Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 4: Keller Williams

Episode Date: April 17, 2018

Join the Fro and Yeti as they dive deep into the waters of self-reflection. Were mushrooms at play? YOU be the judge. Our good buddy, Keller Williams joins in on the interview hour and reprimands Andy on his levels. Anxiety abounds, but worry not because modern day troubadour, Caleb Hawley is here to soothe you with his dulcet voice. This is Episode 4. For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com To keep up with the podcast, follow us on Instagram @WorldSavingPodcast For more information on our guest Keller Williams, visit: https://kellerwilliams.net/ And don't forget to check out the inimitable, Caleb Hawley Produced by Andy Frasco Yeti Chris Lorentz Engineered by Chris Lorentz Featuring Arno Baaker Shawn Eckels 

And now, a message from Andy and Caleb Hawley. You get all these big ideas when you're wasted. You know, these dreams and aspirations or... When I mean wasted, I don't mean drunk. I don't mean when you're wasted on love, wasted on life. When you're letting your body be a vessel. That's when you find your greatest ideas, I think. You stop overanalyzing your brain or overanalyzing your thoughts and just be an open source of energy.

That's where you find exactly what you're looking for, I think. exactly what you're looking for, I think. If it's love, if it's work, if it's a good friend, whatever you're looking for in your life at this point, the only way you're going to find the answer is if you open up. Just like a vessel.

Just like a vessel. Just like a vessel. Don't you want somebody to lighten your load? Don't you want somebody to think of you when you're away? Don't you want somebody, somebody like me? Somebody, somebody like me Don't you want somebody to make you breakfast? Talking over coffee in the living room Don't you want somebody to watch all your favorite shows with me? Don't you want somebody, somebody like me? And as the world keeps spinning, we'll keep living by each other's side

Until we pass on through this life It's you and I, it's you and I Until we pass on through this life It's you and I, yeah Yeah Here we are again. We made it through another winter. Episode four is the Andy Frasco World Saving Podcast with the Yeti. What's up, Yeti? Hi.

How we living? Living well. Yeah? Everything good? Yeah. Things are really well. Man, things are going well with me. I'm just finishing my tour. I've been on the road for about two and a half months. I did six countries. I'm feeling international as fuck right now.

How the fuck did we get to episode four? And we haven't talked about your travels East. Yeah, man. I don't know. We were too interested. I'm you, you did new years again.

I did new years in Macau, China. Yeah. Which was a blast. And this is how many years in a row you've done. This is my sixth year in China. We played. You're, you've got a following over there. Yeah. It's crazy. Huge in China. Yeah. Which was a blast. And this is how many years in a row you've done this? This is my sixth year in China. You've got a following over there. Yeah, it's crazy. You're huge in China.

Yeah. I want to make sure it's, let's say we're huge in China and then point down. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you're six foot. I mean, you're a giant, except for that Yao Ming tribe. Oh my God. I had this, we had on New Year's Eve, Asia was crazy full of stories, but New Year's Eve we had a, I had these two look like Asian businessmen

kind of corner me in the cigarette area. I was smoking a cigarette and they're like, oh, Mr. Frasco, just watch your show. So good, so good, so good. Is there any way me and my friend could have sex with you? What? Yeah, dude. Holy shit.

And it was like, I didn't see that coming. It wasn't like, like, like rapey. It was like, just like, they wanted to like appreciate my,

my artwork by having a threesome. And I was like, ah, I love, nah, I don't really swing that way, dude. I'm like,

I'm sorry. Did you bow? Or were you like, I bowed really swing that way, dude. I'm like, I'm sorry. Did you bow? Or were you like, yeah? I bowed backwards. Like I was like, oh, no, thank you. No, thank you. No, thank you. I got to go back.

It's like, left my cigarette in the smoking room. For those of you who don't know, like I've seen this happen in person with Frasco. Like, I don't know if you remember this. The first time we did a thing together, we were in Bend, Oregon for a 10 barrel brewing company.. The first time we did a thing together, we were in Bend, Oregon and for a 10 barrel brewing company. And the first time we did a thing together, you, there was a break and you got off stage and there, do you remember the guy that was like, basically kind of my, like my evil twin there? Yeah. Yeah. It was front. I mean, this guy was

huge though. Like he had shoulders. He was bigger than you. Yeah. He was bigger than me. 6'9", 6'8". Yeah. He was, he was massive and he was built. like this guy was built and hacksaw jim duggins jim duggins is what i think of when i think of this guy do you know who hacksaw jim duggins yes you know oh you know like and so do you remember you're off stage and we're kind of we're kind of in the background and this guy comes up and he's like you rock man and he like puts his hands together and like puts them to his fist and i'm like i think this guy wants to either suck your dick or worship you. I don't know what's going on. You know,

like, I don't, I don't know. Like, I don't, I try not to be a dick. No, you weren't a dick,

but you did that half step back. Like your, it was that it was your first step. The first step was like, not forward. It was definitely backwards. And then Hannah was like, Hannah,

we love Hannah. She came. Hi, Hannah. Thanks for bringing us together. I said, i'd give her a shout out and i would yeah thank you and hannah and ashley and everybody over there um we love you guys and sponsor our podcast yeah do it please do this is the fourth episode this is a hard plug um so we um but uh she's like can you get this guy out of here and i was like yeah and that was hammered, which you've encountered that before. So, but okay.

So we got off track. This, these guys wanted to sleep with you. Yeah. Yeah. And these guys are some, some business suits. Yeah.

They're like, you know, they didn't really, were they like offering you money? Was this like a business deal? It was like, it was like a bucket list item. Like a,

yeah. Like an American rock star. It's like a hug for these guys. With my best friend. Yeah. Please fuck me and my friend. I'm like, I don't know, dude. This is a thing.

All right. Asians have little weird kinky little- You watch all- You mean fetishes? There's some kinks and some fetishes. Have you watched Asian porn before? I mean, the only thing that- They got some weird shit.

The only thing I know about Asian porn is that they block it out. Really? And I'm like, I don about Asian porn is that they block it out. Really? And I'm like, I don't want to watch that. I want American porn where I get to see everything. In Japan, you could buy at vending machines, girls use panties. Whoa. Legit, huh? It was crazy.

We got to go to China and then we- No, that stuff's mass produced in a factory in China somewhere. They figured it out. It was a 3D printer. Also known as a loom. Just a little light brown stain on the under... Gross. I don't know what to think about that.

It's into the fabric. I don't know why it has to be... I just made a discovery of my own right there in that moment here on the World Saving Podcast. The original 3D printer was the loom. Think about it. I love it. Yeah.

All right. Yeah, I went to China. Yeah, what else? You went to China, and then you guys did a little band vacay. Yeah. Yeah, and you guys went to the capital of Thailand. I took the band to Bangkok. Which was a bad idea.

Yeah. Why, Andy? Well. What happened? Tell me the story. So I've been microdosing mushrooms. Yeah. Always a good idea.

So I brought a bunch into Thailand and just like smuggled them, I guess. That's weird that you would go because they're cheaper there. They are cheaper there, but I didn't trust it. And you trusted what you had. Yeah. I got like a spiritual doctor. Yeah. I've met this person. Yeah.

They're great. Cool. And I agree. Yeah, so- Go ahead. I drugged the whole band. Oh my God. Even Ernie.

Ernie doesn't take drugs. Ernie does not. And that's- A lot of people don't know that about Ernie Chang. Doesn't smoke weed. He's not. He's straight up. Straight up.

He drinks like an asshole. Yeah, he's a fish. He drinks like a fish. Yep. But that's like criteria to be in this band, I think. Yeah. Oh, you can't drink? I'm sorry.

So we went to Bangkok and I wanted to see it all. Yeah, yeah. So you drug the whole band. I drugged the whole band. I gave them all 3.5 grams. Okay. So that's like a full dose but i put them in a tea okay so they they felt like it was just like a taste like frasca with his hippie ass teas again so fuck and i got him did you tell him no you did not i didn't tell him i didn't tell him until i started kicking

in because ernie was freaking out a little bit i'm like okay dude i gotta tell you we're all on mushrooms we're all on the same thing. We're going to do this together. We're in Thailand. We got to take care of each other. So there's six white Americans tripping balls into a country they've never been in.

It was insane. It was so fun, man. Thailand, it was so relaxing. Now I understand Buddhism. I really understand Buddhism. so fun man thailand is uh it was so relaxing i now i understand like buddhism like really yeah now it's so everyone's happy they have no money they're poor or very poor country and the worldly possession level is the scale is tipped in our direction yeah it's insane and they're immensely happier than we are yeah it's um's unbelievable. So I was in Bangkok and we just, you know, there's like tuk-tuts, you know,

like those little like motorcycles. That's like a- Yeah, I saw that. I remember seeing the videos of you guys doing that stuff. Oh my God. So, you know, you don't realize time is nothing when you're on hallucinogens. Right.

So- So what time of night? You put this in the tea? Around 6 p.m. 6 p.m. Right after dinner. Right after dinner. Everything's so cheap out there. So you could have dinner for 75 cents and have a full meal.

So we're fed. Everyone's good. The mushrooms start kicking in when we get to this. It's like you have to dial on a pay phone this code. And if you don't know the code, you can't get in. It's a bootleg cabana bar, like a Cuban bar. It's,

it was unbelievable. It was fun. All of a sudden, you know, you see everyone's, you know, you go to that, you,

you make that left turn when you're on mushroom. You've never taken a loose jeans. No, I have not. Yeah. So for those of you who are following along at home, I'm just like, I'm over here.

Like, uh-huh. Tell me more. Okay. Yeah. I haven't done this. And you and I have talked about it. You've only smoked weed, right? I uh-huh. Tell me more. Okay. Yeah. I haven't done this. And you and I have talked about it. You've only smoked weed, right?

I smoked weed and I've done cocaine. Okay. Yeah. But you haven't done like LSD or anything? No, I've never done it. The only psychoactive is weed. Maybe we should try one. Yeah.

I definitely want to, I want to do it. And you know, my girlfriend and I talk about this all the time and the world. And I, you know, I had mentioned the last episode, a documentary called Heal that everyone should watch, go out, find it on iTunes, get it. Just buy it. It's worth it. Anyway, we talk about this all the time and the power of what exists in our world naturally to do this.

And you guys experienced this in, of all places, Bangkok, Thailand. And you guys end up at this, you're going and you're like, oh, there's the place we got to be. And you got to dial in this code and what happens next? So we get in, they give you like one of those Cuban hats and they give you Cuban cigar and they give you like a, like a robe. I don't know. I guess it's like a big, I don't know.

I never- A rope? A rope. R-O-P-E. A rope. They give you a rope to hang yourself at the end of it. No, a robe. A robe.

Oh, I heard rope. There's echoes in this room. It's weird. Yeah, it's crazy. So the drug started kicking in and we're like okay let's get out of here so we didn't realize we were in that bar for four and a half hours

so we got there and they gave us a robe and then we were like alright we gotta go yeah I think it was like four and a half hours later yeah so it's now maybe I don't know it was probably like 12 o'clock and they have this place called Cowboy Alley where it's basically just like prostitutes everywhere.

That makes sense. Cowboy Alley. Somebody's got a ride. Yeah. But we didn't realize we walked into the Lady Boy bar. Oh, yeah. Those are the good ones though. Well, it was funny watching my band flirt,

not knowing that these chicks are dudes you know did you know i could adam apple i could tell oh i mean i take mushrooms i've been taking mushrooms you were microdosing straight yeah you've been microdosing and full dosing yeah six days on four days off yeah and um so i know like i i these guys don't explain that six days on so you six days how much do, how much are you doing each day? I only take one gram a day. One gram a day. So, and you just said what you guys took is 3.5 grams.

We took, yeah. So we took a full dose. That's full capsule. So one gram, you don't hallucinate. However you had it, yeah. 3.5, you start feeling fuzzy, blah, blah, blah. Okay. So, and I'm just keeping to myself, like, oh my God,

these guys are buying these lady boys drinks. Oh my God. Which means they buying these ladyboys drinks. Oh my God. Which means they're buying sex from them. Yeah. How many people came at the same time with a ladyboy inside of them? We had. You remember that?

Yeah. On the hangover? Yeah, dude. Oh honey, we came at the same time. It'd be beautiful. It really felt like hangover because like I, you know, I went to the bathroom,

I walked back because they charge you for drinks. Like you pay for their company, you have to buy them a drink. Right, exactly. All of a sudden, I see this. Our bill is like $400 American dollars. That's a lot of money in Thailand. It's a lot of drinks because they're charging full bill. They're charging Vegas prices.

It's $15 for a cocktail. So I took a piss and I walked back and all of a sudden there's 15 lady boys surrounding my band and i am shit hysterically cracking up they're dancing to like to this like 70s disco music house music i was about to break into it like it was like dancing queen and stuff and i was just crying saturday night fever all over the place and then we got the bill and I wasn't laughing anymore. You were not laughing at that point. Yeah, I'm like, fuck it.

I paid the bill and we got out. And then that's, you know, now it's about 2 a.m., 3 a.m. This is when like they take the tourists to the scary places. This is, so you're at the point in the night where we got to freak you the fuck out and never come back here again is what it comes. Or if you come back, you're doing what you're doing. You're putting your ban on mushrooms and making them trip the whole time.

So how long do you, so you guys took these at 6 p.m. And trips last eight hours. Eight hours. So you guys about, we're about to come off. We're feeling good. I mean, now by this time we've been, we've drank in two bottles of vodka. Oh geez you know just in the food there like i got bad stomach we all got stomach

sickness so like we couldn't eat anything so we're just super drunk just drinking alcohol all the time and it sounds like spring break you can't drink the water you can't drink the ice cube that's what got us sick we were drinking vodkaas. So now we're drinking straight vodka without ice or anything. And it just felt like my dad. That's what he does. That's your dad's drink? Vodka straight. Straight vodka.

Forever. But yeah, it was crazy. So then 2, 3 a.m., what happens next? These Tuk Tuks. All I hear is ping pong, ping pong, ping pong show? Ping pong show? Ping pong show. And I've kind of heard about this and I'm like, screw it. If we're already this far into this adventure, let's go.

One night in Bangkok can make a hard man humble. Honestly. Wow. This is what happens. Exactly. And so we go to this really, it looked like a VFW, but all the lights are off. With like a fluorescent stripper pole. It's a VFW looking but all the lights are off. With like a fluorescent stripper pole. How does it always end in a VFW looking thing?

It was so shady. You could tell that it was a tourist trap because it was only white people. And then they keep it really dark because the girl, I mean, they're fucking each other and... This is inside it's really dark.

Inside this VFW. So yeah, you go in and what's going on fluorescent so it's like it was it felt like very mafia gangster

yeah yeah so I walk in there with the band and we're just smiling like we did it guys we're at the ping pong show and no idea what you're about to encounter

no and it was you thought you were going to see some crazy Asian ping pong I did yeah you full on expected like grand champion,

like just sweats and somebody's going to die at the end of it. Like ping pong meets blood sport. That's what you expected. Yeah. The opening that the opener for the event was this girl and a guy fucking in different positions and they're a white dude, but like they're doing like aerobics fucking like, Oh really?

Like yoga. Yeah. It was really, it's pretty impressive. I gave him a a stand i'm upside fucking down like yeah yeah yeah so after that they take their bow their curtsy and then another everyone every girl or boy had a specific thing they did it was all this was all girls this was a sex talent yeah so the next girl that comes out had a 15 foot rope in her vagina. 15 feet of rope? Like a nylon rope. Yeah.

But like a fluorescent color. Oh shit. So she takes it out. We don't know what's going on. She's just like pulling something out. And she takes enough and throws the rope at my bass player. Oh yeah. And she's like, pull it, pull it.

So he is pulling a 15 foot rope out of her. It was the craziest out. That would kind of freak me out because you're like, her vajee. I mean, that's a really loose vajee. Then after that, the pre-headliner

was a girl where she picked someone to play beer pong with with her vagina. Oh my gosh, she was popping ping pongs out of her pussy. Yeah, and it was insane. So I got to do that. She beat my ass.

She beat you? Oh, it was like, it wasn't even fair. Precision accuracy? It was like 18 to six. Not even close. Not even close. You got six lucky shots. Yeah, and they were like-

You were wasted though. Yeah, I was pretty wasted, but still it's impressive. They say you're supposed to be better. I'm normally a good ping pong player. I'm a beer pong shots. Yeah. And they were like- You were wasted though. Yeah, I was pretty wasted. But still, it's impressive. They say you're supposed to be better. I'm normally a good ping pong player. You know, we're a beer pong player. Yeah. So that was pretty cool.

But the best one of all, this girl had to have been like six. She was super tall. She comes, she walks all just majestically, sits down on the VFW floor, puts a dart in her vagina. And her co-host or whatever is 15 feet away with a balloon. And they have a little drum roll.

Boom, boom, boom. And she pops them. She puts, she pops. Darts. She shoots them out of her vagina? Yes. And that was when I was just impressed. All of us did the Academy Awards standing ovation. Are you kidding me? It was insane. darts she shoots him out of her vagina yes now's when i was just like impressed i i we all ever all

of us like did the academy award standing ovation kidding me it was insane man i don't i it's just part of their culture they're all laughing about it like it was unbelievable that was one of the best times of my life so that's we did two we did you only need two days in bangkok hold on how do you be this this chick's this amazon's boyfriend dude Dude, you can't. Like, how do you, like, you're like, oh, if she pisses me off, she's going to shoot. You know, like, that's a lot of, like, I mean, that's lights on all the time for me, no matter what. That's like Kegel work,

right? Like, you got to have a really strong vagina. Yeah. I mean, I'm not even kidding, though. Like, that's a deal breaker as if the lights go off because I don't want to see those things flying at me. Yeah, it's crazy. I don't need a Prince Albert. I don't want that. Yeah.

Yeah, so then we got out of there and we just like had this shit smile because we were with a couple of girls too. I imagine this, you guys rolling out and the sun's coming up and this is like that scene on Varsity Blues. Yeah. After they find out Miss Davis is the stripper.

Exactly. Was that not, how many times did you beat off to that? Varsity Blues? Yeah. Like her? Like that specific, the strip thing.

Those nipples. It was at least 11 a day. I love that movie. Varsity, I love all those like comeback football stories, like Friday Night Lights. Thank you, James Van Der Beek.

Yeah. Thank you, James. Paul, rest in peace. But yeah, Thailand was amazing. What kind of people are you hanging out with to get... I'm just... This is, ladies and gentlemen,

the Idahoan, the Boise boy over here, Yeti, that grew up in a Christian conservative household who has had his mind expanded, but not has an't experienced it firsthand, is just over here about to eat a microphone through that entire story. And the last question, the only question I had is like,

what? I mean, I get it. Like, I love all the guys in the band. I'm not saying, what kind of people are you associating with Andy Frasco? Not looking down my nose. It's just, that's the thought is,

I'm just like. I got some good friends too, hence Yeti. Yeah. You keep me mellow. We try. But one of my, I got to interview one of my friends Yeti. Yeah. It's true. You keep me mellow. We try. But one of my, I got to interview one of my friends actually.

Who's that? Keller Williams. Oh, this guy. Yes. And I heard this episode. He's my boy right now. You hear this? This interview.

I sent you this interview. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man. He let me open for him at this venue called Mishawaka Amphitheater in Colorado. And we just hit it off where he's goofy as fuck.

And he, so we wrote a song together called don't let the haters get you down. This is like, and I've heard this Mexican mariachi song. And, uh, we had a great interview. He was on jam cruise with us and I'm not, I didn't know too many of that scene besides Keller. That was the only guy I knew in that scene that would, that was friends with me, um, that would make friends with me. So it was awesome to have a conversation with him and see my growth and see his growth. And now we just send stupid text messages to each other.

Like thinking of you. Hey, boo-boo. Yeah, I call him at like 5 a.m. sometimes. His wife gets so pissed. What? Yeah, dude. Yeah, we haven't crossed that threshold yet. You will.

You'll get that 5 a.m. back up. I know it's going to happen. I mean, you're crashing on my couch tonight. My go-to is I sing. I try to sing any song in a Michael McDonald voice. Oh, yes. Try to get in the mood. But it's 5 a.m., so they're all pissed off.

So there you have it. Silver Fox. You want to hear this Kelly Williams interview again? I do want to hear Kelly Williams again. Roll it. Enjoy Kelly Williams. If you don to hear this Kelly Williams interview again I do want to hear Kelly Williams again enjoy Kelly Williams if you don't know who Kelly Williams is Kelly Williams is one of the awesome folk artists he's like a one man band

he's in so many different bands he's just a really good guy and we click very well together so enjoy this interview and yeah. J-Drahota J-Drahota J-Drahota J-Drahota

J-Drahota And then file for bankruptcy J-Drahota J-Drahota That's the end of the story. I think, um, Grammys,

watch the fuck out because we just made something that, uh, might be timeless in its own way. Don't steal that. Pat and Keller Williams, 2018 Jam Cruise hotel room. Hotel room. Yeah.

Floating hotel room. They didn't give us a green room, so we're just stuck in this one bedroom, me, two dudes. They gave us a green room. They gave you a green room. You're totally peaking. You're totally peaking. Am I peaking? You're totally peaking. I think I need to turn this down a little bit.

How about that? I'm watching you. Sometimes I always feel like somebody's watching my levels. He is. His name's Louis. I am with a homie that I've always wanted to hang out with. And I finally got to open for him.

And I realized, I think I am his, He is my bastard son. He's 22 years old. He's been doing his Benjamin Button. Benjamin Button? What? Wait, what? Benjamin Button? Yeah, man.

You're like the never... You have so much energy. This is Keller Williams. Everyone say hi to Keller Williams. Ladies and gentlemen, he's here with us in live hotel room action. How are we doing, Keller? I'm great, man. I'm great. I'm living a dream and life is good and I feel pretty good tonight. You feel pretty good? How was your show tonight? I got to see it. It ended weird, but I think all the way through it was

super positive. It started out with kind of like a back and forth, kind of swaying back and forth. Was that from the ocean? The ocean was definitely churning and the room was definitely going back and forth and it felt like

the music was kind of right there with that vibe. And I felt like it was good and I was really happy that I wasn't vomiting. Oh my God. I was thinking the same fucking thing. That'd be bad.

That'd be bad to vomit. How many times have you done these cruises, man? Have you seen anyone just like straight up puke on stage on those things? I have not, no. I have seen trash cans for that. And they're on the stage for that purpose. But I haven't personally seen anyone.

Yeah, I won't get into that. That was the story I should not tell with a microphone in my mouth. I think you should. I want to hear this. No, no, no, no. I'm not going there. You really feel it the most on the theater stage. Yeah, I felt that too.

In the front. You're down inside and you really, really feel it. And then, obviously, up top, it's top heavy. Now, the other boats on Jam Cruise were, I think, a lot bigger and wider. And we never really felt it this much. Possibly it could be the intense weather, but some say that it's possibly a smaller boat that's a little more apt to the sway.

This is a professional-only type of boat. Man, whatever it is. Dramamine patches are being passed out. Whatever it is, it is fucking me up, man. This is day four,, I'm swaying. I try to go off the island and I just, I was swaying all the whole time. How long have you been doing this, man? What's driving you?

What's driving me? Yeah. You've been doing this for a long time. Yeah, the first paid gig was 1986. 1986? That was the first paid gig. I was 16. What town? was the first paid gig. I was 16. What town?

Fredericksburg, Virginia. I think it was the Fredericksburg Country Club. Fredericksburg Country Club. Playing from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. Solo by yourself? Yeah. But this was just,

I had two PV-412s, you know, like a guitar thing. And no horns or anything like that. And a four-channel like church mixer, which you would have like a handle on. And then four channels and the outside knob is the volume and the inside knob is the tone. Basically, it sounded like ass. And I'm singing through this with no horn. This is like 412 PV cabinets.

You're putting your vocals through everything? Yeah, guitar and vocals. And I was using like an offshoot of Ovation 12-string called Celebrity. And it was like made with the same material as what they made the helicopters in Vietnam. And then once Vietnam was over, they had all this material. So Ovation Guitar Company was formed. That's what I was told. That's what I was told.

No fact-checking here, buddy. You say whatever the fuck you want. They might be. They might be. They might be. But basically what I'm saying is it sounded like poop. Oh my God. But I was 16 and I was filling in for someone.

What was the set? What songs were you doing? I was singing like, I want to know if you ever seen the rain coming down Sunday, rolling down the road, trying to loosen my load? I've got seven women on my mind. You know, all that type of stuff. And so I was filling in for this other guy that couldn't make it,

who was like a substitute teacher at my high school and plays piano and stuff. And he does like all the hits on piano. And they paid me the same as they pay him because it was in the budget. What was that in 1986? $175. And I worked. You're stoked? I did gigs for years.

I mean, I did several of those gigs, you know, and then they ended up moving it to the outside and then they ended up getting rid of it. But I worked for years and years, never making $175 at a gig. I feel like that's a lot of money in 86, right? It's ridiculous. I mean, That's crazy.

Let's put it into perspective. All right, tell me. Minimum wage was $335 at that time. And you're just playing cover tunes for $175? No, no. Yeah, yeah. And I was just, well, I mean,

for example, you go to work at a temporary construction agency and you have a hard hat and long pants and steel-toed boots and you show up at this cinder block school that's being made. You take a piece of cinder block, smash the cinder block. You take a piece of smashed cinder block and you scrape mortars out of the cracks of the walls from as low as you could reach to as high as you could reach for $3.50 an hour.

And sitting on a stool playing, I want to know, have you ever seen the rain? I make a lot more money doing that in a couple hours and it's a lot more fun. And that's what started to drive me. How can I not scrape mortar out of cinder block walls if I was making $175

an hour playing those I might drop the piece the fuck out over here it was it was it was two hours

it was a two hour gig so when did you oh my god so from there you grew so you grew your talent you got confident with doing it

and then when did you start writing tunes um um on my I don't know So you grew your talent. You got confident with doing it. And then when did you start writing tunes? I was making up tunes as a kid on the piano. But you weren't playing it on that gig? What, the piano? No, you weren't playing your originals on that gig? No, no, no.

These were all covers. You wanted to play things that were unobtrusive. People could talk over and someone could possibly sing along to. Okay, okay. These were all covers. These were, you know, you wanted to play things that were unobtrusive. People could talk over and someone could possibly sing along to. Okay. You know, you don't want to like stand out. Now, later on as that went on and on where people stopped, you know, years would go by. Finally went to college in Virginia Beach.

What college? Virginia Wesleyan College on the border of Virginia Beach and Norfolk. Got into some bands down there. Were you studying music? I was majoring in theater. Nice. Musical theater? Theater, theater, yeah.

I definitely did a lot of musical theater. What was your ultimate musical theater, like what was your ultimate play that you've done? Well, You're like,

fuck yeah, I fucking killed that. I did a lot of plays with the college and then there was the Fredericksburg Theater Company where I was one of the

minions in the Joseph the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. But I guess to answer your question, it would be high school, senior class play. I think it's one of those situations where they look to see what you have available

and they choose to play accordingly. And I was the lead in P.T. Barnum. Really? Which is, yeah, I got to juggle and kiss a hot girl and sing a lot of songs. And it was great. What did she look like? She was really great.

Elena Holland. I don't know what her last name is now, but I got to kiss her in that play. And then in college, I actually got to do plays where I got to smoke cigarettes and cigars in the play. And then in college, I actually got to do plays where I got to smoke cigarettes and cigars in the play. It was a play by Vaclav Havel. You know who that is?

No, I don't. It's some, I don't really know, either European kind of politician that got put in jail for a long time and like wrote a bunch of plays in jail. Really obscure, super boring shit. So you weren't doing,

you're doing straight dramatic theater or were you doing it all? There was both. I mean, when you're majoring in theater, there's Whiteface, Cottonwig, Elizabethan, the petulant, and then there's the crazy avant-garde stuff where you're smoking cigarettes and then there's the music theater.garde stuff where you're smoking cigarettes.

And then there's this music theater. Oh, Oklahoma, where the wind come. Or Carousel and South Pacific, all those classics, Grease. So do you think that transformed your songwriting into what it is now? No, no. All that theatrical stuff, man. No, no, no. One thing I learned was that I did,

the main thing I learned majoring in theater was that I did not want to be in that program. Yeah, I bet. But what about being a front man, having to be a one-on-one, you're the only one on stage. I think the memorization that was involved in that vibe and the acting,

being on stage, and it all was positive. Even if you're in a play, just being on stage and being comfortable on stage, I think that's what I took from that experience

and put it into my own world. Yeah, totally. Kind of learning how to play to an audience and learning how to improvise. I mean, there were some times where I would come out and I would, I'd miss my cue

and then I'd start on like three pages later and we'd have to improvise and figure out how to get out of this. To get back into the scene, yeah. And because that was my fault and that's like a lot of stress, you know. That's a lot of stress

on your supporting cast. Yeah, and so you got to pick and choose how you want to stress yourself out. How pissed off would the directors get when you did that?

I got to see, I got to see, I could totally, totally get graded on these plays, you know, I got to totally see, yeah,

and I wouldn't cut my hair and put my hair up all up. You're born for fucking rock and roll, dude. I wouldn't cut my hair and put my hair up. You're born for fucking rock and roll, dude. I know, I know. It's crazy. It's crazy. So now you've done it.

So 86. Is that 30 years now? 31 years? Let's not do the math. Sorry, it's a 22-year-old man. That was only five years ago. It just blew by. Now you're doing like you have so many projects i was talking to lou your sound man and like you're he's like your wingman man

it's just you two traveling together and yeah how many how many shows at your peak how many shows were you doing a year uh the peak it was uh i want to say 220. 220. I think that was at the peak. How many years were you doing that? That was one. That was one year I did that. And then leading up to that,

that was kind of like the peak of the pyramid. And then it went down after that. Now I'm about 110. You like it better? Do you want to play more? No, I feel like it would help

in the long run to play less, but there is a adult situation of a financial nut we all have to hit you know yeah and so uh the older you get on the the more sunday slots on festivals you get which i'm fucking yeah uh grateful for yeah but that usually means you know being gone four days instead of three yeah that's hard yeah man it's hard it's not hard Yeah, that's hard. Man, that's hard. It's not hard.

It's not hard. It's fucking great. It's great, man. But you've been doing it for 30 years. And there's a point in your life where you have your passion. And you have your baby, which is your music and stuff. But you also have a family. Or if you have a family, do you have a family?

I do, yeah. Wife, 20 years in February. Yeah. And kids, boy, nine, girl, 13. So was it hard to compromise between that? Like doing the shows and missing your family? Does that pull at you at all? Well, yes and no.

I think that being gone three and a half days and being home three and a half days, I think helps the vice versa. Not being home all the time and coming home, and going away and missing it for a couple of days and then going home, it makes me, I think, a better dad. And then also not being there, I think also makes me a better dad.

And when I am there on like five, maybe six weekends off a year, the kids look at me like, what are you doing here? Wait, no. They have like a routine that they're used to doing and sometimes I mess with that. But it's all good.

It's all good. Yeah. What are their passions? Well, the daughter's 13 and she's uh really into theater she's done a whole lot of of uh theater productions uh not only with the schools but with uh outside the school and different theater productions like ones you have to audition for and kids you know 100 kids don't get in type of thing but yet still it's a production of 80 kids you know and which is crazy

but she sings really really beautiful she was I did a kids record a while back called Kids Kids yeah

and at the time you know I started on some kids music before she was even born just as a concept you know are you good on time? yeah dude I got all the time, I started on some kids' music before she was even born, just as a concept. Are you good on time? Yeah, dude. I got all the time.

I'm with you, man. But long story short, I had a bunch of demos. And when my daughter was born, I would play these demos in the car when she was a little kid. And by the time she was four, I think, I was doing this record. And I just brought her in and played the songs on the studio speakers. I'm 58, like this one, in front of her. And she just stood up and sat on her knees on the couch. And she was just singing along. And we used like 60%, 70 of of what she was singing and uh and then later on

she would be you know she want to make sure you know she was you know girls enter in this in this thing where they who know who begins to understand but she would like mouth the words to make sure that she knew perfectly you knew that she knew the words, but she wouldn't let you sing. It's been a long time that she's just now starting. She's 13 now. She's just now starting to sing around me again. She's opening up.

And with all the theater she's doing, she and I can really harmonize together. And it's really, really great. So you think about like Tweety does with his kid. You do put out a little, a record with you two. Like, you know, Jeff Tweety did that with his son. Right, right. That'd be awesome, man.

Yeah, well, you know, it's- Once he gets comfortable. It's up to her. You know, I don't want to force anything. My son has like perfect pitch. He's super ADHD. He was like diagnosed when he was five, but they were like, you know, he's five.

Yeah. Like what can you do? He's five. Yeah, exactly. But now he's nine. And now it's like, yeah, okay. Now he's nine and yeah, it's real. And so he's so cute.

And that's so why he's still alive. I love that kid. So cute. We'd totally kill him if he wasn't so cute. But he is tricky. He's a tricky one. I think it is. You got genes, man. What's your wife

do? Does she sing too? My wife, she's... We have a booking agent and we have a manager. They kind of go through her. There's the booking agent and there's the manager. We all kind of work for her. There's the booking agent and there's the manager, but we all kind of work for her.

You work for her. Well, right now, she's like eight months in the future right now trying to figure out. She's not even figuring out and thinking about where I am next weekend. She's freaking on like eight months from now, and we're putting together these things and lining up flights and routing and she's way ahead of everybody. How's that working with your wife? So you have two lives.

You have life with work with your wife? It helps in the sense where there's no real guilt in the sense of leaving because she's the one sending me out. She's the one that's kind of like, she's like, okay, you're going here. I'm like, okay. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. All good.

All good. All good. It totally works out. That's great. We're a total team and she has the best judgment. Usually, you know, she's not perfect. Nobody is. and I usually you know she's not perfect nobody is but she is the type to make you really question everything and to really step back and think about it and

don't pull the trigger until you really think about everything and she's fucking always right the best woman are man the reason why I ask is I mean I've been doing this for 10 years now 10 years years straight, 250 shows a year. Just like I've never had a girlfriend. 250 a year? 250 a year for 10 years straight. That's my... That is amazing.

That's a lot of shows. Yeah, man. Living in a van. I just never dedicated myself to even look for a girl longer than two days, to be honest. It's tricky. So it's like I have these weekend flings with people, but I'm just trying to see what works and like how, what type of person you need to look, not need to look for,

but like what type of person that compliments what your dream is, you know, and like what you're going to do. And she's going to support that, but you're going to have to meet in the middle to also, you know, support her or whatever she wants to do and she's going to support that, but you're going to have to meet in the middle to also, you know, support her or whatever she wants to do. So it's like, it's cool to see strong, I hear that all the time. Even with Dave School's girl and

Vince Herman's girl, like, strong women. Take care of you. It is halftime at the Ennefresco interview hour. And now your Ric Flair moment of the week. Come on, bring it up there. You know what? We're going to come with a ring right now.

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Yeah? Maybe you could swoon Sheila E and she can be in your band and then she could share a room. It's one less room you got to pay for. That's true. It's just an idea. But what if we get sick of each other on the road? What do you do? How do you compensate the band and

you know, how do you get in fights with like someone you're working with all the time? Well, maybe Sheila E is not the answer. Yeah. You know, it has to be I'm getting love advice from Keller Williams on love of this. Thank you. Love advice. is not the answer. Yeah. You know, it has to be... I'm getting love advice

from Keller Williams. I'm in love with this. Thank you. Love advice. Yeah. It's love advice, you know? And this is,

for the record, my opinion. I am no way, no way, shape, or form trained or studied

in this matter. I am not a licensed therapist. Today you are, buddy. I do listen to a lot of Dr. Laura, though. Dr. Laura is bad. I like her. My mom used to make me listen to her. Sorry.

I didn't mean to. 22. 22. Oh, no. No. I'm trying to be the man Dr. Laura wants me to be. Yeah. The knight in shining armor.

And what is that? What is that to you? You have to be. Yeah. The knight in shining armor. And what is that? What is that to you? You have to dial into that. I don't want to get into Dr. Laura right now. But we're talking about your love life. Yeah, tell me about it. Love advice. If you're doing 250 shows a year,

obviously someone, if you're going to have love, it needs to be in your band that you play. Now, usually, you don't fuck anybody in the band. That's just awful. You can't shit where you sleep, I feel. You're going to have to make an exception.

Yeah, I think so. I think I need to bring whoever she is along with the ride. I've been learning that. There it is. It's someone that has to be compatible. And I think she's out there, or he's out there. I don't know what you're into. I don't learning that. There it is. There it is. It's someone that has to be, you know, compatible. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And I think,

I think she's out there or he's out there. I don't know what you're into. I don't know yet. I've questioned my sexuality once or twice. Sure. And then I was in Bangkok

and I thought, I thought I saw, you know, like I was, you know, you go and they're just everywhere. These like women who just are super talkative

and like if you're vulnerable, you'll talk back. Yeah. You don't realize that, you know, they're ladyboys and that're just everywhere. These like women who just are super talkative. And like, if you're vulnerable, you'll talk back. You don't realize that, you know, they're the lady boys. And that freaked me out. But I know I realized like, okay,

maybe I'm not gay, but it's okay. It happens. It does, you know, and love is love. I, you know,

I personally, uh, am a female loving man. How long did you meet your wife? How many years? We started hanging out in 96, got married in 98. But we knew each other as kids too, same town. But we got together in Colorado.

Really? Yeah. That's great. So you felt comfortable? Like, I don't, you know, you do all these shows, too. I mean, you've been in the scene. Women flirt and stuff. And it's, you know, it's like when you're single, it's like you take advantage of it or don't.

advantage of it or not or don't and you know but uh when you're a married man and they still flirt it's i bet it's really you know it's really hard to uh to you know just say no well it was in in 96 that uh or 97 i think that uh she and i took off and were three years in a 74 che Blazer. There was the last two years. There was a, well, yeah. I'm sorry. Spring of 97. And we're opening for String Cheese Incident from- 97. Spring of 97. Were they big then?

They were big in the sense of like West Coast, Colorado clubs, maybe five or they're from uh um uh colorado okay i mean they're from all over but they they the band itself is from colorado and it seemed like uh in 97 no okay so the first time i saw him was 95 But I went out and I opened for them in 97 And they were playing clubs with stages and PAs Whereas at that time I was playing restaurants And there was a dude in the corner no one was paying attention to For a buck 75 though.

Well, for then in 86, this was like later on, you know, this was like 50 bucks a night. Oh, okay. So then. Plus, plus like a free ski pass

for the year. Oh, I love those. 50 bucks a night, free ski pass. And this was like in Steamboat Springs. That's where I was living. Oh, I love Steamboat.

From 95 to 97. Is that where the goat's at? The goat. Whiskey Tavern? The goat is at Key living. From 95 to 97. Is that where the goat's at? The goat? Whiskey Tavern? The goat is at Keystone. I do shows in Keystone every year. Oh, Steamboat. Schmegadies.

You ever play there? I haven't. There's a new chief theater. You play the theater. I play the fucking bars and shit. So keep going. But String Cheese, yeah. They definitely took me out of the… Oh, my wife.

My wife… My girlfriend at the time, she was selling merchandise. And 97, we're in the Chevy Blazer. Later on, we got this 4x6 trailer. Opened it up. The Chevy Blazer had a slide-in camper that you would push up. So it's like a pop top. And you have a little bed over the cab.

It was a Chevy Blazer, 74. It just got hot and moldy. 98, we upgraded to a 24-foot motorhome. That was our first one. She traveled with you? She was selling merchandise. Oh, that's... that was our first one she traveled with you she was selling merchandise and so 99 we upgraded to another one

we were like didn't really have an address every winter from 97 to 2000 we would move into this oceanfront hotel kind of a crack hotel right on the boardwalk of Virginia Beach

and from from November to the end of February it was $500 a month it was cable beach? yeah

right on the ocean front what year was this? 97? 97 to 2000 it was called the Stargate Hotel it's now I think the Traveler's Inn or something.

But $500 a month. We had two dogs. Dogs are loud. We're on the fourth floor. Balcony, looking out the beach. We got maid service twice a week. Cable, take our trash down. It was all there.

And on the third year, I was walking down the stairs because the elevator started to get... The whole place was ghetto. I was walking down and this guy in a SWAT suit with a gun-drawn

helmet on with his visor down. And I stopped and he said, turned around and said, go back upstairs right now. What? And so, we moved out of there.

That was just like, you know, four months, you know, at a time, you know, $500 a month. It's oceanfront.

It's great. Dogs. You get what you're borrowing for, you know. So, by 2000, we had kind of started making roots back in our hometown of Fredericksburg, Virginia.

Man. I married into this amazing family that has a lot of land in that area. And the grandfather was like a star farmer at one time. What did he farm? at one time. What did he farm? He had cattle and did fields, rotated fields of corn and

soybeans and grain. That's beautiful land. Yeah. He was always land rich and money poor. All the money he would make, he would have a couple miles on either side of the road. When he

died, he split it up to his grandkids and uh and for a while we lived in uh uh this the tenant housing uh for about four years and then while we were building a house the whole time where my wife was selling merchandise and the only one only people that were coming up to her were drunk guys hitting on her. Did they buy something at least? No. Oh, fuck.

So the whole time she was designing this house. And so happy to say we built that house. So you built it yourselves? Yeah. Like you designed it? Designed it, built it. Her father is into commercial building and so we it's all concrete and steel and you know it's a big house and and if we sold

it you know with life would be totally different but you love it you're happy it's my mission to you know to keep that keep it. You have a studio in there? I have a guitar room. And it's set up and it's in the basement. And there are a lot of fans in there and stuff. But I don't have a studio per se. But I have a studio that's close by that I've done about 10, 15 records at since 2002. Great.

I'll do one. We'll get, let me get one more question in. Yeah, yeah. Then we'll, you know, you've been doing this a long time. Do you feel your songwriting and your, who you want to give to the world is as authentic as you want it to be? Yes, yes. Songwriting has been really tricky

in the past five years or so, I think. It was always a thing about being on the road for three weeks, four weeks like constant you know and then having two weeks off and that first week is kind of like the decompressing and then the second week like the boredom kicks in because you're so like used to being on the road and that's when that creativity would flow And that's when all my best songs were written. I was on that second week of that second week off. And then I'd go back on the road for a month and then play all these songs brand new, but then not ready.

And then my kids came along and then I got into this routine. And it's just really difficult to write songs that stick around that I want to play. And the ones that I do write, that I do play, I think there are few and far between, but those are the ones that are really sticking and that are really connecting. And I just need to pick and choose. And my career is a relentless pursuit of entertaining myself. So there's always...

Yeah, I see that with all... You have like 25 different projects. No, only six. Only six. But yeah, it's great. It's like, what's that balance of playing songs that the fans want and playing songs...

There's a couple songs you've been playing for maybe what? Five, 10, 15 years? Because they love it. So what's like... How's that balance in your set that makes it at least a 50-50 with what you want to do

and what you want to give them? To answer that question, I would say this. I am a music lover. It's 11 p.m. if people want to know what's going on right now. You go on 12, 15, right?

Yeah, I got another 15, so we're good. Okay. I'm a music lover first, musician second, songwriter third. I'm always trying to put myself in the place of the audience member. I go to shows that I get a babysitter for, and they don't play any songs that I know. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. And I respect that in a sense. Yeah. That that's very artistic, and that you want to play the new shit. But I'm pissed off in the sense that I want to hear these three or four songs that I know and they didn't touch any of them. And so with that in mind, I put that in perspective of people coming to see me

and that I can't necessarily just not play stuff that people want to hear you know granted any song that i've written that anyone wants to hear this it's a luxury it's a very much a luxury and even though i think about other things when i play some of these songs you know yeah i totally see that i know that people are digging it you know people are people are people are digging it and even though I'm not digging it that might not necessarily and then you just you know maybe you do a little different to make it

kind of interesting to make you maybe not think about things while you play to make you not forget the very last verse of something that everyone's singing along to that's kind of awful when that happens. And that happens a lot. That's with me. I might

get a little too fucked up sometimes. And then I have to play the songs people know at the end of the set because I forgot to play them while I'm sober. And then you're like, I've messed up a lot lyrically and stuff. There's always Adderall

dude there's always Adderall and on that note I need to go to my show Keller Williams man that was fucking awesome man thank you so much my pleasure

you got a new record coming out what do you got yeah there's an instrumental record my first instrumental record is called Sands as in without without lyrics

you're a motherfucking poet and that's coming out hopefully late spring do you put out these records by yourself do you have a label what do you

no well there's Psy Fidelity Records SCI String Cheese Incident oh yeah great great bunch of guys

over there running that label. And I think they own a couple of my titles. But other than that, sometimes they lease. They lease a title for a couple years and then I get all the rights back. All right, one last question. So as like an up-and-coming musician who's maybe not in our position right now,

not to sound egotistical at all, but like people who are striving, they shouldn't be striving for a record deal. They should be striving to write great songs. There's a way to self-finance these records now. There's a way to get your music out there. So what advice would you give an inspiring musician who has been playing, who's finally started touring and now they're out into the next step,

have a manager and stuff, and they want to keep longevity with their career? I feel like there's no need to give 60% of your career now to a record label when no one's really buying records anymore. Yeah. Create your own scene. Set the bar low. Keep the expenses low. Try and make sure you're not in it for the money.

Do it for the love. And if the bar is set low, then it's not really an issue. My deal was I'm going to go ahead and kick the bucket seat back in these lit truck stops where there's a shower. Mm-hmm. You know,

the shower number six. Six. Six. It's now ready. You've showered in one of those? I can't do it. I can't walk in. I got this weird thing about like-

Three, four times a week. Really? Yeah. Flying J, when you're in a motorhome, Flying J, you know Flying J? Yeah, yeah.

So Flying J has the motorhome pit stop to where every three days, there was some guys that we kind of like a pit crew. We all kind of, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop. One guy goes out and puts everything and then puts on the tube, puts a tube in the thing, pulls the thing, hop, hop, hop. And then you take the hose and then you run the hose through the window, puts a tube in the thing, pulls the thing. And then you take the hose, and then you run the hose through the window,

hose down the toilet. Get it on. And then you have to take another hose and kind of fill up the water. What the fuck, dude? That's at Flying J, man. Flying J. Are you serious?

Oh, yeah. And then if you buy the shower, now they have someone different. But the lady, one time I got shower number 666 and she was like, shower number 666 is now ready. Isn't that a Midwestern accent?

Yeah. But it was kind of like a Midwestern Siri. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, you heard it from the source. Shower and the Flying Jays are safe. I've never done it, but I trust Keller's word. And Keller, love you, buddy.

Love you, too. Always a fan of you. Thank you. Can't wait to see you again. All right, guys. Enjoy. Peace the fuck out. I got to play a song.

All right, bye. Now, a message from the UN. Baby you've been at work all day. I've been home from tour. Just waiting and marinating. I got the room all set. I got the mood just right. My pants are getting tighter It's about to pop on through my zipper

I want to come on through you Like a freight train in a rainstorm, baby Let's do that butt stuff You're listening to The Andy Frasco World Saving Podcast Pretty cool, huh? This again, I said this in episode 3 and I'll say it in episode 4

this is the music geek episode I'm getting better right I'm getting better at getting getting into people's skins right this is great this was and to see how the sausage is made

this was your first interview wasn't it this was this was the first one the first one and I remember texting you and being like this is the best one

I really like this and it was and it was so much to you you guys You guys have a relationship. And so you guys were able to have a conversation, a lot like what you and I have in that sense. It's more of a conversation, but I loved it. And we hope you guys enjoyed it too. I told Andy before and after I listened to this, that it's one of my favorite interviews, the ones he's done so far. So it's only going to get up from here, all the way up. Speaking of, so you guys did this and Carl Denson, he says in this interview,

you know, I'm doing about 110 now. And you talk about- Yeah, Keller's doing it too. Yeah, this is a recurring thing for you is I do 250 for 10 years. 250 shows a year for 10 years, yeah. And you've asked, is it time to hang it up? Is it time to transition this?

Where are you on this right now? You did this interview a little bit ago. We're recording this now. Where are you on this? Oh, I'm rejuvenated. I really feel like I'm probably not going to do 250 shows a year anymore. That's, that's not the plan. It's time to par down. Yeah. But I'm still going to do 150. Easy,

easy, at least, you know, and this is what keeps me happy is what keeps me alive is being on the, being with the crowds and feeling their energy and, and them feeling mine and trying to build an experience together. You know, I wouldn't change that for the world. How do you, you guys just got done. You were in NOLA recording. You were in.

Yeah, we're in new Orleans and you recorded elsewhere. Well, New York, New York. And we recorded in a, at Tom waits, his studio in the chicken shack with Dave schools.

That's right. Yeah. From widespread panic, widespread panic. And so tell me about this. So, and this is in the middle, like you guys had a little bit, you had some spots of breaks, you've recorded in three different places and you had, you had some breaks and you guys jumped into the studio. Um, this is just something I, that I just thought of

what was that like? Cause you guys kind of talked about that with Keller, like talking about the life on the road and how do you get to a point where you're creative and you're producing still what the balance is how is that for you and and the guys it was cool because we were getting produced by guys who've been in the scene for 20 years you know ben ellman from galactic dave schools from widespread panic you know keller williams been in the scene he's doing 20 songs so or he's doing he's doing a one song on the 20. So it's, that's not what happened. It sounds like a bad drug day. Yeah.

We did 20 songs in two hours. It was amazing. Best cocaine ever. Oh man. It's crazy though. We tried to get, we tried to go and try to move it and try to get forward with it and um seeing their stories and how they're prevailed and how they kept fighting even through the drug problems and even through the the shitty band situations you know that we still got there and they still got

there and they said you know don't don't put too much pressure on yourself the minute you put too much pressure on yourself the minute you're going to get defeated and you're going to give up. So they really opened up that creative space. Yeah, it really helped me be a songwriter. Yeah, and you're stoked about this. I'm super stoked. I can't wait.

This album comes out in April or May. Yeah, we're coming up. And I mean, we're coming up like we're weeks away. Yeah. This episode, episode four, we're weeks away. Yeah, we are. I know we're stoked about it. I've heard a couple of cuts and everything like that.

But Keller Williams, amazing interview, Andy. Yeah, thanks, bud. Yeah, that was great. Loved every bit of it. Here we are, the end of the road again. Hope you like hearing our voices because we like hearing you listen to them. We like hearing ourselves talk.

I love truth. Yeah. I put my headphones up all the way so I could just hear my voice. All the love truth. Yeah. I put my headphones up all the way so I could just hear my voice all the way up. Yeah. I definitely, I talked to myself like Bill Burr says, like, you know, you do it. You walk around the house talking to yourself. Like you're given a Barbara Walters interview. Seriously. It's true. I was watching drunk history this week. You like it? I love it. And, barfing on Drunk History is like crying on

Barbara Walters oh man so hopefully we can get something like that for our guests oh yeah we will we'll get a cryer one of these days I'm going to get someone to cry the Andy Frasco world saving podcast with the Yeti

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