Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 295: David Shaw Round 2 (The Revivalists)

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

A new warrior has entered the arena cuz we got DOLAV COHEN back to talk truth about the inequities apparent in the jam band sports fantasy league (VERY real & REAL important). Nick & Andy talk about health tests, fiber, and vegetables. Yall should eat those. Have you tried broccoli with hummus? It's EXCELLENT. And on the Interview Hour we're welcoming back show favorite and legendary podcast guest, David Shaw of the Revivalists! He's so good. Don't miss this one, y'all. We got things to tell y'all... We're psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think one can get addicted to mushrooms: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Mara Davis Dolav Cohen

Hello everybody! Welcome to Sports with Dolob! He's talking shit about the game He's got a weird fucking name In Sports with Dolob! This week we're gonna be talking some NBA! NBA season is back! It's the ultimate sports time of the year If you're a sports fan, this is it.

We got hockey back. Who gives a fuck? Oh, Utah has a team now. I give a fuck. Utah Hockey Club, let's go! And fantasy football's back. And fantasy basketball's back. We had the draft.

It's full swing. But what we really want to talk about is fucking Andy and Nick. I heard y'all last week talking that shit. Fuck you guys. You know who won the Jam Band Fantasy League last year motherfucker. I did. I drafted way better than you guys. I don't know about that actually.

My teams weren't that great. But still. Fuck you Andy. Fuck you girl. Like I won the fucking league last year. These motherfuckers talking that shit. Cupid. Fuck you both for not even remembering. Giving me respect that I deserve for winning that shit Fuck you, biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii i f**k you both for not even remembering For giving me respect that I deserve for winning that sh** in sh**

You know I won that jam ban league F**k you, b**ch Weapon Yama ain't gon do sh** Anthony Davis ain't gon do sh** All the degenerates, all the jam banners F**k all these motherfuckers You ain't shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Fuck you Nick, fuck you Frasca Fuck you Nick, fuck you Frasca E-sports with your love Fuck Ronnie, fuck LeBron, fuck you, fuck me Nalalalalalalala

We're cool, fuck you, I'm out bitch Wee-wee-wee Boom! Boom, and we're live. Andy Frasca's World Saving Podcast. A dreary day in Denver. A dreary day in Denver. And I'm talking about the weather. Yeah, why do you think it's such a dreary day in Denver? Because it's 20 degrees and we're covered in snow. No sunshine.

Nothing else going on? Winter is here. The clocks are... Nothing else? Nothing I can think of. I took a physical. You ever been like completely honest with your doctor about... Yeah, I guess.

I mean, they know the truth. I was like telling them, I found a great doctor. I was like, he's like, so what's been going on? He's like, I'll tell you honestly, doc, cause this is a new doc. So I was like, I might as well just tell them everything. They know if you don't tell them, they can look at your blood and see exactly what's going on.

Yeah, I'm like, I drink, I smoke, I do cocaine, I fucking do nitrous, I eat shitty, I have high blood pressure because I eat fucking, I love salt. And he's like, I can't sleep. He gave me some sleeping medicine. He's like, don't do AMB, and that's for fucking cowards. Really?

Yeah. He gave me some... Unesta? No, something else. He didn't say cowards, but he's like, you know, it's just not good for you. He gave me this thing, he's like, but the side effects is you get a boner for like five hours sometimes.

If you have a boner for over five hours with this sleeping pill, you got to tell me, and we got to go to the hospital. Really? But he said, it's like, I'm like, am I gonna get addicted to it? I'm like, also, am I gonna be able to drink? He's like, I'm like, I told him how many shots I take a day because I'd probably take like, I don't know, five, seven shots a night.

He's like, you should just go down to two or three. Two or three drinks a night when you're on the road. Pretty good doctor. Yeah, I'm like, he's like, the only thing I'm worried about is the blow. Don't do blow. I was like, okay. I'm worried about is the blow don't do blow. Mm-hmm. I was like, okay We'll see about that

I'm like, you know, but you gotta be honest your doctor. Yeah, can't just like pretend you're not healthy And then like you're healthy and I was like, you know, I was having sex lately I was like he's I took an STD test. It was actually pretty tight like I was a really honest conversation. This guy's like, I'm like, I was thinking about getting a colonoscopy young because of my family. It's cool. I mean, you can't get one too young.

You can definitely get one too old. Yeah, he said, yeah, you don't need to worry about it. Funny earlier. Like a couple years. I took an STD test and I was like, what'd you get a C-? No longer pass fail. Ugh. You got Denzel.

I'm on a detox right now, which is like, dude, I'm having stuff come out of me I've never seen come out of my body. Parasites and shit. Parasites. It looks like some, I was like, I know this might be too full. A copy of Reader's Digest.

I don't know, my favorite. Pokemon cards. I just get older. He's like, I asked him to like, do I need to take prebiotics or probiotics? Like, that shit doesn't work. Why don't you just take some fiber? Yeah. Why don't you just like do some healthy shit? Exactly. Eat a leaf. Yeah. I was like, oh, weird. So. OK. Vegetables are good for you. Yeah. So I try to at least eat some vegetables every day, even if I'm eating shitty other stuff.

You gotta balance it out, you know? Yeah, you said I had high blood pressure, but so I gotta go back in two months, see if I see what that is. But it's true, I was also stressed out. Just got off a fucking 152 shows. Blood pressure is- With my insane ass band.

Yeah. That was probably pretty relaxing this weekend. Oh my god, it was so relaxing. Just six people that are all just having a good time, but not too good, you know? Let's not get there. We got David Shaw on the show. Oh yeah, baby. We can't wait for it. He's so good. Good looking guy.

Fuck dude, I'm leaving for Italy in two days. I met an Italian guy at Trivia the other day. He came like- He's great. Aren't Italians great? Yeah. What's your vibe? The ones from Italy are cool, yeah. What's your vibe?

You said yeah, what's your vibe? They're a little too handsome for me. Like they're just a little too put together. But like the Jersey Shore Italians, I might be out on them. Yeah, they're all kind of like full of shit a little bit when they- Yeah, he thinks they're-

They're little bullshitters, you know, like,, oh like, they're always just like plain women and a lot of them. Are Italians lazy? Italians are, I mean yes, I mean they take three hour lunches. Yeah, everyone's lazy compared to us. We're also the most stressed out so maybe they're lazy. Yeah, well that's what I've been dealing with too is like Like fuck where I'm like back into like, you know It's working so much and and like watching everyone not work that much and judging them and I shouldn't be no

Like Denzel he doesn't work for shit. Oh, we have a Nick's dog in the building today. He's really involved But yeah, look at him. I'm excited. I might just stay. I had nothing to do until New Year's Eve. Just die there. I mean I could stay there for a couple months but that wouldn't pay in the ass. I wouldn't do that. Why not? We gotta do the awards show. What else is going on? Not much. Just getting ready.

November's pretty easy around here. Yeah. I like it snowing right now. I don't have to go out. Yeah, I know. You don't feel the pressure to go out. There is something about being snowed in where you get a little less guilty about not doing stuff.

Right. I'm like, kind of like just like turning off my phone. I think I'm going to try to turn off my phone all of Italy Frozen pizza tonight or something that's always fun when you're snowed in yeah, we're a real pizza. I guess. Oh, I love sexy pizza There's something about frozen pizza. That's kind of fun when you're snowed in. I don't know what it is Thank you but one of the clauses they could terminate me if I do anything too kooky.

Oh, like what? Did they give you a list of things? Yeah. Or is it up to their discretion in the moment? They said they could term my contract if it's like, if I don't go by the guidelines of social media. I'm like, I told the guys like, you know, I do take mushrooms and rib nitrous. I haven't.

It is legal though. Yeah. But like they want you to like not like, you know. Yeah. Promote drug use to 50. Or hard R. Okay. Well that's not. That's what I said. What do they think I am?

Like. You made it this far. I mean, I'm not in a fucking, only thing I got to worry about is like my cussing. No, I'm like. Well, what is this a Christian label? I think you're going to be fine. No, it's just in the fucking, the only thing I gotta worry about is like my cussing. No, I'm like. Well, what is this, a Christian label? I think you're gonna be fine. No, it's just, you know, they,

it's like the same thing when I couldn't, it took years to get band insurance because they Google one photo of me and it's me chugging a fucking bottle of Jameson and crowd surfing. It took years to get banned. Really? Dude, they're like, we declined you.

I'm like, why'd you decline me? Like, we found this photo and it's just like me fucking double chugging. These 200 photos? Yeah, we found 200 photos of you crowd surfing and just chugging bottles of James. You holding the Bud Light while putting gas into the Sprinter at the gas station.

Me puffing a cig at the shell. Next to the gas. Yeah, by the... I do that something by the natural gas. I'm like, ooh, I shouldn't be doing this. No, that's not a very good idea to smoke at a gas station. But all the truckers do it. We're going to do everything truckers do now? I'm a trucker.

You are. That's you. I'm an old American, old blue collar, blue collar trucker. Blue collar musician. God. November. Thanksgiving's coming up. Speaking of blue collar musicians, volume.com. Volume. It is blue collar musician. God. Ugh. November. Thanksgiving's coming up. Speaking of blue collar musicians, volume.com. Volume, it is blue collar musician.

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Yeah. I love a good 25 minute guitar solo. We were ripping it on Bayless so hard. The 25 minute guitar solos. He's a really good guitar player. Yeah, it's different when they're that good, isn't it? Yeah. You just heard a lot of shitty ones that you used to open for back in the day.

Yeah. There's a level where it becomes storytelling again, just like lyrics. It is pretty awesome how Bayless has that little thing in his pocket that he doesn't have to do every day because Jake is such a beast. It's crazy how good they both are though. It's crazy how good Brendan is. It's crazy how Brendan is sort of like Scottie Pippen. I was liking him to Scottie Pippen because if he was on like 20 other teams or 25 other teams,

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There's a lot of stuff we could do. We're going to do all kinds of stuff. And if you don't, you're not a content creator, just wanna watch great content. There's so much, I was on their website. There's some crazy stuff coming up too, they were talking about. It was on the website, there's some crazy,

great content on there now. I'm proud of them. And they told us about some of the stuff coming, that's gonna be pretty cool. I don't know, we can't talk about it. We can't talk about it, but it is cool. Yeah, I heard Trump and Kamala are gonna, They're gonna debate again.

They're gonna hug. They're going to hug. They're going to do it. We're going to do a live stream hug, say sorry about it. Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think that's going to happen either. What are you... Settavolume.com. Guys, going to Europe. You're going to miss me.

Yeah, I'm going to miss you. We had fun this weekend. We were giggling like school children. It was fun. That was the most fun I've had in a tour in a while. It was so easy. I had my own hotel room every night. It was my dream. Did you beat off? Of course. Yeah, I did too.

It was awesome. That's the whole point of having your own hotel room. Oh, yeah. That felt weird just like watching porn in Bayless' house. Yeah, that is a little weird. In the get. It's kind of weird, right? Well, there's kids there, too.

Well, no. Like, you're in bed. You're in your own guest room. It's not like, but it's Well, there's kids there, too. Well, no, you're in bed. You're in your own guest room. It's not like... But it's like... But it's any place you, like, kind of like, are staying at someone's house, it's weird to watch porn to go to bed. Of course. You don't know how loud it's going to be. Well, some people just, like, need that to go to bed, like myself.

Yeah, I get it. And... It is a downer. It is a downer. That's why why I told the doctor that I'm like, dude, I have to come a lot to go to bed. He's like, I'm gonna get you some subscription. I'm gonna get you some sleeping pills instead. Subscription? You mean prescription? A prescription. But they are kind of subscriptions too. It's the same thing. Yeah. And so I was all excited. And then as soon as we started in the... I mean, it's a sleepy day in the Frasco. He loves it. Look how happy he is just to be chilling.

Oh, I'm going to go watch Call of Duty or play Call of Duty and watch Love is Blind. Oh, you like Love is Blind? I actually do. That shit pisses me off. It's so stupid that it just like I keep watching it. Julie loves it. She loves stupid. I can't handle it. Everyone says I need to go. I watch it until they find someone.

I'm like, oh my God, this is going to fail. So I just turn it off. Everyone's like, this is that's when the juicy shit comes. It's like after. It's some of the worst people on earth are on that show, right? Oh yeah. It's just trash. Some fucking trash.

I almost signed up for Love is Blind. They had the audition in Denver last year. Oh yeah, they did it in Denver. And I did the whole thing. They wanted, it was a 70 page paperwork. Holy shit. And then they wanted me to take a year off. A year? Well, that's not possible. I'm like, I can't do this. It's for people who have no life 70 page paperwork. Holy shit. And then they wanted me to take a year off.

A year? Well that's not possible. I'm like I can't do this. It's for people who have no life that want to be like on Instagram famous. Yeah. But my favorite dating show is Pop the Balloon. I need to watch that.

I don't get what channel it's on. It's on the internet. It's on the YouTubes. Black people are the best. They're the funniest, dude. They're the fucking best, dude. I like when they just walk up and they just pop the balloon right away.

Nope. Your shoes. Your shoes are ugly. Yeah. Those look like fake dreads. They're the funniest. They're the fucking best. I like when they just walk up and they just pop the balloon right away. Your shoes. Your shoes are ugly. Those look like fake dreads. Man, your neck is too big. I'm like, oh my God, this is fucking awesome. This is what we need to do to take from the African American community, honesty. Just tell you how you feel.

This is why we need to get out there. Win or lose. If your teammate or what? A party lost or won, whatever. Take the L, take the W, let's not smear it in our face. Use it to try to get people to come together. Because if we're just going to keep fighting, we're never going to learn from things.

And we need to fucking learn. And that's why we have Dave Shaw on the show for round two, because he's a learning guy. He's a learning guy. He's going through this weird moment in his life. You don't know who Dave Shaw is. Hey, Chris, play Dave's new solo record. He's from the Revivalist, lead singer of the Revivalist.

He was on the show a couple years ago, where he talks about getting raped by a dude. Yeah. And now it's like, that's how he started. It's like every time someone gets raped, it's by a dude. Yeah. And now it's like, that's how it started. It's like every time someone gets raped, it's by a dude. Huh? Yeah, that's true. And he's like, you talk to me like, I don't know how we're

going to top that episode, but we don't need to top it. I mean, I felt like we got into some deeper shit. It was a different kind of deep, right? It was like more of a... No, it's like going through... Existential. Yeah, he's a dad now. His band is... He's still fucking hot. He looks good. Really hot. He kind of looks like Grizz. God, he's just, you know, it's like going through... Existential. Yeah, he's a dad now. His band is...

He's still fucking... God, he looks good. Really hot. He kind of looks like Grizz. God, he's hot. He is a hot guy. Yeah, he's tall, right? And he's muscles and...

6'3", right? That's the type of body I want. Like lean muscles. Swimmer's body. Swimmer body. Shoulders. 6'3". Yeah, he's just a hot dude.

But you're going to love this interview. He's so nice, too. He's so sweet. And like, you know, he's you know, it's like even people who that confidence can get confused. And you're the great watch. He was going through a confusion moment in his life where, you know, that he is a rock star. Now he's a new dad. Now he's going through a thing where it's like year 20 or year 15 of his band. Yeah, so it's like they're all having tons of kids all everyone's having fucking tons of kids

I was like 11 kids in the man. Those Nantucket trips are getting expensive now. I didn't know they were like me. Oh, they love Nantucket They had a lot of rich fan base out there There's a lot of rich people there. Fucking awesome. All of them. I love rich people I got a couple of the rich fans. They're rich fans that come out to my show and they hook me up. Oh yeah. I'm like, I appreciate it. I won't say your names, but thank you for always setting me up too. But you're going to love this interview. And you're going to love Dave. Dave's the best talker. And then I-

He is a good talker. Yep. We're still going to have the podcast. I know I almost put out the Geese episode last week, but we almost spoiled the news. Oh, yeah. And their managers told me to take it off until next week. It was our fault. Because this is when they're announcing. It was our fault. We were just...

They asked us to not put it out yet and it got lost. It got lost in translation. So we're putting out next week. So we got Cameron from Geese. It was a great interview. And then Midland. That guy ruled too. Mark from Midland.

Dude, that band's huge. Most surprisingly cool guy we've had in a while. Like I knew Dave Shaw was going to be cool. Yeah, that was actually good. We were kind of worried about that one. Actually, Cameron Winter was cool too. We're getting great kids. Oh, we already have an opening for that one too, don't we? Yeah. Yep. So. So yeah, Cameron was actually like, he was really witty and like dry and had like a good like humor to him. Do you want anything from, Do you want anything from Italy?

Italy? Can I get you a leather belt? Nice leather belt? Oh, I'd love that, yeah. Okay, cool. I don't know if they make them big enough for me in Italy. Everybody's very skinny over there, aren't they? They are skinny.

The food's gonna be amazing, I bet. Oh, I'm so excited. That's why I've been taking a detox, kinda just get it all out. One thing about Italians, as lazy as they are, they really know how to enjoy their life. That's why I've been taking a detox, kind of just like get it all out. One thing about Italians, as lazy as they are, they really know how to enjoy their life. I mean, that's why they're lazy. Like the Spanish are a little bit like that too.

It's the little things. That's what I'm going to go out there and try to learn, is why is the European mentality more happy? They have less money, they have less concern. So I'm going to really digest and try to bring back a new perspective to bring to 2025 on this podcast You're going from hanging out with me and Brendan all weekend to Italy. It's very too very Catholic thing

Oh, yeah with the Cacuzzi's who are super Catholic and John Shields who's super Catholic John just takes me today. He's coming. Let's go even saying John Shields no No Salkin. No Salkin. I'm fine with that. That's all right. It's fine. We got too many.

Four dudes, fine. Four. The Cacuzzi is like three or four dudes. Oh yeah. They're so excited. Oh my God damn. I'm supposed to chill out. At least they have their own money.

Yeah. It's good. And fucking John Shields. Little Strangers making some fucking money now. He's probably rich by now. Yeah, I've been seeing that. Shout out's my boys rich ass

All the all the friends are coming up a little more fucking rich I bet Tony hinge close happy that Republicans. Oh my god, dude if he would have if inch clip If Kamala won his crew probably would have been over that have been so funny I don't know about that, but maybe he would have been so funny if Kamala won his crew probably would have been over that have been so funny I Don't know about that, but maybe he would have been funny at least just their jokes. Oh, yeah I was listening to Tim Dylan on on Rogan you were you last night. I Haven't I like Tim Dylan a lot though. I love Tim Dylan. I'm just not a big Rogan listener. They're so long

I'm not either if I see a clip that's like 20 minutes and the person's interesting I'll check that out. He's so back and forth like sometimes liberal now he's voting for Trump. I mean he's obviously a great podcaster it's the biggest podcast in the world for every yeah but it's just not my guy. He had a good point. You get to know each other after hour two. That's fair enough I'm not saying it's bad it's just like not for me. Anyway, Tim Dillon was awesome. He could definitely get great points. Yeah, he's a smart guy. He's smart Joe Rokin could Be both of our assets at the same time. Oh dude with a finger and he's like five four with his one fucking pinky finger All right guys enjoy David Shaw. I will be speaking Italian. You'll enjoy

We made the episode For Cameron last week, so. Yeah, we're good. We'll post that next week. We're good. And then I'll call you from Italy. That'd be fun. On the next week. You just. When it's Midland.

You're in like full Italian. Oh, dude. I got, it's, it's a wedding though. That guy was a man, right? That guy was a man. All right, enjoy David and buongiorno. Buongiorno. Buongiorno. in this ride so let's take a trip to our own paradise where we're digging back to our rules yeah how you doing buddy? I'm doing well I'm doing well. What's the word on the screen?

Feeling good. Feeling strong. I was thinking earlier today before we were going to do this. I was like, man, came in pretty hot with the last one. So I was like, man. What am I going to talk about this time? I was like, I don't know what we're going to do, but it better be good. From the younger self to daddy, Sean, now you're your dad. The baby is so fucking cute, dude. It's crazy.

It looks like you Z rocked yourself. Yeah. It looks like you just like imprinted your face on a baby. Hopefully it grows out of that. Oh my God. Thank you guys. I know. Seriously.

I'm like that baby. We all know who's baby that is. We definitely know who's baby that is. No maternity test required. No maternity test required. So what's it like? No need. What's it like being a rock star to dad?

Tell me. What's it like being a rock star to dad? Tell me what's it like. Oh my God. It's a, it's definitely an interesting dichotomy. And I find myself, I'm getting into it. It's, it's a bit of a struggle at times, you know, because a lot of times, you know, you want to, as I'm sure you, you, you, you know, you feel this, you want to like, you know, at times you want to live, you want to like, at times you want to live your music. You want to live these things. And that can get you in a lot of trouble. And it's gotten me in a lot of trouble in the past.

And so that has, the decision making around some of that kind of stuff has kind of changed a little bit. Not, as you know from the last podcast, if anyone wants to check that out, definitely they probably already know the story, you know, top five changed a lot of things in my life. Top five podcasts of history. I've also flipped a lot, you know, a lot, you know,

and I kind of, I put it up a big post about that scenario, about a month and like two months ago. So it's been a journey. What do you mean? What did you post? I didn't see it. What did you post? Just basically like kind of just like completely coming clean about my sobriety journey. And basically it was like, it's kind of like, I was basically like, it's like, look guys, you know, And basically, it was like, I was basically like, it's like, look, guys, you know, you know, I'm, I want to be sober. I'm for, for, but for the most part, I'm always sober, you know, but like, I just felt, I just felt like I was being a fraud, you know, I felt like a fraud in some ways.

Cause like, I think a lot of people look up to me, you know, to be this like sober beacon, but like, there were times in my life, you know, when I was supposed to be sober when I just was not. And you know, it just, and I was, you know, I'd hide it sometimes and I would do this and I would do that. Never went back to alcohol or cocaine or any, some of the, you know, harder things that I was doing that I, you know, definitely put in the past, but you know, it was just, it was, it just, it felt really freeing to get that off my chest

and to just kind of, you know, just have people come into like the now, just like where I'm at, you know, you're humanizing yourself, making good decisions. You're human. I was like, I'm fucking, you know, you're humanizing yourself, bro. You're human. And I was like, I'm fucking. Yeah, you're not a fucking superhero. Exactly. So you part of the process of. Yeah, no, exactly. So why do you take a little access?

Yeah, I think you can. Fuck you. So much to take a little access to. Nitrous, you know, I mean. Nitrous. Oh, oh boy, oh boy. Never gone there, never gone there, honestly. I gotta say, I can 100% say that I've never gone there. I don't got a lot of brain cells that I could give up

with that, I'm trying to hold on. Yeah, exactly. But David, I guess the question is, why do people put songwriters on such a pedestal like when they don't put themselves on a pedestal? Why can't we fuck up too and realize it's okay? Yeah, you know, and I think we can. And I just think a lot of times I think we put the pressure, well, in my, and I think we can. And I just think, I think a lot of times, I think we put the pressure, well, in my case,

I think I put the pressure on myself. Right. And just because, you know, I didn't want to, in my mind, I would be letting people down but like, now I really know that that's just not the case. Because all people want, you know, when I put that post out, there were so many messages that came back to me like, dude, oh my God, like I'm in the same place as you. We've been on the same journey. And it just makes me feel so good that like someone, you know, that I love their music,

I look up to them is is literally right there with me so right it uh yeah I I think I think we just put the pressure on ourselves honestly at least that's that was the that was my case totally that's the same that was my situation I'm trying to relieve that's about yeah I feel like yeah I got a little frass going me you might you got a little deep jaw in you That's right. That's our kindred spirits, bro. We don't have to talk to each other. We know exactly what's going on It's okay to fucking We just we put so much pressure on us to be perfect and we have to stop doing that

Because if we put that much pressure on yourself For our fans, how are we going to have anything left for your kids, for your friends, for your wife, you know, like band members. Band members. Well, fuck the band members. He's got a lot of them. He's got a lot of them. Like Slipknot up there.

Yeah, yeah, it's like Slipknot up there, dude. It's like, I don't know how many of those motherfuckers fit in the chicken box. Jesus Christ, dude. It's like, I don't know how many, I was motherfuckers fit at the chicken box. Jesus Christ, dude. But yeah, it's, it's the journey, bro. And it's okay to fuck up. I think that's part of life to fuck up. Like, what were you doing now is like, oh, you were overthinking a little axi-c? Or like, what were you doing that made you overthink your sobriety? Well, man, I mean, there was, I would, I dabble, I've dabbled on a bunch of things, honestly, and it was just here and there.

It wasn't like, it never really went off the rails like it did in the past. But you know, I was just like, man, yeah, you know, I will say one of the things, one of the songs from this record, one of the songs from this record, one of the songs from this record, the song Take a Look Inside, it's it's spurred from I was doing some like, call it I was just meditating on either mushrooms, or weed or whatever, you know, mostly just that, mainly just that at all. That was it. But I was just sitting with the anxiety that would come up because I just kind of got curious about what, okay,

it's like, why is it, is this like a higher part of myself saying, okay, like, you know, don't do this? Or is this just like the judgmental side of my inner voice, you know, don't do this, or it's just like the judgmental side of my inner voice, you know, just kind of creeping in. So I was just sitting with that feeling, not running, because I'd been running for a long time, I felt like, you know, just like forever, God, you know, and it was exhausting. I felt like a tiger in a cage, you know, and I'm just like, I feel like now I'm just like, you know,

that was my way to like remove some of the bars, basically. So I could maybe get my head out and at least get a little appalled out or whatever, you know? Right. But like, so I was, so I was doing that and I was just like, thinking about like, where is this, where is this anxiety kind of sitting? And then I just started talking to it and comforting it as if it was an entity kind of using some of what I know about internal family systems therapy, which is just like, are you familiar with that? No, tell me about it.

IFS? I don't, I mean, I am certainly not a doctor. I'm not a, I'm not a psychotherapist and know that, but what I do know is it's, it's, um, Richard Schwartz kind of came up with it and basically it's like, it's, it's parts work. And you have these parts of yourself that basically formed when you were a child during some kind of trauma or whatever, and it was very important and very helpful for you at that time in your life. Right.

These parts, but then, so then fast forward to later in life, these parts, they're still around. There are, they're still, there's good to be. There could be thousands of these little things inside of you. And they can be very vigilant at times when it's like, you know, not the right time. And it's just like, they've kind of done their job. And now they're like, kind of just like sticking around to like continue to do their job because they're really good at their job. But sometimes they don't need to do that job anymore. So you just got to basically say, hey, I appreciate

you for what you did. You really helped me, you know, at such and such time or whatever, whatever it was, you can, you know, you can, you know, you can, you can stop now, you know, I'm, I'm good in that area. I appreciate you for what you do. So you basically just like talk about it like that. And this guy's had, he's had a lot of success and his patience as well. Oh, and it really resonated with me

and it has helped me a lot. Just kind of like talking to that inner, those inner entities, I guess, you know? It's essentially closure. You're having closure with those, your older, your younger self. Yes. So younger selves or younger or these little younger traumas that have like arise. Yeah. Younger trauma. Trauma. Exactly. Yeah. So- Exactly. So why are you painting yourself up over taking a hallucinogen to help yourself? Like arise. Yeah. Younger trauma. Exactly. Yeah.

So exactly. So why you beat yourself up over taking a hallucinogen to help yourself. You're helping yourself by talking to me. I'm not anymore. I'm not anymore. Let's fucking go. It was more about the secret. It was more about like the secret that it was.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So this is the thing. Psychedelics, you could either do psychedelics to cure your brain or you do psychedelics to party. But they're there. Like I just took DMT this weekend and I kind of opened it opened my I talked to my I talked the same thing. I did the same thing. Like, why am I jealous of people? Why? Why is my why is ego taking over my life when I have a great life?

You know? We've got to shoot. I had to like talk to it to shoot it away. Like, look, I'm fine now. I'm successful. This old, young trauma that I had when I was a kid doesn't exist anymore. It just keeps poking its head because it doesn't know what to fucking do. And I think that's what you're saying, right? Mm.

It kind of reminds me of like... I mean, you were intuitively doing, you know, what this doctor has seen a lot of success and a lot of people have seen a lot of like healing. Like massive, like big, big, big time healing. So is it helping you? That's cool. Awesome. I love it.

I was just doing it. I said, cause I'm afraid to go to therapy. You're actually doing it with a doctor. I'm actually like just, the mirror down, sir. Yeah. Well, I haven't done it with the doctor. I haven't done it.

I haven't done it with the doctor. I haven't done it. I haven't done it with the doctor. I just did it on myself. Okay. Um, yeah, I, there was no doctor present. This was just what I know about how this doctor can, um, construct his, his, um, his sessions. Yeah. Basically.

Okay. He even says that, like, I've listened to his podcast and he even says you can do it on yourself He thinks that he thinks that you can get better much better results if you have a guide during it and like cuz like, you know hit he like there's a There's a he did a he did a session with Tim Ferriss on the Tim Ferriss show right to fairs. And it was a really, and it like talked about, I mean he went back to some really, really deep childhood trauma and

he's, you know, I'm not sure if it like healed him of these things, you know, but like speaks really, really highly of it. And it was, you know, I think it's something that he, you know, continues, you know, I think it's honorable that you people forget about themselves, especially with how your career is going. You're blowing your like, this is the biggest revivalist has ever been, I feel, right? And in a lot of ways, in a lot of ways, yes, in some ways, no, but yes, in terms of like the crowds at the live show, God, yes. Yeah, it's huge. It's pretty sweet.

It's pretty sweet. I'm pinching myself every day. What side of it isn't going that well? Well, I think, you know, when you have a big hit, you know, like, like, which I knew you was things just like, it was just like, it was like no success for, I don't want to say no success, very slow incremental success, which very grateful of super important. That's just like, that's the way we make our fans getting out there and playing in front of them. That's just, that's how it is. But then, you know, you have that song that just like,

you know, blows things up. And so it was like, it felt like that was like, that like 2017 to like right before the pandemic was like the holy shit moment, you know? I don't, I mean, God, and I've said this before, but like, you know, that was when we were just like touring, like mad and just trying to, you know, just trying to keep that momentum going, you know, because you never know like, how it's gonna go and then and then 2020 hit and that was, you know, I've said this a thousand times before, but

that was the best thing that ever happened to me. I know it was a terrible thing, you know, for, for, for humanity. Um, and, and a lot of ways, but I needed to get off the road. Yeah. You need to chill the fuck out. Yeah. Somehow you're doing nine shows a week. But that, yeah, we needed to chill the fuck out.

And then I always say that I'm thankful for that. I mean, I don't like that people died and shit, but I'm thankful that I got to slow down. Or I probably would be dead. Yeah. Yeah. It gave me a chance to like sit. And that was kind of where some of these things started, you know, cropping up. I was like, you know, early in the pandemic, going off the rails a little bit. And then I was like, okay, what the hell?

This is not good. I don't know. Let me recalibrate here. And that's when I started those meditations. And that's where the song, Take a Look Inside, kind of came from out of that. So do you feel like you put pressure on yourself to make a hit like I wish I knew? Say that again.

Do you feel like you need to make a you need to have pressure? Did you put pressure on yourself to make a big hit like that again? No. Uh, no, no, I can honestly say no. I don't like, like I definitely felt the pressure to follow it up. Right. I was like definitely feeling that kind of pressure. Yeah. But like at this point, I know that like, no one could ever have predicted that. No one.

So you just can't, you can't predict. Everyone thinks they know, you know, what song is going to do this and what song is going to do that. But no one really knows. You know, and it's, it's just about, you know, if it's, if it hits people in a certain way at a certain time and so it's like I don't I don't I Just I just make the music that I like and hopefully, you know that it resonates

You know if it's I feel like if it's resonating with me and it touches my heart or it makes my head bob Or it makes me feel good. I Mean that that's the if it's doing that to me, chances are it's going to do that for the people that like my music or our fans, you know? And hopefully it'll, you know, get out there to more people who don't know, you know, who I am or we are. This is why this man inspires me. He keeps on growing. You keep growing, baby. This is why this man inspires me. He keeps on growing. You keep growing, dude. Yeah. This is what's crazy. From four years ago to now, I, it's, it's, it's impressive, dude.

Cause that, that ego thing would have got the fucking best of me. I would be like, if I had that hit and I couldn't get that hit again, but what the fuck is wrong with me? I feel like with the pressure thing, it's like the worst way, the worst way to try to write a hit is to pressure yourself to write a hit. Right. And that's what it is. Like we forget that this music is for us. I'll just tell you. So a little insider info. We turned the album in and the record company was like, you know, they're like the old Tom Petty line. We don't hear a hit. And they were like, okay,, though they're like the old Tom Petty line, we don't we don't hear a hit.

And they were like, Okay, what else do you got? You know, and thankfully, thankfully, no one actually told me that no one actually said, Well, the record label doesn't record label doesn't they're not feeling that you know, like this is that you're like, we need to win something else. They just said, they kind of just were like I don't exactly know how they said it but they didn't say they don't they don't hear it you know that's literally like like 12 hits it's so good the whole record so good yeah like the Dodger starting lineup yeah new records really good no oh my god but keep going keep Oh, thank you. Thank you.

No, it was just like, you know, it was just like, thankfully, you know, I think that did I feel some pressure? Yes. And I think sometimes pressure is good. Yeah. But putting pressure on yourself to ride a hit, I think it's a little different than pressure from the outside. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. There's something that's slightly different about that.

Because it's like, neither are good. Let me just say that. Neither of them are good. But a little pressure is sometimes, I guess, you know? I don't know. It's just what kind. I think you nailed it on the head. Like who are we writing this music for? Do you like it? Do head. I don't know, it's just what kind. I think you nailed it on the head, like who we writing this music for? Do you like it?

Do you bob your head towards it? Are you writing it for the suits upstairs? No, you're writing it for you because you know you're a professional at good taste. Yeah, and they're not. And they're not. Yeah. So they could suck a dick from a back.

Who cares if the accountants don't like it? Tell those fuckers to suck a dick from the back. I'll say it for you. I'm just kidding. Yeah, every... No. I'll say it for you. I'm just kidding. I know, it's crazy man. Yeah, it's definitely about... So, what if...

I appreciate it. I thank you for saying what you said, man. Seriously. No, man. We gotta have each other's backs, dudes. We gotta have each other's backs. You're a great songwriter. That's good management. Morgan, shout out. I don't know who manages you anymore. Does Morgan manage you?

Morgan, yeah. Shout out to Morgan. Shout out to Morgan. I love Morgan. I love Annabelle too. Annabelle's great. Shout out to Morgan. Blow the horn. We love to blow. Yeah, managers.

Yeah, managers. No, but sometimes you have to like, I don't know. I don't want it. Like when you're in the middle of a record and you're being so vulnerable on a record, you don't want fucking outside sources telling you. Never played an instrument in their life. What to do until it's done. Right.

And then at the end when it's done I don't know so But it's the music business and they're the bank so they own the record Yeah, so it's a little bit of a push and pull so I don't know it is a business like it is a business But fuck that yep, yep in a lot of ways yep Yeah, I know you still like the business. Do you still like the business? Do you still like the business? Did you ever like the business? Yeah. You know, I, I try to stay out of the business. I don't like dealing with it. I don't like, like I've never looked at our bank account. That's, and I know that sounds insane, but

I just don't look at it. I'm just like, I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I just don't want to know. Like, and that's probably bad because I, you know, no, no, it's good. No, we don't want to know. I just know. Cause it's like, I always, I just feel like it's going to infect me because sure. I like money, you know, sure. I like to like, you know, go eat like thousand dollars sushi meals and shit like that. I've seen your Gucci loafers. I've seen your watch. I've seen your Gucci loafers. Yeah.

It's pretty nice guitar hanging there behind you. I just yeah. It's like, yeah, you know, exactly. I just I don't I feel like it could infect me in a way that I don't I don't think is good. So I just try to like, I try to stay away as much as I can. Yeah. And we're checking the bank account. I'm going to change the passwords now. Sure. Sure you are.

You still know the new password. Yeah. So has this whole change of mindset happened when you had a kid? Uh, it kind of started to happen when I knew that a child was, you know, in my future, like for sure, you know, I had kind of like, put that off for as long as I basically could. And just in like, the sense of like put that off for as long as I basically could. And just in like the sense of like, I don't want to make sure that I'm, you know, like mind body financially like secure because I just know I just, you know, I didn't know

how it was going to rock me. You know, like I just didn't know I was scared of like, it it's just gonna just be this like, you know, thing in my life. And I'm like, Oh my god, I'm just stressed all the time now, which it had, it just wasn't that, you know, that was just all the anxiety and all the fear of just like, unknown. Um, but so like, so yeah, I started to kind of like, take stock. And there was definitely some things I needed to get off my chest and clear some fucking space, clear some space. You know, you got all this shit, you know, you got all these like ruminating thoughts that are just constantly in there and you don't just like get them out. You don't have that conversation with

that person or you don't deal with this thing that's just like been, you know, gnawing on you. Like I feel like I'm, I feel like right now I'm doing one of your Monday motivation. And I loved your, I loved your, I loved the fucking one about the wins and losses. You know, you got to take some L. Yeah, I know I'm totally ADD right now. But you got to take some L's. If you're not losing, if you're not losing, if you're not like taking some losses, you're not learning. Right. And that's the thing that I, you know, that's one of the things that like, I'm gonna take some more losses. And I'm not trying to like, I'm going to knock on some wood here. Like I don't need to like take a ton of losses. You know, but like, There's there they make you learn like they're just they're so important. They're so they're almost they're more important than the wins

I agree because like what do you what do you learn from the wins? Yeah, like what i'm nothing No, I don't not I don't know. I was like I was really like thinking about that when you put that up. I was like I don't know. I was like, I was really like thinking about that when you put that up. I was like, I don't, yeah. What have I learned from my wins? And I've just, yeah, I've always learned more from the losses. So, right. So what were you, what were you going? That was a total tangent. No, no, but no, I think you're onto something because whatever's going in your head before you're trying to like clean out your shelves is kind of an L in your head. Like, why didn't I talk to that person? Why can't I have closure? It's the same type of, it's the same feeling. So what was that going in your head that was like, you couldn't, you couldn't have closure with that, with

those thoughts or you wait till a kid to fucking have closure with that, with those thoughts. Or you wait till a kid to fucking have closure. Yeah. Yeah, once again, just anxiety. Scared of the outcome. Right. You know, just, you know, like, I'm one of those people who. OK, like Mike Tyson, for example. He before he goes into a fight, he says he's scared to death. And I wouldn't think that it's insane.

You know, like I wouldn't I would think that like, I would think that this person is like, this guy's a killing machine. You know, this guy's like, he's just like, you know, yeah. But he says he's scared to death. And he needs so he's so it's like, but he needs that to be able to get into that ring. And so when I kind of like when I heard that I was kind of like, oh, like oh, just like him talking about that was a little bit of like a, this is literally just like a little clip on Instagram, but it was very profound for me to realize,

I've got to be scared. I've got to feel that in order to be able to bring the energy that I'm inevitably going to need when I'm in the ring or on the other side of this, of whatever it is. Is that why you went solo? So you can have that fear again? Is that why you did a solo project so you could have that fear again that you don't have your band backing you up?

You like have this thing like that's kind of scary going solo after being fucking big deal with revivalism. It's definitely scary. And it's hard, you know, it's like, it's hard to, you know, because every, you know, for, for, you know, people identify me, you know, as, as a revivalist, you know, in a lot of ways. And so, you know, I, it's, it has been, you know, at every turn, it's like every, you know, and you know this, every, every decision's on me now.

Yeah. You know, I don't have anybody I can just like really turn to other than like managers or whatnot, you know, but like, you got to do everything you got to answer. You got to, it's just, it's a lot, but it's been such a growth thing for me. That was what I needed because I was like, okay, I could just stay comfortable and do this for the rest of my life, which is great. I'm extremely grateful for what we've built. I think it's beautiful and like, there's so much healing that happens,

you know, at these concerts, you know, like the other night we were playing and like we're playing so fight and like there's just like a group of like three or four people just like weeping in the front but I can tell it's like tears of like joy. Like they're like, they're like, you know, they're like doing some healing in that moment. And that is like sacred to me. You know, like that is like. Everything, you know, but who heals the preacher, so it's a really beautiful thing. Who heals the preacher?

Yeah. And you was reviving. You're right. You're right. So. You're right. You're right. So I're right. You're right. So I just, you know, I think it's just, it's getting out of my comfort zone. It's like being able to just like do this thing that is scary as hell. And I'm just doing it. You know, I'm doing it and it feels good. I gotta say it feels good. But yeah, now, so I told you, I don't really look, I honestly, for this project, for the solo stuff, unfortunately I do have to look

at the bass. I'll clap to that. That's funny. Yeah. Chris Kelpute ain't cheap. That's funny. Yeah. Chris Kelby. Chris Kelby. That's cheap. Exactly.

Because I mean, because once again, like every, every single decision is on me. So it's just, there's no, there's no like taking a back seat for the things that you don't want to worry about. Yeah. You know, which I think that's a lot of times no like taking a backseat for the things that you don't want to worry about. Yeah. You know, which I think that's a lot of times that's what a band provides, you know, it just provides support in certain areas. And everyone over time just kind of like falls in and into their, you know, they fit their

slot and then that's just how it goes. It's like an Amiga, an Amoeba with eight arms or whatever, you know. So, yeah, that was why I started doing solo stuff. How do you depart to and also manage? What's up? Keep going with your thought. Sorry about that. No, no, no. You go, you go. I could just I'm just going I'm just going to go. So you know, because what I was asking is, how do you departmentalize? What's David Shaw's song and What's a revivalist song?

Tell you the truth, I don't know that answer to that question very honest I do Yeah, yeah. Well, the thing is the thing that I'm kind of starting to, you know, realize is that, well this, this pre this, this record that I just put out a little more acoustic shows a little bit of a different tone of my voice, I think, with certain, I don't know, just certain keys of songs, like the key choice, it'll kind of bring out a different timbre and a tone. Yeah.

I feel like this record is like a little softer. Yeah. There's not like a bunch of like uptempo bangers on it. Um, I just wanted to make something that was just kind of like just right in that zone, you know, just put it on and just go, um, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe the, maybe the, the reps may make a, make a soft record in the future or, you know, something that's a little more chill or maybe we go harder than we ever have.

Oh yeah. You know, I don't, that's, that's the thing I'm still figuring out because historically, you know, we've also just never really worried about the genre that we were kind of like delving into song to song. Like our albums are multiple, our albums are like multiple personalities, you know, from song to song. Like, I mean, so maybe the pressure is longevity. It's a trip.

Maybe the pressure is longevity. Keeping this a trip. Maybe the pressure is longevity. Keeping this thing going for as long as you can. I mean, yeah. A lot of mouths to feed. Yeah. It's, yeah, because it's, it's physically, it's tough, as you know. Yeah. You know?

Homey just had twins too. You know, it's rock and roll. It's the young man's game. Someone had twins in your band? Oh yeah, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Zach had game. Someone had twins in your band. Oh, yeah, dude. Yet. Yeah, Zach had Zach. Which one's Zach? What did he play?

Guitar, because the saxophone is having a kid. He plays guitar. Yeah. Isn't the saxophone is having a kid, too, right? Yeah, they're all having babies. Oh, man. Yeah, he has. Yes, too. There's already has kids between everyone in our band. Now there's 11 children. Oh, kids between everyone in our band now. There's 11 children Oh, wow, it's our tribute band number

They are oh my god, yeah, it's like it is a mad house at this point. Nantucket gets expensive in a good way. It's a good it. Yeah. Nantucket can get excited now, brother. Yeah. Nantucket those trips to Nantucket probably get expensive now. Oh my God. Yeah. I love it. So God bless. God bless that man. That island. You are the mayor of that island. Really? Revivalist. I didn't know that they are like gods.

They're like the Rolling Stones of Nantucket. Oh my God. It is. And it's tight to have those people on your corner because they kind of run the country. So it's good. They're in the shadows. It's true. You got good friends.

Yeah. So yeah, they're in the shadows. So is money. You got good friends. Yeah. So yeah, they're in the shadows. So is money a pressure now that you have like 100 kids running around this band? Like you have to like survive or is it you guys don't worry about that? I mean, we're okay. I think it's not. I don't, you know, I don't feel it too much I mean, it's always a thing I think you know, right But it's not you know, we're we're pretty good in that area. It feels feels pretty

Pretty okay, like we're taking off We're doing a few shows here and there, you know you know this next like up until the spring summer area, you know and just kind of I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, that. Can I ask you something? Honestly, is it a mind fuck to go from 15,000 people a night to going to like a thousand

people a night for your solo show when it's really you? I mean, or 500 people a night, you know, like, yeah, like how do you, how do you, how do you understand that in your brain? Like how do you understand that in your brain? It's never been, it's never really been about that to me, honestly. It's amazing to play for 15, 20, 30, whatever, you know, at these, at these festivals or red rocks or whatever. Incredible, incredible. But like I get the same, like I did. Okay, I'll just

say I just did a South by Southwest in March and went there carrying all my own gear doing all the thing was back. It was basically like it was 2010. And I had this like epiphany because I you know, I was like I don't have to really we just don't just like we don't have people that do that and like they work really hard. Yeah, we look we we love them, you know, like it's just like a rock star. That's what this is what happens these days. So I was doing all that and I just had this epiphany like and like I absolutely love this. Like I don't care. Like I, I'm,

hell yeah, I'm carrying all this shit and setting all this stuff up. I'm tuning my guitar up in front of the crowd before the show. Like, I don't care. I just, I just didn't care because I just realized I just, I know that I'd be doing it for 10 people in a bar on a Tuesday. Exactly. If there was no success. Exactly. It's just like, it's who we are. It's who we are. It's like, you know, Andy, you know, you'd be doing it. Fuck yeah. 110%. You know, like, you know, you would. Yeah. That's why I'm asking you. Like, maybe it's like you talk about, like, you weren't having fear anymore playing for 15,000 people.

So maybe like you needed this solo project to kind of fucking hold your guitar and get your chords to kind of like ground you back to why you started doing this in the fucking first place is to make us feel good and charge our bath. Yeah, yeah. first place is to make us feel good and charge our bad. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. A lot of people don't do that. There's definitely a lot of that. There's a lot of that. What is going on?

I mean, I'm probably I think we're getting bad. I think I'm probably going to I'm going to do a van tour here, probably in the spring. Can I drive you around? Which is going to be sick. Can I drive you around? I'll be your TM. I'll do merch.

Please. Let's go. And you'll drive. I'll do merch. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the thing that I realized about that, man that man you know the thing I realized about that is like a band has like if you're going to be a real if you're going to be a real band I don't care

if you're like a solo band or like you're a band band if you're going to have like have the same people playing with you for a long you know a you know number of years, I think it's imperative to go through that process together. The band, just like the band, the band band dynamic, because it makes you, it solders those relationships. And it just puts things, you get really close to somebody, somebody starts to really piss you off or whatever. You have these hard conversations, you get tired, you get in the van at 2am, you drive three hours, you get up at 11am, you drive another three or four hours, you're all just dead, but you're all going through it together.

Yeah. And it's like just getting in a bus and touring with people in, you know, in a super comfy situation is, it's cool too. We're about to do that in November. But it's just like, it's not the same thing and it doesn't create the same thing within a band. I think. I agree. I mean, that's how you felt.

That makes it other in the first place because you're in the van fucking sleeping at the bars and fucking fighting it out and waking up at 7am to drive six hours. I mean, that's what it is that it's that fight. We lost the fight when you get comfortable. Yeah. You need that fight to keep growing the 10,000 you got it exactly exactly you need to you just need to do it I mean it's just and honestly I freaking miss it yeah I do I trust me you get comfortable I don't miss I don. I don't miss all the damn Funyuns and beef jerky.

I'm probably going to inevitably put into my system. Yeah. Wow. David, you're like finding yourself a game, bro. That's pretty dope. What the hell? Isn't it cool? You're fine. You're just my, uh, it's just my like, is this my like, is this my like, what do they say? It's like your second actor. It's like my 40.

I'm like, it's not a midlife crisis. It's like a midlife awakening or something. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like. Yeah. I think that's great. It's not that, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah hearts and our brains? Rotate the tires of your mind. Yes.

The fuck? Dude, you said it right there. Exactly. That's it. That's it. Yeah. That's it. Because you're not the same person.

I'm not the same person I was even a year ago. Definitely not a year ago. Totally. Or three years ago, four years ago. Totally. Yes. That's why you're saying when you, that's why I love the beginning of our conversation, we're like, yo, I took some mushrooms, I had to apologize, but

you're fighting yourself and look at you now, you're still fighting yourself. It's like, fuck, I'm apologizing for fighting myself. Still, still on the journey. Yes. We're never not going to be on the journey, right? No, exactly. Hopefully. I'm always going to be.

Yeah. What's Gail Butte say about all this? The thing that I can say is, you know, it's like, I'm just, you know, it's like, you can't be honest. You can't be honest with someone else if you're not just like so devastatingly honest with yourself, you know, and I'm for a long time I just don't think I just couldn't get there, couldn't get there, and I'm like I'm getting there, I'm getting way more close to that.

Holy shit. You know, just, you know, I still got some things to do when I still got some work to do. In retrospect, in retrospect, why do you think you were there when you're like super famous? Do you think you had to put on a, a mask or something to for perception? You know, I think a little bit like when you put on a bit of a mask, it makes you feel, you know, it's superficial, but it makes you feel a little bit like, okay, like, you know,

because like, I'm a, in a lot of ways, I'm an introvert, introvert in a lot of ways, like, for sure. Um, so like I needed to kind of like put that on going through that kind of, that, that whole process, you know, that whole, that whole scenario, like I never had any anxiety before people started giving a shit. Trust me. It's any of that. Like, why somebody asked me earlier than that. Yeah, I never had any of that. Like somebody asked me the other day, they were like, oh my God, I can't believe you still have, you get performance anxiety.

And I'm like, yeah, like I, I didn't, it was exactly the opposite for me. Like I didn't get it in the early years because, you know, like there weren't that many people at the shows. Like it didn't matter. Right. You know, it's or whatever, you know, and then it's like, oh, like now there's like, you know, thou there's like people and eyes and so it kind of fucks with you. You know, it fucks with you. This is why, this is why this is so cool. You're doing a solo project. This is why I think this is like that grounding self. This is that thing where you like look yourself in the mirror and say why do I have all this extra weight? Like how much, I think of it like a backpack.

How much is in your backpack? How heavy is it that you're like, if it's so heavy you can't walk around and be free We started we start taking shit out of that backpack so we could at least Put our shoulders back and be ourselves again. Absolutely. Yeah, you already have so much pressure You don't even want to look at my back. Well, it's bad. My backpack is like what the hell Like a chance for the things is falling like an anchor. Yeah. I mean, I mean, that's a thing. We've, Oh my God. It's going back to, you know, you have kids, you have 10 band members with a

hundred other kids. You have a wife, you have a mortgage, you have the pressure of writing songs for this big fucking band revival. An audience. An audience that has pressure on you to be this sober fucking angel. And then you're doing all this for everyone else that we need to look in the mirror and say, I need to start doing stuff for myself as too. So this is why I think it's so dope that you're finding yourself and doing all this stuff because you deserve happiness too, bro. You can give out all the love you want, but you're the one who needs happiness, too

That's why I'm in I've always been a that's always been I've been team Shaw bro, and you're really good that helps. Yeah Really good you are Thank you guys. No, it's true man. You're good to Nick. Thanks blow the shit out of that We did a gd50 gig together. Yeah, we did a gd50 after party. You remember that? We did a GD 50 gig together. Yeah, we did a GD 50 after party. You remember that? He's saying this shit had a problem. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, dude. Well, that's great Well, I'm here for you anytime. He knows that was that was nice. Thanks for being vulnerable with me You know, I think I think we top the Top the the past life now. We're talking about you in this life

And I think that's it's a good complimentary of how who you were then who you are now And I think that's a, it's a good complimentary of how, who you were then and who you are now. And I think that's awesome. Still handsome. My man, I was, I was so looking forward to this. We gotta, we gotta be closer, bro. You know, honestly. I'm going to start texting you more. Yeah. I'm, dude. Seriously.

Yeah. All right. I'm serious. Let's get closer. It's happening. I'm going to shoot you a DM. I was like, okay, we gotta, let's do that. Yeah. Because I feel like we are both on different parts of our lives where you're like in your own world. I was like trying to grow and get this like trying to get, you know, trying to get like some success. But now we're both at this other point in our life now that I think we could actually like take the ego out and be home real homies. 100% 100% Oh my God, please. Yeah. And do you live in Denver? I live in Denver these days. I live in Denver.

Yeah. And I'm kind of toying with the idea of getting a house in LA or something too. So are you still in New Orleans? Oh, boy. Let's go, boy. I was just going to say, man, if we lived in the same city, you know, we'd be hanging out, I know we'd be coming, but how hard is to be sober in maybe I'll come to L.A. Maybe I'll come to Denver or let's go to Nashville. And he for us, my Galbuda moved to L.A. Right there.

Let's go to Nashville and write some songs with Gal Buda. Move to LA, right there. Let's go to Nashville and write some songs with Gal Buda. We'll do a Trino thing. Oh gosh, I don't know if I can do Nashville. What'd you say? Not lie. Yeah, Nashville, I couldn't, I don't think I can move to Nashville. It's not enough Jews. Yeah. I need some Jews in the building.

They all take Sunday off. That's what my wife would say. How's the morale of the band? Is everyone happy? Do you guys all like each other still? Yeah, we do. We do. Um, everything is great. Happy. You know, we've gone through a lot together. We've gone through a lot together. We've had our things and we continue to just... We're good at not letting... We're getting better at not letting things fester, I think.

Yeah. You know, when you do have some kind of thing you know and I got it I got to give that up to a lot of my bandmates as well like they're really really great and just you know they're really good talking about things some are some are better than others but like you know it's really it's good it's good I learned I've learned a lot you know from from from my boys yeah and I hope they've taken a few things from me along the way. It's been a long journey.

You think you're sure. Do you think we've been together for 17 years? I know. Damn fucking crazy longer than most marriages. All marriages. You're married to 11 days. 24. We got together in

2007 yeah, so yeah Shit, well, buddy. Thanks for talking. Thanks for being vulnerable. You're the best. We love you so much I've always I'm always a fan and I'm always thinking about you and I'm glad you're taking care of your brain because If you're if you're not gonna do it, no one else is gonna do it for you because you're out there giving it out to everyone else That's true That's 100 right there so go get them. Let me to bro be safe out there. Thanks After this No, you're the best. I'll text you after this and let's be honest be friends sure. It looks so comfortable

I just want to add that look he just he's just comfortable comfortable is that shirt you're wearing? That's a comfortable shirt. Looks like a comfortable shirt. Damn, look at... Young Maven. Young Maven, you guys. How do they get younger? Young Maven. He just looks younger and younger every year. This is bullshit. Doesn't drink.

I'm looking like a piece of shit. This man is looking hot. One, he doesn't drink. That's true. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, OK. He's not poisoning himself.

Yeah. That's what I think, too. I want to admire about you, Dave. You're doing sober in New Orleans. Yeah. You know how hard that is? Yeah. It's not the easiest thing. So give yourself a little more slack. It's kind of one of those things, you know, I'm doing that these days. Give yourself a little more slack. You're trying your best. I'm doing that these days. Give yourself a little more slack.

You're trying your best. I'm doing that. Yeah. Tell everyone who isn't giving you enough. With a lot of help from my buddy Andy. Well, we're here together, buddy. I'm doing, you know, you're just, you're doing it better than I am. No one wants to be sober more than Andy Fresco.

On that note, have a great day, dude. Love you, buddy. great day, dude. Love you, buddy. Be safe out there. Love you guys. I'm thinking of you always, bro. Later, bud. Fucking Nick.

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