Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 300: Jakob Nowell (Sublime)

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

There are no butts left upon these podcast boys, neh... these podcast, MEN. Butt-less as they may be, after 300 PITCH PERFECT EPISODES, these guys are sitting pretty: both as fully-actualized adults and as increasingly recognizable media personalities. Congrats and happy 300th episode, you self-indulgent maniacs. And what better way to celebrate this momentous occasion than to have the new lead singer of Sublime (and son of Bradley) join us on the Interview Hour: Jakob Nowell! Listen in to find out what it takes to grasp the mic in a legendary band... And don't forget to call and leave us a voicemail that'll stop us dead in our tracks; leaving us no choice but to chuck a lump sum of cash at ya. Inquire within. We're psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us if you think that YOU deserve to get a 300th episode prize: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Nick Gerlach, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Mara Davis

And we're live. 300th. Our 300th episode of the year. I was going to make a joke about that movie 300, but I've never seen that movie. So I don't know how to. What did you say? That movie 300. We are alcoholics!

I've never seen that movie, so I can't, I don't have any reference points. Maybe I should, is it good? It's good. I think Gladiator's better. Ooh, the first Gladiator? Yeah. Very Catholic movie, huh? I thought Gladiator 2 wasn't that bad, too.

Um, I haven't seen it yet. I just didn't, we talked about this hair, but I didn't like Denzel's approach. It's not... It's going around right now. It's kind of the prevailing sentiment I think about his, but he's still a great actor. This isn't a cop video, you know? Maybe it is though, kinda. Hold on, my phone is... My ears got caught. My phone is ringing. Um, dude, 300th episode. Congratulations. What was the worst one, do you think? The worst one? Probably before I joined, I think.

That was the early times. There's a couple of them in the early years where we were pulling teeth. And I also was a worse interviewer. Yeah. Where like, you know, I'd over-speak and stuff. I've learned a lot of how to talk and stuff. What's the most embarrassing thing you said

in the 300 episodes? What's the most embarrassing thing you said in the 300 episodes? 300? What's the most embarrassing? Probably that I had like an STD or something. You said that like 37 times. Hold on, hold on. Don't you have the things like the most I've said? Oh yeah, I should look, yeah I should get on that and like make a little, I should make a Google Sheet. How many times you said STD? How many times I said STD or come? Oh yeah, yeah. I do have a Google sheet. How many times you said STD? How many times I said STD or come?

Oh yeah, I do have access to that. Actually, I might like make a chart of it. We should do that for the awards ceremony. Yeah, I'm going to include that. I'll do a little portion for us for our 302. The awards ceremony is next week. Right. Everybody's favorite episode. But yeah, I think I'm going to tag on a little of our stuff. Because I didn't tour with you that much this year, so I don't a lot of Andy Fresco content. It's a big accomplishment I think 300

episodes. It is. Because like you know we were consistent every week when we were strung out when I was on tour when you were gone doing trivia we still stayed we still stayed the course. Most people give up. Yeah most people give up on things. Yeah not me not us We have nothing better to do. We have nothing better to do than just talk on a podcast, baby. We do have a sick guest for 300. Yeah. And we have Sublime's Bradley's son, Jacob. Yeah.

Who is now the lead singer and guitar player of his sublime. Sublime. So everybody says sublime but he kept saying it sublime sublime maybe so maybe that's what's correct he shouldn't he would know yeah it's his lineage man this was such a great and I thought this was one of the best interviews I think it might be interview of the year I was might be the interview interview was fine next week in the years we'll find out in the next award show you got a little interview of the year I got some

funny ones I fast food restaurant of the year don I got some funny ones. I have Fast Food Restaurant of the Year. Don't tell me. I don't want to know. Well, I'm not going to tell you who wins. But don't tell me. I want to be completely surprised. I love... Yeah, it's fun.

My favorite episode is the awards ceremony. I might need your help for your venue of the year and your Andy Frasco Marker of the Year, because I didn't tour with you this year enough, so... Ooh, what about the Nick Gerlach sit-in of the year? Yeah, I'm working on that. Yeah, I'm going to go through your Instagram and just see who all sat in with you.

But I have all the awards laid out.'s got to get some of the you know Just some of the nominees that's where the jokes are so yeah, well, I can't wait for that, but people love that episode Yeah, yeah brought to you by volume.com. Yeah volume.com the best. What a segue God segue Volume calm. Thank you for getting us to 300 episodes. There was times, there was tribulations where we thought we were going to quit the podcast. We were tired. We were bored. I was bored.

I remember having Yeti and then Yeti just turned into a weirdo dude. Yeah. Yeah. You guys didn't get along. Okay. We'll finish the volume thing. We'll get back to Yeti. And then I had to do things by myself for the COVID years. And then a golden

angel descended. And then a golden angel. Descended on the podcast. Hey, I'll come by for ten minutes, see how this works. Lightning in a bottle. What is it, four years now? I don't know, actually. It was like episode 110. Look at us. Around there. I think my first episode was the Tony Hawk one. Now volume is making it so we could do this for a living. We're getting big time guests. Big time guests. Like got a nice studio here. We got a nice studio.

We got Ben Holtz. Shout out Ben Holtz. Shout out to Ben Holtz. I love that guy. Greg. Marty. Constantine. Marty.

The other guy. Merlino. We love them. And they're about to, they're about to like pimp out our podcast And I think we got our contract renewed baby, let's go Let's go and Tribute podcast coming in hot next year. I got it. Oh, yeah We got a lot of we had a lot of figure out how I'm gonna shoot it Charles Constantine or Constantine Merlino. Yeah, Brian McRae

He's gonna probably help you, because I told him to add a couple more cameras for your room, just in case. I'm gonna have a room here? You're gonna have a room in your room, and we're gonna make it not look like a fucking weird dungeon when it's like. I don't really have room for that though in my apartment.

We'll figure it out. Whenever you record from your house, it looks like. Well I got a ring light. The night before Scrooge is about to steal Christmas. I have a darker place, but. You're like, hello everybody. I got a ring light the night before Scrooge is about to steal. I have a darker place But hello everybody. I got a ring light. I was gonna go to the studio and maybe record it. It's very very cheap Yeah, they don't have room to set up stuff in my apartment. I have a small place Well, I gotta do is like make it look pretty just behind you I can take it down and it's gonna be something I can take down and put yes or does it's gonna just always be there

I can't do that. I don't have room for that. Oh. We'll figure it out. Anyway, thank you volume.com. Well it's not their fault. Thank you volume.com. But I'm gonna be moving soon. Letting all our dreams come true. Um, alright. I mean I didn't really talk about volume.com, but you know I knew you hear it every week. Yeah, dude. Just get on there. Just get on there. Go check it out. It's free. There's tons of stuff. All your bands are on there that you like., I need to before we talk about Jacob Nolan sublime sublime sublime guys I need you to buy fucking tickets to the st. Louis show. This is getting scary now My New Year's Eve show sold out shut the fuck up. No, it isn't. Yeah, it is what Dom free show. Yeah Okay, New Year's Eve is so I'll clap around for some supporting fan. I just kidding

I mean it is sold out by the second Missouri you need to step the fuck up. Yeah, I'm about to be up your ass Yeah, Peoria drive down from Peoria Peoria everyone in the region you want to go watch the Grateful Dead cover band in your city Do you want to watch frasco rock out the fucking pageant with the boys? Hmm? Don't ask him that okay? pageant with the boys. Don't ask him that. Okay, actually don't. Yeah, don't ask that. Don't ask that. That was the wrong question.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't ask that. You don't, you might get the wrong Yelp review. I just don't, man, to be honest, fuck New Year's Eve. I kind of get what you're saying. Like, why do we got to make a big event after New Year's Eve? It's kind of amateur hour. It's too much, kind of.

I mean, like, our show's already fucking balls the wall. Now I got to have pressure to like fucking make it even more balls pressure and it's like no one really pays attention. They're all Gonna get laid. But anyway come to our New Year's Eve. I think it'll pick up you just got Christmas and I'm about to be up your ass, Missouri. I'm gonna be in every goddamn ad. There's a lot of market then even Indianapolis It's only a four hour drive. And you gain an hour. True. So buy tickets to the pageant.

On good news, we sold like 500 tickets last week, more tickets last week to our Mission Ballroom show in Denver. Thank you guys. Oh, that's good. I think that's what's up. The promoting worked. That's going to sell out. I think it's going to sell out. I mean, as long as it gets to like 3,000, I'm cool with it.

I think it'll sell out. Why don't you shoot for a sell out and then you'll get... I would shoot for a sell out, but I don't want to be pissed if it doesn't sell out. You don't have reasonable expectations. Oh yeah, I'm more... This is the year of reasonable expectations. It's hard to sell that place out, man.

There's a couple big DJs that didn't sell it out this weekend. I know. I just saw Kitchen Dwellers' Taron. I did too, I was with you. Yeah, they sold it out this weekend. I know. I just saw Kitchen Dwellers, Taron. I did too, I was with you. Yeah, they sold it out. Yeah, hell yeah. I like that guy, I just kind of met him. Yeah.

I really like that guy, Silas. Oh, Silas Herman is the fucking best. Yeah, Herman, it's Vince's Herman's kid. It's Herman's kid. I just don't associate them. He's such a sweet dude. And he's such an amazing musician. Yeah, I didn't know he was that good.

He's unbelievable. Very humble. Oh yeah, I thought he was And he's such an amazing musician. Yeah, I didn't know he was that good. He's unbelievable. Very humble. Oh yeah, I thought he was the best musician. He's the best musician out there. In what? I thought he was the best musician on the stage. Yeah, maybe second best, I don't know.

Shut the fuck up. I'll never say a bluegrass musician's better than me, you know? Oh, I know you will. Why'd you deal with the, you don't like the bluegrass. It's me, you know, I know you Why does it deal with the you don't like the blue? It's just more of like it's like it's like a joke that kind of became a bit that's became real We know I like I one thing I realized about the bluegrass scene is Devastatingly attractive women in that scene. I might have my answer

I'm going how many beautiful women there are in the bluegrass scene. It's weird It's like a fish shows like that too where the women are very beautiful and the men look like they live on Reddit. Like their home address is in Reddit. Like they get email, like their hard mail goes there. I was like, I was in the crowd and I was like, I didn't care. Like we were backstage. There's I'm like, I don't know anyone. I didn't either. It was kind of nice. Yeah. It was kind of nice meeting people.

Oh, it was awesome. I was on my phone watching Twitter. I didn't have to like entertain anyone. Yeah. It was like nice. Like people that didn't know. I was kind of nice. Yeah, it was kind of nice meeting people. Oh, it's awesome I was on my phone watching Twitter. I didn't have to like entertain any yeah I was like nice like people that didn't know I was kind of like they don't know I was they don't have this like Oh, Nick's weird and funny vibe, so I don't have to like do my shit. Yeah I was laying down the whole time. Yeah Yeah, I didn't have to like do my fucking routine with people. Yeah Yeah, I fucking hate how's it go dude. Yeah, it's like go, you. Yeah, I fucking hate that. How's it go, dude? They're just like, hey, who are you? I'm like, oh my god, yes. Yeah, I don't.

I'm nobody, I don't exist. I don't like turning on if I don't have to turn on. Yeah, for sure, and people like have this, you know, I got this thing and just, we're being weird online, you know? Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I've been turned on 98% of the time. Also, when you play a horn, people just make stupid saxophone jokes all the time.

Well, especially in the bluegrass scene. God. I was so thankful. I'm like, you need to get here right now. I know. I was like, okay, cool. And then they're like, okay, you're playing at 1045. And we didn't talk the whole fucking night.

We've talked a little. More than we did on Friday at my show. My favorite part was when we were just sitting on the couch and we didn't talk. We were just looking at our phones. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's a good fucking awesome. It's like my dream, dude. I love looking at my phone. Remember that one time when you went to the bathroom and I was like sitting in that room

By myself looking on my phone. Yeah, the side room you lost it. I lost it by yourself. Your legs were crossed Yeah, you're just like what the ring your foot you look so content. I didn't want to bother you. I Get pretty content man. I'm pretty content content and content. But yeah, I think we were there was there I like she was actually really nice cool pants She wore great pants It was nice to see her owner Jillian air She was a good girl. She's a sweet. I always think about her during the holidays. I don't know why cuz you're sappy Cuz I love you know, I love love you're a maple tree. Yeah, you love love

We have more that show than my show though Yeah, you love love. Um, we got more that show than my show though Well, you know what? It's scared. I ain't trying to go backstage to that show. Why you don't like me You everyone is just so high tension. I know it's like, you know, shaun was doing his gig and like it's hyper focused You doing your gig your hyper focus is like i'm not i'm not trying it's kind of fun to see me be hyper focused though And in charge great. I love seeing you guys fucking have a fucking was it weird see me. Was it weird seeing me lead a band? No, yeah a little bit, you know You're forcing jokes. No, the one joke was really good though. You got comfortable by song for what was early because there's no there wasn't enough People there in the beginning. Yeah. Yeah, you're I think like you had you had these jokes prepared

No, I didn't prepare anything you prepared that insurance. Oh, it sure is joke. Well, I thought of it like on the way there in the uber. Yeah. Yeah I do it too. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, the beginning was a little rough, but you got more comfortable It was a rough gig. I'm when you're the opener. It's rougher. Yeah. Yeah, the band's not a good filled in It was great. But musically it was fun to lead a man and like decide what everything I never get to pick what happens You know, why did Dragon Deer close it's their show and I'm not talking I mean I don't know they hired me you know I mean I didn't hire them so anyway we got Jacob know they did direct support at Red Rocks oh really summer yeah I like that guy the the harmonica player yeah I didn't I can't

I don't know who's who but yeah they were all nice so um all right we got Jacob know on the show Happy 300th episode. We did guys. I just want to say we got a reminder about the voicemail. What was the $300 thing again? We're giving out $300 Anyone who you voicemails the podcast and best voicemail best voicemail why you think you deserve this $300 Yeah Or any advice if you want advice to you want to find the best thing you're asking for advice for we'll this $300. Yeah. Or any advice if you want advice too. If you want advice and the best thing you're asking for advice for, we'll get $300. It's in the description. The phone number's in the description guys. It's not hard to find. While you're down there, add and subscribe to the podcast.

Yeah. Let's get, let's, we gotta rev up the engines a little bit. We came 13th in the country. That's good. We did. We came 13th. Guys, we're 13th in the fucking. That's good. We did we came 13th. We're guys. We're 13th in the fucking music podcast music podcast Lucky number 13 we need we want I want to I want to dream bigger. Oh, let's go for 12 I want let's go to let's get to 9. Let's get to 9 or let's build a studio I want to do that on to be in my house. What's number one in our category? Oh my god, that'd be so great. We have like Joe Budden if we had a fucking Studio that wasn't at your house. God that'd be sick. Oh my god Well, it's more we could just play and just somewhere we could just play and it's always set up

We don't have to fucking can you do still at the studio? I'm at my own flight home No, I don't mind you. I really don't mind doing that. But that would be nice though. Somebody could just pop over at one in the morning and make something. Yeah, if they're in town, we could just say, that's what I'm kind of doing that for, because I know it's going to take us a couple more years before the plug and play thing.

Yeah. But shout. Yeah. All right. Sublime. Shout out. You know this band? Have you heard about this band?

They were real big in the 90s. Yo, Chris, play some Sublime. And they're big again. I'm in the headline Coachella. Chris, play some Sublime. Play something. Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba. I didn't realize. I wonder who played trombone.

That Sublime was only selling 900 tickets a night when Bradley died. Yeah, that record kind of exploded after his, he perished. That's fucking wild to me. Yeah, I didn't know that, which just kind of changes everything. So we perished. That's fucking wild to me. Yeah, I didn't know that, which just kind of changes everything. So, we had Bradley's kid, Jacob, on the show.

Who was fucking awesome? He was the, I knew he was going to be awesome, because John Shields, they became really close, and they did that collab together with Killer Mike, and Little Stranger took Jacob on the tour with him, And he was saying like, this motherfucker is a bad motherfucker. I thought this dude was still hopped up on drugs. He's sober. The Adderall was worried he was going to be like a weird rich L.A. nepo baby kid.

Yeah. Because I didn't know anything about him. Yeah, I didn't know. I mean, I didn't know anything about him either. It's on me, but it's also like, how am I supposed to know? Yeah. It's fair to assume that. A lot of people in his position do turn out that way. Right.

But he was the opposite of that. He was cool. He was really down to earth great hair And he was giving us the inside scoop about oh, yeah, he gets a little he's cool He gets he gets on the cheese whiz but yeah, yeah He didn't it was I'm glad someone's finally fucking being honest, but he wasn't like mean Oh, he's just you know when some of these kids you get in these big bands. They start become media trained Yeah, media trained press hoes. That's how they like... And he wasn't like that.

They listen to their managers too much. Managers are always telling you like, because managers don't want to ruffle feathers, but they... Because managers are nerds and they don't realize that ruffling feathers in interviews is kind of good. That's why people like to break news on the WorldSaving Podcast. Yeah. We don't judge.

Yes. We'll judge you when you're off the show. Yeah. I don't judge. He. We'll judge you when you're off the show. Yeah I don't judge he didn't say anything mean or bad. It's just more about managers Just want you to Disney fire everything you say or like I know well that's what's making fucking news sterile It's boring. That's why every band is like when they blow up. They're like all their interviews are so boring Don't listen to managers stop They were in the managers they were cool in interviews and they had and knew what they're talking about They would be in the fucking interviews. I I love when you get that like that. Thank you

Well, just like some guys never done interview telling you how to do media, right? You're not interesting, right do my numbers Okay, happy 300th episode guys from the bottom of the heart of all our I'd like to thank our I like to thank our crew. I like to think the podcast boys you have an MBA text Fuck up Nick just because you were a Whatever and your band didn't make it now you want to be a tour manager exactly Suck my dick. Let me do the mean stuff you go back to thanking people Thank you so much everyone for being part of the podcast world met the right guy some after party in college I for being part of the podcast world. Met the right guy at some after party in college? Shut the fuck up, Nick. Um, I can't thank you enough, all the fans,

and you know, I go out in Denver and I get at least 10 people saying how much this podcast. Plaid shirt, Hurley hat. Shut the fuck up, Nick. I can't, I just can't thank you enough for supporting this dream. I mean, we're just two white dudes talking about dumb shit Yes, thank you. And thank you for helping us focus

Focus, okay. Okay. So it's weird. Okay. I know what's the deal with managers? I was wearing a hookah I think I guess they're really comfortable, but they do look nerdy kind of their new birch has only hokas that look cool Somehow he has because they don't they're all black. That's why yeah Well, we love you from the bottom of heart. We worked our ass off on this thing. Mm-hmm. It was we have no ass left. I Remember when I first had this dream and no one believed in it I would just be out there fighting you for some reason Well takes a long time for people to fucking get they didn't believe in your music. They didn't believe in your podcast They did it. I know it's a weird pattern. Yeah It's kind of good if people don't believe in your music. They didn't believe in your podcast. They didn't. I know, it's a weird pattern. Yeah.

It's kind of good if people don't believe in you. Yeah, but now they do, so thank you. And I wasn't a nepo baby. Get on Google Sheets. What? I was just still doing the manager thing. We love you. Okay, we gotta go.

We're 30 minutes into an opening. Stick around for Jake. Fucking. That boy Jake with the K. Joe Angel 30 minutes into an opening. Stick around for Jake. God, fucking... That boy Jake with a K. Joe Angel out too, baby. Thank you, Joe. We didn't even say thank you to Joe. And Joe's gonna have to cut all this up, because that's what he does. He says, 30 minute opening, you fucking dumb fucks.

You're making my job harder. I have another job. Just don't cut it. Don't cut it. It's the 300. Just let it ride. This is a 300 episode. We're gonna let this... This is a full non-edited... They're not going anywhere. We have a good guest. We don't need to... They're gonna stay or just skip ahead if you want. Who gives a fuck? Alright.

You control your own destiny. Play some sublime. Let's get people hyped up for Jacob. That trombone solo. It's probably the biggest song with a trombone solo in history, I think. Yeah. Alright. She'll give you all that she got to give, but I'm gonna make it... Jacob, how we doin'? I love it. Manager, he only takes 7%. He'll tell you that to change management, he'll only take 7%.

So I'm a musician as well, Nick's a musician. We tour, we do 250 shows a year as well. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you think it is, why we like to be on the road? Are we scared of our own home? I love talking about this kind of shit, man, because I feel like every musician,

every person I've bumped into is a little different. Some people don't like, some people don't like being out on the road. I call it like the juice, like for the music of what's the juice for you? Are you like a, are you a studio guy? Are you like the performer guy, behind the scenes rider, engineer dude? Are you just the tour road dog? And some people are a mix of many of those different ones. But for me, I just love swinging in that fucking hammock and the pirate ship man. Just, we only got one job today and that's to, you know, fucking make land break and

maraud around town and crazy show. And then I knew I, I feel fulfilled for that day. And it doesn't matter how much sleep or how little sleep or anything else, it just all kind of melts away, dude. I always say that if I didn't luck out and get this lifestyle, which I'm very fortunate to get to do, I'd probably be like a hobo hopping on boxcars. Yeah.

Like that book. So you're in a gentle and junkie. You know, yeah. Wanderlust, I think it is. You know? I love just not being in one place for too long. Yeah, let's dissect that. What was your childhood like? Oh man.

Mixed, you know. I definitely didn't have it as bad as other folks. And it wasn't perfect, obviously. You know, mom and dad were, they came from, you know, humble beginnings, that kind of thing like that. And I wouldn't say like, you know, we were just fucking destitute or poor or anything like that. But they, they were the type of people who, you know, it's like kids having kids, it was just sort of like crazy chaos, a lot of white trash party kind of vibes. Yeah. But then the other half of growing up, that was all in

San Diego. The other half was me in Long Beach with my grandparents who were much more well off. You know, they were, I guess, a little bit more normal white picket fence, still cool people. So I never felt like I fit in with any one of those categories. My parents, they seem like they had like this, you know, street wise cool kind of vibe where they just were like knowledgeable about that whole world. And my grandparents, these like super hyper educated folks. And no matter which one I didn't fit in. So that that theme like totally, you know, followed me my entire life. That's why it's the sun and the moon kind of thing.. I'm all bipolar and shit too. So I think that's always gonna be a big thing for me.

And what's weird is the place where I feel the most even on the road, I think it's cause I'm used to that chaos and that uncertainty, you know? Yeah, and like, and because you're running away from yourself because you've always had that in you. Like this one, you're like being in one town for one day, so no one gets to know you. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I'm not a good texture or texture backer, you know? Someone will literally send me something and I'll look at a read and go, huh, well that's nice. And then I'll close my phone. Like, yeah, to me that's just a normal thing that I have no, you know, it's weird, you know, former connections and stuff like that. What made you go? What made you go to your parents or your grandparents house? Oh yeah, I would spend the summers there with them and stuff. You know, they were very like helping me out and that sort of thing.

And, you know, it's not to disparage my mom and my stepdad. You know, those people are the rad people. We have a good relationship nowadays, but it was a long road to get to get there. You know what I mean? Yeah. What was the road? What happened? Well, you know, they have asked me so funny because my mom's like, you got to stop saying all this shit in interviews and podcasts. I'm like, well, it's all true. And she's like, yeah, but people don't need to know that crap.

Well, they want to. Yeah. Well, it's also like people, if you're trying to get to know you as a person, it's how we were taught. Right. And the way I look at it, if there's anybody in similar situations. And again, it's never like I think I always have this fear where, you know, I've kind of grown out of this now that I'm settling into my role in life a

little bit more. But when I first came for sublime I was like My biggest fear was like man people are just gonna think i'm this fucking shitty nepo kid who grew up with a silver spoon In his mouth and they're like a silver lake kid. We had like million dollar equipment Yeah stuff And um, and that's obviously not the case But it's also not the case that I was like, you know

Just I think it's also stupid how we Always need like our musicians to be like I just I grew up in a coal mine. I never even saw this I was 18, you know, it's like Yeah, you know the truth always lies somewhere in the middle. Anyways, yep I I think that when I share the the darker sides of my youth I like to imagine there's like some kid out there who's got some similar situation who's like, fuck, I feel so alone and uncertain right now and music making music or there are the only thing that makes them feel you know, connected to

something beyond them. Right. That's basically what the experience was like for me. You know what I mean? Like, never never being able to feel like I connect to anyone around me, always feeling very scared in very adult situations, and wanting to fit in but not knowing how, you know? It was all, go for it, my bad. No, you're totally right. Do you think that's why you felt like you had

to grow up so fast? Oh yeah, dude. I mean, you know, we learn to like parent ourselves, you know what I mean? Or we have to. Yeah. Especially if you don't believe in the parenting the parent is giving you. Right. That's the big one. And I think that that's probably like 90% of humans have disagreements about the way they were raised, this or that. And depending on the severity of it, you know, it's your right to never ever forgive

your parents if what they did was that bad. But for me, I nowadays have an awesome relationship with my mother, my dad, who's my stepdad, and my grandparents too. Right. You know? He's awesome. I realized that it was worth it, that I didn't want to keep all this resentment over people who were really just trying to do the best they could. Yeah.

And we forget that it's their first time parroting too. Just going to say that. It's like, I love that saying. It's like their first time being a person too. It's their first time being alive. Yeah. Yep. So why don't we give them as much slack?

We don't give ourselves enough slack because we give everyone else a chance to fucking do better, do better, but we forget about ourselves. Why do you think that is? It's a tough one, man. Yeah, you mean cutting ourselves some slack? Yeah, why can't we give the same slack to ourselves? Why are we so hard on ourselves versus giving everyone else this slack of not, keep on giving people second chances

and third chances and fourth chances. Yeah, I completely agree. I've had to deal with that a lot too, very fucking hard on myself. I always figured it was this sort of like, I don't know, like I get this anxiety that if I don't, you know, sit here and be bummed out and just fucking hate on myself for a second,

then I'm gonna forget and not do better next time, but that's not really true. You know, it's like a it's like a lie We tell ourselves like right, you know Being in self-pity is not useful. You should recognize bad behavior. You should try to correct it And and see how you can do better next time. Yeah But I will I will dive deep into self-pity. I will just drown in the fucking ocean. I'll go into the certain kind of addictive, like self-loathing, like, Oh, I'm such a piece of shit. I don't deserve X, Y, or Z, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Where was the first time you felt like that? Pretty young, probably. This is like a therapy podcast. This is the hour. Just getting to know each other. We're going to be friends, bro. We're all, we have the same friends. We're managed by the same manager.

It's bound to happen. You know, therapy and jam bands. You guys, you guys got to come on our podcast. We just like make prank calls and take Zen. We'll get into the, the cat of me and the dick jokes here soon. Don't worry. You guys gotta come on our podcast. We just like make prank calls and takes in We'll get into the the cat of me and the dick jokes here soon. Yeah, don't worry. Don't worry We gotta we gotta we gotta find about we gotta find out about the trauma first Yes on here be if they're based on the trauma. Well, isn't that the best comedy? making fun of ourselves

tragedy over time I Like getting deep man. Yeah, so I time. I like getting deep, man. Yeah. So I'm just curious, like, you know, I read about you and I was wondering, like, what made you go into just drinking at 12, you know? Oh, Jesus, man. Yeah, that was the very beginning. Um, again, trying, I think it was trying to fit in and stuff. To tell the truth, it's just the best thing ever.

You know, to all the young people listening, I'd say just drink and do all the drugs possible. Get it out of the way, yo! I got off the tongue, yeah, I'm fucking seven years sober coming up on an eight and getting sober is the best thing that ever happened. And you can't really get sober if you never had a drug problem, so it looks like drugs. Yeah. You'll either die or get sober and have an awesome life. So just roll those down.

I guess that's good advice. No, but no, I hear you. I mean, I started playing music when I was 19 and I've been partying and going through it, and I was wondering, you turned 21. When you're 21, basically, you went sober. Which is crazy to me. That's when most people start going to bars.

That's when most people start rocking drugs and shit. So like. Yeah, I had about seven good months to being able to legally buy liquor, and I remember it being sick, dude. I was like, no way, you can just walk in and buy it now? Yeah. That's a grocery store.

Always fucking hassle to try to get as much booze as I wanted. Drinking was probably my drug of choice but I did all everything under the sun. Which one is like the most? I'm an uppers guy. Cocaine? Beating cocaine yeah. Yeah. Yeah speed it went No, it went really good with the drinking. Yeah, I keep drinking. Keep going. Yeah So what was the day when you finally realized I had to stop all this shit? Do you remember it? Oh, yeah, man

Oxygen so yeah. Well, yeah, this is starting man Yeah, I was 12 all the adults around me were doing that kind of stuff and they thought it was cool. And now here's a big part that I actually really want to, it's good to kind of have this document or whatever. My dad who raised me, he had this because that's how him and my mom, you know, got to, uh, bond with their caretakers in the seventies, you know, families where that was okay to drink and do drugs with them too. And so maybe they remember the only, their childhood, families where that was okay to drink and do drugs with them too.

And so maybe they remember the only their childhoods were far worse and far crueler than mine could ever imagine to be is really what I always try to get at. And so I think they remembered the only good times being those times when they could share a joint or a shot with, with mom or dad or whoever it was respectively. So when it came to the point where I was curious about trying drugs, they were still obviously like, you know, having fun partying. My dad's philosophy was that it would be hypocritical of him to bar me, who he essentially saw as now a young man, from having those experiences if that's what I thought I wanted for myself now is very controversial I don't know if that's what I would do with my kids i don't have kids yet i can't speculate about the future but i do know that.

What part of me resented him over a long time i wouldn't say he introduced me to it was gonna try that stuff anyways. I actually ended up respecting him a lot more and to this day for keeping it real with me 100% it'd be different if he was a sober dude telling me it's okay to do drugs and I wouldn't be equal but he was just saying hey, this is my life, this is what works for me and You know if you're curious about this stuff, then I'm not going to stop you from doing that kind of thing You're responsible for raising yourself basically Exactly, and and I think for the right person, in a lot of ways that's what worked for me, and I'm happy it turned out that way.

And when it stopped working is when I realized that I couldn't really be that guy. I'm not a functional drug addict, and I'm not a functional drinker in any way. And it was, the day I realized I really needed to stop, because I had a bunch of quitting and going, you know, everybody does that. Like I'm good. I'm 30 days. So all the stuff. I was 21 and it turns out drugs have like really bad health side effects.

Who fucking knew? Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. My brain's going crazy because I just took a bunch of speed for a straight. No wonder I'm tired. Yeah. Yeah. Literally heart palpitations. Um, I'd have seizures from when I tried to stop drinking because I was so holy shit. Oh yeah.

Delirium tremens, seeing shit, all that stuff. And, um, I was like, I remember being on the floor of my grandparents upstairs bathroom. And, uh, realizing how close to death I was and finally making it out of that coming to out of a blackout and a treatment center and just being so grateful to be alive like I'd gotten too close to death that's what worked in the beginning that first year was just afraid of dying yeah I really didn't but that's not enough for everybody's got a different

one you know what I mean some people they just wake up one day and they're done. Some people get into a crazy near-death experience. Who knows, you know? But for me, that's when I first, it really hit me. Like, okay, I need to fucking do this. I need to get sober. I'm gonna fucking die at 21. Would you go to rehab?

Yeah, yeah. Detox, fine. How long did that last? Yeah, yeah, you talk fine. How long did that last? I did a 60 days of inpatient at a residential electronics. No nothing no leaving. Hmm it was a trip dude really trippy experience for a 21 year old because You know, I was I was not your average 21 year old either. Like I didn't have any adult skills.

Right. I didn't have worldly, you know, useful skills at all. Um, and that was by virtue of just, you know, being a hapless drug addict. Right. Um, I had certain advantages and certain disadvantages like anybody else, I think. I had certain advantages and certain disadvantages like anybody else I think and Then I did another six months in like a sober living and did like outpatient intent I hope the intensive intensive outpatient. Oh, wow And now I'm an AA guy. That's what works for me, but I'm not like a sobriety

treatment recovery a Nazi kind of dude, I'm actually a huge drug advocate, which sounds weird and counterintuitive, but obviously, you know, all things blah, blah, blah need to be within good reason and that sort of stuff. But they're just simply incredibly powerful experiences. And because of that, they cannot be by their very nature controlled. You're never going to be able to stop people from a certain type of people from wanting to experience that it's just a part of life For me, it's not just about like education in school. That should be a given of course, you know drug I mean it's but it's so hard to not make to make that not square No matter how yeah good. Hey there fellow youngins. Let me tell you

whack to do drugs and it's like that always is going to seem phony and it's only Serves to keep the people who are already not going to do drugs off the drugs. It's not gonna What I think is most important is mentorship And so that's not from your own family. That's from your older friends Your older homies to be like I remember a big reason I never Tried, um or never got super into inhalants for whatever reason out of all the other crazy drugs Your older homies would be like I remember a big reason I never tried I never got super into inhalants for whatever reason out of all the other crazy drugs I've done them a little bit but I remember one of my buddies like dude, you really fucking up a nitrous

I was like, you know, I did at this party He's like, you know, she's gonna make your fucking brain pop, right? and it's like I kicked and party with and I was like fuck my older homie Taylor thinks That's lame. I got I didn't realize that was the lame thing to do. Like you almost got to like him your younger homies. Giving them good knowledge because then you realize your older friends are, you know, it just have to. So that's more of a message. I guess people who are friends and have younger friends and stuff like that, you really need to become that, that, that mentor. And I guess that role model, I hate using that word, but yeah. Who is your mentor going into, uh, rehab? Like, did you meet any guys in AA that, uh,

Yeah, I have a sponsor, man. Johnny Santos, man. Let's clap it up to Johnny. Johnny, thank you for everything, everything man i know you did it because you just did it man and i really appreciate it i don't think i really don't think i'd be sober if we had it met all right still to this day like i don't think i got it and i wouldn't have met him without ken denson one of the best tour managers in the fucking business his name is worldwide ken denson he's for everybody's favorite band at one point or another. I think right now he does Ario Speedwagon. And he was always

not only a mentor with me in sobriety, but a mentor in me starting into the music industry through sobriety. So I got, I really lucked out, man. That was the luckiest part, not how I was born or, or what I got bumped into, this and that. For me, it was meeting those right people. And I hadn't even made that connection. I guess that's good mentorship right there. So the older friends taught me the way. So was your dad's band, well actually your band, man.

Yeah, it's your band. Were they there for you when you were a kid? No, I'm a higher guy. But were they there for you when you were a kid? They were around at times for sure. I remember them at my grandparents house or, you know, seeing Bud when I went to a, it's funny. We all worked at this.

We all the same like first job or one of my first jobs. Like I had, I worked so many fucking weird jobs. I dropped out of high school so early. I worked at a shop and then I did fucking moving jobs where we'd clear out old estate liquidations and shit like that. And then I actually worked at Coachella as a fucking stagehand for a couple of years in stagecoach. There's so many weird odd jobs to try to fucking, you know, make shit work. And, and then I remember, but my first like long term like, you know, day job was at Billings Paint and Hardware and shout

out to Doug Billings. I actually saw him last night as I was getting food in Long Beach. And he's just lived here forever. His dad on the spot before him. And when Doug was young, he gave jobs to his buddies, which happened to be the dudes from Sublime and including Bud and Eric. And so when I was like 18 or 19 or something, my band Law, Doug had us out to his desert house in 29 Palms, 21 Palms, 29 Palms. And he was like, yeah, come on out and play some songs. Bud came out, we hung out and jammed, and it was just fucking cool, man.

I mean, they were around in the background, but they lived in different places. I'd see them at family get togethers and stuff like that. In fact, that's what really made me want and decide to join, to start singing for them and stuff, is because it's kind of just fun, us all hanging out and hearing their stories and connecting.

I think it's been a really cool healing process for all of us, really. Yeah, I mean, it's beautiful, man. And I was thinking that, what do you think it is, what was that turning point that made you give the confidence to finally ask if you could be the singer? Well, I always say it's something I never wanted to do. Yeah. I thought I should do, it's something I never wanted to do. Yeah.

I should do, never thought I had the right to do. I mean, it's just so weird because no matter what I say in any public form, you're never going to come off the right way to anybody. Totally. But I guess I could just tell you how it was for me, man, is it just, obviously I want to do my own music and connect with my art with an audience, totally agnostic of my father's work. But I started to realize that a lot of that is also kind of selfish too. I just simply wouldn't be here doing this if it weren't for my dad and his band.

And then here I had an opportunity with, really all it was is that Eric wanted to do this HR benefit concert in LA. And so he thought like, oh, why don't I come up and sing? Cause I had done a song or two with them, like Spray Allen jammed his other band. And we got budded on it and we just all were like, well, let's just all see if we have fun jamming together. And we did, and we played the show.

We were like, fuck me. We got Kevin Zinger and Joe Escalante. It seems like we're kind of having a team here. Why don't we just try to do this thing again? Yeah. I was scared shitless, dude. I fucking bet, dude. I'd be too.

Oh, fuck, dude. It's like all of it, you know? In fact, I only just recently started even enjoying it. Maybe like the Arizona show is like a month ago. Yeah. I think about you during the first show, really being in the band is fucking Coachella. It's insane. Yeah. That was our first real show, Build a Sublime.

That's what I'm fucking talking about. Like, dude, it felt like jumping out of an airplane, dude. Without a parachute. Yeah. Oh my God, dude. It was the worst. It sucked. I don't want to say it sucked because everybody's dream is to every

music stream is to play like a big show like that. Yeah, like, yeah, to put you in the fucking fire right from the beginning is no, you didn't have no private saw. Yeah. And all the opening, all the history. You're like, all right, this is his no pressure. No pressure. Go give him hell, but slap you on the ass. No one's going to be judging you very critically here. Yeah. Dude, I wasn't even really fully confident with the material yet. I mean, we rehearsed.

Don't get me wrong. And, but I only just, it takes a while. They're not my son and they're not, it's not really, I think my voice naturally sounds like my dad's sometimes. And I love it when people tell me, oh my God, you sounded just like him. Cause I'm like, okay, thank God I'm, I'm passing. Like I'm fucking, I fucking barely squeaking by. Like, like when you learn another language and people are like, just on barely understanding you, I'm like, okay, thank God I'm, I'm, I'm sort of making it work because I can hear the parts where I don't sound anything like you, where I don't, my instincts to do certain melodies aren't exactly the same, you know? where I don't sound anything like you, where I don't, my instincts to do certain melodies

aren't exactly the same, you know? And that's why I've come to realize that this iteration of Sublime is going to be a different iteration of Sublime. It's gonna be what it is. No one can replace my dad. Fucking bottom line, period, you know? That's why I say I'm the lead singer of Sublime.

Like I sometimes sing songs for my uncle's and my dad's band like this. I open every show and I say my name is Jacob Noel and this is sublime and that's the people behind me man. And now I've gotten to a point where I'm almost happy that we jumped in feet to the flames and we just I just got to do this kind of big stuff because I spent my entire career dude in obscurity doing nothing

I wish I had the connections of fucking the big-time nepo kids, dude Like how come I pop off when I was fucking 21? Well, and yeah and you know the Offer the people gave us. I mean we got some sick stuff. Don't get me wrong there was for sure like the occasional booking that only got our way because someone wanted to hook us up because they believed in the project of the son of some dude they were a fan of. And that's awesome. But I wasn't necessarily Nirvana. It feels big to us here in California or if you are

a fan of their work and you understand them, but they're somewhere in between the Minutemen and Nirvana in my opinion, or maybe the Buttles, or Pixies, or Cake, bands that I love and I think are amazing. And I think they're huge, or by the way, you know what I mean, man? And they got a little bit past that, but it wasn't to this like huge degree. And so that was also another huge inciting factors. I was like, fuck dude, this is my father's work. He died for his, his, his craft, dude. And he left behind so many amazing gifts for me. I spent all this time like resenting that I was never going to step out of a shadow or something and not wanting to use any of that association at all to finally realizing that,

you know, I need to accept who I am, where I came from and pay my dues. And that's easy to be like, oh, real must be real tough paying your dues. Poor kid had to play Coachella. It's like, no, but you're in the van. They don't realize that you had your own band. You're fucking grinding it out with no fucking help, bro Also playing Coachella is your first show is paying a do that fucking harder Than you think you it's hard to do without doing like a bar a hundred times before you do that, right? You know, you don't know how many times I try not to read comments anymore But like I thought I got the that first show I thought I got the what I got solo pretty good not the fucking I definitely didn't get a Sanería solo down

But I thought I played what I got pretty that's I like I'm right But some people are just no and then I realized oh it doesn't really matter how accurately or good I say it's just not gonna be enough for anybody People to suck your dick from the back Fuck these people. Yeah. And no, but I respect the criticism because it helps me grow as an artist at the same time. But I'm just like, that was my point though, is I implying I look over there's giant Jake

on this giant thing and I'm like, everything's being recorded in 4k and being exported and fucking lossless wave files. It's like, oh my god, this is crazy. Thank god I'm good looking. I just knew that there was going to be so much scrutiny on what I did. And finally, I'm here to report for the first time, it was the Arizona show where it changed where there was this 30 minute section where I completely disappeared and left my body and was just really enjoying playing this material with Trey and Dougie and Bud and Eric. And I mentioned it to Eric afterwards because he had talked about feeling like that at the WSL show that we played in

Huntington Beach and I was like, dude, I fucking feel that man. He's like, yeah, dude, that's kind of what sublime is all about. And I laughed and walked off and not in like a dick way. He was just like, it was just like, oh my God, it felt like so human. I mean, how lucky is it that these three basically random like punk rock, beachy, long beach dudes made music that even got to this fucking point, man? So I spent all this time just stressing about wanting to achieve some kind of fucking fame or success so I could get validation for my music. And playing Sublime and popping that cherry for me before I was ready for it,

almost demystified it for me in a way that at first was disillusioning and scary and a bum out, but now I'm stoked on it because I realized all those things I were chasing were not real. It was fucking fugazi. It was fugazi.

It's in your head, baby. It's in your head. It was all in my ears. I realized the real important things that matter is that connection you feel on stage when you're performing with other musicians and the experience that you're giving to an audience and those memories that you get to create for people. So the learning lesson of all this or the resolution was for me to create my

own record label with my fucking friend Zeno the guitar player go check them out wet marsupial on Instagram and check out sunburnt records pretty please. And the idea is not to become like, I mean, we're going to fucking go we're going to war. We're going to take down all the other fucking indie label or common form. But I mean, it's not like, oh, we're going to be the Beatles. It's I want to put on some fucking rad shows for like 100, 200 people and see if they make some memories that they get to tell my kid in the same way

that I get to hear these old timers talking about when they were kids going to my dad's shows. Like, fucking people like meet each other and make bands or fucking date or create memory. That's life, that's life. That's human life and we're just doing it because we wanted to play some songs that made us happy and go out to a show and hear loud noises,

come out a speaker that's so simple and fucking cool. The more that we just have fun and goof around with Sunburn and try to use my platform with Sublime to promote my friends music so that they can get the recognition that they deserve, that they're craving. I want them to be able to get to that stage where they get to peer, peer behind the fucking veil and, and then they get to be the ones who stand up

there on that Coachella stage for their own music, for their own right. And say, God damn, this is trippy. So I got a couple questions here. First off, the reason why you finally felt good about it is because you're finally comfortable. I mean, you're new to the fucking thing. So Arizona probably was like, okay. I know these songs.

Yeah, I know these songs. I know this rhythm. I know how to have my own piece in this diagram that is sublime, you know? Exactly. I feel, figure out where I fit this rhythm. I know how to have my own piece in this diagram that is sublime. Exactly. I feel figure out where I fit in now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't, I mean, it's like, I think I'm a sports fan. So I think about like when you get traded on a team and they do really shitty for two weeks until you get comfortable with yourself and know your new role in this part. It's like being, it's not, you're afraid to be present

because you're afraid to, you have to make everyone else like you instead of like being comfortable in your own skin and actually being a band, you know? And the material, you just don't know the material. You don't know, yeah, exactly. And now you do, and now you're fucking comfortable, and now you're fucking kicking ass.

So my question is, now that you've seen the bigger side of music, do you hate the music industry more, or do you like it more? I would say that's the sunburn expeditionary force is going to war, man. That's what I'm talking about. A lot of parts of the industry are totally jived. Like they're not, you know,

I think it's always going to be really tough. Just like how Don Passman says in his book where art and commerce intersect. We live in a time where we cannot, you know, defuse the two. They have to be part of one another. So that's always going to create all these weird controversies. But as far as controversies go and drama, I think it's only, you know, worth talking about to us as artists in so much that it's useful to our storytelling and our writing. So I mean, what a beautiful story if you want to look at the greater narrative of how popular music has been consumed. I like to look at it like we're in like the fucking ashes of a fallen kingdom. So it's time for the fucking, you know, the rebels to rise up.

Let's fucking go. Yeah. Yeah. When you're young and you want to fucking make some noise and do some crazy shit and I want music that makes people want to fight and fuck and cry and you know, like that's the kind of people that I like to sign and to work with and the stuff that we do. Well, there's your dad in you. So as long as there's people that want to come out to live music events, I feel like we don't even need an industry. You know what I mean, man? Like it's, it's tough, but, um, I, I have to remain optimistic.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. I'd be jaded as fuck, bro. You already are jaded as fuck. I am, but in his position. That's what I'm saying. I'm, I've been in, I've been, I've been on tour 15 years in my band, and I'm jaded.

I'd be even more jaded if- Imagine. How much pressure they're putting on this fucking kid. Yeah, like being pain man. Tell him to suck your dick from the back, Jake. I'm gonna say it again. Everyone talking shit about my boy, my new boy, we're gonna be friends.

Fuck off. We're fucking born. Yeah, tell him to fuck off. And leave Bronnie James alone too. And leave Bronnie James alone too. And leave Bronnie James alone too. LeBron James kid. No, but, so I think about this, bud, because you want your own legacy,

and you're going to have your own legacy, and this is great, this is like gotta be a soul-fulfilling thing, because you really never had your dad, your dad passed away so long ago. Like, you're 11 months old, right? Mm-hmm, correct. So, you kind of don't even remember him.

You just know the stories. It was always through stories. So is that why you always went to his last show he had? The venue. The venue? Yeah, dude, exploring the Phoenix Theater. I mean, there's, like I said, there's a great fucking story. There's some drama to this whole thing. I mean, that's what makes this such an interesting story that that I get to be a part of. Right. I mean, we're always looking for purpose and

meaning. I just want to tell anybody out there who feels like they're devoid of purpose or meaning right now, like you can fucking find it and you will. I, it, it, it took me 29 years, but in a weird way, I think that's what I was looking for going to that theater. What'd you, why'd you keep going there? What was in your head? It's really hard to find a time to connect with slash grieve slash even think about my father, um, in a personal way that is uniquely mine and that is alone. That's what that's what's a weird process about it. Having lots of people have dead

family members. Not a lot of people have dead family members who were also beloved by living legends. Yeah. So every time I have to think about him or interact with him or like it's why people ask me like, well, why don't you go to his grave every year? It's because it's surrounded by all these strangers. I don't know. That's no way to grieve a family member. It's no offense to them. I hope they keep coming.

I'm glad that there's people out there want to keep a memory alive and experience it, but I ain't going to fucking be there because it's just, it is very emotional and that's just not the way that I'm able to authentically connect with that shit. So going to that theater, it felt like it's just me in this big empty room or frequently it was filled with teenagers, you know, fucking taking mushrooms and skateboarding, which is actually kind of cool, I guess. Yeah, that is kind of a roll actually. That's actually pretty cool. That's cool that teenagers are still like connecting with them. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. To them it's kind of probably this cool Mecca too because they know like oh do you know the

fucking they do some sublime play their last shreds probably got a little bit of a mystique and a legend to it. I want like that the dudes who own the place are like the nicest guys too very respectful and there's cold fucking rock and roll dudes who want to Create an awesome space for right. Oh, did a sunburned show there. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, we'll do sunburned north That'll be grab. Oh, that'd be cool Yeah, cuz they do all the ages shows there and shit. There you go. We get credit for the idea We'll take 10% of the sales

Fails off the top dude, off the gross. Gross yes. I like the way this guy's thinking. So do you think going- For guys like 30. Have you always wanted to follow your dad's legacy? You know, it's like this weird fucking anime protagonist adventure thing. You hear all these stories about him and you want to chase that you're so many ways searching for your dad

In the things that he must have done whether for me that looked like drugs and sex drugs and rock and roll, you know seven drugs and rocker just that and then there was so much like like lore and mystery and and drama and it was like this fucking medieval quest man and mystery and and drama and it was like this fucking medieval quest man and I think that's what I was searching for is a way to get without knowing I was searching for that really and so You know oftentimes like man. I should have just fucking been a writer or a chef or a fucker done something like that and Not picked up the mantle, but I guess I was always

heading in this direction, whether I wanted to admit it to myself or not. So I have to just live like a most authentic version of myself. And I am finally feels like I'm getting there a little bit. Not every day. There's bad days too, but we're about to go closer to the sun and fucking Mexico. I never played outside the country before. Oh, that is going to be rad. It's gonna be awesome man. Now I think about also, what's your relationship with Rome? Ooh, let's get controversial dude.

Don't be controversial. I wanted to tell him. I think a lot of stuff kind of got taken out of context. There was a time when I was maybe more emotional about it. Right when the transition was happening and like there was all these kind of like headlines. I say headlines and I'm like, it's not like we're fucking, you know, Drake and Kendrick Lamar. Like, you know, like who really cares except for a select few, you know, people. But yeah, dude, the thing is, I never want to give the impression like I have more of a right to fucking who cares?

You know what I mean? It's not, I was, I was, here's the difference is that I was asked to do it. You know what I mean? Like, I see there's anything I'm going to say is going to come off shitty towards the guy, but like, I have to keep it a buck. Always, man. I'm always just gonna keep it 100 and I just never liked The again it comes down to grieving and dealing with the loss of a loved one and when you see someone else on stage singing those songs with

Calling himself essentially and trying to market himself as as the name of that band. Mm-hmm student really fucking hurts and and and no one can tell me shit about that. I'm sorry but that's what I'm not always going to say what the correct media training thing would be to say about that because that part of it sucks. So when we wanted to just do Sublime again, which should be a totally uncontroversial thing. It comes out of no entitlement for me to take over his position or beggar him or try to make them go broke or mess with their shit. What the fuck? I don't have anything to do with that. But it

will have to be an inevitable thing that comes with the territory because I'm, you know, but an Eric are sublime wherever they're, that's what the band is. I think there was a lot of this media look where he was like, Oh, they're just kicking me to the curb because the Jake and the boys want to do sublime and it's just fucked up because I have faithfully kept these songs alive for all the fans like No, I disagree I'm sorry almost said the media training thing my manager's gonna be so pissed at me No, this is actually better. This is this is your you're talking it out, bro. Like dude, I thought what everyone thinks What do you think? Yeah, like who cares?

This is truly how I feel and dude, I don't know him that well as a person This is the few interactions I have with them didn't leave an amazing impression on me, but um You know, I'm sure he's a good dude who was a family and then and he's and I personally happen to think he's a great Guitar player and singer and he played those songs good He can sing them a lot more accurately than I can in a lot of times man I lucked out because I got the fucking larynx. I just have, I fucking related to the original singer. Like it's not a contest of who can be more Bradley. You know what I mean? Like we've had a different take and approach. I'm going to sing them like how Jake sings them. And it's not because

I'm trying to do that willfully to the fans out there. I'm trying very hard to learn the songs and the melodies and the riffs. They're very difficult but they're very fun to play and I feel very lucky that I even get to be in this position, but It's not it's it's not a contest. I don't think i'm more deserved um You know, I'll put it like this If you guys have a singer you like who you think you'd rather perform the songs I'll have him go up there and do it, dude. I don't fucking need to do that.

I'm glad to that. Yeah, like we can do a contest. Like, he's the guy who sings for Queen now. Yeah. Adam Lambert or? What about that Filipino dude who's in like Rush? Journey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, did you ever sing for Alice in Chains. Like it's not uncommon. It does happen.

The difference with Rome is that it was not a consensual thing. And in a case of Alice in Chains, that's Lane's daily span really. Yeah. I mean, not Laine's daily. My fucking God. Fuck it. Who's a guitar player? God, I can't think of his name.

Oh, Jerry Cantrell, right? And trail there. Yeah. It makes sense because that was that kind of thing. If the bandmates wanted the thing to happen, well, that's the band then, dude. It got to a point where Bud's not in the band anymore, Eric's not in the band anymore, and they want to do with a different singer. I'm happy that they play, but I don't agree with the decisions and the route that that

Sublime with Romance had. I hate even having to list let's not dance around the subject, they thought and everyone else believed that that just was sublime. Right. The reason they were called Sublime with Rome was because it was not consensual. Me and my family didn't want that to be sublime. It just didn't feel right in any sense of the word. Right.

And all of their bookings and their marketing, look at the difference of shows that they're playing You know what I mean, right? Like the reggae Which I love all those bands other on with the race or confess, but it's just not I imagine Sublime was still around and it's original entity They play like maybe one or two of those a year, but we play fucking, you know, no values the punk rock fest You play Coachella we play fucking you know, I mean I don't know if I can answer we're doing that yet, but yeah, I know right doing the same thing Yeah, dude, like fucking you must have the same manager

Turned into fucking band dude. Yeah, and um, so the way that they uh That's one thing. I don't agree with is just the way that the legacy was carried on if you want to call it that It didn't seem quite right. It seemed more, I mean, you know, everything down to the formula up there and stuff. You can ask my uncle Eric how he felt about it and stuff like that. Like the tracks and the huge fucking ensembles and all that stuff. It just wasn't what that band originally was. And the music that they ended up making, which wasn't really like, you know, it just felt like a whole new band, which it was, it was Sublime and Throne,

so make it more that. Right. And, you know. I'm not here, but I'll wrap it up. No, you're fine, man. I think it's your life and it's your dad's story. It's your legacy to carry on. And your legacy to carry on if you want to do it.

You're not, there's no pressure on you to do it, but if you want to do it, you're fucking taking initiative and I respect the fuck out of that. Yeah, also if it was like that, you would have done it nine years ago, but you didn't. Right. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, people have been wanting me to do this since I was fucking 12 and they figured I could play guitar, but it never was, you know what I mean?

For the longest time, I had no problem. For me, it was this transition phase. So what a lot of people don't know, and I'll just tell you the fucking God's honest truth right now Fuck all the media shit is that they? Had Eric believe the band that's really what happened. Whoa, it wasn't yeah, dude. That's a shit the guitarist What's that? Yeah bass player bass player. Yeah, okay. Yeah, and he was the last original member. So it was like, sort of like a hostile takeover from within

to fucking fully capture and solidify their power as the facto sublime band, but they overextended. It turns out you do need actual members of the original band to continue it. Yeah, yeah. It tan to continue it. Yeah It's kind of yeah It's called a coup. You got to have the Big Mac Burger King guys. You can't have the Whopper Kevin Zinger dude, it would have it would have stayed that way dude

He was the one who really was able to mastermind and get all of our troops into position To get back what is essentially rightfully ours and I'll never forget this fucking phone call I had with Rome while I was on tour I guess it was at the top of this year fuck it was in probably January when I was in DC after a show I played on tour with G love and I had this call and we were supposed to just talk real nice and civil and just say I wanted to know and he's probably got his own version dude Like I'm never gonna fucking it. I don't really feel like oh fuck this dude. He's a piece of shit No, no, no, not at all. He has not screwed me over in any fucking way. I just I just don't agree with certain things

It's fine to not agree about right With guys and I don't agree with the way that he handled this because I was just like hey, man I just wanted to go over, you know You know all the we got a lot of media press man, I just wanted to go over, you know, you know, all the, we got a lot of media press stuff coming up and trying to figure out how you want to, you know, spin the story and stuff like that. And then it was back full of you and mature of you, Jacob, dude, I swear to God, I would, he might not remember it like that, but I wish I had it fucking recorded. And my manager had suggested to me to try

to find common ground. So the first thing after that was, you know, I bet you might be the only other person in the world who can relate with me what it feels like to, you know, live in someone's shadow and have to try to live up to a thing like that. And as I'm saying that he cuts me off and he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So how many shows you guys playing this year? How many shows you guys playing this year? It wasn't even listening to you. What? He wasn't.

What do you mean? And he was like, you guys cannot play more than X amount of shows because if you do, it's going to fuck all this stuff up. And I have my family and all these employees that work for me. And you can't do this to me. How the fuck am I finding out through the Internet that this is happening? And, bro, trust me, if the rules reverse I'm sure you know he was probably freaking out his whole livelihood I empathetic towards that cause but there's simply nothing I can do about

that man like if he would have just been cool he probably would be up there playing guitar with us dude like no but dude but he wanted the whole fucking thing right he wanted because he felt like it was his I guess because he've done it for so long I mean if there's anyone else in the world who can relate in a similar situation getting thrust into that it's probably him, dude That's why that's why it frankly it sucks Like I don't see why there has to be any beef or any weirdness He's worked with a lot of the bands that I like and that I've worked with It's fine. I think his solo shits rad. I love fucking daddy and the dirty heads of the bands that I like and that I've worked with. It's fine.

I think his solo shit's rad. I love fucking Dutty and the Dirty Heads. All that shit's just fine. It's like breaking up with a girlfriend though. It's gonna be painful at first and hopefully you could be friends at the end. All that stuff was fine. SWR was fine, but it just wasn't sublime right and that's not to say and I felt like I i'm not there I just got asked to fucking do this. I almost feel like an outsider. Yeah, you know, i'm

I'm now learning all this stuff, you know being on the road with my uncle eric Him showing me all of his musical influences fucking tight His brain where they came from like I feel really accepted into I mean this is a family thing at the end of the fucking day dude right and you're gonna know your family that you've been thriving to have your whole fucking life bro yeah these godfathers when people say oh as you be SWR was keeping the the dream alive for fans or they were keeping the music alive no the fans were keeping the fucking music alive. God damn it. Yeah. Right. You think that if SWR didn't play that the sun would set on the era of Long Beach and sublime and magic faded from the lands

as no one was there to bear the torch. No, dude, people would still be blasting 40 ounce driving on the fucking freeway, dude. Yeah. It's a greater record. It's a great fucking record. It is. There's awesome cover bands out there like fucking Bad Fish and Burritos and fucking name a bunch more, dude. Like that music cannot die anymore than, I mean Led Zeppelin hasn't played a show in a while. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Exactly. There's tons of examples of that. Well, like the thing is like, it's like you have to take the ego out of it and just like service the music that was so beautiful for all our lives, you know? That's what some people are doing. Yep, exactly man.

And that's why I don't think I'm fucking keeping something alive or I'm the rightful dude or I think- No! It's been awkward for me up until this point, as I've said, and it's probably always going to have some little bit of discomfort and tension because it's just not my material. But what I am is a guy who likes to hang out with his family, like to meet new people, travel, see the happy faces of the people at the shows that we put on and playing these songs dude is fucking fun. They're really well written,

really really good songs. And for me, it is 100% connecting with my dad dude. I hate all that when people are like, do you feel like the ghost of your dad enters into your body when you play and he's like, fuck, can he enter my body anytime dude? That's weird. Like what if I'm being a chick? I just, I didn't even get to fucking nut do my dad took that away I don't believe in that kind of shit, but I Planned that Arizona show and at some other shows to these little moments I feel about damn near as close as any of that other spiritual shit and in English too, man. It was It is insane dude. It was...

It is insane, dude. It feels so... I'm so grateful for it, dude. I really am. I'm so fucking grateful. I feel lucky. And that's just something that's... It's a different experience than going and seeing an SWR show. It just always is gonna be Bro, it's because you're loving yourself. What a great perspective. It's a great perspective now You're finally loving make who you fucking are dude. It's great. I feel right dude Some days are better than other but when it hits dude It's exactly like that man. it feels like finally coming to that and I think that that's everyone's story with our

growth and maturity and adulthood and shit like that yeah it feels like you you finally have made it to this place and for me I thought that was gonna be you know wanting to be the next biggest fucking thing since the Beatles, but it turns out it's not that. What I really wanted is a sense of belonging. Right now, I don't belong to the band Sublime. You know, I belong to an awesome fucking family of people. I go over to my fucking manager, Kevin Zinger's house, and that man is like my father to me.

My friend Zane, who's like a fucking brother to me, and all of our friends at Sunburn, we are a fucking team. Right. Oh, with my friend Zayn, who's like a fucking brother to me, and all of our friends at Sunburn, we are a fucking team. Right. And it's like that song, the heart part six on that new Kendrick record. You guys should check that out. I love it. I've listened to it. Dude, it's such a great record.

It's probably my number one this year. But, you know, he was talking about how, like, you know, if I made it, if he made it, that means I made it. Right. You know? That means the whole team made it that means I made it right now Yeah, that means the whole team made it you know right and so for doing this. It's like. I just have this desire to just Bring this to other people you know I mean yeah as much as I possibly fucking can just to maybe even just to prove to myself or to anybody out there that this isn't just for me because I wanted to

Play the tonight show out there that this isn't just for me because I wanted to play the Tonight Show. Right, right. Get my aim out there. I'm so grateful for the looks that I'm getting and the attention. Of course I am. We're entertainers. It gets me thinking, you know, and it's also like when you realize this isn't the end, this is just another chapter in your book. Because you will get back to your music and you will get back to having the legacy that

is you and not just the legacy you're doing with your dad's music. It's so well said. My biggest fear in my life is that I could never step out of my dad's shadow. But almost stepping into it is the way that I realized that I could just leave it all behind. It's the weirdest thing. It's like a fucking one of those Chinese finger traps, man. Right.

And pulling it won't come off and you just have to go in sometimes and now in a weird way it feels like I'm more free to do anything and It feels more possible to just truly fucking do my own shit Whatever that ends up looking like this at the end of the day At least I know I have some good fucking people around me Fucking good people every day man. I got some new fucking brothers right here. It's going down Jacob. We're gonna be Yeah, that now that probably brings me to my last question. I want to ask you know With everything going on in your life with you getting back to the roots of what your family's

Legacy is and the people around you that was with you though your whole life What do you when it's all said and done? What do you want to be remembered by? man your whole life, what do you, when it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? Man. Truth. What do I want to be remembered by? I mean, the answer would have always been, you know, creating some epic song that changed people's lives in the world. And like, maybe like even an hour ago, I would have said that but given the conversation

we just had, I think I'm kind of realizing in this moment, if I could be remembered by having a positive impact with most of the people that I had meaningful relationships with. If I could really be remembered for that, that would be fucking, that's a real tear of the people that I had meaningful relationships with. If I could really be remembered for that, that would be fucking, that's a real tearjerker, man. That would be amazing. Well, that's why we're out here on Earth to help each other, brother.

Let's keep being genuine and tell the people who don't deserve your love to suck your dick from the back, baby. How can I start using that? That's a good one. Hey, what's that phone number one more time? I don't know. I'm kidding.

My dick ain't even that big, so you're really gonna have to get in there. You're gonna have to really be in that asshole, baby. start using that. That's a good one. Hey, what's that phone number one more time? My dick ain't even that big. You're really going to have to get in there. You're going to have to really be in that asshole, baby. You're going to have to really sniff it up. All right, buddy. Have a great day. Enjoy the sunshine and don't be too hard on yourself. You deserve to be happy, man. You deserve to enjoy this moment. Seriously. You're back with your fan. Go get them. Likewise. Love you guys. Appreciate it. Talk to you soon. Have a good one, buddy. Peace.

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