doubt it. I don't think she's playing in those bigs. I didn't know how close it was to Indy. It's like an hour outside of it. Dude. So everyone. Oh, yeah. And also, if you're traveling to come to these Bayless

Frasco shows this weekend, first of all, get Taylor Swift is in town and the tickets and the I know that's probably going to scare people from going. But why in Chicago? You could like there's there's hotels, there's cheap hotels a little bit outside of town. Yeah, that's where Weistown is. It's like there's there's hotels, there's cheap hotels a little bit outside of town. Yeah, that's where white town is.

It's like you got to go a little further. Oh, really? Wow. It's expensive in white town. Grab your tickets. Indiana, let's do a big. I'll be there. All you trap people that aren't going to Taylor Swift.

Come on up. Yeah, we're the official after party. I'll give you 30 seconds. OK, you can tell me how much fun you used to see me in the Twin Cats back in the day and then we're done, okay? Is that always how it's like in Indianapolis? Kind of, yeah, everybody just wants to know what I'm doing. They're all waiting for me to fall apart.

I got so many haters in Indiana. Really? Yeah. I got so many haters in LA. Yeah, that's probably different. Why? It's our hometown. LA's better at hating. No, I I'm just kidding Indiana haters are just different Midwest I think Midwest passive aggressive is just as bad as the LA pass. It's a different. Yeah

It's a little different because they could actually beat your ass in the Midwest. I think you know in LA. It's like what you gonna do You played Pippen You're in Pippen bro You were the lead in Annie bro. Just guy works at a construction site. You were the dog and Pippen. Yeah, exactly. It's like a Duncan high school. How you doing? I'm doing great today. I feel great, dude. This every other day partying is awesome.

I can't believe it Yeah, it's good time Did you ever let you sleep on the couch I sleep on the couch a lot I love I love sleep on the couch me too anytime she has to be at work like kind of early and I get home Kind of late. I don't even bother You're sweet. Yeah, I like it. I mean, you know, you can't sleep in the same bed. A lot of couples do this really? Yeah, you can't just always be touching. You know what I mean? Plus Denzel's in there and he's very, very selfish.

He gets, he takes up half, he would not move. If I come to bed, he'd just like, oh, that's so funny. Yeah. He gets protective of her when she's in bed too. He'll like lean, like lean over her. If you're, yeah, it's, he's, he doesn't like when one person's, whoever it is one person's laying down there's someone standing up near them

He gets protective remember he did it here. Yeah, he doesn't like it. I don't know why shit He's a poodle. He's a poodle day Remember when he was so scared of that white dude that came over. Oh, yeah, the big guy Yeah, he doesn't like Sanders. Yeah, he doesn't like bigger guys like that. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, he doesn't look Yeah, he did that to someone else too. Yeah, you know anytime someone's like six one and a little thicker He doesn't like him that much. It's interesting. What's your plan this week? Well, it's Monday. I got cherry tonight. We got two interviews tomorrow. Yeah, David Shaw and Midland Midland I don't got a drinking country

It's like I don't got a drinking problem. I got no problem drinking at all Good line clever. It's crazy that country guys are still coming off with clever lyrics about drinking I'm excited to interview David again because last time he's done it before that was the biggest one of the biggest interviews I did cuz he was talking about how he got raped by a dude When was this was before I was on the podcast or yeah, this was earlier. Yeah, so I haven't talked to him in so long He just had a kid his kid looks exactly like him. It's wild, dude. Really? It's like a it's like a mini day I like Dave I did one or two gigs of them before he got famous, but he was nice to me after that He remembered me and I was like damn that's cool. Most people don't give a shit

Yeah, we lost contact with each other for a little bit. He's busy catch up. My good friends is getting popular revivalist They play trivia a lot. They use my book on tour a lot. Oh really? Yeah, Samia says she reads the questions. Oh, hello Samia. How's she doing? Yeah, she's been on busy. She's a tour director for C3 now. Oh, so she's tour managing everybody? I don't know. She's like the tour director. I don't know exactly what it entails, but.

She probably, because she, I've been seeing her tour manage a lot of other stuff. She doesn't tour manage everybody. Like she doesn't go on tour with every band. That'd be impossible on C3. Oh, that'd be impossible and see three there So she does like she kind of probably just oversees the stuff and then she's not going on the road anymore with revival as she is Oh, yeah, yeah, that sounds like a dream gig. She works her ass off. She's really good at it. Yeah. Yeah Dude, I go to Italy but I'm gonna know that's not Italy in like nine days. They're the accordion music Chris. Oh I don't know. That's not Italy in like nine days. The accordion music, Chris.

Oh, my God. What are you going to do? Eat pizza? Every time I say I tell everybody I'm a pizza pasta. Do you like it? It's my favorite. I love shopping. Full of Italians, though. They're kind of cool. They're cool.

And the French French, well, yeah, everyone's cool in the French. Yeah, they're cooler. They're all hot, right? They're hot. They're kind of... Yeah, everyone's... Yeah, all the dudes, like all the dudes and the girls are hot and they're cool. Like they're... Like I told you last time, that girl came up to me and gave me her number and stuff. Oh yes. And we hung out. I think I'm going to see her again.

She still exists? I don't know. She still exists. Yeah. Emily, where she lives in Rome now. So we're going two days in Rome. Roma, the capital. Yeah. So we're doing what? Eight days in Florence, two days in Rome. You're going to go to the Vatican. Seven days. I do want to go. I love all those. I love all those like Roman.

The buildings are insane. Museums are great. I like the Catholic. I like how Catholics portray. Catholics build the fuck out of shit, dude. Yeah, I like the calf. I like how Catholics build Yeah, I like how Catholics portray Jesus. He's kind of like what uh, yeah Yeah, it's like not just like bloody like the Christians like yeah Yeah, he's got fucking daggers in his fucking heart. It's a chill. They drink the most out of all the other Christians Yeah, Catholic. I mean all that can't are Christians. I don't I hate when people online are arguing about it Okay, I don't know if I price but I think Catholics are closer to the guilt with the Jews. Oh way more Yes, they're both are just fucking guilty. They were the first one after Judaism. Yeah

First Christians broke off and then in 1517 a bunch of other people broke off from Catholic Catholics Martin Luther He's already the 95 people. He's already just like fucking punching the punching bag. The 95 Thesis in Wittenberg Chapel in Germany, 1517, he put 95 things that were wrong with the church and broke off and that's how Lutherans came and then the Calvinists came along and that was Presbyterian. I got 95 problems but Christ ain't won. Basically, yeah, that's good. That's pretty good.

So yeah, Catholics are the only true, true Christians out there. Mm-hmm. Everyone's like, oh my God, you're going on such a romantic trick. What are you bringing a girl? So yeah, Catholics are the only true true Christians out there. Everyone's like, oh my God, you're going on such a romantic trick. What are you bringing a girl? I'm like, no, I'm actually bringing John from Little Strangers. And Dations from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Bogus Journey. Yeah, he's like, I can't believe you're bringing the Cacuzas on a romantic getaway.

I might propose to John. Are they bringing their bass drum? You're in Little Stranger, just got a song with Killer Mike. Well, that's awesome. Fucking boys. Congrats, dude. You guys are just that's actually a really good cosign because he's like a real artist. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, it was supposed to be with sublime. I guess it was just Jake, Noel or Jake, the kid.

So it's killer Mike, Jake and little strangers. Jesus Christ. I thought sublime was going to put their name on it, but just Jacob, but killer Mike, like vouching for you is really huge. Yeah. Because he's like, you know, a real artist. He's like, you know, I mean, I mean, for best. And like that puts like more legit legitimacy that they're a real rap band. Yeah, it's not just like some.

They're not just like a reggae. It's not just some guy that like blew up on Instagram reels. It's like a real rapper. The boys. Congrats. There's Grammys. I'm very proud of you. You know, it's like, don don't fuck it up man. Don't fuck it up. No drop no Boys don't fuck this up drink water. Take care of yourself Polish your classic tattoo. Don't cheat

Got the fucking Tupac tattoo, I thought it was, and then now I'm seeing it everywhere. It's real. He has a lot of tattoos though, right? So it's not like his first tattoo. I thought it was, I'm like. That's pretty insane. It's insane. Yeah. But whatever, do you bubble.

I fuck with Kevin Heavie though. I really like him, even though he doesn't like me that much, I like him. He's a good dude. Yeah. Yeah, me and him are, we have this competitive nature that makes us both want to work harder.

Yeah. It's good, I respect it. I need someone to kind of push me, you know? Like. You do? Yeah. Strangers that band that kind of like, I see that they get successful and that makes me want to work hard

so we can both like be successful together, you know? Like I need that in my life. Yeah, I thought you meant something else. Yes, okay. Like I don't need, it's not like a jealousy thing. No, it's like a friendly competition, but it's not. Competition, just like, shit, my boys are doing good. but it's not. But you want competition just like shit. My boys are doing good.

They keep working hard. That makes me want to work hard. Yeah, exactly. They keep moving the whatever it is. The whole you got to reach. Yeah. So I hate when you talk to other bands and you're just like kind of telling people about your year, what's going on.

Then they just like kind of shut down like they're jealous. And so like, oh, man, it's so cool. Maybe they're jealous and sad because everything's so bad right now. Well, like let's figure out a way to like both like. Also you should be happy with where you're at because you're still doing better than 90%, not you, I'm just saying in general.

Like if you're playing 100 gigs a year, you're still doing better than 98% of the bands in the world. Exactly, be proud. If you're on the road during this economy. If you're paying your bills playing music right now, congratulations, you're successful. Amen. There we go It is because That's a weird thing about music is like non musicians

They like think you're either like world famous or you're a failure and I hate that's a terrible attitude You wouldn't say that about an accountant. It's not like you're the best account in the world or your well Because they're judging their life compared to other people's lives. But I'd much rather be a working musician than a working insurance salesman. Yeah. That's all I'm saying.

Of course. Yeah. I make what I would make if I was working in some stupid office somewhere with some fucking boss, you know? God. I was talking, I was talking to my homegirl, Madelineeline about that. She works for like HR. Mmm

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silly. I'm not paying to listen to Matt Walsh. Well, we have Cameron on the show. Cameron from geese. That was a good interview. We just did it. Why is beyond his years? He's 22. Really? Something good interview. We just did it. Why is beyond his years? He's twenty two, really something like that. He also had a very good dry wit to him that I appreciated. He was very like you. Yeah, he was very like me and him could have a really good monotone conversation sometime.

You guys would have a podcast if you guys had a podcast together. No words would be come out. Maybe like, yeah, if you think so, I guess so. Yeah, you know, I really like today. Sucked. He was cool yeah, if you think so, I guess. So yeah, you know. I really liked how he was. Man, today sucked. He was cool though, he's a smart kid. Yeah.

I don't want to call him a kid. He's a smart guy. Anything else you want to tell the people before I... Eggie rules, I don't know, that was a good show. Eggie rules, Lawrence rules. Bands are good right now. You guys can hate all you want, but maybe they're better than your stupid fucking band,

your little Grateful Dead cover band or whatever you got going on. Fish cover band or fucking... I'm on. Fish cover band or fucking. I'm gonna come to true today. I'm feeling good. No more Grateful Dead cover bands guys. Yeah, come on. We're done with that.

We got enough. Why do we have so many fucking Grateful Dead cover bands? How many versions of Scarlet Begonia do we need? Yeah. The Grateful Dead aren't even that good. No, no fish cover bands either. You can't even cover fish. There's barely any cause like they're too hard to cover. It like we're let's cover a band like have a band cover tribute

A tribute the band but they always do that every Thanksgiving the band the band the band and I think and Sometimes I think that's kind of annoying too, but it's for charity. So yeah, you can call it annoying if you want I'm not going to since it's for charity So once a year Thanksgiving Eve people go, they hear the songs they like. Everyone plays for 10 seconds. Dude, it's a five hour show. That fifth hour. I'll get you. Take load of fan air. You're like, I've taken so many loads off. I've been here for five hours.

I have no more cum left. Yeah, there's no Ubers. There's no Ubers left. You guys, it's three in the morning. You didn't even have an opener. What the fuck? All right guys, have a great day. It's not like jealousy make the worst of this day of this week. Let's get out there It's okay to get a little jealous. Okay, don't express it online you dork. Yeah Yeah, especially if you're in a Grateful Dead cover band. Yeah channel into looking on indeed for new jobs. Yeah Like a nerd. All right guys, enjoy geese. Hey Chris, play some geese.

This band's awesome. New York band. They're blowing up. They open for King Gizzard. Everyone told me I need to get them on the podcast and can I'm not like a big rock guy. I listen to their shit fucking how I was saying this fucking shit They're kind of like a modern. I don't like comparing bands other bands, but they have a little strokes in them Yeah, like garage rock. It's like it's very like honest

It's not like mani because they're not trying to be something I think it's because they started so young right they know any better They know yeah, so get out there. Enjoy this interview with Cameron. He's a really cool guy and He was smart as shit. And like honest. I like that in my songwriters. Yes. Alright, goodbye. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

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Cameron, how you doing? I'm great. I'm great. I'm fantastic. You talk like I do when people ask me how I'm doing. Yeah, I'm perfect. The first question is, just because you're plural with geese, does that mean you're better than goose? Oh, boy. Well, it's been nice being on with you guys. I hope you, uh. No, just kidding, brother. How's it going? How's the tour been?

The tour was great. We just got back from Mexico. Oh cool which was phenomenal more being what's the difference between Mexico City crowds and American crowds? Oh Well Mexico City crowds primarily speak Spanish Also, they're just everyone in Mexico was so I mean, they were like the most lightly attended headline shows we've played in like two years, I think like Guadalajara

had like 60 people maybe show up. And it was at first it was really humbling. But then we went on stage and they were the craziest crowd we've had in so long. They were just, they were just so, they seemed like grateful that we were there. They were just like, Oh my God, it was really intimate. It was actually a great, great show. I love that. See, it's just, yeah, I think it is. It's the grateful. We're talking about fatigue in America with shows. Yeah, we're just talking about this.

Like so many shows going on It feels like you have to like prove them right or they're gonna keep their shoulders Yeah in Mexico, they're thank fucking God a band that rocks. Yeah They love rockin in the Latin America to do that. Yeah, you're up to you guys tour Europe Yeah, yeah couple times in a crazy. It feels like punk rock shows Yeah, no those a couple times. Isn't it crazy? It feels like punk rock shows. Yeah, no, those, those UK kids can drink. I was wondering that. Do you guys drink?

Do you guys party, take coke, anything that any rock star shit? Oh, you know, we're, we're known to dabble in all manner of things. We're Jacks of all trades. Everything in moderation. Everything in moderation everything in moderation lately though, you know following a bus we For the the gizzard tour recently, we kind of didn't party at all Because we were so exhausted Mornings, etc. Yeah, and especially how how hard gizzard works like they're doing three shows They were doing a what they did a 1 p. one PM show at Red Rocks here, I think.

Did you do that one with them too? Yeah, yeah. That's crazy, and it was like sold out, I think. Yeah, they played at one PM on a Monday, and then they played that night. They had a matinee at Red Rocks. What did you learn about Gizzard's work ethic that inspired you?

They don't work that hard. Come on. This guy rules. I fucking like him, Cameron. inspired you or? Uh, they don't work that hard. This guy rules. I fucking like him Cameron. No, no, they're, they're, I mean, they're so nice. Like they, they don't even think of it to me as like working hard. They just do it. They're what there's, they're, they're those people that you hear about who are like happy generally and they just do what they want to do and they live their dream

just by sheer virtue of Continuing to do what they like to do no matter what so It feels almost like an inevitability that they'd reach this point or even that they're gonna keep their star will keep rising or whatever This is why we need to be socialists. Look how much happier people. So Australians are. Yeah. Australians are so fucking happy.

Like if this fails I can still go to the doctor. Yeah exactly. That's great man. So I'm very curious about you grew up in New York. The whole band grew up in New York right. Yeah that's right. So when did you guys start. When did you know this thing was becoming a big deal?

And then I wanna talk about this private school y'all went to, what is it called, Friends of New York? Brooklyn Friends School. Brooklyn Friends School. Seems intense. Seems intense, and it seems like pretty wealthy. So I got a lot of questions I gotta ask. First, how'd you meet the band?

Well, I met the band at a focus group for... No, I met them when I was a little kid. I met them at AA. It was 18 years old. Yeah, well, we went to school together as little kids. We were in this extracurricular program. We weren't... Max and I, the drummer Max and I, we're pretty good friends already, beyond music. But then, Emily was sort of not totally in our orbit until we started doing an extracurricular sort of fake, you know, give a bunch of little kids instruments and watch them play, you know, satisfaction type thing.

And so we were all in that and we got a real kick out of it and we just kept playing together. And we eventually stopped going to the extracurricular thing and just started going to Max's basement. And that's sort of how we just started hanging out on weekends and playing together. Was it, you know, your dad's a musician too,

he's a composer? Yeah, yeah. Was there like a lot of pressure when you were a kid to kind of make him proud or like kind of like, or was it like kind of like the anti that like, fuck that, I'm gonna do my own thing, be a rock band. You know, it's hard to win when kids go into the same occupation as their parents.

And I was always thinking about what kind of mind fuck that is. I think it was a healthy combination. I mean my dad my dad runs a sync library for like commercials and trailers and Occasionally soundtracks and stuff like that. So he oversees a lot of composers who work from home and contribute to this thing That's his business. Yeah, it had a lot of Composers who work from home and contribute to this thing. That's his business. Yeah, it had a lot of Leftover recording equipment that he would sort of foist upon me in an effort to get me to stop, you know

Playing overwatch or something like that Something He and it eventually worked, you know, I started Making these terrible terrible songs and just showing them to him. And he would be brutal about it. He would be like, this is crap. You know, like this, there's no story it tells. You know, the EQ is terrible, you know. Wow.

It would be honest with you like that? That's awesome though, I think. Did you like that or did it piss you off? Well, it was disappointing to know that wasn't great immediately but you know it did end up helping me and then of course my mom everything she's ever heard from me has reduced her to tears and she's just like so beautiful. Of course you gotta have that too. So I get a healthy dose of just blind encouragement as well. No participation trophies from your dad

is what you're saying. Yeah, you don't get a participation trophy. No, I think actually now he's softened a lot because he trusts that I know what I'm doing to some extent and he's willing to give me the benefit of the doubt more often. Yeah. But it was, you know, I think he taught me,

he did influence a lot of how I wrote originally because every time I'd show him something, he'd be like, what's the point? You know, there's not, that's why there's a lot of big endings in a lot of the songs. You know, like a big explosive ending because he would encourage that.

And I think if two parents are kissing your ass, you become a kind of a little bitch. Yeah, you need that, the devil. You need one and one. The devil and angel on the shoulders thing. Because if you don't have two people kissing your ass and they both just treat you like shit, then you kind of, then you have nothing too.

So I think it's a good balance that your mom loved and coddled you and your dad said, listen, this song fucking sucks right now. We need more energy. Yeah. No, you either become a little bitch or son of Sam or you become... Or you become Cameron. That's what I... I like it.

I like it, Cameron. Thank God you're not a serial killer. Thank God you're not a serial killer yet. I don't know. He might be good at it though. We don't know. He never tried it. So I saw these notes of like you guys almost didn't want to do the band until you got signed.

Like tell me about like you almost quitting or college. Like, what was that story about? Well, we sucked and all of us wanted to go to college. All of us had plans to go to college. In senior year, we recorded our first album in our basement, kind of just for fun to see if we could like finish a real project that we liked. And we did it and we started posting it online and pretty soon we got hooked up with this guy over Instagram who was just like, I'm gonna send you to this lawyer who and the lawyer then sent our music to these indie labels and we suddenly

started getting a lot of offers which was absolutely right as COVID was rolling in, you know, we were getting offers from like Sub Pop and well, or some other places as well and we were just over the moon. We were like, fuck school, you know, we're going to be we're going we were just over the moon. We were like fuck school, you know We're gonna be we're gonna take this to the moon We just freaked out I mean cuz we had no experience with the music industry whatsoever We thought it was like this untouchable. We just had no idea how to get our foot in the door, you know, we were kids Yeah, you're 18. Our highest aspiration for the album was like,

let's, let's sell it to some like, local label who will like press 200 copies, then we'll get like 5,000 bucks maybe and we could split it. And that would be awesome. Right. But then it worked out differently. Yeah, you got that money, baby. That's what I'd like. Oh yeah. Let's go, Cameron. That's what I like, baby. It had to be a little surreal though, right? To be only 18 and be getting offers from like the label that blew up Nirvana and stuff like that.

Yeah. Especially when your dad's saying your songs suck. You're like, well, who's right now? You're like, yeah, fuck you, dad. I got a record deal. It didn't say they sucked. He liked some of them. We're kidding.

We're kidding. They were giving you a hard time. Andy's got his own dad issues. I got my own dad issues. He's a record? He didn't say they sucked. He liked some of them. We're kidding. We're giving you a hard time. Andy's got his own dad issues. I got my own dad issues. He's just projecting. I'm just projecting, bud. My dad always, whenever I made money, I was like, it wasn't enough money.

And I just had to keep on making more money. He's from LA. They're different. Yeah, cause I grew up, I'm in a band too. I've been in a band for 15 years and our starts are completely different. You guys got a record deal early and I got my first record deal at 35. But you got there. But I got there. So yeah. So what's your take on

touring and stuff? Do you guys like it? Because I want to talk about you have a solo record coming out too, right? Let's talk about that too. But yeah, what's your take? Do you like, do you like the grind of being on the road? You just want to make music? Like what's, like, do you like the grind of being on the road? You just want to make music? Like what's, what is like the, the brainchild of how you want to approach geese for the next 10 years? What is the brainchild of how I want to approach geese for the next 10 years? Um, I mean, I like being on the road. I think it's a interesting way to live that I was not accustomed to when we started. You know, um, there's, it's sort of at least the way we do it right now, where you're in a van and you're driving and driving and driving and there aren't many

days off, it's sort of, um, it's incredibly glamorous peaks followed by It's incredibly glamorous peaks followed by disgusting sort of shitty valleys. Harrowing valleys. Yes, it's very extreme. You're always moving, you're waking up early and you're staying up late and you're playing these shows and you know, everyone really sees it through the lens of the best part, which is the show where you get this enormous ego boost and everyone's screaming and you feel awesome. And then you immediately go back and have diarrhea in the back room. From the shitty pizza.

That's funny, man. Yeah. Then go to a Super 8 and throw up. And you don't even know why you throw up. You can't even, it could be three different things. Yeah, yeah. So I have come to, if not love it, I've come to accept it, I would say.

In all of its greatness and terribleness. It usually, every tour usually ends up provoking some big change deep inside, I would say. It always makes me, strengthens my resolve in certain ways, I would say. What this last tour strengthened in you? My immune system, definitely, but also, you know, sort of my desire to go back and really write and devote myself to writing because I missed writing so much on that tour recently. I felt like I had so many ideas and I was just, I didn't know, I was sort of constipated with them and so I was just like, I'm just going

to go back home and just kill myself with work. Yeah, how'd that work for you? Okay, actually. I'm tired, but this is one of those times where I actually followed through, I think, or am following through. Yeah, isn't it crazy? You're so exhausted and you wanna like,

we always wanna do what we can't do at the present moment. And then when you have the want to like, oh, we always want to do what we don't, we can't do at the present moment. And then when you have the chance to actually do it, we kind of get lazy and don't do it. So like, it's good that you kind of forced yourself to actually do the things you want to do so you don't feel like you're wasting time. I think that's the most important thing about this. Like when you know you only have three days to write music, you actually do the work and fucking punch it out

because you're just gonna regret it and then be back on the road and then the road's gonna feel miserable. Yeah, deadlines can be a good thing. You're definitely right. No, I mean, one of the strangest things about having this, like, my original idea was I was gonna go to college and then like maybe in like six, seven, eight years,

like maybe I'd get a record deal eventually. And then it sort of fell into our laps out of sheer luck really quickly. And I sort of anticipated that the rest of my life would be this euphoric sort of high, where I would get to do what I want all the time. But the weird thing is, even the things that you love involve some sort of discipline and difficulty. You have to actually motivate yourself. You have to start, and that's hard. And that's sort of the cruel reality of living. Is that everything's hard.

Getting up. Yeah. Yeah. Are you, are you in love? You have a girlfriend, boyfriend? What would you have a side thing? I have a girlfriend and I am indeed in love. Yes. Oh, so how hard is it to kind of balance that and write songs when you only have four days off?

We're pretty independent people. I mean, my girlfriend, that's, that's sort of why it works out. You know, we love each other, but we also. We're when we're together, we're really together. And when we're apart, we're really apart. It's sort of the thing that's important. Is she in the arts too? Or is she like an artist too of some kind or also a musician?

Or so she works on a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Oh cool So how do you have time to put out a fucking solo record? Crazy. I fucking didn't Thought I was gonna go in and take two months and do this vanity project and I ended up taking a whole fucking calendar year Now it's gonna come out I've been told that it will most likely be a massive financial loss for every party involved Must be a good record then Yeah, I hope so. It's at least

It's at least coming out. It's at least, you know, it reached 44 minutes in length. Technically an album. So, you know, I'm happy with how things are turning out now. How do you pick between a song that goes on your solo record versus a song that goes to Geese? Usually, it used to not be so obvious, but now it's pretty evident. I mean, like, I don't know exactly how to describe the difference,

but usually with Geese, it's like, you know, it's rock and roll. It's sort of stupid at heart. And it's got that sort of thrust that it demands that sort of like horsepower that a band provides. Right. And then with the solo stuff, I think it's more, it's slightly, I don't know, a band would sort of kill it, I think, with a lot of the solo stuff. The only reason I did a solo album, I was really concerned with the solo album not being

diet geese because solo albums are usually fucking terrible versions of an existing. Yeah, that's true. Sting. Yeah, fuck off. Sting. Fuck off, an existing. Yeah, that's true ding. Yeah fuck off Yeah Make a dime. Yeah, yeah Englishmen in New York bullshit. He loves this podcast be a New Yorker from New York like my boy Cameron Now I hear that man, so so your approach so how'd you not make it feel like die a geese Well, I didn't put drums on it really So how'd you not make it feel like Die a Geese? Well, I didn't put drums on it really. Oh, okay.

I just played everything. I mean, a lot of the songs are very slow and sort of lyrically focused. They just tap into this world that I really got into the past two years of just like these singer songwriters that I had always thought were kind of corny and they suddenly just started killing me. Their music like, I was just listening to a bunch of like Leonard Cohen and stuff like that.

Yeah. I just felt really, I just felt like unstoppable. The only way I can make a good Geese record I feel is if I just feel like I have to make it, you know, everything else has to stop so I can do this. And I sort of have that feeling about a solo record. So, you know, despite how logistically annoying it was for me to do it, I kind of had to. And you're proud of it. I am. Yeah.

So what do you clap to that, let's fucking go. So be able to put out bullshit to put out bullshit. Yeah. I'm glad you're proud of that. I really, that's the thing, I really did not want, I just feel like I fucking despise solo albums and so I was really, it was hard to make one that I didn't hate.

Right. And how do you, yeah, and how do you keep that mentality or something and then you're like contradicting yourself, you're making a solo record, you know? Shit. That's kind of a thing. Yeah, that's very fascinating. And like, so what are the different themes

versus how you're approaching the lyrics for your solo record versus the lyrics you write for Geese? Well, um, I, I, there's a renewed focus on lyrics, I think for this solo record. I mean, um, I, I wrote lyrics before music, which I had never really done before because, um, just of the joy of, of writing lyrics, I think, work. And they just have a different rhythm, I guess. I don't know. They're sort of vomiting in a way that Geese doesn't... like with with geese it's like the lyrics I feel should be like really solid and there and and represent melodies and hooks and be sort of you

know repetitive that should be like rock and roll type lyrics and then with this I felt sort of more liberated there's just more space for me to start going on and on and on and on which was cool Do you feel like the lyrics on your solo album could stand alone without the music more than your lyrics from Geese? Yeah, probably. Like you could just read them? Yeah, if you're a masochist, yeah.

Well, I am. Yeah, we are, trust me, we live for that shit. No, it's very fascinating how you approach, because then it feels like two different things. If you approach it the same way like you approach your real band, or not your real band, because this is real too, but your other band, then you're kind of departmentalizing your brain into two different projects. Instead of like, oh, like then it becomes Diet Geese.

If it's just like kind of like the leftover fucking, the leftover shit from Geese, you know? Like I like this, I like this mindset because that's going to help you departmentalize moving forward when you want to keep on doing new projects. Like who knows? You want to be a director, be a fucking director. You want to make a film, make a fucking film.

I mean like the world is... The oyster. The world is your goddamn oyster, Cameron. Don't let anyone tell you you only can play fucking Geese. You can do whatever you want. Yeah, you got great hair got great hair We're just here hyping up Cameron I had a question so when when Emily became non-binary, what was that conversation like? Well she just sort of went to... I just walked in one day and Emily was like,

I don't think I'm a man. And I was just like, I fucking knew something was up. I knew it. Ever since I was... we were kids, you know, because these things sort of manifest in different ways. They're subtle. What was it like when you were a kid? I didn't say I knew it to her face. Right, right. Of course. You weren't a dick. You didn't make it about me so much, but you know in my head I was like I knew something was... What'd you see when you're a kid that you're starting to realize? M has always been a really, just a strongly individualistic, you know, just unique from other people. And in the way that I would sort of get swept into these sort of boy bonding, you know,

faux masculine sort of activities, I think M would always sort of float away from that stuff or not really Connect to it or shy away from it or just want to establish herself outside of those things interesting And that's that's maybe not a totally Holistic way of describing it. It was a lot of you know What what goes into someone's? identity that is shown on the outside. It's a very, uh, you know, uh, intricate sort of question and process and whatever.

Uh, but basically it was pretty seamless because M didn't really change. It was only that she got more confident in herself. That was the only change that happened. Like she got more talkative. She got more sure, you know, that that was it. Everything else was already there. You know. Right. That's awesome.

Yeah. What have you learned about her transition that made you feel like you could be a better person in your brain? What did you learn from the experience that kind of helped you grow? Hmm. Well, I didn't see much room for improvement, so I was just sort of a... Just a great fucking person. Hell yeah, dude. Cameron, I fucking like you, dude.

It's kind of fun to have a songwriter here with some balls, you know? Yeah, you finally have a songwriter with some balls in this motherfucker. That's why they're all just like doing PR, MPR answers. Well, look, look, look, it's a good question. I mean, I've seen, I mean it's a lot about, I feel lucky to be able to see such a, you know, subtle and even, you know, topical sort of thing happening before my eyes with someone who I know and love, you know, it's very much sort of opens your eyes to the process in a way that reading, you know, an article on the internet doesn't. Yeah. being an article on the internet doesn't. And what you sort of realize about it,

I feel like it gets transitioning is sort of portrayed as this thing where it's this change. People decide to change themselves completely from one thing to another And it's not you know with them. It's not like that. It's more of a Becoming in any way that a child becomes an adult. Hmm, you know They're old Sort of ways like a bloom but sure and and establish themselves into a full person That's what's happening with Em,

only who she is is non-binary or a sort of feminine spirit. And so as she's become closer to that, and as she's not, because when you're a kid, you can sometimes really wash those parts of yourself that don't fit in with other people, even if they're unique or good, really. sometimes really wash those parts of yourself that don't fit in with other people, even if they're unique or good, really. And that's what she is choosing not to do by transitioning.

She's choosing not to quash that inner sort of desire and that personality that makes her who she is. It's just becoming. It's not really a change. A transition seems almost like a misleading term. Right, that's why boomers need to get over this bullshit. The boomers have this fucking idea, like, who cares? Let someone blossom into whoever they want to fucking blossom into. Very healthy, actually. It's healthy.

You explained it exactly how it should be explained it's hard I don't understand why boomers don't understand there's people younger than that are still figuring it out to you to be yeah yeah there's a lot of noise like this is the we're in just the environment where everyone is so desperate for divisive things, that they can use their advantage, that this is just getting beaten to death, this topic, which is just... And you hear, so strange, there's a lot of people who don't know a trans person, but when I'm sitting next to Em in the car, we're driving like some place in Omaha and somebody comes over the radio and it's just like trans these trannies are fucking rapists you know they're just

like the radio it just it just sort of i've never really you know being such a you know default privileged sort of person of just straight and white and fucking etc. You know relatively wealthy Yeah, you know, I've never really really seen all that stuff for Exactly how insane it is until that I would just like wow, this is pure Somewhere along the way I got tricked into thinking, you know that there was any merit to any of this at any point. Yeah, exactly. It really is a tool that people use.

Exactly. Get what they want. It's really sinister. A lot of times it's a distraction so they can do something else even, you know, even more sinister, you know, like just this... It's just static noise. Yeah, it's static noise. Yeah. What other things are static noise in your brain, Cameron? You're smart, dude. Yeah, you're smart There's not a lot going on up here guys

Yeah, yeah, you're half a man with just getting on the road and then having to talk with us fucking idiots You get about a fifth of me today. Yeah, pretty good. You know, I got it. I got a couple more questions for you and I have to ask this because I am in the jam scene and if I don't ask this, my fans will call me a pussy. Is there any beef between you and goose? What's the deal? Is it just fan made up or are you just sick of people asking you about it?

People asking about it. No beef, no beef. I think it's funny. I think it's funny. I think it's funny too. Everyone asks, I kind of wish we weren't associated by that, but it is what it is. I hope they're okay with it. I bear no ill will. Let it be known. At least you're both good bands. Yeah, and you guys are so different. People are just so annoying. This is one thing about

the jam scene that's very fucking annoying. They just like kind of pick on people who aren't their favorite fucking band. Yeah, exactly. You know? It's armchair quarterbacks. It's not really like that with Indie scene. It's not really like that on the rock scene. Just in the fucking jam scene,

couple of these nerds start fucking chirping about some bullshit and like, let's get over it. Hippies are only nice on paper. Hippies are only, because why? Because hippies are nice people pretending to be mean. Yes. And because why? Because hippies are nice people pretending to be mean. Yes. Rockers are mean people, or nice people pretending. No, wait.

They're mean people pretending to be nice, and rockers are nice people pretending to be mean. That's the adage. So which one are you, Cameron? I think I'm a mean person, full, mean person, uh, full stop. I mean, you're probably nice. Did you like growing up in New York? Where'd you grow up? Like upper East, lower East? Like, where'd you live?

I grew up in Park Slope. So I'm isolated from any seediness or culture in New York. There's a lot of brownstones and strollers and places to buy cream cheese here. Are your friends jealous to you that you're in a rock band? Like your artist friends? Or you guys have a good relationship? I mean, if they are, everyone's hiding it pretty well. I think it's,

um, no, most of my friends are very supportive, I would say of, um, what's going on. I mean, they've known, I've been doing this through high school. And so everyone was like, well, he's probably going to keep doing that. He has no choice. And they're all still young enough that they have their whole life in front of them, and they still think they might make it too, you know? True. But I don't know. That's the difference between New York and LA. New York people respect the hustle.

LA people get jealous of the hustle. Very jealous. I've noticed that with your friends. A lot of my LA friends are just shit-talking past me. But your friends are also actors, and they're just naturally more jealous than musicians, I think. That's true. Yeah. What's your take on that? On what? LA hustlers?

No, actors versus musicians. The mind state. What, like a fight? I think we could take them. Let's go. Hell yeah, dude. I agree. So I like it. Band kids over theater kids. All right. Let's get this man back. Go home, get his things going. Cameron, thanks for being on the show, bro. You're a really good dude.

And I'm just, I really love your band and you have a fucking killer voice and I love that you're doing the solo project. Fuck it. Do whatever the hell you want. I listened for like an hour. You want to go on a 10 year hiatus and go to fucking Bermuda? Fucking do it, buddy. You deserve whatever you want to do.

Yeah. Fuck it. Don't let these haters get you down. I just just quoted I don't think they have a lot of haters it doesn't seem like there's no it seems like they have a lot of do you have haters yeah yeah no good what are they shit on you about um they shit on us about you know the music primarily and the you know vibe there, the music primarily, um, and the, uh, you know, vibe, there's some, there's interesting people who are not takers. I understand, you know, it's, it's, it's not always likable. Some of these songs, you know,

we'll tell those guys to get out of their mother's basement, stop beating off and socks. Okay. And stop. Let artists be artists and let you do the one cool thing is they have a very wide age range in their fan base too. Yeah. Pretty interesting. I mean, this guy's voice is fucking crazy.

You got a crazy as voice. You're a really good vocalist. Yeah. And you're a good songwriter, bro. The whole thing. I'm stoked about your band. I'm a fan. Yeah.

All right. My last question and I'll let you go is when it's all said and done Oh, yeah, by the way before that listen to Cameron's solo record. I know we talked about a geese, but what's it called? What's it called? Heavymetal let's fucking go Listen to heavy metal no drums. No drums all just whatever is in his thoughts It's it's like verbal vomit this record and then good but good good verbal vomit Some people have verbal vomit and they become racist This isn't Cameron. This is this is a different type of verbal vomit

Cameron so when it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? Probably my fucking Big ass shoulders and my you know enormous stature and my... Hell yeah. I thought you were going to say... Like good scent. Joe Rogan podcast. My aroma.

Yo, chill Rogan, chill. Well, thank you, Joe. It's been a great day on your podcast. Hey, buddy. Have a great day. Keep rocking and we're rooting for you. And through all this of working and stuff, make sure you drink water and get some sleep. Yeah. Thanks guys. Peace. Have a good one man. Later, brother.

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