Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 48: Spafford

Episode Date: June 11, 2019

This week brings the return of the elusive "Yeti" fresh from the wilds of the Pacific Northwest. Andy and his former co-host squash some beef and achieve closure. And on the interview hour, Andy chats it up with the band, Spafford! They talk about the journey, the fans, and fighting for Steve Kimock to get paid. We close the show out with a tribute to our pal, Yeti, and Andy recaps an hallucinogenic snorkeling adventure. RIP Dr John. This is Episode 48. Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. Keep up with our buddies, Spafford at www.spafford.net Check out Andy's new album, "Change Of Pace" on iTunes and Spotify Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Ahri Findling Yeti   Floyd Kellogg Arno Bakker 

Hey Andy, it's Yeti. Hey, thanks for getting me on the show this week. I'm really glad we were able to get some closure. I know that we kind of left some things unanswered for all of our listeners, and it seems like we really were able to get some places. But they can understand what's going on, that everybody's alive, nobody died yet. Just kidding. I love you. Thanks for having me. Talk to you soon. Yo Andy, what the fuck's going on with

the eddie man i thought you like guys made up and you have some fucking closure like i told you you could stay in my house for two days it's been two weeks the guy's an insane person he's crying like every fucking 10 minutes he's singing dashboard confessionals this guy is unstable get him out of my fucking house get Get him a job. I'm going to kick, my wife is going to leave me if I don't get this guy out of my house in the next 24 hours. Please, dude. He's trying to have sex with me and my wife, okay? Get him out.

All right, here we are, back again. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm in Boise, Idaho today, and I was loading my stuff. I wasn't really loading, I was just watching them load. And look in the corner of my eye, and I see Yeti. So here we are in our van. What's up, party people? I haven't talked to you since the breakup.

We haven't talked since. We exchanged a text message on Thanksgiving. Oh, I was going to read them. We should read them. Oh, my God. They're so childish. You exchanged a. Oh, shit.

You also did. I sent you a message on Instagram last week. April Fool's thing, too. Oh, I did post that I'm sorry Andy Frasco Fuck you I thought it was funny Yeah it was real funny

We hadn't talked though So if we had talked it probably would have been better I wished you happy Thanksgiving You said fuck you Same difference I said fuck toy You meant to say fuck you. Same difference. I said, fuck toy. Fuck toy. You meant to say, fuck you. Same difference. What's all this up with all this angst? What, what that was? Oh my God.

What'd I do to you? You called me on my bullshit. Number one, like that's, we, we got into an argument about what we were doing with the podcast. And, um, I, and you were like, Hey, were doing with the podcast and um i and you were like hey let's do this for real dude come on and i just was like no i don't want to or i was also like i don't know it's like one of those things like you think your opinion is the right opinion yeah and then you're like there's camping on there sorry um and then you realize like wait um i was just uh coming out of a place of fear and anxiety Which is a lack of present moments And it all just had to be over a microphone Right, that's all it was

What I'm holding in my hand Literally what I'm holding in my hand All I wanted you to get was a fucking microphone That was it And a Zoom Yep And now we don't work together anymore. We don't work together anymore.

It's fucked up. It is. Why were you so mean to me, Yeti? What'd I do? Did I poke something in you? It's one of those things like... I was jealous of you of what

so I'll unpack this a little bit jealousy comes out of your own feelings of inadequacy inadequacy that's what I believe jealousy comes from and so when you're jealous of someone it's usually because somebody's done something that you want or they have something that you want or whether. And so I saw the accomplishment that you had created and what you said to me was like, I want you, I'm trying to make you my co-host. And I took, instead of being like, hey, I want you on my level. We had had this conversation off and on over the year that we were doing the podcast together and I just

I refused to see it that way I took it as an insult instead of you know a hey come on you know like I need you on my team I need this to I need us to be cohesive I need us to be on the same level and because of that

I lashed out came after you and I'd gotten to know you and I got to know you in some intimate ways. And I said, and so we didn't fuck. No, we do need to clarify that. No,

there was no sexual intercourse or anything like that. I don't even know if Andy's a good kisser, but the point is, is that, but we, we had, we had become pretty close friends and i used that as a weapon against you and that was the thing that i regretted the most and still do is

that instead of instead of just saying hey i'm dealing with shit or you're right um thanks for the reminder um i took it personally and and attacked and that's the thing and andy that i know is that um i do that to a lot of people in my life. And that's something I've had to come to terms with. It's been five and a half, six months. Do you think it's just running away? Oh, absolutely. You're a commitment phobe, like all of us.

Oh, man. What did I say? Fuck kids, don't fuck kids. And somebody else said something. I was like, I abhor two things. Responsibilities and taxes. We could have had something dope going on though, Yeti. We could have. Here, smoke this. Yeah.

But I was pissed. I was just, you know, it's like, I'm working so hard on this fucking thing, dude. And like, I don't even have the time. Right. fucking thing, dude. It's all, and like, I don't even have the time.

Right. This is like, I'm doing this with the little fucking time that I have just so we could give people a taste

into this world. And we're just two guys getting to know each other at first, you know? So like, when you start talking shit,

like publicly, like I kept all my shit to myself. I didn't let anyone know. When people asked, where's Yeti Wood to myself i didn't let anyone know when people asked where's yeti wouldn't i didn't let anyone know it was up because out of respect just the public stuff was kind of offensive yeah so just you know just be aware of that when you're like trying to make homies with people well that's one of those things that we don't you're absolutely right and that's one thing we don't realize in this interconnected hyper-connected world is you know whether you're overtly so you know i didn't

come out on twitter and say fuck andy frasco i want to say that clear i mean i did do the april fools thing that we you know we just talked about but um what you're talking about is the inference and the just you know the outright just like passive aggressive fuck you and so that's one of those things like in the moment you're just angry and like that's where i was and then you look at it and you realize the ripple effect of that and how that gets back and where that goes and that that's one of those things that you know for everyone listening i love andy i don't think anything ill of anything he's done or anything like that and honestly like I fucked up

I fucked up too for for going at you like that but I just don't have time for bullshit I need to get if I if I'm not getting the help I need I am going to move on

right and that's and honestly that's why you are where you are is because you found that formula That says I know what success looks like And what it needs to look like

Around me And when it Doesn't match up I'm gone And I'm doing it You know we talked Goals right You know what your goal is

And it's crystal clear It's like Magic Johnson Leaving the fucking Lakers dude He knew What's up with that He just knew his time He got fired It's been such a

I've had such high anxiety All fucking month I don't know why Because my career's going good And just You've had anxiety about the Lakers Everything Just the Lakers

Fucking If I have any friends anymore Like Like real friends Dude I've been dealing with that too Is that just getting older Maybe we think like our old friends Are really our new friends

Let me ask you this When you have those thoughts Is it when you're by yourself Looking at your phone Seeing what people are doing Where they're at Yeah or if I'm sleep deprived I wake up from

Drinking a bottle of Jameson You know Cause now that I'm not off the blow I'm fucking drinking a lot And that getting Yeah Sometimes when I drink too much Before a show Amosin, you know? So now that I'm not off the blow, I'm fucking drinking a lot. And that getting, yeah. Sometimes when I drink too much before a show, I get sad at the show. It's depressing.

So you depress the fuck out of the show? No, I mean, I'm turning on, but it's fake, you know? Okay, I got you, I got you. You put on the show, but it's not. It goes like back and forth. Like, I want to quit. I want to play music you I'm fucking sad You put on the show But it's not Yeah It goes like back and forth Like I wanna quit I wanna play music I wanna quit I wanna play music

And same with friends Like I want this guy in my life I don't want this guy in my life Right You know like I don't know if I'm just Manic

Cause I'm sleep deprived Well I mean there's something to that I mean Definitely I mean I Or I'm just getting older Well, I mean, there's something to that. I mean, definitely. I mean, I... Or I'm just getting older. And friends, you know, it's like...

You know how they say, like, I guess as you get older, you're like, you have like... Instead of having like two, ten good friends, you'll have two. Yeah, like you two, yeah. Well, maybe that's just it. I'm just like... You got this tight group.

You guys roll around the world. Yeah. You know, I mean, you, Eccles, Beats, and Chang. That's your core. And Joe. And Joe. Oh, yeah. Sorry.

Joe. But, you know, on that core. And then, you know, you've got that, you know, from Arno to your bass players to everybody else that comes in. I get it. No, it is getting older. I love those guys. I'm not saying I don't.

Those guys aren't my best friends. It's like, you know, now everyone has different prerogatives. You know, people are getting, in my band are getting married and like now it's a financial situation for our band

instead of it just being about the music. And, and, you know, I mean, that's, that's the way of life. You know,

when you make your passions, your, your dreams, your career, it's the way of life. When you make your passions, your dreams, your career, it ends up being about finances sometimes. So now that they're getting married, I just feel like I'm really stressed out. Yeah. You start to feel... I play music now to... I don't know.

I play music now to survive. So does that heat become a little more real? Yeah. That pressure becomes concrete. It's a pressure to be good. Oh, okay. It's a pressure to be really good every day because afraid of everyone at all going away.

Now people, now my name is out there, they expect me to fucking do frasco, crazy. And some days I'm just fucking sad. And I have to fucking wake up from that. And the reason why I get sad is because I think about my past. I think about what am I doing? I'm just living on the road. I'm getting older.

But when I get on that stage like sometimes it takes the whole set but by the end of it i got my smile back it's what you do that's why you do it i mean i can i get that like i feel the same way when i get on a stage and host and well that's how i felt with the podcast we did it because we loved it and it was funny We were making people laugh Right And then when I had to do Too much work To pick up the slack of Whatever mental thing You're going through

Fucking Or Fucking Starting to like dick and stuff And No It's a life change I mean thanks for acknowledging it

I'm cool with it man I appreciate it I know you're cool with it You're like I'm cool with it As long as you don't come after me No you Just Keep that Those sweet lips off my dick What's it like to What's I'm cool with it, man. I know you're cool with it. You're like, I'm cool with it as long as you don't come after me.

Keep those sweet lips off my dick. What's it like to realize you could just have people coming at you from any angle? What? It doesn't matter who it is. You're not safe. You probably started off like it was chicks, and then suddenly you're like, oh, wait, dudes like me too? Son of a bitch. Oh, man.

I don't know. Yeah, it like me too? Son of a bitch. Oh, man. I don't know. Yeah, it's crazy. Just being in a band. That's what makes me feel lonely too. I have all these three-minute conversations with everybody. And it's like, bye. You get a little jaded, don't you? Jaded?

I think it's more of a, I'm not going to see these people for a year and they're not going to reach out and maybe some of them do but like I won't see them until I come back

into their town or until they get married or have kids and they stop showing up right you know you see I see that in

some of these college towns too that we used to play like Fayetteville oh yeah yeah we haven't played Fayetteville In a couple years I finally came back It was weird

It was fun Everybody's grown up And their lives have gone on And you're doing Andy Frasco in the UN Still doing Andy Frasco Rolling in into town With a trailer behind the van

But I don't know Yeti What do you think? Do you wanna Do you wanna I wanna have closure We uh We did some really Kick ass stuff with that podcast Together

And I apologize For Being so self centered That I couldn't Work couldn't work in a partnership with you. And that we had to get to the point where we were just yelling at each other over text. Yeah.

Over something we loved. Over something we loved. We weren't even making money on this thing. Right. And maybe that's part of it. Maybe that's part of it. We cared about it. Yeah, but like... But at the same

time, I mean, it doesn't excuse it. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it like I'm trying to, you know, you want to see how you get to that level. Where's that emotion going? Yeah. You know. I am sorry. I apologize. I accept your apology. Thanks, dude.

And I'm sorry, though, that I should have said things a little differently or should have said things A little differently Or should have just Not just closed the door I was over it dude I was just fed up I think we both were

And it I wasn't great I don't like the way it worked out But I don't like the way it hashed out I should say But I like to see what you're doing I like to listen to you on Todd Glass, listening to the episodes.

It's cool to hear what you're doing. People still come in. These bands come into the bar. And they're like, oh, yeah. I was like, yeah, I did a podcast with a guy. And just understanding what you expose me to is the world of this touring world. You always know that people that

have notoriety and exposure to use the term famous that they're people. When I experienced that, getting to know you and the guys, it took it on a whole and it made me approach these bands that come into town, these touring bands differently. I've gotten to become

really good friends with a lot of these and I've gotten to become really good friends with a lot of these people I've met just through a conversation we're all in this together like I hang out with bands now like

all a lot of bands listen to this podcast and you know we're all fighting the same fucking fight it doesn't matter

who's more successful than who it's all at the end of the day we're fucking sad because we live in a fucking van we're just dealing with our demons and we're you know we're dealing with our demons Who's more successful than who It's all At the end of the day We're Fucking sad Because we live in a fucking van We're just dealing with our demons

And we're You know We're dealing with our demons Hashtag van life Van life And we're fucking drinking And you know It's lonely out here

But we're We're doing it for a bigger purpose Because we love Making people Fucking happy Yeah And that's what it comes down to Like

If I ever think like Would I ever quit? And some days when I think I'm going to quit, I can't quit this. You know what I'm saying? I don't, I mean, you can't,

it can't quit you either. It can't quit me. This is a lifestyle. We need each other. The people, you know, people who listen to this are fighting too. You know,

we're all fucking soldiers in this thing. And respect to everyone fucking trying to make a living doing this because it's fucking hard. It is. It's hard. And for you to feel like you have an open space with these bands now because of this show, I feel like I've done my job. Thanks.

Turned a man questionably about his sexuality into a man he's always wanted to be. Into a man who's sensitive now about the band culture. Aware of it. You're aware of it. And I love it. I think, seriously, if you're a touring musician, it doesn't matter if it's 200 shows a year or 20 shows a year.

You're doing what the guy that's sitting on the couch touring musician, it doesn't matter if it's 200 shows a year or 20 shows a year. You're doing what the guy that's sitting on the couch that's dropping negative comments on your YouTube or your Facebook isn't doing. So fuck him. So I could say fuck you, Yeti, for talking shit? Yeah. Fuck you, Yeti. Thanks.

If your friends can't tell you to fuck off and you be okay with that you get bigger problems I you know I don't like holding a grudge one that's just it is like when we hold on to that stuff

like I walked up to you in the alley and I wasn't going to like I was considering like going out of town today like I didn't know what to do and I woke I got to bed

and like I watched the sun come up this morning and I went to bed and it wasn't until Arno posted something on Instagram, I even remembered you were in town,

honestly. And I drove by, and I saw you. Yeah, I got the follow, I just got the follow back from I Am Yeti today. Yep.

I did, well, right after we talked in the alley, I walked back in my car, I was like, when a girlfriend, like, fucking,

fucking hates your guts, blocks you everywhere, and then you just have, like, one good conversation, like, one good hi And then I'll send the fucking

The DMs back Followed by I am Yeti So We're all the same We are We're all people We're all breathe air

And everybody poops Well I'm glad you took the initiative Because I probably wouldn't have done it I probably wouldn't have called you I get that You've got a lot of shit going on And it's one of those things. And it would have made me sad for not calling you.

Well, we... And I'm just playing, you know. I do this with my fucking family. I was 13 years old. My fucking grandpa didn't show up to my bar mitzvah. And he paid for it. And hell paid for it. And just because he was pissed off at my uncle.

And I took that, I fucking brought it, I kept it pretty low and I haven't got to talk to that family for 20 years because of this feud my mom had. And I felt like I missed out on people in my family because of some stupid ass feud.

And then that cousin showed up to my show in Arcata. Yeah? Like last week. And she thought that I am a guy who doesn't want to hold a grudge. I want to fucking have an open

vessel with everyone. And she came up to me and opened the hats like hey i'm sorry i you know i was 13 she was a little older than me she's probably i don't know 17 19 at that time she's older than me now and we just had closure like hey you know she's like i'm so proud of you you're a rock star and like i'm like thanks and i'm like she's like i'm like i was proud of you you're a rock star and like I'm like thanks and I'm like she's like I'm like I was proud of her that she got out of LA

and shit and it's just like I don't want to have I don't want to have a last goodbye without and I hope this isn't a last goodbye

but if it is because I don't come to Boise a lot that at least we got to understand who we are yeah and I appreciate you coming out, man.

I love you. I love you, too. It's not a ask you bye. We kind of got the band back together today. The band's back together. The band's back together. No promises. I'm not co-hosting, but I think if you ever want to do some opening sex or halftime sex.

Oh, you know I got. So that's the other thing I've been doing is I've been doing stand-up. Oh, good. And I've got a lot of stuff, so I'll send it your way if it's appropriate. Wow. Yet he's grown up. He's on that solo album.

Yeah. What's that? It's like, I left, I left the band to work on my solo project. Death row records. He's the, uh,

he's cut, he's out of, uh, and he's coming the new Tupac of the, of the comedy scene I don't know about that well good luck with that buddy thank you

and I hope everything goes well and I don't know who's gonna be the next interview I just wanted to do this is an emergency podcast we got this yeah

so I'm glad whatever interview this is on I love you bud and I hope all is well and I'm I'm glad we here we can hug we can hug it I love you, bud. And I hope all is well. And I'm glad we, here, we can hug. We can hug it out. Love you, man.

With mics. This is fun. Touching mics. We're touching mics. All right, buddy. Have a good day. Hopefully come out. You going to watch the show?

I'm coming to the show. We're going to be at the show. All right. Love you, man. Love you, too. Here's the next interview. Yee! Next up on the interview

hour, we have Spafford from Arizona. These guys are coming up. These guys are one of the bigger jam bands in the scene. Hey, Chris, play some music while we're pimping out Spafford. I've been

hearing about these guys for a lot. You know, Kunj, my buddy, used to manage them, and you know, when he likes a band, he pimps the shit out of them. And so, got to finally listen to their music at summer camp, and I was,

yeah, it was really good. These guys always have a different show. Their fans love them. It was a great interview. We talk about how hard it is to keep a band around and how hard it is to not listen to the noise of the internet trolls who

sometimes talk shit. I hope you enjoy it. I hope you enjoy the show. Ladies and gentlemen, Spafford. Leave the light on for me, lady So in the darkness I can find my way home Leave your light on for me, lady Let me know that I'm not alone Five years have passed. And we're fucking here, guys.

Booyah, Kashach. We're with these motherfuckers they call Spafford. So tell me about the scene. What were you guys, how'd you start your career in Arizona? Because there's not a lot of markets you could play. So were you... Well, we were in a small mountain town called Prescott, Arizona. There was a street called Whiskey Row and it had 10 bars on it.

So we would find ourselves playing 10 nights in a month, every single bar, just Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday,

Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday, Friday, you know,

like every, and then we got a residency like Wednesday at the local, like hip hop club, you know, and people would come down and shoot pool. And were you singing or it's all instrumental singing? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, right off the bat, we were always, you know know just playing songs and playing songs that we wrote and like you know throwing some covers in there and stuff but it was it was always a majority like originals you know so weren't you guys doing like half like you had jobs and shit oh yeah like what were your jobs oh my god i've done everything from gold plating, you know, carny jewelry. I was a chef. I was a dishwasher at the same place where he was a chef.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've done weird random jobs just to keep it. So what was the most, what was yours? I sold pens and magnets. Pens and magnets? Yeah. Like key chains, you know, like if you go into like a body shop in like tuscaloosa alabama and like you know you get your car worked on and the dude like hands you uh uh like uh uh your keys back yeah he's got his little keychain on it says like bob's auto body like i

was a guy that called him up from phoenix and was like hey i saw you this shit cheap. It's like Better Call Saul up in this little fucking dude. That's what I was going for. Jesus Christ. It was almost as shady. How did you make money? Did you get hourly or it was commissions? Yeah, it was all commission. So you were making commissions off pens and shit? Yeah. Yeah.

That's cool. So you did that and you're kind of like, what was the moment where you're like, ah, fuck this. We need to really start doing this full time. Did you meet anybody or like who brought you in? There was a first, I was just talking about this the other day. There was a first gig that we got playing outside of Arizona, which was opening up for Particle at the Hard Rock Cafe in Vegas. And for us, this was like the biggest gig of our life. I think only maybe 120 people walked through the door that night. But for us, this was the biggest. And you're playing with legends. Only maybe 120 people walked through the door that night.

But for us, this was the biggest. And you're playing with legends. First time that we ever got out of Arizona. And for us, it was like it set the bar. That was when Red joined the band. And it was like, we're like, let's do this. Like, let's get on the road and like, just keep going. And we kind of went back to school for two years right at that time as well.

So we were just doing school. Where were you guys going to school? Local community college in Prescott. Jordan and I were attending classes together. And yeah, Pike Community College. How long did you last? Two years. Nice. Yeah, we went through music school together.

For us, and then we left. Yeah, we formed Spafford a couple years prior. And then we decided to go back to school together. And we went and we played in bands and stuff like that. And did the theater and did pit orchestra and stuff like that. Before the school was really involved. And on the weekends, we were like bands and stuff like that and did like the theater and did like pit orchestra and stuff like that for the school was really involved. And on the weekends, we were just going playing Spafford. And that was 2014 to 2016 or, you know.

So who is inspiring you to play this type of music? Like, what were you listening to at that time? Yeah, like this area, this time in your life. I mean, a lot of it's like the school stuff, going to school and like learning jazz and learning playing in a gospel band or like i played in a country band brian brian played everybody played in all these other random bands and then we started like really studying music and i really think that's like what pushed it the most is like studying music theory and studying like all different types of music to like just kind of come up with this like amalgamation of like whatever we produce now

because i we played in a church band too for years i mean we played in we worked for an american evangelical so what kind of what kind of church music was it jars of clay like rocking i mean it was killer music i mean like yeah you know like yeah great bro you kidding i mean like i was learning that i'm like oh my god this is for real. Complicated. So it was giving that sort of aspect. And that sort of influenced our songwriting as well. All those little things throughout the years have always. But we always loved going up there and just setting a groove

and just let it ride. Let the music speak for itself. Who knows what tonalities, who's going to use what, and where it's going to take us. But let's just have fun with it. Let the music speak for itself. So knows what tonalities, who's going to use what and like where it's going to take us. But like, let's just have fun with it. Let the music speak for itself. So we always,

you know, that's first and foremost. Yeah. We're going to go into this whole, cause I'm new to this jam world and how you guys don't even like look at each other and you guys already know what the fuck you guys are doing. You know, like it's just kind of,

is that planned? Like when you go into these improvised things in your sets, cause everything is kind of like, kind of know when you're like, I don't know. As I've been talking more jam artists and stuff, like there's a part like, all right,

let's see what happens here. Is that kind of how it is with your band? Or do you guys just free wheel the whole thing? You don't know what the fuck's going on. I mean, every, I mean, yeah.

I mean, there's like, there's sections to our songs, obviously that could sound different night by night, depending on how we're feeling. You know, is there always a quarterback or is like everyone takes, no, everybody kind of, yeah, everybody takes it. That that's that's the point of the band that's that's the point of the improv is like we say whoever's speaking let them speak you know so

how do you know so what's the what's the what's the thing like you got to use your ears yes so like or like is it like kind of like i want this one guys or like yeah i mean that happens or you can hear it or i know if he's like okay i want to go now like all right let me lay back let brian do his thing or like you just hear something it's like a second nature thing it's like you hear a note and you're like oh oh i hear all these things okay maybe he's meaning to do this and maybe later you have the conversation like that was not what i meant to do at all. Yeah. That was really cool.

And I'm glad that you went there. So, but with this whole jam scene, can you go there again? Or do you have to like, you can't do that piece again. Right. Are they,

do they get pissed? Like, do your fans get pissed when you start doing shit you've already done? No, I mean, I don't, I don't think so. Well,

I mean, like if we were just playing these songs and there was no jam and they were just solo sections then wouldn't they be less like interesting than what we're doing right now yeah so like so like but what about say like i don't know because you see i like i i hang out i'm close friends with the pigeons fans and i are pigeons and i see their fan page and i heard you guys have like a spaff nerds or something yeah that's like 10 000 deep who are studying your your set list like they're ravenous group they're fucking crazy i saw some shit i'm like damn these homies are on these guys dick and uh like it's crazy i said it now you guys don't worry uh so like is there pressure because of that like do you watch that shit well look social media itself has like its place in the world like that where

everybody's trying to figure out so social media like that's you know being a fan club that's for us and like loving the band like we wouldn't want anything different than whose idea was a fan club was it fans absolutely yeah yeah shit is nuts yeah. Yeah, I mean, we couldn't stop them. They're like, we need a place to talk. And we're like, okay. And we've stayed out of it. We're not in there. Didn't you start reading all that shit?

I've read it and been depressed. Oh, I've read it and been depressed before. What's the most depressing thing someone said? Well, I mean, they ask some questions or they say some things that you you know like you know they can hit a soft spot sometimes you know and it's and it's fine because it's when were you i guess it's genuine um when you said fuck this i'm gonna listen to this well i mean we had a drummer change last year so i think that that arose like a bunch of stuff you know and we just kind of had to like we just had to kind of like you know go through the motions of nobody knows what was going on with us at the time. And, you know,

and we kind of had to just keep this thing alive and keep moving through it. And there was, there was some negativity that was going on. And it was, I think it was around that time that I decided to just, you know, not have anything to do with it anymore. Just not, not to look at it, you know, because we just kind of had to put our head down and keep this thing alive. It's, you know, this thing isn't run by social media. It's run by this four group of guys that are sitting right here and it's our lives and our experiences and everything that's being affected sometimes and you know life throws you curveballs you know for anyone so who's the new

drummer boy mr cameron laforest all right here we go interrogation motherfucker let's see if you're worth this okay so like how's that pressure like knowing that this band is already here you know and like you how'd you guys meet first where'd you meet him online or he was he was a How is that pressure? Knowing that this band is already here. How did you guys meet first? Where did you meet him? Online? He was a local. He was one guy in Arizona.

That's easy. There was one guy in Arizona that could get the job. Okay, and it was him. You already knew that. It was the only one guy in Arizona that could get the job. Okay, so that's a lot of pressure on your hands. We've seen him grow up. He's the baby?

I started playing. Well, we've seen him, and he used to play in a fish cover band believe it or not and they were sneaking him into the bars and this kid's 17 years old and he would come up to prescott when we lived in prescott and they would come out because we would go see him and we're like man this kid is just amazing he's got glasses or something they're like beating the shit out of these drums we're like who is this kid isn't it amazing like some of these kids like taz you ever played with taz before no not yet like 15 but we know you're 17 like yeah it's like amazing to like even like i had a he was with he was talking about bruce and bruce is like at 10 years old he knew that that was taz is going to be his guitar player wow like people just have it in them. So were you touring heavy before this?

So we were touring heavy. We were really getting into touring. And then Cameron came along and we didn't skip one beat. So that was when the touring really picked up for us. So we literally were building all this stuff and then took Cameron on the road with us. How do you feel about all the shit talk

about the drumming on the Spaff nerds? You know, I haven't really paid attention to any of that. I was briefly on the page for maybe two weeks tops. And that was like, I was just discovering the band like probably two or three weeks beforehand. And I just like checked out the page. He's like, who are these people? They called me.

And then they called me and they're like, hey, do you want to play? And I was like, sure. And he's like, okay just like checked out the page. He's like, who are these? They called me, they called me and then they called me and they're like, Hey, do you want to play? And I was like, sure. And he's like, okay, you should leave the page. Yeah.

I was like, I'm probably not really paying attention to it. So, but that's also where our fuel comes from too. You know, it is absolutely. And I think that we've figured out a way to turn that into like the correct energy for us.

No, totally. It's, it's, it's both. You know, you need the motivation. for us. No, totally. It's, it's, it's both. You know, you need the motivation. You need the people behind you.

We don't want them to stop doing that. What are we going to tell them? Hey, everybody chill out. Like, no, every time we see them, we always tell them,

go, keep going. You know, like it's, it's fine. Let's get the word out about the band, you know, it's how they're doing it.

Nice. Tell me about this 60 minute fucking album you made. You made an album called, that was one, one song, 60 minutes. Go ahead. Come on. We went to a water park. We were busting our asses

catching Cam up. Four or five days a week in the studio. At a water park? Before the water park. Let me start before this. We were working. We spent more than four days four hours at a water park

every day just to sit just to sit and talk about music guys we need to figure out this record let's go to Raging Waters right now

hold that thought I'm hitting the lazy road Phoenix is Phoenix is really hot in the summer and we were spending four or five days a week in the rehearsal room

and like it's like 115 degrees outside and we're just practice practice practice it's all we were doing and like one day we're just like every day okay today we're going to a water park like no practice today we all just like went to the water park like we're like four adult four adult men were surrounded by like children with their parents and like didn't matter at all we just like really like bonded and like laughed and had a lot of fun and then the next day we went and i always have my computer up and i'm

always recording and we're just like hey do you guys just want to jam and we just started playing and like i had pressed record and then we finished we're like wow that was like really cool and we just kept going and we kept recording some other stuff kept playing and went back and listened to it we all listened to it we're like this to it. We're like, this is amazing. This is like an album. It's like little songs in between each thing. And we should just put this out. People need to hear this.

Yeah. And how was the response? How do you find, were you not thinking about a single? Did you cut parts of it to throw into, say, jam on? Will they play the whole 60-minute song? I hope that they will. I mean, the point was, there this like norm that's happening now like they're not even albums don't even really matter no it's just put out a single because that's the only thing that

people have an attention span for and it's like it's just not what we do yeah we're just non we just we're not going to conform to that you know like so we just put out the track we were thinking about splitting this thing up because it had sections to it no no one hour 59 minute 59 you know like let's put it out there and let's just see what happens and people started time stamping it on their own saying this section was it was it created so how's the recording process for an hour song do you guys take breaks per part or did you just like no it was one hour we just jammed we just improv for an hour straight and then that was just it and then we just ended it and we were like and then we got done and we were like cool let's go smoke cigarette like that was sweet like went back like all right let's go work on like this song whatever and then like when jordan gets the recordings was on it no but then

we just get done like you know we started listening to it and it was just this piece that just fit an hour long and we're like let's just do it how many times did you do it once well it was just this piece that just fit an hour long. And we're like, let's just do it. How many times did you do it? Once? If we did it, we couldn't do it again. Get the fuck out of here. Really? We couldn't do it again.

That was special. It was its own thing that only lasted in time for that. The way that it... I had no idea that anything was recording. Yeah. It was like, who wants to start us off? Somebody pick a key. Somebody pick a tempo and we all oh i started i started a riff in g minor and that wasn't even the key that it wound up that's the improv i mean i'm like his root note

was b flat you know i mean it was something else like i mean it just didn't that it was literally that's what the improv is as i went in thinking okay i'm gonna start here and you know what he heard was something different and that was why it developed into the why it did so how do you um if it's all improv now are you forced to play that for your set no we've never been forced to play that ever again yeah you're running your ship it's just that is just like a little like an easterter egg and for us you know and like we are looking forward to doing like more of those you know we want to save so much money yeah dude this is our own little we don't believe we have to switch together jordan does all the mixing and mastering like on stuff like that like you know how much money did you spend on the record which

one the original like the actual album for amusement only that we did this year or a Baculous? Nothing. I mean, we just threw it up on Spotify. That was Jordan's MacBook and all the mics set up. And you recorded it at your practice spot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What are they? We call it the pound. Yeah. Because a bunch of stray cats that run around there. Oh, get the fuck out. Yeah. And tacos. Super fast.

So what's the next idea for the next one record? What are you going to do? You going to do the same concept or what are you thinking? Well, I mean like that, like that's some, that's what we do live. Yeah.

So like, that's kind of the idea is to let people know, like, this is kind of like what we do live within each song or like this could happen. I mean, you know, the fact that we did that on the studio was,

was awesome. You know, It was crazy. So normally you'll just play one song for a set. No, we can write four up there and we could say, if the first one's going to go, let it. It's tight. You'll know when it's... And it may not.

It may not. And that's it. And then move on to the next one. If that one goes, you know, it's just that language that's happening in there. And sometimes you can really feel like last night. Like, you know, we go through a jam, like really push hard in the first section, you know, and then all of a sudden it like pulls back for a second. You can feel we're getting into this next phase of what it really, now we're on the spaceship, you know. Like we just boarded with this last seven minutes., now we're on the spaceship, you know, like,

like we are, we just boarded with this last seven minutes, but now we're jets. Now we're here. So now it's an autopilot and we can really sit here and take this for as long as we want. And who knows where it's going to end up. Oh my God.

So who's singing mostly you? We all sing. Yeah. Yeah. Who's singing mostly? You? We all sing. Yeah? Yeah.

It is halftime at the Andy Fresco interview hour. Welcome back to an episode of Rider Review with your host Ari Finling. I actually got a copy of Andy Fresco's rider from a show he did in Charleston, South Carolina. Let me just read it to you. It's pretty weird. Number one, 500 packs of Dunkaroos, a snack from 1994. One VHS copy of

The Parent Trap with Lindsay Lohan. There's no VHS player on here, so there's no VCR. Don't know how he's going to play that. Think he just wants it. Unlimited Capri Suns. Okay, you're not a child. One Sibian. Pretty weird, dude. Three Hula Hoops. 57 Highlights Magazines. Pretty sure this is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. One Unicycle, 12 cartons of cigarettes, 99 Trojan fire and ice condoms for God knows what,

69 pre-rolled joints, and a Christmas tree in quotes, no matter what time of year. Great job, Andy. You're fucking weird. This has been another episode of Ride or Review. I'm your host, Ari Finling. Good night.

How hard is it to like, you know, we're all, it's a business. You know, it's like, and seeing, you know, working with people like that's helped us with our career in the beginning. And like, there's like stepping when you have to like keep on moving forward. And like, there's, there's like stepping when you have to like, keep on moving forward. How hard is it to like, say, you know, I need to, I'm looking for someone else in this position. And, you know, in that just like heartbreaking, it's, it feels like, you know, I mean, it's, it's happened to me. It's happened to you. It's happened to everybody in our lives because that's just what happens.

And yeah, it's a tough thing to do, but. But like, yeah, it's like, hopefully they get it that it's like, we're looking out for the bigger picture, you know like yeah it's like hopefully they get it that it's like we're looking out for with the bigger picture you know and it's well this is a really powerful thing you know and and when we created it and we weren't sure of the grand scope of it's of how much power it harnesses and it's and we try and be gentle with it it's very fragile and you know we do the best that we can yeah but we set out here to create music for ourselves, to create music for ourselves that wasn't given to us in Arizona at the time. And with all the support and everything, we just got pushed on the road by other bands.

And here we are. But that dream has never stopped. No. And all the business gets in the way. And all that bullshit starts to, or social media and all this stuff. But like what's really going on is we're four guys that are just writing music from the heart and singing it from the heart. And we just want to go play music and give people music. So y'all married? Got girlfriends? Married?

Married. I got a girlfriend. Married. Married. So let's talk about that. How hard is that? I got married on the road september uh 2016 and when i came back i got fired from a job that i was working at and i went on tour with spafford instead of going on my honeymoon oh we got back we got back two years later which

was you know three months ago you know or whatever and you've been getting hard for two years straight from this? We've been going for about two years. Ever since Cam came in the band or a little bit before that, we were going pretty hard. January 2017. And yeah, we've just been going hard ever since. So how hard is that? I mean, it's...

Do you guys get in fights over little things? Is it tough? Do you have kids? Anyone have kids? No kids. That's good. That would be a lot yeah no i mean i i thankfully have a woman on my arms that doesn't give me shit she supports me and i mean i'll spend a week practicing my guitar in the other room and she won't even bug me that's great so so it's about communication it's all about communication you

know it's like i mean with umphrey's guys you know we've learned from them and you know robbie over at umphreys crew he says like you call your wife every single day and we do rob is a good guy right we call every single day and like those tips those things like have helped us have our relationships out on the road and maintain the band the other guys like all umphreys and all the bands that have wives and stuff we're like oh my god they can do it we can do it too and you just see that there's you know a way through this crazy touring schedule and be able to have a very intense relationship with a woman you know as well as four other guys or the 12 other guys that you're on the road with yeah i mean you're married like 10 times over with everybody yeah it's like especially with the band like you're married to each other and you can't fuck each other. You know,

I can't have sex to like calm the releurs. Right on. I mean. Dude, we just all just fucked. It was tight. We got,

we were, it was makeup sex. It was an orgy, dude. There was a time when we went skinny dipping in Los Angeles. All y'all just foreign. We just said,

this is it. Like we're doing it. We're going to go out there and get the dicks out magnetize our dicks try to make a new record we didn't go very far we haven't really talked about it since then

sorry about that guys do you guys ever test around with psychedelics or anything do you guys take acid or mushrooms I mean I have enough in my day but like every like experiment on like oh let's all take l and do a show no no i mean no i mean i've tried to take out play my guitar when i was 17 years old and it turned into an elephant's trunk so yeah hold on explain that

explain the whole story oh god yeah that was basically i wound up sitting at the piano the rest of the night and just playing with somebody else, and we made the most beautiful music I think I've ever played, still to this day. If you could tell yourselves, you could tell younger you, after all the things you learned in the last 10, 11 years about the industry and with a clear head, what would you tell yourself? Just keep doing it.

You're doing the right thing. Yeah? Yeah. Did you ever have doubts you were doing the right thing? Oh, come on. Of course. Well? Just keep doing it. You're doing the right thing. Yeah? Yeah. Did you ever have doubts you were doing the right thing? Oh, come on, of course. Well, tell me about it. Like, what was the moment you had the biggest doubt? We were driving from a show to go to, we were in Mammoth Lakes.

Mammoth Lakes, yeah, yeah. And we were headed to Northern California to go play a music festival with Steve Kimmock. And this was like now the biggest gig of our lives. And our transmission, we weren't supposed to make the, you know, you come into the fork in the road and it's like, you know, go around the mountain

or go right to go over the pass and we missed it. So we went right on the pass and our transmission dropped on our bus at the time we had a huge we had a 7.3 turbo fucking power stroke whatever i'm not a car guy i play guitar um you know and uh 27 yeah 27 passenger whatever we gutted it we put ikea bunk beds in it and tv in like all this shit and like there was no air conditioning. This thing sucked, you know?

And we, we toured around for years with that thing, you know? And, and it finally, it could put, it went down and we're stuck on the top of this pass. And as soon as it went down,

I was like sleeping in the back. And as soon as it went down, I just, I grabbed my wallet and started walking and started hitchhiking right away. Cause I knew that we were, we were done. Yeah. Jordan was with me.

We took off and we wound up doing this whole freaking thing, getting the thing down and whatever. I mean, this was a mess. The bus wound up staying in Mammoth Lake for the next three months. Did you have to cancel shows? Well, we wound up making it to Lake... What's the lake?

Fuck. Lake Powell. Lake Tahoe or whatever. Yeah, Tahoe. Trucking area. And renting all the shit and going back to where our vehicle was and getting a u-haul and getting a minivan and now driving another three hours now we're on our way to um to make 20 to the festival to make 2,500 bucks yeah it's 2,500 would have

like kind of broke us even with all the shit you know maybe a couple grand we were thrown into this thing you know like oh shit it was a bad week yeah like we're not making money with this thing anyway yeah yeah um but at least that's gonna pay your expenses yeah we went all the way up there into this thing, you know, like, oh shit, it was a bad week. Yeah. Like we're not making money with this thing anyway. Yeah. But at least that's going to pay your expenses. Yeah. We went all the way up there and that guy didn't pay us. Was it, no one showed up to the fest? Oh no, people were there and, and, and, and sound guy, we were, we showed up there. The sound guy was like, I'm not turning it on because the promoter was, wasn't paying

anybody. Somehow I got involved with this promoter. And we were nobody. You don't fight him? No, but I told him that he's going to pay. Steve came up, $15,000, however much money he owed for the gig. I said, I don't even care if you're going to give me the money. You're going to get him the money.

You're going to turn the shit back on because there's 500 people here that want to see some music. And they're not giving music. What is this is unity festival look at you mr politician i like it got came out the money shit goes back on we did our set okay right jerry joseph kim wally they all did they did the gig it was a great night but we never got paid i'm texting this guy the promoter give me the money bro like give me because he was like dude i will pay you i'll pay you like you know like it's thanks for helping me out but i'll pay you this and that you know and i'm like bro you know this is a two weeks later he sends me a picture of like a town sign that says like you know maryville or something like that and he goes

bro i can't pay you because my town burned down. And the picture was like Maryville, like this thing. And the whole town is burnt behind it. And I'm like, what? This guy's town? You know, this didn't happen. So I went on Google, typed Maryville fire. And it was like, oh, the great fire of Maryville in 1994. And there's the picture that the guy sent me.

So I knew that we were never getting the money. This guy's face has never showed up on the industry ever again, ever, anywhere. He was done. You know, we took the hit for it. Transmission cost us $3,500. We didn't get paid the 25. All the U-Hauls, everything.

Jordan and Chuck, we fly back home from San Francisco. These guys stay a few days in Mammoth to try and get a vehicle. They take the U-Haul all the way back. The vehicle's stuck in in mammoth to try and get a vehicle they take the u-haul all the way back the vehicle stuck in in a mammoth for i mean this was we met two months after that second time that this didn't happen to us oh yeah we met that we i mean we've had car troubles like i mean we could say we could do that week that was that's your transportation issues. That's what we could tell our past selves is just buy a 15 passenger G3500. Buy that. And that's it. Do not try and get anything bigger.

Don't try and put beds in it. Don't try and sleep in it. No fridges. No nothing. It's something with air conditioning and something that works. You're an independent band. How expensive is this fucking dream? It's expensive. We only ever took anything that we ever made and we put it back into the business for how many years 10 still absolutely fucking crazy we're putting

on crew members before we're putting money in our pockets because we're we we need the help you know we need to be in the vehicles that are going to get us there we need to make sure that people are comfortable and yeah you know these guys are fucking expensive you know yeah exactly but we're not looking to do this thing for a couple of years. We're making a career out of this thing. We don't know where we're headed, but we're on our way. Yeah, what's the dream then? You're looking at it.

Yeah, this. We are doing it. Fuck, yeah. So living in the moment. This is it. This is it. I mean, where's it going to go? We're going on tour?

Yeah, we don't need anything else. This is the dream. So maybe that's what it is. we need to stop like thinking about tomorrow perspective and thinking about just this moment this is it i mean we're sitting in your hotel room on jam cruise right now yeah just hanging out yeah you're a dude dude it's crazy man thanks for being on the show yeah i can't wait to see you guys. You guys have one more show, right? Tonight? Tomorrow. Oh, fuck yes.

I'm going to take some mushrooms and watch the show. I heard it's real nice on mushrooms. Yeah, you guys. Oh, one more thing. Sorry, sorry. Light show, light show. Yes, Ben Factor. Yeah, you had one light guy.

I heard a story about an old light guy that you named the band after. Yes, Chuck Spafford Johnson. Chuck Spafford, okay. Yes, he's like our fifth member, and I guess Ben Factor, who's doing lights, is our sixth member. I mean, everybody who works for us, everybody who's doing this thing is a part of it.

So let's end on that. How important is light show with your type of music? Oh, it's super important. It's like a sixth member. I was the first light guy. I used to have a panel of switches, and I would tie the house light. It was just one.

This is a bar. And then I had a disco ball behind me, and I I would tie the house light it was just one you know this is a bar and then I had the disco ball behind me and I would turn off the house light while I was like holding a note like soloing and I would hold the note

and I'd come over and I'd pop the house light off and then put on the disco light in the fog machine and then go back to soloing again yeah yeah yeah so when Chuck showed up

I was like hey I just need you to flip these switches because I can't flip these switches anymore. And that evolved into all this stuff. Very fascinating. Boys, stay humble.

Keep kicking ass. Thank you. Don't let the groupies ruin your relationships. No. And wear condoms until you want to have babies. Love you guys. Have fun. Be safe.

Thanks for being on the show, guys. Thank you, dude. Love you, man. Love you, dude. Be safe. Thanks for being on the show, guys. Thank you, dude. Love you, man.

Love you, dude. And now, as a tribute to our old co-host, Yeti, the team at the World Saving Podcast created a little montage in his honor from all the episodes he's on. Thanks for all the memories, buddy. And now, attend a moment where Yeti gives Andy a handy... Yeti, you're a single man. Give me that pipe. I'm not high enough for this.

Okay, smoke this. You're half chub going on talking about this thing. We are fucking on to something here. Yeah, you can't have that big of a dick. You've seen my dick. Just lay down on the ground and just feel what's going on around you. Can you brush your teeth? What do you think? What are you doing? I have no money.

Why are you doing this? Actually, damn. That's a good one. Oh, fuck. Yeah, dude. This is good. I like this. Ooh. Ooh. Damn. Okay. Damn. We are so poly. This is Damn. Okay.

Damn. We are so poly. This is 2018, fucking. Do you think ghosts fuck? Yeah. Ooh. Ooh. Oh, Andy.

Yes. Yes. Doesn't matter what's in your mind. You're just basically going for the feeling of the orgasm. Maybe you have to close your eyes and just make music. I firmly believe that the energy that sustains our consciousness, you and I being able to connect, you and I going through our moments and everything,

and our emotions and all of that is built off of that. Are we going to document this? Uh-huh. I may have a question. Like, no words. this? Uh. Like, no words. Just, just. No, no words at all. Yeah, this is not, this is not about language. Yeah, but so you've got, so I mean do everything, do. Just like No, no audio, no

Coptic vocalization. And it can't have any words. It can't have chanting either. Okay. Okay. Well, that's why you and I are in love. No, it's got to be more primal. Oh. Okay. Well, that's why you and I are in love. No, it's gotta be more primal. Oh, my God. Fuck. Fuck? Yeah.

Fuck. Fuck. This is the greatest moment. Cum is coming out of my dick and it's like flying out of my... Fuck. Fuck? Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

Alright. There you have it. Thanks for being on the show, Spafford. Thanks for popping in, Yeti. It was nice to talk. I really haven't talked to him since the breakup. He shot me a text when I was in Boise. I was like, okay, let's have a talk. Of course, I wanted to record it.

I just want everyone to know my life, what's going on but I'm glad we got some closure thanks for being on the show Yeti love you buddy, no hard feelings I'll always be there for you and I know you'll always be there for me so I love you bud but fuck

man I just got back I kind of fucked up I just got back from Mexico, Sean's wedding, which was so beautiful. And seeing Sean in his moment was very special. Congratulations, you two. It was just a good time. I had my flight got canceled. So I got there literally like two hours before the wedding. There's all this shitty weather out in the Midwest and stuff, but yeah, I did a little cocaine for the first time in a year. God fucking Mexico. I swear to God, there's something in the tacos and, uh, you know, the burritos and the

fucking beach and like just the vacation vibes that make you just want to do a bag of Coke. But I did it. I feel like shit. I felt like shit yesterday. I was like, I got to sleep. So I took a little Xanax and fucking slept for like 14 hours. I know I feel good, but fuck. It's okay. You fuck up every now and then, but I don't know. Coke is weird, dude. You do it when you're drunk. Well, I don't know if everyone does it, but when I get wasted and I day drink and they're like, oh, let's go out. It's only seven. I'm like, fuck. All right, here we go. So we got some shitty cocaine and some shitty Adderall. And I just, you know, like an idiot, I fucking snorted the Adderall. I felt like on top of the world. And the next morning I felt like utter

shit. So I learned my lesson. Probably won't be doing that again for a while. And it's all about, I think, you know, I don't,'s all about don't abuse shit, you know. Do it every now and then, it's fine. But, like, feel it. Feel the replications of it, if that's the right word. And, you know, go, you know, learn from it, you know. That's the thing about getting through addiction. But, yeah, I did it and whatever.

It's all good. But we had a great fucking time. Have you guys ever, we smuggled in some mushrooms, I did it and whatever. It's all good. We had a great fucking time. Have you guys ever... We smuggled in some mushrooms, which was fucking awesome. This is the first time I ever did this. I didn't know that citric acid really helps with the digestion

of the mushrooms. You don't get the bubble guts. I had a friend who was at the wedding and was like, okay, let's try this out. So we brought like half ounce of mushrooms and we just dosed the whole wedding party. It was the day after we got on a boat and we were just circling Cabo and it was so fun and it was really nice. And then I, have you ever went snorkeling on mushrooms that was the coolest shit i've ever been a part of i was you know at first i'm nervous to snorkel you know especially

on drugs because you know you hyperventilate or when you're in that mask and shit like you forget that you have to learn a different way of breathing you know you're not breathing from your nose and when you're fucking high um sometimes you forget that there's other ways of doing things you know and then we get all anxious and blah blah i'm gonna die i'm gonna die oh my god but really you just gotta take a step back and like relearn things and it got me through that fear of fucking snorkeling because when i was a kid my mom we went snorkeling and i don't know what happened But I was so fucking scared This big ass stingray started swimming after me

And I was fucking frightened I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no I don't want to do this I was like five years old And I've never done it since So I did it I took some mushrooms And I just hung out with this

Like it was a pool of fish. I really, you know, like when you wear those, those, um, 3d glasses or like the infrared glasses, when you're looking at something 3d and you see all these like fish and like, Oh, that's what it felt like. And it was so peaceful and it was, it was just cool. I was there for hours, fucking snorkeling and looking at fish and realizing we're not alone. There's a different world in the water.

Maybe we want to not want to smoke as much because the littering and shit, that's just all going in the ocean. Plastic. There's a whole fucking community of creatures that we don't get to see every day. But it was dope.

I had a great time. And then I got to get to know Sean's family on mushrooms. Talking to Linda Eccles. She's so sweet. She's like my mom. But, you know, like I said, I was on the mushrooms. And, you know, at first when you're on the mushrooms, you're like, yeah, I want to get to know this person I never got to know.

And then you forget you're high. And so I'm having conversations about Sean's childhood and, like, just getting to know who she is. And, you know know then you go through these ups and downs of like oh shit I am I'm high as fuck talking to Linda Eccles about the theory of life I'm like I gotta settle it down settle it down but you ever tried you maybe try going to a family vacation or family reunion on mushrooms. Don't take too much where you're like, oh God, look it, grandma is fucking twirling.

But like, take like a little microdose and go to the family reunion and just get to know everybody. You know, some people are afraid to talk to when you're just sober. Maybe you think that they don't understand you or they have different values than you. But that's what I love about the mushrooms is it really opens you up to being vulnerable and being acceptive to new things. Like if it's talking to a parent

or talking or trying new things like I fucking snorkeled guys I fucking snorkeled it was badass but the wedding was great

Cabo seeing Sean happy and nervous was you know I could tell they're gonna last forever but uh

it's just been so much fun but um I'm on a break I'm in LA right now starting my new record. I got like four songs in. I'm writing with some LA folk. And then just getting down with the nitty gritty.

But other than that, I'm having fun. We got Mountain Jam in a couple days, which is going to be fucking fun. Two nights. I'm playing at 1 a.m. to 3 a.m. They finally gave me the late night slot on the big stage, so I'm going to fucking tear that up. And then we got a day show the next day, and then it's Father's Day.

And I just sold my house, actually, so I won't be able to go see my dad on Father's Day, which I'm bummed about Because I have to move everything out of it By the 18th So Man change is weird We're creatures of habits

I was sitting at my house A couple days ago Or my old house now And of course it's got it Life is testing you. Do you really want to sell this house? You know, there's fucking fireworks blasting off of my background

or off my patio, you know, because I'm downtown, so you could see the full 360 view of Kansas City and just fucking pimp. I'm like, fuck, this is really nice and this is really cheap. Why am I trying to buy something more expensive but um you know sometimes you gotta take a chance and sometimes you just gotta fucking

you know keep progressing and keep following your gut you know my gut's telling me to move so i'm gonna move and i believe i'm going to, Colorado. Yeah, I've been looking at houses out there. It's been nice. I'm a little nervous. It's more expensive, like I said. But I'm trying. I'm trying to figure all that out. I'm also worried about the coke out there in Denver.

Everyone's on coke out there. That's what I'm kind of worried about. I don't want to fucking get caught up in it. But I'm stronger than I was a couple years ago. If it was a couple years ago, three years a couple years ago three years ago i bought that house in kansas city the reason why i didn't buy in denver then was you know it was dick to coke or abusing coke so everyone and their mothers is on the fucking drug out there so um gotta just say no learn how to say no but yeah i think i'm gonna make the move to denver i've been looking at houses. Yeah, it's going to be fun.

I'm excited. I'm worried about the altitude. I always get fucking sick out there. I don't know, maybe because I'm just partying hard, but I always have fucking headaches. I got to figure that out. Maybe get altitude sickness. I just got to get more used to it.

But other than that, I'm just rambling today, guys. Just trying to make a new record We got some really awesome interviews That I'm doing this summer Because we're opening for a lot of bigger bands Just got asked to play with Green Sky Bluegrass Going on tour with them for a little bit I'm interviewing the Wood Brothers

I'm excited about that one I got Mahali I'm interviewing I met Brothers. I'm excited about that one. I got Mahali I'm interviewing. I met him at, where did I meet him? Oh yeah, Summer Camp. He was sitting in with Big Gigantic and then Ryan Stasek asked us to play poker so me and him

got to shoot the shit. Well, we took all of Ryan's money. Well, we didn't really take it but I won. I finally won some shit. I was talking mad shit. I'm like, yo, fuck off. This is all me. It was good to meet Mahali.

I didn't know what to expect. I thought he was going to be a dick, and he was cool as fuck, actually. That's why the fucking trolls, dude. There's so many trolls out there who just talk shit and talk shit who don't even know who these people are.

They're just judging them from the performance they're at. Like, come on. Let's get to know each other before we talk shit about nobody. And I'm at fault. I do it too. So let's just like learn

how to not talk shit on the internet, you know. But other than that, I got a lot of tour dates running around. I'm doing FroFest in Huntsville, Utah. You know, my annual Utah Afros are coming into the Mormon state of Utah and we're going to fucking destroy that shit. And where else we're going? We got a little going We're going to Nantucket Four days Playing in St. Louis

Playing in Kansas City Opening for Blues Traveler And then we're on our way to High Sierra I've never done that before And then we're going And then I'm recording We start recording our record with Dave Schools again

In San Fran It's going to be fun Then I fly straight to Levitate Music Fest In Boston Then I got a couple weeks off And then I'm doing Peach Fest And what else? Buffalo again, Buffalo is wild as fuck

And then I go to Europe Throughout August And then I'm doing lock-in. Oh, no doubt. I just got booked in Sardinia, Italy at some festival. It's supposed to be really pretty. It's kind of like Santorini, but the Italian version of it. Just an island, some dope shit.

But other than that, my schedule is pretty packed. I don't know how I'm going to find a fucking house. I'm like flying back and forth to Denver every like, you know, whenever I have like two days off to try to find a house. I'm just fucking, why am I doing this to myself? You know, I overwork and then I get all fucking sad and fucking, you know, start making philosophical blog posts and shit. But it's okay.

We're in it for the common good. Take care of yourselves, you know. We could overwork each other. It happens. It fucking happens. We just work and work and work and we forget about ourselves because we're out thinking of everyone else. So take a step back sometimes and realize that life is not all about working. It's about

enjoying it as well. And we could get through this. Mental health, I keep talking about it. Mental health is big, guys. It's important to take care of your mind. Like yesterday, I was on the hangover Coke and I'm starting to have these weird fucking feelings I had last year. I'm like, yeah, now that I know what it's about, it's the dopamine level low and I'm fucking tired and sleep deprived because I haven't slept because I've been on fucking snorting Adderall and coke all night. So take care of yourselves. Know what drugs you need in your life. It doesn't have to be drug, drug. It could be sports.

It could be basketball. It could be talking to a loved one. All that's drug. Stop thinking that, oh, just fucking coke, and yeah, that's going to get me happy. No, because other things can make you happy as well. So find that stuff And don't abuse it I love music

Music was my drug And then I abused it And how fucking working And you know Just fucking partying And it tore me up So I had to take a step back And I feel a lot better now

So find what makes you happy Don't abuse yourselves Smile And subscribe to the podcast For crying out loud We got Find what makes you happy. Don't abuse yourselves. Smile. And subscribe to the podcast, for crying out loud. We got, May was our biggest month yet. We have so many new fans. It's crazy.

Thank you so much. Welcome. Yeah, welcome. We're going to all do this together. We're going to fight this thing. We're going to start a revolution in our minds. We'll first start with a revolution in our heads Get our heads right Because we can't love anyone else

Until we love ourselves So wear condoms Protect yourself From bad energy And STDs And I'll catch you next week We got a very special guest I won't tell you who

I'm going to keep you on the guessing But you're going to enjoy it It's the second time I've talked to this guest And it's just a very interesting guy Or girl Or dog We're not going to tell you which one it is But I hope you enjoyed the show

I'll see you next week We got big guests coming up The whole next half of the season got big guests coming up. The whole next half of the season. Fucking big guests. And I hope you enjoy it. Be safe out there. And I will catch you sometime during the summertime. But Arno,

give me something nice. Give me something sweet. And don't be so pessimistic. Every time, now I've been listening to his line of notes and he sometimes goes on these rants, like, oh, we're all fucked, we're all fucked. So listen to the end. Let's see what he says this time.

But I love you guys, and I will catch you next week or whenever I see you. All right, take care of yourselves. Well, thank you for listening to episode 48 of Andy Fresco's World Saving Podcast, produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Angelow and Chris Lawrence. Please subscribe and rate the show on iTunes and Spotify so we can make this a worldwide phenomenon.

For info on the show, please head to our Instagram at worldsavingpodcast. For more info on the blog and tour dates, head to andyfresco.com. Now, there are some kick-ass tunes on our latest album change of pace did you listen this week's guest is spafford find them online on spafford.net s-p-a-f-f-o-r-d spafford special co-host for this week is yeti yes thei, but not the abominable one. This week's special guests are Ari Feinling and Arda Bakker. Now, last night, my gateway drug to the incredible flavors of the New Orleans melting pot passed away. The doctor, Mike Rabinick, Dr. John, is no longer with us. The man who introduced me to the wide spectrum of New Orleans

musical styles all incorporated in his recorded vast musical legacy. With that second line, jazz, gospel, boogie-woogie, his voodoo and rock'n'roll all mixed up woven into the most exciting mix of music I ever heard. Where I found an infinite space in the clave-based grooves and an ever-ending joy in joining in. Where emotions came easy and still do, his version of Indian Red

truly knocked me out this morning. Party grooves that make me cry like a fish and that make body parts twerk that don't move to any other sort of mood. So, thank you for getting me addicted, Mr. Rabanek. May you rest in peace.