Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 299: Travis Book & Anders Beck (Infamous Stringdusters & Greensky Bluegrass)

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

A very special visit from two very special people as we open the show today with your daily dose of nonsense jabberjawing, brought to you by Nick & Andy! And stay tuned for an exciting opportunity for one of our dear listeners to get awarded CASH-MONEY ($$$) in honor of next week's 300th episode of our vapid little show ~ Make sure to call the number below after listening. Lots to discuss on the opening, but even more to discuss on the Interview hour as we welcome Travis Book (Infamous Stringdusters) and Anders Beck (Greensky Bluegrass) to the podcast! Travis and Anders got a bit of a "reverse engineered supergroup" going on called The Broke Mountain Bluegrass Band and they'd like to share their story with you now...  We're psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think that YOU deserve to get a 300th episode prize: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Mara Davis Beau Matt

We're back baby. Andy Frasco's World Team Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. Just fucking happy today. Are you? Wow. You should be an actor. Yeah, I think I feel like I am sometimes.

How's your heads? How's your minds? How's your hearts? Yep. How's all that stuff? How, like literally, how is your head? Like. Pretty good.

Is it good? I had a little cut here. How's all that stuff? How, like literally, how is your head? Like- Pretty good. It's good? I had a little cut here, it's starting to heal, but- What happened? I'm just like, was shaving my head and got a lot of- Oh, I would love to watch you shave your head.

Really? Yeah, kind of cool. Why? I don't know, just seeing people vulnerable like that, just shaving their head, looking in the mirror. No, luckily I had terrible hair to begin with, so it's not that big of a loss. Plus, I knew I was going bald since I was about nine.

But you own it. Yeah. That's all you got to do. All you got to do. I've been wearing a hat every day. You got to own your insecurities. Yeah. It's not even insecurity.

I'm just whatever. Well, you know, own your... Yeah. Faults. Own your faults, not insecurities, because it's just... Faults. Own your faults. Own your disgusting, unsightly faults, people.

Did your parents already call you about our pod last week? Oh God, I'm having PTSD about it. They haven't talked to me. It wasn't that bad. We're mostly kind of saying they were right about some stuff. I did, I was like, I don't think I was talking, I wasn't talking shit, I was just talking about the Republican thing.

I was mostly talking shit about my sister. You're mostly talking shit about how your family wants you to live a more traditional lifestyle. Right. Yeah. That's all it was. Yeah. But they're gonna like look at it like I'm talking shit. Yeah, they're boomers. They don't really, they overreact.

But I know my mom listens. Mom, I wasn't talking shit. I don't think we said one thing about your mom that wasn't nice. We said all the nice things. I'm pro Marlena. Marlene? Marlene. Marlene.

Oh, Marlene. I am too. She's a nice lady. And I'm pro Pops. I'm pro Marlena. Marlene? Marlene, oh Marlene. I am too, she's a nice lady. And I'm pro pops. I'm pro my family. My sister's pissing me off, but I still love her. Siblings do that. I'd love to go get a drink with your dad sometime.

I'd better be a good combo. My uncle Rich said he was throwing up all day the next day. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's old. It was up till 2 a.m. We were ripping whiskey and just talking. He loves watches. My dad got me into watches. Yeah, and Billy Strings. And Billy Strings. Shout out to Billy. Thanks. Watch! What's up Nick? You ready? You ready? Here it comes. How was your show this weekend? It was great. Was it good? Yeah, we played awesome.

That's awesome. Mm-hmm. The other bands were fine. You know what? You know what? You know who's here we need to have on the show just to get an update. Bo Balinski is in the building. Bo Balinski. Get up here. Oh wow.

There he is. Pull that mic up. Hey buddy. Pull the mic up. Pull the mic up. Should be good to go. How you doing, Bo? Oh, I'm back. Oh, yeah, it's working.

You're back? I can already hear it. Got it? Yeah. Hey, Bo. What's up? What's up, bud? How you doing? Oh, we're doing good.

Pumpkin man. How's your winter been? I feel like I haven't talked to you. I know. You've been gone this whole time. It's been good. Yeah. It's been relaxing.

Chilling? Fucking chilling. Ready to get back to work? He's in mode. Oh, dude, I'm so ready. Yeah. Have you been, has itin'. Fuckin' chillin'. Ready to get back to work? He's in the mood. Oh dude, I'm so ready. Yeah, has it been boring? Because you work so much.

Maybe you needed the break. Whenever I'm on a break, the first two weeks it's amazing. And then I start getting restless. Fuckin' great, but now yeah, no, I'm ready to get back. I got my Bucky shirt on. Oh, he's ready. He's tour ready. Any advice for tour managers?

Lot of tour managers listen to the show. Don't work for any of the rest of them. Don't worry, he'll overwork you until you have a mental breakdown, and then he'll tell you, just stop working, and then you stop working, and then. You're like, why ain't everything done? And he screams at you for why nothing's done.

Tom's about right. Yeah, well, I'm sorry, I'm such a nutcase. I just care. It's all right, but I know you do. I really care about this business. I hope other people care about this business too. Yeah. Yeah.

All right, bye. Thanks, Bo. Who are you just yelling at? This is my brain. I got to convince my brain sometimes that I'm not the only one working. Like I see Bo now, I see Bo at the office now. It's like, I feel like we're all working.

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and how it's gonna look pretty. Oh really? That's cool. It's gonna be nice. So head to volume.com for great content. Hell yeah. I've been, what have I been dreaming about? You dream, have you been dreaming?

Um, I don't, I haven't done anything that I remember. Really? No, just nightmares. I was talking to Matt. I want to call Matt our manager. I was telling him about a dream. Matt Thompson? Matt Thompson.

Is that really his last name? He's obsessed with leftovers. He's been eating Thanksgiving leftovers. Leftovers, oh the food. Still? Still. We need to talk about this. I think he's addicted. I think it's botulism. I'm like, hey Matt, you're on the podcast.

Oh, God. Tell us, we are very fascinated about your addiction to leftovers. Is this really an important conversation? Yes. We are very fascinated about your addiction to leftovers. Is this really an important conversation? Yes. Yes. We're talking about it. We're like, you've been eating leftovers for two weeks. I think you're addicted.

I think you're exaggerating on six days now. Yeah, that's not possible. Um, I just, I love, first off, this is more about Thanksgiving meals than it is leftovers. You love Thanksgiving. I do love Thanksgiving. I love the food. I love the community. I love all of that. It's awesome.'s why he's a good boy. Yes on southern to me But then also like having quick meals to eat so like, you know, I had a call with Andy Frasco 30 minutes ago So I went grabbed him something to eat real fast because I know he's gonna call me back in 30 minutes from now So I need to get some food in my life Yeah, I need to hear I need to hear from my managers at all times. Oh, yeah. Yeah at all time How much merch do we sell today?

30 minutes At all times. Oh, yeah. Yeah all time. How much merch do we sell today? He's checking the other show ticket numbers how we how we feeling about the tour how we feeling about our things coming together Yes, I mean there they are together We just haven't let the public know about all the things that are coming It's excited. We have a bunch of shit coming. Yeah, we have a ton of shit coming. Yeah, it's also and What are you most excited about? What am I most excited about? Things that we can't talk about

I'm such a little yet. I want everyone to know everything. I know you can't hold anything back. I can, I can hold it back. Do you think I was really, did you, you listened to the rest of the podcast last week, do you think I was really, really mean? Was I mean? You weren't mean. You were just being honest about what was happening. Like people may take it as

It was mean, but I don't think There was anything mean about it. You were expressing your emotions about what was happening at the time So no, I mean, okay. I well, I just want to let you know. I love you your podcast. I love you too bud Um, thank you for putting up with me yesterday What was yesterday? What was the issue yesterday? Oh no, I called you, you were talking about nutritional value and I said stuffing doesn't have nutritional value. Yeah, it does.

Nutritional for your heart and soul. He's like shut up! He's like, like a kid. Shut up, mom! Nutritional for your heart and soul. I'd be a little bit dressing. All right, well I'll be done with it. I guess it would be called stuffing, not right stuffing he's from the south they call dressing

is is like a gravy salad dressing yeah yeah salad dressing do you say do you say that you dress your coffee I know some people from the south when they put milk and sugar and they say they're dressing their coffee I've never heard that Kentucky's different from the south yeah Yeah, like that was like a bridge of Midwest and Southern shit, that's true. That's true. That's true. It's a little different. We say pop right like that's a yeah Chicago Midwest and I say pop soda is southern All right, buddy. I'll let you go. I know you got to work and they got to work But um, do you want to give the people any motivation for their week?

Just work hard Hang up on it. All right. I gotta go You all be nice and just be on time nice Matt's a good boy. I like Matt. I've never had. Be nice. Matt's a good boy. I like Matt. I've never had an issue with him. He's a good boy. I wish, you know, yeah, nevermind. I was going to talk about it, but. About what?

That? About that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Andy's in turmoil. It's not even turmoil. I just. Yeah, that's true. I don't want to even bring it up,

because people are going to notice. Whatever. And if you're wondering why I'm not subbing for Ernie, it's because Andy said I'm too fat. And he said... He said no. No more fat people. Everyone was asking, like,

they always thought you were going to be the shoo-in. I kind of like it. It's sort of like, I don't know, we can't do everything. You would hate being in my band. I got to be honest, that one tour we did almost broke me emotionally. What, the Europe tour? That was actually that one too.

No, I'm just kidding. But it's just not a, it would make the podcast worse. I think so too because you'll be spiteful to me. No, I wouldn't be spiteful. It's just too much of the same person. Not because it's you, just anybody. That's true. That's why the podcast is fun.

What the fuck would we talk about? We gotta ask each other. We're all gonna be giggling and talking all day. Yeah. Then we come to the podcast, we'll be like, we have nothing to talk about. Maybe since I said no to that, something better will come along, you know? Sometimes that happens.

I like that your spring's looking good. I think it's because you took fall off. Yeah. Supply and demand, baby. I love it. I'm doing less shows. Adam Smith, baby, he was right. Supply and demand.

What did he say? He's like the famous economist from the 1800s. He wrote that book, I cannot remember what it's called right now. It's like the fucking foundation for how they teach economics. Economics now and then. I was having a 4 a.m. drunk talk about the economics of the music industry. What economics of the music industry?

What? What economics? That's what I was saying, everyone's inflating all their prices and then paying the band the same that bands can't afford to go on tour right now. Where's all this money going? That's what I'm saying. What's inflating? CEO salaries? Totally, but if you're going to inflate expenses, inflate the cost of a band too.

Yeah, exactly. weren't technically an expense We are I mean we're bringing people to the club. Yeah, exactly. There's something going on here There they just know that their shows aren't selling and they still have to do 200 shows a year So some shows need to be and they they make all the money off the ticketing too in the the bar. In the bar, unless you're a promoter who doesn't own real estate. Like the bar. Yeah. Because it's all these monopolies with Live Nation

and AEG that all the independent pros are getting fucked. It's like the same thing that's happening in every other industry. It's just like, why are you doing it to this industry? There's not even enough money in here for you to really take advantage of it. Go do crypto. You know what I mean? Like leave this to people who know what they're doing.

That's why I didn't understand Trump's tariffs. Like... I don't understand that at all how that... I mean I'm not like some genius, but I don't understand how adding... These people that think they're going to be good, it's like there's no way that doesn't get passed on to the customer. Right. What do you think they're going start making shit here? Okay.

No one's gonna be making shit. They've been saying that for 40 fucking years. No one's making shit. We keep making less shit here. Yeah, we're fucked. It's still gonna be cheaper to make cars in Mexico or whatever. Right.

So, fuck you, I don't know. And if you have a lot of money, you're not gonna wanna buy a Dodge and you wanna buy an Audi, a Beamer. Right. Who wants a Dodge? Who wants a fucking Dodge? Ew, I'm not driving three kids to to buy a Dodge and you want to buy an Audi. Yeah beamer, right? What's a Dodge? What's a fucking Dodge? You I'm not driving three kids to school in the dodge I'm a Dodge Charger. They're kind of cool. Actually. They are kind of cool. That's sort of like the Porsche of the Midwest Like it's like what if you're a successful real estate agent in Indianapolis

It's like when your mom finally divorces your dad and he she's dating He's dating like a guy who like runs an insurance company. Yeah. Who has like maybe a tribal tat. Yeah or he's like a tattoo artist. He's like a tattoo artist. That's charger. All right, that was fun. We got Anders Beck and Travis Book from Green Sky Bluegrass on the show. What's the other guy from again? Infamous string investors. You can't keep all these bluegrass bands straight. They're coming over and we're gonna be talking about they're going on a sailing trip. Oh that's right they have that strings installed. Yeah. That's that? Yep.

Yeah. Oh no something else. Rhythm on the whatever. Conceptually the similar I think. Yep. You go on a sailboat and you play instruments. I'll leave you with this before we do that. Be honest, talk about shit. Don't let anything fester. This is why I have Nick, this is why I have Bo, this is why I have Sarah, Sam. What are you festering on? Just you know, just like not keeping things inside.

You know, just like even if you have to yell or scream, do it. Yeah, but don't be a girl about it. No, like not like actually yell and scream, but you know what I mean? Just don't fester anything inside because that turns into cancer. Yeah, literally. In that note, speed dial him. Speed dial. Let him know.

Let him know. All right. What's your next show? After New Year's, what's your first thing you have announced? Like January? February, Mission Ballroom, buy tickets. You're off all January? I got the JJ Gray tour. Okay, okay.

It's not my shows. Mission Ballroom? Yeah. That'll sell well. We gotta get through the holidays and then people will throw a bunch. They wanna do a pop-up show, me and you. You, like a podcast?

To promote, yeah, something. Where? Fire Them Out or something. Just to promote the show and we'll do like, me and you. You? Like a podcast? To promote. Yeah, something. Where? Fire them out or something. Just to promote the show and we'll do like, or like you go like, I was thinking we do like go to a paint, everyone paints. You mean that money? I'll be there, you know? I got you. I'm not on the show so I need money. I ain't promoting your shit for free. That's why I'm not in the band, baby. When I'm in the band, I don't get paid for these podcasts.

All right, guys, enjoy the podcast. We'll see you next week for episode 300. Congratulations. Like the show, like the 300 episodes. What should we do? 300. We should do. I don't know. We should do something fun. We're doing best of or should we do a drink? Like, what should we do? I don't know, man.

Should we just talk about ourselves? Now is a good time. But that interview, when we talked to that guy that was tight. We should give give someone 300 bucks as a prize. Okay. I have like a contest. Send me your send me voicemails of why we should give you 300 bucks and we'll give you 300 bucks. Funniest voicemail gets 300 bucks. The funniest request for money gets 300 bucks. And if it's life advice, you have a better chance. If you need advice on something, whoever has the craziest advice they need. Or if you're like, oh someone money for a gets 300. And if it's life advice, you have a better chance. If you need advice on something, whoever has the craziest advice

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and we'll read a bunch of them on the thing and the vote people vote. And the voicemail number is on the description of the podcast. But OK, that's it. And it goes to me. Don't talk to Andy when he say when he calls me. Yeah, talk to Nick. This money goes to Nick's. He's starting a charity event.

Yeah, charity of called the Coltet. It's called. Yeah. All right. But there are days of tears and anger. There are nightsette it's called yes all right bye So I wait here so patient, so cold and so lonely, baby I'm yours to be. Travi, Anders, how we doing today? Great. What's up?

Great. So, you're in Denver. The question is, do you have more fun doing this than your actual bands as a side project? Are side projects more fun to you? That's a trick question. And I wouldn't expect anything less. I'm just trying to get the dirt out right away, boys. If you're in my real band, please turn off your podcast. No, I'm just kidding.

I think the diplomatic answer is that, and the true one is that what makes side projects cool is the fact that it's not your main project. You know, like if we did this, 20 years ago we tried to do this full time as this band, right, it didn't work, so we all did other things. We tried, 20 years ago we tried to do this full time as this band, right? It didn't work, so we all did other things. 20 years ago?

This was before your real bands? Yeah, 2003, 2004. Holy shit. We started this band together. You know, we were all really, it was like our first serious foray into trying to be musicians. You know, trying to do that.

Did you guys all grow up together? No. How'd you guys meet? Travis and I met in Durango, Colorado. We were on the music scene there. Yeah. Wow. And like we were just learning how to play music, honestly.

With Burl, do you know Burl? You know, Benny Galloway is his name. He's an old songwriter guy who's amazing and he was sort of helping us learn how to play music randomly. And Andy Thorne came into, so Robin Davis, the other guy in the band, in Broke Mountain Bluegrass band, Robin, was living in Durango too, so the three of us were there.

Andy Thorne showed up on a ski vacation from North Carolina with... The guy loves fucking skiing, dude. Dude, he loves it so much, he didn't even know it yet, but he showed up on the ski vacation with his buddy Rick and this other buddy Jed. Anders was working at the music store, and Anders was just hanging out at the front

of the music store, and all of a sudden he hears people just absolutely destroying it in the back of the music store, just bluegrass jamming their asses off. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, who are, what are you doing here? Who are you? Who are you? Nobody in Durango plays like that.

Who are you guys? Nobody in Colorado plays like that. Like, North Carolina, the North Carolina, like real bluegrass shit is different. It's so different, dude. And it's like, it's the real thing, and we were playing, we lovingly referred to it as Colorado pussy grass,

because it's like a little light in the loafers, you know, it's just kind of like, it's like a little light in the loafers. It's just kind of like, it's nice. Well it's just not from North Carolina. Yeah, there's a difference. I've been waiting for this fucking thing. There's a difference between people that like go skiing powder every day

and have like sunshiny, beautiful days every day and have like sunshiney, beautiful days every day. You know, Colorado versus like bluegrass comes from like coal mines in North Carolina. Like the difference between cocaine and meth. Could be, yeah. So Honours was like, dude, let's jam. So we, those guys needed, those guys wanted a pick and they also needed people to show them around the ski area.

So, we spent like three days together. We'd ski all day long and then we'd all meet, and then we'd meet up in the evening and drink whiskey and play music till like 2 a.m. And when those guys went back to North Carolina, Honors and I were like, we were like in withdrawal. We were like, well, we can't fucking go back now. We can't go back to what we used to do now.

Like we know too much. We played with Andy Thorne. We know what this music can sound like. We're like, we're screwed. So I remember distinctly being in my kitchen getting on the phone with Thorne and being like, dude you have to come back next summer. Because he's still in college.

He was 20. How old were you guys? He was 20. How old were you guys? Honors was probably 25. 25. 24, I was like 22. Oh my God.

And I was like, dude, you gotta come back. We're gonna start a band. We'll win the Rocky Grass Band Competition. I was like, you'll win the banjo contest. I said, at the very least, you'll win a $6,000 banjo at the end of the summer. I was like, I guaranteed him this over the phone. I didn't know this.

I was just giving him the hard sell. I was like, just come back after you're done with your semester, just come back, and we'll start a band and it'll be awesome. Yeah. And then... It was true. We won the Rocky Grand.

They came back. We toured around Colorado, literally, like the five of us in your Pathfinder. It's like driving like... Camping, like, you know, the classic... Beat up SUVs, hanging on hot springs. That sounds like the dream. We'd go to a festival for like seven days. You show up like on Wednesday night and you wouldn't leave till Monday what's the

difference between the music city music scene then and now well now there's I mean are we talking about the greater music scene or specifically more of kind of like the bluegrass bluegrass is at the time there was like there was like leftover salmon and cheese and yonder and you guys weren't a band yet you're both your bands weren't even in existence. Green Sky wasn't happening yet. The Dusters weren't happening. Leftover was actually even like on hiatus at that point.

Oh, so Mark Van had passed. Yeah. And they were sort of separate. So was Vince around there that time? We had probably around Durango at times, just hanging out. He was more Netherland based. So the music scene, like there wasn't Strings and Soul. probably around Durango at times, just me hanging out. He was more Netherland based. So the music scene, like there wasn't Strings and Soul.

There wasn't a ton of these like bluegrass festivals that have sprung up sort of in the wake of this increased interest in this music that sort of began with Cheese and Salmon and Yonder, but then spawned all of these bands that created this whole scene. There's like all these, you know, Blue Ox and all these used to be like Telluride. That was it. Right. So there's this huge scene now and all these bands are able to come up into the wake of that and there's a place to go. There's a place for like the kitchen dwellers, a context for the kitchen dwellers to play in.

Totally. Context for like Fireside Collective or other bands that are coming up. Yeah, and I think to bring it back around to the Broke Mountain band, the Broke Mountain Bluegrass band, this project we're talking about is like, we were just five dudes, right? We were just, we were fricking kids, man. And like, and now looking back at that time,

now that you think, okay, so now people are, there's people in green, from that band, in Green Sky, in the dusters, in salmon. It's like the all-star band before the band even started. It's like, it was like a farm team, dude. Fucking sick. It's like AAU basketball, like right before you go pro. Yeah, but it was like, the weird thing too,

now with context of hindsight, like we thought we were badass. Right. Well, you, that was mostly because you had us convinced that we were badass. Well yeah, you're. That's like the honors. That's the honors.

It's one of the best things about having honors in your band is he basically won't let you think you're anything less than excellent. You're like Tony Robbins of the bluegrass scene, dude. You're welcome. I mean. It's such a. I told you you're a badass.

Yeah, you caught me up. Yeah, I'm here for you everybody Even just this morning you were really mad at me because I was I was I was doing negative self-talk I got really fed up with me. It's like a stable. So what happened? Why didn't you just keep this band around not join your other bands great question? I? Wish Andy Thorne was here so we could answer that let's call him up. We should call him up and ask him this Thorne a Thorne got Thorne got an offer to play with Larry Keele. Oh, wow.

And then- Really? He was with Keele early on? Yeah, and at the time that let him sort of stay out East because he was still feeling North Carolina based. He still had a girlfriend back there. And Larry was like one of his heroes. So he joined Larry Keele when Larry Keele started Natural Bridge as the name of that band and Thorne was in that. So he basically Larry was like one of his heroes. Well, he joined Larry Kiel when Larry Kiel started natural bridge The name of that band and thorn was in that so he basically quit our band to be in Larry's band Wow, and then one day Travis called me and said oh Well, we were at we were at this I've a little bit back up

We're at this thing IBM a which is like the bluegrass me. Yeah That's I heard that's a bluegrass sir. And um, I'm like no other And so I cracked up when everyone starts getting those nominations. I'm like, here we go. Here comes the gangbang. Yeah Totally. I really yeah, how do we make our how do we make our little world even smaller? Let's pat each other on the back. Here's that I get excited to not get nominated every year Yeah, well so good I'm like, fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit.

Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit.

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Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. At this IBMA thing, there was a bunch of these amazing musicians which turned out to be the dusters before the dusters. And they were in this, it was in this like... Elevator lobby. Elevator lobby and they didn't have a bass player

and they're just shredding the shit out of music. Like these guys are killer. Like the young... They were good then. The young ninjas, right? And they didn't have a bass player. There's Travis, fucking hippie Travis. With his bass, a backpack full of cores.

No shoes. No shoes, walking around this thing. And he's like, shut the fuck up, Travis. Really? I used to be so cool. Why haven't we hung out earlier? This is bullshit. I mean, we're meant to be together.

On behalf of the middle man here, I'm sorry, guys. I feel like this is sort of my fault. But also, maybe trying to keep you guys apart. I don't think. So, do you summon an elevator? I feel like this is sort of my fault, but also maybe trying to keep you guys apart. I think. So he, so he sits, so they're jamming, and they didn't have a bass player, and I was like, you should go play with them, Travis. And he's like, I don't know, they're all, those guys are badass.

I'm like, you should go play with them. They need a bass player. Clearly you have a bass. And so he plants down his, he plants down his 12-packet cores in the middle of the jam circle, starts playing bass, and then like, and it was good.

And they were like, who's this guy? And then so fast forward, Falco, who else? About the time it was Chris Eldridge, he was like on the Punch Brothers now, Chris Pandolfi, he was a band player, Andy Hall was playing Dobro, Jeremy Garrett on fiddle, like the whole, basically the band. And then they couldn't find a bass player in Nashville that would agree to do the gig or meet the terms or was cool enough or whatever and so they kind of started fishing Around and they asked me basically asked me to join the band Yeah, so I told Anders that and you asked me you asked my permission to be very clear

I'd that's true. Were you pissed like bummed out? Uh, he was You get sensitive Your sense of motherfucker dude, let's. I'm going to paint the picture that was like, Travis, you called me and asked permission to move to Nashville and join the band. That's nice. And that's a little bit maybe extreme, but you loved me. I wasn't going to do it without your blessing.

Yeah, my blessing. So then Travis went and did the dusters. Robin and I started playing in a band called the Wayward Sons, which was a great band. Yeah, by blessing. So then Travis went and did the dusters. Robin and I started playing in a band called the Wayward Sons with Burl, this guy I was telling you about. And then eventually we learned that that was not going to be like a full-time road project. Amazingly cool band with like, it was a song band. I had the realization that I wasn't done with music.

Like I wanted something else. I needed another band. So I made like, I honestly made like a little list of bands that were cool, that I thought would be, would make something of themselves. They had killer songs. And I could spend time with. And there's a couple bands. I will not tell you who else was on that list what because I

Don't know Doesn't matter well doesn't matter like ten years ago, right? 15 10. Yeah, but Green Sky was on the list. He's goes on the list and so yeah, I Think they're on the top of the list. You insinuated yourself into that band. Yeah, I sent him an email that said, hey, you know what, you need me. Which is like, but- Were they popping yet?

They were, it was evolved. It was, yeah, they had won the Telluride thing. It was growing. Did you do this because you're secretly in love with Travis and you wanted to try to outplay him because he joined a band? Well, yes. Wow. You really do know how to cut to the heart of the matter,

don't you? This has got really personal. Yeah, let's just... Let's rip the bandaid off. Okay, well, let me just start with this. Travis and I have both talked to our therapists separately about our relationship with each other and music. Just to be very clear.

I bet. It was the beginning of an ongoing and very painful contest or what's the right word for it? Rivalry. Life battle. You guys are competitive, right? Gotta be.

Yes. Friends are competitive. Yes. And we don't want to be because music is not really a place for competition, but we're definitely in a competition. It kind of makes you better though if you're a little competitive. The great thing is we're both winning. I'll clap to that. Let's go. Let's go. But it's like, but really, you know, there's,

in music, you know, music is not a contest, but human nature is another thing. You guys are like best friends? Yeah. Yeah. We said yeah at the same time. Yeah, I know. Did you notice how you said it like, yeah, and I was like.

Oh. Oh. But so like. And I was like. Oh. Oh. Um. But, but so like. We are best friends. That's awesome. Is the say like you are happy about it? No, I mean after such a long relationship, you know,

it's like you kind of just have to admit that you just, admit defeat that this is your person, you know. We can fight all we want. We just definitely, it's, it's, what's, what's, what, what to me is so remarkable is that the five of us 22 years ago kind of thought that we were going to do this thing. And we didn't do it the way we thought we were gonna do it. But we all basically have done it separately and kind of on our own terms. And it has also in effect, it's drawn all these pretty important pieces of this musical corner of the scene together

because salmon and the dusters and green sky are connected not just by our, you know, somewhat similar aesthetic or being part of this sort of modern blue, what? Yeah. But we actually like turn, the young guys are like inspired by what you guys did to the scene. Like you guys changed the scene, I think, all three bands. I mean, it keeps, yeah, it keeps evolving.

You know, it's like, the people before us were responsible for what we're doing. We're responsible for what the next people are doing. It's cool like that, you know. Music is, I think especially acoustic, bluegrass stuff music where it's like, there's this kind of thing where you learn from your elders, let's say.

Yeah. Right? And it's very positive in like, you lift other people up, you know? Whether it's the people you bring out, like opening bands or whatever, you know? We're all on the same team trying to. I had this really heartbreaking realization last year. We were at Blue Ox. Yeah, and I was a cool festival

Oh such a great spot. I was looking at the lineup. I was like, oh my god We are by far the oldest band on the field like it finally happened And there was a moment of being like kind of happy about it and like sort of like okay This is good. We've made this milestone, but there was also like a part of me died Yeah, knowing that we were now like old guys. That's how I feel on the jam scene. Now they call me Uncle Andy. Yeah.

And it's fucking bullshit. It's like all these bands. I'm like I'm 36. Yeah like Billy and his guys are like they call me Uncle Anders. I'm like what the fuck. Yeah, old. No I'm not old.

I still get laid. Yeah. I remember we, Green Sky played the little brother card for so much longer than we were allowed to, like we should have. We're like, oh, we're the younger brothers, you know? It's going well, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And then finally it was like, looked around,

and we're like, this is total bullshit. We're not the kids anymore, you know? What's the difference in your mind state about competitive nature between the three of your bands versus the younger bands? I don't understand the question. So like when you're three bands growing up, it was kind of fun competitive.

What about the younger bands who look up to you? Is it still competitive or do you feel like you're taking the uncle road? I've evolved. Yeah. Oh, so you lost the competitive nature. Yeah, I think so. Do you think that's just getting older?

Yeah, it's just getting older and wiser. What do you think, Travy? Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, I'm the same way. I used to be so competitive, and now with the younger bands, I'm like, I feel awesome being a mentor. Yeah. At first, I was like, I had so much, I don't know.

Like I'm so into like athletes like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, this psychopath fucking competitiveness. And then I got older and now I finally got some success in me, I can finally put my shoulders down and be like, yeah, let's all help each other out and like let's all grow a community, you know? Yeah, and it's become so clear to me recently that it we're just Really fucking lucky to be here

I know in a crazy we make money and to be music to be 25 years into it and to actually have like a career right and and have and have there and be able to look down the road and think that there may be Enough of a career to sustain all the way till the end. And I don't harbor any illusions about being, even what, you know, you get older and what it means to be successful, what it means to be big or bigger or growing or any of these other things. Just, I just, I'm just so grateful that I get to play music.

I have some control over my schedule, and I get to go beautiful places and spend time with good people. As long as I can pay my mortgage, maybe help my kids go to college, I don't know. You got kids? Oh yeah. You have kids?

Yeah, they're nine and 11. Nine and 11? Yeah, I'm no longer married. Oh shit. Damn, you're deep in it. Dude, I got a fucking 401K, man. We like to hear it. But you know, and but the fun thing about being on, the fun thing about this scene too is like, you know, it's great to be able to feel like, you know, I can be like sort of responsible and have this sort of like legitimate middle class

working man mentality. Just like my neighbor who works for the fire department. But my lifestyles, I guess I still get to act like I'm 17 if I want. I still get to live in a world where I'm very insulated from so much of the bullshit that most people have to deal with, you know? So it's kind of like, I just feel so grateful at this point.

That's partly like the competitiveness has gone. Me being concerned about what's happening with the younger generation, like with Billy String's eating my lunch and all that kind of stuff. It's fine because I still have like such an epic life. You know, I'm not rich. I drive old cars. Sometimes it's hard to make mortgage payments, but I know it's going to be fine. And I'm like, here I am with my best friends playing music in Denver and we're going to

Mexico next week and I'm going to do a ski tour in January. And like, life is, life is really nice. Yeah. When we stop, I don't know, I think when we stop overthinking and just live presently and trust that you've lasted this long that you're gonna keep lasting I feel like life becomes way easier. I think there's a there's a difference between legacy and legend. Explain this. Like I don't know I feel like when you're younger you're like like, this is, we're going to be legendary,

like rock and roll, you know, like this thing that we're doing, like this thing you're creating is like, it's hard to explain, but I know what I mean. And then legacy is like, okay, there's going to be this lasting impact from what I'm creating. You know, like, I think about it often with, with when we make records in the studio, like I think about it often with when we make records in the studio, like I think about studio albums are your legacy in a lot of ways. I don't believe that necessarily in 50 or 100 years people are going to be going back and listening to that show from 11, 7, 19 on Nugs or whatever, you I think that it's gonna be people that have never heard of you that find your Albums that you've made on a streaming service of the future and hear it and are like this song

Hits me like that's legacy, right? But but on like a human level I think I mean just like What do you? What are you leaving? I mean, just like, what are you leaving, I mean, it sounds like I'm not dying yet, I don't think, but like what are you leaving behind to the people around you? Like friends or whatever. Well, that's legacy, right? Yeah, that's legacy, as opposed to like legend is like,

let's fucking party. Like I think of Vince Herman. Yeah. You know, legend. Legend. Legend. Legend. And 35 years, you know? Like I think of Vince Herman. You know, legend. Legend. Legend. Legend. And 35 years. You know?

Yeah. Legend. It's crazy. You know, the ups and downs of his career is just unbelievable. He's like, he is my mentor of how to persevere through the low sides. He's been in and out of money, like all of us. You know, it's like, but he's still stuck around, he's still fought it

because what's more important? The music, the concrete details of what you're bringing to the community. Yeah, well and process, like the thing you make. Right. The older, maybe it's aging and seasoning and just perspective, but the process becomes the thing that I'm fixated on, not the result.

Not how well it's perceived. You know, like I've got my own podcast, I put these episodes together. I remember it. And I'm not, I find myself really detached from the numbers, how many people are tuning in, that kind of thing. I'm really fixated, I leave that to other people.

I'm more fixated on the actual process of making it. And even like coming into these broke mountain shows, look, everybody wants to be selling more tickets right now. Everyone wants to be selling more tickets all the time. That is like, I'm much less concerned with that this year than I was last year. I'm much more interested in like, well, what's the music? What, how's the music?

What are we gonna do together? The music, like how can, how, how much can I just like get off on being with my best friends, making music right now. Who fucking cares? 300 people, a thousand people, doesn't really make a big difference. The process is everything. Totally.

And as you get older and older, you guys don't get to see each other as much. So you need to like take for granted the time that you have together. Like this Mexico trip tell me about you this Mexico trip Mexico you guys been doing that forever right you guys both things and so has been going on for a while yeah yeah I think it's the 11th year and it's Mexico's amazing so it's like an all-inclusive yeah thanks for the invite appreciate You always normally put me on like the sail trip to go I can't wait to talk about that that you're going on that little sail trip you both doing that Oh, we should talk about that rhythm and sales. Well, let's get there and get to that. Yeah. Yeah, Mexico is amazing

You know, I was talking to actually, I was talking to Robin and Stickley about this last night that while we're being vulnerable here, that strings and soul is like intense for me because it's the only place where I can be playing on stage and look out in the crowd and see like 20 musicians that are better than me. Oh man. And like, I mean, it's like it is the it is the peak.

Place for my imposter syndrome. I've really. Yeah. Oh, it's like. So how do you enjoy it? Traditionally, drugs, alcohol. Yeah. Now you're sober. How do you enjoy more? Yeah. But like. But like the idea that,

and honestly, the idea of looking out and seeing Travis or Andy, like guys that know me too well, or I've played music with for so long, or whatever, just like playing music to my peers is nerve wracking for me for some reason. And again, imposter syndrome is the right word, right? I think we all have it. But the festival is badass.

It's like a stage on the beach, all inclusive resort, it's so cool. And the fans are all, we're all just hanging out. It's pretty special. Imposter syndrome's so wild to me because we are pros in our thing, but we still have that thing when we see our homies who are just fucking shred.

Like, Jam Cruise intimidates the fuck out of me. Like, I'm like, the fuck am I gonna do? Conduct these guys who are Berkeley grads? Like, what the fuck am I gonna do? And like, yeah, probably similar feeling when it's like, oh, but I'm a personality. It's like, I'm an entertainer. Yeah, I often try and remind people

of the line of artist versus entertainer. I'm comfortable being an entertainer. I'm glad you're an artist, and I hope that goes well for you, but I'm an entertainer. Yeah, same. Exactly. Yeah, it's like, there's like this stigma

between entertainer and artist, like oh, we're not artists, but like Fuck yeah, we are we do this every day. I write songs every goddamn day I make people happy for a living that's entertainment and I've never painted a fucking picture. So I'm not artist Personally, yeah, I think you're You're a Travis. What are you? What are you? You're artists or an entertainer. I definitely I'm definitely those some both those things. Yeah but that but that

Yeah, that one. I'm podcasting now that Which one are you an artist or entertainer? Yeah, I one of the others. I think I probably I think I probably put the entertainment That probably is would be higher yeah challenge me on on it. Because my role and my strength is in performance and in trying to help cultivate a space where people can be comfortable and they can surrender into their sort of better impulse and surrender into feeling sort of better impulses. Right. And surrender into feeling more deeply connected to the world around them and lose and to drop all that stuff that we're carrying.

So what do you think it is? Do you think how do you get to that point being present and not thinking about who you were in the past versus who you want to be in the future and just kind of just being in the moment and kind of dropping your shoulders. How do you get to that point? Yes? I think I think also, you know, I find when I'm able when I'm able to When I'm able to just be myself and to be vulnerable, right? It really helps open a door Yeah, everybody else in the room the people I'm playing with You know and that'll and that'll start by just like simple things like making mistakes and then how that'll like diffuse the energy in the room or saying some things that indicate to people that like, show people that like, you know, this

stuff, none of this really matters, but it's also kind of like the most amazing and important thing going for us right now. Like this is it, presence, like this is the most important thing in the world, but it also has like no meaning. We're all just, it's all just blank. There's a duality there. We're all just here and we're all just kind of fucking around, and how fun and weird is this?

And that it's, but you know, but the whole thing, it's all, I mean, I just love, I love being a musician. And I love the every part of it. I love the travel. I love collaborating. I love that we're creating things that didn't exist before. I love that every time we go on stage, it's different. I love that it exists in the context of individuals experiencing it, a group experience.

I love that it's infinite, that there's endless possibility. I love that there's so many other people out there doing it. Like I'm reading this book about Bill Frisell right now, who is a Denver guy, you know, grew up here, and just, the book is just like ripping my mind open and changing how I play. I love that something like that can affect my entire world around this thing that I do.

It's just, even like figuring out tour logistics. Love that shit. That's my shit, dude. I love it. I get rock hard talking about budgets and tour logistics. I mean, it- I'm glad guys like you exist it really does it for me And so you know that I could just go on and on about how how cool it is Good be doing all this go back into the vulnerability thing it how hard is it to be vulnerable with people you work with?

And being honest with how you feel It really depends on how comfortable those people are with themselves. And with their own vulnerability. And how okay they are with their own shortcomings. Because I know when I am uptight and feeling like less than enough, it's really hard for me to leave that space for other people. Right? So when a band is really, really clicking in the creative process is when everyone's feeling okay about who they are, accepting their limitations, bringing what

they have to the table, then that creates a space where other people can be themselves, be vulnerable, be honest. And it's a big balancing act. That's why some bands, every band's got a different dynamic. Some bands have a leader. And some bands are like five equal parts. And that can be really challenging. But what it demands is that everybody come to terms with their own, their own shortcomings.

Yeah. And I think about that with you, Anders, when you had to go to rehab, you know, and the band putting you all together in a room and say, this is what's going down. I wonder how hard it was for the first couple months until they finally actually had the conversation with you. Yeah. You know, with, with the vulnerability thing,

it's interesting because it's more just about, you know, we're not talking about bands anymore, we're talking about humans, right? Exactly. And that's great. You know, I think it's important to remember that, maybe for people that aren't in bands, like we all are, but like, any single day on tour,

I could ruin anybody in the rooms a whole day with one sentence. That's how well I know these guys. You know, which is like, which is a terrible thing. I don't do it, to be very clear. But like, sometimes you do. Well, I'm sure I have, but like, which is a terrible thing. I don't do it to be very clear. But like sometimes you do well I'm sure I have but like you know, that's that's how close we all are. Yeah, you're saying with my band I'm to her right. It's like my band. They're so we are so intricately

interlinked that like I mean it's like living in a submarine with your family that you didn't choose for 300 days a year. Like it's wild existence. Right? And we're, and we're, and we're sensitive. Right. Because that's like for the, and for the music to be living and growing and thriving and, and have any, any amount of like spontaneity demands that people be sensitive to the world going around them.

You got to listen, you got to feel, you know, the information you need is coming at you every moment, even during the day. Being together, you're picking up on all this stuff that's going to inform the music, you know. So when you're hanging out with a bunch of sensitive people, it's a balancing act. Oh yeah. I mean, and especially music is so sensitive. You're going to have sense, like we all are sensitive motherfuckers, dude.

I mean, we can hold a fucking shield, we can hold this fucking toughness in us, but music is so vulnerable that you kind of have to be a little sensitive. Yeah, I mean, that's why I think we all write good songs. But like, it's interesting to think about, like, yeah, yes, we can jokingly call ourselves entertainers. We're artists, buddy. Yeah, damn it.

I'll clap to that, let's go. What about fans? We're good. You know, but like, you're, we're, I read something recently that says like, you're consuming so much content, consuming so much everything all day that like as an artist it's your responsibility to put something back out there.

I thought it was interesting. You know, because like, I don't know, like. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And yeah. It's crazy. Oh yeah. I get off on that concept.

The concept of sort of like almost like being in service. It really helps orient myself when I don't know exactly what I'm doing or if I'm doubting what I'm doing musically. Just to remember that like this is all that when I'm at my best, I'm sort of functioning as a conduit and filling a role that we need. Right. Like the world needs people to bring music into form. And so I'm just doing that. And it makes the whole thing like a lot less personal. Like yeah I made up this song and it's kind of hokey and maybe people like it or not. It doesn't really matter. It's not even really my song. I'm not even real. I'm just like filling this role of helping

bring this shit into form that like we need to make the world go around. So I'm sort of like in service of this thing that's much larger than myself and it makes it a lot easier to not worry about it and just be like, oh yeah, I'm just here in service. And like, you know, yeah, I was okay tonight. I could have been better or like, yeah, you know, that song's fine, but like, whatever, you know,

I'm just doing the best I can to be in service of whatever is needed, you know? service of whatever is needed, you know? This morning we were talking when we got out of bed together. Denver's gonna Denver, bro. Yeah. That back rub was really nice. Yeah, yeah. And we were talking, I forget, we were going on something,

and you kept saying I don't care. You're like, I just don't care. But it wasn't, it's not what you meant. You didn't mean I don't care. You meant it doesn't matter. Right? Okay? Which is a huge difference.

Yeah, do these shows stress you out because you guys only do them once a year? No. Well, we were talking about last year, I was extremely stressed out. Yeah. But this year, I'm not at all. I love it. I'm not at all, I feel totally different this year.

It's really fun just playing music with the homies. It's kind of ridiculously autopilot in a weird way. I learned these songs with these guys. We made an album and released that 20 years ago or whatever. These songs that we're playing, it's almost like this band is a tribute to our former band. We're literally a tribute band to ourselves. I love it. And we play all the songs from back then.

It's not new material for the most part. And we played this festival, Rooster Walk, in Virginia this year earlier. And we had a festival, Rooster Walk, in Virginia this year earlier, and we had like a two hour set, and we rehearsed for a half hour. What, broke-mounted? Yeah, we rehearsed for a half hour, for a two hour set,

and played everything really, really well. And what I realized at that time was like, I know these songs in my bones, because it's my formative years of learning how to play dobro. Literally was this music. Like I learned on this material. Like, and maybe I just never learned anything since,

but like, literally I'm like. Arrested development is what that's called. I think about that too, in that form, but not in music, but in basketball, like the post shot. I know that in that form, but not in music, but in basketball. Like the post shot. I know that in my bones. How to get comfortable with a post shot. All the other stuff I learned, I'm still,

I get frantic about. It's like, it's crazy how core memories of learning, they stick with you forever. And then the other stuff that's like actually, like woodchipping and like actually, where you're getting really good kind of forget about you know Yeah, fucking crazy. Yeah, like I take I take dobro lessons still like I started again recently. Yeah With who this guy Mike Witcher? Oh cool. He's

Amazing you guys are you Nashville too? I was for like six years. I live in Brevard, North Carolina, south of must of Asheville. Oh man. You get fucked up? We were fine. We're kind of at the headwaters, the French Broad that flooded. And our town's built on a hillside. And also where we are, we get more rain than Seattle. As much rain as anywhere else in the country. So our ecosystem could handle it. It was really downstream where the rivers were coming up that it tended to be a lot worse.

It was really, really traumatic out there. But we were fine up in Brevard. You know, it's interesting you talking about like, I will say on the other hand, like last night, we were teaching each other new songs. Like brand new songs. Like I wrote this song and I wanted this band to do it and I was showing it to the band

and like how quickly everyone picked it up. And it's like, everyone knew exactly what to do. And I knew when I made this song and I wanted this band to do it and I was showing it to the band and like how quickly Everyone picked it up and it's like everyone knew exactly what to do and I knew when I made the song up It was gonna be a broke mountain song and we played it and I like I woke up this morning It was the first thing I said to my girlfriend I was like, I'm so psyched that I brought that song in the band like they knew exactly what to do right away Part of that is that you know, it's bluegrass and so there's sort of systems in place But it was just so reassuring to be like okay well now now we can make a writ we can make new music and

It might be just as easy as it was For us, you know to play the old stuff and especially now, you know We used to make up music together when we didn't know any better. Well, we've all been at we've all got 20 years of experience Being in bands, touring, doing all this stuff to come back to this new project, but with all that experience is like, it's like not even fair. You know, it's like all the new band vibes

without any of the new band issues. Right. Yeah, we jokingly talk about it. Like, if we started this now, it would be like a super group. But we didn't, we started it back then. It's like a reverse. And just to be clear, everyone listening, watching, I use the term super group loosely, okay?

I don't think we're that great. We're talking about this, this sale trip you guys are doing. Oh, Rhythm and Sales. Rhythm and Sales. Yeah, yeah. This sounds amazing, I tried to get guys are doing. Rhythm and sails. Rhythm and sails. Yeah, yeah. This sounds amazing, I tried to get on this year, I fucked the pooch. But, is that even a saying?

Fuck the pooch. It's, it's, you know, what is, well it's screw. Oh, screw the pooch. So he screwed the pooch. Oh, screwed the pooch. But the sentiment is the same, really. It's like between dusters and broke mountains. Well, you're made for this.

You're made for this. You're made for this trip. I have to do it. You're made for Rhythm and Sales. All right. So tell me, give everyone who are confused on what this trip is, give them like a diagnosis of why they should fucking go on this trip. Anders, you and your friends made this thing up.

Yeah. You should tell us. Okay. about it. Well, I mean, it's a sailing trip. We're on 50 foot yachts in the Greninja Islands. We've got seven or eight boats and we play music. And it's like, I'm the music director, which I think is amazing.

And one of the reasons I'm involved is because I went on this trip previously When it was just a bunch of buddies doing this thing they are rich people No, they're just like homies you like yeah I save money and do some save money and get together and do some do cool trips every dream dude Yeah, and it's nice and like how long this trip. It's a Seven eight days six seven days You sail sail a couple hours a day

Seven, eight days? Six, seven days. You sail a couple hours a day in your moored in these just epic places. Do you like connect each other's boats? No, you're just right. It's like you're just 20 feet away. No, close enough that you can. You jump in the ocean and swim to the other boat.

So where do you like play? You play music on each boat? We play music on the beaches, and these are beaches you can only get to, but there's no airports on some of these islands. So you can only get there by boat. We play pretty much acoustically on the beaches and these are beaches you can only get to but there's no airports on some of these islands. So you can only get there by boat. We play pretty much acoustically on the beaches. This year it's me and Travis and Jay from Fruition,

Megan, Letts, you know. Holly's there, Torin, Mark Morris. It's like, yeah, and you were supposed to be there but you did that thing with that pooch. Yeah, Goose, yeah, Goose, but I know I did that thing with that pooch. Yeah goose I wish I could like it's you know, I'm This rhythm and sales thing is cuz like I mean I didn't need another thing to do like I'm kind of busy right and In a great way, but like I went on this trip, but I didn't need another thing to do. Like, I'm kind of busy, right? And in a great way. But like, I went on this trip

and I didn't ever want to not do it again. It's like the coolest thing I've ever done in my life. And like, these guys, whether my partner is Ashley and Damien, they want to share this vibe with as many people as they can. And they're like really, really into that. And it's, I mean, it's literally a life-changing, everyone that comes on this trip And they're like really, really into that. I mean it's literally a life change. Everyone that comes on this trip, they're like,

we advertise it as a life changing trip. Which is epic, I get it. But then everyone that comes on this trip, they come back and they're like, that was life changing. Which is, you know, it's weird. It sounds like I'm advertising it, but it really, it's almost hard to talk about Rhythm and Sales because it's so fucking epic.

You know, and it's like, so, you know, like. Where do you start, like Key West? St. Vincent, which is in the frenzy down there, and we get on these boats, private chefs, and like it's expensive, it's expensive, you know, it's not for everyone, but it's expensive because living on the newest sailboat, catamaran yacht, sailboats,

with your crew and your chef, which are all our homies, bad asses. How many people could go? I think we could do about 30 some people. So intimate. But small. So intimate. And you're literally like, you know.

Well, and like, Ander says, every, like, you go down there and you leave with like 30 new best friends. Right. And it's, it's. And I didn't want 30 new best friends. But I got them. Because of these trips. It's like, you know, if this kind of thing, what I would say is like, if this kind of

thing is on your bucket list, you know, you can, you can go jump on a boat with some random people and float around and maybe make some new, like, but these are like like-minded people, you know? These are our people and there's a lot of us together. If you're listening, like, come get on the boat because when you come back to reality, or go do something else, like if you don't want to get on the boat, that's fine, but like, if you're hearing this, put that trip on the calendar. Do that thing that is going to allow you to disassemble your preconceptions

and then rebuild with the most important. Nothing can do it like getting out of your rut, man. You got to get out there and expand your rut. And like, you know, comfort. We're so comfortable doing the same thing, going to the same festivals, going to the same thing. It's good to fucking throw a curve ball in there. Yeah, well that's, a bunch of people that have come on

this, that have come on our trip on Rhythm and Sales, they're like, they said like, okay, what can I do, what's the new, what's different, like festival-wise? And we're not a festival, we're a trip, right? But it's like, you know, they're like, I feel like as we're all getting older too, like camping in a dusty field is not necessarily. The vibe.

It's not what we're doing anymore. That's why they're all dying. That's why all the festivals are dying. Yeah, I don't know. But like, so, whether we stumbled into it or not, like this little like boutique trip that we're doing. We're also old as fuck. Like you know, probably EDM people are like,

let's go to the dusty festival. Great, and they totally should. Yeah. That was a huge part of. I that we're doing. We're also old as fuck. Like you know, probably EDM people are like, let's go to the Dusty Festival. Great, and they totally should. Yeah. That was a huge part of- I guess we are old. That was a huge part of my- We want caviar and sailboats now. My girlfriend, Cory, the other day, she's like,

she's like, are we, she looked at me very earnestly, she's like, are we done camping at festivals? Like have I camped at my last festival? And I was like, no way, baby. We got this. We got this. We're gonna get ourselves a two-man tent. We're gonna set it up in the middle of the field,

in the middle of the sun. We're gonna stay up all night. The tent heat's gonna kill us at 8 a.m. We got this, baby. It's gonna be, we're gonna have festival face for months. We got this. But it's true, like, you know, you get a little older and you're like, maybe there is more to life than like,

you know, you know. Maybe I'll go to Mexico and have a hotel. Yeah, with air conditioning. A hot shower, an AC. Are those not two of the best inventions of the last century? Yeah, but we did. Life experience.

We put in our work at festivals. Oh, we all did, brother. That's a lot of sunrises, man. Yeah, I see, yeah, yeah, brother. Welcome home. Welcome home, brother. Yeah, we've yeah. Welcome home. Welcome home, brother. Yeah, we've been through the wringer. Yeah, well I'm stoked and I can't wait to see Broke Mound.

When this records, they've already played, so it's gonna be killer. Yeah. Do you guys do Broke Mound anywhere else besides Denver? We're doing it as Strings and Soul in Mexico. This is probably the week after this airs. Cool. Hello, future me, are you listening?

Hello. Who thought he'd be sober future me? Yeah, yeah. Hopefully you still are. Yeah. I have a feeling you are. You're so much happier now. I really feel like honors you're glowing now.

I'm doing good. He's so beautiful. You are, you're hotter. You look hotter. Oh, there's no doubt about it. You get ass. What are you doing? I do look better You get some ass you getting some bluegrass. I mean look just I'm look at me. I'm doing And microphones how do you answer this question? Well, you I think you did great. And microphones, how do you answer this question? Well, you're in jam grass mecca over here,

so I think you're gonna be just fine out here. But I'm also, yeah, I'm happy, you know? And like, yeah, I'm good. Good. Which feels awesome. And you could genuinely say that, and not just like force yourself to say that? Yeah, totally.

I'm, yeah, I was forcing myself for a while. Yeah. You know, like, it's better this way, or whatever, you know,? Yeah, totally. Yeah, I was forcing myself for a while. You know? Like, it's better this way or whatever, you know? But like, yeah. But that's just new. Like, it's the same thing as like getting out of your rut and knowing that there's a different side of life than just the same routine.

Where can they find information about Rhythm and Sales? Rhythm and Sales, you go to the website, rhythmandsales.com. There's a button that says inquire now. Because we, we like, so you inquire now is all you have to do. And then we'll, you know, not just. They'll call you. They'll call you.

But it's on, you don't do it. You don't call them, they call you. It's kind of true, because honestly, we want to make sure that you're a good fit for this trip. It's not just like, hey, anybody can go. Not anybody, you know, we want to make. It's got to be a hang. You got to like kind of, because you're on a fucking small vessel

Yeah, and so yeah, it has to be we like Travis was talking about like-minded people We make sure it's like-minded people that everyone's cool good and everyone knows they're getting into I mean the sailing is real shit I'm yeah, you know safety is you've got it. You got to be cool And not not just like a good hang like You gotta be, you know, professionals only. Because it is serious business. Yeah, and I'd rather not take your money if you're not gonna be a good hang, you know? It's like I'd rather have a smaller group

that's a core fucking cool group than just like bringing any wook in the fucking. Yeah, and so you press the inquire button and then me and Ashley give you a call. I mean, this really is what happens. I'm like, hey, what's up? Why do you, like, let's talk about this trip, you know? And we figure out how to make it work, you know?

And there's like payment plans and everything. It's expensive as hell, but that's the sailing is. Yeah. And so if you don't wanna go and you just wanna hear Anders on the telephone, just go get an inquiry. Fake inquiry? Yeah, fake inquiry.

I'll call you. She's like, I'm pregnant! You piece of shit! get an inquiry. I'll call you. Actually, Travis is gonna call you. There's a lot of Travis Snickers out there. We got to weed them out. I bet you got good looking dudes. I bet there's, I mean you play sensitive music. I mean the bluegrass scene is kind of crazy. He writes really beautiful songs. He's a very sensitive guy. Yeah, I mean, you know, the women over 60. It's kind of my target. Cougs, the next record from Broke Mound, Cougs and More. Coming out. Up on Cougar Mountain. Up on Cougar Mountain.

Up on Cougar Mountain. We're going to write that on the way back to the house. The side band of the side band, Cougar Mountain. Up on Cougar Mountain. Up on Cougar Mountain. We're gonna write that on the way back to the house. The side band of the side band, Cougar Mountain. Yeah. Well boys, go do your thing. Thanks, buddy. I can't wait to hang with you guys all weekend.

It's gonna be nice. Yeah, it's gonna be great. We're gonna get to know each other. It's happening already. You drink beers or anything? Oh yeah. Okay, cool. I'm coming with, I'm coming after you.

I feel like, I feel like I'm just gonna, I'm gonna leave. I still do stuff. I might. I do too. I still stuff. My two dear friends are gonna make it. Close your eyes, honors. It's going down. Yeah. All right, guys. What can I say? Go out there, go to see Rhythm of Sales, go to the Mexico trip, go watch their bands, Infamous String Dusters, Green Sky Bluegrass, great fucking bands, and they take music seriously.

And if you want to hear the other side of them, go to Broke Mountain whenever they're in the town, okay? You want both sides of the phone. Well put, well put. I love you, I love you, Fresco. I love you too, thanks for being here. I know 11 o'clock, I know this is like kind of like a vacation for you, you have to work,

but I really appreciate your friendships and you're a new friend and you've always been there for me, always, and I love you, bro. One last question I'll let you guys go when it's all said and done what do you want to be remembered by both of you boys? Together and individually? Great question. You edit out the silence while we think? Nope, I'm keeping that shit. I'm gonna actually make it longer. Yeah, I've been trying to make it longer. It's funny because I ask people the same shit on my podcast. I'm like, what would you like your legacy to be?

And I'd never have to answer this question. I hadn't even thought about it. You don't get to use someone else's answer to be clear. You don't get to go through the database of what someone else smart said you have to have your own answer. I Just I don't I hope that I don't care if people thought I was good But I hope that they thought I was like Sexy Fucking love it. Wow, that's your answer? I fucking love it. Wow.

That's honest. Yeah, nice. What was the question? What do you want to be remembered by? Okay. What was the question? Psychopath. I want to be...

See kids, even when you get sober, you still have bad memory. Oh yeah. This damage don't get reversed baby. You can't buy those brain cells back. You can't buy it back. You can't. I think that I would like to be remembered, I'm just going to shoot from the hip here, I think I'd like to be remembered as like, I think I'd just like to be remembered, maybe, period.

Which is like, maybe it's a cop-out answer, but like I said, with making music, with on the music side, I wanna make songs, and I wanna make people feel, I wanna have made, I wanna currently make things that make people feel. I don't care if you laugh, if you cry, if you come, I don't give a, I want to currently make things that make people feel. I don't care if you laugh, if you cry, if you come. I don't give a s— Right.

I want emotions. I want to make people feel. And hopefully that the music that I've made and continue to make will make people feel whatever they feel is up to them. Right? Disgust. And then, but like personally, man, I just want to be, I want to be, I think it think be great to remember this is like

Sexier than Travis Well the competition still goes people all this humble bullshit they've been talking for an hour ten minutes It's going to fucking bullshit. I'll race you home, motherfucker. It's going, it's a race. Thanks for being on the show, boys. We'll see you at Cervantes tonight. Peace. Love you. Please help us save the world by subscribing and rating the show on volume.com, Apple, Spotify, or wherever you're listening so we can spread the word and save the world.

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