Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 49: Gary Gulman (Comedian) & Kyle Ayers (Comedian)

Episode Date: June 18, 2019

Episode 49 features comedians and we talk all things comedy. Andy’s co-host is Kyle Ayers who talks about mental health and doing comedy in a yogurt shop. This primes for legend Gary Gulman. The guys talk about Gary’s new special, his worst bomb, and much, much more. This is episode 49 and we’re live all around the world. Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. We're big fans of Gary Gulman's, follow him at www.garygulman.com Get yourself some comedy tips here twitter.com/GaryGulman Check out Andy's new album, "Change Of Pace" on iTunes and Spotify Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Ahri Findling Brian Schwartz   Arno Bakker 

fresco dude bro unbelievable show the other night with ty glass i knew you were talented i didn't know you could do fucking stand-up let's get this shit on the road i think you could fucking do a whole country tour fucking rip that shit open man anyways let's get together and keep fucking killing it on the mic Hey Schwartz listen I got your message about going on the road and doing stand up pull your

head out of your ass you're not a comedian you're barely funny and the best thing about you is your show your podcast is kind of funny, but mostly just the production stuff. You are a great entertainer. You are a great songwriter. Well, you're an okay songwriter. You will be a great songwriter. Your band is awesome. Your show is incredible. Stop with this comedian shit. You're not a comedian. You're not funny.

You should have gone down that path 15 years ago, and by now you might be funny. But you even asking me if you can go on the road is mildly challenging. So just get your shit together. Pull your head out of your ass. Focus. Stay focused, okay? Don't be a jack-of-all-trades, master of none. Try to master one thing.

All right, get your shit together. And we're here, back, still breathing, a little hungover. That's what New York does to you. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I've got a very special co-host with me. One of the funniest people I ever met in my life. Saddest person I've ever met in my life, too. Ah, the correlation.

Is it causation? Is it correlation? What's up, Kyle Ayers? How you doing? Thanks for having me. What the fuck is going on? I'll be honest with you. You're a lot happier than I've ever seen you.

Yeah. You got a girlfriend. You're probably fucking on the regs now. Yeah. Your comedy is doing good. Your podcast is kicking ass, right? Yeah. And what's going on?

It's funny how it's all like relative handicapping. You're like, you're happiest I've ever seen you. We will not compare you to, let's say, any dog. How hard is this fucking comedy game, dude? It is hard. I mean, you know, because you talk to guys who, you've talked to, like, guys who are, like, wildly successful. And they're still like, man, I got to do this two minutes. It's like seeing people who are like beyond the pinnacle I could ever see myself at still being neurotic about it is good and bad. But I mean, it's good because I'm like, OK, that means it never goes away.

And if you're hungry and you love doing it, you're hungry and you love doing it forever. The bad is like it never goes away. Are you like a type of guy, like a finish guy? Finish line type of guy? Where like you want to see like you pass a finish line or you just want to keep progressing? I don't really. I've always thought I was that, but then every time I've ever got to what...

Like let's say if three years ago Kyle could call me now, he'd be like, this is insane. Look how good you're doing. Yeah. But now Kyle is like, none of like i just never it feels like you cross a finish line and it's the start of another thing or you're like it's not the finish line it's the pit and you're just getting new tires put on to go do it again um but through each lap that you do do you feel more confident in yourself and in your career oh yeah or is it

like a i feel great then tomorrow I feel like a piece of shit? Well, I think I have a mental disease that makes me do that. What? I mean, I've gone for the amount of different therapists and psychiatrists I've seen. I've had two tell me that I have bipolar disorder and one medicated me for it and I hated it and kind of just quit taking it. Gary talked about that too yeah um about like having the wrong prescriptions have wrong antidepressants and stuff so i've been to six or seven therapists psychiatrists and one like forced counselor who is like a psychiatrist

just having like a mental breakdown moving not liking them one time like i saw a therapist check their phone once and it's just a thing that they do it's what people do you know what i mean we'll talk sometimes and one of us will pull our phone out and we're not like oh fuck you know i get like and yes the therapist is at work but then i'm just like oh this person hates me or i'm not interesting yeah and then i just will never go back to them. Even though I'm like one of 50 people that, you know what I mean? Yeah. Now that you've been in New York and LA, like what's the difference between the comedy scenes?

Like from LA to New York? I would say they're fairly, for me, they're fairly similar because which a lot of people will be like, will disagree with. But I just kind of carve out what I like doing and I run a lot of my own shows and then i like to do stand-up but i'm not really like a three times a night at a club stand-up because i'm also a little bit uh weirder and i don't mean that like a however

there's a lot of weird people that do great in clubs but like it's just kind of a different thing you got like this like kind of yeah it's like this awkward right and lots of times the jokes aren't the part of the jokes no it's you and it's reactionary and it's me doing and so it's like you have to do it i'm not up there like this i don't think other people could do my jokes yeah because i think i found a way to how i sound is so but i just never was like a club guy i don't really know if I was an alt guy. But that's all kind of merging together. So you don't think you're a club guy?

I could do clubs. I've done clubs. I do clubs on the road all the time. And I just think there are people who grind the cellar here, like 15 spots a week or something like that. And that's so amazing and so hard. And I'm just like like I have a hard time doing the same joke

the same way twice. Yeah. Man, you're like the fish of the comedy scene. Right. Yeah. 1% of the population knows about me

but they love it. And then everyone's like shouldn't this one have ended an hour ago? Oh my God. But it's true, man. But it is like i think it's but you even see like i was just talking i think about fish something it's such a weird the merging of alternative and mainstream is happening oh they're really what it was the alternative comedy scene when i was coming up in

new york was like bushwick and williamsburg and these brooklyn shows that are in the backs of bars and people are just putting on these weird and now those people are writing saturday night live and performing all over and doing radio city music hall and they're still like well you're not alternative if you're on if you're on saturday night live it's the most famous comedy thing ever yeah that's mainstream and that's great it's just everyone's kind of realized but what about like the comedy clubs um like second city and all those even with like improv and everything like that people really because the improvisers that's like the people who make up the cast of silicon valley the people who make up the cast in parks and recreation all of the people these it is it was alternative and underground but the internet has helped to where

you can kind of find enough of an audience to all to be okay yeah and there are and i guess you could still call it alternative because there's really not too many comedians everyone knows about anyways but there's so many parallels with music i think about it all the time where it's like you could maybe be like i'm not like all you know like alt rock because that's actually like alternative means something else in music than it does in comedy but like you're able to find people from playing in front of 12 people years ago and then all 12 of those people will come out next time with three people and then all 36 of those people will come out next time with two friends each and then you're doing the rooms and doing what you want to do yeah and it's and a lot of it comes from i mean you can build build an audience doing a podcast you can

build an audience online you're releasing your music on your own terms um you're you could just kind of while it is it seems like it might be the hardest time ever to get rich doing art. It might be the easiest time ever to eat. Yeah, that makes sense. Because you have different avenues to get your point across instead of like the Saturday Night Live, like when it used to be just like, well, Saturday Night Live. It was like Chris Farley was making $0 a year from comedy

and then was on Saturday Night Live. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but how do these guys survive making $40 a night at the cellar? Hopefully people listen to your podcast. I mean, it is true. Hopefully people come out to see you on the road because everyone goes to the cellar. I know Sam Murill, one of the funniest dudes. He tapes all of his sets, cuts up the clips, puts them on Instagram with the captioning.

Like, you know, the stand-up you see. And he does it every day and gets all the hashtags on there. And it is... It works. And he's so funny because he is good at...

His jokes are great at that. His jokes are like, here's this funny thing. And it's topical. He can write every day. And so it's incredible. But he's always writing a new set then.

Always writing a new set. At least a new joke or two to tape to put on Instagram. I don't know his exact process. I haven't talked to him about it. But every day, he seems always writing a new set then always writing a new set at least a new joke or two to tape to put on instagram i don't know his exact process i haven't talked to him about it but every day he seems to have a new joke about this about this about that and then people are like oh when do you come i want to check out when do you come to virginia and he's like here's my dates when you come to indianapolis here's my dates boom people start coming out the shows and then it just that's how it builds what's the most awkward show you had to like do stand-up for um oh what what this is actually it went it ended up being not a joke the funniest thing i've

ever seen at a comedy show but i was with these comedians chris caljero ryan beck and shelly hamilton very funny and chris cal who's really good friends with Gary, Chris Cal was like... Gary Goldman. He's on the show tonight. Chris Cal was like, you want to go out and do a show in Jersey at a yogurt shop? And he was like, it pays 30 bucks. And we're like, oh, fuck you.

It's going to take my whole night up and make me sad? I'll do it for $30. Oh, there's yogurt that we can't afford and we get there and we thought it would be like you know how there's like like little towns especially in the northeast all have little like cobblestone walkways with like independent stores now this was at a yogurt land this was like in a mall so we get there it takes us hours to get out of the city because we're like, let's leave at five and drive. Nightmare. So we get there late, way late.

We arrive and realize it is the thing that is happening. Like the store is closed for the private show at the New York Comedians. And then what was the worst part was it was all ages. And I mean, there are babies. There are two-year-olds. There's probably 50 people there. And it's every age, like two, four, six, eight. Most of them are 15 or 60.

But there's people who are 90. And you're just like, nothing funny can happen here. It's fluorescent lighting. People are eating yogurt, like frozen yogurt. Like you're going to tell a joke and then you hear, and then someone's like, that weighs eight ounces. And so I'm like, this is going to be worse. This is so uncomfortable.

And Chris Calame is like a host because he just wants to go and get it over with. He goes up. He's talking. People are like listening. And then he's talking to like a kid about Adventure Time, like a 10-year-old. And the kid's like people are like listening and then he's talking like a kid about adventure time like a 10 year old and the kid's like i love adventure time they're talking and it's like it's whatever and we're like okay this is so awkward and then shelly goes up awkward ryan goes up awkward and i'm like well if they didn't like them my jokes are probably

more offensive than anyone who's gone up i was like i can't do stand-up i can't do this i can't do this i can't i just it was not going great we're still at a yogurt shop and so on the way to the stage for whatever reason i was like you know what i'm just gonna play a game when i get on stage and i mean i'm talking like it is a mic into a guitar amp sitting in the corner of a yogurt shop and everyone is sitting on like those orbs like because it's a yogurt store and so i'm like all right let's play a game we're gonna play the newlywed game here's what we're gonna do i was like are you two a couple and i point to these two like 14 year old or like 15 year olds and they're like yeah and i was like okay great come here and i was like are you two a couple and i point to this like six-year-old

couple who was like the only people who had fun and they're like yeah like they're like jerseys motherfuckers you've ever seen like they're tan and like this is like dude is like a jolly large man who's you know what i mean like just jersey people and so i was like here's what we're gonna do you two men come sit here you two women go back there i'm gonna ask them some questions and then 15 year olds and the 60 year old I'm going to ask the 15 year old and 60 year old man questions and then the two women have to come back and try and answer the questions the same way

the newlywed game in the yogurt land so the two girls leave and I start asking these guys questions and it's like kind of funny everyone is at least interested because they're like, what is happening? So then the women come back and I was like, okay, first question, where will he say is his favorite place to go with you?

And immediately the woman is like, oh, we have, we go like, we like to go to Puerto Rico every year. And the guy holds up a sign and says, we like to go to Puerto Rico every year. Crushes. Cause this whole couple of crushes. And then the young girl is like, we love to go to the movies. And he holds up a sign and says, we like to go to Puerto Rico every year. Crushes. Because this whole couple crushes. And then the young girl is like, we love to go to the movies. And he holds up a sign and says, my truck. And so it's like, the relationship has been established. The old couple is going to crush these kids at this game.

And so the young couple starts fighting a little bit about getting it wrong. And the old guy is like, dude, you've got to get on the same page as her. Just like hassling this kid. So then a few more questions go by and the old couple is getting laughs yeah yeah people are starting to get real really the people who are crushing are the older couple yeah because they are kind of sexual yeah and older so it makes it okay yeah because if it's an old couple and they and they kiss and everything everyone's okay with it yeah but if kids are doing it in front of kids

it's different yeah and then the young couple's getting zero questions right and like they might be breaking up when this is over it's then last question if the game is over i'm like last question uh what did he say is his favorite thing about you and then the older woman immediately like says something in spanish and i was like what and then the guy holds up a sign and it has the same thing in spanish written on there and i was like how do you and people go and i'm like what does that even mean and then the older woman goes it means uh your big fat ass and it gets the biggest laugh i've ever seen in my life because little kids get to hear ass and feel okay about it older couples old people are

still sexual you know what i mean so it's fun for them they're all like into it goes place goes crazy chris cowell's like end it end it end it and for some dumb fucking reason i went to ask the kids the same question even though they're boring and so this girl and she has got like purple she looks like one of scott like the girl from scott pilgrim like purple swiped over hair you know what i mean and then the kid is like kind of abercrombie bro and so i'm like what did he say is his favorite thing about you and she goes i don't know and i was like well just just answer please so we can go home and she's like i don't want to answer and i mean for minutes you kept them i'm like come on we just got to get an answer and it's like so all of the energy dies you know what i mean momentum is very real yeah and i was like just answer what is his

favorite thing about you and she goes i don't want to answer and he goes just answer and then she goes i just know he really likes my hair and he holds a sign up and it says not her hair he's the funniest thing i've ever seen in my life. Not her hair. And I mean, the place erupts like they all won the lottery. The old guy fell out of his chair. And it's the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. Oh, my God.

So that's the reason why you do these fucking shows. And you say yes to these yogurt things. You have to. But it's also you could get these gems of a night where it could change your perspective that are the yogurt shop without the fun but then i've never lost you know i mean it's gonna be the next day no matter what tomorrow so what i do in between there doesn't it's like a net you know what i mean it's like i could whatever who is this man i'm talking to this is a way different fucking man i mean it's

like i try and keep everything really really in some sort of perspective i am like sad and distraught and like broken down by why there's wild amounts of failure. On the macro scale, I'm terrified. Yeah. And I'm sad. Yeah. And I'm upset. Me too. And it's a struggle and I don't know

if it's gonna happen. But on the micro scale, it's Wednesday. Tomorrow, it will be tomorrow at 9 a.m. no matter what I do between here and then. So I might as well do it.

Yeah. Yo, one last thing. You know anything about gary goldman yeah what do you know very funny probably could say is the funniest stand-up comedian that there is why is it uh i mean he's like if you talk to comedians and you're like who is the best at comedy he will come come up. And it's just someone who, there's just people who, he's just been the funniest stand-up comedian for so, so long. He works harder than everybody. He's tall, handsome.

He's the tallest dude ever. He is so, he's so funny. And his joke writing is so specific and unique that sometimes when I would be like going to open mics and stuff when I started, you'd be like, oh, this guy is a fan of Gary Goldman Goldman I can tell by how he's not funny and trying to be Gary like it's like you can't repeat it yeah you can't hear bands all the time you're like oh you really like this band but you're not good at it yeah this is he is Gary going is maybe the funniest community

in the world like there's not that many perfect bits if there's a hundred perfect bits, he has ten of them. Ever. It's crazy. What? Of all time? If there's a hundred perfect bits ever written, ten of them would be Gary Goldman's. Holy shit. It's crazy. Well, we got Gary on the show and he talks about mental health a lot in this

because he's doing a documentary with Judd Apatow. And they do stand-up for 40 minutes, and then 20% of it is they interview his therapist. Oh, wow. And they talk about mental health in the comedy world. You fought a bunch of demons, too. I'm proud that you're happy here.

I'm proud to be your friend. That's the crazy thing about Judd Apatow doing 40 minutes of stand-up. That's probably one joke for him. Enjoy Gary Goldman. Thanks for being on the show, Kyle. Yeah. This is Todd Glass. I have a 2019 Netflix special called Act Happy.

But that's not what we're here to talk about. Andy, I want you to be in your best behavior for this interview. I mean, don't ask Gary Goldman to lay on his back, put his feet up in the air in his hands, so you could do a one-person crowd surf. I mean, come on. I love that you are interviewing Gary, and I love that you went and saw him when he was in New York. He is great. Gary Goldman,

great's not a great. I could do better than great. He is touring around the country right now, and he is talking about something which I love. I love when you can do comedy but talk about an issue. The issue is depression, and it's funny first and informational, and it's just, it's everything. That's right, it's everything. Why am I nervous introducing Gary Goldman? Well, I want it to be a good intro. I want people to be like, wow, this Gary Goldman. Well, I want it to be a good intro. I want people to be like, wow, this Gary Goldman

guy. And Andy, I want you to trim your toenails for this interview. I mean, come on. I mean, he's a big deal. I mean, Judd Apatow is producing his new HBO special. Right? Pretty fancy, right? And if you want to get familiar with him before you watch him on or listen to him on Andy's show, he has some great, great, great Conan O'Brien appearances. I think there's like 10 or 12 of them he's been on there over the past few years. And they're just tight and they're funny. And that's it. So enjoy this interview.

Two of my favorite people, and I'm not lying. I'll just start the show. I'm exhausted. Love, Todd Klass. VH1. Oh, VH1. That I Love the 90s series. They show it on the classics sometimes.

They don't love the 90s. Not like we do. All they do in that show was mock the 90s, make fun of everybody that I loved. And it was always people I'd never heard of. Making fun of people that I worshipped. Like Hammer. Ha ha ha, the man was an icon.

Breakfast cereal, cartoon. Saturday morning cartoon. Do you know how hard it was to get a Saturday morning cartoon? Very hard. Very hard. And he had one and a breakfast cereal. And they make fun of him on VH1's I Love the Night. They call him corny and everything like that.

All right. He's fallen on hard times. But you know what? He did bring hip-hop to a nation of naive, sheltered, adolescent, suburban honkies. And if that's wrong, I don't want to be white.

Here's how big he was. There's not a person my age who hears the word stop and doesn't immediately think hematoma. You don't say it, people would make fun of you, but you think it, and if somebody ever said it, you'd be like, oh, we are on the

same page right there. I was thinking it, I didn't want to say it, thank you for saying it. Stop Hammer Time. To a lesser extent you might think, stop, collaborate, and listen. Yes. Collaborate.

An interesting choice for a 90s rap lyric. What exactly did he want us to collaborate on? Listen, it's artistic license. I understand it was the right number of syllables, but still. And they make fun of him, too, the Iceman, Vanilla Ice. Because he hasn't had a hit in a while. And he certainly hasn't had the acting career of the Ice's Tea and Cube. But he did put a lot of 8th grade grade asses on the eighth grade dance floor, also

known as the cafeteria. And for that, I say thank you, Vanilla Ice. I say don't worry, gato, Vanilla Ice. I don't make fun of him. And I certainly don't commit blasphemy and say, oh, I didn't even like that song, Ice Ice Baby. Yeah, you did. Yes, you did.

If you're a mammal, you like Ice Ice Baby. It is an innate reaction to that song. When you're alone in your car, when there's nobody around to judge you, when you're rolling in your 5.0 with the rag top down so your hair can blow, all of a sudden out of nowhere, out of the ether, you hear... You turn up the volume and pray it's not Queens Under Pressure. Holy shit. Yes. We're here Hey Gary

Hi Andy Frasco This is so fucking weird This is how full circle this is Todd Glass was talking about you And all of a sudden I'm like yeah awesome I didn't know who you were I knew you were like Legendary Canadian

It doesn't bother me Most people have not read The Great Gatsby. Right? I always think about that. You ask most people, yeah, I never read it. And it's considered the greatest novel of all time. So if people haven't heard of me, I'm not ashamed by that. No, but they should because you're a fucking...

I looked into it and talked to all my comedian friends. And you are looked up to so much by all these guys. That's so nice to hear. Let me talk about how I found out about Andy Frasco. I was at Todd Glass's house and he said something. And the part I remember was, and I'll fake quote it because I don't have the exact words he said, but quote, it's sort of like seeing Bruce Springsteen at the Stone Pony.

In Asbury Park? Yeah. And then he put you on. He put you on his TV. It was a YouTube clip of you in Amsterdam and you were imploring the people of Amsterdam to move to the left Amsterdam to move to the left and to move to the right

and so infrequently do you say to yourself wow I've never seen anything like this before and I was an instant fan I was blown away and so inspired too and Todd Glass is

just the right person to introduce you to new things and music is a great love of his so he's helped me out and he loves my shit so much that it's like well once you see it how do you

how do you not I took a deep no I've listened to all your albums I've taken a deep dive, including A Change of Pace, which I'm so tempted to spend the entire hour talking about because it's so great. I could talk about the cover of Change of Pace for a while because you put a lot of effort into what was in that picture, right?

That's just my living room. Really? Really? You have the Encyclopedia Britannica bound in your living room? Yeah, I do. Wow. I bought a bunch of law books from Kansas

because I got arrested in Kansas. Oh, shoot. For like a half a gram of weed. Oh my gosh. I feel like comedians and musicians go through this thing. Because Change of Pace is about mental health. Okay.

So it's my new special. Yeah, I heard with Judd Apatow, right? Judd Apatow is producing it. And it's like 80% stand-up and then 20%. What are you guys talking about? Yeah, well, we interview my psychiatrist who saw me through my hospitalization. Hold on, what happened with your hospitalization? Oh, I went crazy.

What happened? I was just, my girlfriend who stuck with me through this whole thing said you were pretty much catatonic at the time. And so there was sort of an intervention and I went into the psych ward and it's nothing. For what though? For depression and anxiety. Was it just over?

But it was just deep, deep Were you taking medication? Yeah, I was taking it, but none of it worked Yeah, after a while I finally found a combination that works now What is it? Remeron and Cymbalta Okay

Cymbalta is an antidepressant and Remeron is an antipsychotic used off-label But what was getting you angst? Just, it was just, if you've been through depression, none of it is realistic. I was financially secure.

I had a great girlfriend. I had a great career. And then all of a sudden my chemicals started telling me I was worthless and doomed. Were you overworked or were you sleep deprived? Nothing? No.

So it just came up like, hey, motherfucker, what's up? Well, I had experienced episodes in my life, but never anything that lasted this long. I remember in junior high and high school, my grades and everything would be much better in the fall and in the spring. And in the winter, I would just fall apart and be really sad and lonely and just unmotivated and felt lethargic and fatigued all the time for no reason. So it would last like three months. But this one lasted over over two years and i i white knuckled it for a while and then i and then i fell apart there was a time when i could when i could perform i would sleep all day wake up perform do a meet and greet and then fall apart in the hotel room and holy yeah and be and be like suicidal

and then sleep all day the next day, wake up, do the show, and then it got to the point where I was shaking so bad on stage my voice wasn't working. I was like, I can't even perform. What was the worst anxiety attack you have on stage? Did you ever chew anyone out or did you just leave the stage?

Well, no. Did you always fight through it? No, the adrenaline always got me through the shows, but there was a lot of canceling of shows. And you know this as a performer who brings it every night. To me, quitting is not walking off the stage. Quitting is giving 80% or 75%, right?

I mailed it in a lot. And it was clear. And it was clear. And I wasn't, I didn't, all my clothes were wrinkled. Is there pressure to be great every set? No. No. Or new material every year yeah that that that probably took a toll on me

that that there was a there was a writer's block that was that was going on about the time of my of my depression like what was it like i just couldn't i couldn't come up with any any new ideas and just the idea of ideas overwhelms me. Like, I would say things to myself like I have no ideas. I have no ideas. I remember looking at a whiteboard that I had my new jokes on and just trashing everything that was on there. Were you overthinking the jokes?

Yeah, probably. But also, there's, and you know this from a song, if you have no confidence in it, you're not going to be able to deliver it and you'll feel lousy about it and it'll show to the audience. And it's just, I don't know how you have to, I don't know how you get through the idea that everything has to rhyme. I just go up there and tell stories. And eventually I will say something funny, but you have to rhyme.

Oh, dude. Every few seconds there has to be a rhyme. Those constraints, like I always, when I give advice to people, I say, put some limits into your act so that you can breed some creativity. Because if you can write about everything, you're going to be overwhelmed by the idea.

But the limit of having to rhyme. And I know that some, like I heard an interview with Amy Mann, and she was saying, for me, maybe it's a compulsion. She said it can't be even close to a rhyme. Some people will give themselves the benefit of the doubt on something that's close to rhyming. And she's like, it has to be an exact rhyme. And that is just overwhelming to me.

I really envy and admire you guys to no end. Well, I counterpoint to that. I sat in with Todd at a comedy club where I played a song and shit. And when you're forced to be funny at those places, that's where I get inside. I'm cool with doing jokes on stage when I know there's a backbone. It's like, oh, if I fuck up a joke, hey, let's where I get inside. Like, I'm cool with, like, doing jokes on stage when I know there's a backbone. It's like, oh, if I fuck up a joke, hey, let's play another song. Right. You have no one else but yourself.

Yeah. That's pretty fearless, bro. Right. But 25 years in, man. Yeah. 25 years, right? Confidence. Yeah, confidence.

From that and knowing that you can get out of any situation and also that you'll live if you don't get out of it. What was the worst bomb you ever had? Oh, geez. I remember one night, the first time I came to New York to audition for a manager, manager, manager with an office. A manager, manager. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And he had clients and an office and connections. And I went up at this place. It's still in business, but it's much bigger now. It used to seat about 100 people, and now it seats like 500 people. It's called Gotham Comedy Club. And I went on stage, and I had been preparing this five, no, 10 minutes. It was a 10-minute set that they gave me, which was pretty good for an audition set.

And I ran through the material, the 10 minutes of material in about four or five minutes because nobody laughed at anything. Really? I said nothing. Not a giggle, nothing. Did that fuck you up? Totally.

And so I had five minutes left and I said, and I'd done my last joke. I said, good night. But the emcee was a smoker and felt that he had plenty of time. And he did. He did, if I had any jokes. And so I'm calling for him, and then I realize he's not going to be back for a while. So I go into jokes that, by the way, weren't good enough to make this lousy set. So the second tier jokes.

Yes. The second tier jokes. The second tier jokes, yeah. And I continued to bomb. And then I remember the manager had asked me, he said, and after the set, we'll go out to dinner, we'll talk about your career. And that went right out the window. He was like, maybe you ought to go back to Boston. Is the comedy industry very pessimistic yes like what tell me about it well like what's it seem like people are insecure i were people are very insecure and also the thing is well nobody's ever done that i remember one manager saying to me and then i said i just want to do stand-up and build an audience.

And they said, well, you need to be on a TV show or have a movie or something along those lines to get the fans. And I said, but that is such a long shot to get a movie and a TV show. And then even if you do, you might not get fans. I feel like I'd rather, I'd have more fun if I just did stand up along the way. And he said, well, tell me somebody else who hasn't done it. And I said, I don't have time to look up who else has done it. I'm sure they have, but if they haven't, then let me be the first one. I'll be the first one. And that was just, they laugh at you when you say, I'll be the first one. And I would probably do the same thing.

I remember being in a meeting with my agents a long time ago. And they said, what do you want to do? And I said, well, Conan is going to take over The Tonight Show in a few years. And somebody will have to take over the tonight show in a few years and and somebody will have to take over the late show and they all laughed and i was like oh you should have kept that one to yourself it is an absurd notion to host the late show not dream big yeah i know why not what do they have to lose what do you have to lose yeah What do you have to lose? Yeah, that's the thing. I have a friend who's going to meet a manager today,

and I said, tell them your biggest ideas, because those are the ones you're going to get excited about, and the right manager will get behind you on. Who's the first person that told you, hey, gig this, do this long route. Do this slow grind. Hit every comedy store. Did anyone tell you that? Any of those comedians that was a big mentor to you back then?

Nobody said that. But there were so many people in comedy who were encouraging and told me essentially, no, this business is really screwed up and nobody knows who you are. But I had a manager who said regarding audiences, they will find you just to have faith in that, that the audiences will find you. And I believed it. And that was so so helpful and and just blind faith i mean when you start you started at 19 it was an absurd idea to think you would ever get to where you are now but if you can maintain that same belief and faith from where you are now you can get anywhere because it really shouldn't be here at 19 you should have somewhere along the way said

you know and i'll just be an anr man and i'll be adjacent to to music and instead you're a world traveling renowned i mean oh man andy i just love your work i so let's talk about someday yeah is it do you love that song as much as i love it on the record it's my favorite song on that on that record it's so beautiful there's hope there's hope and there's also a reference to saturday cartoons which is so evocative man i just that that broke here i didn't know you're this big of a fan man this really means a lot not that long but one thing about me that's that's interesting and probably common amongst people like us is when we

find something we love, we get really into it. That's with Todd, dude. Todd tattooed my name on his arm. No! I swear to fucking God, dude. No way! I love Todd, dude. He's the most beautiful person. Every time I have a bad day, I hit up Todd.

Good for you. I mean, he's the most beautiful person. Every time I have a bad day, I hit up Todd. Good for you. I mean, he's the... No, not my mother. My girlfriend and Todd are the two people, no matter what I'm doing, they call, I pick up. Yeah. Yeah. What does Todd tell you about this depression? What does Todd tell you about this depression?

Todd gave me the best speech during another episode that I had. He said, I understand what you're going through, and you can feel sad, and you can feel depressed and hopeless, but you can't lose sight of the fact that you are so good at this. You're so good at comedy and you're, you're so appreciated and respected. And, and the reality is, is not matching up to what you have in your head where you want to give up and you, and you feel talentless. And, and he just, he gave me pep talks like that so frequently. And the fact that I admire him and respect him so much and know how, one of my favorite quotes is by, have you ever heard of the author Tobias Wolfe? Okay, so he said, we know what we hold sacred when we recoil from impiety. piety and Todd holds comedy sacred the way the Pope holds the New Testament and, and the Catholic church sacred.

I mean, Todd Glass worships comedy. So the fact that he, he respected me and, and loved me, it was, it was enough. It was, it was being, it's like being knighted. Yes. Yeah, totally. So what were you, go back to those expectations what were your expectations if that just says i just wanted to fulfill my potential and thereby do right by this thing comedy that i that i revere and i felt at different times in in my career that i was that i was not able to either I wouldn't early on, I'll never be able to do it right

because you suck when you start and you have good taste and that's all you have and you go out there and you don't live up to what you hold as good comedy and then there comes a time and this is what happened a few years ago where I'm like I can't write another good joke i've run out of ideas and i have no confidence in my in myself and there's there's also this this thing and and i i see it in in music too where where some guys just put their pen down yeah they say i've i'm i'm done i don't have the energy to, and I don't. That's what you talk about in your notes

or like when you send those tweets. I read all those. Oh, really? Because I relate to those because it doesn't have to be a musician. It doesn't have to be a comedian. It's just about creating. Yeah.

Because I have to tell myself, you know, I'm better, like I'm doing this right now, man. Like my manager's like, oh, you got to put out a new record now. The buzz is here. We got to come on. Work hard, work hard. I know you're touring. I'm like, right now, man. My manager's like, oh, you got to put out a new record now. The buzz is here. We got to come on.

Work hard. Work hard. I know you're touring. I'm like, okay, cool. So how do I get back to my brain, back into writing mode and not just touring and working on little bits inside the show that, oh, this got a laugh in Cincinnati. Let's see if it gets a laugh in the East Coast type of thing. Yeah. And go back into creating new stuff. And all these, dude, you are teaching these fucking comedians.

I think this is more than just comedians. This is everyone. This could be for athletes. This could be for anyone trying to achieve a high goal in creating. Like, what gave you this idea to like, was it like coffee? I'm not lying. Coffee? It was December 31st

and I was sitting with my girlfriend. You don't do coke or anything, right? No, just weed. Acid. Just weed, never acid, never shrooms. Wow. I've only felt safe doing weed. Doing weed.

Smoking weed. And so I was sitting there on New Year's Eve, and last year I had become vegan for a resolution. And I was looking for a resolution because for some reason, if I don't start at the beginning of something, I don't follow't follow through and i said to her i said what do you think and i was very very wired on coffee i felt like you're hungry like a god or no i'm probably eating but i felt like i felt like a god on this particular cup of coffee and i said what would you what do you think people would think if I put out a tip every day in 2019, not realizing that that's 365 tips?

And she said, I think the people will love it. And I said, that's it. I'm doing it. And before I could really think it through, I tweeted out, starting tomorrow, I will tweet a tip every day. But that's, I think, that could be a tip. Promise something that's going to be nearly impossible before the coffee wears off.

So before the coffee, so how many tips did you have in your pocket on that day one? I probably had like 25 things that I had told people over the years. Like I knew that I had told people over the years. I knew that I had heard about guys giving two-hour lectures at comedy clubs and charging people for it, and I was very inspired by sort of the punk rock ethic of just give it away and go around those types of commerce type things

because it can be so gross. And then my friend had shared with me a quote that Gary Shandling had said. And it said that it's so infrequent that you have opportunities to get outside the commerce and the money aspect of art. You should take the opportunity. So that was motivation for it. And then, of course, you should take the opportunity. So that was motivation for it. And then, of course, the feedback

from it was so positive that I... It blew up, it felt like. Really? So did it blow up from tip one? When you first tweeted, hey, I'm doing this. And then the fuck, oh, dude, Gary's giving us the inside dirt. Yeah, because the first couple were really surprising

to people. Because I didn't realize it because I wasn't on Twitter that much. But everybody was like, no, you don't understand. This is a cesspool of hate. You're giving something away. That's what I'm saying. Did you get flack? Like, oh, fucking pretentious motherfucker. Every once in a while, somebody will say that.

And I would be lying if I didn't say it. It hurt you? Yeah, it hurts. But now I usually have my girlfriend or somebody else delete or block or put away those things before they get to me. Because they're really weird. I mean, I'm sure you're the same. We're so sensitive. That's what I'm saying.

Like, why do we? I look at that, too. I've been getting a little more popular. I'm on fan pages now. I will look at some comments, but I won't even... I'll acknowledge all the nice ones, but I will think about that one fucking guy. Yeah, of course.

I'm like, fuck, why is that? Because we're incredibly sensitive and there's part of us that doesn't believe in us and thinks we're frauds. But that's a part of artistic makeup as well as depression. But I had another question for you because I'm blown away that you didn't play an instrument until you were 19. So what was it? You picked up piano?

Piano. I had a piano in my house. And I just I've always wanted to be an entertainer. So I was like DJing bar mitzvahs when I was 13 and just like emceeing Battle of the Bands.

I knew that could only take me so far and everyone just called me. One thing that offends me is when everyone just says like, oh, he's just a good entertainer. Just? Yeah. Just a good entertainer? First of all, that's a really hard thing to be and to do.

And to have that and then grow into the musician and performer, it's remarkable. Gary, you got to be my therapist, dude. If Todd isn't available to talk, I can talk you through things. Thanks, man. Because I get through these fucking walls, man. I'd be happy to. No, I understand that.

I mean, Todd used to tell me that that was why I was good at this. Because I take it so hard and I take it so seriously. But the other thing is, we've fought through all this. And there might be part of us that thinks, well, if I don't torture myself, it won't be good. But I think we can do better without the torture because I've had periods without the torture and I thrive. And I thrive.

Give me that moment. The past two years. Yeah. I thrive. Give me that moment. The past two years. Since October of 2017 till now, I've created two hours of comedy. The prior two and a half years, I created four or five minutes.

And I had never created this much material in so short a time in my life and people I'm sure will tell you well past 28 you're really not that creative anymore but it's complete bullshit why do you think they say that because they're scared to like dig deeper than just like the idea and they see this is from philosopher Steven Pinker

they see anecdote as trend and trend as epidemic. Just so-and-so didn't write anything after this age, so there's no... So you're not going to do it. Yeah. Right? So, yeah.

And there's all kinds of ageism, and a lot of people give up. So that's why they didn't get through that. And you never know that the finish line was right around the corner if you give up. And it probably is. There's a great Churchill quote, if you're going through hell, keep going.

Because you'll eventually get out of it. Yeah. Tell me, what's the first memory you ever had of making someone laugh? Well, I would say in first grade, the first time, the teacher asked, what is a chick? And one of the smart kids in the class said, a baby chicken. And then I, without raising my hand, said, or a girl. And what, did you get a laugh? And everybody laughed.

And the teacher laughed. And she had to stop herself. I was six. Holy shit. And I was hooked. I was hooked on that. But basketball was the first thing I put all my energy and time into. So you're the same as me, man. But you were always this tall? Yeah, I was always the tallest kid in my class, yeah. was the first thing I put all my energy and time into.

But you were always this tall? Yeah, I was always the tallest kid in my class. You were a center? I played center, but I had more of a European game. I didn't like to mix it up. I liked to shoot long jumpers. Like Sabonis? I have the same basketball game as my comedy.

I like a lot of finesse and a lot of a lot of um preparation and and smoothness rather than rather than giant like like that's what's great about you're like the marcus aldridge of the comedy scene well i think i had have more of a of a of a dirk game a little more of a dirirk game because LaMarcus will stuff it in your face occasionally but what I love about an Andy Frasco in the UN show is

you get your killing in the name of and then you get your someday and that's really is that how your comedy is? right now it is but it took a long time to get there what was your theory on how to make a set in the beginning years is right now it is but it took a long time to to to get there what explain that like what well i what was your theory on like how to make a set in the beginning years and then just put as many

laughs as close together as as possible it was the the richard jenny the late richard jenny rule that i had heard before i even started doing it as a as a as an open mic or i had seen an interview with him, and he said, basically, you just want to put as many laughs as close together as possible. And a lot of the guys in Boston worked that way. There was this one guy named Don Gavin

who, one of the best jokes I've ever heard, he would say, I was at the casino, and they have a sign there that says, if you have a gambling problem, dial 1-800-GAMBLE. So I called him up, and I said

I have an ace and a six and the dealer's got a 10 showing and that was his type of joke like jokes like that they were quick and they were smart and he spoke very fast and he he was somebody and another guy named Paul D'Angelo who who also joke joke joke joke joke joke joke yeah yeah yeah and just pounding away. And I wanted to ask you this about your early music. Because when I first started, I was pretty much doing an impression of like a Paul Reiser. I was just, I would even think to myself, how would Paul Reiser tell this joke that I have? And was there a performer or a musician? Yeah.

Well, it was, I was thinking like comedy. I wanted to like do the Eddie Murphy. I want to do. All I cared about was my friends were all comedians. Wow. All growing up. That's awesome. And they never fucking accepted me as an artist.

Because I was always just like booking their shows and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was never part of the club. I was always just booking their shows and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was never part of the club. So that gave me angst to just throw this obscure, bring rock and roll back.

I watched shows and no one was rocking out. Yeah. Everyone was just really serious about it. Yeah, they lost the fun. That's why I love Todd. Todd is still a fucking, you know, you can see when he's like so passionate. Yes.

Even about like fucking pasta. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. But like. It is halftime at the Enni Fresco interview hour. Welcome back to Rider Review. I'm your host, Ari Finling. Today, I'm going to actually give you my writer.

A lot of people have been asking me, what's a comedian's writer like? Is it as glamorous as somebody like P. Diddy? Is it as glamorous as somebody like Mariah Carey? No, it is not. It is fucking sad. Every comedian's writer, until you get to Kevin Hart's level is bullshit. Okay. Let's go through mine. I want the green room to also be a storage closet in the comedy club. That's really beneficial for me. I like a couple of half filled bottles of Costco branded water to drink. I want the host to pronounce my name wrong 94 times. I like to be picked up by a high

school senior interning at the club who's literally never driven a car before. I like my hotel room to just be a couch in the bartender's basement. That's fun. Maybe a small DVD player with a broken copy of Hot Tub Time Machine 2. For food, I like a $9 gift card to Subway. I don't even think they sell $9 gift cards. That means somebody fucking bought a bottle of water on it and then gave it to me. And last but not least,

four porno mags from 1993 because, well, a guy's got to eat. Alright, this has been Ride or Review with Ari Finling. Good night. Yeah, so I was always in my young, but I was also fucked up on coke and just I was always in my young, but I was also fucked up on coke.

Okay. I was doing music to have sex with girls. Right. And take drugs. Yeah. And then it took me 10 years. Sure. To say, whoa, I actually love songwriting.

Yeah. You know, but that's great. Some people never figure that out and they spend their entire life just using it to get laid. Really? Even comedians? Oh, yeah. totally i would never i would never call i would never call them out i i met a lot of women doing doing comedy yeah because i i good looking dude i'm a i'm a decent looking man and nice and so yeah i mean i never early on, as tempting as it was, I was ahead of a lot of younger comedians in that I knew that the drinking and the drugs had derailed a lot of comedians. Like who? comedians and and the women well there was this one guy named named um i won't say his last name

but his name is is teddy and he was the greatest comedian any of us had ever seen and he had been on the tonight show with johnny carson and killed so hard that they had him back like a couple weeks later and then he just drank himself out of the spotlight and it was so sad. Do you think Mitch did that too? No. I think Mitch was, well, was he depressed? I don't know. I don't know what his mood was like.

I didn't know him well enough. I remember when I opened for him in Irvine, I think, and I was driving from LA to Irvine, which isn't that far, and he was like, you don't have to do that anymore. I got you a hotel. And he paid for a hotel room for me and my girlfriend and I, and he was just so nice. He bought some college kids

who didn't have an air conditioning in their dorm room. He bought them an air conditioning one weekend. I mean, he's like the nicest, sweetest, soulful, beautiful person. Did that break your heart when he passed? Totally. It broke my heart.

And also there was a part of me that was so sad for him because he was just starting to become famous. And he missed out on that because he was was like we've we've seen a lot of comedy in our days and yeah there was nobody nobody like him nobody like him what kind of what what kind of execution do you think mitch had was it a more finesse or was more smart or like what if you can consider if you're the coach of like analyzing mitch's Okay. What do you think it was? One, he had a singular persona, and he was himself at all times and in every mood.

And so that in his first two albums, there was a different pace to them, but they were both him. So he couldn't help but be himself. There's this great line in Color of Money with Paul Newman and Tom Cruise where Paul Newman says, you have to be yourself, but on purpose.

That's the nature of being a character. And Mitch was himself, but he had control over it. He could play with it, I think. And also, he was, like we are, an obsessive creator and writer and loved comedy. And that's what I would say his playbook looked like. He was himself and very quickly, long before, like I didn't feel until recently that I would say, oh, I have a voice. I didn't feel until recently that I would say, oh, I have a voice. I sound like this. This sounds like me. This joke sounds like me. I've always felt I have good jokes, but only now do I feel like I also have a certain voice and a consistent sound. sound that that took well it takes however long

it takes but you've done it incredibly quickly and I I can't imagine

like you're saying well I was just in it for the sex and the drugs and everything it's never one thing no you're right

maybe I'm just putting that off yeah because I would have tortured myself on the road for fucking years Right

And also You wouldn't have Cared about how Your Your songs were written Or sounded Or Or anything like that

You would have just Hacked it up Or done covers If that's If that's all you really wanted You would have just done No I wanted a master songwriter Because cover guys

Are getting laid too Is it hard to be yourself every day? Like when you're off stage, is that like your alter ego? Like going back to that Mitch thing you're talking about, how he was Mitch 24 hours. Do you play an alter ego on stage that releases all those toxins or is that how you always are? I think I've never been closer to what it is to be around me at my best,

in my best mood, with a cup of coffee, and the Celtics just won. I feel bad for you. Right? That I feel. We had a great, great year with the Red Sox and the Patriots winning beating LA twice

beating LA twice I mean it's remarkable okay let's not talk about that keep talking so I'll be I'll be fine but when I'm in my

best mood there's not that much that separates me from when I'm on stage to the meet and greet that I do

afterwards and the the only thing I will say that's that's from when I'm on stage to the meet and greet that I do afterwards. And the only thing I will say that's different is that when I'm around somebody like Todd or you, I'm different than when I'm around people that don't already like me. Why? Because you are inspired by other artists who are obsessive compulsive about their art as well? Well, that's one thing. But also, I feel that you'll notice this.

And you should really... I remember, this is funny because I should make this a tip. There are people that you feel funny around, that laugh with you, that are generous with their laughter, and especially when you're creating, you should be around them as much as possible. And Todd, and now I can tell you, we feel funnier around each other and we feel

accepted and and that we're not going to say something and and get insulted or put down like todd is is really sensitive and and you'll notice how if he gives you any kind of feedback about something he wants to tell he wants to give feedback about a famous comedian he will spend five minutes saying how he adores this comedian and that they've brought him so much joy. And then he'll say, but you're harming the universe. That's one thing I love about Todd. Because I'm his house band for some improv dates.

I told him I'd help him. Oh, that'll be so fun. And we want to do a show together where it's like I'm the house band for it. You know how he does his show. I'd love to come on as a guest on one of those. That would be so fun. And we want to do a show together where it's on the house band. You know how he does his show. Oh, I'd love to come on as a guest on one of those. That would be so fun. Yeah, we're doing the improv. But it's a different vibe.

I listen to Michael. I like Michael Rappaport. Oh, I love him. He's awesome. He loves basketball. I love his voice. Yeah. And I love his acting, too.

He's incredible. it's awesome and like yeah he talks about how like he's doing a lot of stand-up now really yeah a bunch in la and all around you know and he's getting flack from comedians oh yeah you know like what's that what's that vibe like is it kind of the same as like athletes want to be musicians, actors want to be comedians or musicians? So is it like a territorial beef between like, is it like, oh, he's taking some of my time mentality? Or it's like they're just really don't like new people into the club. Well, it's a million things.

And I think, and I haven't seen him perform, and I'm pretty sure that he was a stand-up before he was an actor he was did stand up for a little bit before he did acting so i think like jeremy piven is probably a better example for me here's a guy who wasn't a stand-up and then all of a sudden he either needs the money or the adulation or something new or or who knows why he went into it but again with the sacredness of comedy here's here's this interloper who who didn't pay their their dues and i'll tell you what if they're really strong and undeniable and you're like wow this guy has chops and and this guy can write a joke he's not just having somebody write jokes for him, or he's not just going up there and leading a rally or whatever. Or if somebody brings the chops and the talent and the ability,

we will grudgingly bow down. Yes, recognize it, yes. But when they don't, oh, it infuriates us. Yeah. Because there's no shortcut to it. No shortcut. For most people. I mean, one thing that blew me away was a few years ago, Judd Apatow hadn't done comedy in 20 years.

And then he wanted to do it again. And, of course, he was allowed to. And I remember thinking to myself, there's no way. How can you give it up for 20 years and then do it? And then he did it. But he was diligent. And he had notes every time. And he worked hard.

And he got on stage three, four, five, six times a night at the Comedy Cellar while he was directing Trainwreck with Amy Schumer. So if you put in the work, you can do it. That's what you've done. And I always say to comedians who start late, oh, I started at 30 or 35 or 40. Okay, that's fine. But you have to write and get on stage.

Like you've only got six months to make it. You really have to make up for lost time. The other thing I wanted to say to you before I forget is that you probably think at 30 that you're really old and i promise you that when you're 45 you'll look back at at at 30 and you'll think oh my god what an asshole i was a child yeah you're a child i know you're just coming into your your own man yeah you're just figuring out life and your philosophy and you've already got this body of work. I don't know how this expression ever came to be, but it seems to matter here.

You're in the catbird seat. What about you? You started young, so did you feel that way when you were 30? Or did you feel like you were a piece of shit? Yes, I felt if I didn't make it by the time I was 30, I would never make it. And I remember saying that at 30, if I was going to make it, I didn't make it by the time i was 30 i would never make it and i remember saying that at 30 if i was gonna make it i would have made it by now and and 16 17 years later i think

to myself oh make it what kind of expression is that it's such a horseshit yeah there'll never be a point where i'm like i've i've made, and I'll exhale like Thanos after I snapped my finger. Make it. It's so subjective and so absurd. And honestly, I heard this song by Tim Minchin in which he talks about, the song is about the nature of the mind that needs to do comedy in front of an arena. And it's like, oh, even if you do comedy in front of an arena, that might not be enough.

Yeah, right? Don't make that a goal. Make goals that are within your control, such as I'm going to do 300, 400 shows this year. I'm going to write every day. Whether you play in an arena is up to a lot more than your computer or your microphone timing. Yeah, but I don't think there's anything that can hold the Andy Frasco

and the UN unless there's anything that can hold the Andy Frasco and the UN. Unless there's just... Maybe you change your idea of what success is or what matters to you. Well, that's what I'm trying to get at. Do you think goals are finish lines and we shouldn't... Like, oh, when I get here... You said, I can't enjoy this part of my career because I'm looking at the next finish line. I shouldn't be thinking there's a finish line

in this entertainment industry, right? No, because there isn't, and you'll keep moving the finish line. And the other thing is that these are classic depressive thoughts, and I had them as a child. So they're either innate or hereditary. But I remember thinking at 10, I don't like myself. But you know who everybody likes and I like is Larry Bird. If I can be as good as Larry Bird, then I'll like myself because I like Larry Bird and I'll have done the same thing as Larry Bird. And then along the way, it's a horrible blueprint.

It's a horrible blueprint. You somehow find John Wooden, famous UCLA coach, John Wooden, who pretty much said it's all in the effort and success is the peace of mind you get from knowing you gave everything you had leading up to the game

or the concert or the audition or whatever it is and just it's hard to believe but he says even in the 10 years that he wasn't winning championships, he felt good about himself and he liked himself. And that was the hard thing to do was love myself or even like myself or think I was worthwhile as something other than an athlete or a stark median. How long did it take for you to love yourself? I'll tell you when I get there.

Right? I have my days. I have my days where I'm like, you know what, Gary? You are a motherfucker. Holy shit. What you've done under certain constraints and overcome, you really, I really, wow, good for you, man. I really, you're really cool.

And then some days I'm like, I have let the world overtake me. And I'm, yeah, just I feel, it's kind of a, sometimes it's physical, but there's a nausea About a day Does something trigger it? Sometimes What's the majority of the triggers That gets you into those moods?

Well I don't handle setbacks I handle them better than I ever have But those One of the things that I feel Put me on the course to my to my longest siege of a of a depression was I I made a special in 2015 that that wasn't up to snuff I didn't think I people say nice things about it but I still look back and and I and I shudder I'm like that wasn't my best the audience i didn't i didn't

i didn't adjust or do whatever i could really to really frasco that audience yeah like you know how some nights you're like listen no you're not gonna sit get up get the fuck up andy frasco says and i didn't i didn't have that in my in my arsenal then and i think you have it now well i don't think that i would you can't be as explicit in comedy but there are adjustments that you can that you can make to to your your set and your posture to, I think, bring the audience up a notch as far as energy goes. And also the thing that I had done and I needed to do back then was I needed to, or maybe I just made a mistake in that two months before I did my special, I did a show in New York City. And I think a lot of people saw both.

And I don't think there's not as much energy when they've already seen the show a couple months ago. How hard is it to hide your material for the special? I don't do shows in New York City since that show. I've done one where I only invited 100 people. And so I've tried to keep the people from having seen this. Yeah. Oh, so you're waiting. I'm waiting until I'm shooting the special June 22nd.

So then I'll invite the people from New York City. And I'm even going to, I'm thinking about including in the email that if you've seen it in New Jersey or you went to Connecticut to see it or you went down to Philly to see it, unless you feel like you're the person who can laugh at something that you've already seen, I'd rather have people who this is fresh to. That's a good way of thinking that.

Yeah. Because I got this problem right now. I'm in this jam scene. Right. Where everyone wants you to do new things and new bits. And I just think the bar mitzvah is so cool. And I love doing it. Yeah.

But now I'm getting called a one-trick pony sometimes. Oh. Because of this scene. By whom? Just like the fucking pretentious ass jam scene. People who are like, watch bands who, you know, change their set list every night. And like travel with the band. You know, like do a lot of fans travel with you through the year? Or do they see you once a year, that's it?

There are people who have seen me three times this year, but that's less than 1% of the audience. Most people see me once a year. And I think it's reasonable for me. One interesting thing I did this year was I, again, I'll blame it on the coffee. I went to my high school to meet with a high school friend who had started a health center at our old high school.

She's a registered nurse. She started this thing that offers therapy and a Planned Parenthood aspect to it where you can get birth control and things like that. It's just this beautiful thing. And she relies on grants and donations. And so I said, I want to do a... I was all fired up on coffee. I want to do a show for you to raise money and we'll do it in the high school. And then I told my agent, and she was like, yeah, but you were just in Boston a few months ago,

and you're supposed to go back in six months to do Boston. You've said you want new material every time you're in Boston. People are going to go to that show at the high school and then go see you in Boston. It's going to be the same show. And I was thinking to myself, my problem with that is that if you see me twice in a row and I do the same shit, you're not coming back. Yeah, I saw that.

I saw that quote. Yeah, so I started taking notes for this high school show. And this isn't even a humble brag. This is a brag brag. And I just did two hours of local jokes about my high school and about my community and about teachers. Destroyed. It was one of the best shows I ever gave.

But I will say, leading up to that, I was a wreck. Oh, my gosh. I was so anxious and so nervous. But afterwards, you felt so good about having it. I felt great about it. But here's the other thing that we need to work on is, I got a standing ovation and everything like that, but there's also part of you that wants to tell the audience, no, I don't think you understand

how difficult that was. And I wish you understood that. But it's not their job to understand how difficult it was. It's supposed to look easy. And we raised $13,000. Dude, fuck yeah! And so you're supposed

to make it look easy, but there's a part of us that resents the people for not recognizing how hard it was. Yeah. It's tough, man. It's not like I'm not thinking about music every day and trying to find new bits. They just think I'm just being lazy.

I'm like, no. We care about this too much that we're not going to bring a new bit onto the stage unless we're absolutely fucking maniac about the bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Exactly.

And I saw Billy Joel once said he was playing B-sides or songs. I mean, all his songs are pretty well known, but he was playing songs that weren't the huge hits. And he said, the thing about these songs is they took just as much time, energy, and love to write as piano men. You've been to that garden show yet? No. I saw him at Fenway Park last summer. Oh, get the fuck out of here, dude.

It was awesome. You got time to talk? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I got more things to ask you. Okay. All right, let's go to this one. All right. You're the coach. I'm the coach. Let's go to this one. All right. You're the coach.

I'm the coach. Who's your favorite Lakers coach? There's something about Dale Harris that I love. Really? Oh, that's interesting. Because I love that team. So you're too young for Pat Riley. I was too young for Pat,

but I was in there during the Van Exel years and the Cedric Sabalis and the Vladi Divac years. They were a fun team, man. But Pat Riley I heard was that was when it was a rock the Lakers were rock stars. You should read that book. I think it's called Showtime. So good.

I'll check it out. Fascinating. Pretend you're Pat Riley. You have to have a starting lineup. They're all comedians. But they have to play the position so like who would be the center what comedian would be the center

what comedian would be the power forward small forward who would run the point and why dead or alive let's start with the center power forward package unless you want to go individual you would have to put George Carlin

at the center why? because he could do it all right he could do observation he could do political he could do characters he could do the thing that

you hope every like one thing that I wanted to say to you is that as you get better at this thing, you will become less... You will lose some accessibility with people. Because I think back and I'm like, the comedy that I was doing 20 years ago would work better in certain, in certain rooms than the comedy I'm, I'm doing now. I'm not a worse comedian. I'm a, I'm a better, my, my, my,

my taste is, is better and I, and I try a higher degree of difficulty. But you'll want to see. The way I think comedy is going is it used to be, and I didn't finish this on. I don't know why we didn't finish this. But it used to be as many jokes as short a time as possible. And now I feel like to stand out with audiences, you have to make yourself vulnerable and give them a piece of yourself and open up and be honest and personal. They can get jokes and funny everywhere. That is still something that's unusual and stands out. And I think George Carlin, just the evolution of his of his career from

being from being kind of silly and irreverent to being the the to me the final level of a comedian is is like mark twain where the guy is saying things that you want to write down and then highlight like chappelle in a sense or no no? Well, I don't know. I mean, I don't watch a lot of current comedians. Why? You don't want to get inspired? I don't want to get influenced by them. And I want plausible denial.

If I bump into one of their jokes, I don't want people to say, you stole that from him. And I say, I didn't even see the special how could I have stolen it from him so I'm paranoid about that but I think the last person that I worked with

and saw Night to Night who was on that trajectory and it's tragic and I'm not going to defend him but Louis CK it's tragic for everyone not just him

for the people that he harmed but also for the yeah just the comedy that he was moving towards and now we know that it's partially hypocritical and what not

so it's it's problematic so i'm not i'm not saying that anything but he he said some things that were like were were poignant and going out to be poignant is is a fool's errand you never want to do that but sometimes you say something with earnestness and it's funny and it means something. And then you're at that Twain level. And I feel like George Carlin was at that level. So he would be the center. But we also need to score. It's so funny.

So we put Richard Pryor at the small forward. Okay. So you got Pryor at the small forward. But he plays kind of like the Durant type role. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Always.

You're always consistently going to give you 20 footers and threes. Yeah, and he's also going to dunk in people's faces and blow you away. Yeah. So what about the point guard? The point guard, that's good. Jon Stewart. Yeah, why? I would put Jon Stewart at the point because he's just physically,

he's a point guard and also i i feel like he's he's got the humility and the the the iq and intelligence and you don't want your point guard to be fucked up on coke and and speed balls and and john stew Stewart's vice seems to just be smoking cigarettes, which is fine. You can smoke in the league. What about shooting guard? Shooting guard, I would probably give that to... Yeah, I would probably give that to Mitch.

Mitch Head? Yeah, because that's my favorite position. I can watch somebody shoot jumpers and that's what I feel like Mitch could consistently shoot jumpers. Just nailing long bombs. I mean, some of those jokes, like, you

appreciate the degree of... Do you find that in music? Like, there are hits and then are there songs where you're like, wow, how did they do that? I never could have composed that. And is there a song that's like that for you? I call it the number six of the album, dude.

Every number six song. Really? Number seven song. I always feel like that's like the musician's song. Wow. Yeah. Oh, that's fascinating. I never knew that.

Yeah. It's like I always do it too number six or seven songs it's for me and I know people might either really dig this or they won't get it at all what about power forward what do you consider

a power forward a power forward is somebody who's going to to if you foul anybody on the team too hard, the power forward is going to get in your face. And the power forward is the first to leave the bench. And the power forward is the one who the other four guys on the team are like, yeah, but we wouldn't have even had the ball if it wasn't for Oakley.

If it wasn't for Kendrick Perkins. Who was the... Bird was kind of a power forward. McHale was kind of a power forward. What about Ben Wallace? Oh, Ben Wallace is a perfect example of a power forward. So I'm going to put perfect example of a power forward. So I'm going to put Todd Glass at the power forward because I don't think you can underestimate the influence

that guys like Todd Glass and Andy Kindler and Eddie Pepitone and I'm trying to think who some other guys like that are, Mark Maron and Janine Garofalo and maria bamford just just these these people who are really paving new grounds like todd always says this he says certain comedians they they may not be the ones that everybody is going out to see but they built the highway that the guys who are doing great things are are driving on now and i think that's such a great metaphor he's makes the best analogies. He's the best, dude.

And he's just like, he's focused and he cares. He cares. He just loves it. We have these hours-long discussions over our philosophy of comedy. That's something I never knew about philosophy is that philosophy is about big things, love, death, and guilt and things like that. But philosophy can also be about what temperature you require to start drinking iced coffee at. I have a philosophy on that. If it's lower than 60 degrees, I'm hot coffee.

If it's higher than 60 degrees out, I'm iced coffee. That's my philosophy. And so you can have a philosophy about jokes and the sixth song on an album and the first song on an album. That's a philosophy. And I feel if more people knew that, they wouldn't be so averse or intimidated by the idea of philosophy. It's not all death

and where are we, what are we. It's more than that. Who'd be the sixth man? Just consistently giving you seven, seven, and seven. Or seven, three, and three, couple blocks. Just an overall, just good at everything.

Well, I think that the sixth man is what was the term for it there was a player when i was growing up called vinnie johnson who played for the detroit piston he would come in off the bench or andrew tony for the 76ers would come in off the bench and he if he was or the bernard king was a starter but he played this way and so bernard king played this way too bernard king was a guy who would who would just score at at will and take over a game and was unstoppable and so the the the and and this guy should be really the MVP of the league every year if comedy was a league this guy should be the MVP because he

puts up 30 points and and just kills and he's not he's the household name in the right households as they say but Brian Regan and ask Todd Glass about him we're just I mean he's

he's Jesus Moses. And yeah, he's amazing. Fucking A. Wow. Two more things. I want to know about this Apatow thing. How'd this come about? Did you pitch him or did he pitch you?

What happened? No, I, my, my. Apatow's doing a document. Judd Apatow's doing a documentary. Yeah, a documentary and special. He's executive producing I love what he did with the Avett Brothers Have you seen that Avett Brothers doc?

Oh my god It made me understand I love Apatow He's one of my favorite producers of all time He's amazing My buddy was in his film And he's nice Honestly it's the same feeling I have

Talking to you He's just interested And he's funny and he's nice And he's positive Honestly, it's the same feeling I have talking to you. He's just interested, and he's funny, and he's nice, and he's positive. He's so positive, man. So what did he do? Did he pitch this to you? No, no. I'll tell you exactly how it happened. It happened almost a year to today.

It happened on May 25th. My manager who – my experience with managers is is how many have you had up and down i've had six or seven and they're very rarely they are in some cases but you can't count on a manager being creative and being a collaborator you can't count on that there it's just few and far between so i've had a couple like that and the one i have currently thank god is like that and i he said and he was so patient because i was not good i was not working yeah and you're really for two two and a half years i was i was sick yeah and he would say do you want to go in for this audition for this movie no i i what is it at 4 p.m i don't get up that early i was sick man and i was shaking i went on one audition my friend get up at 4 p.m.? I don't get up that early. I was sick, man. And I was shaking. I went on one audition.

You wouldn't get up at 4 p.m.? I would sleep until 5 or 6 in the evening. Would you stay up all night? No. I would go to bed at 10. That was the reasonable time I felt going to bed was. And I would stay in bed sleeping until 5 or 6 p.m. I was on a lot of medication, too.

Holy fuck, Gary. Yeah. p.m i was on a lot of medication too all right so gary yeah so i i remember going for an audition for the show billions because my friend created it so he got me an audition and he said yeah you're really sick man he was he hadn't seen me in a while i was shaking not from being nervous just my my anxiety was so i wasn't nervous about the thing i was just anxious just being just just and biting my lip till it bled all the time i was so sick man all right my voice was way up here i was very tight i couldn't oh i sounded like kerm. So my manager was very patient with me,

and I told him I had had some days where I felt not myself, but a little bit better, and I was careful. I don't want to get everybody's hopes up, because this is a long process to recovery so I remember telling him that I was starting to do jokes about my depression because the problem was is that I couldn't ignore it because on stage everybody noticed I was I was really fucked up I was shaking and I was my voice was off and I looked terrible I weighed 40 pounds more. I was just sleeping.

Is that on this Conan? The one about the abbreviating of the states. Oh, that. Yeah, I saw that one too. You were fucked up on that? That was during your years? You looked thicker. I was about six weeks out of the hospital.

You looked thicker. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, damn, okay. I'm like, damn, I totally lost a lot of weight since then. Yeah. Yeah. So I called him. damn, okay. I'm like, damn, Tony lost a lot of weight since that. Yeah, so,

I called him. I said, I've been talking about it. He said, I'd love to hear it. And I'd never played him anything that I had done or shown him anything. Did you have a relationship

with him before? Yeah. But it was pretty quick after we started working together that I got sick. And the same thing with my girlfriend. We were together six months together that I got sick. And the same thing with my girlfriend. We were together six months before I got really sick.

So these people were incredibly patient and also loyal to me. So I sent him the recording that I'd done in Buffalo, New York, and he was raving about it. And I wasn't at the point where I could let any kind of positive in, really. But that I recognized objectively. Oh, he really likes it. He's not bullshitting me. And he's not trying to be nice.

And he said, we were just having a conversation. He says, what do you want to do with this? I said, well, what else do I do? I make specials. I want to make a special. And he says, what do you want to do with this? I said, well, what else do I do? I make specials.

I want to make a special. He said, what about a documentary special hybrid where we cover your recovery from the depression, the hospitalization, the doctors, the treatment, and at the same time, it's a special. I want you to meet with this director. And he directed 30 for 30 called Doc and Daryl yeah i fucking love that one dude all right and he directed bo you don't know you don't know bo and he directed the avid brothers documentary oh dude they're all yeah i yeah that makes sense they all yeah feel yes that's saying yes they're all apatow productions so no apatow did. He did the Doc and Daryl, yeah.

I love that guy. And the Avett Brothers. I love that guy. So this was the director. His name is Mike Bonfiglio. Look him up. He does great stuff. And so in comedy, in show business, they set up meetings,

and you get your hopes up and your heart breaks. And so I went into this, take the meeting. He'll be nice. He's probably a jock because he does these 30 for 30s. So you'll have that in common. And then I met him and he had hair past his shoulders and Chuck Taylors and a flannel shirt and I was like oh my gosh this is just a regular this is like kind of a regular hipster

yeah this is an artist not a jock and we hit it off in the meeting he said I want to do this and he said and I'll never forget this. He says, do you mind if I ask my friend Judd to work on this with us? And he probably said Judd Apatow, which he didn't need to. And I remember thinking, yeah, that would be fine.

Yeah, if you insist. Full circle. Yeah. And then he showed we we met together we went over what the what the doc parts the interviews we wanted to do and what we wanted to cover in the doc part what i had for special jokes about depression and and what the show was and we've we've worked together to create a narrative around the around the special so that it'll interweave seamlessly with the doc footage. And then Judd said,

alright, I want in on this. And then we're going to shoot it on June 22nd. Judd, when he gets into a project, do you feel like... What is he working on? The fine details of producing?

No, it's more of broad strokes and wisdom. Okay, cool. And pursue this and expand on this. So it's you and old boy doing your thing together. And then he's kind of like big pitchers type thing. Yeah, a general manager maybe. Yeah, GM.

And then the director's like the head coach. What kind of GM would Apatow be? If he had basketball GM. I think he's like the head coach. What kind of GM would Apatow be? If he had a basketball GM. I think he's like a Billy Bean, right? He's so brilliant. And he gets, look who he discovered as rookies who became huge stars. True. The thing about Moneyball is you see somebody

who doesn't look like a Major League Baseball star because you can't afford... Daryl Morey of the Houston Rockets outlawed nicknames because they didn't draft Marc Gasol because his nickname was Man Boobs. Really? Yeah. He didn't look like an nba star he didn't have the body

of a ben wallace or charles oakley so they didn't pick him and so far yes and so we we we well that was pow gasol was mark mark played for the lakers yes got signed with the Lakers and then traded for Powell. Yes, to Memphis. Right, right. So, what is my point? Judd saw something in guys like Jonah Hill and Seth Rogen. They don't look like movie stars. I grew up with Chris Mintz-Plaz. No way. McLovin, yeah. That's amazing. So, it's the same thing.

They don't look like movie stars. And he recognized their talent. And the collaboration made them into movie stars. It just their talent and the collaboration made them into movie stars it just turned into London outside by the way it's raining again this is a great place to view it so yeah

he's the Billy Bean of show business so are you doing the special in June? we're taping the special in June how is it finding your therapist saying hey Are you doing the special in June? We're taping the special in June and we've shot some of the doc stuff. So how is it finding a therapist? Your therapist is saying, hey, listen, I know this is all supposed to be private stuff between us.

You cool talking about all this? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what was he, who he or she like? Dr. Richard Friedman. He's cool? He's cool because he's actually experienced with this stuff. He was on a PBS documentary about depression called Out From The Shadows or something with the word shadows in it.

And he's really telegenic and he's smart and an expert and comfortable on camera. So we're very fortunate that I had that I had this great, great source. Are you guys, do you guys have distribution yet? Are you making it? we're, we're,

there's a press release this, this week that I can't get ahead of. Yeah. So, this comes out in a month. Yeah. I'll tell you off the, yeah,

cool. I'm excited, dude. Gary, dude. Are you like, this is, do you feel like this is like another step in your career?

Like this could help. Yeah. Pop it to the next step yes but more importantly I think it'll make a lot of people feel better about their illness and it'll contribute to removing the shame

and stigma of mental illness which is just silly when I started doing comedy it was only comedians acknowledging Prozac and antidepressants and mental illness. Are you going through...

Are you depressed? I mean, are you taking anything? Well, I was depressed last year, and what I did, I microdosed psilocybin mushrooms. My girlfriend grew me mushrooms in the apartment, and that's the latest thing. It is.

It's just not covered by insurance. Yeah. Denver just decriminalized this week. Wow. But yeah, it got me through depression. Because you know what? I've been on the road so long too, Gary. And I just realized I'm going to be alone.

This is it. I'm going to live in these fucking motels. But that's depression. That's not you. I know. That's not Andy Frasco. This is it. I'm going to live in these fucking motels. But that's depression. That's not you. I know. That's not Andy Frasco. You're right. No.

Fucking love you, Gary. I love you back. Dude, one last question, then I'll let you go. But hey, thanks for being my friend. Oh. And I can't wait to... I'm going to your show this weekend.

Oh, really? Yeah, I'm coming. Okay. Yeah, if that's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll pay or whatever. No, no, you don't have to pay. Sunday night is the...

Sunday night. All right, but what about Tuesday? What time is your show? Brooklyn Bowl. Brooklyn Bowl. I'm doing it with comedians. Kyle Ayers. You know Kyle Ayers?

So it's a comedy show, and I'm the house band for it. It's a drunken spelling bee. I'm actually playing tonight too, but you're playing. Yeah. What time is your show tonight? 11. Oh, I can come One last thing

What do you want to be remembered by? I think this special You're proud of this? Yeah I'm proud of the work I'm doing And I think it goes beyond Making people laugh Hopefully I don't know if you have a

pregame ritual or a prayer or anything like that, but I always ask God to make the people, I used to say, make the people forget about their problems. And I realized that's a big ask. So I just say, make the people feel better about their problems. I find if you can laugh about it, depression and sickness and things like that, then it doesn't seem as hopeless and scary and makes you feel understood. Proud to know you, buddy. Oh, proud to know you too.

Thanks for shouting out to me, man. This couldn't have gone any better we're going to do this more is it cool if I call you when I get in my toots anytime I would love it the thing about talking to you for even 50 seconds is

that you exude such energy and positivity and your answer to any question is fuck yes and that's fuck yeah that's that's where you need to be yeah that's where you need to be i love it love you bro thanks man thank you andy buddy it's your agent listen you know i love I love you, okay? You're not just a client, you are a friend. I would do anything for you, okay?

You call me three o'clock in the morning, you say I fucking killed a guy, I'm at your house in 20 minutes with a shovel ready to bury the body. I beg of you, do not make me book you on a stand-up tour, okay, you are not funny. There's a big difference between being a comic and being a fucking piano player who is funny. You're not a comedian.

You can do little riffs in between your songs. You can't do a fucking hour of comedy. This is a goddamn hard thing to do that people train and fucking work for decades to be good at. Don't make me fucking do this I got the clip that you sent me those are just Chris rocks jokes that you're doing okay you didn't come up with those ideas and I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be saying some of those into a microphone. Please call me back.

This is a bad idea. I don't want to do it. Don't make me do it. Call me. And there you have it. Thanks, Gary Goldman, for being on the show. Thanks, Kyle Ayers. It's a comedy episode, guys.

A little different than what we normally do, but it's the same story, same... You know, we're all fighting this. All artists are fighting this shit normally do, but it's the same story. We're all fighting this. All artists are fighting this shit. Look at Gary's story. Gary didn't get depressed until he was on top of his shit. He couldn't even perform. It's a real thing.

Mental health is real, guys. Take care of your bodies because if you don't do it, no one else is going to do it. You got to find love in yourself. You got to find a place of comfort in yourself. Because we're going to be in this body forever. There's no until we die and maybe our spirit moves on.

But in this lifetime, we only get one shot. So take care of your mind. Take care. Don't overwork yourself. Shit's hard out there. Stay focused. And we can fight this together. But God, it was so fascinating. It's just cool to have these guys be a fan of my music and fan of me as a person and who are just like super successful. And it's just really cool how comedians see, uh, and musicians the same that I see in comedians, you know,

we're all fucking crazy and we're all trying to just make people laugh or make people feel good. So shout out to all those comedians out there fighting the good fight. Shit is hard out there, but I'm going to have a shorter closing segment this week because it's a long episode. But yes, subscribe to the podcast,

follow your intuition, follow your gut, you know, rate the podcast. If you hate it. Don't fucking just write whatever you want. That's it, guys. It's been fun.

Mound Jam was fucking insane. Had Wild Adriotic sit in. It's going to be fun. The summer festival season is on its way, y'all. We're going to Oregon next week. Bend, Oregon. And then we're doing FroFest.

We're opening for Twiddle in Rochester, New York. Going to Nantucket. Yada, yada, yada. But the tour moves on. I'm excited for PeachFest, actually. I heard that's a really cool fest. Yeah, I'm going to Portugal. I'm taking five days off in Portugal in the middle of my Europe tour. If anyone knows where to go, what I

should see, I don't know what to do. I'm kind of at this point in my life where I don't want to travel by myself anymore. And I'm going to do this trip by myself. So anyone who wants to go to Portugal with me, holler at me. Let's go together. But yeah, that's it for me today. Next week, we got a big show. 50th episode. Fuck, we already have 50 episodes. 50 fucking episodes. Crazy.

This was a small dream of mine. And now that to see all the support we're getting and all the guests who want to be on this show, I can't thank you enough. So thanks for tuning in. Thanks for being on this fucking ride. And there we go. Arno, give me something sweet.

Give me something pure. Give me something heartfelt because all this talk about depression stuff is making me depressed. But fight through it, guys. If you're feeling sad, if you're feeling uncomfortable about how you're feeling,

be open. Talk to people. Don't keep that shit inside. Seriously. Talk to a therapist. Talk to a friend. You'd be amazed how much we're all fighting through the same stuff. So stay tough.

Stay strong. I'm only a message away. Hit me up on Instagram or Facebook. I'm not really on Facebook anymore that much. But Instagram, I'm still kind of on Twitter. At Andy Frasco. Find me. I'll talk.

I'll help you out. All right, guys. I'll see you this summer. Be safe out there. And I will catch you next week. Let's do it. Love you. Wear condoms.

Comb your hair. Yada, yada. Arno, hit this off nice and proper. Well, thank you for listening to episode 49 of Andy Fresco's World's Having Podcast. Produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Angel Howe and Chris Lawrence. Please subscribe and rate the show on iTunes and Spotify so we can make this a worldwide phenomenon. For info on the show, please head to our Instagram at world's having podcast. For more info on the blog and tour dates, head to andyfresco.com.

Change of Pace, our latest album change of pace is online go give it a listen this week's guest is comedian gary gulp find him online on garygolman.com and this week's special guests are brian swartz the UN, and Anna Bach. So, what happened this week? The Prime Minister of the Brits stepped down after the Brexit mess. To be continued. Someone shot a hole in an oil tanker in the Gulf of Oman. To be continued.

And my sweet old Volvo rammed another car sideways. Not to be continued. No one got hurt, not in this case. Material damage only, but I missed a red light. I should not have missed that red light. And to all those sweet people that pat my back and tell me, well, things happen, I say yes, but there are red lights.

Red lights make your naked body look good and that's about the only place where they can be ignored. All other red lights are not to be ignored. So, I wish you clear sight and wisdom. Let's be sharp and vigilant. Mind the red lights. See you next week.