Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 45: David Shaw (The Revivalists)

Episode Date: May 14, 2019

Andy starts off this episode solo. He recaps his experience at Jazz Fest (his parents showed up). He gets down deep with what's been going on in his world, and it all leads into an amazing discussion with David Shaw, lead singer of The Revivalists. Deep thoughts in the deep end of the pool; heavy man. Tune in now to episode 45 NOW Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. Keep up with our pals, The Revivalists, at www.therevivalists.com Check out Andy's new album, "Change Of Pace" on iTunes and Spotify Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Arno Bakker Shawn Eckels Ahri Findling  

Hey Andy, this is Marcus down at Howlin' Wolf. I got your guest list here, and this is pretty fucking crazy, man. There's over 200 people on this guest list, you only got 10 tickets sold. Now we gave you this guarantee because you told us you could sell it out. I can't be giving away 200 tickets like I'm running a fucking pen zoo, okay? I can give you 25 comps. That's about it. The rest of these folks are going to have to go buy tickets if they want to see you. This ain't a fucking soup

kitchen, man. We got mouths to feed. Alright, tell these guys they need to buy some fucking tickets. Happy Jazz Fest. Hey, Andy, it's Marcus again. That was just your guest list, man? I mean, I got your band. Send me another 75 names, man. How many friends does this fucking Ernie guy got?

Call me back. Sell some goddamn tickets, man. Wow. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I am Andy Frasco. I just gotta say say, wow. Wow. Wow.

Wow. I literally just got off the plane at Jazz Fest. I'm in New York City. And I'm going cold opening here. It's just me, guys. Hey, guys, how we doing? If you're new to the podcast, what's up? I'm Andy. Got a big show today. David Shaw, Revivalist. New homie, but just we'll talk about David later, but wow. Jazz Fest is the craziest shit I've ever experienced.

I've ever experienced. It's, it's jam cruise on, on steroids. And you're in New Orleans, which New Orleans never fucking sleeps. I did a show on Friday from four to 6 AM in the morning. My parents showed up, they flew in.

I did. I opened for the film. I opened for the revivalists at the Fillmore. There was fucking 2,500 people there. My mom was crying. She was so fucking proud of me. This was one of the best weekends I ever had in my life. Shout out to the boys, Andrew, you know,

Zach, Ed, David, treating me like fucking king, like a king, and making me feel like a fucking pimp In front of my parents Shout out, thank you so much You don't know how much that meant to me I'm just going to go through my whole weekend Granted

I've been drinking for the last two and a half months Straight because I've been on the road This is the first nine days off I've had But I roll in there. Wednesday, we play at Tupelo. Came into Jazz Fest. Just fucking, I'm ready to rock. First show is Thursday with the Revivalists.

We have a great time. I had the Cacuzas brothers with me. And when they're with me, I know I'm staying up till 8 a.m. every fucking night and then all my homies turquoise trombone shorty dudes Maurice Brown DJ Williams it's just a big Lyle Davinsky that guy is the sweetest fucking man he was on the show a couple weeks ago. Marcus King came out to sit in. It's the hang.

It realizes all the homies are in the town and we're trying to get some hang time in. And then all of a sudden you turn around and it's nine in the fucking morning. Greg, shout out to Greg from Pigeons. He showed up to our show. It was just crazy. So we had fun, yada, yada. Go to all these late night shows

because the bars don't close till six. So you're drinking and fucking taking, God knows whatever. I was only drinking, luckily. I did some mushrooms, but I was with my parents, so it was kind of weird. I don't want to seem all like fucking like a crazy person, but it was so fun.

And my mom was crying. She wrote our set list out. It was the cutest shit ever. And then Friday rolls in, and I was just so happy the tour was over. It's coming to an end. I'm raging. My mom's like, I want to come to your 4 a.m. set.

So they go to bed early. I'm like, you don't want to go here. This is the first time I think my mom has accepted me as a musician and isn't worried about me. She always thought I was just being a musician to just take drugs and shit and fuck chicks. And she sees how hard we're all working. All these musicians are working their ass off.

Mike Dillon played 27 shows in seven days. These guys are working hard. We're all taking care of each other. We all want to make each other's shows the best shows we can be. This is why we fucking play music. Pass all that other madness and the partying and the traveling. It's this community we're building together. and the traveling.

It's this community we're building together. The Marcus Kings, the Revivalists, the Mike Dylans, the Pigeons, the new and the young guys. Even the Galactic guys. The best thing about the Jazz Fest is the food is unbelievable. Best fair food I've ever had in my fucking life. And you're waiting to get a fucking muffalada and all of a sudden

you see like the guitar player of Galactic waiting in line to get a fucking muff you know like and you just talk to all these people and you realize you know it's like at the end of the day we still are music lovers you know like normally I don't want to go to a fucking festival

you know I want to play festivals all the time as like just a regular person I don't want to go to a fucking festival. I want to play festivals all the time as just a regular person. I don't want to fucking listen to music. But that city recharges you and makes you realize why you're doing this. It's awesome. We had a great time. But back to my story at the fucking Howlin' Wolf at 4 a.m. So my parents show up, and this is the fucking witching

hour. This is when everyone is all fucked up and my parents are sober asking for like a cup of coffee and shit. It was the cutest shit. They're hanging outside of the stage. All the musicians, shout out to all the musicians who like made my parents feel good. I know a lot of them listen to this podcast so thanks guys. Fuck yeah.

Made me feel like I'm less of a maniac and so I guess like So thanks guys. Fuck yeah. Made me feel like I'm less of a maniac. And so I guess like, I guess there's like, they're just selling nitrous balloons just on the streets. Like it was fucking sweet. Like everyone had nitrous balloons. I was worried that they'd run out of nitrous and like, what else were they fucking inhaling?

But it was tight. My, it was like took a couple of caps and then my parents, so we went out and stuff. And then I came back and, uh, I was doing a joke on stage. Like,

yo, someone buy me a balloon. Someone buy me a balloon. All of a sudden my mom heard that and tried to run outside to buy me a balloon, not knowing that it was fucking nitrous or whatever, gnaws. It was the cutest shit ever. And thank God my manager was like, no, no, you don't want to give him some fucking gnaws.

My mom is so sweet and naive and it's just so cool to see that she wants to be part of this rock and roll life. It was amazing time. And then I got to meet Dave Shaw and the Revivalists and really have a really good hang with them. We're not alone.

We're not alone. Ask for help. If you want friends in your scene, if you want to build, God, people are there. It's amazing. It truly is. Jazz Fest was something fucking else Ugh

It was awesome But yeah, tour has been great So many podcast fans It's just been unbelievable You guys are the shit I saw so many podcast fans At Jazz Fest And everyone was coming up to us and saying how we're doing something sweet.

Shout out to all y'all. Thanks for keeping the dream alive. Oh, man, I got off the plane. I just started drinking five picklebacks. I feel like I'm still in Jazz Fest mode. I need to chill out. I only got seven days off or eight days off until I go out again. We're doing like summer camp.

What else am I fucking doing? Little Rock, Springfield. I'm on tour forever, but trying to sell my house in Kansas City. Making a change there. I realized, you know, I always isolate myself. I don't know why.

I think it's like I need time for myself after tours because I'm giving out so much fucking energy to everybody and talking to everyone and make sure everyone gets their time with me because most of these people only get it once a year. But then I go into an empty house and not really have too many friends and I get super depressed.

So I think I'm going to move from Kansas City so I think I'm going to move from Kansas City and I think I'm going to move to Denver or maybe Nashville. I'm going to look into a couple places. I would love to move to New Orleans, but that fucking city will kill me. I literally, I think I stayed up. I think I stayed up. I think I saw this. I think I went to this bar called Checkpoint Charlie's probably every night at 7 a.m. And it's so funny how like every, it's like a festival, you know?

It's like that meme where like Power Rangers guys are looking at the fucking Ninja Turtle guys, you know? And like everyone all of a sudden, everyone shows up to this bar at 7 a.m. All the people you miss, like say one person wanted to go see Marcus and then I went to the Steely Dan tribute with my pops. My pops love Steely Dan.

That was dope as fuck. Shout out to everyone on that show, Lyle and the Motet boys. That was dope as fuck. Man, so many sit-ins. I got to see Krasno. He's looking good. It was just fun.

Jesus was out in full force. That homie was sweating. That fool was having fun, dude. Everyone was working hard, dude. And that's a shout-out to all those musicians out there fucking keeping the dream alive, sitting in with everybody, just being good,

just having each other's backs, man. I love that. We're a fucking family. We're a community. And that's what Jazz Fest taught me. And I'm fucking in. I'm fucking game on this. But ladies and gentlemen,

enough about my ranting, my hungover rant. I woke up this morning like all juiced up, still smiling. I'm in New York City. I was just like, ah, I got to do the podcast. I'm going to do the cold opening. But I got to a few interviews on Jazz Fest. I've just been so busy. Sorry, guys. I took a week off. My brain had to fucking chill out. I've been running and running and running. And I'm just trying to stay alive. So thanks for giving me one week off a month on this podcast. But we got some big ones.

I interviewed Marcus King again, too. He's got some things to say. That was tight. Marcus and I are becoming friends, like close friends. And he's a good fucking friends. And he's a good fucking dude and he's taking off and we just got a good hang in. I got to get closer with all

these guys. Like, you know, we only see each other once a year. Greg from Pigeons just got off fucking Red Rocks and got to hang out with him and give him a hug. Just shout out to all. Thank you guys for coming out to my shows. I fucking love it.

Y'all are sweet. I know you've been working hard. I know you're tired. I know you're sleep deprived. We're all fucking sleep deprived. And thank you. And I love you guys. But furthermore, let's talk about the revivalists.

Dave Shaw. Wow. This guy has a fucking story, story man this guy worked his ass off moved to new orleans some shit went down i won't tell you he did a fucking world saving exclusive never told anyone this story he got me almost crying we were we did a pot a podcast in his jacuzzi or like in his in his like in New Orleans have these like small pools that can be a jacuzzi and can be a pool which are fucking badass and um so we hung out we talked for an hour and I really got to know the guy you know at first I was like you know we've never had a really good relationship it was always like a standoff

thing but i because i was always homies with andrew um and you know it's like i get it like you don't you know it's like when you're like the lead dude in a band and you're talking to everyone all the time you know if you could have that moment of clarity where you don't have to talk to anyone you know it's it's important to keep things. But then I got to hang out with him, and he's such a good guy, really. I was just like, damn, this guy is smart. He really cares about the music scene, and he cares about New Orleans, and he's just a good dude. His wife or his girlfriend is super sweet,

and they just brought me into their family. We went to Jazz Fest together I just felt really cool So thanks guys for making me feel cool And shout out to everyone Who came to our show New fans, revivalist fans You guys are crazy

I got a bunch of ads right after the show And a bunch of comments It normally trinkles in a week later But you guys were on it Literally the hour after the show and a bunch of comments. And, you know, that normally trinkles in a week later, but you guys were on it like literally the hour after the show. And you guys are good fans, and I could tell why the Revivalists really love you guys. And shout out to the Revheads who basically put me in the Revivalists' ear

because you guys were talking about me a bunch. So shout out to all y'all. But furthermore, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you enjoy this interview with David Shaw. Half time is going to be fun and I'll catch you on the tail end. I'll do an intro tag for this as well. So for the people who don't know who David Shaw is and the revivalist on my show, but enjoy the interview and I'll catch you on the tail end. Let's do it.

Alright. Next up on the interview hour we have Mr. David Shaw from the Revivalist. Yeah. These guys are dope. They've been a band since 2007. They all moved to New Orleans. I'm not sure if a couple people

Are from New Orleans proper But I know a lot of them moved from New Orleans In 2007 And they all joined here The man Is a great songwriter You know Wish I Knew You

That song Chris play some revivalist While I'm pimping out David Wish I Knew You Went like multi- Chris, play some Revivalist while I'm pimping out David. Wish I Knew You went multi-fucking platinum. And then their new single, All My Friends, is kicking ass too. He's on top of his shit. He's on top of his game. And for him to be this humble through it all is fucking impressive.

So, ladies and gentlemen, hope you enjoy the interview with David Shaw from Revivalist. All my friends take good care of me They get me high, they're on my side As far as I can see, yeah And we're fucking here. Wow. New Orleans. David Shaw.

In the flesh. In the jacuzzi. At your house. Hell yeah. Bro, let's talk about this. Shaw's Jewish name. in the jacuzzi at your house hell yeah bro let's talk about this Shaw's Jewish name no

but you're not yeah is it really Shaw is totally Jewish wow yeah I was like damn I got tribe

he's got the curly hair I'm like dude that's my fucking tribe master dude yeah I'm my girlfriend's Jewish so I guess

I'm honorary Jew there we go yeah you're like Jew-ish. Yeah, Jew. Oh, my God, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So you grew up in Hamilton. I played your show in Hamilton with all your family and your friends.

Yes, that was amazing. And it felt like they really supported music. What made you take the leap to come to New Orleans? You know, I had just graduated college, and I was thinking about... What school did you go to? Oh, man, I went to three colleges. Things didn't start out too well. We'll talk about that soon.

So I graduated from Ohio State. Oh, cool. With a degree in... Buckeye? Yeah, I'm a Buckeye. No shit. I'm a Buckeye, yep, yep. So I got a degree in construction management slash business management.

And I was like, you know, searching for a was searching for a job after getting out of there. I wanted to pursue music. Were you writing songs in college? Yeah. I started to write when I was 21, 22. I started to sing at that point as well. There were some things going on in my life on the home front as well as internally. What internally?

I was, I think I was just, you know, subconsciously fighting some addiction stuff, you know what I'm saying? Like a mental addiction or like, was it addiction or abuse? Both. Really? Oh, yeah. Like what? Oh, man, I was, you know, I was into cocaine, very into alcohol.

Was that just like college drugs, like party drugs? Or was it like deeper than that? I mean, I think it was, it progressed quickly, I will say. What do you think triggered it? I don't want to say moving to New Orleans, but. Oh, so that's what happened? Yeah, that's kind of what happened, honestly. I moved down here. And, you know, this place is like, this would be like, you know,

I don't know, somebody who loves food moving into McDonald's. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? It's so true. I mean, like, how do you control yourself? Like, when you're young like that, you want to explore the city. And when you explore the city, not only the music and culture, but there's also, you know, drugs all out.

I mean, that's one of the reasons why I love this city. It's got this, you know, this dark underbelly to it. It's like, it's all sunshine, you know. But it's also, it's got some grit, you know. That I, you know, I feel like we all have these two sides, you know? And it's kind of like, I mean, there was somebody who said this famous, it's like a famous quote, there's two wolves, you know, or two, I don't know, something like, something about that.

And it's just like, you gotta, you gotta feed the good one a little more or something, you know? Well, I was feeding the bad one for a little too long. And. So it was just, it was blow. It was blow. And it was, I mean blow it was blow and it was i mean it was mostly i'll say i'll say alcohol yeah abusing it you know it was like three or four drinks and i was like okay now now it's time to go in now it's time to go score you know yeah let's keep

this party did it make you broke or were you just getting it for free because no i wasn't even a musician really i mean i was i was playing you know we're playing i was playing like checkpoint charlie's at the time okay so like you know, we're playing, I was playing like Checkpoint Charlies at the time. Oh, okay. So like, you know, and I was working construction, so. Yeah. So you're working at Checkpoint, so you moved, so what was the intuition to move straight to New Orleans from college?

Like, you just want to be part of the scene? I wanted to go to New York or Nashville or maybe LA. And those were all like, you know, these very businessy, you know, towns, you know, about music. Like suit culture music. Yeah, a little bit, you know, which is, you know, it was all fine and dandy. But like when I came down here to visit, I just realized that this was not a music business city.

This was a music culture city. This was like, you know, this was everything, this was like, you know, the, this was, this was everything I kind of wanted, you know, in, in a place. I didn't want to feel like,

I didn't really feel too much pressure to succeed. Honestly, like New Orleans just has that, like, that's why they call it the big easy. It was really easy to get a gig back in the day. Really? Yeah.

That's why it was called the big easy. That's it. Holy shit. That's, yeah, that's pretty dope. Yeah. So's why it was called the Big Easy? That's it. Holy shit. That's pretty dope. Yeah. So like, you know. You're working construction.

Yeah. You're partying all night. What was, was there like a, some, like a mentor who told you like, listen, like how bad was it?

Was it like benders? Like three day benders? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be just like, do a blow for 72 hours. Oh yeah. I mean, it got there. It got there for sure. And? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'd be just like do and blow for 72 hours. Oh, yeah.

I mean, it got there. It got there for sure. And then I'd do the classic, well, I'm never doing that again. Yeah. And I'd be good for a month. I'd get real strong. I'd be like good. And as soon, you know, it's always like when I'm talking to, let's call it my life coach.

Yeah. It's always like this. It's like, you're, you know, you're constantly going up the mountain, but you're also constantly on the edge of falling, falling off of it. So it's like, you're never, you know, I'm saying it's like, you never have a soft roll down. Yeah. It's like, it's always like, you're just right there. Yeah. So that's, that was like, that was basically, you know, it's always like you're just right there yeah so that's that was like that was basically you know it's kind of it's that's how it is for me i guess especially like yeah i would i would just be sober for a month and then i would just just take a nosedive off that mountain buddy yeah i feel you man yeah it's like but like you move to a city where like you know maybe you you need that in a

sense or like you're on a tightrope you know when you feel comfortable you know like when you're in like a city like in the midwest or like something where it's like all right this you can't go on out on a monday and go see someone till 4 a.m like you know like maybe you needed that in your brain to like kind of like keep you going or i don't know what What do you think? I mean… What's your life coach say about this? You know? How'd you get out of…

Because you don't do blow anymore? No, I don't drink. I don't do blow. So you're completely sober. Not completely sober. I think a lot of people think I'm completely sober. But in full disclosure, I'm not completely sober. But I certainly don't do all the

things that were really really causing problems in my life you know I keep it very chill no alcohol no cocaine you know none of the hard stuff what was the biggest what was the point oh man you know it was a couple and honestly this time that time in my life

was very very foggy so like I feel like a lot of times I mix a couple stories up but I will tell you you know this is like I honestly

have never told anyone this story before well you're in a safe space but so it's like so I was this was one night

this was probably at the end of a three day bender I went into Snake and Jake's yes yeah I was. I went into Snake and Jake's. Yes. Yeah. I was a frequent patron of Snake and Jake's.

So I rolled up in there. That's the late night club? Yep. I rolled up in there about 9 a.m. Okay? That was like prime time for me. 9 a.m.? 9 a.m., buddy.

Shut the fuck up. I swear. I mean, you know, 4 a.m. to 9 a.m. That was the Snake and Snake or Snake and Jake. That was like their prime hours. That's their prime hours as well. The witching hour. Exactly.

Exactly. So what happened? And so, you know, I bought every, I mean, I bought every single person in this bar drinks all night long. I think my bar tab was something like $987 or some shit. Were you making dough or were you just trying to be nice? I was making okay dough

but not like spending $1000 a night buying everybody in the bar tequila shots, you know, dough. I didn't have that kind of dough. What do you think it was? Were you trying to be accepted? I was just drunk and feeling no pain and super high on cocaine. You know, I was just like,

I was like Rick James, bitch. You know what I'm saying? That's exactly how it was. Now, I didn't want the party to end. So I was like, you motherfuckers are coming with me. Let's go. You know, so everybody, you know,

I was, you know, I was like, yeah, I know. I was caught up. Same thing. So it was time to leave it was time to leave and this

this older gentleman he's like he I mean we're all kind of coming out and he's like I know I remember this guy he lived

like two houses down from me and I'm like oh what's up man you know what's up how you doing and he was like

oh I'm good I'm good he's like you need a ride home, man? I'm like, yeah, sure. Cool.

So, he gives me a ride home. I go hang. I'm like hanging with him and his wife and his two kids. What time is this at? This is like 10 a.m.

And you're fucking struggling. I am. High as a kite. I mean, he probably, I don't even, what's he doing in the bar at 9 a.m.? Oh, so he was there, too.

He was there as well. I thought you were walking on the street. Okay, so he was there. So tell me. He was there. So, yes. Okay. And he asked me, he says, hey, man, do you want a beer?

I'm like, sure. Yeah, why the hell not? I mean, I've been drinking for three days. Let's keep it going, you know. At that point, the party was kind mean, I've been drinking for three days. Let's keep it going, you know? At that point, the party was kind of, I was winding down, you know? I'm all out of, you know, the rocket fuel. Yeah. Okay, it's time to do this thing.

Let's chill it out. One more beer to cap it off. Yeah. And I take two sips of that beer. What happened? I don't remember a thing. So this is what happened. I wake up in the paramedics, basically,

in the hands of the paramedics. I'm at my house, okay, with the door wide open. Okay, so this is the craziest shit. This is the craziest shit ever. So Zach, okay, Zach is riding by on his bike. Mind you, me and Zach met. I was on the porch, and he was riding by my house on his bike. Was he a neighbor? He lived like two houses, like two streets over.

Yeah. Like a street over. Your paths were always crosser. Exactly. Exactly. So this is basically from his words. I was passed out on the bed. Door open?

Door open. This dude was trying to like pull my pants off and this is that you see why i've never told anybody this yeah like sexually or i mean i guess so yeah yeah yeah do you think he drugged you yes 100 roofied the shit out of me yeah craziness right keep going keep going yeah so so zach basically walks like literally at the time of like this dude was like trying to get something going zach walks in the house and dude looks at him and just runs out the door yeah yeah holy shit were you playing music with zach yet or he was just no zach was my homie and we were playing well we were playing music yes we were playing music we were in a band we this was like

a year into being what was the band called it was called we had kind of probably just named ourselves the revival okay so this guy was trying to pull down your fucking pants he was trying to he had a wife and shit yeah Yeah, bro. Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck? Did that fuck you up? Nah. Well, see, this is the thing. A, I have no recollection of this.

Like, Zach calls the ambulance, because Zach couldn't wake me up. I was like, Zach basically thought I was dead, you know, basically. They call the ambulance. They come. They, you know, revive me with some. Yeah, with a nose thing. With some sniffer or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I wake up and he's like, dude.

I really don't remember exactly, but he was like, he said I was being like hilarious. So. Oh, my God. That's cool. So you're still kind of fucked up. I am super fucked up. I am super fucked up. Yeah, super fucked up. Like, roofie fucked up, you know?

Oh, my God, Dave. Yeah, dude. And so they get me to the hospital, pump some fluids in me. Hydrate you. You know, they do the, they get the, you know, I tell them, you know, they're like, so this is actually what happened your friend caught this guy like trying to you know get you naked something going and he came in at the just like literally the the time that it was something was about to happen

damn zach and they were like we need to do a rape kit on you you got rape kit yeah yeah what's that until like do they they gotta swab everything swab it all man they swab it all everything everything yeah everything everything so they didn't find anything they didn't find anything thank god yeah thank god oh my god yeah yeah so i was clean there i was like okay i had i had to get you know I had to get tested and everything they're like it's good that you need to get tested

you need all you know like yeah even if they didn't find anything like you never know you could have been doing some weird shit who the hell knows

you tell them they see they saw cocaine in your system oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so they knew you were partying yeah yeah

so so this is the and the craziest part about is, dude, since there was no evidence, they had nothing. Like the police force, like the detective. They couldn't do anything. They were like, dude, you don't even know. You know who this person is, but, like, you have no evidence. Like, you could fight this.

I mean, yeah. You saw this guy afterwards? So, dude, yeah, this is, yeah. I mean, dude, so this is the thing. All one time I saw, yeah, dude, it's crazy. It's crazy, right? I've seen this dude. This dude is a predator, dude. It's crazy. It's crazy, right? I've seen this dude. This dude is a predator.

Honestly, he is a predator. And that's why he was actually at Snake and Jake's at 9 a.m. Just trying to get dudes? I guarantee he's done it. I don't think I'm the only one is what I'm saying. Do you guys, do you see this guy around still? Not, I haven't seen him in years. I mean, seven years.

you see this guy around still not i haven't seen him in years i mean seven years the thing is i for for a while i was like trying to get the you know get the police to get something going like yo like you got to put some severance on this guy this guy has kids like i mean they weren't doing shit they couldn't do a damn thing like the guy the guy got to the point where he wasn't even calling me back yeah what the detective yeah he was't even calling me back. Yeah. What, the detective? Yeah. He was just like. We got other shit to worry about. He was just like, we got other shit to worry about.

You were wasted. Like, you know, it was like that kind of thing. So was that, oh my. And then what about when you saw him like a week after or something? Did you confront him? Dude, honestly. Was that hard to confront? I was just, it was weird, man.

I was at the fly and and I see this guy, and he's just like sitting in his truck, just looking at people, and I'm just like, this is the guy. This is the fucking guy, dude. I mean, it sent fucking shrills up my spine. Holy fuck, Dave. Dude, did that scar you?

Did that fuck you up? Did you talk to a therapist at all or something? No, you know, so this is the thing, man. It's like, it's one of those things that, A, it gave me my sobriety. So in a weird way, I'm like, thank you. You know? Honestly, I'm kind of, because there was not a, it took a train.

It took, you know, me almost getting, let's fucking, for a rate to come to my senses and be like, yo, dude, what are you doing? Yeah, so. And then you had the $900 fucking credit card bill. That would have been a little flick to the nipple. Oh, my God, dude. That's fucked up. Do you write any songs about this? Catching Fireflies.

Oh, my God. Yeah, that was the song that i about this guy yeah holy shit so you got what did zach i mean like what did zach he's the only guy who understands yeah exactly honestly the only like only besides my family he's the only person who knows about oh my god well now everyone's gonna know about it but hey that's no i mean i'm honestly like i look at like songwriting and life and just in general, it's just like, you know, an open book. It did take me a while to be able to actually.

Be vulnerable about it. Yeah, exactly. Just because, you know, like, you know what I'm saying? I mean, it's just, it's one of those things, you know? And I'm sure you didn't think I was going to drop something like this on you today. That's the thing, and it's scary. Yeah. Especially when you don't think I was going to drop something like this on you today. And it's scary. Yeah. Especially when you don't know what's going on.

Like, I feel like, I really feel like it's so fucked up when these people are roofing people. Just to fuck. It's fucking weird, man. I don't get it. What do you think that culture? I mean, like, damn. I think it's some kind of power thing. I think maybe it's like, I think it's, you know, also, I just think it's some kind of power thing i think maybe it's like i think it's you know also i just i just

think it's something it's something in their wiring that they just they can't it's an urge it's a dark it's a dark necessity that is beyond you know anthony ketis's thought of dark necessities you know it's it's some of the darkest necessities that there are. I think it's pure evil. Yeah. Pure evil. It is, man. It's no different than fucking stabbing someone or, you know.

Yeah. That's a real. I mean, emotional scars cut deeper than skin, flesh. Yeah, like, how did you get through that, dude? Like, that's fucked up. Honestly, dude, it's fucking crazy, right? So, like, I mean, this is the thing. I'm thankful that I didn't, I wasn't, I don't have any recollection of any of it.

So, in my mind, it didn't, like, it didn't even happen. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not. Did you suppress it? I know. The thing is, I don't. Remember, because you't even happen. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not. Did you suppress it? I know. The thing is, I don't remember because you're fucked up. Like, literally, the moment that I took the beer, like, it was literally, I mean, I guess five minutes passed.

Because you're pretty conscious walking home. Yeah, yeah. Well, we drove home in his car. Oh, so he was at the bar. So, like, your last call. Last call. And he's like, hey, man, you need a ride home. That was it. That was it. Yeah. Oh, so he was at the bar, so like your last call. Last call, and he's like, hey, man, you need a ride home. That was it.

That was it. Yeah. The door was wide open, man. The door was wide open. Think about if the door wasn't, if it's been closed. Zach wouldn't have known. Exactly. He would have knocked on the door, but he probably wouldn't have come in, you know? Oh, my God.

Yeah, dude. Bro. Crazy shit. What? what so you this is crazy so you you and zach have this special relationship now saying like he kind of fucking saved your life yeah in a lot of ways yeah do you are you guys closer than you've ever been because of these moments i mean i think we have we I think we have a cosmic connection. Is that your guy in the band you feel you're closest with? Are you close with all of them? You know, I'm close with all of them.

But, you know, we're all brothers. And I would say that, yeah. I mean, you know, it's just, yeah. I would say that, you know? Yeah, he's always been there. Yeah, exactly. So when you're starting to clean up and you're going through this thing, so your brain is telling you like, fuck, I don't even remember what I did last night. I have a thousand dollar fucking bill.

I'm at the hospital pumping hydration into me. And this guy tried to fucking rape me. So first moments in your head were like, I'm done. I'm done. I am so so done and was that really done or did you go back a little bit and then never went back man i went to shut up really i went to one i went to one aa meeting would they teach teach you um it was basic all it really was all i really needed to to see was the the cycle that some of these people had been in for years. And it was the same cycle that I had been in for a few years, seven, maybe 10, maybe,

I don't know. Still a long time. Exactly. So I was like, that was my aha moment. Like, holy shit, like I can't be in this cycle because there's no real growth that can occur like inside of me you know if I'm always just constantly getting up to that you know point of where I'm feeling good and then I'm just falling right off the shelf you know yeah that's where I would always constantly get to I'd be like yeah I'm feeling strong yes I'm good it's like self

let's get fucked up yeah like I'm finally feeling good I'm finally feeling good. Let's do this whole thing again because I want to feel better. Yeah. But, like, what is better, you know? We're just, like, we were talking about this with that guy who, the toad licking the drug. Yes. Where it's like, or even psilocybin, like where you rewire your brain to understand what makes you feel better.

What is my good yeah exactly like what is your good then after that honestly it comes and goes i'll tell you and i think that's a that's a thing that you just have to realize i think there's you're just going to have natural ebb and flows of you know i'm feeling good i'm feeling great of, you know, I'm feeling good. I'm feeling great this week. You know, maybe I'm not feeling so great the next week or whatever. You know, I think there's just, we all have these kind of things.

And I think a lot of times people with, you know, addictive personalities or just that thing, whatever that is, you know, or just that thing, whatever that is, you know, I think some of those things may be, some of those pools may be stronger, whether it's, you know, low self-esteem or, you know, I don't know. This gets mislabeled a lot, but like, you know, being bipolar, you know, that whole thing. So I think those kind of people have like more propensity for addiction because they're, you're just naturally also kind of high, low, high, low. So what, can you explain that? Um, misidentifying bipolar?

So I just, I don't know. I think that it, I think that it might get missing, you know, Yeah. Or it goes undiagnosed. And it gets misdiagnosed in something, some other kind of thing. It's kind of like ADD. Yeah. Where people diagnose kids with ADD when they maybe just be hyper.

Maybe just, exactly, exactly. So like. The ups and downs of life. Exactly. They think we're manic. Yeah, exactly. Why do we have to always be happy yeah that's different

but like a lot of people misdiagnose a bad anxiety attack as you know fucking I'm going crazy dude I don't know how to get out of this because yeah for the longest time

I didn't know what the fuck anxiety was. Me either. I didn't even know what it was. It was not a thing in my life. Yeah, me either. And then one day. What was the day? It just came knocking on my door.

What was it? And then it was like, I didn't open it up, and then it was like, pow! I'm coming in. I'm coming in. If you like it or not. What was that moment? Were you on tour or something? It was, you know.

Was you getting busy with your band or what? I think it was just was just yeah i think it was all the things kind of happening at once and you know exactly so it's like it's just all these things and then more pressure comes and then you know then you sign a record deal and then more pressure comes and then you know then you actually got eyes on you and, you know, more pressure comes. So how'd you get through those feelings? Were you, did you talk to someone or did you just tell your brain that this is? Yeah, I started talking with a therapist, a.k.a. life coach. I mean, that's what I, I mean, I'm doing the same thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's healthy to talk to someone about this. Absolutely, 100%. I mean, my girlfriend is going to school to be a therapist, you know. Yeah. She's getting her doctorate in that. And so she's like, she was like the person who was kind of like, David, you know, like, this could really help you. You should just talk to somebody. Oh, so she was the one. She was the one.

Yeah, she kind of like, yeah. This is recent. This is in the last six, seven years that you had your first anxiety attack. I didn't really have, see, this is the thing. It wasn't like an anxiety attack. It was more like a stress exactly it was more of just like generalized like oh yeah oh that's i don't you know why am i sad why am i why am i not feeling this great right now like and then i realized it was like, oh, God, because you're constantly having to go into battle mode. Because who knows?

You could have all these amazing shows when no one's watching. And you're just free in your element. But then once you realize that people have their eyes upon you, it fucks with your head. It fucks with my head a little bit. Do you think there's pressure to always write great things and do great things because people are looking at you? Is that something you battle? I battle that shit. Yeah, there is.

There is. I've done a lot of work. What kind of work? Just on my own mind and just like dealing with that kind of thing and not letting the outside world kind of dictate how I'm going to feel or how I'm going to write or what I'm going to say and that whole thing. But it's, you know, it comes and goes. How important is staying present?

Is that basically what it is, just being present? I feel like that's kind of everything, honestly. Like, if you can stay present, if you can be, I mean, you know, I go in and out. Like, I try to do meditation. I started transcendental meditation like six months ago. I want to try it. So I was going good. I was going good for like four months.

And then I kind of fell off the train just because, honestly, I started feeling really good. It's the same thing. And then I was like, all right, I don't really, I don't think I need, you know. And then you just kind of like stop. You just stop for whatever reason. But I feel like those are the, those that you need to continue to do it. Those that you need to continue to do it. So this conversation actually is probably,

this will be the catalyst for me to begin to meditate again, I think. Just, you know, this, you know, deeper kind of, you know. Talk. Exactly. It is halftime at the Enni Fresco interview hour. Now, a message from the U.N. Don't feel the sun's coming out today. It's staying in.

It's going to find another way. Yeah. As I sit here in this misery, I don't think I'll ever know, Lord. See the sun from here. It knows I've made a way They'll all look at me and say And they'll say, hey, look at him And how he lives these days

That's okay Just afraid of change And one day life ain't worth living You got to stand up Take a look around Look up way to the sky and when your deepest thoughts are broken keep on dreaming but it's when you stop dreaming it's time to die Knows I fade away

They'll all look at me and say Look at him and how he lives these days Life is hard No, you've got to change. Life is hard. You have to change. Four years ago, what was the record that got you? Men Amongst Mountains. And you wrote a lot of that during this form of anxiety?

Some of it was written a little before that. Some of it was written in the meat of it. So yes. Yes. A lot of my writing is past and present mixed together. Explain that.

I like to, like some songs, like I like to, it's a bit like, sometimes they're a bit of a patchwork quilt. Yeah. If you will, you know,

it's like, it's like they, It's like if a song doesn't come as one succinct idea, a lot of times I'm constantly just writing down these thoughts. This is the thing or someone said this thing and it spurred this thought in my mind of, oh, that could be like a song idea. I'll just write, I'll write it down. I'll write like a little, I don't know, like a little poem. Yeah.

I guess, you know. That's where you start. Exactly. Just like a little thing. It could be four lines, you know, just whatever, you know. And then I'll, and then I'll have, you know and then I'll and then I'll have you know

then I'll say I'll go I'll be you know I'll just be sitting down at the guitar and I'll start humming a melody

yeah and maybe some words will come out and I'll be like oh well okay that that matches up

with this sentiment or this feeling oh so you'll go back to your poems I'll go back exactly oh that's a smart way to do it so you'll go back to your poems. I'll go back. Exactly. Oh, that's a smart way to do it. So you're just collecting your thoughts.

I'm just constantly collecting. It's like this, like, in my mind, it's like this, like, wheel of, you know. Oh, that's a great way to think about it. Well, it's because it's like, it makes me not feel pressure, I feel like. It's one of the ways that I don't have to feel pressure. It's like, get this song done now. It's no like just get the get a get a little idea out and i'm i feel like i'm kind of constantly writing did you teach yourself that i don't know anyone

no that's just i think that's just the way that it naturally kind of just flows it is for me yeah who was your inspiration as songwriters? Oh, man. Bill Withers. Yeah. Tom Petty. Yeah. Lyrics, they're real.

Yeah, just straightforward. Tom Petty had a really cool way of just like, you know, taking like common, you know, talk, just pedestrian, just this like a pedestrian way of just like putting conversation into his songs, which was really, really cool. And just felt just, you know, it just feels natural. I mean, just the dude is just a hit making machine, but it doesn't feel like that. And that's the hardest thing.

It feels like it's your buddy. Exactly. That's the hardest thing there is, you know, like is to just make those kinds of songs, but to not be like, to have them revered by you know the you know i mean this guy was a fucking traveling wilbury yeah you know you're not you're not a traveling wilbury unless you're on that level kind of cool you know status and songwriting ability yeah you know like seriously they were the they were like that's they're all the goats. Yeah, they are the goats. They are.

Man, my entertainment lawyer used to represent the Traveling Wilburys. Really? Back in the day, so I got to read all their old contracts and stuff. Wow. Just to see how the music industry worked in the 70s and stuff, and how there's million-dollar record deals, because there are so big celebrities. Yeah, each one of those guys, guys are the biggest in the game. They're the biggest in the game.

So like they had to really you know like it's like take the ego out and like write songs together or was it like is that hard for you? Do you co-collaborate with your band or do you throw you say this is the idea boys let's start

let's start laying it out. It's, it's, there's some of that. A lot of times I'll, you know, I'll have a song that's, you know, basically just, you know, the chords and the words and the melody, you know, and then, you know, I'll be like, oh, this, maybe this beat will be, this beat will be good for this tune or, or whatever. But yeah, a lot of the tunes just

like come as a song on the acoustic guitar and then people do their thing or they come just like you know drums bass everything you know kind of done and then people like interpret that you know which because it's like i don't play the bass so like i can't play bass like george can play the bass you know it's like i. I can do my little interpretation. It's all different ingredients to make the cake. Some guy has to be the flour. Yeah, exactly. It's the same thing.

I'm not the greatest soloist. I'm a horrible soloist. But my job in the band is to connect the fans with the band. We're the glue, you know? I think we're the same in that way. I see your show and how you connect and how your fans, I mean, you are the glue that gets,

like, I think of it like the fans of the six man in a basketball team. You know, they're just, they're so important. So important. To keep our livelihood, you know? And, like, there's gotta be pressure to, like, oh, I mean, that's what I'm, I mean, you guys got They're so important to keep our livelihood. There's got to be pressure. You guys got bigger earlier. I'm just starting to see the other side of the hill. I feel like you got a fire.

You got a fire going right now. Yeah, but it's about maintaining it. You just got to feed it in the right way.'s that's really that's what i'm saying like you had a great record and like how hard was that sophomore record was there pressure like everyone says like sophomore record that's like the fucking thing like i feel like that would give me anxiety thing like oh fuck i gotta make something so that's the thing there's like there's that you know i think you're always gonna have that but the thing is like i that. I think you're always going to have that. But the thing is, I didn't really feel too much of that pressure

because we had already built up our live following so much. So it was like we weren't really making a ton of money off record sales anyway. I mean, Wish I Knew You went platinum. So that was like, what the hell? Did anyone have a feeling that that was going to go? I got the, I'll just say when I got the first mix of it, I was in New York City. Was Ben the producer on that? Ben was the producer. Yeah.

Ben from Galactic was the producer. Yep. And we had this guy Count who mixes all their stuff, mix it. Got the first mix back. I was in Soho walking around at the time and I just happened to have my headphones on me. I put it in and I got the chills. Yeah, I feel that.

You know what I'm saying? I was like, oh my God. This might be it. Yeah. Some of the things you don't want to like speak too highly. You speak too high of the things you don't want to like... Jinx yourself. You don't want to speak too highly. You know, you speak too high of it. Or just like, you know, you don't want to...

Exactly. You don't want to jinx yourself. You don't... You know. So I was like... And feel like you're like being condescending. Or like just being like... Exactly.

But I did. I had a strong feeling. And, you know, we didn't push it out as the first single. It was the second single, which I think was actually really smart. Yeah. So... Was that your call? No, it was the label's call actually great i and so yeah it was actually it was it was it was it was a very smart call actually in retrospect so we you start building the momentum you start building momentum then you throw the banger out exactly the snowball happens exactly it was exactly.

Wow. Yeah. So what about, oh God, I got so many questions. So, okay, what's first off, what, you know, did you have, what was your like background, not background, but what was like family life when you were a kid growing up to make you want to just travel all the time? Did you guys, did you have a good relationship with your mom and dad? Yeah. I had a great relationship with mom

and dad, for sure. So what made you want to travel 200 days a year? Damn, yeah. You know, I mean, dude, it's just really fun. I mean, it's just really fun, honestly. You like seeing the world? It's like, when we first started, you know, it's like, everything

is just so new. No, I don't think so. You know, I think it was just one of it's like, everything is just so new. No, I don't think so. You know, it's, I think it was just one of those like, dude, and this is just straight up fun. And like, if I'm at home, it's like, what am I doing at home? Like now it's like when we come off tour, it's like the first three or four days. Honestly, the first week is just so weird. Yeah. At home. Do you get anxiety?

Yes, absolutely. Me too. I'm Do you get anxiety? Yes, absolutely. Me too. I'm just like, why? God, okay. Why am I feeling like this? This is weird. And it's just, you know, I have to come to terms with it and just be okay. Like, honestly, it's funny.

I saw this thing on John Mayer's Instagram, like, I don't even know, a month ago or something, he had just gotten off tour in New Zealand and he was cutting up these pieces of paper or something in the shape of numbers. And I don't know if this was a joke, but it resonated with me. He was like, I guess people were asking, he was doing this for a day,

a day and a half. And he's like, I guess people were asking him if he was okay. He's like a day and a half and he's like people were I guess people were asking him if he was okay he's like are you alright like you good what's going on like why you what are you doing he was he responded he was like I have to reset my reward centers

because I've been out playing for 20,000 people 20,000 people going woohoo yeah we love you John that is one I mean that's there's no high like that you know there's not a single agree you know so it's like

when you go home to nothing you know like it's just like you've been doing a drug for for that period of time because your brain is getting something from that and it's squirting the dopamine out exactly so you have to slowly time. Because your brain is getting something from that and it's squirting the dopamine out. Exactly. So you have to

slowly reintroduce things into your life I feel like that make you feel good in a normal Yeah, like carrots for a salad. Yeah, just do these things that are just like pedestrian, just normal things in

life that are peaceful and just nice. What's important to you off-road? Health. That's really where I go when I get off-road. Do you sleep deprived when you're on the road? Yes. I do not sleep well on the bus. Why not?

For some reason, when it's moving, my brain is just like... Still moving, my brain is still going. Luckily, I'm not in a bunk anymore. It's a little better now. But for three years there, it was... You couldn't sleep? Oh, my God, dude. And you're sober.

I had, dude, I'm telling you. That's crazy. I think that's honestly one of the main issues. It was sleep deprivation. Yeah. How important is that? It caused my brain to be like, you know, it just started shutting down. Yeah.

It was like, yo, dude. You need to chill out. You need to chill, homie. So did the transcendental meditation help with the sleeping? Yeah. You could kind of sleep in that 10 minute of meditation. Yeah, exactly.

Honestly, it was just one of those things where it was like slowly but surely I got better at you know. Being a human? Yeah, exactly. I'm still, I mean, I'm still like trying, I'm still figuring it out for sure.

No, it's so true. Me too. I mean, like I've been on the road 250 shows a year for 14 years straight. That's insane, bro. I think I'm running from something. I really do. But I don't know what it is.

I've never had a girlfriend before. I've never had a committed. The only thing I've committed to is this band. I heard you had girlfriends on the road and stuff. You've always had a relationship, right? Most of the time. There was a time there right when I got sober that I was, you know. Oh, yeah.

I was out there. Yeah. That's okay. That's healthy too. It was very healthy. It needed to happen. Yeah. So, like, you have to release that energy there. Yeah. That's okay. That's healthy too. It was very healthy. You know, it needed to happen. Yeah. Yeah.

So like you have to release that energy somehow. Exactly. You know, it's like, especially when you get addicted to something, you have to release that injury somewhere else. Yep. Yep. Did you, do you have a lot of songs about addiction? Um, yeah, it's always kind of in there a little bit. You know, I think it's just like, it's a thread that's like, you know,

woven through most of my life. So, and it's always there. Even when you were a kid? What were you addicted to when you were a kid? Man, I'll tell you. You know, it's one of those things where it's, you know, I'm 13, 12, 13, and me and all my buddies, we were all skater kids. Yeah.

Oh, that's what you did? Yeah. And so we, you know, it was, you know, we were the, I was the first, I think I might have been one of the first, I don't know if this is true, but in, you know, thinking back on it, I don't really remember any of us drinking before somebody, somebody just brought a bottle of vodka out and I was the one who grabbed it and just smashed it. You're like 13. You're not super young.

That's pretty normal. I feel like that's pretty normal. 13, 15, yeah. Yeah, that's kind of the time. Especially the Midwest. Everyone started drinking a little earlier. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

You're from LA? I grew up in LA. I didn't start smoking weed until I was 20. Now I'm a fucking huge pothead. Hey, man. It happens to each its own. I was with f***ing girls. I had sex with f***ing girls in high school.

I was really addicted to women. Holy shit. Yeah, that was like my way of releasing this energy. Yeah, seriously. Damn. And I had sex with my teacher. What? Yeah, in high school.

And I was just addicted to sex. Were you just like the god amongst your dude friends? I've been the same height since middle school. I grew up a little faster. My sisters are eight years older than me. So I was just like, just pimping my sister's friends. So you were the guy that hit puberty in sixth grade. And let's roll, you know?

I was this guy who hit puberty sophomore year. Really? Yeah. Oh, no shit. So you're just like a little dude? I was, dude, I didn't. Because you're tall. Yeah, I didn't, you know, it's weird.

I had a growth spurt in college. I was like 5'10", 5'11", up until college, and then I grew like four inches. Yeah. Wow. Weird. Some people grow quicker than others, but I think we all have these, yeah, it's all in us.

I don't know if it's, were you taking prescription pills when you were a kid? Did you get subscribed? No. No ADD things. I mean, I got… You know, the thing is I got diagnosed that just because I was pretty hyperactive. Actually, it wasn't really hyperactivity. It was more attention.

My attention was just terrible. Hence why you're traveling, maybe. Yeah. It was just not good with anyone. And so my mom, at a certain point, it was just like, yeah. What about in relationships? Were you kind of just being in one and not paying attention? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think I've gotten better, for sure, as I've gotten older. I don't know, but I got diagnosed with ADD. Didn't want to take anything, though, because I know I have a propensity to abuse things. Same here. I mean, yeah, Adderall's just speed.

Oh, it totally is. 100%. Why do you think they put kids on that shit? You know, that's strange to me because you know, this is the thing. I think A, like a proper dose can be good but B,

I don't think these, I don't think the doctors know really how much to prescribe i think all the time most of the time it's too much you know and then also it's like it's not you know everybody's not the same i think there's about i don't know this is just i'm just throwing a random number about that but i think no fact checking on this. Exactly. I think there's a small percentage of the kids where it actually really actually works how it's supposed to work and how they say it works.

Yeah. It can be a bit of a thing that really... But I think... Like 3%. I think it's a really small percentage, honestly. I agree, man. I agree. But it's like, we're just prepping our kids to be addicted to shit, I think it's a really small percentage, honestly. I agree, man. I agree. But it's like, we're just prepping our kids to be addicted to shit, I think.

Or like, or not like, it's like the same thing going back to anxiety. Like, when people have bad thoughts, let's take a pill. Let's take a Xanax. You know, instead of like saying, what's triggering my anxiety? Who is triggering it? What is it? Am I working too much? Am I thinking about the future?

Or maybe I regret the past. Like, I do that a lot, right? I start thinking about all the things I did in high school. And I'm like, I'm 30 plus years. I'm 31 years old. Like, it's... Why am I still thinking about things 17 years ago? We should just let things go.

Just let it go. Yeah, let it go. But that's how we are. Do you think that's how we write songs? Do you think that's... I think that's a bit of the thing. Yeah, for sure go. But that's how we are. I think that's a bit of the thing. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Man. What's like the most, like you still, when a song that you wrote that's just like, I still feel that. Oh my gosh. Any older songs that you still just, still have feelings like, it still brings you back to where it was?

Yeah, there's certain songs that I can't, it's just like weird for me to do. Like which ones? There's a song, Two-Ton Wrecking Ball. Why? Because it was just such a real feeling, and it was a really hard time in my life.

What happened? You didn't exploit it? There's some things I can't really talk about just because they involve other people. But it was just something you didn't like to do it's just yeah it's just like yeah how is it recording

a song like that where it's like man I don't want I think I was so I have to get these feelings out yeah how do you do that I think I was so

inside of it at that point that I didn't even really yeah honestly it's one of those things where I really, really, truly believe. I truly believe that it was my soul

or subconscious speaking because that was a tune that came out just like in a session I was just doing with myself in the kitchen. It just came out. It just... A large portion of it

so like oh so like your brain it's like the same thing with that poem thing but it's just like you know I'm in a free flowing state you know just like riding on these like three or four chords and

not just being completely uninhibited you know not thinking about spiritual vomit yeah exactly exactly that's really what and it's like it's it's it's weird for me to do it just because and you know it's like one of those ones that like people are like why don't you play kind of honestly always asking for and i'm just like oh shit you know it's like why don't you play? Honestly, always asking for it. I'm just like, oh, shit. I don't want to be that person who's like, I'm not playing that song. But it's also just like, I know, man.

It's tough, dude. We are making our vulnerabilities public. Yeah. I mean, it's really an open diary. Yeah, exactly. Our life is an open diary. exactly so our life is an open diary everything we do now we have to social media has to be show our backstage we have to show people that we're actually human yeah you know it's it's it's just a hard game now with the whole social

media and stuff and uh yeah like i think that causes anxiety too because there's no point in our lives right now where we could just really have a break and disconnect and like truly disconnect without like saying like oh I'm oh this is a really cool moment let me get yeah let me social media this thing because we have to because we're always thinking about our businesses

exactly yeah it's tough man yeah I fucking get it I have to yeah I have I really have to just go away sometimes. Where do you go? I just put my phone down. I just, you know, I'm rarely on Facebook these days, I will say. That was kind of like giving me some kind of feelings.

I was just like, I don't know about this. Same here, dude. Like, what do you think it is? Do you think we're judging our lives with all these? Yeah, I don't know, man. Exactly. It's just like, I don't want to, you know, it's like, what am I getting from this? Am I getting some kind of like dopamine squirt every time I see somebody like say something positive about me, which is cool.

And I truly am grateful for every bit of that because, I mean, that's our business. That's what it is. And I'm so thankful that people love our music and love me as a person. But it's got to be deeper than that. Yeah, exactly. But it's like I feel like I kind of needed to... I don't think it's also normal

for people to see that stuff all the time. I don't know. I agree, man. I mean, because we see the good, but we also see the bad. Yeah. And that gives me anxiety as fuck.

Oh my God. You could have a hundred positive comments. It's so true, dude. And then one person fucking just hated. Shits on your face. Yeah, dude.

And you're just like, your day is wrecked. That's what it is, dude. Honestly, I look for the fucking one bad comment. Exactly. That's, it is, dude. Honestly, I look for the fucking one bad comment. Yeah, exactly. Why is that?

Why do you think that? Do you think we want to be? This is the frontman thing, I think. I don't know, man. Do you want to be accepted by everybody? I think, yeah. I think that's a thing. Yeah.

You know, there's a difference. This is what it is. I watched some kind of thing that was on Netflix. This lady was talking. I forget her name. Brynn what it is. And I watched some kind of thing that on, it was on Netflix. This lady was talking, I forget her name, Brynn something or other, Brynn Brenner or something. She had one of the most watched podcasts, but she was talking about acceptance and belonging and how they're different. And it's like belonging, you don't have to change who you are, be anything. You just do, are there. You just belong.

And acceptance is different. It's like, you know, you've kind of done certain things to be accepted. And I think that that was a really like, when I heard that, I was kind of just like, whoa, okay, like, what are the things that I just belong to? Yeah. And what are the things that I've kind of like been accepted into? Yeah. What are they? I don't know.

I'm still pondering that question, honestly. Me too. Yeah. So I was like, that was kind of a little bit of like a, whoa, holy shit. What's the dream for you, Dave? The dream. Man. That's a tough one.

Because I think it's really just to wake up every day with a peace of mind. And just really, truly have, have that, you know, have that good feeling across the board, you know, that possible. Yeah. I mean, I really do.

I think it's possible. I think certain things, you know, and I, I also think that it's like we as just humans are, you know, we, it's just like,

you know, it's like you get to a certain point and then you, and you just raise the bar, you know? it's just like you know it's like you get to a certain point and then you just raise the bar you know so it's like trying to become okay with that thing that is just constantly in our lives i think or you know it's certainly a thread in my life you know but yeah you know i used to just think like oh man if you if you have a house, if you have a nice car, you have this thing. If you have these things, you'll be good. Now you have these things. Are you good? You know, I'm getting better. I'll say that much.

It's funny how it's like this American dream. It's like everyone, this is the same thing with the Facebook. It's like this American dream. It's like everyone, this is the same thing with the Facebook. Like we look at all these other people and like with their kids and their dogs and their picket fence. And we're on the road doing, you know, can't sleep in a fucking bus. And we always wanted a tour bus. That was the cruelest joke of all. I will tell you, man.

That's heartbreaking to me, bro. It's like you grow up fucking. Oh my God, I want to get a bus. I'm tell you, man. That's heartbreaking to me, bro. You grow up fucking... Oh my God, I want to get in the bus. I'm going to get in the bus. Get a tour bus. As soon as you get in that motherfucker. Oh my God, get me out of this thing. Dude, that's what it...

I think it's expectations will kill a man. When we expect things, when things just come gradually, you probably... I don't know. this is my first time really getting to know you. It's fucking awesome. I think we're going to be homies for a long time. Absolutely, homies. But in the beginning of our careers, you're like,

oh, we're going to get bigger early in our careers. And it never happens that way. And the minute that we stop thinking about it we get it happens yeah and that's the thing about expectations and that's the thing about i agree with you about just waking up and realizing just being just being okay with you know just being okay you know just like because you're doing a really good job man i'm proud of you hell yeah and you're like you have a really strong chemistry with your band everyone's super nice and super sweet oh yeah they are um they're all sweet they're all sweethearts one last question and then we'll go to jazz fest um by the way thank

you for absolutely man thanks for having me on this for you a couple times now it just means so much you guys knocked it out the park it was dope man i just I look up to you guys and like I said Andrew is fucking man he's like my therapist dude Andrew Andrew he's the man Andrew's got a way man for sure

if you could tell yourself you know young Dave any advice when you're going through these fucking benders and you're going through

these things what would be the and while you're like he's you know the dream of being a musician. Now that you're here at this point in your life, what, what would you tell yourself if you could be the guidance counselor to you?

Young Dave Shaw, you know, the, I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is to not be so hard on myself and just trust the journey. What were you being hard about? I think,

you know, I mean, every time I'd go out and get wrecked, you know that the next morning i'd wake up and i just feel like anxiety shit about myself you know i just be like damn what are you doing dude like like you know you have the body of an athlete like you're what are you doing to this you know vessel that you were gifted with like why are you tearing yourself down

constantly yeah so that I think but you know the thing is it's like well are you tearing yourself

mentally too I think so yeah I mean hell yeah shit yeah I mean that's a big that was a big part of the process I think and that was also it was a vicious cycle

yeah saying so your brain finally feels good now let's fuck up our body exactly so take it so slow it down

but I will say like that was you know that I you know it's like also it's like I was just kind of

you know having fun too you know what I'm saying so like I wished I hadn't been so you know hard on myself in some of those lower moments

yeah you know yeah because I think that also just kind of fed more of the addiction yeah I wished I hadn't been so hard on myself in some of those lower moments. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Because I think that also just kind of fed more of the addiction. Yeah. If I just didn't feel so heavy about my partying. Were you insecure about yourself?

Yeah. I mean, yeah. I think so a little bit. Yeah. You know? Because I was never the guy. I was always the rhythm guitar player. Never the lead guy. Never the lead guy.

Never the lead guy. Ever. No. Not even close, dude. No shit. I was always just the rhythm guitar player. Then I started writing songs and realizing. I did not know that.

Wow. That I had, you know. So who was singing? Just, you know, I was always in different bands with singers. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. Did you have angst? Not angst but was the idea

to always, I want to front a band No Just want to play music I just started writing songs Then I did this radio contest I didn't even get in. I didn't get in it.

I didn't even make the cut the first year. I like wanted to do this. I heard you auditioned for Mickey Mouse Club too. I did. Who out beat you? Justin Timberlake. Shut the fuck up. Son of a bitch.

Fuck, fuck you Justin. Wow. You were in that years? I think so. Yeah. And like Britney and all that. That was the same,

that was the same heat. So you were singing, you were singing young. You know, no, that's the thing. I was just, yeah. And like Britney and all those. Yeah, that was the same heat. So you were singing young? You know, no. That's the thing. I was just, I always, I did always want to be an entertainer. You know, like when I was like three or four, you know, I'd run around the house with my little Hot Licks guitar.

That was just like press button guitar, you know. It was just like, I was an A, you know. Screaming, I want to be Bon Jovi. you're bored of being an entertainer bro and that's funny because you're only a fucking rhythm guitar player for half the musical career career yeah wow yeah you didn't care you didn't have this angst like i want to be this lead you just let it ride i was cool yeah i mean i think i was just cool with you know being there and just i i just really truly like you know listening to music yeah i was like glutton for volume yeah you know i just like the music loud i just like to hear music you know so i was like any way i could just be there involved in that, I was like, I'm cool with this.

It's official. You're a good fucking dude, dude. We're all fighting demons. You are too. I'm always a phone call away too, bud. Hell yeah. Dude, this is crazy. All right, I got one last question.

You do sports or anything? Were you growing up in sports? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was big into sports. Like what? Yeah, basketball. Yeah, you played basketball in high school?

I played basketball up until ninth grade. Okay. And then I was just more, I was more into the band thing. I was more into the, you know, smoking pot thing. And it just kind of dwindled. So you know kind of like the idea of basketball, right? Oh, I mean, I love basketball. So if you could make a team of musicians,

and it has to be the... Let's not think about your band right now. Let's think about just... Totally. Dead or alive musicians, they have to be the power forward, the center, the small forward,

shooting guard, and then you have to be in that band too. Who would be the musicians if you... All right. But you have to think of them like the drummers. Yeah. Who do you think? Who would be the drummer?

Who would be the drummer? I would say...? who would be the drummer? who would be the drummer? I would say or who would be the center? sorry okay I got you it's tough like out of the New Orleans guys like all the guys you've played with

you know let's go with the bass player from New Master Sounds I don't know his name sorry Orleans guys like all the guys you've played with you know let's go with the bass player from um New Master Sounds I don't know his name yeah I don't know his name I know but um he's badass I mean he's really tall and he looks like he's got a good a good build for basketball what about who's your favorite drummer out here in the in uh in New Orleans in New Orleans yeah besides your band yeah um I mean you. I mean, shit, you know? I mean, Stanton's amazing. Didn't you sing a lot with him?

Did that help your career when you guys, when you were singing with Glavine? Oh, dude, that really, that honestly taught, like, that really taught me to be a front man, honestly. Because before that, I was mostly just, I was hiding behind the guitar. Yeah, yeah. You know? You go back to the guitars on your set a couple times, which I like. Yeah, I like playing the guitar.

It's a nice, I feel like it's also, it's just like a nice break for myself and the audience. It's like, because I feel like if you're constantly, if I'm constantly just like in their face, on the end of the thrust, doing the thing, it's like, I look at shows as like you know they need peaks and valleys like everyone needs a break everyone needs a moment of reflection you need that like because then that just makes the high points seem even higher

and the low points you know they have their clarity and they need that kind of they need that like chill vibe and I just learned I learned that you know over you know I'm sure you years of being on the stage you know how to do

you know what I'm saying just that ebb and flow do you think you've written your opus? yeah I don't think I've written my best song yet because

I'm still learning yeah and I think that you know I wrote a lot of stuff when I was younger and a lot, you know, and I'm still writing a lot of stuff now. And it's really just like, I feel like there's going to be, you know, you know, when I have kids, I feel like that's going to like spark a whole new, you know, songwriting path for myself. Yeah. So like, I'm looking forward to that, You know, I think that'll be cool.

So like, the next chapter. Yeah. I just think that's like, you think that's all life's about when you write? When you like, there's no finish line.

Yeah. You know, I was like, I would, I definitely do want to, you know, I would love to be one of those writers who are just,

you know, prolific and just constantly, you know, coming up with new, you know, material and fresh stuff, you know, fresh up with new, you know, material and fresh stuff, you know, fresh ideas. Well, technically, you are. Don't give yourself the benefit of the doubt, man. You write these poems, like you said, these little things every day. Any writer does that,

too. So, give yourself a little more credit. Yeah. So, I think that, you know, I think also, it's like, you know, it's funny. I used to, like, when I started writing, you know, I think also it's like, you know, it's funny. I used to, like when I started writing, you know, doing some writing for other people, there was a time when I was like, I don't know if I want to give this song to this person. Yeah. These guys, because, well, what if another one doesn't come or something like that? I had to get over that. The fear of it's going to stop. Because it's like that, that thought is what stops you you know i'm saying that that's that's the

that's the actual thing that gets in the way of your creativity it's not you giving a song to somebody that was good yeah it's you thinking man this is i should i should hold on to this yeah you know because it's like the same thing with us touring. It's like, oh, I can't stop. We have such good momentum right now. But maybe, you know, it's like there's no finish line. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there really isn't.

I mean, I feel like, yeah, it's just living, being happy. That's the finish line. That's the finish line. That's the finish line. I agree. Just living how you want to live, not letting your booking agent and your managers push you into things that you're not comfortable doing. Not to say that mine do that at all, but I'm just saying. Just in general. Just in general, because shit, they'll book you until the cows come home if you don't say hey i need a

break i can't do this you know i'm saying because they don't know like they need communication too so yeah well i look forward to jogging this life with you buddy yeah brother it's gonna be a fun ride and i can't wait to watch you and to support you guys and same man super proud of you guys and just keep up the good work. Thanks for being on the show, Dave. Let's do it again, yeah? Absolutely. We're going to play some more shows together.

We're going to just take over this show. We're going to do it. We're going to do it. Dave, thanks for being on the show, bud. Absolutely. Hey, Andy. This is Marcus at the Howlin' Wolf. I just got an email from your manager.

He said you're going to have 30 dudes on stage with you playing? This is your fucking way of getting people on the goddamn guest list. I'm going to be pissed, man. Every single one of these dudes better have a goddamn instrument in their hands the whole show. I'm talking about a fucking tambourine or maraca or a goddamn triangle. Stop being a cheap fuck and make these dudes buy some goddamn tickets. Alright man, I'm excited for the show. Happy Jazz Fest.

Wow. What a fucking episode. Didn't that shit almost make you cry? The homie almost got raped. He got roofied. That shit is nuts. And he pulled through and still fought with courage and fucking wrote a multi-platinum hit after hit.

Respect, Dave. You're a good dude. I'm always a phone call away. I know we don't get to see each other a lot, but I'm going to keep up with you. You're a good dude, and thanks for coming to my show. Thanks for coming to both shows. You came to the 4 a.m. show,

and then he rolled in to our headline show Sunday at the Maison and then jumped on stage. And fuck yeah, that was dope. So thank you. But that's it, guys. Thanks for coming. New fans, subscribe to the podcast and make a post on the podcast or on Apple and stuff

so we could stay in the top 100. We're building fans and fans, new fans, new fans every day, and it's just super cool. But I'll leave you this, you know, ask for help. Don't suppress your feelings. I talk about this all the time. You know, if you are holding all that shit in too long, it becomes poison and it eventually just stays in your body and just stays in your gut. And you'll always have that suppression. So let people know how you feel.

If you need to talk to someone, talk to a life coach, talk to a therapist, whatever. We're all talking to people. Don't be scared to talk to people. Save the money and get a therapist if you need it. Mental health is important. Don't burn out. I talk to a lot of bands out there

who are up and coming and stuff and who are fighting this good fight. Don't burn out. Take care of each other. We're all fucking tired. We're all sleep deprived. We're all fighting for the same thing, and that is to spread good to the world

through our music. So keep fighting, guys. I love you. And Arno, take us off with something nice, sweet, proper, so I can go to bed for the next seven days. All right, see you next week. Well, thank you for listening to episode 45 of Andy Fresco's World Saving Podcast. Produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Angelow and Chris Lawrence.

Please subscribe and rate the show on iTunes and Spotify so we can make this a worldwide phenomenon. For more info on the show, please head to Instagram at worldsavingpodcast. For more info on the blog and tour dates, head to andyfresco.com. Our latest album, Change of Pace. Go listen to it and tell us what you think. This week's guest is David Shaw from The Revivalists. Find them on therevivalists.com. Special co-host for this week? There was no special co-host. Please

pay attention. You should have known by now. Okay, life has had a change of pace now. We just finished a five-week tour. Plenty of highlights. You know if you were there. And now Andy is writing new songs in New York. I have returned to the Netherlands, Ernie enjoys the company of his lady friend, Andy Avila is jamming the hell out of his all-family, all-star band, and Sean... Well, Sean is getting ready for more commitment. After swearing allegiance to his guitar

and to this band, he is about to fall on his knee for Toby. All good things come in threes, like a waltz, wise man, handsome, and a threesome. Well, so there you go. Ultimate happiness just around the bend. I love you guys.

You know how to party shred that fucking wedding. All of you, be crazy. See you on the other side when we make it through.