Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 31: Michelangelo Carubba (Turkuaz)

Episode Date: December 18, 2018

Andy gets a call from America's favorite William Hickey impersonator: his very own (and very concerned) grandfather. And just cuz we can, we're doing a follow up chat on the interview hour with our buddy Michelangelo Carubba, thunder-foot drummer from Turkuaz. It's a sad day for Dolav and all Utah Jazz fans. Beware: Todd Glass is coming. And he's coming for Andy Frasco. This is Episode 31.  To keep up with the podcast, follow us on Instagram @WorldSavingPodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. Follow our buddies, Turkuaz at www.turkuazband.com Check out Andy's new single, "Change of Pace" on iTunes and Spotify Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Ahri Findling Alex Greer Dolav Cohen Todd Glass Arno Bakker

Hey yo Frasco, I just heard the new single. That shit is dope as fuck my man. But this fucking podcast of yours, that shit is straight trash. I mean, how many times can we listen to you talk about your dick? Man, to do better my man got to do better hey andy it's your grandfather i was calling because i was in your mom's house for Thanksgiving, and I went into your old room, and I dropped my glasses, so I went looking for them under your bed, and I found like 10 different old condoms

that I guess you were masturbating into. And I wanted to tell you that I threw them out for you so that your mom didn't find them. So if you come home for Christmas, just know I don't know if you were saving them, but they're not there anymore. It's funny. When I was a kid, we used to masturbate into tube socks. So I just thought I would tell you in case you were looking for them. I love you so much. I hope you saw Blue Bloods this week. You know how much your grandmother loves Tom Selleck. Okay. Love you. Bye.

What's up, everybody? How you doing? It's your boy Andy Frasco You're listening to the Andy Frasco World Saving Podcast I am going solo on that ass today I'm fucking jet lagged I woke up at 5am I flew in from Amsterdam yesterday Got a pad in New York for a couple days I'm doing some stuff Some some exciting stuff I can't

really talk about yet, but hopefully I get the job and you'll hear all about it. I'm in Jersey City. I've never been in Jersey City. They gave me an artist retreat, which is cool. This thing called Bass Camp, where they just have touring musicians. They let touring musicians come here and hang out and be creative for a couple days. So no one is here. I have no band next to me. I am in complete peace. I've masturbated a few times.

It was great. I'm alive. But jet lag sucks because you wake up at six and you want to like bother people, but you realize that no one is awake. So you end up going into the deep thoughts of your brain and all of a sudden I'm typing in youporn.com again. I'll send them typing in youporn.com again. Jesus Christ. I think I'm a porn addict, but I don't, I last very little. It takes like 10 seconds for me to get the poison out. And then I'm back in my day. I feel good. Feel, feel groovy. But anyway, what's going on with me? Yep. Jet lag. Can't believe it's fucking December already. I have two weeks off. Never have two weeks off.

I don't know what the fuck to do with myself. Maybe go find myself a girlfriend or... I don't know what to do. I'm about to go on a heavy CD release tour in January or February and... I should just chill out and go to bed and stuff, but I'm going to China. We're playing New Year's Eve in Macau again. That is always a blast. It's been the sixth year in a row we've played Macau. It's fucking awesome. I just found out I read an article that Chinese look up to Jewish businessmen.

It was fucking awesome. I don't know if it's true. Maybe it is because they've been booking me there for like six years straight now. I'm like, what's going on? Because I don't know if they like Americans too much because of the whole they own our ass and shit, but what's going on? So maybe just like me because I'm Jewish. I'm fucking down. They pay us good and treat me like royalty. So I'm fucking, yeah, dude, finally getting what we deserve after 2,000 hard years. No. We've been, Jews do pretty well for themselves.

But, yeah, I'm going to Japan right after. I'm taking the band to Japan, which should be fucking cool. Let's Google. I always want to, I heard they have like the kinkiest shit out there. Let's Google. Let's Google. 10 of the strangest sex things to do in Japan culture. Ah, here it is. Weird stuff. Yeah. They have vibrator bars.

That's kind of gross. I don't want to masturbate in front of people. Well, I don't need a vibrator, but women just masturbate in a bar? It might be expected entry is buried to single men. Men can only enter accompanied by women. It might be expected entry is buried to single men. Men can only enter accompanied by women. Okay, cool. That's good. So no creepers.

Orgasm Wars. This highly scripted but oddly hilarious piece of television. Yeah, I fucking love Japan, dude. So they have Orgasm Wars. Pretty crazy. Sex propaganda. Cool. Super free. Oh, no. I don't want to do that.

Oils. Naked continent. Natural highs. A Japanese company specialized in extreme forms of porn. I just like the basic porn. Fo, no. Fetish clubs. There we go. You could eat sushi off naked women and naked men. Hell yeah, Japan. That shit would not fly in America. I might check that out. What else? Sex robots.

Yeah, that shit is blowing up too. Damn. Well, I'm looking forward to that. I'm bringing the band. We're going on vacation. We do an Asian vacation every year. And, um, so we decided on Japan. It's gonna be a little more expensive, I heard, but what can you do? What can you do? But anyway, enough about my kinky things I want to do in Japan. Oh, I also want to go to that Euro Dreams of Sushi guy. I don't know if I can get a reservation, but this shit is blowing my mind, this vibrator bars. People just masturbate at a bar around each other?

I can't even imagine. I have to close the door, put the fucking drapes down, fucking turn off the music. I'm like so scared that someone's going to catch me beating off. Like I've had my, when I was a kid, I used to have my parents catch me beat off by accident. You know, like I just didn't hear them in the room and all of a sudden got a hand on my member and I look like an awkward starfish, you know? It's like, oh God, here we go. But people like that shit. I couldn't do it. I tried to go to this like titty bar with my band and I just did not enjoy it. But anywho, that's Japan. I got tour dates. Where am I going? Fuck. Starting a CD release tour. Oh man. CD release tour. Yes, I am going everywhere. Jesus

Christ. I did 226 shows last year, 230. I'm on pace to do that. I'm booked all year. I'll be in every city. You'll see me. I'm coming back to L.A. I'm playing in the West Coast again. That's good. East Coast, Williamsburg Music Hall, which is a big room,

so all my New York homies, tell everybody, let's pack that shit. We need to pack that shit. Oh, I'm going home for the holidays. Oh, you go volts. I get so nervous going to see my mom and my parents and stuff. I'm like the black sheep in the family where I just, you know, they're all like doctors and have like family and stuff. And I just roll in from a 25-day bender, you know.

It's like, hey, guys, Merry Christmas. Here's some toys, and I'm going to sleep for two days and then talk to me. But I love them. They appreciate me for who I am. Mom thinks I'm on heroin, which is fucking weird. I don't do heroin. If you see my show, there's no way I could do heroin. Stopped doing the blocaneane too, so I'm feeling good

about everything. My skin's looking better. My hair is getting better. I used to have some bald spots on my beard, but take some vitamin D and stuff. That helped me out. Anywho, we got Michael Angelo Caruba

on the show, speaking of family. That was a great interview. Drummer Turquoise. He was in Trippin' Billy's, Dave Matthews' band, cover band, which is dope. But he came from a wealthy family as well. And the pressure to do something that isn't the family business, like my dad did his commercial real estate. His dad, I forgot what his dad did, but it was something pretty heavy duty.

And basically the struggle of fighting for your dream, you know, that's a tough thing to do. Is when you have so much pressure, it's all mental pressure too, it's like your parents are saying, oh you gotta make money, and why don't you just work in the family business, why you have to do this music thing? Because, Mom, I don't want to fucking do it.

I want to do what I want to do. And I respect that he did that. And he took his parents to the Red Rocks show, and they played Red Rocks. And it's kind of like, yeah, Mom, look what we're doing now. So respect Michael Angelo. You'll love that interview. But, yeah, it's going to be fun. This is a fun episode.

We got one more episode next week. Holiday special. We got Todd Glass, the comedian. You've seen him on Netflix. You know who he is. You probably don't recognize his name, but you'd recognize him. He's everywhere. And I got

my boy Kyle Ayers. It's going to be a holiday extravaganza. That'll be the last one until season two comes out. I'm going to take two weeks off because everyone, you know, it's the holidays and shit. No one's listening to podcasts on holidays. Be with your family. That's the time for you to be with your family. So hang out with your family.

I'll be back right before Jam Cruise. We put out a new single. Records slowly coming in February 22nd. I'm really proud of it. Everyone's been giving me love about these singles. Thank you. I think you'll love this record. I do.

It's the most meaningful thing I've ever written besides my blogs and whatnot. I finally incorporated my blogs into this record and I'm really proud of it. I finally incorporated my blogs into this record, and I'm really proud of it. And I hope you are too. But yes, ladies and gentlemen, let's get on with the interview.

Please, welcome to the stage, Michael Angelo Caruba. All right, I'll catch you on the tail end. Later. Later. And here we go. Another interview. My boy, Michael Angelo Caruba from Turquoise Band. I wanted to add another Turquoise interview because this guy's the man.

He deserves to be heard. He's the drummer of Turquoise. He was in a Dave Matthews cover band that was pretty big and grew up in Buffalo like my boys Akewis. He's just a good dude. He worked hard. His family wasn't really into music and he said, fuck that. I'm going to find my own path. I'm going to do this and make it through. He fought addiction through turquoise and blasted it through.

So enjoy the interview. Place a little turquoise for us, Chris, so we can get pumped up from Michelangelo and we'll make this happen. All right, enjoy the interview, guys. you guys we're here another week Of drummers Oh you're full of them I love it

Drummers are the only people Who really talk to me I think we have like this I don't have anyone else To talk to It's perfect Symbiotic relationship We got Michelangelo

From Turquoise I got How do you really say it Because I got yelled at By Shira Good How do you really say it It's Turquoise Turquoise Oh with a tur hard turn besides the jump turquoise what's

up buddy good to see you how are you I'm really good I'm at the we're at the end of this fall album release tour and I'm tired but what's the difference between an album release tour and just a regular tour? Is it more like press stuff? What's the pressure? Is there pressure? Yeah, it's not overwhelming, but I think when we know that we're on an album release tour,

we have to be conscious of the material that we're playing from a new album, how it translates from studio to live. So artistically, there's that kind of consideration that you're always kind of making. But, you know, and you sign posters and you do more like meet and greets and stuff and autograph signings and stuff,

which really isn't pressure. I love it. But, you know, I think when you're with a group of people that are all like with that kind of like shared goal there's just sort of a overarching we got to make this happen kind of feeling what's the shared goal um to make people happy to give people respite from all this shit that's going on, and to be able to provide for our families doing what we love. Yeah. And bring it as far as we can.

So just being a fucking pro. Yeah, and having fun doing it. Yeah. And making sure everyone else is having fun too, because people don't come to the shows. There is no band. Yeah, it's true. So it's really about that. They don't come to the show if the band's not simpatico either.

Yeah, exactly. That's important. So our shared goal is to, I think, grow as a family and as a band and let that sort of emanate outwards. So I want to go back to when you're talking about making a set list for a CD release tour so you've already said because we've you know you you record these songs what a year ago right two years ago so like how hard is it to like not play those new songs or do you do sprinkle them in through those

two years yeah I think like you know some of them we completely hold back and wait specifically for the album to come out to play them. And other stuff is like, you have to workshop it, especially if it's a song that seems like it has a good live application and there's not a lot of things stylistically or production-wise that hold us back from playing it, if it's like a good green open tune, you got to go out there and play it live and you got to kind of figure out how it lives in that world and not on an album. Do you guys write songs for the live show or do you write songs for the album? We've done it different ways.

How would you do it for this record? A lot of this was written before it was road tested. Really? It was written specifically for an album and poses its challenges on an album release tour. It poses its challenges to decide whether you want to recreate it or you want to reinterpret it. That's really the choice that has to be made. Explain that. Recreate it. Because when you play it

live, is it different than the studio album? Yeah, I think in a fidelity sense. If you take a look at like a band like Radiohead when you see Radiohead live even if you're in an arena it sounds like the record sounds like the record and if you're if if that statement that you made on a record is like exactly what you're going for then I think that that you're in more of a position or have more of a duty to recreate it and if people you know know that that's what they're gonna get then you really have a duty to recreate it. And if people know that that's what they're going to get,

then you really have a duty to recreate it. Whereas reinterpretation, it's sort of an acceptance of this tune or this style. It's almost impossible to perfectly recreate it, or it just has the qualities to be extrapolated on musically. And if it does, then you owe it to yourself to kind of recreate it. Yeah. That's what I think the, the line is.

What, but what about like, is it boring to recreate something you've already created as a musician? Or do you always want to like reinvent the song? It could be, it could be boring, but what I've at least personally found between the last two albums that we've done,

cause we've done stuff that is... How many records are you on with these guys now? I'm on every record. Your original OG? Technically, no. Okay. They had two drummers before me, but they didn't release anything studio-wise.

Anything that was released before I came on was was material that Dave and Taylor had been working on originally as like a duo that were like just producing this thing without like the band being there were you Berkeley too yeah that's where we all met yeah so those two like did a bunch of stuff where as all program drums so anything that was technically released happened when I came on as the live drummer and then it's so it's always technically been me but i'm not you know like technically an original member what the computer was original member you said it was just like computer and then and then they played some shows with two guys that that uh you know i think they did two two or three months

each yeah i think i think i came along like eight months into the iteration of the band, but I don't know. I'm not one of those dudes. Yeah. I'm the dude. You are the fucking dude. But you've had such a crazy career, like musically. You grew up in Buffalo, right?

Yeah. So who were you playing with out there? What made you be the drummer you are today? You hit the kick drum like a fucking G, Michael. You know that. That's why Adam Deitch gave me the name Thunderfoot. I believe in, like, how we learn, like, how I learned to be a musician was just, like, all this angst in my hands, just, like, playing basketball,

playing the power forward position like what what grew you to really want to kick the fucking shit out of the kick drum dude when I was like when I growing up in Buffalo I was playing with like a big band and I was in my high school's music program and it had a really big strong arts program and so I did a lot of playing in different in different applications like I said big band playing in pit orchestras playing in a jazz orchestra playing in a quintet that I had in Buffalo and but what happened was like right at the right around graduation from high school I got a call to fill in with this Dave Matthews tribute band that was going around the country and playing. And it was a good-sized production.

And I was supposed to go to college right off the bat, but I got this call. I did the two fill-in dates, which were right after graduation, like July of 2003. And then they liked what I did. And I had so much fun on those couple of dates that they were like, do you want to just go on the road? Like, do you want to be our drummer? And so I brought it to my parents and they were like, shit.

They're like, all right, go get it out of your system. And so I'll never remember. It was at the Bluebird in Bloomington, Indiana, and it was the first time I was in a big club, or at least from when I was that young, what felt like a big club, and the sound guy just fucking plugged my kick drum in, and I had a big sub next to me,

and I hit the kick drum, and I'll never forget that feeling and then playing the show that night like really riding high on that feeling and like feeling this crazy soul connection between people moving and the way the room felt and the way the air was being pushed controlled by my right foot it was like that was it it was that first boom my right foot it was like that was it it was that first boom and i went fuck like it just fucking lit me up and i've never it's never gone away no shit it was just man i gotta kiss that fucking sound guy on the forehead man he built your career pretty much yeah have you ever thanked him do you know who he is no idea who no idea who he is. Bloomington, Indiana. What year was this? 2003, Bloomington, Indiana.

Dave Matthews' tribute band was Trippin' Billies, and it was me and this dude Eric Crittenden and Ryan Clifford and Jay Gennaro and Danny Marks. But whoever that sound guy was, he definitely changed my life, bro. For the better. No shit. Yeah, and it's funny,

because like I said, Dyche calls me Thunderfoot. So there is something there. No shit. Yeah. And it's funny because like I said, Deitch calls me Thunderfoot. So there is something there. Like some people feel. Oh, because of your pulse. Yeah. I think it's just that. How important is that?

What? Is that fucking thump, that four, what? How important is the bass? In what we do as a big funk band, it's fucking paramount, dude. Explain it. It's fucking paramount. Explain it. It's the rhythmic constant. Nothing else really sits in that zone.

And the job of that part of my body, most of the time in this band with this kind of music, is to just absolutely be like a big, heavy constant that people people always feel and they feel it in their chest and it makes people move and that's what we're trying to do like especially in a funk band we want to make people move and so like it's that's the relationship between the kick drum and the bass are really really important but it starts with the kick drum because you i can sit there on stage everyone else can walk off and i can go and people start moving so that's that's automatically means by process of elimination that's the one thing that like that's where it's at yeah and it's it's lives right here and so like do you think uh drummers are uh underrated in bands

so like do you think drummers are underrated in bands do I think drum double-loaded question underrated like as like cuz really like subconsciously is not the goal but like just musically of getting to one point to the other you know I think who was it? Who said that shit about? It was Buddy Rich. Buddy Rich said, an average band with a great drummer sounds great. A great band with an average drummer sounds average. So I don't think drummers are underrated, like Broadstroke. I think great drummers, the way that we have to do their job is like, you just make it

sound better. It's not like everyone's going to notice. So it's not like they can be really appreciated for it. Because if you do the right thing, if you do what makes a great drummer, great, it just quietly makes everything better. it just quietly makes everything better yeah so it's like you know everyone knows that lettuce is super sick and a lot of it has to do with dyche because his beats are like they don't quit yeah and you listen to dumpster funk with alvin or when nicky was with him and you listen to nth power with nicky and you listen to ghost note with spud and snarky puppy with larnell and jt

like all these bands are great with nikki and you listen to ghost note with spud and snarky puppy with larnell and jt like all these bands are great and it's you know this it it's everyone but like the drummer has a ton to do with it yeah but it's like you know it's i don't want to say thankless but like if you do it right it just kind of happens. There's no fanfare about it. So maybe the appreciation of what a great drummer brings to a band might be underrated or underappreciated, but I think it more has to do with the quality of the drummer, not drummers as a whole. Because I see it's like you've got to be kind of like a – to be a great drummer, you kind of have to be a little alpha.

You have to be – You're pounding on stuff yeah naturally it's an alpha position yeah and you're also dictating time everyone has to agree that what you're that your time is correct you know just emotionally musically as the drummer you're you're you're that's sort of the social contract is this is the time i know this is here and this is where i'm putting it and everyone else jump on board yeah that's kind of a alpha thing you're sticking your proverbial dick in there it's true and and being like this is what it is like serve it up dude i love that analogy because that's so true because my band the only reason my band you know great like you said but beats yeah our drummer

beats keeps that shit down when i go through my banter and stuff he needs to be that pulse yeah that keeps everyone's attention just i'm very envious and i think us as front men are very um thankful yeah for drummers like you. So thank you, Michael Angel. I appreciate it. I love that. So pounding drums. I want to get down.

Do you think – did you have a good childhood growing up? I had a great childhood. Yeah? Like what? What happened? What happened? Like what was so great about it? Like I never,

I never, um, I was given every opportunity that I ever wanted. I was given, I was shown opportunities that I didn't know were a thing. I didn't want for anything. I was, I was supported.

Um, you know, my parents are really good people. My mother and father, I love them to death. And I have a great brother, older brother, Tony. But where did you get all that? There's got to be something in there, like any angst or anything. Yeah, there's a lot of that shit.

A lot of that shit didn't have to do with my childhood. So what does that have to do with? I think... childhood so what what does that have to do with um i think that like you know i'm five foot four and a half five foot five yeah i think there was a little sort of a napoleonic thing to be like you know listen to me motherfucker yeah you know i i uh you know i boxed when i was younger and i liked proving myself i i still probably have a psychological need to do that yeah and and i was a young i was the i was a younger brother and you know it was i think it was sort of a culmination of all things of like i want to be heard i want to be right i and i had a lot of physical i always

was physically aside from my height physically imposing in my attitude in my muscle built like my body build i'm not like i don't look meek i've always been kind of like this yeah and i think i kind of grew into it in some ways good and in some ways probably not so good but you know i i always wanted to pound my fist when i was like a little baby like it was i was always like ah you know really yeah like smashing the table I want more spaghetti like I think that thing was always kind of in me so you know it's it I don't think to pound the way I do necessarily had to come from a bad place I think I'm passionate yeah and when I'm passionate about something that's maybe, when I'm passionate about something that's great,

I pound probably way harder than I do when I'm trying to work something out that's ugly or something that's inside me that needs to get out. I think I have a joy for pounding. Yeah, what about, but like go back to passion, like you're trying to get that passion out of your body, like were you suppressing feelings, like of who you wanted to be versus

who you perceived other people thought you were? Yeah, I mean, you know, I think a lot of it is probably directly to do with my father, is like my father and family in Buffalo, New York have had a successful corporate company that's been around since, you know, the early fifties and it's always been a family business. And the name of the business has my last name in it.

So like I'm all, I was always attached to that and seen as, you know, my brother and I were going to go work for my dad or, you know, take over the business. That's what a lot of people expected. And I think my father had, you know, certainly considered that a possibility for my entire youth. But then when I started to decide on other things, you know know there was a lot of like phone calls when I would be out on the road of like are you tired of this yet like are do you realize that this isn't what you should be doing do you realize that you know you're better off here so I think I think

a lot of it was like dude fucking listen to what I'm doing man listen to this shit like look at this shit and it took like in terms of like fully coming around like I'll tell you the story like we were opening for lettuce at Red Rocks not this past summer but this graduation thank you it was amazing and it was um it was a time when I told my parents i was like you need to come and see this like if you don't come i'm gonna be really disappointed i need you to come and see this and they for whatever reason they don't do that a lot they don't come out and see me a lot um this one i was like you gotta you gotta be here for this and so like they came we had a couple

of great days in denver hanging out and they hadn't been to denver before and so i think that's automatically that kind of like lightened the mood it was like we'll see what i'm doing out here in a different place you get to see this different place too already that's you know sort of a good check mark yeah and then we played the show and i could see right where my mom and dad were standing in like the vip section like 20 rows up by the right by the soundboard yeah and the fucking place was full and i remember it just feeling like it was my first time playing there and that's my first time being there too because i didn't want to go yeah i wanted to go there to play play yeah fuck yeah so i remember like the feeling you feel like everyone's almost gonna fall onto

you it just goes up in such a steep staggering like steep line and i remember seeing my father turning around and looking up at it too and getting kind of a feeling in my chest like oh it's sinking in oh he's getting it you know and then oddly enough like the show was over right when I got off stage I threw up in a garbage can for like two minutes straight and like all he let us his crew's like yo Mikey are you good dude I was like losing my shit into a bucket it was I was just like I was all his emotion and bile and fear and stress and, and appreciation and happiness and relief.

I just vomited it all out. So I like wiped off and then like went up to the green room. My dad was there and he like, kind of like came up to me and hugged me and he was like, I fucking get it now. And it was like, boom. Oh, that makes me want to cry. That, that was like, it took that long to do it. Cause I've been doing this for 15 years.

I've been doing it since 2003. Yeah, you're a grown ass man too. Yeah, I'm 33 years old. Yeah. And i've been doing this for 15 years i've been doing it since 2003. man i'm 33 years old and i've been doing it for a minute and that was you know i had a huge weight off your absolutely and i think uh and i think i noticed that i'm not pounding out of anger anymore i'm taking more joy in the way that i pound. Dude, don't I realize too, man, this is why we related before we even fucking know each other. My dad and parents are the same way. Grew up wealthy, cowbasses. Yeah.

And I just left. I bought a van, said fuck. And I'd call them like, oh, you done with this? You done with this yet? And then it didn't happen until I bring my mom to side of stage for me opening for Snoop Dogg

yeah and to see all the people and she cried yeah outside the stage at a Snoop Dogg show at a Snoop Dogg show I was like

corrupt smoking a blunt right next to my mom you know and she's like it is halftime at the Andy Fresco interview hour. Well, hello, I am Arno Bakker and this is Staying Relevant with Arno Bakker.

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No matter what you go through We're still trying to impress our moms and dads Amen You know Absolutely They raised us And my brother And your brother

You want to make them proud And you want to do it your fucking way Yeah Not the family business Not their way No Your way Yeah Because you know you could You got trained by your dad Who's super successful way yeah not the family business not their way no your way yeah could you

know you could you got you got sure you got trained by your dad who's super successful like the same way your brothers did yeah exactly so like it was but it's you know it's just it's I think in that kind of upbringing there's a tried-and-true system for a way to be successful and so to to deviate upsets the apple cart in it and there's so much uncertainty especially you know if i had chose well dad i want to be a doctor instead i think it would have been a little easier to swallow it might not be the family business but it's something his friends will be like honorably like oh yeah you're so the doctor yeah like that's tight and also you know like, honorably, like, oh yeah, you're still the doctor. Yeah, like that's tight.

And also, you know, like to be a doctor, there's a paycheck involved. For me to go so far the opposite and be like, I'm totally going to go be a musician and no one knows what the fuck that means. I didn't, you know. Same with my parents. And so the level of uncertainty,

that deviation from like the famil norm, was really probably scary. So how were those first 10 years with that fucking weight on your head? You know, you haven't been this successful the whole time. No. You're homegrown in this shit. Yeah, absolutely. We're live bands, and we don't have a fucking single yet. So all we know is what we do live

so that's gonna take time so that 10 years of this fucking angst just like hit like how was that feeling man i would give me so that was what i was going through and i just stayed on the road like i took drugs i suppressed that's exactly did you take drugs or what'd you do i started well i started doing cocaine like right around like right in the beginning like those guys were doing it and everyone out there was doing it and so like i picked it up and uh it was almost almost almost always compensatory with the amount that you tour the amount of drugs you take yeah like it's totally true you know if you're doing like just some fly dates on the weekend it's like all right i get monday through wednesday to cool out yeah but when you're it's when it's a trudge

you know you do more because it's harder to do it's harder to like stay sane especially like you're saying when there is that thing that's in you that's like really really burning and there's no light at the end of any tunnel you keep going down a lot of tunnels like yeah and they just keep connecting into another tunnel have you ever like what was like the worst moment like where you had to like like fuck I'm doing this just to get up like it for me it was I was waking up and taking ecstasy just to start my fucking day. Yeah. Cause I had no serotonin left cause I would just do a bunch of blow and a

bunch of MDMA wiped out for five days. And then for show Sunday, I want to kill everybody, but I have to have that smile. Yeah. You gotta be the front man. Yeah. Like do you ever have any moments like that?

Did the band get like, did you like hide it from your parents or you're hiding from everybody I know you know I mean I my my parents knew about knew about me using cocaine I think a lot of it really came to light when I was getting divorced just like some years back you know I told him that was something that was going on with me and so they knew about it but i mean my band is the those people i spend the most time with and they could see it man because for a long time you know i was doing it but i was handling my shit and i wasn't doing as much cocaine wasn't it it made me start drinking more and like the combination of those

two things for the last like two and a half years three years were really bad and i i started to turn into a fucking blind monster and yeah i had the moment when i was like this is this is, this is going to fucking kill me. Where was it? Where were you? Uh, I was on the floor. Jesus Christ. Uh, we had just played,

which was at the Fillmore in Philadelphia. And we'd gotten an Airbnb right around the corner. And so like there was a party and after party and everyone was there a bunch of people from all three bands and it was a lot of cocaine and I Just I wasn't stopping I could just I could just do more and I saw what was making you do more like in your head Cuz it was there. Oh, yeah, so once you once you're in it, you don't want to stop No, I was I was was never like a person to be like yeah i'll do a bumping and then go to bed have a chianti yeah yeah like read the news and go to bed like no like i'm going till the bag's done yeah and then we might call a motherfucker for another one yeah you know but but that night that morning really

fuck it six seven in the morning i was laying on the floor of the bedroom upstairs we had to like leave in two and a half hours three hours and i was so fucking high and shira was on the in laying in the other side of the room and i could like i could see her and i remember looking at her not being able to say the word she knew what was going on with me, but I was kind of screaming through my eyeballs. Like, I can't fucking do this anymore. I don't want to feel like this anymore. Nothing is, this isn't doing me any good. I mean, I was crying through my eyes, but I was so high I couldn't cry.

It's the worst fucking feeling, man. You know? And it's like, that was a big wake-up call and then the last jam cruise i was i really beat myself up on jam cruise and right after that that was really the the the end there was so many conversations i had with people that like i really respect and look up to and share music with so many of those conversations i didn't remember and i thought that was a real fucking waste you're like man you get to be around all these people like and you're so fucked up you can't remember what happened you

know and I couldn't remember most of what was happening just around me I was in such a fucking blur I didn't care I didn't care about like anything and right after that I got clean February 9th I told you I was going to play at the snarky puppy for my birthday thank you yeah I was cleaning your birthday thanks Bobo I just you know so what I had it had to change what happened February 9 I was leaving the drive down there cuz I was gonna play with Roosevelt I was earlier yeah at ground up for his big he had like a big jam session one of the late nights his band was playing which was really dope his album route 16 is tight you should check it out get on the show Roosevelt yeah Rosie

we'll talk a jam cruise but yeah that's right I'll get you so I was driving down there and I decided that I wasn't gonna party for that weekend because I have the utmost respect for everybody in that crew and all the people that Mike League had curated to come there, people like Jojo Mayer and Mark Giuliano doing a really cool dual master class. I was like, I got to remember this stuff. Josh Redman was going to be there. Lino Deweke was there.

So many amazing people, and I just wanted to hold myself to a better standard for those three days were you making an ass out of yourself or this was all in your head? I don't know I mean yeah I think I was I think there's you know people that aren't in my band that I see that are in the music scene that were like yeah man you were

going fucking hard I was I mean I was like you know I was thank god we didn't party on the fucking jankers then we would have egged each other on because i was going pretty hard too then they'd have to send us the davy jones locker dude that would not have been good so you so you're you're getting yeah no seriously we wouldn't have won the boat jail oh yeah i'm glad we're friends now so now we're like mature like next jam like hey well sushi and yoga with carl denson all right so explain this explain this so i was

i was leaving pinehurst north carolina where i have had been living and living up until like this summer i was leaving to drive down there i was driving alone and um i just started listening to jim croce like a couple months prior and it was like four in the morning and I was leaving drive to Miami so it was a long drive but um the song I Got a Name by Jim Croce came on and I was really listening I was like it was I was fresh it was the early morning I was I was actively listening as I was driving and like the lyrics all of a sudden, like Jim Croce, like came out of the fucking stereo and was like,

Hey, listen up. And it was like the pine trees lining the winding road. And I'm leaving Pinehurst, North Carolina on a winding road. And it's literally perfectly like artistically lined with pine trees and i'm like whoa seeing i got a name i got a name uh i got a song in me that my father can't hear oh guys he's singing to you i was like fuck dude this is fucked up and

then it's got that great turnaround he's like really got him up and right when that turnaround happened i started bawling crying and i probably cried for two the first two hours of that drive and i knew it was just like i was i was getting it out and then when I got there it wasn't a put on I wasn't like I'm trying to be I was just all of a sudden after that moment I was who I am now

yeah just like fucking happened and it's been there's been some hard moments but I've also I know how convicted I am about that being the past for me. And that pinnacle moment, like, shit. That's so special. The release, like to fuck up that beautiful moment

you're going to have for the rest of your life. It would be just so, such a shame. Yeah. It's something I'm not willing to sacrifice, you know? And so, like, you i did i did jazz fest this year 12 days completely sober and was in the heat up stayed up till you know six eight seven in the morning with everyone with plates of whatever flying around and straws and it getting past me people not knowing that i made that choice of people like do you want to bump and comfortably

saying no i'm good man thank you not making a big deal out of it but just like strong it was strong dude i'm proud of myself for doing it i really am days of jazz jazz fast the way with the people that we you know the circles we run in it gets gets hard it gets hot yeah the party is always a party and especially like it's like jam cruise where everyone's together again yeah you only see each other once a year normally you know or a week a year a tour a year yeah you know like yeah a little bit during festival season but it's definitely one of the big reunions of everybody so we all go hard you know so that part of me is gone it's great so are you right are you playing

better music because of it i'm in the i think I'm in the best drumming shape of my life. Yeah? Yeah. You feel good about that? Yeah, I really do. And I know it has to do with getting my mind right. If you could tell 18-year-old Michelangelo from 33-year-old Michelangelo,

what would the advice you'd give him? Let it go. Let what go? Whatever. Just let it go, man. That's been the thing that has held me back probably the most, is an inability to let go.

Me too. At least as far as I've tried to boil it down. All the issues. Issues I still have now now things i still need to let is it like stay out of our own ways in a way stay out of your own way or just let go that make sure you do the when you have an issue like make sure you give it its proper attention but like acceptance has to come with anything. Like at some point you can't just, you can't keep the ball up anymore. Sometimes you just have to let something rest.

You make a decision and hopefully you're making it for the best intentions of yourself and the people around you. But like after that's done, like let it go. You know, like my, my divorce was something I was having a really hard time letting go of. Divorced someone in your band?

No, I was married. You were married? I got married in 2010. To who? This girl was a woman, Betsy Donner, who I knew back in Buffalo. Oh, so you went back to the past. Yeah, and that was great. There was no problem with that.

That was a natural relationship that grew in a great way when it happened. It was letting go of guilt or not being able to let go of what I had done and how I had screwed it up and letting go of the fact that, well, yeah, I'm a musician. Like I'm going to be gone. Like that's part of the thing, like accepting myself for who

I am and what I do. Like that ability to like just let go and be at peace with certain things. I would, I would inform myself to do that because I guarantee you all the biggest issues I've had in my life somehow were rooted in not letting something go. And a lot of it's pain. And a lot of it's guilt. It will kill us. It could. Unless you let it go.

Yeah, and that's the most important thing. Do you think you're living now with this free mind, free space, everything? Do you think now you're officially living your dream so well yeah uh somebody you're always doing that somebody asked me when i when i hit like uh i hit a hundred days clean and i think josh schwartz my sex player in Turquoise, asked me, he was like, how do you feel?

And I was like, I feel 100 days old with 33 years experience. Holy shit. You know what I mean? Explain that. It's like a second chance. It's like I'm 100 days old because I know that the decision I've made for myself is the right one. I know that I'm on the path, at least, to being the person I know I should be and I know I want to be. And all that other stuff that happened before, I learned from.

You know, from what I could remember of it, I learned from it. And so I have all that experience, but I'm only a hundred days old because I'm, I'm finally on the right path. And you can say, I've always been on the right path. So why aren't I 33 years old? I cut out the thing that was going to kill me. Yeah. And so now I'm free. You're like a new man. Exactly. And so that's what that,

that's what I meant when I. So being a hundred years old, a hundred days old, a hundred days, sorry, a hundred years, I'd be old as fuck. You look good.

Fish oil. It's all fish oil. Yeah. You being a hundred days, a hundred day old now, or not now at that moment. Yeah. Um, if you could have brunch with three people dead or alive at this point in your life and then go back and

then same question but with like 27 year old Michael when you're hopped up on drugs yeah what would be the different who what would be the difference between the people you want to see have brunch with and have a conversation with? I don't know that those people would be different. I think.

Same? I think they would be the same but I think I'd probably be talking a lot more at the 27 year old brunch. It's the most important thing in the wicked world.

I think a 33 year old brunch I'd be listening a lot more. But I think it would be the same people. Dave Chappelle. Fuck it. What do you love about Dave? His confidence and his honesty.

Yeah, me too. I think those are the two things that... And how he could reflect his words, his mind. His mind is a beautiful thing. To articulate to people like us who aren't as smart, or to the sheeple who are even dumber. You know?

I said it, not Michael. Hey. This is your podcast, bro. But, yeah. So, Dave Chappelle. Um, but yeah, so Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle. Um, my grandfather that I didn't get to grow up with. What, what, what, what stories you know about him that makes you so fascinated?

Uh, what he did for his family and how he did it. Did he create the company? He did. So that was his idea, his brainchild? Yeah. I mean, you know, it wasn't really that high-minded. He had one body shop on the west side of Buffalo and grew it into what's now, you know, 18 body shops all over New York State and corporate sponsorships of major league sports teams.

What would you ask him? I'd ask him a lot about the stuff that I don't know and there's a reason I don't know, I would be like, all right, you got to tell me now. Oh, yeah. So there's a lot of... It's like family dirt. Yeah, like, yeah, more or less. Any philosophical stuff? I don't think he was

that philosophically minded. I think he was very ambitious but had to work in the confines of what his education were and what you know people would allow of him you know we were a sicilian immigrant family that did what they had to do from the jump to make it to where we are now and so you guys are from sicily where i mean yeah my my relatives caruba and my mother's side of the family are also what so. You guys are from Sicily? I mean,

yeah, my relatives, Karuba, and my mother's side of the family are all Sicilian. What, first gen, second gen? No,

it would be there. My grandfather's father was the first to come here. Holy shit. my grandfather and my father and me, so I'm third generation. Same. Sicilian, third gen. I fucking knew we were homies, dude I'm third generation. Same. Sicilian, third gen.

I fucking knew we were homies, dude. Right, dude? Dude. You got, oh my God. Okay, so you have your grandfather. Yeah. You have Chappelle. And now, who's the last person?

Who's the last on this list? Selma Hayek. Selma? I'm so attracted to Selma Hayek. Oh, this is just a blind date. Yeah, and I think, you know, I just want to be around her because I think she's so wonderful.

Yeah? What do you like about her? What do I like about her? She's funny as fuck, too. Yeah, and she has this, I think, this great smile. She has very open eyes. I think they allow people in, and I really like that quality about her.

I like her accent. Yeah, I love her accent. She's a down female know she's just super cool yeah down to earth yeah she's super cool and i and i i want to give her a kiss on the cheek yeah you'll get you'll get all that someday you will i love you so much man speaking of selma hayek oh she's hot as but we don't i don't want to bother you. Cool. Can I keep talking to you? Yeah, absolutely.

Okay, cool. I love this. I love this too. This is like, I'm getting to know you, bro. Like really on a down to earth level.

Like, you know, it's like whenever we meet, whenever you meet someone new, like we're okay. So backtrack, we're on tour for a week with these guys. Um,

we only really had a couple of conversations, uh, you know, just like, you know, cocktail, you know, party hour,

you know, and, um, now to get to know you on this level and like how much similar, a couple conversations, just like cocktail, party hour. And now to get to know you on this level and how much similar, because the angst is real. But I feel like it made you a better drummer too. It made you, it's like that competitive nature that makes us want to be the best and how we want to just bust people's ass every night because that's what it is.

So with that being said, you being in this band, is this the dream? Is this what you want to do? Do you want to keep going with it? Do you want to have your own party? What is the next 10 years with this sober mind state of what you want to do with your life? I'm doing exactly what I want to do right now

and I have the things that I want to do in addition on the burner. Everything is, for the first time I actually have like a five or ten year plan, at least personally. And yeah, I mean, I love Turquoise. I love the people in Turquoise. And from day one, I've been down willing to go as far as it will take me and take us. So that's, you know, I'm in it to win. And they're on the same ride.

Yeah, and that's why it works. That's why the illogical thing that is Turquoise works. So what can you tell a young musician trying to tour, like when they're trying to find a group of guys that like, okay, these are my ride or dies. What characteristics do you look for in like when you're like picking your guys like it's like you're basically getting married to 27 motherfuckers dude like well you know it's funny at least in my

experience like I didn't I wasn't picking I I guess kind of got picked but I guess the agreement to all do this together, it wasn't like I got to take time and do a checklist of like, does this person have what I want? It really just comes through in the beginning, spending enough time being in enough musical and non-musical situations, to see how people are. You kind of have to judge them on the merit of their actions over a little bit of time. That's sort of, I guess, how I went through the checklist was we started touring and a lot, and spending a lot of time

and generally I love almost everything about everyone in my band. So that's, it kind of had, it kind of had to be a process of trial and error. You know, I didn't get to like, be like,

check you off and like watch a movie of your life first and be like, oh yeah, that's pretty cool. I'll, I'll be with you. You know, you have to live a bit. You have to be willing to sacrifice.

Yeah. So if I was going to tell a band that wants to tour, you better be willing to sacrifice. Yeah. You know, don't, you know, have your own hard lines that like things that you better be willing to sacrifice yeah you know don't you know have your own hard lines that like things you're not willing to put up with and hopefully if you're around people that have virtues or morals like that then everything should

jive yeah you're totally right but you better be ready to fucking forget about yeah be ready to fight and like be ready to like sleep on some floors in the beginning. How many years was that? Damn, how did you motherfuckers sleep on floors with all you people? I mean, we had to find some people with big houses. Oh my God. What was the worst sleeping arrangement you ever had on a tour in the beginning years? Me and Taylor sleeping in the basement of this person's house that we didn't know, that I think Josh knew. this person's house that we didn't know that like,

I think Josh knew. And I was on like a, like a folding table with a sleeping bag on it. And Taylor was just on a pile of dirty laundry, their dirty laundry, not even his own. He was on someone else's dirty laundry. And I remember something happened.

We were both trying to pass out. And I remember him, his head popping up from like a mound of just ugly clothing and like having like a someone else's sock kind of like draped over his ear and he just his head popped up over this mountain of dirty clothes like a dog oh my god and i was like these are these are the rough times this is this is the grind this is the grind but i remember that moment with me as well We played at Frat House And then we had to sleep at the Frat House And like It was like in Charlottesville

And So the band We all had to sleep on the fucking couches In the living room Those are like the dirtiest fucking couches on the planet So I woke up And I started having red

Red eyes Oh no And I got pink eye I found out the fuck I found out the fuck. I found out the pillow I was on. I looked at the pillow. Cum. Crusty cum.

Dude. I got so fucking nervous, dude. I was like, what? We got to get the fuck out of here. This is bullshit. I had to go to like a fucking. I was like 20. I'm like, I didn't know if I had like fucking chlam fucking... I said, no. I was young. I was 20. I didn't know if I had fucking chlamydia

in the fucking eyeball. That's super gross. But on that note, Michelangelo. That's the hustle. That's the hustle, right? That's the hustle. But you wouldn't want it any other way.

You look back now. Look at us now. We're fucking... We're doing it. We're selling tickets for our own fucking bands. For our music, yeah. You know?

All those years of fucking sleeping on dirty laundry, getting pink eye with jizz from a frat kid out of Virginia. Thanks Michael or whoever the fuck that was. Whatever, it's all, thanks fucking Chad. We do it because we love it, right? It's for the love of the game. And you have to love the game.

If you don't love the game and you just love the music, fucking, just write fucking songs, right? Yeah, yeah. Is that the moral of the story? Yeah. You know,

I think the moral of the story is it takes a certain kind of psycho to want to do this. Yeah. But I think really, I'm that kind of psycho. Me too. You know,

if we're the, if, if, Cheers to being psychos, Brad. We'll do that kind of psycho Michael Angelo I don't want to say goodbye let's just say to be continued to be continued I've had a great time with you I really appreciate your friendship and I just want to let you know I have your back thank you but whenever you have a

fucking relapse you hit me up right guys okay you to hear I'm gonna text you dick pics you're gonna get it you're to get it all. Don't worry. It's going to be pixelated. It's going to be like Asian porn. Yeah, Japanese it out. Japanese it out. And I'll just know what you meant. Love you, buddy.

Thanks for being on the show. Thank you. He's talking shit about the game. He's got a weird fucking name. It's Sports with Dolav 14-9. What the fuck? God damn it, Jazz. Come on, man. This was supposed to be our goddamn year. The Clippers are number one right now? Are you kidding me?

We're better than every single team in the goddamn league. Here the fucking Lakers are, 14-9, owning our ass. Can't buy a fucking win. Why? Because the goddamn NBA is rigged. All the referees. Fuck the refs. All the fucking media.

They fucking suck it. All the dick. But we gotta figure this shit out, man. Supposed to be number one this year We're coming back At least number two behind the Warriors This is gonna be our fucking year We're a quarter of the way through the season We just traded for Kyle Korver That's what's up

Donovan Mitchell Take it to another fucking level We're coming back Fuck LeBron Fuck Lonzo Fuck all of them Love Korver Glad he's back

We need some goddamn shooting Fuck the Lakers Fuck you, Chris Fuck you, Frasco. It's Sports with Dola. Fuck! What's up, guys? It's your boy, Andy. I want to tell you that I will be on the Todd Glass podcast. Super hilarious comedian. He's got so much stuff on Netflix. He's just a legend. And I found out he is a fan of our band. And he's been fucking freaking out that I agreed to be on his show. I don't get it. I don't know if he's fucking with me or not, but I'm

bringing a lot of mushrooms. It's his birthday. And we're gonna see what happens i'm gonna be on the show december 21st so i'll do some posts just tell you but this guy's crazy as fuck you gotta hear this voicemail he sent me he just keeps on sending me all this crazy shit and i've never met this guy before pray for me but i'm gonna i'm gonna get i'm them on some mushrooms and have a real conversation, and we're going to write some weird-ass songs, but check this out, check this out. Oh, my God, it's nine days to Frasco in the U.N. in the barn. Wow.

Nine days, and I am so excited. Look, I get excited. It's fun. I enjoy doing stand-up. I'm not excited. Look, I get excited. It's fun. I enjoy doing stand-up. I'm not saying like I'm sitting around my house doing nothing. But I'm talking about like extra excited. Like first time I saw Disneyland. That's how excited I am that Andy Frasco is going to be playing in the barn.

And I love it. I'm going to make it like a big. I'm going to treat like the minute you walk in my front door it's like if I had a a frasco glass Christmas you know we just come in hot chocolate we're going to make the whole night it's going to be like shut the fuck up

I think it's funny that I'm freaking out like can you imagine me during the day John what is the saxophone player's name? Say it. Say it. Ernie? Say it quicker. Ernie. Ernie. If he walks in here, you extend your

hand out. Let me tell you something. If anyone's more excited than me, I want to fucking meet him. I'm sick of this shit, and I'm sick of the disrespect I get. Wow. Get on the Glass Fresco holiday birthday

train! And there we have it. Michelangelo Karuba, my boy Dolav, you heard from Arno that's it thank you for listening subscribe to the podcast you know rate us tell all your friends it's nice to get all this love i'm getting from the podcast thank you for texting me all the homies and all the bands all the homies and all the bands who are watching who are fighting thank you we're in this together and all the listeners of music and thanks for hearing our stories this is fucking cool

we have an outlet we got one more episode next week holiday special who? Maybe we'll have, what's that guy? Not Jesus. Oh, Santa Claus. His perks of being Jewish. We got Santa Claus maybe on the show. Maybe some Hanukkah Harry. We got some comedians. It's going to be a good one.

It's going to be a little different than we normally do. We're going to end the new year right, fresh, and then on to season two. Yes. We're going to season two. I got a lot of awesome interviews coming up. I'm doing Jam Cruise, interviewing a bunch of fucking people. And then I'm going to Rock Boat, interviewing a bunch of people. And then hopefully I'll get all these other people who want to be on the show too.

So if you know any interviews you want me to, or interviewees you want me to interview, holler at a boy. Find my tour dates. I'm literally putting out a record. So I'm on tour for the next two years straight. So hope you like the singles. Hope you like what we're doing. I'm really proud. This new year is going to be really awesome. Podcast is growing. The band's growing. We're growing. Life is good.

Be careful. Have a great holiday season. I won't see you New Year's Eve. Won't be able to talk to you New Year's Eve. So be safe. Don't drink too much. If you're going to go out to these fucking band shows, I know it's a fucking party,

but drink water. You're going to take all this fucking molly and take all this fucking catamain fucking band shows. I know it's a fucking party, but drink water. You're going to take all this fucking Molly and take all this fucking catamane or whatever you're doing. Just drink water. Know your limit. It's okay to leave the party early. Okay?

Four o'clock is cool. You don't have to stay up until 8 a.m. Fucking crazy animals. Anyway, love you guys. Subscribe to the podcast. rate it um we'll see you next week so it's gonna be fun holiday special baby all right love you comb your hair wear a condom and i will see you next fucking week arno give me some love well thank you for listening to episode 31 of andy fres's World Saving Podcast.

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