Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 44: Lyle Divinsky (The Motet)

Episode Date: April 30, 2019

This week's episode kicks off with our friend, podcast contributor & hype-man extraordinaire: Dolav, joining Andy as co-host. They reminisce about back in the day and tell a few scandalous stories. On the interview hour, Andy sits down with Lyle Divinsky. Lyle is an award winning songwriter who recently joined Funk wizards, The Motet. They talk about his progression, the places he's lived, and the shoulders he's stood on (proverbial, not literal). Episode 44 available everywhere now. Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. Keep up with our pal, Lyle at www.lyledivinsky.com Check out Andy's new album, "Change Of Pace" on iTunes and Spotify Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker Lyle Divinsky Ahri Findling Alex Greer

Andy, it's your grandfather. Just checking in. I wanted to just call on this Tuesday and say that I love you and I'm proud of you. You've come a long way and you should be proud of that. You know, five years ago, you were writing songs about pussies and fingering and drugs, and now you're writing songs that makes me and your grandmother cry. I just want to tell you I love you

and you should keep up the good work. Quit masturbating into tube shots and maybe find yourself a nice lady to fall in love with so that your grandmother and I can have some great grandchildren. Wouldn't that be nice? Okay, love you so much. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. I'll be there And I'll be right up inside you

With a non-selfish love that respects you We'll just call my name I'll be there And oh I'll be there, no, I'll be there to comfort you. I'll be my world of dreams if I set off strong to let it find you. I'll be there with a love that's strong. I'll be your strength, I'll keep holding on If you should ever find someone new I know it better be good to you

Well, cause if he doesn't, I'll be there And don't you know, baby, yeah, yeah I'll be there And I'll be there, yeah, yeah Well, just call my name I'll be there Come on now. And oh

I'll be there baby And I'll be there Yeah We'll just call my name, Andy, and I'll be there. Well, here we are. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I am your fearless leader, Mr. Andy Frasco. What's up, everybody? We got a very special co-host tonight. He's actually been my co-host, best friend since fucking middle school.

You might know him on the podcast, Sports with Dolav. We got my bestie in the building. What's up, Dolav? What's up? Dolav, we got my bestie in the building. What's up, Dolav? What's up? Dolav, you're on the show. You get to be my co-host. But you've always been my fucking co-host.

Ride or die, man. My ride or die. Dolav's been my hype man for, oh, probably since seventh grade. Yeah. Everything I've done. We met in sixth grade and, you know, you just got to support the fucking homie, man. Dola's the man. All the love, dude. Those were the fucking days, man.

It's a trip. Have I always been this crazy? Dude, literally, you're the fucking, you're the nut. You're the nut of the fucking group. You've always had so much energy just always bringing it, whether it was getting down on the dance floor or singing, fucking starting a band, time well spent. Dude, I'll never forget those t-shirts, man. Oh, when I was trying to hustle t-shirts.

We didn't have any songs, but I wanted to sell some t-shirts. Just trying to make some money. So you're like, I'm making a band because I got an idea for a t-shirt. Time well spent. You put a clock. Yeah. All black shirt. White clock with the red around it.

Time well spent. Learn how to play. I think it was Brown Eyed Girl. Brown Eyed Girl. But it was the version by MXPX. No, no. Chick Magnet. Chick.

Chick. You did Chick Magnet. We did Chick Magnet. Yeah. MXPX, man. Such a fucking tool. Oh, was I, was was i was i like ignorant and was like a tool no man you were all right was that you know tell me you were genuine you

were a good dude everyone fucking loved you you were taller than all of us it was literally like you haven't changed you've been like six feet since sixth grade and don't know so short you were so short as me and me and Dolav, dude. We would just roam around. We used to go to your house. I remember you used to... I don't think this was middle school. This was high school when we used to

keep everything in your safe. Dude, my safe. We had like a pipe in there. Dude, I'll never forget this actually. The first time I smoked was through the pipe that Andy's sister got him. It said Amsterdam. like a pipe in there dude i'll never forget this actually the first time i smoked was through the pipe that andy's sister got him it said amsterdam it had a weed leaf on it but it looked like a crack pipe it was a fucking little pipe it had the crack and we we kept it in my room in my little

safe and then i had a couple other random things in there i used to i had a bow and arrow i would shoot everyone like in the back to like initiate them coming to my house remember when we used to like set up like uh down the my stairs at my house we used to put like the pit the the mattresses down the stairs wrestle moves down the fucking oh my god. And just fucking running around your fucking house. Both of our houses. We were at the party. Do you remember when we did Doug Limona's 18th birthday at my house and I brought the strippers?

Oh, my God. Dude, holy shit. Do you remember that? I do, man. Oh, my God. The strippers were so weird. So I convinced my mom That we were just having Like a striptease

Thing at my house And I had like All like We had like It was a huge party 15, 20 dudes And Then it turned into

Yeah And then all of a sudden We were What 18 So senior year And Doug So

We put My parents are upstairs And all of a sudden This pimp walks into this, in the suburbs. You know, we're like fucking like white America suburbs. This pimp walks. West Hills.

Where's Andy? Or like, who set it up? Todd set it up. Yeah, it was Todd. Where's Todd? I was like, he's new. He's eight dollars. All right, I'm going to need 400 bucks right now.

Up front. Pay that shit. And then it's like like I forget how much. She brought a fucking dildo and like she started putting candles into her vagina and shit. Dude, oh my god. And my dad keep walking down to see what was going on but my dad was a homie. He didn't tell

my mom because my mom would have found out. The party would have been fucking over. So my dad had my fucking back. Shout out to Paz Bruno. Stay upstairs. Stay upstairs. But then who, someone ratted, Todd ratted it out. He's like,

you couldn't believe what they're doing. Oh no. Just so hyped. He's like, I gotta tell his mom. Yeah, because we were at such a close relationship

with my mom. And then she found out that there's a woman putting candles in her vagina in her living room. It was wild, man. She got down, gave us all lap dances and shit. She room. It was wild, man. She got down, gave us all lap dances and shit.

She did. It was awesome. Doug enjoyed himself for sure, man. I hope he had a good birthday. Yeah. He came out to the show the other night. But yeah, this show is about back in the days. We have Lyle Davinsky from the Motet.

My homie, dude. We talked about him growing up in Portland and stuff. But that's why I wanted to bring Dolov in here and just talk about the old times. Because, you know, I've been hustling doing this thing forever. And you've seen me been hustling since I was like 13. You and me used to fucking DJ bar mitzvahs in middle school. And like pool parties. Bar mitzvahs, any party, everyone's like, Andy,

yes, DJ, yes. That was the time, dude, we used to fucking put all those songs on the CDs and shit. The CDs, you get the ultimate mixtape, but on a CD,

man, it was a different time, man. But I, was I always distracted with my business when I was a kid? You were always hustling, man. You were always looking for that buck.

You had that clothing line with Todd. Started a clothing line with todd started a clothing what was it stratum apparel stratum substratum substratum you know you work working in the industry trying to get in there drive through records something we saw something corporate together that's who you looked up to man that's who you wanted to be man fucking something corporate house of blues way back yeah i used to take you to those shows, dude. I saw him like 19 times when I was a kid. I used to wear sandals. I think the reason why I'm barefoot is because of that guy.

Yeah? Probably. I don't know. What a trip. Fucking Cobalt Days, man. Used to book shows. You and Jordan. Jordan fucking with Cerberus and all these fools.

Hell and Death Productions. Yeah, those are crazy. Dude, Cobalt days, man. OG Valley shit. Yeah, dude. The Cobalt Cafe was this all-ages venue I used to book in high school. I used to book.

We used to do like local shows, right? This is the way I'd flirt with girls because I would just like, just pass out flyers. I'd go to every city. Yes, yes. Every school. In the LA school district,

there's like fucking 20 schools. So I just would go to every city every school because in the LA school district there's like fucking 20 schools so I just would go to every school every so like I wasn't just like playing my seat in just one this is how big of a

horn dog I was I had to fucking you know it's all about numbers and that's what it was all about though it was all about trying to get girls

I mean pimping these bands trying to put these shows together so you get the girls to show up and you know try and get laid try, trying to put these shows together so you get the girls to show up and, you know, try and get laid, try and get your dick wet. Oh, it's crazy, dude.

I can't believe my whole, most of my prerogative in high school was just to get laid. Was it everybody's? Not everyone. Come on. I mean, we're all horn dogs. Okay, we're all horn dogs. God, it's crazy.

Still are, but. We still are. We definitely still are. But we're crashing wood, and I brought Dolav. We're playing a fancy wedding in Napa, and I brought Dolav. I bring Dolav. Honestly, I bring Dolav everywhere. Dolav is my sports guru.

He fucking loves the Utah Jazz, which I don't fucking understand. I'm still, because he grew up in LA with me, guys. Valley kid. Like, crazy. I don't know, man. It just happened. When I started college, you know, I wasn't going to be another fucking Laker fan. No, you just don't want it to be like everyone else.

Yellow's my favorite color. Like, I should be a Laker fan. Yeah, what the fuck? I should be. But I just, I didn't want to be another fucking Laker fan. I wanted to pick a team I liked for their style, for the way they play. The Jazz stuck out to me and I've become diehard ever since, man. Yeah.

We're in the playoffs. Fuck off. Fuck off. Suck my nut. But I appreciate you because we had a falling out too. We didn't really talk. It was a couple years we didn't really talk. And I'm glad we finally came back.

Me too, man. True friends are important. It's been years. It's a trip. Friends and people, you lose contact and don't talk as much sometimes, but find a way back, and it's become stronger and stronger ever since. I mean, you showed up in Kansas, Manhattan, Kansas. Tell that story, though. you showed up in Kansas Manhattan, Kansas so I got accepted to grad school

and I knew Andy would play in random places like fucking Kansas and so I hadn't talked to him in a while and I was like hey Andy you ever come out to Manhattan Kansas? He's like dude that's one of our favorite places, one of our biggest fan bases. Like are you fucking serious?

Small town Manhattan and sure enough he's like we're playing there in two months I remember counting down the fucking days One of our biggest fan bases. Like, are you fucking serious? Small town Manhattan. And sure enough, he's like, we're playing there in two months. I remember counting down the fucking days. And you guys did a full weekend. Annie Mays was the first night. Cat House. Was that the weekend I got arrested?

No, it was before. That was the first time that you came out. And then you guys kept coming back more and more while I was there. We had the epic time with Tara and Adam and them. That's when you got fucking arrested. Yeah. Holding a fucking bag of weed and a pipe in Kansas just out in public. When the cops are right next door to the venue.

Just the worst move. Sometimes I just get so excited. I mean, everyone just smokes me out. I just say yes to everything. I got to stop saying yes to like drugs on stage. Yeah, yesterday. Yesterday. Just here's a bag of weed.

Here's a drug. Or here's a bag of mushrooms. No, but it was funny. It was like, you know, I just would like some mushrooms and some weed. And this guy ran up. He ran up. Gave me a bottle of Jägermeister. A bag of mushrooms. Like he was waiting for me to say it. He was waiting for that moment for Andy to ask. And he's like, here me a bottle of Jägermeister, a bag of mushrooms. He was waiting for me to say it.

He was waiting for that moment for Andy to ask. And he's like, here's a bag of mushrooms. Here's a joint. Here's fucking Jäger. That's true fandom, man. All your fans know you. They love you. Now you've seen me, seen this band grow and shit.

From the beginning years where I was trying to hustle for 20 people. Now to see we have an actual fan base. It was unreal, man. The last couple days, you played in LA, you played in San Francisco. Smaller markets for you. Obviously, they're big markets. But holy shit, man. Fucking 200 pre-sales plus.

Insane. And the place was packed out. People singing your fucking songs. Knowing the songs. Waiting for certain fucking songs. Homie Maytoast came out singing the your fucking songs knowing the songs waiting for certain fucking songs homie may toast came out singing the whole fucking time i mean it's amazing man real really fucking proud of you guys you guys just been killing it and growing as a band and as people guys getting married and you know the band we're growing up dola totally man it's been

beautiful it's really been beautiful to watch. Oh, man. I'm glad that I can sneak in as your fucking plus one forever, man. You might always be my plus one, dude. Dude, I swear. You're my fucking dude. We've been through so much together. You really have, man. I love you. It's special.

It really is. I'm glad anytime I can hop in the van, I'm going to hop in, in don't love is such a good friend he will go on tour with me just to sell merch so we can make some extra money and you know he would never ask for any money he would just sell and he would kick he'd he'd be so crazy he would get on stage if if a if a city is not buying merchandise he'll run and sabotage my stage and say, don't be the fucking cheapest city on the tour. Buy some fucking merch.

Because that's how these guys live, man. You know, the day-to-day, they need some help and it's through merchandise and it's through coming to the shows. And I mean, I'm a salesman and I've done sales in the past.

And it just like was so natural to me going on tour with you guys and just hustling, trying to sell as much fucking CDs, T-shirts, whatever you had. I'd sell it for the fucking band and, you know, just got to support the dudes. Homies, find yourself a Dolav, ladies and gentlemen. It's the best. Someone who loves you. I love you, Dolav. You've always been me. I'm always there for you, my man.

I hope you know. Even when I'm far away, I'm still thinking about you. You're my dog. You know, fuck the jazz. Fuck all your fucking bull. I love Utah. No disrespect to Utah, but seriously, though. That offends me. It offends you

that I'm not a Laker fan? Yes. I'm sorry, man. I love you. You know what? I used to really hate the Lakers, I think, because I became a jazz fan, but also, growing up, it was just like homies were watching the Laker

game, and I wanted to hang out, and people were like, oh no, I can't hang out. I'm watching the Laker game, i wanted to hang out and people were like oh no i can't hang out i'm watching the laker game so i grew this hatred towards the lakers like as a kid and you know over the years we understand from all your fucking sports with dola how much you fucking hate the lakers but hey man over the last few years i'll say you know when you guys have been struggling i uh fell for us a little bit you know i i live in la so i listen to la radio and you know i feel bad for laker fans because they've been struggling now for a few years and as just a sports fan you know it sucks because when they're losing and you

know it makes you sad and when you're sad makes me sad sometimes you know i like to rub it in. But deep down, I love you. I love you too, buddy. I care. I do. I do too. Yeah, I love you. You're a good guy. Should we go get fucked up at the wedding? Yeah, let's go fucking tear this wedding up.

All right, Dolav, I love you, buddy. Let's go get fucked up. Let's do it. And yeah. Much love to all the homies. Much respect. Yeah, Dolav. You're going to talk some shit on this episode, too, about the Lakers?

Of course. They didn't make the playoffs. Oh, yeah. You guys are in the playoffs. So, it's going to be fun. I'm predicting you guys are going to lose in the first round. Yeah, we're going to beat Portland. We're going to beat Portland.

Third year in a row, we're going in the second round. It's happening. Big things. I hope this episode airs after the Portland series, and then I am going to make a sports with Dolov. Oh, shit. Yeah. All right, guys.

Enjoy Lyle. He's the man, the motet. It's going to be tight. It's a great episode. Let's do it. Love you. All right. Thanks, Dolav, for being on the show.

Next up, we have Lyle Davinsky on the interview hour from Colorado band The Motet. He's new to the band, but Lyle is such an amazing songwriter. He's from Portland, Maine. The Motet picked him up a few years ago. I thought that was an awesome free agency move. He kills it on the vocals. He's such a spiritual guy.

We talk a lot about family. Actually, Chris, why don't you play some motet while I'm pimping out Lyle a little bit. Lyle's the man. I met him at Jam Cruise. We played basketball together. I didn't know it was Lyle. This guy was singing like a fucking angel.

But y'all could shoot the basket and it was dope. He's a basketball lover. We are now friends. He's convinced me to move to Denver. I think I might do it. But, um, ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy Lyle Davinsky from the Motet. It's a great interview, and I'll catch you on the tail end. Anybody else but you Cause we're the kings and queens Hey, number one, we got a present to rule I said back it up

Take it a time to love I said back it up Take it a time to love Here we fucking are. Lyle. What's up, baby? My basketball guru. Come on, man.

We have a friend. You know Jack Brown? Oh, guru. Come on, man. We have a friend. You know Jack Brown? Oh, yeah. Sophistophon. See, you and him have the same mannerisms, and you love basketball. You're an old basketball head, right? Oh, hell yeah. Like 90s, 80s?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like what? Yeah, like late 80s through now. So growing up in Portland, you grew up in Portland, Maine. Yeah, so were you always into basketball? Oh, yeah, man. I thought that I was one of those delusional fuckers that thought I was going to the NBA. Really?

Oh, yeah, without a doubt. All right, let's talk about it. What? Okay. Well, so one, I lived in Maine. So there was great basketball, but there was a certain level that it got to. And I also, I'm a fuzzy man. I became fuzzy early.

I grew. I hit puberty very, very young. I started shaving in sixth grade, I'm a fuzzy man. I became fuzzy early. I grew. I hit puberty very, very young. I started shaving in sixth grade, like, all that kind of shit. But, like, I've been this. Shaving, like, beard? Yeah, like, shaving my face. So you grew. So I was the same.

Like, I grew up tall quick. Yeah, exactly. So I was as tall as I am now by seventh grade. But, like, I didn't lose my coordination. So I was still running point could shoot like I was a shooter so running point I was a shooter and then like point guard yeah exactly well I mean yeah but like you know barely six foot but like in seventh grade yeah exactly and then like you know swung up to varsity freshman year and like and you know we we had a great team one states

all that kind of shit but like I didn't start playing music until I was 17. So I was pretty delusional and was completely convinced that I was going to the NBA. What was the moment when you were 17, like couldn't make the team anymore, and hit a plateau in my back? No, no, no. I played the whole time. The coach actually got mad that I was turning into a hippie and not taking it seriously enough.

So I grew up with my dad's a singer, and so I was always around music. Probably around 15 or 16, I just started singing by myself and whatnot, and singing at home whenever I was home alone. Did your dad know you have a good voice? No, I never sang in front of him. What about to you?

Did you think you had a good voice? I don't know. Did you sing to anybody? I didn't really think about it because my dad was so good. I was like, that's his thing. My dad is my favorite singer. He's the baddest dude. But that was kind of his thing.

And I was like, all right, cool. Basketball's my thing. Music's his thing. And that's cool. And I was messing around with my with my coach uh because he was like he's a great dude i love him a lot but he like you know staunch like strict italian man and i'm just like this you know growing my hair out fucking freewheeling dude um yeah just like started smoking weed and all that kind of shit um so i was messing messing around with him

i'm just like yo so you're gonna let me sing the national anthem expecting him to be like shut the fuck up and go run and he's like yeah i'll go line it up and it was just like so oh shit like i had to do it because the competition that like you know we kind of had with each other yeah so i was like all right i gotta do this and then i did it that was like my first time singing in front of anybody um were you in your basketball outfit yeah Yeah, I was starting that night So I went over and just like Go sing the National Anthem Get on the court and do the thing But yes, but it was great

Got great reactions from it And then right around the same time I kind of became friends again with Like my best friend from 6th grade Dan Boyden, who's the drummer for the Dirty Birds For Sister Sparrow. And then our buddy. Oh, dude.

Yeah. So I grew up with him from like first grade on. He was in second grade. I was in first grade. And so him and our buddy Pete Jennifer, we started this band called Model Airplane, which is the band from back home. But they're like, yo, come over and like jam with us.

High school. Yeah. Senior year. Yeah, like junior year. Their senior year, my junior year. And they're like, yo, come over and jam with us i'm like i'm playing instrument like we'll just sing like okay and that's how it started this fucking history oh my god so okay so okay let's talk about songwriting so during this time and through this development years who were you

listening to like i need to be i need you know like at first we're like i need to be like this guy oh yeah i need to be like this who were they in um well so i mean i grew up you know my my dad my dad was always playing like uh you know the motown r&b like kind of blues that kind of stuff but also like the 60s and early 70s folk movement so like crosby stills and nash and like carol king and james taylor and all that kind of stuff so i grew up with that but then my sister from an early age raised me on like like when other kids were listening to Dookie by Green Day older younger older she's uh five and a half years older I was listening to like uh Boyz II Men and Tupac and Biggie and like that kind of stuff and like so I got into hip-hop and R&B way young and then I'm 33 okay um and then you know as I was coming into high school, what was it?

Well, in middle school, then, like, I heard, you know, Lauryn Hill put Miseducation out. And then I heard Nothing Even Matters. And I was like, who is that dude? Found out that it was D'Angelo. And then, like, the next year, Voodoo came out. So I was just, like, all in. And just, like, straight up D'Angelo, Music Soulchild, Erykah Badu,

like, Jill Scott. That whole neo-soul movement just grabbed me from the get. Basketball. Yeah, exactly. Because growing up in Portland, Maine, was that music popular? Not necessarily. But at the same time, there was a beautiful, beautiful community that rose together in Portland, Maine that you would never expect from a 65,000 person town

in the northeast corner of the country that there would be such crushing musicians. But there was a band called Rustic Overtones, which was Zoetis' first band. Zoetis from, Ryan Zoetis from Lettuce. So he's from Portland too? He's from Portland, yeah. What the fuck is going on out there

bringing all these musicians? Dude, and Nigel Hall was living up there at that time. Come on. So Nigel was up in Bangor, and then Zoidus and my boy John McClain, if I get the story right, so Nigel don't get mad at me if I mess this up, but I'm pretty sure he was playing a solo gig in Hallowell, which is right outside of- Is Nigel our age?

Nigel's a little bit older than us okay um not by much i think maybe like four years or something um but he was playing a solo gig in hollowell right outside of augusta which is the capital of maine and zoitus and our boy john mclean were up there for a gig stumble in and then see him playing by himself at this random bar in northern maine and we're just like yeah you're gonna come with us and so then he came down and started playing in Portland a bunch they put together the Nigel Hall band and like John Notto who lives out in LA now but is around and plays with a bunch of the homies uh Stu Mahan who played with the Kraz for a while London Souls and all them uh

like they were all part of his band and like that that was some of the first music that I was going out to see. I was underage, but my dad was like, he would bring me out to see this. And I would go see the Rustic Overtones, see them play. And then Dan Boyden and Tyler Quist from Jaw Gems and a bunch of other people were all kind of like we were starting Model Airplane and then kind of came in. So was Model Airplane getting big in high school or no? No, that was after. I guess it started right after I graduated. So who was the muse?

Oh, there were plenty of muses, man. In the beginning? In the beginning. There was a German exchange student that was the impetus for my first song. Explain. Her name was Alexandra. We went to a football game. So my first song. Explain. Her name was Alexandra. We went to a football game.

So your first song you wrote? Yeah, like two nights before. Junior year? No, junior year. Two nights before she had to leave, we went to the football game together, had a very magical evening. She helped me discover things about myself.

Aren't Europeans like that, though? I'm saying, man. I love, I tour Europe all the time, and the people there, you get to know a little more about yourself. Absolutely, man. Because they're up front. Americans are kind of like,

are pretty passive. They'll just suppress their real feelings, and then we just keep on doing the same bullshit because no one's calling us out on it. Absolutely. And I mean, suppression is, yet again, a very dangerous thing for all of us. Yeah.

So go back to this. But yeah, but so I mean, she was taken off like two days later to fly back to Germany. I'm just like, I need to figure out a way to like, so that she remembers me. Yeah. And I went home and i had like just started playing guitar and just like picked up the guitar and was just like i don't really know what the fuck to do

with this thing but i'm about to write this shit what'd you start okay let's go there where okay so when you're due i'm about to write this were you thinking of you've already have a melody no i had nothing so your hands just went to this i mean i like, I mean, I'd been playing a little bit. Like I could like move chords at that point. Yeah. But like. And your ears getting better because you're singing a lot more. Yeah, and I'm also pretty lucky

because I grew up around music, you know, like music was always played around my house. My dad was gigging all the time. My first working gig was being a roadie for his band. So he was working. He was playing in a GB band, doing like the wedding band thing and then also had a had a side band the like did he have a full-time job too or just yeah so well so him and my mom both teachers so my mom's a kindergarten teacher my dad teaches food service for special needs at a

vocational high school so that's kind of like a perfect gig if you want to be like a weekend warrior and like summertime yeah man like you know to be like a weekend warrior in like summertime. Yeah, man. Like, you know, so they got to. Band. As we all know, teachers don't get paid nearly enough. Hell no. And like, I mean, they should be some of the highest paid people in the fucking country.

Yeah. But yeah, so it was great because he still had an outlet for music. It worked out great for me because then I had an intro to a new gig. So I would go and set up the stuff and do all that kind of thing and then take the money and basically just go straight to the record store and just buy CDs. No shit. So you really dove in. Same here, man.

I didn't start playing music. I loved music, but I didn't start playing music until 17, 18. Same thing. Oh, crazy. You're learning these songs. You're learning these chord progressions, and this song just comes out. Was it an easy feeling for you? Did it feel easy?

I think that it was one of those, I got lucky because, I mean, I'm sure that you have these experiences, too, where some of the songs just fucking come out. Yes. Like, they just, like, it's like your hand just moves for you. It's like the Ouija board or whatever. What do you think that is? Like, uh... Open vessel?

Yeah, it's when you get out of your own way. A lot of the time. So how do you... Sometimes... But doesn't that happen when we stop thinking about getting in our own way? Exactly. Exactly. But it's, I mean, it's the same thing. I mean, you relate it to basketball. sometimes but doesn't that happen when we stop thinking about exactly getting in exactly but it's i mean it's the same thing i mean you relate it to basketball like when you get in that zone you're not thinking yeah you know like when you're on stage and you're in that and you're in that

zone like you're not thinking that's what i'm trying to get at this moment living in the moment is the closest thing we could be to an open vessel absolutely Absolutely. Yeah? Yeah, I dig that. So what about, okay, so we got you, you started writing these songs. What did learning an instrument teach you about life? Because it's a little different than taking jump shots, taking the same jump shot every 200 shots. Oh, for sure. So what different lessons did you learn

from those first couple years of like, fuck, God, I can't get this lick or I can't get this melody? Right. What were those? Right. Yeah. I mean, I always used, I was kind of defaulted because I started later on. I kind of defaulted to other people that I was around that were really talented where like I would use it as as like a vessel to write a song so like it was kind of the new discoveries

of learning different chord progressions learning different like extensions on the on that like kind of learning the rules and then breaking them and then learning how to break them you know I mean because you kind of have to learn and like it took me a little while to learn that but that you need to actually learn all the like all the rules in order to break them what's the most important rule in songwriting to you just be genuine yeah yeah it's like it's you you have to be genuine it doesn't matter whether you write the dopest lyric ever if you don't feel that shit when you sing it or play or play it then it doesn't matter whether you write the dopest lyric ever. If you don't feel that shit when you sing it or play it, then it doesn't mean shit.

What's the most genuine song you've ever written to you? You still get hairs on the back of your neck or on the back of your whole body. You're a hairy dude. I'm a hairy dude too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. It's everywhere, man.

It's everywhere. No, they called me the Sasquatch of Seoul in New York. yeah so yeah we don't we don't have to compare but we can um but uh man what do you think I mean it's it's honestly an old song yeah no no I mean it's it's it kind of it kind of depends on the mode I think that there are a few. Like there's this one song called Billie Anne that I wrote that was like a weird kind of like premonition dream that I had of my college girlfriend before we even got together. Like I met her, I woke up, had a dream, wrote that song at like 4 a.m.

Met her that day? Well, like I'd been watching her, but I met her that day, went to sleep, woke up that night at like 4 a.m. And then... Met her that day? Well, like I've been watching her, but I met her that day, went to sleep, woke up that night at like 4 a.m., wrote the song, and then... And it ended up being

the story of our relationship and I really... Before? Before the whole thing. Yeah. You put that shit in fruition? Yeah, I guess. I guess I did.

My fucking God, dude, you are. I know, but I should have written a happy ending, though. Oh, damn. So what happened? Broke heart? Oh, yeah. Broke heart once the winter came. Okay, so everything was...

Talk about that. Oh, I mean, it's like... It was... Was that the first broken heart? That was... Yeah, that was the first one that fucking broke me. Just disintegrated me. Why?

I'm a lover. I give give myself you give it all i yeah i give it all i give it all and uh and that's been i mean shit man that's been that's been a good lesson to learn over over a few more heartbreaks how to how to find that balance as well speaking of that i mean like you seem like you had a nice situation in portland you had this fan you had you know situation in Portland. You had this band. You had your band. I don't know. We haven't got too much into your first band. Was it popular?

Yeah. Well, the way that I would describe it is it's like one of the best bands that was never a band. Yeah? Did you have a deal or anything? No, it was much more like a collective. We never really toured. Like, in 15 years, yeah, has it been 15?

Yeah, like 15 or so years, we've never really toured. We've never recorded. But we can do, like, a thousand tickets on a weekend. Fucking amazing. It's fucking weird, man. And are all those other band members

in other bands that are popular? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, plenty of people tour around. So, like I said, like Tyler Quist, the Keys player from Jaw Gems. Dan Boyden, the drummer from Sister Sparrow and the Dirty Birds.

Oh, shit, yeah. And then Nigel. Well, so Nigel sat in with us, but he wasn't in that band. But, like, you know, this guy Dane Farnsworth, who plays with Mingo Fishtrap and, like, tours all around. That band's good, too. That guy could sing his ass off, too. Hell, yeah. Roger's the shit, man. Roger's one of my favorites. Are they up there too? No, but Dane,

it was funny. So Dane, Keys player, we were at an after party after one of the model airplane shows. Our buddy Bob, who was the guitar player at the time, played Mingo Fishtrap for us, and we were all flipping out. Dane hit him up on MySpace and got the gig. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, it was like the one time or last time that I ever saw somebody on MySpace get a damn gig. He hit them up, and he was just like, yo, I really like you guys. And then Roger hit him up and was just like,

yo, we're actually looking for a Keys player, and you sound great. Do you want to come down to Austin and check it out? That's insane insane it's amazing how life does that because like it's all part of the plan whatever it is

the universe you know like how it's when you're an open vessel you get knowledge coming in and coming out

all the time if you're gonna respond to it or not it's like the alchemist or whatever it's like Paulo knows all about that. All his books are all about that.

Getting in tune with fucking Mother Nature. Well, yet again, it's listening. Everything comes down to listening. That's what I'm saying. You had this great life in Portland and you're doing things and you had this community.

You're a guy who was full love then you moved to Denver oh there was plenty in between how oh what tell me yes well so I went to Skidmore College um and that's where I met so you went to college you didn't take this band no because I mean because yeah so like you know model airplanes started but like it didn't really take off at that point yet like I mean we're the only gigs that we had done then we're over my could have been, dude. Yeah, right? It still might be, man.

Why don't you bring it on? Dude, it's a fucking super group, man. Yeah. Hey, festivals out there, when you're booking the motel, book us too. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, let's double up. That would be so dope. So I went to Skidmore College.

Model Airplane was always like we would put the shows together when everyone was home so people were going off to college doing their thing yeah um so i went to skidmore college and met a bunch of amazing users saratoga springs new york like three hours north of uh you're still close yeah yeah still in the northeast um and is that private school or uh yeah yeah it is did it have good sports no that break your heart a little bit no no i didn't want to i didn't i knew i wasn't going to the nba at that point i had accepted that part and you know took that that delusional dream and traded it in for the delusional dream of being a like you know a fucking artist yeah oh yeah like a kid from maine just like i'm just like i could be a soul singer i could definitely be a soul singer.

It's like, what the fuck? White boy from Portland, Maine. Yeah, it's just like, come on, man. Just a fuzzy motherfucker from Maine. Look what you did, bud. Hey, man. Delusion. Sometimes we need blind disillusion in order to make shit happen.

So was there a professor? Did you graduate? Yeah, I graduated thanks to a lot of my incredible friends there. Why? Were you starting to get out of hand? I was ready to go. Well, no, I was just ready to fucking go play music, man. You always knew.

Yeah, I knew it. By the time sophomore year came around, I pretty much would tell my friends that I was going to leave the next semester, and then they'd convince me to stay. And I'm glad I did. I have some of the greatest friends and some of the most inspiring people

that I've ever met from college. Yeah, just some of the most ubiquitously talented people. And I honestly feel like I... I mean, it was a great school. I learned a lot from the professors and from the classes, but I think I learned a lot more from the students and from my peers. What'd you learn in this part of your life? I think it was really just like opening up to the possibilities

of creativity and passion, whether that be in a science or whether that be in an art or whatever it is uh and the fact that you don't have to be limited to one like there would be you know this guitar player um i remember this guitar player named garrett like he's badass on guitar he would play in a couple of the bands and all that kind of thing and like two years later, I'm walking by. I was seeing this girl that was an artist. So I was going through the art building. And I look in, and I see him painting.

And I'm just like, what the fuck? And he's just like, oh, yeah, dude. I just play guitar for fun. I'm a painter, bro. And I'm just like, what? And he's sick. And he's sick. How is he a painter? He's fucking amazing dude he's just like

yeah it's just unbelievable i mean and then like my my my my uh freshman college roommate is dude mike caplan like the most brilliant and most hilarious and intelligent dude i've ever met um he brilliant jazz drummer and piano player and neuroscience like neuroscientist and now primary care doctor, went to Yale, went over to Tel Aviv to do his med school, came back and is now pushing the realms of the medical field into kind of an old school model where instead of having a bunch of specialists and a bunch of things like that that really drive up healthcare costs, he's just learning all the shit so that he can just

do it all right there and be able to help out. And he's part of a movement that's going on. And he's now already a published writer about it. And I'm just surrounded by these people that are just like- Who became amazing people, Lyle. Just like, yeah. Holy shit.

And we would need a much longer podcast for me to talk about all the other people. But this is the energy that I'm surrounded by. So you felt that energy in college that these guys, I'm in the right spot. Oh, without a doubt. Without a doubt. So how'd that affect your songwriting? It made you want to work harder?

Oh, absolutely. It made me want to work harder. And then also with the incredible musicians that I was around. Talk about Sister Spare on the Dirty Boys now. My boy, Nat Osborne, who I met freshman year, he's now the keys player for them and all that. So funny. A bunch of my friends. Yeah, Saratoga.

They're around Woodstock, don't they live around there? Yeah, not too far. Arlie and Jackson. Yeah, exactly. They're up in the Catskill area. Yeah. Wow. But yeah, and then what was cool is, so then most of us all moved down to New York City.

So I did seven years in Brooklyn. Where? I lived in Brooklyn. Really? I lived in Flatbush. Oh, cool. Yeah, I was South 6 in Dunham. I love it.

I love it. What year was that? I was 2009 to 2015. Oh, so this is where you started really getting serious with the songwriting. Oh yeah, for sure. So like, well, so I had made my first record. I remember I got turned down for, I wanted to make like a funk orchestra for my senior music project. Oh, so you studied music?

Yeah, yeah. I like, yeah. I mean, I, you know, had a handicap because I never learned any of this shit beforehand but like i came in and ended up so how hard was that uh like learning like basically starting over and learning like theory and was it that kind of education yeah yeah it was like it was a small program um but uh but it was great it opened my mind to a lot of things and gave me like gave me new tools that i could use. Go back to your story about four years ago or your senior year project. Oh, but yeah. I mean, it kind of worked out nice.

I wanted to do a funk orchestra. What's that mean? Just like do a funk band, but then write string arrangements, write the whole thing out and kind of like conduct the whole thing and all that. But they didn't like the i forget who was the the chair at that time but he he wasn't really into it so i was like fuck it i'll just make a record and so i made a record used my dad's blues band as the backing band and like some of model airplane and so i put that record out released it like right at the end of senior year so that i

could just like hey anybody that wants to capitalize on nostalgia here's my record my fucking god come on man it's like that's so smart yeah but like inherent business kind of like started to trickle in at that point so you always had you always had a pretty savvy business mind on you or no uh learned and still learning you know yeah um yeah learned and still learning but so then i got down what are you learning i think we're always learning yeah what do you want to learn about the business of this side um enough to get by but not enough to fucking swim in a little too much you know what I mean like it's it's a trap yeah it's it's a trap and I don't want to get into that mindset all the time um stress you out no do you just no I just don't I don't I don't want to get into that mindset all the time. Does it stress you out? No.

Do you just want to be an artist? No, I don't have the passion for it like I do for writing and things like that. But it intrigues me. Yeah. And so I want to be able to have enough of a knowledge without digging myself too far away from the just like your yeah and just like the vision is like uninhibited creativity i don't want to have to be like thinking in the back of my mind while i'm writing a song like i should make this decision because that'll be a more accepted or

like or like how hard is that uh it's take outside sources especially with a band now like Motet? Sure, sure. Are you writing all those songs? Yeah, so we have kind of like the assembly line thing where it's like- You start it? No, a lot of the time, one of the guys from the rhythm section

will bring in an idea. The rhythm section will get together and kind of form it into kind of a loose form or something that feels good. They'll hand it over to me and then I'll sit at home and write the song. How hard is that? Again, sometimes it takes a half hour and sometimes it takes five weeks. Do you like that process more than you starting the song in the beginning? I think that they're- Different beasts?

Yeah, they're different beasts. Towards the end're different beasts. You know, I was getting into, towards the end of my time in New York, I was getting into co-writing and writing for other people. And I love doing that. So who was your posse in New York? Dude, like Turquoise, London Souls, you know, like kind of the royal family

a little bit as well. So like, so funny enough, another Skidmore contact. So two of my best friends that I met the first night of Skidmore grew up with Taylor from Turquoise. So my first trip off campus was to go to Berkeley and go visit Dave and visit-

What did you think of all those cats at Berkeley? What do you thought about Berkeley? I mean, granted, I wasn't living the day-to-day music. I always thought, there were thoughts in my brain about maybe I should have gone to music school or something like that. In the end, I have no regrets about what I did and how I did it. But it was pretty amazing to, like, you know, just walk into, like, as I'm, like, finally, especially getting into college, like, I'm surrounding myself with people who are just as passionate about music as me. And, like, you know, it's a coming kind of kind of time and you're on your own

for the first time and like walk into berkeley and walk into you know the room that they that they have and like dave from turquoise had already started the like galaxy smith kind of recording thing that he's got set up in his bedroom and then you got like their living room is just instruments it's like like like you you know that you're not just like hanging out watching a movie right there it's just like there's a drum set there's two keyboards there's amps everywhere and so we just walk in and we're just fucking drinking smoking doing whatever else and you ever take psychedelics in these years yeah yeah and write on it i was i was uh i was uh you know i i didn't write as much on it um was it. No, I just never, like, I was always, like, take mushrooms and go into the woods.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Not take mushrooms and go to your workspace. No, no. I never really, I hadn't really done that. No, I honestly still haven't done that a ton. It's always been kind of a- You like being in control?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like... I don't... I like... I've definitely experimented with a fair amount of drugs, but most of them are ones that I can control well and, like, do just enough of to be able to feel all the effects, like, let loose and all that.

Like, I mean, even with mushrooms, like, I think the most I ever took was, like, half an eighth or something like that. Yeah, yeah. I don't like overthinking my life over having an accidental crisis because I'm taking a drug. Sure. And the end of the summer, last summer, I was going through some heaviness, and I just started reading Michael Pollan's book, How to Change Your Mind, the whole psychedelic meditation. So I ended up doing two hits of acid out in the middle of Taos, New Mexico and one of those fucking earthships.

Yeah. It was in the like late summer. Oh, Taos. Oh, the, the, the brewery. Yeah. So we did the, the, the first, uh, motet, uh, motet on the Mesa. We threw a little festival there and I, yeah. And I, uh, and I rented one of those earthships, the like, you know, Mad Max Desert version of the Shire kind of ship,

but I was right at the end of it. So it was basically just me, desert, and two hits of acid. Oh, amazing. And it was like deconstruction, reconstruction kind of vibe. Yeah? It was beautiful. It is halftime at the Enni Fresco interview hour. It is halftime at the Andy Fresco interview hour.

He's talking shit about the game. He's got a weird fucking name. It's Sports with Dolove. Woo! Hello, everybody. Welcome to Dolove Sportscast. This week, we're going to be talking some NBA playoffs. All right, all right, all right.

Fuck you, Andy. God damn it. You fucking talked all that fucking shit. Fucking Rockets beat my damn jazz. Bullshit. Fuck you, James Harden. You're just as much of a bitch as Andy is. Man, y'all suck bass. God damn it. You fucking chock all that fucking shit.

Fucking rockets. Damn jazz. Bullshit, dude. It's Sports with Doloff. Fuck. Woo-hoo. Woo-hoo. We're going to get into the motel a little bit. I want to know that transition.

Because it was probably, what was it, from New York? You went from New York to Denver? Yeah, so when I was in New York, I was a subway musician for like four years. And just singing? Yeah. So like I worked at a coffee shop for three days. Who were your songwriters? Who were your guys during this?

Were you on the bus? Like Damien Rice or any of these guys? Oh, yeah, man. So I was deep in, I mean, I was going down. So I would do the platforms, not the cars. But it was a sociological study, man, because it's the one place where the Wall Street exec, the starving artist, and the 65-year year old homeless dude are all on the same platform all on the same place you're like you're equal and i love that and um and so it was like it was

fun to kind of read the crowd and see like you know what songs like yeah like do you play like a ray lamontagne song right here or do you like drop some boys to men and like really fuck with people a little bit do you drop some like old motown stuff or like some new soul it is a social experiment oh it's great man it was great and i like actually made a little bit, you drop some old Motown stuff or some new soul. It is a soul experiment. Oh, it was great, man. It was great. And I actually made pretty good money. How much money were you making? I was making probably 50 bucks an hour.

Fucking awesome. Yeah, it was great. It was great. And then I always wanted to have dope musicians in my band. But I would play Rockwood Music Hall was my home. And that's where I was doing all my solo shit and all my stuff. But a lot of the time, it's the pass the hat kind of thing. But if you want the bad musicians, then you got to pay them.

And so I would go down and I would play in the subways. Even on gig night, I would put the poster up in my guitar case. But I'd make enough money so I could pay all the musicians so I could break even. Yeah. But I'd make enough money so I could pay all the musicians so I could break even. Yeah. And my whole goal with being in New York was to create the community and write the record that I always wanted to write and have the players that I wanted to play on it. What was that?

So I put out this record called Uneven Floors. Was that the big one that got you the award? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tight. What award was it? It was the Abe Ullman songwriter hall of fame award holy shit didn't uh john legend get one of those yeah oh dude yeah and like and it was cool because like

uh do you know emily emily king hell yeah yeah so she she won she won for like c-sac that that she won a different award right there too so it was cool it was in good company man in good company so did you get a deal from that or no no they it was like it was a money money payout kind of thing which was nice because i was working on the record at that point still and you still haven't got a record deal like as at this point in your life so so i like i mean what the fuck i mean like the i had some of the shows come after me yeah Yeah. Like the, like, Yeah, American Idol. X Factor and, like, The Voice and stuff like that. Those contracts are horrible.

Oh, they're terrible, man. And, like, you know, like, The Voice called me three years in a row and, like, because I went to, like, a piece of buddy of mine that worked for BMI. He was, like,

hey, like, the people at BMI want you to try out for this. And, like, they had done a lot for me and, like, they were the ones that got, like, you know, helped enter me into that award uh that award thing that that i want and um and so i was like all right cool i'll just go and you know it'll be a fucking hilarious experience and like you know did it and they called me back like they basically saved me a spot a couple years in a row and it's like i just can't fucking do that shit dude think about if you

did it i I know. You would have made it far. And then your career- Would have been fucked. Would have been fucked. And you would have had to do this solo thing and it would have been like, you like control like me. That's also one thing I want to talk about with the Moten,

the chemistry of that. But right now, if you would have done that, think about how different your life would have been. Oh, without a doubt, man. I stand by that choice so much. Because then I got to write the record that i wanted to write yeah but was there any temptations like the second year like maybe you were super broke and like man sure i'm broke as fuck in new york city and they're calling me telling me they saved me a place in hollywood of course but like so who told you no what was the willpower did you just felt

in your gut i mean i felt it but also people that I was talking to, you know, like enough people around. What were they saying? I mean, a lot of them had heard kind of the like beginning things of Uneven Floors and the record that I put out. And they're just, you know, they were just, I mean, the reason why I love the people that I'm surrounded by, they didn't tell me no. They asked me the right questions.

Yeah. people that I was surrounded by, they didn't tell me no. They asked me the right questions. You know, they asked me the questions like, you know, like, look ahead. Like, if you win, what do you see your life like? Is this the reason why you want to get in? Like, what parts of this appeal to you? What parts of it scare you? Think about all of these things and, like, really get deep onto it. Yeah. Homies!

Dude, I'm lucky to be surrounded by, like, yeah. My family and my chosen family are fucking incredible dude yeah i'm a blessed man well because you're a listener and they respect you and you talk and when you when they talk you listen that's a true friendship that's what it should be i know isn't it sometimes we just hold on to these friendships from our past just to hold on to them. Sure. You know, it's hard, even with anything in life, I think.

You know, it's like, so were you starting to get in a groove with this New York living? Were you making money yet on this record a little bit? Yeah, and, like, I'd gotten, like, well, so, well, funny enough, I'll get to that. So, like, I got into the, like, the the college scene, like what was it called? NACA or whatever. Like, so I got it. Yeah. Oh dude, it was great, man. I was doing solo. I was like playing in fucking cafeterias solo for an hour on like a Tuesday and getting paid like two grand. It was just like, okay, this is good. Thankfully it's helping me pay for my record and all that

kind of stuff. But like, it obviously wasn't feeding my soul. But it was providing me with the necessary money to put out this record that I wanted to put out. How much was rent in 2013 New York? I found a great spot. You said Bushwick Flats? No, Flatbush. Flatbush. Yeah, so I was right off the Q train.

I was lucky that I found some spots. At first, I was living with three other people and had it down for $600 a month. It was not a nice place. Yeah, but you're getting by. Yeah, getting by. And then found another place as I started making a little bit more money. Did you have a job, too?

No, just Subways. Just music. Subways, dude. Fucking Christ. Cr was like 850. Did you have a job too? No. Just Subways. Just music. Subways, dude. Fucking crap. Crushing the Subways. And then as I was starting to make more money above ground and getting the college thing, then I was able to put that behind me a little bit more. Did you ever have any Subway turf wars with musicians?

Give me any crazy stories. They wanted to throw your shit out. Yeah. Let's just... I'm a good talker. Yeah. I'm good at calming people down when they need to be. So what happened? I mean. What was the craziest one?

Well, there's. I'm a good talker. Well, I think that what it really came down to is like it was the greatest that about the subway scene to me was it was a community when you when you let it be and uh and there was a permit yet so i got i got the permit but the permit they uh they would like you have to sign up and they would give you specific times and a specific place to go and my whole thought was like if i wanted a schedule then i'd go get a fucking yeah regular like a regular job so you know i would keep it i would like keep the the permit thing with me even if i was playing elsewhere so that i could like you know when like when the cops

came like yeah because like the cops came up i knew all the rules and like the only thing that was technically illegal that i was doing was selling my CDs. Like, the CD from college and all that. But, like, you know, again, like, it kind of worked out. I kind of like talking to people. So what happened? I would, like, I mean, like, turn it around and, like, the cops would buy my CD. And, like, become friends with them and create, like, create the community down there. and like become friends with them and create like create the community down there and like you know there were some times when like you know some dudes would try like would try to like come up

on me or like you know like play on the like you know if I was playing on one side of the platform they go and like play on the other side with an amp or something like that and blow me out and so it's like you know yeah it's dick moves but I would like be able to learn how to how to talk with them and create this to. Did you talk to them? Oh, yeah. What would you say? I always approach it. You'd always approach it?

Oh, yeah. Of course, man. But never anger. Never anger, because I think that when you come to something with anger, anger is the response. But if you come to something with a peaceful offering, but still standing your ground, just respect. If you come with respect you'll get respect yeah more often than not and if you don't then you kind of you learn what battle to pick yeah you know what battle did you pick on this one i mean on that one we became good friends

yeah any of them were like they just started yelling at you like this is my spot i've had this spot every tuesday at eight to nine what the fuck you know yeah sure and then i'd call them out because i'd be like yeah actually i've been on this spot every Tuesday at eight to nine. What the fuck? Oh yeah, sure. And then I'd call him out because I'd be like, yeah, actually I've been on this spot for that long. So I know that you're bullshitting me. And like, and two, let's just work together because the thing is, is like, we can work together. If you call me or I call you, we can text each other. Or like, if I'm playing, you know,

there was a little bit of an unspoken rule that like, if, you know, as long as you got to know the person a little bit, you'd be, you'd go, you'd walk up, put a five down in their case. You'd be like, yo, how long you playing? And they'd be like, play for another hour. It's like, cool, I'm going to come back in 40 minutes. Will you save it for me? And they're like, yeah, definitely.

And so you just kind of like, there were little- That's cool. Yeah, there were little offerings and little ways that you could kind of get into it and just create the community, take care of each other like that. And so then they would do the same kind of thing. Come in, drop a five, something like that. I'd be like, I'll be here for a half hour more. Just hang out for a little bit. Maybe I'll finish up sooner.

That's cool, man. So there was some respect, the musical respect in the community. Oh, yeah. Because there was like this other band, Too Many Zoos or something. One Moon Hooch was also- Oh, Moon Hooch. That's who it was. Yeah, because they would play.

We would actually do the same platform, but they would play at night. I'd play during the day. Shut the fuck- Did you meet them? Yeah. During those times? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So was that like the most fun times of your life, or was it hard? Oh, it was super hard, man. I mean, it was really fun. Were you stubborn? You were too stubborn to get a job, so you said, no, I'm only doing music. I honestly made more money than I probably would have made at a job

doing the Subway thing. It just wasn't consistent. Do you know who Caleb Hawley is? Yeah. New York songwriter. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he's the man. Yeah, of course.

He did the same thing. I mean, all these musicians. So there's a living that could be made. So you paid your rent off of just... Yeah, I paid my rent and my band off that shit get the fuck yeah how lyle yeah oh my granted like i was lucky that you know these really talented musicians gave me you know they were like cutting me deals in the grand scheme of things like i had i had a fucking badass band yeah and like how much does the record How much did the record that you wanted to make cost you? Did you self-finance it?

That probably cost, like, total a little over 30 grand. Okay. And you self-financed? I crowdfunded 15 of it. Oh, good for you. And then you came up with the other 15? Yeah, exactly. Wow.

But, yeah, man, I mean, like, I had... How old were you here? This was 2015. So, I mean, I put this out when I was 29. Wow. But yeah, man, I mean, like I had- How old were you here? This was 2015. So, I mean, I put this out when I was 29. Wow. Yeah. From there, did you- Or like, yeah, 29, 30.

So what made the move to Denver? Well, so funny enough, so like I put this record out, you know, I got like the baddest dudes. It was cool. It was like Nigel Hall, Adam Magati from Corey Henry and the Funk Apostles, Louis Cato on drums, Calvin Turner on bass, and then we went down to Nashville, did Strings and Horns and all that shit. It was like, put the record out. It was already starting to get some love in the UK and in Japan, of all places. Independently?

Yeah, independently. I sent out like 5,000 emails because I was doing it all myself. My fucking God, dude. Yeah, so I sent out like 5,000 emails, I was doing it all myself. Fucking God, dude. So I sent out like 5,000 emails, was just like, put it all out. And starting to kind of get that stuff. And three weeks after I put it out, the Motet called and were just like, hey. Where have they found you? Turquoise and lettuce.

I think it was actually Shira that said it first and then Turquoise and then the Lettuce crew backed it up. And, you know, Kraz was producing the Totem record that they had already been in the process of making. So then they asked him. They didn't have a singer yet? Well, no, because it was when Janz was parting with them and so they were looking for a replacement.

And, you know, they asked, and luckily the folks that they asked, both Turquoise and Lettuce put my name in. And then kind of everybody that they did ask. Was Bo-Tep popular yet? Oh, yeah. How popular? Doing like 1,000 seat rooms rooms 300 seat rooms what i mean i think that it was it was it was like probably similar to like like a little a little bit lower than where we're at now yeah you know but they like because they had put out the self-titled uh like the motet record um and that i think that was like the i think that was maybe in 2009 or something like that.

Sorry, guys, if I get that wrong. That's okay. That was before my time. But they were definitely kicking into gear at that point, starting to tour around, starting to hit the festival scene hard. But I remember I had heard word that they might ask me through a couple friends. Did you know this band before?

I mean, I knew who they were like i didn't know them like i didn't know their music yeah i'd never met any of them but i was familiar with with who they were and i'd heard their music um and funny enough uh my album release in new york was the same weekend that they were playing at brooklyn bull i was playing at the knitting factory they were playing in the brooklyn. And I was kind of figuring I had heard word that they might ask me. And I was like, let them know that I'm in town and we can meet. And I never heard from them. So I was just like, all right, cool.

So it's not going to happen. Sick. So I'll just pour all my energy into this and we'll go. And then three weeks later, I got the call. So, oh my God. Did they tell you you have to move to Denver? No. I mean, so it was kind of a slow process.

No, I guess it wasn't a slow process at all. It was- How many dates were they doing? They were doing a lot more than- 100, 120. Okay. Something like that. But so they, we talked on, Joey called me initially.

We talked on the phone. Then Dave called me and we started talking. He was just like, all right, cool. Like we really want a songwriter, not just a singer. So like, you know, check this out. This is something that, you know, we've had, we've kind of had as an instrumental, but we're kind of thinking about tossing it because we can't really, like we haven't been able to write a song around it yet. And so they sent that to me and I wrote that in a couple of days and sent it back. And that ended up being The Truth, which was the first song on Totem. And so then they're like, cool, we dig this. Sent me another one.

Chris played Truth. Yeah. Which then ended up being Fool No More, which is the second song on the record. And then they're like, all right, cool. Why don't you come out for a rehearsal and we'll do a couple tours together so when you were

doing this did you like just record some vocals to it yeah they already had the hook no they just had the instrumental

but they knew where the chorus was going to be I mean yeah so with Totem they had gone into I think it was

the parlor studios down in New Orleans. Yeah, I played there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's cool. It's a great room. But so they went down and they recorded all the instrumentals ahead of time. And I think they had had certain versions of the songs already written, but the songs weren't set yet, or not all of them were.

And so I just bought some recording gear. I got like a UA Apollo twin or something like that. And then, you know, like bought a Shure SM7 and just like had a little home studio kind of vibe. So it was kind of perfect timing because I was like, cool, I can dig into my recording gear. And like I just wrote the song, wrote all the harmonies. Like I love doing that shit. It's like one of the most fun things I can do.

Do you want to produce? Like Krazy? Not there yet. But eventually, do you see yourself doing it? I think that more so I like the writing process. I love writing for other people. I love getting into their mind and kind of figuring out ways to help them achieve the sound that they want to achieve.

And I guess that that's like a certain element of production. I don't think I have enough of a knowledge of the recording studios to be able to do that some producers so maybe songwriter producers yeah so i mean so maybe i get there yeah you will who knows so you do these two songs you start all right they love it you get to denver yeah so they so they fly me out to a rehearsal and it was fast it was fast family man it was like walked in and like within a half hour it seemed like all the new yorkers are moving out here too yeah yeah what do you guys like about it was it hard was it hard to come into the band was it uh we're gonna talk about that in a second but was it hard to move from the east coast into the west coast because

you really didn't know too many people right no no not really at first well i mean i didn't i didn't move for a year oh okay so i was i was i was yeah i was in the band for a year before i came out i like kind of had some things i needed to need to tie up back east and uh and so i kind of like i came out girlfriend yeah did you break up with her? Yeah. Yeah? Why? It wasn't right. Yeah. We were exactly what we both needed for each other at that time, but we weren't right for the long run. And she was moving out to Portland, Oregon,

and it was kind of funny, man. We actually, like, it was like a planned breakup. No. Like a planned breakup in a certain sense, which was kind of interesting. Planned breakup? Like, okay, it was a countdown. In April, we knew that I was moving to Denver

and she was moving to Portland. We knew that we were going to break up, but like it wasn't anything that necessarily happened. It was just kind of the understanding of circumstance. Did you regret breaking up with her? Do you still think about her? No. No, it was the right thing for both of us that's good absolutely um but yeah so i mean we and plus it was kind of nice to still be around like have a final summer like because i had moved up to maine uh at that point uh to kind of like

the to save a little bit of money and launch the launch the record without having to pay new york rent and do everything like that so launch uh on even floors yeah so like i i just moved back as i released that record um and so crazy you've released this solo record and all of a sudden you're in a new band i know i know they could have saved me a lot of money if they asked me a little sooner man dude you could have had those guys back, yo. I'm a fucking guy, dude. Oh, I fucking like you, Lyle. I fucking like you. So, oh, dude, that's fucking nuts, man.

Because me being a control freak, we have very parallel stories in our life story. And, I mean, being a control freak and then now being in the pecking order where the songs are already there, does that stress you out? No. How many records have you done with the band now? Two now. But so it was interesting

because it was definitely one of the, the fact that they were giving me a lot of creative expression. Like you could bring a song to them? Oh yeah, I could definitely bring a song to them. Have you done that? But I ended up writing, I mean, there were two songs that were pretty much done on the Totem record. But out of the seven vocal tunes on the Totem record, I wrote five of them.

I wrote five of them you know so immediately like we like I came in and you know wrote two before we had ever met and then wrote three and like kind of rewrote one in the next two months and then was in the studio they like left me in the studio in New Orleans and and all went back and they're just like have fun you know which like, talk about a vote of confidence. And like, you talk about like being in control. It's like, how grateful am I to come into this group that has been established so well established at this point? And they put the trust in me to do that. It was like, it was an incredible vote of confidence and like, and made me feel welcome.

That's how you knew these are my guys? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I mean, that was huge. Is it all about trust with you? I think the trust is a major thing. Trust and respect. Yeah.

I think respect is a huge thing. Yeah, I agree, man. I agree. And kindness. Yeah, of course. You got to be a good person. Especially in this industry when it's like, well, I think this jam community and this songwriter community that's being built. I feel like the more jam scene is now with vocals.

Yeah. Like us. Yeah. Like our band, your band, Sister Sparrow, Arlie. You know, like these cats who are singing now. Oh, yeah. It wasn't like that before. Right.

like these cats who are singing now. Oh, yeah. It wasn't like that before. Right. So it's like a new fresh breath of air for the community. So it's like, yeah, I'm a songwriter too. I deserve to be part of this scene just as much as the guitar player. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And I think that it's only going to strengthen. I mean, there have been amazing songs throughout but like to be able to present fucking good songs yeah and then you can take the jam wherever you want but like like fucking songs man that's the shit that makes you feel that's the shit that like brings you in like and um like i think that it's just like you're talking about it's a really amazing thing because you know full disclosure I'd never really been part of the jam scene growing up

I'd like never like that was never the but it's so funny all your friends in your old band all became in the jam scene too right but like

dude I remember but I remember talking with Turquoise back in the day back when like they're playing a fucking cameo in Williamsburg and like all that kind of shit and I remember talking with Dave

and like just being like yo y'all need to go in the fucking jam scene and like I remember that they like had resistance at first man they were just like I don't know man like there's just like but it's like it wasn't anything like there wasn't like any negativity or anything like that it was just like a different direction but it's just like no like that's just seen and like look at them now man look at them now go baby go no but and it's likewise with you man that's your scene. And look at him now, man. Look at him now. Go, baby, go. I know, but it's likewise with you, man. That wasn't your plan in the beginning?

No, but I mean, expectation is a dangerous thing, man. Yeah, what do you think about that? What did you expect when you were a kid and then as a musician? I don't know, man. I mean, I think that creating goals is creating goals is imperative but thinking that it has to go exactly by the way that you want them to go it's like that's only going to hold you back like you create your goals and there's no single path that like that you can imagine that is going to get you there because like it's always

going to be left turns right turns turn the fuck around yeah go back there think about what you've done and then get back totally you know like stop for gas and figure it the fuck out but when you had those dreams of like i'm gonna be a musician i already know when you're a kid did you see this in your like i mean again i didn't i didn't think that i was gonna be a musician until i was probably 20. Yeah, but like when... But like even at that point, I was just like, whatever the fuck it is, I just want to play music. Cool. Like that's really what it was.

It's like, I want to write music that I love. I want to write music that I stand behind. And I want to be able to affect people the way that my heroes have affected me and be able to write the songs that... And how did they come to became the songs became soundtracks of my life i like i i've learned because i've always been focused on the song and like lyrics have always lyrics and melody have always been the thing for me um above it above kind of everything else what's the most perfect song to you oh there's there's there's there's a bunch um let's see i mean i'll just name a few one that i was learning today that i was uh that that i that

i love uh that's a recent one is uh if we were vampires by j Isbell. Yeah. It's like, it's fucking perfect. It's like the lyrics are insane. Do you relate to the lyrics? Mm-hmm. Definitely. How do they relate to you? Well, I think it's a matter of gratitude and appreciation in order to, like, so his whole, that song is basically

just like the deconstruction of a love song in order to find out what the real reason why we love and why we like render ourselves so vulnerable to outside on the corner and smoke and laugh at all the lovers and their plans. I wouldn't feel the need to hold your hand. So maybe time running out is a gift. And I'll work hard till the end of my shift and give you every second I can find and hope it's not me that's left behind. Who are you thinking about? Well, no, that's, no, that's. No, but when you first heard this song, were you dating a musician?

No. I mean, I think I was dating a musician when I was thinking about this, but it honestly made me think of my parents. What? What? Well, it's just like... So the chorus is... Fuck, what is it?

Oh, it's knowing that this can't go on forever um likely one of us will have to spend some days alone maybe we'll get 40 years together but one day i'll be gone or one day you'll be gone it's so real dude so real it's like there's no flowers there's no fucking flowers no on that shit but it's like it made me think about my parents like my like i'm you know i i hate to say it but, I'm extremely lucky to have parents that are still together and still love each other more than, or just as much as they did the day they met. Yeah. Are they your muse? In a big way, man.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. uh but like i think about that it's like you know unless that unless there's a tragedy in in a like that that takes them both at the same time there will be a day when one of them will have to live without the other person and like holy fuck i know exactly like i'm like i'm getting chills thinking about that like all of the hairs like literally every single hair on my body is standing up. But it's like it is the real shit. And it's like it makes you think about that stuff.

And like fear or sadness doesn't scare me. Like I don't want to run away from emotion because I think that it's all. It doesn't scare you? No, because it's all part of the human experience. And I think that if you're able to sit with it and able to understand it a little bit more, then it gives you a better perspective and appreciation for what really matters. When you have those good moments.

Absolutely, man. It's like, and so if you- Lyle, speaking the truth on the World Saving Podcast. Wow. Keep going with this. Yeah, but I mean, I think that creating songs like that, that take away all the flowers like that. Or you look at a song like Bill Withers,

Hope She'll Be Happier With Him. Maybe the lateness of the hour makes me seem bluer than I am. But in this darkness, I have no power. Hope she'll be happier with him it's just like are you kidding me my man like you just took all of these emotions that like swim around that like you could just like be like wrenching yourself and just like but he takes such few words and represents it and like that is a song to me yeah like you can hear like that was what 20 words 25 words yeah and like I hear it all and hear it all and like your hair stands up and like it takes you to a place it makes you think

about a thing and it makes you think about something that's important to you whether that's something that you're scared of whether that's something that you love whether it's whatever it's like it's meaningful to you and so to be able to like my goal is to be able to write something like that that like can either help somebody with like understand themselves better or understand something that they're going through better because lord knows it's going to help me understand it better by writing it and hopefully it's not just a selfish thing hopefully it's something that can be passed on and maybe played around, you know, as like maybe another musician will sing it

because it means something to them. Maybe somebody else will just, you know, play it when they're going through a great or a hard time, depending on what the song is and what it's about. And hopefully it just becomes meaningful. And it does if it's heartfelt. I mean, like when we say we're authentic with ourselves, anything's going to be meaningful.

Exactly. Because we're all going through the same shit. Yeah. Just different views, different. That's what me traveling around the country and the world now, and that's what I love about touring. I realize we're not different than anyone else. Exactly, man.

Everyone's dealing through the same shit. It's like we got different dance moves on the same dance floor. It like you know it's just like that's what it is fucking lyle dude what a dude i hope you had fun with us dude thank you so much man thank you i got one last question talk to me and then but hey we should do this again please and we're gonna play some more and fuck yeah okay i gotta play some ball together too yes well we played jam cruise we played we played a little bit you showed up a little late, man. I showed up late. Carl D was taking over. I didn't know it was you.

I know. I didn't know it was you until I took a step back. I'm like, wait a second. This guy shoots good. Jack's been telling me about him. This has got to be loud. It's fucking loud. Okay, so for my basketball heads out there,

if you start a band, For my basketball heads out there, okay, if you start a band, but you need to think of this band as a five-man basketball team. So what musician would be your center? What musician would be your power forward? What musician would be your small forward, shooting guard? You could be the point or whatever you want to be, and then I need a six-man, and I need a coach.

I love this. So your coach could be your manager, mentor whatever otiel's coach otiel's the coach otiel's the coach why that's like spiritual leader right there man he's just he's got a calm and an understanding and i think he's been around the block and played with so many people and every time i talk with him he's uh his perspective is his perspectives like our conversations feel like uh like like the the discourse version of the the songwriting that that we were just talking about just effective intelligent words he gets it i think that he would uh he would be right for calling the plays um all right so wait do i need to have does it need to be different instruments for for this as well or is it just okay if you want to build a a malicious songwriters okay it's for you lewis cato is the point guard okay who's he so lewis cato plays in the steven colbert uh late

night band but he's done a bunch of stuff with like the Ground Up Crew, Snarky, and like all of them. He played with, he played with, I mean, he's played with like Q-Tip. He's played with Talib Coley. He's played with like Bobby McFerrin. He's played with Marcus Miller. He's like, but he plays everything.

So he brought the point. He plays drums like just as good, if not better than anybody on the scene. He plays bass kind of the same, just as good, if not better, than anybody on the scene. He plays bass kind of the same, just as good, if not any. I'm pretty sure he played guitar with Stevie Wonder for a little bit. And he played baritone guitar with Bobby Womack. I mean, not Bobby Womack, Bobby McFerrin. Plays trombone.

Why would he be running the point? Because he can just kind of do it all. And he makes everybody on the stage better because of all of the things that he's capable of doing and because his understanding of music and kind of of the whole vibe he would uh i think he he would be the point guard because he would be the one that uh yeah that could that could just hold the shit down. Who's your center? Who's the backbone? Or you could do like center, power forward,

like duo meat and potatoes. No, for sure. I mean, I kind of feel like go to work every day, they're going to get you their double-double. Exactly, man. Exactly. double double exactly man exactly this is a great question this is a great question man i love this i love this i feel like sorry i'm gonna take a while i'm gonna take a little bit i'm to take a while.

No, be focused. I'm going to take a little bit to think about this because I want to say it right. Do they have to be, if you're thinking of like a mean potato type of thing, power forward, center, the backbones. Yeah. Do they have to be- Nikki Glaspi is the center.

Not the first one you said that. Really? Kaz too said that. Yeah. Nikki Glaspi is absolutely the center. Not the first one he said that. Kaz too said that. Nikki Glaspy is absolutely the center. What do you like about Nikki? Why is she the backbone? She's the driving force.

She's just like there is so much intention and so much power and so much conviction behind what feels like every decision and every action that she takes or makes and i just feel like she yeah she would just hold she she holds down the paint because like you you respect her you're scared of her but you also love her yeah and like also know that she's like she going to give you a hug at the end of it,

but she's going to beat you the fuck up and push you hard to be the best. Like a Shaq. Yeah, to be the best that you possibly can be. And she'd be a great passing center, too. Like a David Rock or like a Akeem Eliza one. I mean, you look at Shaq. Shaq was an amazing passer as well. Yeah, that's true.

Who's your power forward? Power forward? What are you going to play? Yeah, exactly. So I'm the two guard. Yeah, I'm the two guard. Okay, cool. Definitely.

Consistent buckets. Yeah, and I like... Ready to go. Yeah, ready to go. I'm just like, I'll get it done when you need me to do it. I'll hit it from the outside. I'll drive in. I'll pass. I'll do what I need to do. Yeah, ready to go. I'm just like, I'll get it done when you need me to do it. I'll hit it from the outside. I'll drive in. I'll pass.

I'll do what I need to do. Good. I'm not exactly running the point, but I'm helping to make the team a better team and make sure everybody's getting the distribution. Who's your PF? PF would be... All right, so... You got Nicky.

I got Nicky. I got Louis. I got you. I got Louis. I got... Okay, let's see. I got you. I got... Okay, let's see. You need a guitar player? Yeah.

Would that be more of the small Ford, or would that be your power Ford? All right, so guitar player is going to be sixth man. Okay, cool. That's going to be Adam Agati from the Funk Apostles. Okay. sixth man okay cool uh that's gonna be adam agati from uh from the funk apostles okay uh he's the baddest motherfucker but he's gonna need to go off the court and smoke a cigarette every now and again but but he's he's not only not only one of my favorite guitar players in the world but he's also one of my favorite songwriters um he co-wrote a few of the songs on uh on my uneven

floors record and it's like his lyrics, and I can like, you know, hear in the Corey Henry and the Funk Apostles records, like I know the songs that he helped write because I can hear the lyrics come out, and it's just like, that's the dude right there. He's like, he's one that is able to just kind of get that shot straight to the heart with few words. But he also will just step up

and absolutely melt you the fuck down when he takes a solo and like but also is one of my like crushes the rhythm game um okay so what are we missing we're missing power forward and small forward okay um what would be the small forward who would what type guy would that be? I'm trying to think, man. Because I almost want to move Lewis to the small forward position because he plays everything, so he could be versatile. So I think that's kind of what... 3 and D type of guys.

Yeah, that's kind of what I want to do. I'm going to switch Lewis to the small forward. Let's see. All right. So I need a keys player. You know what? I'm going to run the point. I'm going to take over that position. Nigel's going to play small. He's going to be the shooting guard. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah,... He needs to take the shots sometimes. Yeah, but I'll pass him the ball.

He could get the shots. He needs the ball. He's a scorer. He's a scorer. He's like a... I feel like he'd be like a James Harden style shooting guard. Because like Chris Paul is the point guard, but like James Harden's gonna bring

the ball up sometimes. And he's going to get 10 assists. Yeah, exactly. And it's going to be, I think that we would be a good backcourt. That's how he is in lettuce too. Yeah. He's kind of like that second, like when you need the second wind. Oh, yeah. He's there.

Like that second half, you know he's going to fucking turn up the gas and come through. That third quarter is important, man. You're damn right, man. You're damn right. Come out the half and fucking put up the gas and come through. I mean, that third quarter is important, man. You're damn right, man. You're damn right. Come out the half and fucking put it down. Yeah, dude. Absolutely.

So who's your last character? So we got guitar keys. We got multi-instrumentalists. We got drums. We got guitar. Do you need a bass player? Well, Lewis could be playing bass. So you don't need bass all the time?

No, you do need bass all the time with this shit. Because you need somebody to really hold it down. I'm going to go Garrett. Yeah? Yeah, fuck yeah. I'm going to go Garrett Sayers at that power forward. Just always there, reliable. Dude, every single night, it don't matter what the fuck happens off the court that

man gets on court and that motherfucker plays murders dude murders sounds like a stacked team buddy that's a pretty good team that's a pretty good team that's a pretty good team i feel good about this squad dude i'm in i'm in on that yeah i'm you know i'm you know the the horns off the bench are lacking right now and i recognize that, and we'll get there. It's okay. We'll get there. It's trade deadlines in a couple years. Yeah, exactly.

Wow. Thanks for being on the show, dude. Dude, thank you for having me, man. I appreciate you a lot. I'm thankful that we could be friends. I'm going to be spending a lot more time in Denver, too. Dude, we'll be getting up. Anytime you want to shoot some hoots or write some songs, hit me up.

Let's do that shit bye man love you let's meet you this is Yoav

my name is my name is Yoav I am from Israel I got your

your number from your agent but he's giving me his run around so I

want you to come play in Haifa. Haifa is in Israel it's a big city people here would love you and I just want I want to come I want you to come and play and whatever you need, I will get you. You stay in my house and if you want, you fuck my sister or my wife. If you want to fuck my wife, you both have good pussy. I know you love

pussy, but I need, I want to see you come play in Israel, okay? The people need you and I want you to play. My name is Yoav. You can call me back on this number, or email me, but whatever you need,

I know you love pussy, and I want you to come play with Andy Fasco and the young. So, come to Israel. And there you have it. Thanks, Lyle for being on the show

thanks for all your fucking guidance this guy's a fucking Buddha he's a really good guy you know you can get people in your life you don't expect how important

they are going to be in your life and I think Lyle's gonna be one of those guys in my life where we're gonna be brothers forever. He's a really good guy. Man, life is funny like that.

You know, when you don't, like, hope for something, it finally happens. And I've always wanted a friend like Lyle, so shout out to you, Lyle. Thanks for being on the show. But there you have it. That's it, guys. Another episode in the wraps. It's been fun. I've had a great tour. We're on our way to fucking

Jazz Fest, which is going to be sick. We got four shows, which is going to be so dope. We play Thursday with the Revivalists at the fucking Fillmore in New Orleans. They just opened a Fillmore in New Orleans. Sold out. 2,200 seats. My parents are flying out to go see me play for five nights. I don't know if my dad's liver is going to be able to take all this drinking, but we're going to happen. We're going to make it happen.

I'm going to try to get them to see some titties and stuff. Fucking, you know, jazz fest. It's New Orleans. Get my mom out there. Get her wild. I think they're going to have a good time. New Orleans is such a special city. Where else?

We're playing the Fillmore. We're doing this Bayou Rendezvous on Friday at 5 a.m. to 6.30 a.m., which should be insane. Then we do our own headline show at the Maison on Cinco de Mayo 5-5. We got so many heavy hitters hitting in with us. We got String Cheese Incident boys. We got a lot of podcast people.

Lyle's going to be sitting in with me. We got Jason Hahn, Dave Schools. Widespread just got announced. It's going to be a big weekend Come on out If you didn't get tickets to the Fillmore show Then There's still tickets left for my headline show

On the 5th But also next week We have Mr. David Shaw From The Revivalist on the show Yes And my co-host is going to be none only than my man Vinnie Herman. It's the best.

It's going to be a great episode next week. I have one week left of tour and then I have 10 days off and then I'm going to spend some time in New York City. I haven't seen any of my friends out there in a while. I'm going to try to write songs. It's time to write a new record. I'm slacking on it.

So I'm going to take a week off from the podcast so I can focus on these songs. I've got a lot of songwriting partners I'm writing with in New York. So give me a week off, and then we'll get David Shaw on the show and my boy Vinny. But ladies and gentlemen,

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you can fight through that. But friendships, these new families, find the people you want in your life that you love. Because life is short, man. I just can't believe it. I've been on the road for three and a half months. It just went by like this. It's fucking May, guys. It's May. It's crazy, dude. But take care of yourselves Love each other Be the people you want to be You know don't give up Fight for whatever you need to fight for

Because life is too short Alright guys Be safe out there Wear condoms Comb your hair Don't take shit from nobody Be exactly the person you've always wanted to be. I love you. Be safe.

Thanks for listening to episode 44 of the Andy Frasco World Saving Podcast, produced by Joe Angel Howe, Chris Lawrence, and Andy Frasco. Our special guest, Lyle Davinsky from the Motets. You can find him at themotet.com. Our special, special guest, Dolav Cohen. Doesn't have a website, but find him at Wes Lover on Instagram. Our guest hosts and special guests, Ari

Fenlings, Doloff Cohen, Arno Barker, Lyle Davinsky singing a song, I'll Be There by the Jackson 5. Ladies and gentlemen, it's been a wonderful have you here today. We're about to get darting,

Dala-daling, hooba-hopping, subscribe to the podcast where I can tell you what. See you next week when we got David Shaw from The Revivalist on the show. Peace out

and wear a fucking condom.