Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 294: The Heavy Heavy

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

Music, blue comedy, and hotel beds: The boys discuss the trials and tribulations of being on the road together again, this time in Hobart, Indiana with none other than Umphrey's McGee's own, Brendan Bayliss! He and Andy (and Nick too) are on the road together and just finished a 3-show run of their "No Refunds" Tour. Listen in to hear about how it all went down. And on the Interview Hour we welcome 60's era vintage-tinted brit rockers, The Heavy Heavy! Andy picks their brains the way these long-haired, peace loving rockers pick their guitars. Don't miss this episode, ESPECIALLY if you should find yourself awash with anxiety, adrift in a sea of reverb emanating from a Fender Deluxe Amp over the outcome of whatever this random Tuesday may bring ya...  We're psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our good friends that help us unwind and sleep easy while on the road and at home: dialedingummies.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Mara Davis

We're here and we're live. Andy Frask is world famous podcast in a town I didn't know fucking existed. Hobart Hobart. I think it's Hobart. We're in Hobart, Indiana on the Bayless Frask. It's for Gerlach. Nick Gerlach, my cohost of the podcast is with us. How you doing, Nick?

Pretty good. I grew up about an hour and a half from here and I've never been here before. So good routing. Thanks a lot John. I walked into, we walked into, I just walked off the van and just smelt racist. I don't know. I don't know if it's that bad. We're close to Chicago here. I saw a guy looking me up and down. He knew I was Jewish. He did? No I'm lying.

Gee how could he tell? Don't be stupid. Ah this tour has been a fucking blast. Last time was fun. Indiana, dude. You even brought some fans. Thanks. Hey, you're the person too. Yeah, I was asking why I didn't sign the poster and I was like, Andy wouldn't let me.

He said, like, he said it would bring the value down. There was one site. There was like 70 bucks sign and then 65 if Nick signs it too. Thanks for coming on tour with us buddy. Whitestown baby. Oh man. Why? That was a fucking blast. They used to not be a Sydney and now it is.

It's full of rich tech racists. Oh really? No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. Well, not racist But we went to some lawyers house last night. I bet you did party down Zinesville Zinesville or Zoysville as I like to call it the Eagles. That was fun. Bobby showed up with a Bobby get over here Bobby our sound man's in the building

podcast in the podcast sound guys don't like it podcast. Say hi to the people Bobby. Come on Bobby. Bobby say hi to the people. His name is Bob. I call him Bobby. Well there's already a Bobby. We have a thing.

Okay. Bobby have a thing. Okay. Well I'm calling him Bob. I hung out with Andy till five in the morning. No I hung out with you till five in the morning Bob. My voice is ha ha ha. Yeah he's well you know you're still you're not partying as hard as you do in the UN tour

even though you are partying. God I am so fucking I'm happy., you actually like every single person in the van Insane. It's like your mood is so much different when you it's like you got laid every morning. Oh I'm just loving this tour cuz there's no pressure. You just have fun. Mm-hmm There's no pressure for you to play well or play piano. Well, you know what? Yeah. Yeah Fucking asshole play well or play piano well you know what I mean yeah yeah fucking asshole because it's election week we put British people on we put British we didn't want we're making this a little light we know we don't we already know

who wins we're not gonna tell you yeah we we're time travel like Andy's Jewish so they already told us yeah they said I've been getting a lot of people say what you're going to control the weather. Do you control the election? I'm like, fuck off. He's fucking. They don't control the weather. I like getting so much anti-semitic shit in my DM.

I never get the thing where like this side controls the weather. It's like, why don't you vote for the people that can control the weather? Yeah. You're voting for the idiots who can't even control the weather. You're just going to get mad at the other side. Vote for the people that can control the weather. Yeah. You're voting for the idiots who can't even control the weather. You're just going to get mad at the other side. Vote for the people that can control the weather. Obviously. Yeah. Well, you're mad. I don't know. I don't get it. That's why I'll be running for president. Andy Frasco. You're born here. Yeah. Okay. I don't think L.A. counted as being born in America. Shout out to the Dodgers. They won the World Series. That was really cool. So nice to see something go LA's way for once. I'm just glad the Yankees didn't win those white trash fans. Did you see the people grabbing the ball? What trashy fans? Who was it? Mookie Betts?

Did you see Rob Grankowski's roommate from college? Really? Yes. I met him. I met Rob Grankowski. He was so happy. The guy was so happy trying to take the ball away from him. He was such a coxswain. Yeah, he watched too much. I don't know too much Barstool Sports.

He's trying to get a Barstool Sports clip too bad on Twitter. Yeah, and he got it. Well one guy was kind of funny. The guy ripping the ball out of the hand. The other guy was like hitting him. Yeah, you're not supposed to hit the players. That's technically interference. Yeah. Who do you think is going to win the election? Andy? Who'd you vote for? We're not. I thought I thought you said we're not fucking about any doesn't vote. I don't vote. My mom keeps on because they assume you have a felony when you walk up. But no, just look like one. one smell like one dream like one Felon dreams

Indiana yeah rules here everybody so normal and cool and calm everyone's kind of like you Yes, cuz I'm from here. So I said they drink a lot in this town. Yeah, there's not much else Well, the weeds not legal and everybody's pretty sad. Yeah, and everyone has like five fucking kids Yeah, Indiana is cool for like a day or two. But then if you live here you get real sad after a while Yeah, I had a really there's darkness and clouds and you know, I mean I hang out with you every day I see those darkness Economy, well the economy's doing better. I guess but you know, it's just there's a lot of laws here that people don't like stuff like that Taylor Swift was in town. Oh yeah. Our hotel was filled with Swifties. Yeah. Annie made Bayless sing a Taylor Swift song. I'm surprised they

let you to be in a building with that many 15 year old girls in it. Some of my jokes didn't land on this Bayless. We try to do a, we're going to get Bayless up here after he eats, but I did a couple of jokes. They did not land. We tried to do the pedophile medley where we went from Pete. This isn't liberal Colorado. They don't think pedophilia is funny. They actually think it's a bad thing. I'm not laughing about the pedophilia. It's so funny how different people from Illinois are different from Indiana.

Like we were played in Peoria. We played our Kelly. They're like, yes, give it to me. We're like, we're going to play our Kelly. And it was just fucking crickets. Might've been a timing thing because there are pretty much the same people. I mean, Peoria and also R Kelly's from Chicago.

He is from Chicago. So they support him still. And Michael Jackson from Indiana. So you should have done a Michael Jackson joke. No, we tried that. All the pedophile jokes. So what are you saying? People only like the pedophile from their home state.

It's like, oh, it's like football players. I guess guess like if you're a Browns fan, you have to pretend to Sean Watson school still I Don't know if that's how it works That's how the law should work. Everyone. I mean everyone in LA still loves. Oh, Jay. I still love oh, Jay Oh, Jay. Oh, Jay. Well, that wasn't pedophilia. He just killed his wife. That's the American dream We should be Oh, well that wasn't pedophilia. He just killed his wife. That's the American dream And I was like this is what you get paid for Speaking of that volume calm. Thanks for paying us This pedophilia bit is by brought to you by Killing your wife is the American dream. He's in the hall fame. He killed his wife

He then he went to jail for something else. He went to jail for stealing his merch his own shit back. I'm filming it Yeah, no, you're no you're getting get in there Brandon best Brendan Well, you have a fun volume calm calm where men could kill their wives and It's called Foley. Are you having fun? Volume.com. Volume.com. Where men could kill their wives and entertain people. No, no, no, no, no, no. We don't kill our wives on volume. That's a crime.

That sounds like a Debbie Gibson song. Foley in my dreams. Didn't you do a pedophile medley with Umphreys? I'm going to go finish my dinner. I'll be back. Come back. Well, to be fair, to be fair. To be fair, you can hardly do a medley of popular songs anymore without at least one

pedophile being in there. Why do people like kids? I don't understand. I don't know. I was at Brendan's house for two hours and I was ready to never see a kid again for the rest of my life. They're so loud, children. I went trick or treating with the kids.

I saw that. I know Brendan should tell the story, but it was so funny. We They dressed me up as Bealejuice. Shout out to Ryan Stasek for Ryan. That was his costume. Oh really? Yeah. Bealejuice, Bealejuice, Stasek, Stasek, Stasek. People loved it. Like, Oh my God, so creative. I'm like, did you put makeup on? I'm like, no, that's just how I look. creative. I'm like, did you put makeup on? I'm like, no, that's just how I look. I'll just run my eyes by the middle of the week. It's just my black raccoon eyes on a Wednesday. Well, you don't black out on Wednesday night. Yeah. Tell the kid, uh, I have been, I've been having a little bit of fun. Yeah. You've been having a good time. It's been a pretty low stress tour for you. Oh yeah. And I

went to Boca. Numbers are good. Oh yeah. Boca. Boca was fun. What does Boca Raton mean? Red? Wait, it means in Florida. It's Jewish and Florida ease So many Jews I've never had so much matzah ball soup and corned beef sandwiches in my life Oh, that sounds amazing. Actually, I fuck with corn. Lots of ball soup is kind of my favorite soup. It's so good Yeah, you guys know how to make some food. We yeah, but then there's like a Felt a fish. That's fuck Well, you guys do like canned fish. That's the only drop. I love tin fish.

I know you were telling me that and I was like, you say, ladies and gentlemen, I have to prepare. I have something to say. It is tin fish fall. We're going to be eating. No, we're going to be eating sardines and mackerel and all that good stuff. Actually, I can't fuck with that shit. The only thing I liked was this. I don't know if I just like the marketing. Yeah

You do fall for marketing a lot. I did fall from her. You're like my girlfriend on Amazon, dude I get hit I get so they get me every time on Instagram and Instagram marketers wet dream Oh my god, I buy everything on Instagram algorithms insane. I bet. Oh, yeah, Pokemon cards and shoes T-shirts and pictures of women who are 20 years older than you I buy everything on Instagram algorithms and saying I'm oh yeah, do Pokemon cards and she sure It's a picture of the women who are 20 years older than you It's amazing. Oh Do the volume back on pitch a little bit. I am calm you guys. Yeah, I should they're like what the fuck was that pitch? Hey files a volume.com head to my calm people It is a great website where you could find all your favorite artists live

streaming their concerts. And if you're a concert content creator, this is the best place for you because we are building a subscription model. Yes, Nick and I are be giving you a subscription. The world's same podcast. We're changing the format after next. I can't believe it's almost the three hundredth episode. I know like half of them like that movie. Three hundred. believe it's almost the 300th episode. I know like that movie. Like that movie 300. I think 110 was my first episode.

Damn. You've been on 200 episodes. I had a fan look it up. Well, there's some I haven't been on, but yeah, that's when I started at least. Holy damn. Where the time fly by, dude. I don't know. You mean where does the time go? Where does the time go? I need to go to bed. I want to do a last show. I want to attribute category one week of I'll say a Cliche the way you said it and people have to guess what the frasco ism and people have to guess what the real cliche It was supposed to be a Bird in the hand is worth two in the guitar. What is

That he was trying to say a bush in the bird is three in the hand I'm really proud of myself. I did a hundred fifty two year pretty good for you by November. That's low for you Actually, I feel it is yeah Now you're going to Italy me and John John in the fucking kakusas We're like I feel like we're like beat-up soldiers like we're gonna rolling into Italy just fucking meet up and just crude You're just like war veterans you guys you're just no different. You don't realize how much I put in my body Okay, but they're in war

So I am too. Okay. All right. I'm in a war with cocaine You're a Navy SEAL, please call into the voicemail line and ask Andy certain things. It's a diverse cocaine Navy SEALs versus Andy whose life is harder They get a retirement though. That's one thing in free college. Yeah, I just get cirrhosis in the liver and they call you. Hey, good luck. You had a great, you had a great career cirrhosis and indigestion and acid reflux. But it's been a week. I went to Boca and I flew straight to Baylis's to learn on free McGee's song. I didn't realize Boca Raton.

Boca means mouth, right? In Spanish. I think you're, are you proud of me that I learned some songs Bayless? Does Boca Raton mean mouth rat? But let's get over here. Get over here. Brendan Bayless, ladies and gentlemen. Umphrey McGee.

Queen. I wouldn't say you, you learned. There's a cop at the podcast guys. Be chill, chill, chill. There's a cop here. There's a cop here. Be chill, be chill. learned as a cop at the podcast guys be chill I appreciate your effort. I tried he's got a gun. You know, what'd you say? You don't think you learned them learning and I Think your definition of learned Mine you wouldn't yeah, I see I see your wife gave me the fucking stink. I every time I really know what dude every time I'm practicing I was like I only fucked up once Susanna. That's crazy. Why are you still talking about it? I don't let it go people have make me say you don't beat yourself up. But when you fuck up again, sure

I do you're Catholic you have that shit. Mm-hmm. I'm still upset about things that happened 25 years ago. Yeah volume.com, everybody. Tell the fan base about Halloween. Oh yeah, Halloween is spectacular. Andy came to my house early to learn some songs. You were right there with me, brother. Don't fucking throw me under the bus. You were right there with me. He dressed up like Beetlejuice.

My wife dressed up like Gina Davis, and I dressed up like Alec Baldwin before pre-... Pre-shooting. Pre-shooting. Pre-shooting. He killed someone, everybody. We tried to find a little pistol to put in his pocket. Oh my God.

So it's like young and old Baldwin. Yeah, but I was with Glasses Baldwin, and at one point, Andy left to go pick up some of the kids to bring them back to our neighborhood. So I told Andy, I was like, you know what? Whoever rings the doorbell, you should answer the door and you should be giving out the candy because you don't get to do this much.

Yeah. So Andy Fresco with green hair goes out with a cigarette and he's like, come on kids, get the candy. Here's the candy, take the candy from spanker. That is bagel juice Yeah, he's in character, but I watched I wasn't really into character. I was just being I saw a family walk up and they stopped and looked at you and just kept on Kids we don't go to that house. What do we say about going to the bailiff's house? Not when that guy's there. Not when that guy's there.

Creepy Uncle Andy. But this is nice. Drunk and treating. Dude, this is the first thing. We don't get to spend five days with each other. Drunk Andy. I think we'd kill each other. Drunk Andy.

Drunk Andy. I'm like, so you want to have a cocktail? He's like, you're like, it's three 30. Yeah. And he shows up at my house and we're in the basement and my kids come home from school and they all run downstairs, say hi to him and they all give him a hug and they look at me and I'm like, what? I look at my daughter, I'm like, no hug for me.

She goes, dad, it's his time to shine. They put me in the calendar, dude. Finally, India is a time to shine. God put me in the calendar, dude. Finally, Indy, it's the time to shine. God, I love when kids like me. That's actually kind of weird. Vernon's daughter's a real firecracker. I like her. We had a good conversation right when I got there.

They got it. The loudest incursion of my watch. Who do you think is going to be the rock star out of all your kids? My daughter. Yeah, for sure. Not even close. Not even close.

Because everyone has their own personalities, but. She could have her own everyone talk show everyone just absorbs Yeah, and hopefully in about four years. Yeah, let's get that fire and she'll be I'll be managing. Let's go. Let's get that world Can I go finish my dinner yeah, just two more things, okay. Thank you This has been a great tour. You're welcome. I love you. I love you too.

This is so cool and I'm having fun. You're the best. I hope I'm making you proud and I'm hope I'm not. I did say one joke. I'm like, Hey, we should have a threesome, me, you and Nandy. I thought it was funny. I was like, Nope. No one liked that.

No one liked it. They didn't like the patio joke and they didn't like me being part of a cuck situation. Yeah. Yes. But you're going to grow from these learning experiences. Yeah. Today, in Hobart, I'm not going to say anything about pedophiles or talk about having a threesome with you. Andy's the first guy to have a threesome with a married couple and still sit in the cuck chair and just watch. All right, have a good one.

All right, go have a good one. Thank you, love you, buddy. I'll see you on stage in a couple minutes. Wow, he's our man. That's our fucking guy. That's our fucking guy. That's our fucking guy. Thank you so much. All right, I'm going to go have dinner. All right, go ahead. Thank you, love you, buddy. I'll see you on stage in a couple minutes. Wow, he's our man. That's our fucking guy. That's our show pony. Nope, nope, he's three.

There he is. Yeah. Hello. We love him. I like Brendan. I like this whole crew. The whole office crew is cool. And then Sam Sudden is tour managing this thing.

We got Bobby driving. It's a bunch of people with real lives and kids just driving our dumb asses around. Yeah, that's right. And then we have a bunch of people with real lives and kids just driving our dumb asses around. Yeah, that's right. And then we have a bunch of people with real lives and kids just driving our dumb asses around. And then we have a bunch of people with real lives and kids just driving our dumb asses around. And then we have a bunch of people with real lives and kids just driving our dumb asses around. And then we have a bunch of this thing. We got Bobby driving

It's a bunch of people with real lives and kids just driving our dumbasses around. Yeah Was hanging out Bob last night host a trivia show tomorrow. I'm gonna be tired Like I have to take my kid to school at 7 the fucking morning you piece of shit What's the worst day Bob what's the worst day of like after a tour is it the Monday and you have to like your Wife just makes you throw the kids saying good luck? Sure. Don't ask them. Bob doesn't want to talk at all. He's a monitor guy and a sound guy.

They're behind the curtain. We were bonding. He didn't want to admit it, but we were bonding. You're allowed to bond with people. We were having friends. We were being friends. Every friend doesn't have to be in the podcast. You know, I mean, I didn't have his phone number in my, in my context though.

He's like, I can't believe this. I got a new phone. I'll text you Bob. Don't you fucking gaslight me. I'm funny as shit. People love when I text them. I keep it light and I talk about sports. We got the heavy heavy on the show. People. Yep. We had some British people. What? Yep. Oh my seven, seven three something. It looks like you taught this whole, uh, your whole crew about guilt trips. Oh, they're Bayless. Yeah. He showed it up. That Catholic mom. Yeah. Is that Catholic mafia on freeze McGee? They teach you guilt and solos long, long solo long, long solo long long so somehow another drum solo going on behind it He's not you think hey guys look at me look at me look at me look at me

I need attention to he is Jack though. He is yeah Gotta give him that Yeah, he is. He's got really strong shoulders. He's kind of hot. He used to run a lot I don't know if he does that anymore, but he used to be a runner. He's got he wears. He's kind of hot. He used to run a lot. I don't know if he does that anymore, but he used to be a runner He's got he wears he's like mm-hmm little professor glasses, too. It's like it's yeah, it's kind of cute pretty hot guy actually It was cute Sam son. He's a cutie. He's a button. He's a little bun. Yeah, he's a panda bear He is I love his wife to Marlowe. Nobody's fun to sleep in bed with Yeah, he'd be a good cut unless he snores really loud like the Sam snore. Yeah, I can't handle that. I can't. I don't think I snore that much. I fucking love Ambien. You do? I was just thinking about it. Who's that? Some girl you

hooked up with in Chicago? Yeah, yeah. Ambien? Yeah, yeah. She's a, she's a disco biscuits fan. Short for Ambienetta. Ambienetta from Wisconsin. Oh, it's so great. I don't take it much.. I never have I'm scared to take sleepy medicine because I think I'll get addicted Oh, yeah, you will cuz you already you're you don't sleep. Yeah, exactly. I actually kind of slept last night It's nice. So who's gonna win the presidency either Trump or Kamala probably I'm thinking one of those two You think it's gonna be scary out there whoever Whoever wins, they will have my undying support. Yeah? I don't know, I guess. Who cares?

It's kinda scary. Kinda scary, but it's also not that scary. They say every election's the scariest and most important election ever. And they also say, I don't know. I don't think there's gonna be a civil war of whoever wins or loses. No way, we're too lazy.

Yeah, this country's too lazy. We're too broke We might outsource the Civil War to like immigrants or something Maybe have them fight it for us because that's the only fucking way we work in this country anymore Yeah, we're outsourcing our civil war Well, we have to play a show here. So that's 20 minutes. I know. Do I give the people motivation on this election week before heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, great fucking band.

They were cool as fuck. They're cool shit. And they're honest. We wanted to get a British band in here. Then none of the American bands we had on the interviews like, so please don't put us on election. That really happened. Yeah, I get it.

But also you could argue that the juxtaposition against everything else, I don't know what I read the fuck it doesn't give. I don't know. We're trying to make things light. But the British didn't give a fuck. We're not the British are like, bring it on. We don't give a fuck. We were just talking shit about you Americans anyway.

So yeah, so this is going to be a good episode. And they're going to hear what what do you United Kingdom people think of? Or British people, British people, they call British people. That's they're just British. Yeah, god. This is my last show I'm done my friend my brains fried everything. I'm trying to convince Sam to drive straight to Peoria I know I was like I'll drive I'll drive I swear and I'm just like you're already doing rolling God the Bud Light of Pennsylvania. It's actually good beer. Yeah, I forgot how good this beer is Yeah, only out of the glass right volume.com and rolling rock. I would love to be sponsored by rolling rock

Yeah, I like the color take money from basically anybody. I literally don't give a fuck at this point. I Will take money well not from everyone Yeah, fuck it everybody name a company that's bad. Name one bad company. Yeah, I'll probably take money from anyone at this point. Yeah. A new single. When I go out to Europe, try not to die. A new single from Andy Frask when you end up coming out,

so stick around for that. But I'm done. I got no shows to promote people. I'm going to Europe. I'm going to find myself. I'm going to asking you and to be coming out so stay around for that, but I'm done. I got no shows to promote people going to Europe. I'm gonna find myself. I'm going to get out there. I'm gonna do an hour by myself. Italian. He's yeah. Nick is going to take control of the podcast for the next three weeks. Just be an hour of me. I'm going I'm disappearing. I'm getting the fuck out of this music scene for a couple months. Yep. I'll say that then I'm beyond

fucking Instagram the next day. They got lay Instagram or whatever in Italy. What a fucking life. Lines to grandma. It's a Grammy. You want to get me the real. You make it a real. I'm so excited to take a break. Mm hmm. We'll see how much of a break you take. I know that's a thing. We just found out some news about the cartoon. No, no, we're not going talk about some more. No, I won't do it Fuck leave it to their own. So exciting guys. This thing is about to happen to us. I read that very exciting Yeah, we just got someone else greenlit on it. Oh cool. I haven't actually heard about this Oh really? You didn't tell me about this yet a bleeper out over greenlit. Oh shit. That's dope

Am I still gonna do one of the things? Yeah, you're in it. Oh, yeah. Yeah Fuck yeah, dude. I was born to do voiceovers It's crazy. Thank God. Hey, everything's finally happening This is my motivation by the condo I'm buying a condo I'm getting the fuck out of Denver to bye guys I'm going back to LA or Chicago. All right guys, election week. I know it's scary times. Don't be a sore loser. Whoever loses, just don't be a fucking sore loser.

Take the L and fucking move on and just try to figure out a way to be fucking happy. Unless you definitely think they rigged it. Unless you definitely, God you can't say that. I know, I'm kidding. Everyone thinks everything is rigged these days. I know. Someone asked me last night at the party, he was like, have you ever been to any P.

Diddy parties? I'm like, who the fuck do you think I am? How famous do you think I am, number one? And number two, yes. I'm in the jam scene. Yeah. We're playing Whitetown, Indiana. You think I'm that famous?

Exactly. We sold out though, at least. We sold it out. Tonight, I think we sold 300 tickets tonight to this theater, too. We're playing like this. It's pretty good. For a town that doesn't exist, that's pretty fucking good. It's true.

I told my mom, hey, I'm in Hobart. We're in a limo. We're in a limo to this theater to a pretty good for a town that doesn't exist. That's pretty fucking good. It's true. I told my mom, hey, I'm in Hobart. We're in a limiter. We're in a liminal space right now. Yeah, I can't wait. This is a cool city.

I'm really excited to play it. Nick, give them some motivation. Just go vote. Yeah, I don't care. Just don't be one of those people that doesn't vote and then complains unless you want to do that. I guess I don't really care. Just give the van keys. I don't care. Just don't be one of those people that doesn't vote and then complains unless you want to do that. I guess I don't really care. You have the van keys.

I don't have the van keys Bob. God that was awesome. OK. That's my motivation for the week too. Do you have the van keys? Your motivation. Just find your keys. And if don't take an L with Grace if you're if you're losing and if you're winning don't rub it in their face. We need to all be together.

You know. Yeah. That's what we need to all be together, you know? Yeah. That's what we need to do. Chris, play the heavy heavy. The heavy heavy boys and girls. They're fucking tight, dude. These guys have an original sound. They kind of sound like Stonesie, but they're modern. The guy produces.

He does everything. He does everything and he's... He's a control freak. Yeah, he's got his lovely... Yeah, control freak. Yeah, he's he's got his lovely. Yeah control freak girl Partner. All right guys. Enjoy it. Thanks for coming on this trip Who do I invoice you or I'm free? You're actually invoicing both of us. Okay, I'll figure it out. I'm actually Bayless. I'm actually Nick's

Agent and we'll be sending you an invoice for his services as well. $13. $13. Oh yeah. Remember the E-Race gone up a little bit in the last couple of years. Now that I work for Andy Fresco. Yeah. He's making it.

$40.48. All right. We got to work on the second set. Here we go. Goodbye. Bye. I'm not lying to sunset, babe Flying to heaven, don't look back I'm no fool, babe I'm your man

I'm no fool, babe. I'm your man. Time flies. Heavy, heavy. How you guys doing? We're doing well, thank you. Good, thank you. Where you guys at? You in America still on your never ending tour? It feels like you guys have been on tour forever, dude.

Yes, it feels like that for us as well. We're in LA right now. We're coming into the last two weeks, but we've basically been here since April. Oh man. Do you miss home or you over England? It's such a flip-flop situation because when you're there, you miss here and when you're here. Now, I don't really miss that. You can always go back. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. I'm like, what? I was curious. What started to pop first, America or the UK for you guys? The UK hasn't even popped. Yeah. Oh, fuck them. Oh, really?

Right? Yeah, fuck them. You don't need them. I know. Yeah, no, we have American management and labels, so they basically just won't come over here and we'll put you into the machine. There we go. More venues here anyway.

You're on ATO, right? Yeah. So what's your take? So how was that approach when you're... Because you guys are a fairly new band and I've heard... I mean, I've been loving your records forever. I think you have a great sound and I think you're producing is spot on with how... It just feels timeless, these tunes. How did ATL get ahold of y'all? Or how did you guys, did you start pitching to all these different labels? Or was it specifically you wanted to be on ATL?

Or how was that? They came, they, we were sent to them by a guy online. And the president of the label had been sent us twice in one week. And the first time he was like, eh. And the second second, he was like, I get sent stuff all the time. I'm just not going to listen. And then he got sent us again in the same week. And he was like, okay, maybe I should listen to them.

But we only played six gigs in the UK. And then that happened. It was really, really wild. So we're still kind of holding on for dear life. Is this going to end at any moment? Yeah. Especially in today's modern music industry. It's like, are you the cool kids or are you like...

Do they really... Yeah. Like how do labels consider, oh, we're're gonna spend more than one album on a band, you know? Yeah, I know. I know it was really wild. And, but I think ATO is, ATO has so many of my favorite artists and bands anyway,

and they're artist focused. They're about the music. And I think that's quite rare these days. Like they're more about the music than they are about the pop machine. Right. Even if you're in a rock band, it seems like everybody has to fit into the pop machine. So I think we're quite lucky that we're with them because they really care about the music

and the expression of the artist over You know other stuff Instagram or yeah Instagram rules and heroin and money Yeah, tick-tock is the new heroin actually yeah I heard how you're how you guys are just over fucking social media, which I thought was so cool Tell me about that. Tell me why it's such a poison. It's just shit, isn't it? It's so demanding on you. It's just so bloody vain and yeah, it's such a shame that's become the sort of current in mainstream life, you know, it's, is defined by that shit really.

But yeah, I can't I can't be doing with it at all. But it's, it is a useful tool ultimately. And it's you know, you have a huge window to millions of people. But the way that it's kind of set up, it means you've got to kind of sell your soul to sort of get on those train tracks and be relevant. But it's, yeah, I find the whole thing nauseating in the extreme. I think if you can find ways that feel authentic to you on social media, because I like, I like creating things. So I actually really like the whole sort of... Like I've started doing these tour diaries and they've actually been a great way to keep me sane.

But like that feels very authentic. I don't feel like I'm doing anything like, oh, I'm posing and let you know all of that bullshit. Let me get the ring light out. Yeah, let me get the ring light out for this tour diary, dude. It's tough because like we got discovered through a Spotify playlist and Instagram. So you can't hate on it too much because it is a really powerful tool. Yeah. I mean, that's how I found you guys. Go Down River, I think the song's called.

I saw it on a Spotify list. I'm like, holy, these motherfuckers are dope. I thought you were American as fuck. And then I started digging down on your stuff. I'm like, they are British as fuck. And I was like, damn, this is... No, but like, what's your take on records? Like, how do you approach records?

Like what gets you high about making such an old, timeless record? I think it's the sound, you know. I'm so obsessed with the 60s and the recording techniques. You know, the way it sounds. I love the sort of saturation on things, you know, whether that's, you know, people like Howlin' Wolf or stuff from Muscle Shoals or even the Phil Spector stuff, the way that it's like on the edge of break up to my ear sounds great, you know. Super warm and like full of character and I feel like it, for one, it captures the performance better and it's

a cool way to do it, but it just sounds more... Real? Well, it's more like it, more like like not real, more like beautiful than real. It's almost like a film version of real life. The digital is so clear and clinical, it's kind of a bit like, yeah, that's it. But then analog sort of film or photography or whatever, it has that beautiful kind of, not filter on it,

but it's that kind of way. And that for me is like the most pleasing thing. And writing into that sound is super exciting. You know, when you've got that stuff dialed in, the reverbs and the saturation, actually writing music that sort of fits that and works right is awesome. You know, I think that's what drives us. Is that the first step in your writing process? Is getting that reverb, that saturation? Or do you write songs first?

It's more recently, I've been changing, changing tack really, but I normally have it set up and then just sort of write into it. That's tight. Yeah, I try not to write. I try not to get too producey with it straight away. I like to sort of have the sound and just an acoustic guitar and vocal and try and come up with a with a song within that sound. But in the most simple terms, yeah, because you know, I've

fallen foul to sort of just building really cool grooves and then trying to find a song and that doesn't really work. Yeah. I'm but writing into the reverb is almost essential, especially for the vocal, you know, hearing that sort of feedback from the actual and the way that the phonetics are different words sound, you know, but yeah, yeah, mixed method these days, it seems to be different every time. Why don't you take that same philosophy in social media?

Fuck it, just go into the verb, baby. It's like a template. It's like a template. Yeah, like a template. Go find those housewives. They must hate CGI movies. You're not into Avatar. But no, it's a great process. I think people should do that more, but a lot of people aren't gifted producers.

Were you producing other bands before you were just doing your own project or was this just always like? I just didn't be doing my own shit really. Like I've had a few, I've dabbled with a few other things, but they haven't really been along the, the lines that I've wanted to do. So yeah, I've just done my own thing. I had, I had another band before and I think that my personal sort of production has evolved with my you know constantly writing this sort of music So they come together sort of hand-in-hand. Yeah, but nicely so but we did heavy heavy and put in Georgie's voice in there And they're at all the harmonies. It was like This is like a the apex of what I've been trying to do really so it's working out. Yeah, I was wondering about that

Because your harmonies are so Just intertwined with each other. I was wondering if you guys like hook up or like dated each other or like, it's like, how did you guys connect so quickly in two years? I mean, how do you, it feels like you guys are soulmates. We've known each other for 10 years. We met on a recording project 10 years ago, but we formed the Heavy Heavy. We formed the heavy, the heavy heavy just before lockdown. We played two acoustic gigs with like three demos and then COVID happened. And then we spent COVID like we released essentially what was the EP in 2020, just like threw it out online on Bandcamp,

blah, blah, blah, blah. And then as restrictions lifted, we were like, we should probably find a band. So this was 2021. So by the end of 2021, like October, 2021, we played like the first, I don't know, fucking pub gig or something and um and then the beginning of 2022 is when we got signed but we'd known each other for years we

just hadn't we'd been working on different I mean we were yeah we were in different parts of the country yeah it's like a certain point we put Georgie's voice on my old demos for my other my old band and we're like ah this really fucking. And it was never really a kind of, oh shit, they really sound good together. It's more like Georgie can sing like that. I can sort of set it up so it's going to sound good. But I think as we've as we've as we've gone through it, we realize our voices do actually blend really, really well, which is not something we considered actually, really,

because I can kind of fuck it up enough that it makes it all glue together. We didn't realize that our voices sucked it good together and people started saying... Yeah, we got the other two guys at the time and they somehow fit into it as well, which is amazing because they're such... Sometimes you need that third-person perspective. What songs on these records, like, have you had just demoed for like 10 years and you just feel like it wasn't there and then you had Georgian and like, oh, fuck, it makes sense.

Oh, that's what it needed. Yeah, there it is. It needs a beautiful singer on top. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, sort of Go Down River, the first one that sort of pops off was definitely one of those. It sat there for ages and I didn't have a chorus and anything.

I just knew the verse was something really cool and put Georgie and stuff like oh fuck, here we go. And things like Wild Emotion on the new record that that sat for years and years. Because you're mine. Because you're mine. I've played for sort of 15 years. They're not new songs, they're just new to us. Yeah, we're sort of playing catch up because like, you know, by the time the EP was released and sort of found,

I was already working on the next thing and then we've ended up touring so much. So I'm sort of grabbing stuff that was made a little while ago and we're sort of playing catch up and I'm hoping the next stuff we'll actually have some time to write some new new stuff. But yeah, we've got an enormous backlog that we haven't actually put out yet really. What's your take on playing new songs that aren't released yet live? Do you like just like, you throw it out there, throw shit on the wall, see if it sticks? Yeah.

Well, to put it into perspective, this is our seventh tour of the US in two years. And the first six, we only had half the set that people knew. So we're very used to just throwing seven, eight songs out. We need 20 minutes. We're headlining now. Whatever. What song did you have him play 12 years? Can you solo?

Can you solo? That's hard to understand. I got a question. Are you a control freak? Yeah, we noticed you mix and master. We noticed you mix, master everything. Are you a control freak. Yeah, we noticed you mixed and mastered everything. Are you a control freak? Yeah.

I'll clap to that. I like how they admitted it immediately. I like honesty. There's a real power and advantage to being a control freak because you always get the sound you want. Yeah. You know what you want. Will always says that, like, even when we're, if we're sound checking and a sound isn't quite right on stage, he's like, it's, what do you say? It's...

Fucking shit. You say, like, if it's not right, oh, I don't know, it's not a very philosophical thing, but it's just straight to the point of, like, if it's not right, it's not right. You know what I mean? And he's kind of the only one that really knows what's right. Yeah. I don't like you when people are just like, it'll be fine. It's fine. Fine is irrelevant. We've got to be shining. And specific. Fine is the way to hell. Dude, that's the British in them. I like that. I like that in you. Um,

Yeah, like, can you give us that old traditional British meltdown? Have you had one on stage? Like Liam Gallagher, like, fuck you, you dumb pricks. There was one. Was there? There was one in Brooklyn. Oh, yeah,

some fucking sound guy in Brooklyn was out there to ruin my life So he got to me a little bit on stage I gotta hear the whole thing He was a dickhead from the first moment like from the first moment of check he was just rude as hell like He was above us kind of thing Live and I literally just be like just starting a conversation like that mid sentence He just walk up turn off and just walk off in the different direction And it's like five times and he was he was he was bragging about how he'd

Given the support band like five minutes to sound check so he could have more time to sit and have cigarettes. We hated, because the support band are our friends. I mean, even regarding that, like, if you're supporting with that, do your job. Yeah, he was shit. And then like on the stage, like the monitors, like, I don't know what he was doing, he was just changing it.

And I was like, right, I just need this and this. And then it was like such extreme changes. I was like, man, just like, I just stopped this. I was like, man, stop and start this fucking shit again. Just give me my vocal, my wedge. That's all I want. And then he puts my vocal in my wedge with nothing else and that's fine. And then all of a sudden the reverb creeps in.

I was just like, so you get less reverb and then he puts reverb up full and I can see. I can see him up there. He's fucking with you. He's fucking You know, you really fuck me off it but He's like remember Normandy That's fucked I would be so pissed dude, I That one, when that shit happens, I just, but I'm like so passive aggressive. I'll just stare at him. Yeah.

That's why I need to learn the British. Like go fuck off. Or you'll walk off. I'll walk off and be like, yeah. But you towards your own guy now. So that's a little different. Yeah. Do you have a sound guy now or is it still small crew?

That makes it a lot better. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially with the like specific reverb. Right. Yeah.

You know, we spent the first two years explaining it. Yeah, hugely. Yeah, especially with the like specific reverb. Right. Yeah. You know, spend the first two years explaining the reverb thing live to every sound engineer we met like everybody. Like whatever you do, it's reverb. A little bit more than that. Yeah, because reverb is every night. Engineers are scared of it in general, like to assess that we like it. So they're like, you ask what you want, they're like, you can't be serious. And they're like, I'm not doing that.

But you've got to do that. It's the sound. It's not us if it's not that. That's what the record is. That's exactly. Yeah. Even like, even if you're not making that much money right now, it's like that relief of not having to yell at every fucking sound guy every day.

Just pay the sound, man. Easy, you know, happy, wife, happy life. And they're in it with you on tour, so like they're more just... They get it. And it's a vibe, you know? They feel like they're part of it more, so they try harder. All right, give me the... Yeah. Give me the shittiest gig of America.

What was the worst one? What's your least favorite city in America? What was the worst food? Just give me everything. What do you gig of America? What was the worst one? What was the least favorite city in America? What was the least? What was the worst food? Just give me everything. What do you hate about America? Before we talk about what we love about America?

Peoria. Oh, Peoria. That comes up a lot. Kenny's West Side? Peoria. Some person in the bar said that it's Peoria. It rhymes with gonorrhea. Is that what he said?

Yeah. No, it's Peoria it rhymes with gonorrhea. Is that exactly what you said? They're fucking with you. We had a shit gig at a Zanzibar in Louisville, Kentucky. I'm fine there. The sound guy was sort of legendarily an asshole. He was so consistently a dick, it was great. I actually really enjoyed it. Kind of every question you asked him his answer was I don't care

I don't care Yes, right That's famous. There was like ten people there and I think a guy did a fake proposal on stage. It was not very weird Yeah, it's strange like a diner. That was like the second gig ever in the States. Yeah, it's strange. Like a diner in that place. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's loads of Pimaw machines and stuff. Yeah. It was a cool spot, but yeah, the guy was famously a dick, but it was cool. I enjoyed

it. I liked him. I didn't. He could have watched it, but he was a stranger. I liked his attitude. No bullshit, right? I like people who are no bullshit. Like, if you're pissed at me, just fucking be pissed at me. Yeah, let's get this over with. Like, let's just fucking like, let's get it through and let's fucking go, right?

Rip the band-aid off. Rip the fucking band-aid off. Speaking of that, we're going back to social media. I'm just kidding. Andy's really good at social media. No, that's, yeah, it's insane. It's like, we toured through Europe and like it We're on that thing where we were really big in Europe and stuff because we do about

250 shows a year so so it's like we're in Europe a lot and then You could tell some of these fucking sound guys. I get pissed at the German sound guys Yeah, they you got to be there ten minutes earlier. They see my Afro, my little Jewish Afro, they're like, alright, here we go. These people again! Here we go. I thought we wiped them out. Just kidding.

Those Germans though, you gotta be on time. They're very fastidious people. That's why they make good cars. The sound checks in Europe are so different. They're like sound checks, at 412 we do sound check at 445, 40, 30 seconds we have dinner and America's like, yeah, let me have a cigarette. We'll fucking do it. You know,

Exactly. They won't make you eat mayonnaise on your sandwich. What was, how was Newport Folk Festival? Did you have fun? Yeah, that was amazing. Yeah, that was magical. Yeah, magical vibes. I feel that's your vibe, man.

Really amazing. What's that? There's something about American festivals though. What do you feel about them? They're not as raucous as British festivals or European. I've been sent quite a lot of memes over the summer of like, like, asking an American, what's the worst thing that's ever happened? That you've ever seen at a festival and this girl said someone spat on the floor and then they asked a British person and the British they they snorted ketamine

off a shitty toilet seat. Oh, well, I could show you in festivals where that's happening, actually. I know a couple of those. Disgusting. You've got to get in the gym. I don't know. I feel like there are more rules here. Like there are more, you can't smoke in like a lot of areas and you can't, I don't know. British ones are getting like that. I think that a lot of the British ones are predominantly camping festivals and we've

done a lot over here which aren't camping. That totally changed the vibe. I think the size and the kind of like so Bonnaroo versus Glastonbury Bonnaroo is like much much smaller and it's much nicer and it's all kind of it's on a great level but like for instance Glastonbury is like going to a different universe. I'm sure if you guys have been you know know, like, uh, the difference is huge. Uh, but you know, also the age restriction for drinking completely changes. We're used to like 15 year olds getting like paralysed. Yeah. That's a, that's yeah. Just throwing up from beer. Yeah.

That's like hard alcohol in Europe. Yeah. It's like, yeah, we're just like belligerently alcoholics in America that you have to be 21 to drink or everyone will have an alcohol problem before 15. Yeah, they're all doing drugs instead. But like, I think differently. If you give kids an option to drink at 15, you're not gonna take it to the limit because as your brain's growing up, right?

You guys never got into drugs. I agree. You ever get into Coke or anything or any of that stuff? No, I mean, there's a massive scene in London, but like, all my friends who were massively into Coke are now, but it was recreational. Right. Like, it was just, almost using it as a tool to get through their life. They were using it at the weekends to have a piss up and that's it and then they got on with their week You know, I don't know. I do feel like there's a difference between like the way

we use drugs recreationally and kind of I Seem there seem to be a lot of people that have been in AA over here where I'm like why? You seem like I don't know we have the same outlook on life There's going to be a lot of people that have been in AA over here where I'm like, why? You seem like, I don't know, we have the same outlook on life. I just understand that, like I don't understand how it goes from like just having a recreational time to being like in quite a desperate situation where you have to force yourself to stop, otherwise you're going to plummet.

I don't know. It's weird. Maybe it's guilt. I'm proud to be a bit of a drinker you're gonna plumb it. I don't know, it's weird. Maybe it's guilt. I'm proud to be a bitch drinker. I'm proud of it. Let's go. I'm a bitch drinker. You guys should hang out. Yeah, I think you and I would hang out very well, brother.

You both got cool hair. Yeah, I can handle my drinking. Sometimes, you know, I'll still dabble in the cocaine and the nitrous and all that shit, but like you know in America Yeah, I don't know I feel like a lot of people in Europe go to Europe quicker because it's also free what health care Oh, yeah, it's true like yeah, so like the doctor They go yeah, they go to the doctor and fucking figure it out. We're out here like we can't we can't figure it out It's our liver fails. Yeah, had to sell my car to get finger surgery. Yeah.

So we do say that. And it's the same with like, when you're out on the street, you know, like London has a homeless problem, but it's nothing like there is in, well, really any major city in the US. And that's down to the the fact we have a good social care system with free health care and mental health with medication provided, you know? Right, yeah. So, anyway, that's going quite deep into the social constructs of our different countries, but there is a very different version of what homelessness looks like on the streets of London or whatever.

Yeah, it's like that in Denver. Have you guys played Denver much? Yeah, we've done that. Yeah, Boulder and Denver and some spots around there for sure. Yeah, you're not going to see any homeless in Aspen, but yeah. No, Aspen's a little bit different than Denver. Yes, exactly. It's more of a second.

It's my other $4 million home. Yeah, if they're homeless, that means their parents got them off the trust fund or something. Yeah, the homeless people there make like $300k a year. Yeah. So you're a studio, you both lived in kind of smaller towns in the UK? Yeah, I did. I lived in like basically the Hobbit in Lord of the Rings. That's basically where I lived. Shire.

That's actually where it was written. Yeah, like legitimately there. In the properly, you know, British rural countryside. I grew up. Yeah, I mean, I grew up in a tiny village outside of Brighton. But like Brighton was where I All my formative years were spent and then I lived in London. So will definitely Has lived in smaller towns than yes What's it like being the odd girl in the band? Oh

That's the question for you, Jordan And occurs Well, it's blessing and a curse because there's no one whose brain thinks five steps ahead, which is annoying. I like you, Georgie. Who can multitask to the same level, which is really annoying. But also I get treated like a princess. I can't complain. That's very respectful of mine, Elise. which is really annoying, but also I get treated like a princess. So I can't complain. That's very respectful of me.

What was the biggest blow you guys ever had? The biggest blow? Oh my God. We've been pretty lucky to be honest, man. We've had a very kind of plain sailing existence and our managers are, you know, elite, I think. So it's, I'm sure, yeah, biggest blow., it's um, I'm sure yeah biggest blow When you say blow do you mean like? No, like it's like you ever fight like kind of like oh Like blow out like you guys like just like fuck off and telling each other like fuck off, you know

Yeah, two weeks every two weeks. Yeah. Two weeks. Probably every two weeks. Like, clockwork, and it's definitely always my fault, whatever the situation is. Well, of course it is. But I've already been thinking about it. I've been thinking about it for five days. It gets pretty scary out here, man. It's, yeah.

No, I'll tell you what. It gets pretty scary out here. That's hilarious. Yeah. No, I tell you what. It gets pretty scary out here. That's hilarious. Yeah. Traveling around all the time, it fucks up your period if you're unlucky. And so that means that a lot of the time, I don't know where I am in my cycle. So I could be feeling like the bitch from hell. And I think maybe I'm in like my ovulation week and it's actually Will's fault.

And it turns out it's not. Will's ovulating. Then I come on my period. it turns out it's not. Will's ovulating. I'll just start hitting on it like the music. Well, this has been great to get to know you guys. I know you got to get out of there. I know you got... Where are you? LA?

Yeah, they're in LA. They're playing the tubular. I grew up in LA. That's my hometown. They're both... You and her are both from beach towns. Fuck yeah. Let's ride.

Yeah. Your beach town Is nicer than my beach town What Calabasas are Malibu? Malibu is a lot nicer than Brighton. You have you have sand and palm trees and sunshine What can we stereotype British people for a second hey, I'm pretty British Do you think people are angry? It's kind of like Oregon where there's not a lot of vitamin D. So like it's like kind of they're more angsty. Like I feel like Irish people like that too. Like what's the vibe there? Give me the 410. That's the word? You don't notice it until you go home. How I mean, Jesus Christ people are angry.

Particularly at the moment, people are so ready to bite your head off about anything. And I think it's the fact, let's stereotype for a second. So we're like, keep calm and carry on. I think that we've reached the boiling point of keeping calm and carrying on where we're just like at the top of our heads. Yeah, like we can't keep calm anymore. So we're just really aggressive, really rude. Yeah, everybody's against everybody. It's massive confidence. Everyone's a dick. It's like, it's really crazy. Like I don't want to slam it. But when you go home, you're like, wow, no one is being friendly. Like you walk into a coffee shop here and the service like, hi, how are you today? And as a Brit, you're like, oh, whoa.

You're making me really uncomfortable. Yes, disgusting. And then by the time that you get home, you're like morning to like a barista and they're like, hi. What the fuck do you want? Yeah. Yeah. What if I did do? Those are the people that raised me. Now you get it.

I get that. Yeah. I'm very calm I do? Those are the people that raised me. Now you get it. I get that. Yeah, my... I'm very calm too. Yeah, Gerlach is so calm. I'm like, God, you're just like... I was raised by passive aggressive World War II survivors. Oh, that makes sense.

What's that? You just described things. Yeah, yeah. That's the UK. Like my grandpa would like... That's the UK. My grandpa would like insult me as a kid and like and he's so passive aggressive that I wouldn't realize it until the next day.

You know what I mean? They say something and you think it's a compliment and then you're like, wait a second, he called me stupid. He was Scottish though. All right guys, well go do your thing. This has been so great getting to know you guys. I was really looking forward to this and keep kicking ass. I'm rooting for you guys.

Happiness is a great. I mean, both records have been so fantastic. I'm a fan, so just keep fucking shit up out there. Don't let these fucking sound guy either. Don't let these fucking local sound guys get you down either. OK, guys, fuck them. I appreciate the pep talk. It was so nice to chat to you guys.

Thank you for having us on. Nice to meet you, too. too. We got one last question and we'll let you go. When it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? My hair. Yes. Yes, Georgie. Fucking beautiful curls. That's great hair. I'm really jealous. Yeah. We call ourselves the hair band. Yeah. Unfortunately, our name was taken, but yeah. What do you want to be? Will wants to be remembered for his production. The golden sound. I love it. Oh yeah, dude. Well, I'll start calling you Harry Harry if you want. Is it the heavy heavy? No one's said that yet. Yeah, they'll get the heavy off of it. That's

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