Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 313: News w/ Nick pt2

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Andy and the boys are on sojourn, sailing the seas of ease aboard the 311 Cruise. And because nature abhors a vacuum, Nick takes the microphone once again, aided by his buddy-in-arms Drew Birch, tackling variegated topics, such as THE NEWS. Trust Nick & Drew: the only true, fake-newsworthy source of seretonin based factoids and cultural musings you could hope to find this side of the trivia-sphere. Now you can see these rock n' roll ding-dongs in color, should you choose to watch this episode *exclusively* on Volume.com We're psyched to partner up with our buddies at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us who you think the essential American rock band is today: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Nick Gerlach, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Mara Davis

Hey everybody! I'm clapping to get the energy up. Well I'm having those people clap to get the energy up because guess what? How's your hearts? How's your minds? I hope your minds aren't too let down because the great Andy Frasco will not be here this week on this week's episode. He is unfortunately still wrapping up his tour and it's pretty hard to get a podcast done with Andy when he is in the middle of the Bahamas and I am in a basement somewhere

in Denver. As you can see, he caught me at the roads today. I'm doing a little writing maybe for my next album. Or maybe this is just the only place I could find to record. It doesn't really matter does it? Andy will be back next week. He's I think this is like the end of his tour So he'll be doing like one-offs the band will be going to They're going to Rhode Island next weekend and a bunch of other places. They're going to Atlanta for 420 all that stuff So I'm sure all of you already have tickets

Speaking of tickets, I hope you got tickets Last week. I went and saw Andy in Indiana, my home sweet home sweet home. They played the Hi-Fi, which is like a, I don't know if you are from Indiana or if you've been there, it's like a newer, like 450 cap venue. They also have like an outdoor venue right there in Indianapolis. Of course, Andy sold it out. This toy seems to be the only band out there that's trending up in ticket sales right now, so I gotta

Think I have to start making more Instagram reels I guess to get the Coltet name out there a little more but oh well It was an awesome show yet Ali as you heard on the podcast last week. I love her She's one of my favorite people ever I think she's like the perfect addition to that band too. They needed like, I don't want to say female energy, that sounds too on the nose, but you know, just a little softer side up there. And Ali does bring that. Also, she's like one of the best fiddle players around, great performer. So it's like a really good ad for them. And I love that there's like two Ali's. There's like Ali Kroll, there's Ali

Condon and Ali Kroll is like the old rocker that still comes out. Not old, but you know, her old rock side. And Allie Condon is the sweet mother that she's developed into now that she has a kid, my friend. So, she's been like a perfect addition for them. She was also really fun on the podcast last week. So shout out Allie.

Yeah, so I have the podcast machine this week. Yeah, Indiana was dope. It's just like, I guess anyone who knows, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yes, I have the podcast machine this week. Yeah, Indiana was dope. It's just like, I guess anyone who knows, whenever you go somewhere that you're from,

and you go back and you do, whenever I go to Indiana, there's three things I got to do. I got to go to the Mousetrap, which I did. I actually played a gig at the Mousetrap. Shout out to my band I had there. I had my old friend Sleepy. You may remember him. He was the drummer and Cosby sweater and then a turbo suit. And we also have played hundreds of jazz gigs around indie together. And then I had this guy, Sean McGowan

on keys and this dude, AJ Jones on bass. So I didn't meet till the day of the show really, but they were like killing local professionals. The show was great. We sold a pretty good amount of tickets, but all my originals If you are one of the people that listens to the pod that came out I thank you more than the other people unless you don't live in Indiana then I guess you have an excuse But yeah, Andy show was dope. It was sold out. I got a Fort Wayne koozie from some guy in the crowd I don't know who it was. I think he might have just messaged me on Instagram, but shout out to you I will use that for my La Croix's my beautiful beautiful Pamplemousse La Croix's which is just grapefruit by the way. Okay. Yeah, Indiana

It's really kind of becoming a much better city And I want to get on that because me and Andy have been doing this thing where we're both running for mayor there And since I have your ear now, I'm going to give you my pitch. We are, I got a boo for this during the show when he told the crowd, when he told me to give my pitch to the crowd and I want to annex Carmel and this isn't because I think Carmel is some good place. And if you don't know about Carmel, it's sort of like the Bel Air of Indianapolis is in another County.

It's where, where the, uh, the upper crust to live. And then they commute into India and they use all our roads and they create all these potholes and they drive up the, you know, the inflation. Cause they're spending a lot of money places, but they're not, they're not putting any tax revenue in Indiana. So that's going to be one of my, uh, my platforms is we're going to, we're going to annex Carmel. Okay.

Plus they have really good high school sports teams. You know, they got people going pro all the time and you know how important high school sports is there Another thing about Indiana is right when I was landing which made me feel right at home as I was coming in on 70 or 65 Into Indianapolis from yeah 70 into the airport in from the airport to town and I saw way off in the distance What could only be the clouds that would form a tornado Later that day. I'm not sure if it touched down, but it was definitely some sort of tornado was brewing off in the distance and I I said I'm home and I got me into I don't know if anybody else has gotten sucked into this it's starting to be

tornado season and My tik-tok slash yeah, I still I have tik-tok. Okay, I don't make them, but there's funny shit on there. Okay, you can judge me. I'm in my forties. I have a TikTok account, all right? The funniest people in the world are on TikTok. You can watch Stephen Colbert all you want. I'll be on TikTok watching 21 year olds make fun of boomers

for being capitalists. So basically I've been getting like 400 tornado TikToks a day and that also led me to watching that new Netflix documentary about the Joplin tornado, which is called, I think, Twister Caught in the Storm. Not a very good documentary. It's one of those Netflix ones where they clearly, it almost seems like AI made it, but it would even be somehow, the interviews would be better if AI made it. They just interview like seven people that were in the storm.

And none of their, I don't know, it's their story. But some of it does seem a little exaggerated and made up. Like when they said they saw a blue sky in the middle of the eye of the storm and stuff like that. But it was a harrowing tornado in Missouri. But I would recommend not watching that. And instead just go on YouTube and watch something some meteorology nerd who would have been into trains and gotten tornadoes instead if you know what I mean. Look at some video they made.

They're like a hundred million times better. So yeah, Indiana, great. Tornadoes, everything's cheaper there. Everything is cheaper in Indiana. I even bought people that weren't my girlfriend dinner. And you know that I don't like to do stuff like that. It sort of reminds me, after like three days, I'm kind of done in Indiana. It's sort of like if you've ever been to Vegas or if you've ever been to New Orleans,

you know, you love it the first day. The second day you might be recovering. The third day you trick yourself into going to a tourist attraction or get some a good meal, and then you're ready to go home by the third day. And I think it's like that with Indiana too, except for like in the opposite reason. In New York and New Orleans, you're ready to go home after three days because of the intense sensory overload you felt and how much fun you have and how you're overwhelmed by everything

there is to do. Like New York City is like this too, but in Indiana it's the opposite. You're like, oh my God, I'm so bored and you remember why you moved to Denver. I know it sounds like I'm being hard on Indiana, but I'm from there and I'm allowed to. It also has some of the best people in the country live there. Very funny, very down to earth. I feel very attractive when I'm there. Everybody seems to be doing pretty good. I don't know. It seems like all my friends there, it's like the two polar opposites. They're either owning a $600,000, well, what would be a $800,000 house here, two kids, good job, future laid out, still looking healthy and good, wife still hot, or they're like on the brink of prison and you know, they're like they're

drinking for breakfast and stuff like that. So I don't know, I'd like to see a little more of them the middle range on that. I don't know. Now Indy, Indy's getting better though. Getting better every time. Coltet showed the mousetrap was dope. I did have the beef stew. If you ever had the mousetrap, you got to have the beef stew. That's pretty at the mousetrap you got to have the beef stew

That's pretty much the wrap-up for for last week for Indiana. I'm gonna have my buddy drew on we're gonna do a little segment at the end We're gonna talk a little bit about this trivia show Maybe for a couple minutes that he's been helping me shoot and I have a fun little trivia game. We're gonna play together he's a real funny guy he's been doing he's actually been doing all the video for my trivia show, but he is one of the best like hip hop producers in town too. So it's pretty, he's a pretty interesting guy. I'm going to have him on just to, you know, add a little flavor to the podcast here. And before I get into my next, I'm going to get into some music news next, but before I do that, we've got to shout out our title sponsors over there at Volume.

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For instance, you're getting an experience for $5 a month. Some other people out there, some schmuck, some loser is going to spend over $12,000 for something in the music industry that other people are getting paid to do. I don't know if you've heard about this. Gene Simmons, he's the, I mean if you don't know who he is, he's the, maybe the biggest narcissist in music. Not that I'm not a Kiss fan, he is a bass player in Kiss, the guy with the tongue. I'm Kiss, you know, they have their place in music, they're important for a show, but I think that Gene Simmons is a pretty insufferable guy and I don't think I'm the first person or and won't be the last person to tell you that. And he's offering this new program. He's calling it a basically he's eliminating the VIP and he's making you an indentured servant for the day, but you pay him $12,000. Here's a breakdown. Here's the in his

words. Here's what Gene Simmons said, and I can't do his voice. You meet at the hotel where you have breakfast together or, you know, whatever floats your boat. So, he's already trying to get out of having breakfast with you, which who the hell would want to have breakfast with that guy in the first place? Who knows what he probably has some weird diet. He's going to talk about himself the whole time and all the women he had sex with and who knows if that was even up to par. But you know, Gene Simmons is gonna sit there and have breakfast with you and then he said you're gonna ride with him to the gig, okay, so you get to get back in the back of a Pontiac Grand Prix with the rider

from the venue and ride with Gene Simmons while he talks about himself some more. You probably have to put the windows down because the guy's air conditioning doesn't work. Then you help him set up amplifiers and drums to your heart's content. Are you fucking kidding me? Someone's going to pay you 12 grand? First of all, is this a union violation? I feel like, is someone going to lose their job over this?

I feel like he might get sued by the union. He's playing some real venues, so I assume. This is like the ultimate like boomer fame thing. Like I do think that this kind of thing won't exist down the road just because people don't realize how fucking famous Kiss was. They were extremely, extremely famous and to a way that only Taylor Swift can do now. But obviously she has like some tact and some level of morality so she wouldn't charge you 12, first of all she doesn't need the fucking money, she wouldn't charge you 12 first of all she doesn't need the fucking money she wouldn't charge you 12 grand to

hang out with her for the day and pay for everything and set up her amplifiers and probably tune her guitar. I don't know who would pay for this. This is the boomer fucking archetype of fame right here. You pay to hang out with it's like baseball. Remember they have those like they would have like those fantasy baseball camps for old men to go play with, like, whatever, Johnny Bench or something for a week, and you get to play on a baseball diamond and get struck out by former Major League picture who are trying to pay for their alcohol habit?

This is like the rock and roll version of that. And then, you know, it's like, wow, I can't believe Gene Simmons finally did something sleazy 77 years into his life. Which is crazy that he's almost 80 and he still needs the money that's bad. Kiss is one of the whole, like, they gotta be one of the highest grossing rock bands of all time. They have that movie Detroit. The movie Detroit Rock City might be actually better than Kiss. Here's this quote. Here's how he, this is a man that's so insufferable and sleazy that he once got cut off in an interview by Terry Gross on NPR.

The softest, most giving woman in the history of journalism cut off Gene Simmons. That's how insufferable he is. Here's another quote he had about it. When I was a kid and went to see shows, I was always curious. What's it like when they're in a hotel? What's it like when the stage is being set up? What's it like being on stage when they're performing and seeing the audience from the stage?

He told that to the New York Post. But that's insane. When kids sit around and dream about that stuff, they don't dream about being the roadie. No one dreams about being the roadie. No one dreams about being the accountant at the tech company. No one dreams about being the video guy for a Major League Baseball team. No, they dream about being the center fielder. They dream about being the guy that created whatever NBA 2k25. Not the guy that helps to draw the characters. They

dream it. They don't dream about carrying your amp for you. They dream about being the guy on stage. And when they say watching the crowd from on stage, they don't mean you doing it from side stage. You want to be on stage and when they say watching the crowd from on stage they don't mean you doing it from side stage. You want to be on stage. Also that's the dumbest way to watch a Kiss show possible. You could argue the only thing good about Kiss is the live performance. Which kind of gets me. Maybe Andy Frasco has a little, they have a really good live performance. I wonder if he's inspired by Kiss at all. His music is much better than Kiss to me but I wonder if he was inspired by the great Gene Simmons for his live show. Like,

the whole point of watching a Kiss show is not to watch it from the side. So my point is, I don't know if this sold yet or what's going on with this. Do, like, is this like the lamest thing you could possibly do? Is the person that does this the biggest loser in the world? And should his wife, because you know, only a man would do this. No woman would do this, because number one, Gene Simmons would try to sleep with her immediately. That's pretty well documented, unless he's a liar, which is very possible. Only a man would do this. Only a, it's like, you know, the same guy that's still collecting baseball cards in his 70s. Only a man would do this. And at what point of delusion and parasocial, this is like the ultimate parasocial relationship,

at what point of parasocial psychosis are you to give a guy almost 13 grand? You could buy a used 2010 Honda Accord for that money. You know? But flip it. Fix it up and flip it. No, you're going to go it. Fix it up and flip it. No, you're going to go hang out with one of the most insufferable guys in rock and roll and do work. It'd be funny if they like, I wonder what the insurance thing is there because you know it's going to be an older guy. So I wonder what the insurance protocol there is like if the guy hurts his back or something,

carrying something. This kind of got me to thinking, is this the end of idolatry in the music industry and where is this part of the human psyche going to go? Because it has to go somewhere. Nothing just disappears. It's like one of those laws of thermodynamics or whatever, where energy can never be created or destroyed. It's just transferred. I don't know the exact words, but energy can't be destroyed. It's just changing and I don't know the exact words but energy can't be destroyed It's just changing to other things and I just wonder if this kind of spare parasocial relationship You know besides like the Taylor Swift fans and their late 30s, you know with two kids going online to Be racist to Beyonce like where's that gonna go? And I kind of think it's gonna go to like streamers like Kaisa not

speed all those people Instead, I don't know. I just don't, I just can't, I can't imagine paying more than 10k to, because he's probably 5'4 right, since he's that famous and he's wearing heels. You gotta pay 12k. I wonder if someone's gonna have to give him up ease or something to get something off the top cabinet or something like that. I don't know. It's fun to hate on Kiss though. And I'm also a little torn on Kiss because they are like a pretty fun band. They represent something. Like I do want to rock and roll all night, and I do kind of want to, I don't know if I want to party every day, but I want to party

once or twice a week. So they do kind of represent a part of the human psyche that's like, it's there but that doesn't mean it's good. I don't know. I also think they're really bad at their instruments. That's one thing. They're just like a terrible, terrible, terrible band. Tech bros ruining everything. They're ruining South by Southwest now. They're not. Okay, so I looked into this more. The headline sort of made it seem like they're getting rid of music completely, which would be pretty bad, but also pretty on brand with how the concert industry is going in general. But South by Southwest is getting rid of music for the whole closing weekend of the thing. And this means like, so only seven days out of nine

are gonna have music. So this rate in three or four years, there'll be no more music at South by Southwest. It's just gonna be a conference for the same people I've been making fun for four years on here, the Tech Bros. And like, I don't know what Tech Bros, like you already have a billion dollars. I don't know what their obsession is right now

with making themselves cool. You can see Jeff Bezos doing it. He's getting plastic surgery getting a hot wife wearing shiny That's a really a clear sign that a guy Over 55 or whatever is trying to be cool And like one of the number one things when you know that they're getting a little Midlife crisis see and trying to be cool the shiny button-down. Okay, or the very tight crisis and trying to be cool, the shiny button down, okay? Or the very tight compression shirt, or both. When they start wearing shiny button downs and getting a little more tan, it's time for therapy, okay? And this is where I kind of, I wish we were sponsored by a therapy company

right now and I would do the bump here, but we're not, okay? It's time for therapy. When you see your dad, let's say you have a divorced dad, a single divorced dad, and he's starting to wear shiny shirts and he's starting to try to hang out. That's when you take him to therapy. These are the kind of people that are taken over South by Southwest. I'm kind of sick of these Gen Z coders and boomer, even millennial CEOs getting into this stuff where it's movies and music and just ruining it. Like the closest, the closest a tech bro should be to music is like hiring, hiring Tyga to

play their corporate party every year in February where they launch their new stupid product. That's just another thing where someone does a menial task for someone else where they don't get, where they're a private contractor. So they don't get health coverage. I mean, all they're doing is taking away health coverage from industries. And now they want to get into music and ruin everything. So basically, like, there's gonna be three badges now at South by Southwest. There's gonna be a journalism badge, a tech badge, I think, and then like the lowest one, which is 450, is you only go

to the music. You only go to the music events. So I think my advice to you people right now is to just only get the music badge if you want to save this thing. But it doesn't matter because I feel like I haven't really been to South by Southwest recently. I go to Austin every couple of years. I feel like from what I hear, it was kind of falling apart anyway from music just because of the record labels. But now, I don't know of the record labels, but now I

Don't know the record labels have lost so much power It's like I sort of I'm starting to feel for feel bad for them even and I think it's the problem here It's just tech bros trying to be cool. No one wants to see your new fucking product at South by Southwest Okay, just do an online do a TED talk. Shut the fuck up. Stop trying to be cool Give them backstage passes I don't know by the fucking Gene Simmons experience if you trying to be cool. Give them backstage passes, I don't know, buy the fucking Gene Simmons experience if you wanna be in the music industry so bad. You probably still think he's cool,

you're so fucking out of touch. I don't know, man. What else I got here? Actually, back to that, it's like the tech world's like, another thing about them is like, it would be cool, it would be cool, because they do have a lot of money. It would be nice to have people with a lot of money get in the music industry, put some life into it, put some creativity into it.

Kind of like actors used to do back in the 60s and 70s, they're just like more famous people. But the problem with actors now is they're all just kind of like actors and other musicians. You know, they used to be guys that like worked in coal mines and went to LA to find a better life and now it's just like J.J. Abrams' daughter. You know what I mean? Which isn't fair because Gracie Abrams is actually talented, but she was the first Neppo baby I could think of. But the problem is these nerds, they have no fucking style. They have no taste or anything. Not that I'm a fucking tastemaker, but I'm not ruining South by Southwest either. Like they don't have any sort of touch to put anything. Not that I'm a fucking tastemaker, but I'm not ruining South by Southwest either. Like, they don't have any sort of touch to put on anything. Like, every time a tech bro

gets into this kind of stuff and starts making shit like this, it just seems to turn into a crumble cookie or something, where everything's stainless steel and it's just too sweet and it's too much and you need an app to do everything. I want to just go buy a ticket and watch a bunch of guys who are borderline homeless, play pretty badly, some songs you kind of like, and white t-shirts. That's what you want at South by Southwest, okay? Not crumble cookies with a DJ. One more thing in the music industry. I don't know.

I just want to talk about a lot of music stuff. We'll see. We'll see what they even keep out of this. Chappell Rhone. This story is about a month old, but she obviously won the Best New Artist Award at the Grammys and she went on a speech about how she's been on a label for 10 years and she's made it now and she went on a little speech about how we need to give these people on labels coming up.

They need to be given a living wage to work with and health coverage. You know, a pretty milquetoast point actually, but something that a lot of people in her position wouldn't be brave enough to do because they're scared of their label. So, while it is like a pretty, it's an easy stance to take, it is the right stance and no one else is doing it. And it's pretty insane. And I gotta say, like, I've been keeping like a little pop it girl power rankings and I say she's number one right now, right? Number one's her. Number I gotta say, I've been keeping a little Pop It Girl power rankings, and I say she's number one right now, right? Number one's her. Number two is Sabrina, because she's sort of the one that, she's a little risque, but

she's still got the Disney, so 14-year-old girls can get into her, but also the Taylor Swift crowd can get into her. Then there's Gracie Abrams, like I just mentioned. She's the one. She's number three right now. She's going to be on the come up big time this year. She has like these emotional songs that connect with people, which is really weird because my girlfriend worked her concert last year and said everyone was streaming

the lyrics the whole time and you could barely hear her, which is very, very, very funny when you consider like how quietly she's singing. And also I heard that Gracie, like Taylor, she must have learned this from the school of Taylor treats everyone around her with like a lot of respect says hi to everyone and then there's you know Charlie XCX she's for like your bad girl the people the girls are doing cocaine in the bathroom the fun girls they like to go to EDM that's the Charlie XCX she fucking rules then there's Olivia Rodrigo I think I don't know she's my least favorite she I think she's gonna flame know, she's my least favorite.

She, I think she's going to flame out. She's a little too, a little too childish. Anyway, Chaperone goes on the speech and she gets into talking about, you know, living wage, blah, blah, blah. And this, this douchebag. I mean, who would could possibly disagree with that, right? Well, there's this guy, Jeff Rabin or Rabin. Like I said, I know the story is a couple of weeks old. He wrote like an op-ed for, I think, the Hollywood Reporter.

And he said, you know, well, you should put your money where your mouth is then if you're going to be so... First of all, I don't think... I doubt Chappell-Roehn's like, fuck you, Rich, yet. She's been famous for nine months. I mean, she's probably still paying back her record deal. She's been on a label for 10 years. She comes from Springfield, Missouri. I don't think she comes. She's one of the few people who made it of sheer talent in the industry. And he's telling her,

oh, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? This guy's a journalist, a hack. He just is a journalist. He runs the Clive Institute, Clive Davis Institute at NYU, which, you know, he's just a journalist suit. He, of course, has a tech company of his own that does God knows what. It has one of those things where it should have an EER on the end, but it just has the R. That's when you know it's a douchebag running it. That's like the least creative way to name a company. They all do it. It's all very vanilla and on brand.

So he's telling her to donate money. She goes, fine, I do. I'm going to. And she immediately gives 25k to Backline. Shout out Backline. There's a free bump. If you need therapy, if you're a musician or whatever, head up Backline. She donates 25k, gets a bunch of her rich homies to do the same thing.

And I don't think that he has donated. I looked it up yesterday and to this point, he hasn't matched her donation. And I'm pretty sure he has more money than her. And it's just like insane that a guy that basically, basically he's a shill for the record labels. He works for Clive Davis. He's a journal, a music journalist, you know, that probably can't fucking play anything. He probably can bang out a little Nickelback.

Which by the way, shout out Nickelback. You could be Gene Simmons types, but you're not. You're just chill. You're just playing arenas in Canada and being chill. Anyway, you know, he could donate money. He probably has more money than her. He's made all his money talking about people like her, not making anything, working for

a record label. One of the biggest record label, the guy who propped up Diddy is the guy that runs the foundation that he is like in charge of at NYU. This guy's telling a girl that grinded it out in bars in Missouri and came up writing great songs is a lesbian, is a woman in the music industry. Telling her to put her money where her mouth is is fucking insane. I just don't want any more opinions on the music industry from journalists, maybe even managers.

If you haven't had to ride overnight in a 15 passenger van from Des Moines to Kansas City, I don't think you should be allowed to tell people what to do with your money. Okay? Chappell's right. I'm not saying that like every, you know, some people fail. That doesn't mean you need to get rich, but maybe like a minimum wage for anybody on a big record label. At least put them on your fucking group healthcare plan. Just this guy like getting pissed off at her is, I don't know, he's never made anything except for articles about stuff other people's made. He's a fucking pussy, all right? So match the donation, dude.

You have more money than her. All right, so I think that's enough music news. I do have a couple voicemails from last time I don't know if you remember we talked a little bit about drones and what makes a good friend Here's a good prompt for next week's voicemail besides Gene Simmons. Who is one guy like music aside? You can love their music separate the art from the artist and let's not include any criminal activity Someone you just think is kind of an asshole like someone you think is just kind of a douche. Maybe all about themselves. A narcissist. Call in and give me that. I don't want to hear... No assault. No drug addict stuff. I don't want to

hear about crimes. Just people you don't want to get dinner with. Okay? Who is the number one guy in rock and roll or whatever that you wouldn't want to get dinner with not based on any crimes? And here's a couple voicemails From last week. Here's number one I'm here listening to the jam crews live episode great episode and I was enjoying the band segments and I heard the saxophone and I was like, is that Nick? Because this whole time since Nick, you, since you've probably listened to this, became more of a part of the show. I've always in the back of my mind been like, I wonder what, I wonder if he sucks or not.

I do that too sometimes Fucked up Nick. You are a bad motherfucker on the saxophone Okay, you are a complete badass and I didn't know Okay, so that's an example of just a really good voicemail just calling in and telling me that I'm really talented. Um That's a good one. Here's the next one. This is from Connor. He had a good idea about what makes... So this is the prompt I said, picking up your friend at the airport is a really good sign that you are a good friend. And here's my friend Connor McAvoy saying what he thinks a good friend is. Hey, you're me and Nick. It's Connor McAvoy. I listened to the podcast this morning. And Nick, I just want to tell you what makes a friend, a true friend is there for someone

when they're feeling down. Be open up to being vulnerable. Just be a friend to other people, would just be a humble kind, and we share his back, and that's what makes a friend. All right, bye guys. All right, that's a really good one. Being vulnerable, being humble. I still think that, let's say, I had a guy friend and I was going to back to India, I would much rather have them save me 40 bucks on an Uber than being vulnerable, but I do like the humble part But I think I'm gonna go with airport still here's a one more. This is from New Jersey

He was responding to the drone thing and I think he has another good friend one What up is Brownie from North Jersey? Yes, I am trash and yes, we do still have some drones flying around there were some out in actually not far from where Trump Trump's golf courses out by Bedminster not too long ago and also something makes somebody a true friend everyone's willing to help out with my dog but you know what no one will really do only a true friend feed and or scoop my cat litter box that's a true friend somebody doesn't have your car say you're cali fine your calories fine it's just a fucking cat someone's like no no I'll come and take care of

your cat and you know not even worry or say hey how's the dog doing they just come in take care of your cat scoop your cat shit because you know what that's what cats expect all right guys be good wow. Wow, that's a good one. First of all, my first question is, why do you as a man have a cat? So that's my first problem with, I'm just kidding, I love cats actually. I love cats, I would love to get a little cat

for Denzel to be friends with. We have one in the building right now. Denzel's my big black standard poodle. He's been on the show a couple times. He's obsessed with his cat Brian in our building right now and I finally let him get close and I was scared that he was going to attack him, but nope. He just sniffed him a little bit. I don't know what to say about the drones.

I might have just been an election thing. I guess they're still flying around out there though, but who knows what the fuck they're doing. I mean, what could they possibly be doing in New Jersey to make it any worse anyway? So all right Thanks a lot volume check out frasco.com We're gonna go on here. I'm gonna have drew on here for a little bit here We're gonna do a little talking about my trivia thing. We're gonna play a little game

I don't know. I'm gonna go over there. He just got home from Arkansas. He'll probably have some fun stuff to say Alright, bye. Bye. Bye stuff to say. All right, bye bye, bye. And we're back. We're here with the legendary Drew Birch. How you doing, Drew? How you doing? You're great. Drew, you just got back from Arkansas? I did. How was that? It was lovely. Arkansas in the spring. Arkansas in the spring. Did you watch Disney basketball while you were there? Watched the Sweet 16. Watched the Heartbreaking Loss. Classic John Kyle Perry.

He is the very bad end of game decision maker. Which brings me to my next question. Did you make the decision to watch that new tornado documentary on? Yeah, we watched. Yeah. On Netflix? Yeah. I spent half an hour making fun of that because we kind of talked about it

On our facebook message chat we do and you were saying you guys hated it And I also I didn't realize I hated it till the second time I watched it And I watched 30 youtube documentaries in between that were all better and I realized that all they did in that The only thing they did the whole movie was just interview seven high schoolers I thought I thought some of them were fake. I thought some of them were actors I actually said that in the beginning. I was like, some of these stories seem fucking impossible. Sitting on the car and she's just like, grew up, you know, just from around the way.

I was like, this is, you look like you got hired. And I don't know. It sounds like AI wrote, it sounds like they were reading off an AI script. And also the thing about when they were in the middle of tornado and like, it was a blue sky above us. I don't think it works. I don't think it works like that. I don't think it's all I looked it up

There's a there is are you talking about when they were in the middle of it? Yeah Yeah, there's a thing called like a blow or a blowhole or a blowout or something like like I am a hurricane Yeah, it's like this little negative energy that sucks the but it's like a perfect blue sky above you. I don't know I don't know. I just don't think any of that's real I watched a bunch of tik-toks that were better than that Shit did you see I was in Indiana while you're in Arkansas Did you see a lot of fat and depressing people while you were there? You know, everybody's everybody was gone on spring break. So so no, yes

So there's like twice as many because all the hot students were gone I mean no they're over 18 I guess that's uh that's kosher that's kosher so the reason I'm having drew on today's well number one he's cool and he's my friend he's one of the better hip-hop producers do I you just told me you have a secret project you have to work on tomorrow oh yeah I do so Drew's making some tunes for like a really big RM&B artist. We can't say who it is. Are you... so is that harder or easier than writing for yourself, do you think? Probably easier. Just because you don't... there's no... You already know you're gonna fail kind of and you're like

whatever. You just have to do the easiest thing ever. Just like write three chords and... A demo basically? Yeah. And then you're just like... just yeah... Make it good and you send it off and do do stuff on this Well, you're already on zero anyway with them. So it's yeah what Matt? Yeah, so I'm gonna lose and sometimes They end up liking that shit better that you make yeah, because you have no emotional Connection then I'm like I'm gonna keep this Yeah, I'm actually just gonna turn this into a deist rata song you know, so the main reason I've drew on is because of myself because i'm obsessed with myself and um

We've been doing this trivia pod podcast show it's going to come out in about a month We're working out the details and drew's the video guy. We actually First of all, i'm a little worried about you every time I come over here. There's 700 dollars worth of weird Stuff from he's going to the flea market. He back with these VHS is and you're just like it's what you got one in a state sale And it's like some guys home videos and it looks like it's like you're just like waiting for the next scene to be a dead body or What's the creepiest thing you found on there I Don't know lots of talks that were in the back of a limousine

Heading to the airport to go to Russia to discuss some stuff. And they were all dressed up really nicely. Then they had their child with them. That was interesting. Are they speaking Russian? No. Oh, so it's not that Russian. So they're not planning anything illegal. I don't really know. I wanted to believe so. So basically it was like that signal chat. Yeah. They just leaked their signal chat from 40 years ago. Yeah. They're also Russian assets. Yeah every time I come over here There's like a new green screen or some you got some video mixer today when you landed from Arkansas. Yeah, what's going on?

What are you turning into here? I don't music is not working again Get in line. Yeah, no, I like I like doing both. I like the visual and music, you know side So like what's the end game here with all this collection? Are you gonna be that weird guy in his 50s? It's like has a ranch house in the neighborhood and his garage is just filled with shit Those guys usually retire pretty happy. Yeah, they've got no one around they've got all their little toys. They've very cute They do have a retirement usually though. That's the problem. They've got animals and animals. Yeah. Yeah, that's fun camcorders You got scooter What you don't need an animal you got scooter scooter? Yeah, that's not mine. It's certainly scoots about

Fucking eight hundred dollar scooter. Dude. That's not like It is not like one of those cops are here. The cops are definitely here. We haven't even started doing drugs yet. It's only eight So, yeah, um, I Don't know man. What do you yeah? I want to do I kind of do visuals for my stuff with circuit bending and all that stuff That seems really fun explain to the people out there who are normal what circuit bending is, you know, honestly, I really don't even know It just makes you know that you like ressolder stuff and give it different channels and pathways so it makes it cool like glitchy effects and stuff. And I kind of thought that, yeah, I thought you would ask me that. It kind of makes it... I still didn't prepare. That's okay, it's not an interview. What do you think about the trivia pod? Do you think it's pretty good? I like it a lot. Yeah, I got pretty stoked on after we finished it. I know, were you surprised at how good I

was at reading? That was, it was quick. Drew wasn't sure if I knew I was gonna read. Give it up for me for knowing how to read. We did it in his basement. He has a green screen down there. It looks cool. We have like a whole desk and Drew's making it all funny and we went to the park and took a camcorder to the park we weirded some remember that guy we weirded out with his dog oh yeah he was straight forward didn't look up he was like walking by with a dog some and he i tried to be like say hi to him and like bring you know be like we're not that weird even though he's like videotaping me on an outdoor elliptical machine at like 4 p.m god knows what we're on you're like hey man nice dog yeah there's a shot in the thing

when I'm on an elliptical machine, okay? When you see that, just remember there's a guy walking his dog behind Drew and I'm like, hey man, how you doing? And he looks at me like I am John Wayne Gacy or something. Like I'm playing to kill the president. So, I mean, I'll take that. I've emailed him at least six times trying to get him to come on the podcast. I really want to interview just one guy who shot a president and I want to, I don't want to ask him about on the podcast. I really want to interview just one guy who shot a president. And I don't want to ask him about that at all, I just want to ask him about his, he's like a singer-songwriter now.

Yeah, you don't write like that. You sound like him now. What else you been working on lately? That's kind of it. Just, I'm about to make some more music, more solo stuff. Oh, and the Flamingo's just record. The Flamingo record. Yeah, Flamingo and Diastrata collab records. Got eight tracks on it. Deastrata is Drew's duo group.

Yeah, with Ian Gilley. They used to be called Recess, if you want to, but look up Deastrata, D-I-A. Yeah. D-E-I. Trademarked. D-E-I. D-E-I-S-T-R-A-T-A. No, D-I-A. So, Andy just put out a solo record too, but what's up with this flamingos's record? When's that coming out? Do you know yet? I think looking at summer like late summer get some singles rolling out Yeah, it's uh, yeah eight tracks good. You're on it. I am on one track I charged you guys a lot of money for that Didn't work. Um Yeah, I think it's gonna be a good record. Yeah late summer. I think that's a new MD his band

That seemed like a lot. There was a lot of different personalities in that Yeah, a lot of a lot of goofy boys, but I mean it worked out everybody got along great Everybody yeah, you guys do get along pretty good. It's not cuz you only have to tour with each other twice a year for two weeks Yeah, you know to see him very often. Yeah, we just don't talk when we're in town Yeah, and drew and Scott aren't going so the two nerds aren't weeks. Yeah. You don't just see him very often. Yeah. We just don't talk when we're in town. Yeah, and Drew and Scott aren't going, so the two nerds aren't there. Yeah. They might be able to balance it out a little bit. Actually, yeah, you could probably use them a little bit. Andrew's big. Yeah. I have a tall guy around. Yeah, it helps. So, the trivia pod. Yeah. What do you think we can do to make it better? Do you think it's as good as it's going to be for the first episode?

I think it's there. I think so. Yeah, I think that's one you can't think too much about, you know. Yeah. I like how it's short. Yeah. Kind of like a couple musicians in our scene. Nice and short. Those are the best musicians, though. Yeah, you got a lot of soul. The episode is Napoleon complex because it's very short.

Oh yeah. I like that. Drew just got off a plane from Arkansas today. How much hotter were the people as soon as you hit the Denver airport? Good looking people. Compared to the Arkansas's? Yeah. I mean the plane, you know, is coming from Arkansas so it wasn't...

True. So maybe wait until you get to baggage at least for that kind of thing. Baggage claim is on fire. So it was only sevens and up, man. We're talking about both men and women, by the way. I think that some hot people don't even really fly. I think they just go to the airport and congregate. Dude, why is everybody at the airport hot?

I don't know. Like seriously. It's expensive. Oh true. And rich people are more attractive, aren't they? Yeah, that's your thing. It kind of weeds out the, it's also real. Yeah, true. Being rich people are more attractive, aren't they? Yeah, that's your thing. It's also real. Yeah, true. Being rich, you know, you eat better. Your mom's probably hotter because she's rich.

So she's married to a rich guy and everybody's attractive. You know. A lot of happiness, yeah. There's a genetic component to being wealthy, I guess. And it really pays off in the looks category. Yeah, when you get to the Indy airport, you definitely see a sharp decline Hmm a lot of people working at

Raytheon and Roche diagnostics hitting the road for the weekend or going I was I was flying during spring break So there's a bunch of families on my oh, yeah, which is the worst thing ever. Yeah families and old people I had a lot of families God families are the worst right? I had a lot of families. God, families are the worst, right? I ate them. I hate them. What uh What are you gonna do about your solo record? You gonna make another solo record? Yeah, I'm supposed to do part shades

Like part two. You should call it part duh, like hot shots. Remember hot shots? Oh, yeah. Yeah with Charlie Sheen It was like a Top Gun spoof. Shades part duh. Yeah, I gotta do that one at some point. And then I kinda wanted to do some left field stuff, put out some singles and stuff. You know, it isn't even in that. Just get out there and try to play some shows

and lose some money again, huh? Lose some more money. Circuit bend. Circuit bend so I can buy you my little trinkets and toys to move on You know what else I talked about in the opening was or the main chunk or whatever I talked about Do you remember that chapel rone shit where she donated money to backline because that reporter all right? Yeah Journalists are the worst. Yeah, I think we can all agree on that So I looked up on that because you were like, how's that gonna work?

Cuz we didn't know how big backline was remember We were talking about it. Yeah, I thought there was no so basically they just like find you a therapist and the money So they're like a third or they're like they're like a yeah, it's like a fungibility thing Yeah, all the dollars they get and just go to pay the therapist. Okay backline everybody get on backline I know you're sad. It's raining out today in Denver. I know you're sad Well, I just wanted to get drew on here. so you guys can meet him. He's the guy He's like the creative mastermind behind the new Wrong trivia the podcast. It's gonna be good. I'm excited. I know it's gonna be one of the better things

I've made which I don't know isn't saying much. I'm sorry. Andy wasn't on the paw this week He's in the he's swimming in the ocean and stuff. We'll be back with our regular dumbass fucking banter soon. Do you have any words of advice or wisdom to the people for the people this week out there in Frasco land? Man, that's now you hate Frasco, right? I love Andy. You didn't you said he's not very talented and he's a bad entertainer or something. He's an absolute hack. Yeah. And I'm just kidding. You're from Arkansas. You've probably been seeing him for 20 years, right? I saw him come through Webbeds, the old Webbeds in Fort Smith. Oh wow. He's been doing that. He was doing that for a while. He came to Fort Smith. Fort Smith, a lot. That guy has mastered the D-Market. This was like 12 years ago.

Jesus Christ. It's the same set list, I think. No, he's got a bunch of new tunes. They're good now. No, that's a good joke though. Yeah, he's mastered the D-Market. Now he's got a bunch of new tunes they're good now that's a good joke though. Yeah he's mastered the D market now he's mastering the A market. Anyway he'll be back. Do you have any words of wisdom for these people this week? I don't know stay stay in the line color stay in the lines stay in the lines stay color in the lines don't get well don't do it you know don't step too far out. Okay. I like that Yeah, just made that up Just said I just kind of made up the sense so you're saying off. So basically don't break the rules. Don't break the rules stay

Assimilate get a nine to five. There you go. Keep going Shade correctly. Shake correctly. Don't color things that they're not split If it's a curse, it should be red or yellow. You had Disney. Yeah. All right. That's a problem. Anyway, Drew Burch, everybody. Give it up for him. We'll see you next week. Chris, play us out. Bye. You've just tuned into the World Saving Podcast with Andy Frasco. Produced by Andy Frasco, Joe Angelhowe, and Chris Lorenz. Please help us save the world by subscribing and rating the show on volume.com, Apple,

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