Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 318: Mihali

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

This week on the pod, Frasco admonishes us all to NOT BRING THAT **** TO NEXT WEEK. Marinate and move on, as the kind Dr. Frasco prescribes. Plus! He sits down with Twiddle frontman and jam-brother from another tour mother, Mihali. These two lords of chaos trip the light fandango, share war stories from the road, and sing the praises of the real MVPs: their tour managers — those brave souls who’ve saved their butts more times than anyone can count (and sometimes even after questionable substances were consumed). What's going on with Twiddle these days, you ask? Suffering from aphantasia and need a visual aid to accompany your podcast? Well, fear not. We gotchu. Watch this episode now, exclusively on Volume.com We're psyched to partner up with those buddies of ours at Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us your opinion on one finds the floor inbetween floors: [phone]  Check out our new album!, L'Optimist on all platforms Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Produced by Andy Frasco, Nick Gerlach, Joe Angelhow, & Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Mara Davis Big Al Beau

All right. And we're live. Andy Frasco's World Sin Podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. How is everyone doing? How's your heads? How's your minds? Are you letting go of that bullshit?

That bullshit that you held onto all week? Just let it go. Say not today, devil. We're letting go of it. We held on to it all week last week. We had a great time or maybe you had a shitty time this weekend. We're not going to bring that shit to next week. What's the point?

Marinade in it and move on. I'm Andy Frasco. How's everyone doing today? This is going to be a short opening because I got my boy, Mahali. We, uh, he came over the house and it was, I thought it was a beautiful, um, conversation and I want to, I want to give it its moment. I'm not going to really cut it. He talks a lot about twiddle years and he talks about his new outfit where he's, you know, he's doing a solo

thing and, uh, and we also bring out the tour manager his first time on camera. Shout out to big Al Al Pac Shakur had a crazy situation. He had a crazy fucking situation happened to him and, um, very scary. And he told, you know, and he'll tell you about it later on. And we got Mike on the show too, but we get deep with Mahali. And if you don't know who Molly is, Mahali is the lead singer of a twiddle. Great guy. I mean, I've been getting closer and we wrote, uh, I was lucky enough to, uh,

collaborate and write a song with him, a song called circus life. And, um, we tour a lot together. I mean, we're, we're boys, my boy. And then finally get to actually have this conversation on the podcast where we're not just all fucking before soundcheck and we just sit down and we really talk about, we talk about, um, the hiatus of twiddles going through. And we talk about his past life. Also, we talk about the death of death of his dad and how the spirit of his dad is still

All right, it's a fantastic. I love this interview and like, you know now that we're close yet He trusts me that uh, I'm not gonna like, you know Be a fucking idiot. You know, there's a shout them all I've a trust in me. I Love you bud But you're gonna love this one Before we started, you know, I got to do a couple pitches. So, this week we are at Goose. Any of you rich people who want to do a last minute trip to Cabo, come on baby, get over there.

We're doing Viva El Gonza with Mahali, our boys Pigeons, we got Goose, we got the Dawes, we got Warren, a lot of bands. I think Dog's in the pile too. All the homies are playing it. So if you want to do a last minute trip, Cabo, I just got, I know I've been spending a lot of time in Cabo lately or like Toto Santos. I love it out there. It's a great vacation.

So head over there. Then the following, the following day, Richmond, Virginia, Dominion Rock Festival, live free concert. So get your ass over there But yes, go out there and volume comm sign on to the only frasco subscription Five bucks a month you get deeper dive into the frasco world and you get one live stream free live stream Every month so you're gonna love it. Alright guys, enjoy my Holly and I will talk to you soon

Breeze by on the East side trippin on the long ride in the last laps gonna flip it on ya The board tight is the last thing missing, I could stay without a show Slow grind, yeah my mind's eye-sippin' From a full glass lookin' like a cool cat slippin' on ya So fine, yeah my heart starts skippin' like a butterfly on the floor It seems I'm still deciding what to spend my precious mind on And we're live. Yeah, I know, yeah, I know I've been here for too long And we're live. Hi, buddy. How we doing, Mahali?

I'm good, man. How are you? I'm good. My first question is, why did Twiddle break up? Let's just get down to business, okay? Oh, man. I'm just kidding. What's up, buddy? Good. I'm good. Happy to be here. What's up, buddy? Good. I'm good Happy to be here. It's nice to be in Denver Mahali is putting out a new record. I want to talk about it. I want to talk about your life I want to talk about a lot of things because I don't know we never get to we do always do this behind

We do. Yes, but you have such a fascinating life that I think people need to hear about it. So let's start from the beginning. Where are you from and why do you love music? Wow. I'm from Maplewood, New Jersey, but I was born in Manhattan. So, you know, Northeast fella. I'm grilling you today, baby.

No, we're good, we're good. Music, music. Music always had a big role in my life, specifically in, for me, it seemed like times of need, you know, um, I found myself latching to, to songs as a way to, like, maybe escape feelings or, or to feel. Especially when my dad died. What happened there? as a way to like maybe escape feelings or to feel. Especially when my dad died. What happened there? He passed away when I was eight.

Oh shit. Yeah, it was intense and I don't think I ever, that definitely messed me up I think the most like maybe out of my siblings, I don't know. But it was always something that really impacted me and just sort of had this like Driving force throughout my life Whatever the relationship was some connection I had with my dad seems to always sort of stuck around

but through music I was able to to like Sort of escape and feel I Don't know you remember your dad by eight years old? No, not really. Um, I have like, well, yeah, I have certain memories of him, but the hard part is I don't know what are like real memories or just like, yeah, or like stories, yeah, stuff I've like either heard or like maybe made up, you know what I mean?

So yeah. isn't that crazy it is yeah it's we could control the past if we want to it's true you know I think about that with my kids all the time I'm like man are they gonna remember this you know what I mean but nowadays they will cuz cameras yeah phones it's oh yeah everything is like every day is documented you know it's not like our life well thank God our life wasn't documented When we're being you know being smucks, you know, yeah, we get away a lot more nowadays But yeah, so what do you what's like? Are you the youngest or the oldest? I'm the middle

You're the myth. So do you feel like you never got enough attention? I didn't feel that way. My mom was amazing, still is amazing. So I never felt like I didn't get any attention or didn't get any love or anything. My older brother and me are very close. So we were like really good, we were like homies basically. Why do they say the middle child

doesn't get enough attention? I see it a little bit. It's because the youngest is the baby, I think, and so they automatically kind of get a lot of the attention, especially when they're young. And the oldest is the first, so there's always maybe a different relationship with that child to the parents, I think, because like your first pregnancy, everything like that whole thing, it was a different experience the second and third time around for us. Right.

So, do you remember the first time you, someone like applauded you for being good at your instrument? How old were you? If someone applauded you for being good at your instrument, how old were you? I didn't really start playing till like eighth grade. My friends really, I think, cause I played in my bedroom a lot. I didn't play publicly very often.

Oh, so it was kind of like a release. It wasn't like entertaining you wanna impress. No. I didn't play my first show till after high school. Really? Like in front of people. I played maybe like two shows in high school, but they were like maybe like a local thing at a coffee shop

and I like sat and filled in for a guitar player in some shows, like in New York. It was a big deal. So my first New York show when I was in high school. But yeah, Twitter was like my first band and my real first like show playing these songs I wrote in high school. But yeah, Twiddle was like my first band and my real first like show playing these songs I wrote in high school. OK, so before we get into Twiddle years,

what was the first song high school that you're like, damn, this is actually a good song. I think I could like what was it? It's a song called Invisible. Like Twiddle song. We still play it. Really? Yeah. Yeah. What's it about? It's about fucking up and, like, wishing you could go back

and change something you did that was wrong and replace it with something fun. Like, it's like a real simple... It's funny, because I listen to lyrics and, like, they're really... They are really, like, relevant to life as an older person. And I'm thinking, like, man, when I wrote that, I was 13 and I had no idea anything about life. And I don't even remember what I did to write the song, but I did something and I made it,

I fucked up somewhere, right? And I had to, I felt, I was feeling bad about it or whatever. I don't, that's what I'm saying. I don't, it could have been a number of things, honestly. Isn't it crazy? Well, what we think is fucking up at 13 is just like, doesn't matter about what it was, just the feeling you got.

Yeah. And that's what we learn about what's right or wrong because of the feeling. Yeah, totally. It's the driving, that's the like, your gut. Right. You know? So give me a couple of lyrics, I wanna hear it. Don't you wish you were a pencil so you could erase the shit you done. Go back

and make the changes and control how your life's run because people make mistakes and people do things they shouldn't have done. Go back and make the changes and replace them with some fun. What the fuck! 13 year old Mahali. Let's go. Yeah. Okay. So my friends were like, that's a good song, man. And I was like, oh, okay, that's the song. So that's like how I wrote. Okay. So tell me about, okay, give me the, give me like, what is it?

Is it, do you think we're a vessel? You're 13 years old singing something very fucking deep, dude. Yes. So I do. I really believe that I always Like when friends or people ask me about the songs I just Say I'm the middleman. I love that. It's like I'm not sure where they come from and they're certainly not straight from here We gotta write a song called the middleman. I think so. Yeah, it's a it's a good concept because like really I understood that there was some

Powerful positive things coming out of me that I wasn't You know, they just sort of come when you're in that zone when you're in like locked in in those moments They but the story gets a little crazier. Like there's for me It sort of all Comes back to my dad in a way. Like he's fucking... Yeah. So I've had all these strange, strange things and I don't know if it's real or what. Start spilling them out, buddy. So, you know, he was a, he was a psychologist. He did past life regression hypnosis. He was like really into that and sort of

you know, he wrote a book about it and It was like a technical book though. I tried to read it once was like what is what is this? Well, you know didn't make any sense, but you know, he really believes that you could communicate with people After they're gone. And he was really into that. And he had a special relationship with me. And this is based off what my mom has told me and what friends have told me.

And back then, there was this big thing about Indigo children and the star children being born. And I think that there's a lot of people out there that believe it and I'm not really sure what I believe either way, but he very much believed that I was one of those and he, he saw me as just this very like special baby. Oh my God. And, and so like there's something about auras. He would read people's auras and like something about like the aura staying blue, like a blue

color for like an indigo child or something. Holy shit. So he saw that? I guess. Yeah. That's what I was told by, you know, family members and stuff. And so anyway, there was like a special connection between me and him. That's really what I took from it.

Not any of the other stuff is more just like. Oh, so basically you're hearing stories from your uncles and your mom and how he approached you as when you're a baby, you had no consciousness. Right, yeah. Kind of just like very, you know, you saw something there.

Is that why you're sad? Cause you never got to meet him or see him? I think there was just this, I think that's why it affected me maybe the hardest or the most because there was a special connection there. But it goes, you know, past that to, there were certain songs where the lyrics were very close to what he would write in his journal. And I never saw his journal. I never read any of that. I don't even have it. You know, my cousin has it.

What lyrics? It's, what song? It's Daydream Farmer. Give me some lyrics. Keep your earth and your soul and your soul to the ground. I put that in the song. I guess that's something he said. Like there's certain phrasings, right? So I took that as, okay, like maybe there is, maybe he's found a way to communicate to me. And it could, that could be wrong, I don't know, but like, I try to... Dude, it's just to close to the fucking, you know, so I,

when I started writing those songs with Twitter, you know, but I was really into different stuff, more telling stories like Jamflow man and Carter candlestick, Frank of foot. Like those, those songs was really total songs were the story songs. And I really like creative writing. I like to write stories. I like to tell stories like to my kids. You know, fun stuff like that. And I think that's where that, I love Lord of the Rings and Gamehenge from Fish.

I was so into all that. Like concept records? Character driven stuff, you know what I mean? And it fits so nicely in the jam world. You can really do a lot with that. What's that thing, Franken, Woody? Frankenfood. The guy, the character? What's a lot with that. What's that thing, Franken, what do you... Frankenfoot.

Frankenfoot, the guy, the character? Yeah. What's the deal with that? I don't know, I'm not sure where the character came from. That was just, you know, we had a reggae groove and... Honestly, you know where it came from? I love the song Joshua Giraffe by Raffy. Yeah? Oh, sick.

It's about like a giraffe that lives in a zoo. It's like a whole story. And so I was trying to write a similar vibe, like an animal that was different. And then of course we put him in a cage, you know, because he was different and he needed to be free to like see his family and eventually gets free. What do you like?

So when you're writing stories about these imaginary people, do you put your life experiences in those imaginary people instead of like, so it's less pressure? Yeah, those songs aren't at all autobiographical. For me, those are like more- Fun.

Like Jamfloman, I was 14 or 15 when I wrote it. And at the time, from my perspective, I was trying to write about like the coolest rock star I could think of, kind guy that smokes a spliff and gets drunk on stage, but still crushes it. And he's just like, doesn't give a shit. He's the coolest, right? So that's where Jamfoman came from.

So that was just me thinking, what would you do? Yeah. And then Carter Candlestick is about a pickpocket. But I was just basing that kind of off the Artful Dodger, the play. Oh my god. Oliver Twist. that kind of off the artful Dodger, the play. Oh my God. Oliver Twist.

So like I played him in middle school. Really? Yeah, yeah. So like I really liked the play, but I really liked that character. And as- Were you singing? Oh yeah, as the pick pocket. Yeah, yeah, I did the whole thing.

You like musicals? I do, yeah. Oh my God, me too. That was my thing in middle school. I was in Greece, A&E. Let's go. Burkitt Doom. Yeah, theater rocks. Okay, so you start writing these songs,

13, 14, you're writing these really prolific songs. There's got, the dad is here. Yeah, I never. It has to be. I never put that together till like, I started writing more maybe like, I don't that together till like I started writing more Maybe like I don't call meaningful songs with songs that like cut a little deeper and I think that which ones Like one rains of pores and you like lost in the cold like those songs I

think were You know You know, they came from a very real place for me. So like those ones, I'm not sure, those were when I decided to write about my experience. Yeah. And so I get these, there's sort of different ways to write the songs, I guess. But I've had a lot of thought about, you know, the middle man situation and some of the songs that come through that I'm not sure where the lyrics or the concept or anything came from.

Because a lot of times I just start writing and humming and then these words show up and they're just kind of coming and coming and coming and then I look down and I'm like, oh, there's a thing there now. And I thought maybe it's just like the universe trying to get a message through me out to some people just to try to like, you know, make the world a little bit of a better place. And then, you know, I think back, what is it my dad, like, you know, trying. And then I realized, because I go through life just like a regular human, you know, through shit and feeling crappy and all that stuff.

Right. And, you know, people say to me all the time, like, well, just take your own advice, man. When you write about this shit all the time, like, just listen to your own lyrics. Like, what do you mean? And I'm like, yeah, but I didn't really. Like, I wrote them, but like, you know, I...

It wasn't me. It was something he... I believe in that shit too. Yeah, but then I had this like epiphany that like, oh shit, maybe the songs are for me. Oh. You know, like maybe I'm actually like, they're like to help me, like in my situation, but I'm thinking like they're coming from me, but they're coming for me.

Dude. So like that was when I was like, oh, OK. Like I think I'm understanding it a little better now. Dude, do you ever have these moments when you're super sad and you're just so depressed, so depressed, and all of a sudden this thing talks to you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that same ether, I think.

Yeah, it's this like, little helping hand pull you right out, you know? What was the saddest moment you've had where that ether helped you out? Huh. Well, I don't think it would be early enough for, you know, when my friend Matt died. What, it was a really close friend?

Yeah, yeah. How old were you? This was, Twitter was a band. You know, I was maybe 21 or 22. Hattie's Jam, that's about him. Hattie Bagan McRat, that song's about him. And I wrote that when he was still alive. But yeah, that was, you know, I was doing a lot of drugs

at that time in my life. Yeah. And you know, when that happened, I definitely dove way down into that hole. Oh, man. And it was like intense. I was like, I could barely stand up like at the funeral. I was like leaned up.

No. Yeah, yeah, it was like leaned up. No. Yeah, yeah, it was like bad. So what do you think got you to wanna like, kinda like, comatose yourself? I don't know, just like numb it out. I think that's like the root of all that stuff, right? Like are you eternally sad?

No, no, I never have been like that. Yeah, I've never seen you like a sad person. No, I'm not. That's generally not at all how I am. You're just having fun? Well, no, life is difficult, but it's all about perspective. Right. You know what I mean?

How'd he die? He was in a, he was in Thailand, and I think it was a road accident. There's not like a lot some kind of accident car accidents and like that. Fuck. He was on like a moped or something like that. Oh man so when you found that out how that were the other guys in the band real close to them or just you? Ryan knew him really well. Everybody knew him because he would come to shows and stuff he's the best. That's heavy. Yeah it it was really, really hard. That was for me, so impactful.

That song, My Friend on the new album is about him. Really? And it was like, I wanted to make a song out of the Hatties Jam thing, but I didn't, I never was able to do it until this one day. And I like sitting there and I'm just playing the chords. And then I just start crying, like real intense. And I'm by myself, like in my house trying to write. I had the house to myself for a few days

and I was really trying to bang out some songs. And just like the whole thing like overwhelmed me. But then like bow, it all just came like, right. As I'm like, and I have the notes recording and I'm like, it's like weird for me to listen to, you know what I mean? Cause it's like me dribbling bubbly, like crying, but singing and like doing what I do with the songs. But it's like really like, I was like, geez, man, that was like,

well, maybe it's just a cleanse. That's what it felt like. Cause I felt so good after the song was done. And I even was like, oh, he came down and was like, okay, here was like. Well, maybe it was just a cleanse. That's what it felt like. Cause I felt so good after the song was done. Yeah. And I even was like, oh, he came down and was like, okay, here's the song, you know, gave me a little pat on the back. Yeah, it's like, sometimes we hold on to shit

that we don't know how to get out of our body. And some things like, a lot of songs too, with like some days, all these songs, like keep on keeping on, just like crying. And I don't know why, like, you know, I'm a sad person, but not that sad. And the ether gave me something.

But like going back to that part when he passed away, and you said that was a sad moment, someone picked you up. What was that moment? When I got picked up? it was, I kinda like, well I kinda came out of the fog and I think after that was when I really just decided that it was time to sober up. Oh, so that saved your life too.

Probably, and I never really directly correlated with it but I think it was, you know, maybe the first time I was having those thoughts for real, you know what I mean? At 21? 22. So your band was popping? We were just starting. I mean, I didn't sober up for a few years after that, but it was like, you know, I had this like, I gotta get this

thing going. Like there was more of this like determination and drive to make it, to make it happen so that he could see that I made it happen. Oh, so maybe him passing away put that proof in you that I wanna still, cause he was like your biggest fan or what? Yeah, well he was my biggest fan, my biggest critic. He was like one of the people who always told me how it was straight up.

Oh really? So like, yeah. Did he ever tell you some of your songs are trash? Like which ones? No, it was never trash, it was my guitar playing. It was never the songs, yeah, yeah. It was your guitar, oh, so that's a true friend. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Some of my best friends are like, man, that song fucking sucks. I'm like, okay, word, word, word, respect. No, I mean, you ask for the honest opinion, sometimes you get it, that's for sure. So who's that figure in your life now? Me. Like the person who will just set you straight,

call you on your bullshit. My wife. Oh, sick. I'm gonna clap to that. She is a queen. Yeah, yeah. She's a... How'd you all meet?

We met and she came over to my house randomly just like we were having a party and she was there. And I think I put my phone number in her phone. Like sneakily? Yeah. I was weird, man. I like stayed up in my room a lot. I didn't come down too often. I'd like pop down and make a joke and run back upstairs or whatever.

But yeah. What, at the parties? Yeah. You'd have parties at your house and not, you'd be great gas panting and these things? No, my fucking roommates were having the parties. I was just upstairs. Oh, yeah jamming writing whatever smoking weed Yeah, yeah, so like anti-social a little bit or where you still get off the job I'm not like I'm pretty shy in general. I'm not like you are. I don't really get out there I don't love parties. I like big crowds. I'm not like it's never been my thing

I always say it's so funny. I watched like a hawk. I'm Holly like, it's never been my thing. I always say, it's so funny. I watch like a Hawk Mahali. Like I really do. Like I'm really fascinated with you. And as we're getting, now we're like becoming like closer, closer friends. And like now I'm like protective over you. Like I want to beat whoever, I will fuck them up. But I watch you when you're with your fans

and how they're like, they're obsessed. And how you kind of like, don't, you're like, you shelter yourself from it. A little bit. Why do you think that is? I did it with Twiddle a lot. It just gets really intense and I don't ever want to give anybody

a non-genuine encounter, right? And so I find that when there's a lot of people that want to talk to you all at once, or a lot of people telling you it was a great job or a good show, it's hard to give every single person that genuine thank you and hug and thank you for coming after the sixth or seventh time you've done it, like right in a row.

You know what I mean? I always feel like someone's getting the short hand. Especially VIP, when it's like right in a row. I mean I always feel like someone's getting the shorthand you know or especially VIP when it's like the 30th person yeah and you're just fucking you know your brains frazzled the band starting to like text their wives like put your fucking phones down yeah yeah go talk to people go talk to people yeah it's crazy man I want to get to hey Al is Al here? Yeah.

Get up here. Yep, get up here. We're gonna get deeper with, Come here, dad. How long has Al been TMing? A while, how long you been TMing? Ladies and gentlemen, tour manager of Twiddle and Mahali, Al Pac Shakur, everybody, here we go.

Welcome to the show, Al. Sit down, sit your ass down. Christ. Al. Gentlemen. Have a seat. Let me hear you, let me hear you. I'm tired, say hi.

What's going on Frasco? Are you nervous right now? I don't know, I'm mad at you for making me crowd surf. Al. That was legendary. That was legendary, Al, crowd surfing. Also, we'll talk about that. He got, almost got shot and killed at a show. This is true.

This is fucking crazy. But before we talk about that, what, give me your take on Mahali and give me your take on why you dedicate your life to craft his art. Oh man. Put that mic closer, Al. Sorry. why you dedicate your life to craft his art? Oh man. Put that mic closer, Al. Sorry.

I guess it's kind of an easy answer is, I get approached a lot by people that will tell you stories how his music has literally saved their lives, marriages, children's lives, however. And to me, that's what it's all about. And the fact that the words and the music helped that many people, I'm 100% behind it. I too love helping other people. So I'll do everything to help him,

help all those people that tell us all these stories and those stories are what keep us all going, to be honest with you. Look how nervous he is right now. I love this. It's a hot seat. I've never seen you nervous like that. Yeah, you killed me for asking that.

I love it. So how'd you all meet? I can't scope the camera up here, that's your problem. You can, you can speak for me. No, you're good, you're good, you're good. How did it happen? How did it happen? How'd you guys meet?

What happened? Actually, I was working. Put that mic closer. I was working with Midnight North and Elliot actually hit up Mahali and said, hey, we have this guy, can we put him on the list? He sells our merch and blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's the first time I ever saw Twiddle.

And that was at Brooklyn Bowl in 2016, maybe, 17. And did a lot of shows with Midnight North and Twitter. And started talking to the guys and just, you know, all friends and really good dudes. And then actually he and I crossed paths at the backstage in Philly and he was wearing a T-shirt. And the T-shirt said, Kicks and Sticks on it. And I said to him, really?

I said, how do you know Kicks and Sticks? He said, I used to work there. How do you know kicks and sticks? I said, I played for that guy for years growing up. Larry, shout out to Larry. Shout out to Larry. Shout out to Larry, let's do a little clap for Larry. Little clap for Larry.

So to make long story short, that real close connection, I had no idea it was from Jersey. I'm the proudest Jersey dude you'll ever meet. You are the most Jersey dude I've ever fucking met in my life. There's no Jersey. There's no Jersey. Yeah. And that was it, you know, meeting him, meeting Gub

and the guys, you know, Danny and all them. And just, I was behind it. You ever want to quit? No. No. Ever? No. Even through, no, I-

I'm not, no, I'm not, no, no way, man. You ever want to beat anyone's ass? You don't have to say who oh, yeah There's a list There's a list we don't have time for that. Yeah, I'll always had good weed I always had good I called the mr. Fox very he's always just like helping out at the merch table and always would just like slide me some good shit You ever ever ever take the heat with the cops for these boys? Oh

Cup a couple times nothing nothing too crazy nothing too crazy ever ever take the heat with the cops for these boys? A couple times, nothing too crazy, nothing too crazy. No, they're pretty well-behaved. We were in bed with Ryan, so. Yeah, I wasn't gonna. Of course, we'll get to that in a little bit. Don't worry. Can I go back and skim through that? We'll get to that.

What's up? Okay, you have to tell this story because this is the most craziest. Is that cool? Can we talk about this? I mean, I'm okay with it. It's not anything to do with the show. It was a fucking stranger of random occurrence. We'll keep certain places and things out of it.

We won't take the time. We won't take the sit. Don't tell the city. Okay. So am I telling the story? Yeah, tell the story. I don't even know how to start, but make a long story short, talking to a couple fans outside of the city. OK. So am I telling the story? Tell the story. I don't even know how to start, but make a long story short,

talking to a couple fans outside of a venue. And some people were walking by, and a gentleman and a woman were definitely arguing. And let's just say it got violent. What, he was beating her ass? He pulled her to the ground. Jesus. You know? violent. What, he was beating her ass? He pulled her to the ground and then... Jesus.

You know? But anyway, I, you know, I am who I am and I went running over and a fan went with me and another fan was behind me. One fan called 911 immediately and one of the fan that was next to me pushed the gentleman so he'd stop, you know, beating on this woman. And the gentleman, as he was getting up, said, I will, you know, kill you motherfuckers, excuse my French, Frasca.

And he pulled out a gun and it was pointed. Trigger was, he pulled the trigger. Luckily there was no clip in the gun. He didn't realize it fell out. Oh my fucking God, dude. This is during our tour. Yeah, it was off day. The off day, and you guys did your own show.

Yeah, but like anything in life, you gotta find humor in it. Right. And that morning I was watching Leafy Weapon, Frasco, and Danny Glover's getting shot at in the desert, and that guy's zigzagging, and no bullets are hitting him. You're like. You shot at in the desert, and that guy's zigzagging, and no bullets are hitting him. You're like- You look at the surveillance video,

you see Al zigzagging down the street. You're like Mel Gibson, but you like Jews. You know? You're my- You're my- I love him. I love him. I know.

Damn, dude. So how do you process that? You went to the bar. Yeah? It's funny. It's shaking. I come running in banging on the door of the place. We were leaving. We were walking out.

Oh, it was after this show? Right before we were going to get food, he came in and shoved me. And I was like, what the fuck? I'm like, get back inside. You're not going anywhere. And immediately went. That's so scary, dude.

Immediately asked for a shot. And everyone looked at me like, Al, you don't want your ankle. I'm like, right now I do. And I pulled back. Oh my God, so did the police, do you have a police report or? Yeah, they got him. Oh, they got him.

They got him. Helicopters came out the whole nine yards, they found the weapon and all that, so. Was he all cracked out or what? I don't know. I don't know, man. First of all, who tries to punch a woman and then who does it publicly on the fucking street?

Like it, yeah. Fans all saw it, and it was wacky, it was wacky. Which is so crazy. I just had to pretend like it didn't happen. Honestly, I did, I had to just like, in my brain, like remove that. Did it like make a scene? Like after that everyone slowly find out about it at that show?

It got spread around pretty quick. And you're like, hey, here's Jamflow, man. That's fucked up. You know, the next day I got to see you guys, so you know. Dude, I would be, I'd have a lot of questions in my head. Like, is someone protecting me? Like we're just talking about this, like, ether thing. Someone's got you protecting you.

How all of a sudden a clip comes out? Twice, bro. Twice. It fell out, he put it in, and they didn't rack it, and it didn't go off again. Yeah. Like, but that was just... You could just hear the trigger just go, kikikiki. Yeah.

You heard it? Oh, I mean, he was... You were that close? Yeah, he was like, boy. I was right behind him, yeah, literally right behind him. Oh, dude. And I saw him pull out the gun. I originally thought he was grabbing a knife

and I like stepped back and I'm like, gone! You know? But you saw the gun. Oh, God, yeah. I mean, I was closer than you and I were. What did the other fans do? So, the- Dipped out.

The first guy got pointed at first and the trigger was pulled at the fan, and luckily nothing happened. He started bolting, and this is after I yelled gun, and then we just all started running back. You can see in the surveillance, I dove in between two cars. Oh, you really, you Danny Glovered the fuck out of that thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Yeah. You're going to show this? The surveillance video looked like a movie yeah, dude. Yeah, man. Yeah. You're going so deep. The surveillance video looked like a movie shoot. Yeah. The way he was running. What a random occurrence, dude.

And you're just being a good Samaritan. Shout out to the Birkenstocks. I made it down there very quickly. But you're just being a good Samaritan. Yeah, hands down. I believe in that shit, man. I believe we get as much as we take. And that's why we're still alive.

And we've done some crazy shit in our lives. Me included, that the good outweighs the bad. Hands down. Come back around. Yeah. So why did Twitter break up, Al? Hey Frasco, I'm not sure my mic's working. Give it up for Al, ladies and gentlemen.

Thank you so much for being on the show. But Al, for real, before you leave, I'm so thankful that you protect my boy, Mahali. I'm so thankful. As am I. You are- Shout out to Al. You are really, you are like a bow to,

you and Bo, I mean you're- That's my guy right there. Dude. Shout out to Bo, by the way. But like, yeah, intuition, you are like a bow to me. You and Bow, I mean you're- That's my guy right there. Dude. You got off the bow button there. But like, yeah, intuition, you care, and you love us like we're, like even when I join the team, you love me like I'm one of them. Al's a lover.

Al, I just wanna- I believe I called you Fletch the first time I met you. You sure did. And I just wanna say from the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for taking care of my boy. But thanks for just caring about music because we don't do this without you and people don't give tour managers enough love.

So let's give it up for fucking Al Paciocor over here. Love you, Frasca. I love you. Thanks for being on the show. Everybody. That's fucking crazy. I love you, Al. Dude, thanks for talking about that.

That's fucking crazy. It's dad's first podcast. Dad's first podcast. Fucking brilliant you. I'll do thanks for talking about that. That's fucking crazy. It's dad's first podcast Dad's first podcast fucking brain clapping one more time. Let's go We got that on the podcast. Let's go Dude, how'd you approach that? How do you how do you go after that happens and then have to perform these like I? sat in the green room very quietly for about 20 minutes and I sat in the green room very quietly for about 20 minutes

and just had this whole thing in my head that was like, I'm not gonna, I'm not dealing with this right now. And I literally just like took it and moved it out of my brain. You have to go to tunnel. And went right into show mode. Just like nothing happened. Because that fan was right in front of me the whole night. What'd he do?

He just looked white as a ghost, but happy to be there. He needed your words. Singing along. That's why that's what I felt. Like, I got to make sure I give a great show. Like, that's, you know, most important is to bring the love back to the area, right? So so that was that was important to me. And he came to the next show, too.

Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Good dude. Oh, man. I want to get I want to send him some stuff. Yeah. Sweet guy. And did you have a talk with him? I want to get, I want to send him some stuff. Yeah, sweet guy and uh... Did you have a talk with him? I talked to him a little bit, not too much. He was really shaken up it seemed, so I just wanted to let him be, but um... You know, we tried to hook him up as much as we could.

Yeah. And it's a completely random situation, which is insane, dude. It is, and that shit will like really... I, uh... That would've fucked me up. Yeah, I was like, I was definitely having a moment for a minute. That would've not ever gone in the crowd again.

I was worried, like, me doing all the juice stuff and the horror stuff, that I'm gonna get fucking killed one day. Yeah, it's crazy out there these days. Yeah. But it goes back to fear. We're not gonna let fear control us. No, you do it in a very bring us all together way. I think it's brilliant. Yeah, and that people, I mean,

you doing that show after your boy almost died, because you know the people needed it, is you're the same way. It's, yeah, it's just, I think that's our jobs, right? Yeah, so that's why, you know the people needed it is you're the same way. It's, yeah, it's just, I think that's, it's our jobs, right? Yeah. So that's why, you know, going into the next chapter of your life, Mahali, the solo act, the artist formerly known as Mahali.

Kind of like that. Um, you know, we talk about heavy stuff, but I also want to talk about what's the difference between writing songs at 30 versus writing songs at 14 when it was just the vessel now It's like you have to play like fuck the kids are asleep. My wife's gone I gotta fucking have this vessel open up or do you feel like how you approaching songwriting now? So I used to be very much like not don't force it. Just let it come when it comes real riding the vessel vibe and

and So I would usually write Maybe one or two three songs a year with twiddle and and I would kind of be writing I had always had songs that weren't total songs that I just sort of kept on the side and when twiddle, when we took the break, I had a full on like panic, like full on crisis that I had no song. I wasn't prepared for this new chapter

or whatever that I'm entering into. And I freaked out and I just, I think out of the fear and, like, the fear of the unknown and not having enough material and being prepared and getting albums ready, and I just felt like I was already behind. You know what I mean? I threw all the old rules out and just started cranking out songs.

Right. I wrote 24 songs in like two or three months and that's this album that's coming out on Friday and then it's the album that's gonna be coming out shortly after that and it was just like this bruh of tunes and it's crazy. I've never done that before. It's never been like that but it totally opened the door

for my thinking of like you can write a song whenever the fuck you want, right? You know what I mean? It's like well also the cleansing of the past life you had I had a lot of feelings and a lot and this is definitely there's definitely a lot of themes in this Bro, I'm listening to this song, brother. I'm listening to this record, bro. I'm like, holy shit, my dude. Yeah. But like, you know, that breaks me to the point. And I know we, you know, it's like, maybe you needed this. Yeah.

This cleanse of being in a solo, just doing it solo for a second to get these. Cause it's hard when you're with someone with bandmates for so long, it's hard to actually express how you want to feel yeah it is or express how you want to talk to them yeah it's it's it's difficult it's like being married to yeah you know and and there's just so many years of everything compiled onto it that make it, you know.

Oh yeah, dude. Same thing with me and Sean, 15 years. We wanna fucking kill each other every now and then, then we gotta realize, oh fuck, we're stuck with each other. I mean, at the end of the day, there's no greater bond than you have with your bros. Yeah, there's nothing. So what really happened?

Why do you, why'd you want to take, why'd you want to take a hiatus? Oh, you know, there were a lot of factors and I'm not sure exactly what one, I don't think there was one, one that like really like, but for me, I just, you know, I was not enjoying the music as much, playing it. There just always was a place for me.

I just really felt like I needed a break. Right. Fatigue. I really did. Like, I really needed some time away from that and that whole world so that I could really appreciate it and love it again, like with my whole heart, because it had been so intense after COVID. It just kind of always felt like an uphill battle and it was just really weighing on me.

I just wasn't right mentally and, you know, Stenek was the first one to notice it and just be like, you don't seem happy. You know what I mean? Like, and you know, I think we all felt it to some degree. Um, it's, it's tough, man. It's 20 years. I know.

It was 19 years we did that and through all kinds of ups and downs. And so a break was, was needed. It was 19 years we did that and through all kinds of ups and downs. And so a break was needed. It was, I don't think it would have sustained if we hadn't decided to take a break. I think it would have crashed and burned for me too. You know what I mean? And I never ever, ever would want that. So, you know what's the problem with our types of bands? Is we don't, now that we're like,

kinda like getting outside of the jam scene, you're seeing album cycles. Yeah. That was never our bands. No, no. We've had the, the way we made money was to play every single day, all year. It's not like, oh, we'll go on tour for three months,

the record will help pay for us when we're off the road. We never had that. So, of course you're feeling fatigued. You're with the motherfuckers for 20 years every day, man. Yeah, no. I mean, you know, and... I don't know when we'll make our triumph and return, but it'll happen. It's just like, there's no rushing it, there's no forcing it. And for us, it's all, it's just got to be right. And everybody's got to be like really into it and want to do it again and healthy

and happy. Like that's the most important thing, you know? And it's like, it's okay to do other things. It is. And you know, it's, it's okay to write other kinds of music and to express yourself in the most genuine form that you have in those moments Right, you know what I mean? But I want to be performing and writing the songs that are really meaning the most to me in this moment

You know in this moment you nailed in the head in this moment. That's why it took you guys taking a little break before the And then all of a sudden, dude, so many songs. Remember like when you hit me about Circus Life? I sent you first, right? Yeah, you sent me right. I was like, dude, this is our life, dude. Yeah.

That's why I was like, you must jump on it now. Yeah. What was it like? You were like kind of talking about this Circus Life or something on a conversation we had. I'm like, yeah, you should write that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it very much feels like a traveling circus.

And if you look at the history of circuses and the way they toward around and put the show on every day, I mean, it is. That's in an interesting way, you know? Yeah. And like, OK, so what's the most meaningful song on this new record? Ooh.

Yeah. on this new record. Ooh. Yeah. I really like going home. Why? I don't know. Something really, there's something so nostalgic for me about that song.

When I play it, I feel those feelings. Like, I really feel like my childhood again. Yeah. And like, New York City specifically, just like, almost like I can even smell it, like, when I'm playing that song. For some reason, that song just really, there was like a passion coming out of me when I was writing it.

You know what I mean? And it's just... Was that the first song you wrote for the record, you think? Yeah, that's the first song. So I did the record with Spencer Thompson. That's the first one I sent him and was like, hey, do you think you could do something with this? And he's like, oh, fuck yeah, I love this.

And sent me back the fully mocked. And I was like, we're doing a record. You know, so. So you haven't made a record with him before? No, no, no. That was the first song I just sent it to him just to like, you know, it was like, see if I try a guy out, see if you wanna work with him,

see if the styles match. And he'd be like, Dude, you guys fucking flow, dude, that whole record, damn. So it was like a perfect fit and I knew it right away when he sent it back. And honestly, it was amazing working with him. He seemed to capture what I was hoping in my head

to come out of the full produced product. Where did he live? Nashville. Oh, cool. He plays guitar in the moon taxi. Oh, yeah, yeah. And we've done shows with those, so you know. Wes is a baller too, dude.

Wes is the man, for sure, yeah. I wrote a song called Tears of My Cocaine with Sunday's Turn to Monday and there's Tears of My Cocaine. I wrote it with Gal Buda. Hell yeah. But we had Wes be the piano. Yeah. And that was a, and I, Wes is,

all those dudes are kinda. They're in that. They're a fucking, they're in that, that's why we need to go out there and write some tunes with all those guys. Yeah, no, I'm, yeah. I mean, Spencer was just so fast, so efficient, so versatile in like style and what,

you know, what the songs could be. He did every song production wise? I had Nate from Aurora Wave doing Sunshine and Up to like the Harder Reggae songs and then Denim produced the Little Stranger tune. Oh really? Yeah yeah. Oh that's a cool collab. That was great. I've Denim's the man and I absolutely love his production style. So I was really stoked. Oh, he's got a crazy fucking life. You and him kind of have this similar.

We just, I was just with him in LA. We wrote a tune together, it was awesome. You and him kind of have the same wavelength in how you process lyrics. He's, I mean, honestly, he's brilliant. I haven't worked with someone in the studio quite like him who just is, just ideas just come from him. It's amazing, you know, it's really cool.

Have you had John from a little stranger produce a track yet? No, but I should. Dude, he's the fucking best. Like, truly is one of the goats. Yeah, I believe it. I mean, all their music is just fucking amazing. The hardest part of working with Sean is he doesn't start working until like 2 or 3 a.m. in the morning. Oh, he's a night owl.

Dude. That's where all the crazy, his crazy ideas burrow in. Hey man, some people are like that. I mean, you gotta work when you know you're gonna be in that zone. What do you like in that zone? I'm, I, I do, well, I don't know. I mean, this album is called Before the Dream. Because when I was in that zone of just cranking out tunes, I was conceptualizing them right before I fell asleep every night. Because there's this this fucking What is this golden? Time period where you're like basically asleep

So your subconscious is like just starting to come in and like work on stuff But I found that if I just really focused on songs and like ideas and even like little lyrics or whatever that's where the concepts for the songs were coming from. And then I'd wake up and write it down. Just like write down what I was thinking about and write the song the next day. It was like this weird like subconscious formula that was happening in my brain about like, you know,

even like chords, I was just like, I don't know. So that's why it's called Before the Dream, because all those tunes sort of were whipped up, at least sort of conceptually, right before I fell asleep. Dude, what fucking... It's like, uh... You're kind of like edging. -♪ Hahahaha! Yes! -♪ Yeah!

You're like, I'm not gonna come, like... I'm not gonna come. I'm gonna let the brain fucking do the thing, and I'm gonna wake up, I'm gonna gonna come, like, I'm not gonna come. I'm gonna let the brain fucking do the thing and I'm gonna wake up, I'm gonna write it down. I'll be like, my psychopathic athle will just wanna come. You know, just put me to bed. What I would do though, it was less like writing it down. It was more like I would just remember

what I was thinking about and sort of obsess on it all day till it was time to grab the guitar and just go. Right. You know what I mean? Fucking crazy. Okay, a lot of, couple more. I wanna talk about the record now. Yeah. And I wanna get Mike in here. Okay.

What was the hardest, you know, the collabs? I love the idea of the collabs of getting your name out of Jam World into different worlds. Yeah. What was the hardest part of always thinking about collabs on the record? Well you know there's two ways to go about collabs I think. One is you're you're writing the song with someone in mind intentionally and that usually goes better for you because you kind of are handing someone something that you think

they're gonna be into you know what I? That is kind of catered a little bit to their taste, so they're more likely to want to hop on it. So... are you thinking of that artist before you're writing it? Well, that's what I'm saying. Sometimes, with Kraz, when I did Breathe and Let Go... That one's cool, too. Like, Kraz would always be like,

we should get, like, Heart Song's a good example. You know, we should get Cope on this tune. And I was like, oh man, that'd be amazing. And he... I think his production style from that point on sort of leaned into that sound, you know what I mean? Right. Whereas on this record, I didn't really write...

I had you in mind, and that's why that one was a little more like strummy and stuff, you know what I mean? Yeah, folky. But the other ones I just left blank spaces and then would sit there and Try and think like who would be good on this and that was harder for me to like and even to To ask some people because I'd asked some people full kind of knowing it wasn't really their vibe and they're probably gonna say no But I just like love their style. And that did happen a few times, you know,

a couple people passed on a few songs and then that's totally, that's awesome. That's not a big deal, but like, there were some tunes that I wanted to feature on and I just couldn't find the right person. So I pulled it through a guitar solo. And so I did it. Cause like, then you're like,

then you're, it's like in your brain, like who am I catering the song to? Myself or the artist? Right. You know? At the end of the day it should always be... Some of the best ones are when you're finished with the song and then the light bulb goes off

on the guy that's gonna be perfect for it. And those are almost always, you send it to them and they're like, oh fuck yeah, I'm gonna... Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. So this new world into reggae, how do you feel about it? I love it.

I think the fans are amazing. The scene is incredible. It's growing every year. I've seen it grow so much. And you know, I love the bands. I mean, I've just made so many friends in the scene and just like the jam scene, like any scene, you know, you come homies with all people you're touring with.

Right. You know, it's very family-oriented and... I love it, too. It's a lot of weed. Yeah, you love that. I do. Can I? Yeah, blaze it up.

Get that blunt. Yeah, I love that. It's a lot of weed. You know what? Know what I realized too? The fan base is really nice and they're not as like college football leave, like they pick one fucking band. That's something I love about it.

They support all the bands. I see people at all the shows, you know, it's not, I mean, I'm sure they have their favorite bands, you know what I'm saying? But you don't get a lot of, as much of the, my band's better than your band mentality. Yeah, or just like making it feel like college sports, all the fan base, like you pick one, you pick one.

I'm like, shut the fuck up, dude. Like, you know, a lot of different fan base, I won't tell you who who but you know who you are All I know How do you take the shit talking? It affect me a lot with twiddle. I think I made a lot of I internalize that stuff too much me too And I just shut off from it now. I wrote that and that's part of why I'm removed right a little bit from the fan world a little bit,

because I just, I don't understand people being mean for the sake of being mean, just doesn't like, I don't really understand that. Yeah, you're out here fuckin', talkin' shit from your mom's basement, you dirtin', beatin' off into a sock, and you're tryin' to talk about my boy Mahali, or talk about me, or my fuckin' boys and pigeons.

Go suck a dick. Thank you. That's all, you don't have to say it. I'll say it. It's fine. It's fine. You know, I love passion in general, so I can't hate on that.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, respect. It's the just going out of your way to be mean. You know, why go to a show with the intention to not like it or something like that? I'm just going to show you're gonna like it. Yeah, that's why I had to get out of those chat rooms. Those my drug bands are better than your drug band things. Oh, I, that was the first thing I had to leave.

You know, people's opinions of you and your band become so like, you start to feel like people like think they own you or something. It's very weird feeling. I hate that. Yeah. What about when you have to change the set list all the time? Sometimes you want to play songs. The only thing I had a problem with that,

I enjoyed the challenge of trying to come up with a new show every night. It definitely became a burden sometimes when I wasn't feeling as creative or feeling a little stuck in what we were able to provide in that way. But the thing that bothered me the most about it was when someone would come up to me and say, like,

hey, man, I drove nine hours to see this show, and I brought my daughter in. Our favorite song is whatever, Lost in the Cold. And I'd have to be like Bro, we played it last night. I know Like I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. It should be okay to play a couple songs tonight tonight I don't think that you see that you see that Sturgill video from Mission Ballroom. He's like, listen all you jam band nerds You guys stop being spoiled bitches. We'll play some old songs that we didn't play last night, but I'm also going to play songs that we played last time because I just like

fucking playing them. Respect. I love Sturgill. Sturgill. Dude, that was my first time seeing him. He's one of my favorites and we were into him with Twiddle like kind of before he was even a bigger name. Yeah, he's brilliant. He's a credible, a credible songwriter. Mike, get in here. We're almost done. Momo.

How'd you meet Mike? Through Adrian. But actually not through Adrian. Mike actually played with Twiddle a long time ago. We got Mahali Saks playing Mike here. That's how we got him. That's how we did. So yeah, no, we've been playing together for a while. We got Mahali Sax playing Mike here. That's how we do it.

So yeah, no, we've been playing together for a while. Like 2017 I was doing some horns with Twiddle and stuff like that. He came, he played a show, I don't know if it was... I think it was New Haven? Solo band, but he gave me his phone number like after we met. I met you through Wild Adriotic. Yeah. And I already had his phone number in my phone as Mike the tenor guy I was like we must have played together at some point. Yeah, we played with total.

Isn't it crazy like I have Richie and you have Mike. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's awesome. Gotta love Richie. Shout out Rich Derbyshire. Love you boy. I love Richie. So when you got the call because basically you're you're the wingman right now in the band. Yeah, I love it. Through the band stuff, but even the solo, like when you're doing the whole one-man band, you still bring Mike. So what have you learned about each other musically? We read each other really well. We react to how we play together in a really in-sync way.

Do you smoke as much weed as this motherfucker? Not quite as much. He smokes though. Yeah, he smokes. Don't. He smokes though. Don't let him fool you. Clean cut look. What are the challenges of duo shows? Just making the sound big. We get along very well because he's very go with the flow, which is very much my style as far as shows go. Not a ton of rehearsing, a lot of just like

seeing what we can do on stage, but it's just two of us up there trying to make as much sound as we can with what we've got. So that's always just the challenge is. And it's fun too, going in with the different gear setups that we have and being able to kind of fine tune each song to make it sound as big and as much of an experience for the audience, it's a fun challenge.

This tour's been good. I feel like we've dialed into some different stuff. Yeah, I feel like every time we get to play together, we kind of figure out something new that was like, oh, that shit's cool, keep doing that. Like the differences I've been seeing, cause I've seen now we've done a couple rounds with you doing a night. You're getting comfortable on the fucking drums, dude.

Yeah. Of building the drums, like how like? Yeah, it's like so much muscle memory at this point. I want to get better at it though. I will say that's sort of like my next goal is to add a little more flavor in that department. No, I mean, you're getting, I mean, the dynamic. I mean, I'm watching, I'm watching Johnny.

Yeah. And, like, the way those, some of the other loopers are doing it. Oh, yeah, Johnny's fucking king at that shit. Dude, watching him with that fucking slick little right foot stroke he's got, I've never seen anything like that. Dude, and then like, building the track before he starts the track.

The way he does it is completely different than the way I do it, but I like the way he does it better. Like than the way I do it But I like the way he does it better like I was watching him a lot trying to figure out You know how I could maybe take some of his steez and throw it into my shit. Yeah, he's the king of that shit. Um Yeah, it's gotta be pressure you ever fuck up the loop like hey, I've done a few things So I always there's a time where I'll I won't hit the beatbox loop perfectly and it'll it quantizes and it does this like Yeah, it overcorrects it. It's so weird and that happens a lot and then also I have a clear So what do you do? You have to clear it?

Yeah, and then I get my head But I've learned to not try and do it again and just move on and then come back to it Cuz I'll fuck it up again. Oh cuz then you're gonna fuck it up twice in a row Then you just gotta move on yeah so like and I there's a clear all button which has been a bane to me because I Forget sometimes that it's the clear all big in the middle of a song and kill the whole loop and then you're really fucked Then you have to like laugh and start a new song and that's all you can do And then you're really fucked then you have to like laugh and start a new song and that's all you can do

That's like when someone turns off the DJ It's really bad the whole thing goes and Mike's like in the middle of like, you know, it's you're like so has your day Actually, my guitar went down last night and I couldn't figure out we had about four or five minutes of pretty awkward It's like right at the end of the set was it was rough. All right, I got one more. Was Mike just doing some jazz? No, he should have done some like some. Do do do do do do do do. There's some Kenny G stuff. So the new chapter of Mahali, it's been, I love it.

I personally think it's great. Thank you. I think you're writing great songs and I could see the smile on your face again. And you got a good man on you. You still got Al rockin'. Oh yeah. And you know, we have the band,

the homies are still around. How many kids you have now? I have three kids. Three kids. How old are they? They are nine, six, and three. I heard a little rumor. What's that?

You getting married or you married? Not yet. You I got a baby. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah. Thanks, man. Damn. Penelope Rose, we call her Poppy, five months old. Any advice for young Padawan about kids, Mahali?

Oh man, I'll take it. You'll never have all the answers. Just do your best, lead with your heart and as much love as you can muster and they'll be fine. I mean I think that our human nature, if you're a good person, like the instinct comes out and you know what to do, you know what I mean? And it doesn't ever feel like a burden because it's, it's like you want to do all of it. Right. 100%.

With, with passion, you know what I mean? So it's, it's, you know, meaning of life, all those questions, there's, there is just nothing that compares to, to that really. So. Yeah. Nothing compares to you. That's exciting. Yeah, man.

But you know, he's good. He is great. Thank you, brother. So what about call, late night calls? What about morning calls? Do not miss a phone call, right? Yeah, I mean, you don't, you'd never want to miss a phone call, especially in Yeah, I mean, you never want to miss a phone call, especially in the middle of the night or something like that.

But yeah, communication is important. Well, thank you for communicating with me today. I love you, Andy. I love you too. It wasn't too much of a grill session, was it? No, we didn't even get to why Twitter broke up. All right, what's my last question? I'm good, I'm good. And for the record, we didn't break up,

everybody. No, no. We're on a break and breaks take time. That's all it is, okay? So, everybody's so passionate. Just, you know, give it time. Michael Jordan also played baseball, people. That's all I gotta say. Let Mahalak do his fucking thing for a second, okay?

Chill out. But I'm, you know, we've been getting closer and closer as our friendship is we're just trusting each other more and know that I have your back. I know that you have my back. 100%. And we, you know, we're watchboys. We always, everything, you're right,

we're bonding through timepieces. We love timepieces. We do love timepieces. We do love timepieces. We won't talk about it, because we don't want to get robbed. But. Um. Um.

Yep, yep, yep. Um. My last question is, you know, through all the years of growing, and you know, what does this solo project, what do you want this solo project for people to remember it by? So you know how like musicians have their,

the ones that we love, they go through their phases, their chapters, you know what I mean? Right. And I think sometimes that's hard for fanbases that liked the first chapter, like the original music. Right. And I was definitely like that as a fan,

you know what I mean? But as I became an artist, and this is all we have, this is our number one outlet for everything to us. It's like, it's our entire being, right? Our whole identity. So you put the music out that you're so... This is me right now. This is like who I am as an artist.

This is your watch. Yeah. And this is how I'm feeling. And this is the music I want to be making. This is the music that makes me happy. I love hearing everyone singing along to these songs already that aren't even, you know, the album's not even out yet. And that means more to me than anything, you know?

Having people love the tunes. And so really, you know, I don't know. This is what I have and this is what I'm the most passionate about. So I hope they like it. They will. Grab Mahal's new record. Also just go to the live show.

It's a really good live show. It is. The duo show is really good. And I think it's getting better every night and I think we got some tricks up our sleeves that we'll be able to pull out soon. Yeah, and like you're not, you're not, you know, you're not playing Twiddle songs.

No, I play my favorite ones. Yeah, so it's like, he's not just saying, yo, fuck this, this is my past. He's actually, you're doing it all not just saying yo fuck this. I'm this is my past. He's actually You're doing it all and that's what I respect too. Yeah Thank you. All right. Good luck out there. Go buddy. Go to Omaha and Eat some steaks. Do they do steaks no more is that just a company? Actually, that's a good question. I mean, yeah, they do stuff course. They're known for steaks, right? Yeah. Yeah

I'm gonna get a steak tonight go get um yeah going downtown We're playing high dive or not Yeah, what's that place going the low slow down slow down? That's cool room though. Yeah, I know it's great room So is that by yourself or with hip-up induction and shout out to those guys? Oh my god been a great tour, and they're such a great band. Yeah, so so good at first I was pissed cuz you're supposed to play a Ballroom, but as a business decision, I thought it was great that you picked them. Was I supposed to do Mission? Yeah, you picked them over me. Fuck you. Ouchie. Yeah, you did. You sure fucking did. Hey man. Ben Farouk, John Badger, John Badger, Motherfuckers, Jesus Christ.

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