Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 63: Goose the Band & Lyle Divinsky (The Motet)

Episode Date: October 29, 2019

Andy and the boys are finally off the road after an exhausting two months of tour. Our buddy, Lyle Divinsky from The Motet opens the show with Andy for a proper catch up sesh, and we then welcome Connecticut, Indie-Groove rockers, Goose to the interview hour! Andy and the boys talk about coping with death, songwriting, and the jam scene. Brian has some advice on how Andy should *not* be spending his money. This is EP 63. Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. Keep up with our new friends Goose at goosetheband.com Check out Andy's new album, "Change Of Pace" on iTunes and Spotify Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Brian Schwartz Shawn Eckels Andee Avila Ahri Findling Arno Bakker 

Hey, it's Schwartz. Welcome home. Are you in Denver? Thank you for working so hard. Thank you for being out there for so long. You are now off for a few months and I'm really happy for you. I'm excited for you. I hope you get some rest, take care of yourself and do all the right things so that we can continue to grow and you can continue to work hard out there on the road when you go back. That said, your spending habits really concern me. And yes, you're making more money. Congrats. Nice work.

I'm happy for you. I'm proud of you. Though my concern is that you're going to piss it all away in the next week or two. You need to pace yourself. And also, I have your accountant is going to call you. spoke he's going to put you on a program just listen to the people around you all right don't fuck it all up thanks another thing about having all this time off don't invite my staff to day drink and don't get them high when you take them out to lunch later hey Andy this is Ed Spector I work at Tribeca Accounting Services

got your number from your manager he wanted me to review some of your monthly subscriptions to confirm you actually still want to be involved a lot of our clients when they're involved they forget so I just wanted to review with you looks like you're subscribed to Netflix Hulu and Amazon I would consider getting one of these three websites. It looks like you're also enrolled in six different porn websites, totaling $150 a month. I would consider utilizing some of the free porn websites like YouPorn.com or RedTooth.com. And are you still getting something called a Fleshlight subscription?

I'm not exactly sure what that is, but they have your old address, so let me know if you want to keep that. And lastly, you belong to four different gyms, but you haven't been to any of them in six months. I think we should look into canceling these. Let me know if you need anything else. Give me a call. I'll give your manager a call

if you have any questions. Thanks. You should take me around Portland, Maine sometime. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. Say now. How we doing, everybody? How's our heads? I got a very special guest.

I'm in Denver, Colorado. Ivan, he's my basketball guru My spiritual advisor Whenever I need one We got Lyle Davinsky from the Motet with me What's up, Lyle? What's up, brother? How you doing? What's going on? Just chilling You're glowing

Hey, man What's going on out here? I got a lot of good things going on in my world A lot of reasons to be grateful You're moving to Northern California Eventually, or whenever you're going to do that You're playing the Mission Ballroom That's a big fucking room.

Come on, baby. How many seats is that? It's kind of like the 930 Club, so it can go as low as 22 and as high as close to 4,000, I believe. Bro, you're selling... With the opportunity of almost selling 4,000 tickets in Colorado.

Come on, man. Look where you're going. Hey, man. Long where you're going. Hey, man. Long way from the subways. But, okay, you make more money now or when you're on the subways? You know, it depends on the year. Yeah. No, I'm joking.

Do you think you could, like, busk in Truckee? No. Or Tahoe? No, it'd be really cold, man. What about San Francisco? Yeah, you could get away with it I think the benefit to having busked in the subways in New York Is the constant flow of people that have to stand there for a second

So you get everybody for seven minutes But then they go away and then a new group comes What kind of traits did you learn from that? Being a front man in the motet now, from what you learned from, you only have seven minutes to get these people to fucking. Oh, absolutely. So what's the most important thing?

It was a constant sociological study on how to appeal and just how to read the room. You read the room because you're not trying to bring everybody to you. You're trying to just like, just open the door and let them walk through it. And so you do the same thing when you're on stage, and I know you do the same thing. You're extremely talented with that,

where you see what, you read the energy, you read what the crowd needs and what the energy of the room needs, not just the crowd, but the band, yourself, everybody. It's like you just you open the doors and allow people to walk through them and just like to show them like these doors are open you can go through them if you want you don't have to but you this is a free space where you can you can make yourself comfortable kind of like a point guard kind of it's like you're like it's

an airbnb you're just like yeah you're a point guard but you're also just like here come on into the come on into this apartment. You can rearrange the furniture if you want. You can just make yourself comfortable. Put something on the wall. Put something on the wall. Make it yours. Hang a picture of your mom.

Whatever. With that philosophy, though, how do you turn it to giving your house to everyone else until when you get off stage and you have to go back to yourself. How hard is that? Free adjusting when you're always opening the vessel to everyone

else. Are you good at that? I'm pretty good at it. The analogy that I'm thinking if we run with the apartment thing, it's like you're creating a house party, you're inviting people over, like cooking for them. You're hosting a party. I like cleaning. Yeah.

Like I enjoy washing the dishes too because it's a very meditative situation. So like if we're using this analogy, then after the crowd is gone, like I enjoy that moment by the sink where you have a bunch of dirty dishes and you're just like, alright, you look at what the dishes need in order to get clean. So whether you need to bust out the tough scrub or whether it's just a light wash. You kind of

get to see what just happened and then address what the need is. What do your dishes need to be cleaned? I mean, I guess it depends on... Now, right now. Right now? Oh, man.

My dishes are pretty clean right now. It's like kind of fucked up. I feel really grateful for how clean the dishes are right now. Because you're in a dark period before. So it's like... I mean, I've gone... Ups and downs, right? Totally, totally. are right now because you're in a dark period before so it's like i mean i've gone yeah i mean ups and downs right totally totally and like i mean i think that we're always especially in this

line of business we're always uh searching for the definition of home you know i mean you and i were kind of talking about that a little bit uh last night but like uh home is a very different thing to people on the road whether you're're a touring musician, whether you're a traveling business person or whatnot. And so you search for different things that feel like home. And so whether that's going for a walk in a new place, whether that's trying to find somebody that's outside of music that you're friends with in a certain place that you can go and have a beer with or or just go for a walk with or something like that sometimes it's finding a quiet coffee shop with a book and like just trying to like create normalcy amidst chaos but i think that it's just kind of paying attention to what you need at the at that time and that's a really tough thing to learn. If you could have a dream day,

dream off day, ultimate off day, where you don't have to entertain, you can do exactly what you want to do, what would it be? I feel like I've worked toward that, like moving to Tahoe now. Like my dream off day, I think I had it the other day,

like wake up slow, cook a dope ass breakfast. Like I bake bread. Yeah. And that's like a real. You're baking bread? I'm baking like artisan round loaf kind of stuff. So what do you like about baking bread?

It's slow, methodical, time consuming, but everything and the constant new things that happen every single day. You have something to count on. It's relaxing. It's quiet. It's just me and the ingredients. It's just a really fun thing like that. I baked some bread in the morning, waking up with my girl and like make a dope ass breakfast for both of us. And then go down to the water, chill out by the beach, open up a bottle of wine, no matter what time it is.

Because you're fucking loud to Vinci, dog. Because I'm a very joyous alcoholic. You're smooth, dog. I'd be taking off my clothes if you brought a bottle of wine to a fucking nice little lake. I'd be like, oh my God. Come on, man.

Well, I got that blow-up paddle board too now. Are you getting good at it? I'm getting there. I'm getting there. How hard is it? What is it about? Well, the first day it was like super rocky. Or like the wind was heavy

and super choppy and everything like that. So was like i don't have great balance like but now like when the lake is really really calm and like you're just able to chill with it also i did mushrooms one time and then did it and i know that like when i do just a light bit of mushrooms i like if i get myself in a belief mode then i can do you're unstoppable well it's it's kind of nuts like i remember in college like i've always been a shitty skateboarder like i always wanted to be good at skateboarding but i could never do it yeah uh but i remember like i was just on the perfect dose like the perfect amount of mushrooms and just like i was just floating in a very confident and like present

present present way and um and there was a skateboard like i was like some friends were hanging in a parking lot and i saw a skateboard uh resting over there i was just like i mean i have a hard time just like pedaling with a skateboard but like uh i was just like i want to ride that skateboard can i ride your skateboard and he was like yeah sure and i just went into a full sprint and jumped on the skateboard and then just like got going was just weaving through the parking lot and then i didn't realize until after i had been doing it that i was scared about doing that and i didn't know how to do it what'd you learn it was just like don't like like if you your mind the power of the mind is such an incredible thing and i've

always thought this i've like thought this about health and i've thought this about um mental health or regular health physical health everything both i think that like different diseases different things like that uh and i have my reasons um and like i think that you have much more control than you recognize if you allow yourself to um but like in that moment it's like i i thought that this was something i couldn't do but really it was just my mindset that was that was the problem holy shit so would you think if our if we accept everything in our heads that we're gonna be fine you think we could go deeper into not saying yeah it's it's not like a blanket statement like if you think it it will be yeah no but you have more power than you realize yeah and that's just being present because we're scared is

fear present tense totally so it's a story i mean it's a story we tell ourselves in a big way and it's also like it's it's a story that's been building throughout our entire lives and throughout all of our experiences like we have certain reservations based on things that have happened to us in the past or things that uh people have told us and whether those come directly from experience or whether those come from like like a compilation of outside things that we can't even really trace back to. I think that we have, our fears are both protective, but they're also a choice. So going to that, what is the biggest story you've had in your life that made you so fearful? And once it happened,

you realized it wasn't as scary as you thought it was. Oh, man. I think... What's like your biggest fear, Lyle? Death. Death. Yeah. Have you ever almost died or had death come to your family or anything?

There's, I mean, my sister's been battling melanoma for 18 years or so. And this is like part of the power of the mind that I was talking about. Like she kind of taught me this because the doctor said she was going to die at 23. And she basically said like, well, fuck you. Like she's the baddest woman person that I know.

She's my fucking role model. She said fuck you to it. Fuck you basically to the doctor and to cancer. And it was just like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to live in the fear of this, of this disease. I'm going to instead crush my life and like take advantage of every moment that I have. And like when somebody told her, you know, you're going to die at 23. You need to take this seriously and she's about to turn 40 like fuck yeah again i'm not saying that like there are not other

factors at hand that there's not other things going on that like are allowing her to to help beat this but like crushing so what'd you learn from that uh i mean it's it's been a constant learning from her that like it really is how you approach things dictates everything and like if you like she did not approach with fear she approached with like I'm going to conquer this

because I choose to and because like I choose like I choose life over death I choose strength over weakness. And not to say that there's not a vulnerability that you need to be in touch with and not to say that you turn a blind eye to those scary things,

but you acknowledge that they're there, but you don't allow those to have the power. Holy shit. No, I totally see that because you could say that with people who are afraid to follow their dreams. Sure. Afraid to have a afraid to follow their dreams. Sure. Afraid to have a real relationship with their parents.

Sure. You know, like when you move to a town, do you move to fall in love or do you move for business? You're a nomad. Now I've seen you in now three towns in five years. There's no problem being a nomad. I'm a nomad. No, no, no, of course. So when you move to a town,

what is the philosophies of why you're moving to a town? I mean, I guess there will always be a different kind of overarching reason for the move, but I think when it really comes down to it, I move to grow and I move to learn. So like, obviously there's a convenience that goes along, you know? So like I moved to Brooklyn after college because I wanted to pursue music. There was a, like, I saw opportunity and the opportunities to be had there.

But then also, you know, coming out to Denver, it was obvious, like I got the gig with the Motet. So it was like a very necessary thing for me to... So like the second phase of your business. Sure, sure. And now moving to Tahoe, like feeling like I'm in a place and like very gratefully so to be in a place where we don't all have to live in the same place and i can i can be more in charge of my own growth as an individual as a partner as uh as an artist to be able to have like listen to what i need in order to then bring the best energy to my art and my business because i think that like at this point your heart well of course of course it starts there yeah but like to give to a partner how hard is it to give to a partner when you give

so much to everyone else all the fucking time uh for the first time ever it's not hard because i'm getting that right back yeah so that's what you what you need? You need a 50-50? Do you think if... It has to be. Like, you have to... There has to be an agreement. Like, you can't just... It can't just be one-sided.

In my past relationships, it's been one-sided. Yeah. What side? Me giving. I've always been a giver. And, like, it's... Whether that was the inability of the other partner, whether that was the choice of the partner, whether that was the circumstance, whatever it was, it was never.

Maybe that was my choosing and who I was giving my time to. Maybe that was me having to learn by going through certain experiences or whether whatever, whatever the case may be. It just was never the reciprocal. I never met somebody who wanted to give as much as I wanted to. That's so important when you only get to see someone maybe a couple of times a month. Totally. And then also for that person who wants to give to also be okay with the fact that you're gone now. And you're giving a lot of energy to everyone else. Totally. Totally. And the amount of trust lot of energy to everyone else. Totally. Totally.

And the amount of trust and the amount of confidence and the amount of self-assuredness that it takes to be with somebody like either of us. It's like we are on stage fucking give, give, give, give, give. And it's because we choose to. It's because we love it. Because there's a little narcissist in us. Totally.

Are you fucking kidding? Of course, man. It's because we love it. Because there's a little narcissist in us. Totally. Are you fucking kidding? Of course, man. It's like, dude. Yeah, like, I joke around. It's just like, no, I don't need attention. I don't need anything like that. And then, like, a friend of mine will be like, motherfucker, look at what you do every night.

Are you fucking kidding me? We'll leave it at this. We got Goose on the show. You know anything about Goose? Talk to me about Goose. They're a funk band out of Connecticut. Fuck yeah. They're pretty dope.

They're blowing up in the scene. They came in hot. I thought I interviewed them. I thought they were narcs. I was like, you came in way too hot. Who the fuck are y'all? But they're cool. But last question.

Talk to me. And then we'll go watch your fucking Celtics play yeah come on baby shout out to Lyle though he's like we hung out last night and he watched my Lakers play with me

and I was a fucking stress ball anxiety and he always wakes me up so love you buddy love you back brother thanks for inviting me into the motet boys

all your boys are dope as fuck come on man I do like Denver I think I do it's good people here but okay if you could get rid of something anything you have All your boys are dope as fuck. I do like Denver. I think I do. It's good people here. But okay. If you could get rid of something, anything you have, you know, emotionally or physically,

and there'll be no judgment on you. No, no one will tell you, give you bad thoughts, nothing. You can just get rid of one thing. What would you get rid of? Like, is there a clarification of it? Just in general, anything like emotionally? It could be your phone.

It could be your fucking stage hat. It could be your fucking whatever. It could be your ego. You know, anything. If you could get rid of one thing with no judgment. This could be a trick question.

No, totally. I'm trying to weigh this in because the things that are popping into my head, I think they go back to perspective. Because part of me is just like, I want to get rid of how hard I am on myself, but at the same time, that's the way that I get better. And so it's just my relationship with how hard I am on myself.

Like, if I let the negative parts of that rule, maybe, yeah, so maybe the negativity within self-critique. Oh, on yourself? About myself. Because I feel like I've worked really hard to try to approach my relationship with other people and other things by always having constructive criticism.

About yourself? No, I'm saying to those things, but I don't do that to myself. I get harder on myself and I don't allow, I don't give myself breaks. And so like, so like getting rid of-

Isn't it crazy how we don't give, we don't take the advice we get? Oh my God. Like I am, I am, I'm so good at like sitting down with somebody, giving them space to work through their problems or like talk about like,

you know, like get vulnerable with about the, about things in order to find the positive and constructive way to approach that. And then like, and then I like, I mean, a lot of times I just don't talk about it.

Like with, like in regard to myself, like I don't talk about it with myself and i don't talk about it with others i'm just like okay cool that's my problem i'm gonna handle that that's my shit i don't need to put that on other people so i will do i will do that myself when the greatest fucking gift you can give yourself is to put that on other people yes and this is why people are committing suicide because they're afraid they don't want to tell anyone their darkest secrets. Of course. And like, I mean, it's

so easy to create a story in your head about how things will go if you do say these things out loud. When in reality, if you hold them in, they become so much worse. I know. You know, it's like, I, I mean,

I started seeing a therapist like a year or more, about a year ago, a little over a year ago. I just signed up with one this week. Hell yeah. Congratulations. Yeah, I was nervous. I finally did it. After talking about it for fucking a year. Dude, it's like honestly one of the greatest things that I ever did.

Tell me about it. ever did and tell me about it i mean i i've always i've always been really lucky and very grateful to have um to have an incredible support system i can't like i i recognize just how blessed i am to come from parents who still love each other and who uh they're both teachers and and so they like the the amount of patience and everything that they have in the the community around me that i've grown up with has always created a really supportive, a supportive place for me. But I think that just like relationally, like with a potential partner, as well as with, with friends in general, like I'm good at being vulnerable to a point, but when you're, when you're when you approach therapy and like it's the whole reason

you're there is to learn how to fucking like open up those doors within yourself to let certain things that you don't want to admit out or maybe you don't realize are there and to give yourself the opportunity what was the biggest thing

that you realized that you thought wasn't there? If you don't mind talking about it. No, no, no, no. I'm trying to think because a lot of them, a lot of the conversation started in little spaces and grew more. I mean, I guess if i really break it down uh how the fear of death or at least like the acknowledgement of mortality and the fact that we don't have control over the fact that like the one thing that all of

us have in common yeah like the one thing we all have in common is that we're going to die. Mm-hmm. That can be a scary thing. It can also be a liberating thing. And again, it's not black and white. There will still be fear about it. There will still be liberation about it. mortality affects the even minute decisions that you make can really, really shine a light on who you,

who you are and who you want to be and how you approach the world, your relationships, your career, everything like that. You know, it, it. Therapy helped you realize that uh i think to a degree that i didn't give myself permission before i think because it sat in fear so i kind of ignored it because it scared me and so instead of being like okay i'm going to die you just shoot it away just shoot it away and just be like, all right, cool. Like, yeah, but I'm alive today. So here I'm doing the thing.

Have you ever almost died? No. No, I haven't. Myself, I have not. I have dealt with death a lot in my life in terms of friends, like much more so peers. Like I've had a lot of my peers uh i mean who's to say a lot of um i've had more than i would like to have pass away pass away for a variety

of reasons whether they be accidents disease um tragedies or what or whatnot um and so that's that has definitely helped me in a certain sense because I think that. Yeah. Traumatizing. I actually don't think so. And I, I owe that to the supportive community that I have. Yeah. Um, because I had people to talk about it with and I had people to commiserate with and I had people to kind of philosophize about what that means for all of us. with death and a relationship with mortality that is not based in fear but is based in a realistic agreement and

communication with mortality like a tip your hat yeah like i see you i acknowledge you and even though i still like i like, I drink too much. I eat too heavy of food. Because I love to cook. I love to do that. I love nice wine. I love all of these things. Yeah, good bread, man.

I love to, like, you know, have a cigarette every now and again. And, like, thankfully, that's less than it used to be. thankfully that's less than it used to be but like it it allows me to hopefully make better decisions for myself uh and then especially as i like you know now have a partner that i really love and i see a future with like it makes me want to be more present for her for my family and then also creates the relationship with like when i look at my family like with my parents and stuff like that like when i look at my friends that like could pass away at any time you know like it could like i mean i could go anytime they could go anytime so how much i

just need to cherish those moments not be fearful of it but celebrate the fact that we get these moments together you're right so it's oh man i think we're all afraid to lose something totally but there's and then the real thing about it is that we can't appreciate. Well, but how much more. Than being there in the first place. Exactly. So we're afraid to lose it. And again, this is where I think the, like the conversation of what is your relationship with fear versus, uh, versus seizing the moment, you know, and like, uh, like no versus yes

is like, if you're so afraid of losing something, then you should celebrate that thing every fucking day that you get with it. Yeah. This is why we play music every day. Exactly. And it's why we create the relationships that we do. Like I celebrate the fact that I get to be your friend and that like I get to absorb some of your energy. I love you, dog.

Love you back. But it's also now it goes back to the first question I had for you, that maybe it isn't about finance. The finance is, we pick something that we love to do every day that, thank God, makes us money, I guess. We're the lucky few in the grand scheme of it. Yeah, and the people who are working hard for that, we're all doing things because the grand scheme of it. Yeah. And the people who are working hard for that, you know,

we're all doing things because we like to do it. Because if you wanted to do this industry and you didn't enjoy the fucking process, why the fuck are you doing it? You know, it's like you got to enjoy the backaches from the van. You got to enjoy the fucking restlessness after a strung out night, you know?

Because you put that on yourself, dog. Exactly. It's the side effects of the joys. You know, it's like I will take those back aches in order to see these beautiful places, meet all these beautiful people doing the thing that I love. A fucking man, Lyle Davinsky, the fucking Dolly Lama over here. Every time, the world-saving Dolly, dude. Oh, God, please don't put that on me.

I won't, I promise. But to me, you always wake me up. You always come into my life in the right moments. I just want you to know that. Whenever I was having a really bad anxiety week and I just didn't have a path. I didn't have a home. I had fucking

tired and gave out all my energy on this tour. I have three months off now and you got me back into like, you know, break. Find that thing to make you know, make your bread. I'm going to find it because of you, buddy.

Love you a lot, man. All right, let's go watch your fucking Celtics lose or something. They're looking good. It's going to be a fun game, man. All right. Next up on the interview hour, we got Rick and Peter from the band Goose. These guys are dope, dude.

You know, Jampans, you know, I'm pretty much in the scene, I guess. And, you know, sometimes, you know, you pick and choose what it is. You know, either you got a singer who kicks ass or you got a fucking crazy guitar players or crazy drummers who just shred. But these guys have really good vocalists.

Hey, Chris, play Goose a little bit while I'm pipping them out. Rick is a fucking killer songwriter and he's a killer vocalist. And then his boy Pete kind of looks like a Waldo Gismerdo. You know, the guy with the big old mustache who interviews people and stuff. But it was a nice interview. Rick talked about he had a bunch of death in the family. And all that happened at the same time.

And to deal with that when you're kind of going through your adolescence, it could be real fucked up. So he tells a great story. He's a sensitive guy and I'm rooting for these guys. So ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy Goose. It's no wonder that you found me

buried underneath my weight Well, would still say Little red pills maybe are all that hold me up But you pulled the blinds In this room of mine It's just a little bit brighter since you came Oh, I stumble every time you do it Ain't never gonna get used to it Hanging on a garden rose

Untamed the way that my love grows Oh Lord, I didn't see it coming Arcadia's got me running Just trying not to lose my breath We're fucking here. Rick, Peter, a band called Goose. Why is the band called Goose? Oh, tacos. Tacos? Tacos.

What, like goose tacos? No, I was working at a taco joint. Yeah? Yeah. Rick, where like goose tacos? No, I was working at a taco joint. Yeah? Yeah. Okay. Rick, where are you from? Who are you? You're opening for, you're getting bigger in the scene.

You're opening for all my friends. Who are you, dude? I'm just, I don't know. Are you fucking? We're just some guys from Connecticut, man. You CIA, you narc dog. You came in here hot and heavy. We're just some fucking guys from Connecticut.

I got to know where the fuck you're from. So you're from Connecticut. Yeah, yeah. The whole band's from Connecticut? Yeah, Ben hot and heavy. Some fucking guys from Connecticut. I got to know where the fuck you're from. So you're from Connecticut. Yeah, yeah. The whole band's from Connecticut? Yeah, Ben's from Boston. Drummer's from Boston. And you're a three-piece? Four.

Four-piece. What is the instrumentation? Guitar, vocals, guitar, keyboards, and vocals. Peter here. Nice mustache. Yeah, what up, Peter? How's it going? This is Peter.

So you guys best friends or what? How'd this work? We are now. So was this like, tell me how you guys joined the band. So Trevor, the bass player, and I went back and we played a lot together in high school. Ben, I met in school, went to Berkeley and did that thing. Oh, man. You were another Berkeley band?

Like right? No, no, no. Just Ben and I. I didn't do shit while I was in school there. What? I didn't do shit while I was there school there. What? I didn't, I didn't do shit while I was there. Oh,

tell me about it. I, oh, it was a weird time. Why? Oh, lots of reasons. Like what?

Well, all right. I experienced a lot of loss, like right when I got there, basically leading up to right, right. Getting there, I kind of,

a bunch of. Who passed? My grandfather, my uncle, my dad. All at the same time? Same, like seven months. Yeah. So who started? Okay. My grandfather, my uncle, my dad. All at the same time? Same, like, seven months, yeah. So who started?

His grandfather and then my uncle. How did he pass? Grandfather? He had West Nile. What the fuck? Yeah, it was fucked up. Where was he? Where was he traveling?

No, he was in Long Island. He got West Nile and Long Island? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How? Like, how is that possible? But he had, like, a stroke and, you know, a bunch of shit. And he was kind of like sort of vegetable status for a few years. And then he finally died.

Was he a big inspiration to you? We were super tight. He used to drive up. When I was a kid, my parents were both working. He would drive up from Long Island like every day of the week to watch me. We were definitely tight. But, I mean, he got sick when I was 15 maybe. From what? The West Nile thing. up from Long Island like every day of the week to watch me we were we were definitely tight but I mean he got sick when I was 15 maybe from what the West Nile thing and he was he was toast for like

I mean he was he was there it was kind of it kind of kind of sucked because he was he was in there but he couldn't talk couldn't really move he was just kind of bopping around a different life basically yeah but he couldn't couldn't do anything, you know. Holy shit. So what did, when you see, okay, then what happened after that? After that? After that, who passed away? My uncle. From what?

Living too hard. He was a party guy? Oh, yeah. Like what kind of living? Next level. He actually, when I was in high school, he lived, no, no, no. His heart just gave out, I think, at a certain point. Was he boozing or doing coke?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, gave out, I think, at a certain point. Was he boozing or doing coke? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he was just an animal, you know. I think he lived, by the time he was 21, probably, you know, expended more life for us than... By 21? He wasn't 21 when he died, I'm just saying. But, like, by 21, he was partying? He ripped and ripped it really hard, yeah, in general.

What did you learn from him? Man, it's kind of tough to say, because he moved into my house when I was in high school. We hung out a bunch. Prior to that, he was just kind of like the estranged, crazy uncle that would show up at the family things with a Cadillac. Did your parents like your uncle? Yeah, they were tight.

It's my mom's brother. Big Irish family, a bunch of partiers. But they're like awesome people. Yeah, yeah, he was the man. And then did that happen unexpectedly or did you feel like he was going through a phase? Was it mental health? Was he depressed? He went through a lot of depression, yeah.

What do you think was making him depressed? He went through a lot of depression. Yeah. What do you think was making him depressed? You know, I think some people, you know, the party, some people don't know how to make, like, land that plane, you know, from the party being over. Yeah.

You know what I mean? The anxiousness. Yeah. Just never really connected. Being alone with your thoughts. Connected the dots, you know, to the next steps of life, you know. His prime, like kind of this prime era for him was like late 80s and 90s when this nightclub in South Norwalk, Connecticut, next town over here, called Shenanigans Nightclub.

He started as a bouncer there and became a manager there. It was a dope venue. Like people would be coming through there, national acts and stuff like that. And he was doing a lot of the booking. He was into music. Oh, yeah, big time. Was that the biggest music guy in your family? Sort of, yeah.

Yeah, the music is actually not really thick in my family at all. So you sort of came out of nowhere. Yeah, so you got your musical favoomness, you think? I got some mojo from him, but I mean, before I even got close with him and like sitting there, because he wasn't like a super talented guy, but he had a big presence, big stage presence. So he worked at this place. He got all the local ringers together, put this band, The Rockets, together,

and he would get up there and sing, jump, jive, and wail, whatever. And these guys were nasty. They would never practice. And they would just play these gigs. And it was The Rockets. So when I was in high school, I'd go in. Just skull-fuck crowds day by day, dude.

Pretty much. Yeah, that's fucking killer. So he was an inspiration. And then he passed away. What did he pass away from? Just from liver failure? Heart failure or something, yeah. And then, so that was two months after your grandfather passed?

I think that was like a month, month or two apart. Yeah, maybe two months. You're still mourning your grandfather. Yeah, yeah. Now you have to mourn your grandfather and your uncle through these three months now. Yeah, and I think it was the month after that my uncle died that... Were you in college here? No, not yet.

Last year of high school. Last year of high school. But you got into Berkeley that year. Yeah. So you're going to go to Berkeley. Right. Okay. When did your dad die?

Well, so he died my first week at Berkeley, like orientation week. But he got sick right after my uncle's thing. That was when we kind of found out. What did he have? Cancer. Of what? He had just a big tumor in his stomach. Oh my god. So you have to deal with all this as a 17 year old kid.

Yeah, I was 18. So what do you see death as now? Seeing three people die that are pretty young in life. A lot changed. What? Oh, man. Tell me.

Well, I don't even know how to break that down. It was years. Seven years, really, after all that happened that I just went through a ton of change and experience. I got really sick. From what, you think? From like not adequately dealing with the emotional impact of that experience. Mourn.

You couldn't mourn? Right, right. How hard is it to mourn? It's really hard depending on who you are, I think. How hard is it for you? It was hard for me, yeah. Well, so let me put it in perspective. Like, you know, it has a lot to do with like how much someone or people have, you know,

like how much they make up the fabric of your life to the foundation of your life. Right. So like my grandfather passed, I was really sad. I was mourning. Right. Uncle passed. It was more shocking because my, that consciousness that I was in at that point, he was more of like a fixture in my life at that point in that time. Cause when you're

ages 14 to 18, your consciousness changes quite a bit. You know, you're, you're becoming more aware. You're becoming just a lot that's, that's, that's growing, that's evolving. Right. So the uncle was, was way more of a fixture fixture in that so it was kind of a more acute mourning but it was still like i was crying right my dad died i was a ghost i was toast it was it was it was nothing so there's this three levels of it because first your first real experience of death is your grandfather yeah like that Like, that's really close to home. Right. So you're still shell-shot from that. And then... I was more removed from that, though.

Like, yes, but I was also relatively removed from that because he had been sick for a really long time. He hadn't been, like, a fixture in my life for at least four years. So you're okay with his death. You saw it coming. Yeah. You felt... You could mourn through him

Slowly Dying Right There's more relief in it That he's not struggling with Being stuck in a broken body anymore That kind of thing Yeah that's fucking tough

And then what about your uncle That was shocking That was more of like Didn, didn't see that coming. And he was a person that I'd grown really close with. That was like kind of an, you know, fixture in your life. But it wasn't so profound that I wasn't able to process emotions in real time with it. Whereas with my father. I mean, how can you, dude?

You're fucking, you're 17 years old. Partying didn't help either. I was- Were you taking drugs? Oh, yeah. This is a press, like what? Coke? No, no, no.

Acid? What, just drinking? I was drinking, smoking a ton of ganja and that summer I was kind of messing around with, you know, a bunch of acid and whatever.

So, you're, did you feel like the acid helped you mourn? I think, you know, I think that stuff is kind of like, it's all about what, like what kind of place you're taking it from right and what my general my general state at that point i was enjoying where i like you know being you know where i was in in in my age right i'm partying

with my friends in school and stuff like that i had a band we were having lots of fun but at the same time i was completely running from the reality of... Did you have this band? No, no, no. So, man, this is... Now this is what I'm talking about. The death, the deaths of whatever's going through your mind and going, you know,

it's so sorry to hear about your dad and your fucking uncle and your fucking... All it was, it's basically just like life just fucking you hard in the booty hole, dude. Oh, yeah. It was deep penetration. Yeah, it lined me up real good. But, and so it's, but, you know, and then from there comes birth.

You know, you built this band. Right. It took time, but yeah. Yeah, so how long did it take? I don't know. Are you still fucked up by it? Not nearly as much as I was. How'd you cope? I did a lot.

A couple years went by where I was just sort of in shock and just not really good. Then finally, it all came to a head and I got physically ill. I had the chronic fatigue thing where you're going around to all these doctors and it all came to a head and I got physically ill. I had like the chronic fatigue thing, you know, where you're going around to all these doctors and you feel super fucked up and no one can tell you why, right?

And like your blood work's fucked up, but no one knows what's up. Like, you know, part of it, but not, you know, not like my body was actually shutting down in certain ways, you know. How? Because of your mind state? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. If your emotions and your thoughts are fucked up enough, your body, especially if you have like a pretty strong mind-body connection.

So you could control yourself how to die. You could shut your body down. Think about this. If you don't, if like, you know't not in the sense of you want to kill yourself but if you don't want to be here on subconscious levels if a lot of aspects of yourself

doesn't want to be in your body doesn't want to be here in this time in this place then your body is going to kind of shut down a little bit in some ways that's kind of what was going on. So you didn't want to be here. I didn't know.

Who got you out of that mind state? Music? Who? Person? Was it? Well, who was the music? Will.

Will. Will. Who's Will? No, no, like Will. Oh, you're Will.

Yeah. That's great though, man. So from where'd you find the will? You know, no, no, like will. Oh, your will. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great though, man. So where'd you find the will? You know, I believed in, honestly, I believed in music. Let's talk about that. Yeah, and being able to,

I don't know, you know, it's tough. I kind of want to, wary to like get too self-important, you know, it's tough. I kind of want to, I don't, wary to like get too self-important, you know, and be like, I don't, you know. This is your moment to be self-important. No, no, no, no. No, but you know what I mean?

Like it's, if I could make an impact with whatever, you know, gifts I'd been given, then I would, I wanted to do that, you know. Bro, you just watched three people die that's very close to you

and you survived it not a lot of people mentally can survive that shit and that's why you're here dude that's why you're writing music cause you felt those things that a lot of people don't get to feel and that's fucking hard dog so shout out to you I'm serious dude I'm serious I don't get to feel. And that's fucking hard, dog. So shout out to you.

I'm serious, dude. I'm serious. I don't even know your music, and I know that this is why people latch on. So let's get back to the music. Cool. So you met this band. You're fucking getting out of this slump, right? When did you start meeting this band?

When you meet this guy with the fucking mustache this guy this guy's recent man this guy saved my ass how how how'd you save my ass Peter oh god I joined

about it's like a little bit more than a year and a half ago when we were doing it was just like it was right at the end of 2017 at our Goosemist show, which is like our annual holiday show. And at the time, I guess, Goose had gone through, it was like multiple other members,

but it had still been Trevor, Rick, and Ben who have been like, you know, the solid three from the beginning. But then there have been other guys who have come into the fold and gone away just due to commitment reasons. We went through a few lineup changes where they were fantastic players. But the ultimate realization was that, you know, the best, I think the best music comes from, you know, when you're playing with your best friends, you know. And the music we were playing then, I was in, while it was happening, all I could think about was like how magical shit was when I was like 15 in my parents' basement. You know

what I mean? And like, what, what about that was so magical and what is different now? Because now we kind of know so much more about, like I went to school and these, we're all know more about music and we have better gear and better shit and all this, whatever. But like, why doesn't it feel, why isn't that mojo there you know yeah exactly so i saw this guy rolling around with his band and like all i saw was like that it was just it was a high school band so it was like we were all best friends but nobody was really like ready to to go go go like we always had one other guy was really ready to go go go all the time but like it wasn't everybody it was kind of like but we go, go all the time. But it wasn't everybody.

It was kind of like... But we had the high school friendship thing. Did you all study and call it music schools? I went to NYU. I did music business as a major. Okay. NYU? All right, big dog. All right.

Okay. Yeah. So what did you learn? What was the main thing you learned about the music industry at NYU that you don't use at all? They don't use it all. Oh my God. I,

it's actually, uh, funny. Like how that works. I did music industry too. I was, I studied, I was going to go to USC.

Right. I, it's, it's really like, I feel like I, I actually feel like I use all the things that I learned in the grand sense. It's like there was classes on

touring, there was classes on publishing, theory, just general business. I feel like it all is encompassing into this band. Do you think it's important to know the business side? Yeah, I think it'll get you way farther with just yourself. I think it'll get you way farther like with just yourself.

You know, I think you could just do a lot more without having to need external help if you know just a lot more about the business.

And you know, when you're getting fucked or not, you know, you could sign it. If you don't know what some of these contract clauses are,

you could be getting fucked. Absolutely. So, what about you? Any, man, you gotta outbeat three. Absolutely. So, what about you? Man, you gotta outbeat three deaths, doggy. Tell me about your childhood. My childhood was

really fantastic. I would credit that mostly to my parents and my sister being absolute joys to be around. So what makes you want to live in a van from going from NYU to a Sprinter van or a E350? Just be on the road and do the grind. It's because definitely performing music is my passion. What do you like about it?

I just like how the energy is super raw and spontaneous. And I love when people, you know, the energy is like going back and forth between me and the crowd. It's like, that's, it's so awesome. That's like the best thing for me. And I love just really cool. I love harmony and melodies.

And I love just getting to do that all the time. It's like- He really does thrive on the whole thing it is halftime at the endy fresco interviewer welcome back to an episode of writer review with ari finling i'm your host ari finling today we are reviewing the jonas brothers writer they broke up they got married some of them had babies. They're back together and touring, and we got a copy of their writer. It's fucking weird, but they're America's sweetheart, so everyone doesn't give a shit. Let's go through it. Okay, number one, 12 cases of

coconut LaCroix. Is it LaCroix? Is it LaCroix? Doesn't matter. Coconut is the most disgusting flavor. Why don't you just shit in my mouth? Okay, what else do they got here? A Jamaican steel drum. Don't know what three white guys are going to do with a fucking steel drum, but have at it. Number three, three McRib sandwiches. I don't even think they make those anymore, guys, but you know what? Live your best life. They want Pizzones. Also, the Calzone from Pizza Hut. Again, I don't think they make this shit anymore, guys. There's something in here that just says, do not look Kevin or Joe in eyes one hour prior to showtime.

That's weird, okay? And why does Nick not have a problem, I think? 81 bananas and 81 condoms. I don't know if those are supposed to be used together, but it seems like a weird coincidence. A Sega Dreamcast with the following games. Crazy Taxi, Area 51, and NFL Blitz. Honestly, this one is awesome. Those three games are pretty great on a great system.

Julia Child's Cookbook. I don't know why they're cooking prior to a fucking show. Just get this shit catered. But apparently they want to make a souffle. And last one two capuchin monkeys and i'm pretty sure it's illegal to own a monkey in the united states this has been an episode of writer review with your host ari finling see ya what do you like about living on the road what do you like about where you joined a jam band yeah so basically you're not looking on the road? What do you like about... You joined a jam band. Yeah.

So basically, you're not looking for the single. You're looking for the next great show or the next great musical experience, unless you're trying to integrate... I'm looking for both. Yeah? Yeah. So what do you like about it? Tell me.

About the touring? About the whole scene. Why did you pick jam music? It's just kind of part of me. It was part of my experience. That was what happened when I was in high school. I started smoking a bunch of weed. I started listening to a lot of jazz and Fish and Dead.

What did you like about them? The magic. I don't know what else to call it it's just the magic magic in the shows or the magic in the record the recorded i've always loved recorded music i've always loved recording music you know that was that was the that was the thing i did before anything else before i learned how to like improvise or anything like record Like the art of a song? Yeah, yeah. I got a guitar and I would write songs before I knew anything about anything.

And I got a little Korg 12-track recorder and I made an album when I was 14. Tell me your first musical moment. First musical moment? Yeah. How did it make you feel? I don't know. I have a lot of vivid memories when I was a kid of like music just.

The first one that popped out of your head. Profound. I mean, I can remember like sitting in my mom's car like while she's playing tunes and just like seeing like just seeing shit, you know what I mean? Like seeing like just being really moved by a song and like seeing notes move around and like my, you know, my head, shit like that, you know what i mean like seeing like just being really moved by a song and like seeing notes move around like my you know my head shit like that you know but it was just i got like a disc man when i was a kid and i pop in like you know space jam soundtrack and like you know it was just shit was just dope that that r kelly i believe yeah whatever all of it i don't know you know

whatever i mean yeah i that i love the songs i got i got handed into the jam scene i didn't know, whatever CDs I had. I love the songs. I got handed into the jam scene. I didn't know any. I love songs. I love melody. I love the art of expressing. With all your life experience, are you writing that in your music?

And which ones? What songs? What songs? Sort of all of them, I guess. It's all kind of there. and which ones? Yeah. What songs? What songs? Yeah. I don't know. Sort of all of them, I guess, you know. It's all kind of there. Especially these days, I kind of have a hard time writing super specifically or super, you know,

what's the word? Literally, I suppose. You know, it's more of like these blankets. I'm like searching for these like blankets, blankets of emotion, I suppose. It's more of like these blankets. I'm searching for these blankets. Blankets of emotion, I guess. Explain that. I don't know what it is.

I think... So you're looking at it as parts? Like each blanket of emotion is a part of music? Well, I'm talking about lyrics mostly. Music kind of just arrives, right? Ideas just arrive when they arrive. music well i'm talking about lyrics mostly because music music kind of just arrives right like ideas just arrive when they arrive at least in my experience at least there's so they're just like music just kind of comes and like these ideas come and it's like a space occurs right and they

come they're like these little little orbs that are like floating around and you catch one and if it's dope it's dope and you're like this dope. And then you have a melody, right? That's a good explanation. I visualize that. Yeah. So you got these melodies. So music happens and you're like, you're stoked. This is dope. This sounds dope.

And then I like vocal music. So my inclination is to make it vocal music. So I start singing a melody. I hear a melody, and then whatever. So the big challenge is like, for me at least, has been having words, like writing words that don't diminish or like take away from the potency of whatever that initial space was. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I get that.

A lot of times I kind of get just like taken out of that by words that are not right. What's your most favorite or most heartfelt two lines, that moment, like you're talking about, that still may give you goosebumps in the back? Of anything? Of anything you've ever written. Of anything that I've written.

That you still love, yeah. Fuck, man. I don't know. That's a great question. Well, there's a couple. I think the first thing that popped in my head was the Elmeg thing at the end. Oh, yeah. What is it?

Keep my hands sewn on, Lord. I need them still. I'm not through. Are you religious? Not really. I wouldn't say I'm religious, but I'm, yeah. Do you believe in spirits? I would certainly say I'm spiritual, yeah.

Okay, so with that being said, do you ever feel when that vessel is completely open and you're quote-unquote finding God in music, whatever it is, do you feel your grandpa, your uncle, or your dad, like, there with you? Yeah, I've felt my father's presence a number of times, yeah. I've had a lot of weird experiences. Explain them. There's a lot.

Tell me one. Give me one. That you're still haunted by or remember and you always think about. It doesn't have to be haunted. It became normal. I was sick and I went searching. I was searching super hard while I was not right and stuff.

I was trying a bunch of weird alternative physical modalities and healing modalities and stuff. I was also going down all kinds of rabbit holes spiritually and like searching and checking all different kinds of stuff out. But like, you know, I'd go to like a medium, right? And seek out some like medium people that communicate with the other side.

Oh, no shit. Oh, you're talking about this. I'm curious. I did a bunch of that. Okay, so was it bullshit or is it real? No, no, no. It's real? It's a real thing.

To me, I think it's a real thing. Okay, explain. Well, you know, the first, there's actually this woman who lives in Wilton, the town that we grew up in. Her name's Anna. That was where a lot of it started for us. Like shortly after my father passed, someone who knew her and like what she did was like, you know, to me, my like, you know, you got to

me, my mom, my sister, you guys got to go check out this lady. So we went, we were like, all right, we'll give it a go. And, you know, it was, she just started saying some stuff and it was just like the feeling associated with it. There's just, it's not, you know, I was, I was, I felt that it wasn't a crock of shit. You know. I felt that there was weight to it. And I went on from there to find other people. There's this other guy, Roland. Roland Comtois. He's an animal.

But yeah, I mean, I go to these things. Why is he an animal? He's very pure. Do you feel it? Do you feel it right when you walk into his fucking presence? I've got guys like that too I'm like damn this guy is 500 years old it's true

those guys they have that old they get it this guy just gets himself completely out of the way so if you're talking about the goal in being a musician getting yourself out of the way so that you can just essentially channel, let things flow through you from somewhere.

How important is that in music and in jamming? I think it's the game that is the game. Okay, explain this. What do you mean? Explain this game, this vessel, this open... I guess it's just being present. I mean, think about cable, think about like cable, right? So like there's a bunch of different channels.

And I guess to start, like if all music was, if all music was, was pulling like what, you know, small volume of what insignificant volume of ideas you can store in your mind and just regurgitating that. It would be the driest. I wouldn't do it. It would be incredibly dry to me. You know what I mean?

So you don't do things just to do them. It all has to mean something. Yeah. That's fucking awesome, dude. That's why we're doing music. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, I'm understanding this now. Okay, so it's the same philosophy as seeing

a medium about your brain. Right. I mean, yeah, so like, you know, this guy using that analogy, he's just he gets himself out of the way super well. He's just, he like he doesn't exist. You know, he's just like shit's just flying through him. You know?

Okay. So what was the moment? Give me, tell the story. Oh, I remember the first time I went and saw him. And you know, well, yeah. So the first time I went and saw him, it was a very raw time, I guess, one of many. But, you know, I just like the whole time I could feel richie when she was my pops it was just

like it was the same feeling that i got like when you you'd like just go and it's like your dad made you pick this guy it was it was like a father-son activity just like we did a bunch of like father-son activities this was like it had the same exact feeling you know he was just like boom right here and we just went to this thing. I drove to like wherever I drove to, to go to this thing. And we just, we went together. And then that was the vibe, you know what I mean? And that wasn't something I felt a ton at that time, you know, but that was the vibe.

Are you crying and stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you tell him, did you ever say goodbye to your pops? Yeah. Yeah. Did you tell them, did you ever say goodbye to your pops? Yeah. Yeah. It was a really short window.

There was a really short window I had between being in denial and being in shock. It was about 15 minutes. Holy fuck. That's so, oh. It's like a super true thing. Did you take therapy? I did. Yeah, I did all kinds of therapy. Did you take therapy? I did. Yeah.

I did all kinds of therapy. Yeah. Did that help? Some. What'd they teach you? Well, talking therapy didn't go deep enough for me, you know,

not that it doesn't for lots of people, but like, and it's also, you know, maybe I just didn't find the right person, whatever, but yeah. Um,

the dopest type of therapy that I did in terms of like two people sitting in a room talking not with any like energetic components because i did a lot of that kind of stuff too but um there is this one woman who did this stuff i think she called it eidetics but basically it's it's about you you like you talk a little bit and so she can get an idea of what direction we need to go in, basically. But you close your eyes and it's all imagery. So images, she'll put you in a place in your mind. She's like, all right, so you're in this room

with this scene, whatever, what happens? And then you're just like, unless if you let it flow, shit just happens. Shit just unravels. These scenes unravel before your mind. And it's basically your subconscious. It's a way to kind of directly communicate with your subconscious.

And I found that to be really profound. So what were you talking to your subconscious about? So like... Kind of meditations. Sort of, yeah, yeah. But it was like, it was sort of this like direct conversation, right? Through like little movies in your mind.

And I had some really dope experiences with that. Well, give me one. So... Oh, man. I don't want to get too revealing here. Oh, man. We're all family here there's just like other parties involved

just make up a name so like for example one time she put me in King Solomon's court a lot for some reason King Solomon's court for some reason is like this magical place you know King Solomon is I don't really know who he is either

but he was a really dope guy I think he's in i think he's in the bible i don't know he's around he's he did a bunch of cool stuff all right cool king solomon's court this is kind of this magical place but um you'd show up there so like she put me there and like i kind of had a lot of like probably like it's a lot of self-loathing going on right just like a lot of people do and a lot of like you know i can't do it i suck shit you know and uh i think she kind of caught that at this at this point and put me in king solomon's court and had and she was like all right you're there king solomon is is and she starts saying all this shit like you king solomon basically just started rapping on me super hard like you suck you can't do anything you're a piece of shit that's where

you go yada yada yada yada and it's just like doing all this stuff like but she's saying that he's doing that so it's not me saying that it's like it's like it was being forced upon me and at first it's like yeah i know like i do suck and it's all yeah i can't do anything but then it just kept coming kept coming until finally it was like you know what fuck you yes i can do all this shit like you know and i at first it was getting smaller and smaller physically i was getting like the court was getting bigger and bigger and i was getting smaller and smaller right and then finally just hit this breaking point of like, no, dude, fuck you. I'm a beast and like, you know, I can do whatever the hell I want.

And I just got, I just kept getting bigger and bigger until like the, you know, it's all in your mind. You're smashing down. So you can do whatever. Yeah, I kind of got like King Kong style. And then I got like, I was out and like running around in the King Kong style. And then like I got so big that, you know, like the world was literally in my hand. And I just, you just like see these things happen

in your mind, right? An amazing mind state. Mind state is crazy, dude. Oh yeah. It's just, it's like when we think we're depressed and we think that like, this is going to be forever, man. But we're just putting ourselves in jail and we're putting the key only inches away from our hands yeah it's bullshit this is why we need

to talk about this kind of stuff you know we suppress all this shit like all these feelings of like oh and because that's basically your ego saying you're a piece of shit you're a piece of shit you're a piece of shit you're a piece of shit when i'm not a fucking piece of shit i'm fucking good i'm a great ass musician i'm a great person i dealt with three people dying and i'm still here like fuck yes my guy okay gooses i like the gooses okay i'm liking the gooses okay let's talk about this then with all that, I like that. That's the jam. So as a 20-year-old man, male, or female, whatever you go by or whatever you want to go by,

what do you write about? What do you want to write about from your life experiences? Because if we have to live to write, as you know from studying these amazing songwriters, what do you want to write about? What do you want to give to the world when you die and this is our fucking, these are our moments, these are our scriptures. What do you want to

write about? What do you want to talk about? Kind of like I was talking personally, I'm sure. We write differently. Hold on, everyone writes different songs? He writes too, yeah. Same question to you, big guy. You want to go first? You want to go first?

Go first. Hi. You know, for me, I write a lot from personal experience. And I would like to start writing a little bit more on a global spectrum in terms of what I think, as a a human race we need to be responsible for. Like what? Well, first of all, the environment and how we treat other people.

And as we're going into a more digital age, I think we need to continuously check ourselves, make sure that we're being good humans, good human-to-human interaction. And good to ourselves. Good to ourselves. It's way too easy to get distracted nowadays. And I think having songs that kind of put you in a place

where you can relax and focus on the music is a beautiful thing. So I like to take people to that kind of place where they can just kind of feel free. All right, Goose with the Gandhi vibes. Okay, I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it. But seriously, it's so funny that we still have to

mention this stuff. That's how far you think that our humans, me too, I'm a fault too. We would evolve more than that. But I think with social media and digital era, we're losing communication.

And that's why we're suppressing feelings. It's hard to talk to your best friend or hard to talk to your band member about how you're feeling. I remember when I was going through some things and with the van, I'm in the band and I have six guys and I'm feeling like shit and I can't even say it. And I have six

guys willing to help me. It sucks. It's like the same thing with you saying like, oh, if I say this out loud, if I say, oh, he fucked up on the bass part in verse say oh he's he had we he was he fucked up on the bass part in verse two he's gonna he's gonna be offended and he's gonna start attacking my

playing you know it's like it's all fucking part of it dude because we're worried about what people think of us so we always have to put the best part of us out there that's why i was very fucking honorable of you to talk about your low moments in your life. A lot of people need to hear that shit, dog. It's important, man. That's why we're writing music, man. We're artists. We gotta live.

We gotta tell people the stories of why we're still here and why we love it. So what do you want to write about, big dog? By the way, are mustaches in this band? I got two guys with mustaches in this band. Yeah, it's mustache season right now. It's mustache. Oh, it's November.

No. Oh, that's no shave November. Yeah, no. We have our own season. Oh, you have a thing. Mustache season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

We'll talk about that afterwards. Let's get deep. What do you want to be remembered by or from your writings, bud? At this point, man, I don't want to think about it it's like we were just talking a minute about kind of getting out of the way like that's i love i love songs that just take you places you know like i i that are just they're like little vehicles right and they're like they're just places you know beyond like space and time. But you know what I mean, right?

I get it. The more transporting a piece of music is, the more I value it. What do you think is the most telepathic song you've ever written? Telepathic? Like, you know. Most transporting song? Most transporting song.

Telepathic. Like, you know. Most transporting song? Yeah, transporting song. Well, there's a whole album that I wrote. What is it? That I haven't recorded it. I barely performed it. What the fuck are you doing?

I don't know. That's a good question. I mean, if it's your most powerful piece, why are you holding it for people? It was the most healing music. I just haven't, I don't know. I mean, if it's your most powerful piece, why are you holding it for people? like healing music. I just haven't, I don't know, I haven't had the right opportunity to.

Do you think there's pressure of now that you have a sound with this band that if it's different than the sound of the band that you don't want to release it? Well, it is different

than the sound of the band for sure. And I do want to release it just, you know, at the right time. When it's time. Yeah.

You don't think it's time. I would love for it to be time, but it's not right now. I don't have time right now. Why? What are you doing? We're touring and recording other stuff

and yeah. You like touring? I like aspects of it, for sure. What don't you like about it? I think my struggle with it is mostly a result of not you know like writing for me i write when i have have stillness and it's not stillness you know it's rare that i'll have like a wave of of being able to write anything on the road

oh so writing is that important to you that if you feel like you don't have an opportunity to do that then yeah it's a waste of a day yeah i don't well i yeah i mean there's most days i don't write right now and it's definitely makes me super anxious so how do you filter that in other ways what do you mean like can you filter that energy into a different type of art if it's like just writing down the lyrics or is that like writing a a short story or or fucking i should i'm sure i could and i should yeah because you got to get through that man because this this business is i know we're on the road and yeah i'm living in these fucking weird assass green-lit stages. Learning about that.

How many years have you been on the road now? We've really been touring for, what, two and a half? Okay, fresh in, dude. Anyone have girlfriends? I have a girlfriend. Girlfriend, you don't? I'm single. You gonna get some pussy on this tour or what?

Every day. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, boys, I know you gotta go. You guys gave me some pussy on this tour or what? Every day. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, boys, I know you got to go. You guys gave me some time to talk. I just want to say keep up the hard work. You're friends with all my friends. The Pigeons guys love you. Dave is my fucking guy.

And if Dave puts a stamp on Goose Nation, then we're in. You guys are good dudes. Thanks for taking a minute, man. Thanks for being on the show, then we're in. You guys are good dudes. Thanks for taking a minute, man. Thanks for being on the show, dudes. Thank you. Hey, Schwartz, your real manager, not Todd Glass pretending to be your manager. Listen, and this is real. I just finished listening to episode 62, the one with Vince and the one with the Manscaped library. thank you, that was good, but you said in there that you secured an interview with Tom Morello, which is a blatant fucking

lie, and this episode came out like two weeks ago, and I didn't reach out to Tom Morello's management until today, so you can't do shit like that, it's just fucking weird, for one, I don't know what's up with your brain. And it's also could be bad. Like what if Tom Morello hears that and goes, what the fuck is this kid talking about? There's a right way of doing things. Let me do those things. And I don't know. Try to keep it honest. Yeah, maybe that works. Hi, Todd. Now, a message from the UN. Come down off your throne And leave your body alone

Somebody must change And you are the reason I've been waiting so long Somebody hold the key But I'm near the end

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Good guy. Pete didn't talk too much, but I was so fascinated with Rick's story. Sorry about that, Pete. Next time I get you on the show, we'll start analyzing your life a little more, but what a fucking story, Rick. Wow. Hard. Death is hard, guys. What can you do? You know, when all of a sudden three of your family members die or two or even one, you know, what if that happened all at the same time right when you're going through a transitional page from high school to college pretty fucked up and for him to have a strong head through all that and keep his dream alive and keep the music going and keep it fresh

and funky you know you gotta you gotta admire that so shout out to Rick, shout out to Goose I look forward to getting to know you guys In the scene And I look forward to seeing you guys grow I love I love when you see bands grow When you don't When it's unexpected

Like There's some bands out there who's like On the path and you've seen them grow, grow, grow, grow, grow forever. And then all of a sudden they reach that moment where they're fucking kicking ass. You know, you see that. But like you see a band that's happening so quickly. I wish you all the best. Don't let fame get to you.

Don't become assholes. And you guys are good looking dudes. So wear condoms. Don't come in people yet until you fall in love. Anyway, that's the show tonight, guys. I hope you had a great time. It's been fun. Hulaween was a fucking blast.

I'm doing the Howard Stern show. Actually, it comes out today, Tuesday, the 29th. So check me out on the wrap-up show if you're a big Stern fan. But yeah, we got dates the 30th we're in Philadelphia 31st we're in Boston at the House of Blues with Pigeons and the 1st we're at the PlayStation Theater in New York City

and those are theme shows and I won't tell you what we're theming as but it is fucking hilarious so I hope you come out to that East Coasters then the 2nd is our headline show in Baltimore with Funk U is opening for us. And then the third, November 3rd, I had to, that show that I had to cancel

for the premiere for the Gary Goldman HBO premiere got rescheduled to November 3rd on Sunday. There's still some tickets available. Come on out. It's a church. It's epic as fuck. I'm going to go see my Lakers for four days. And then November 8th, I'm going out.

We're touring with, we're not touring, but we're doing Wild Adriotics Festival in Glen Falls, New York. It's going to be badass. So I think I perform on the 9th, but we get on the 8th, so maybe we'll sit in with those guys. And then what else do we got?

What else do we got? I'm doing Waterfront Music Festival on the 23rd of November. Wonderfront, sorry, not Waterfront, but San Diego. If you're in San Diego, come on out November 23rd. And that's it. I'm going to China. We finally got confirmed for China for New Year's Eve. So any of my Chinese homies listening to this podcast, what's Gucci? We're hanging out. I'm

not going on a vacation this year. I was thinking about doing Vietnam, but with this new house purchase, I should probably enjoy it. But yeah, I have these couple months off, so I'll be focusing on podcasts. We got a lot of fucking killer interviews on our way. We had Marco Benevento. I got to interview him. He's going to be on the show. Todd Berry, comedian. I'm stoked for you to hear that one.

He is an intellectual dude. Figlio, the director of Great Depression. I got something special for episode 69. But guys, we are wrapping up season two. It's crazy. I can't believe it's already almost November. What the fuck? Life goes at you quick, guys.

Before you know it, we're going to be 80. Or just old. Older, because 80's not old. For any of my 80-year- old fans out there listen to the podcast you young as fuck homie keep keep thriving but life comes quick guys that's why we got to take care of our heads take care of our hearts you know we don't want to be on our deathbeds still feeling anxious about who we could have been when all we had to do when we had the energy when we had the legs is just wake up from this fucking anxiety daydream and start trying to feel

better however way we can if it's with a therapist or astrologist or you know just getting down the road with your buddies and playing music for everyone you can. Figure it out. We're all here. We're all fighting the same fight. Don't be a stranger. I'm here for you. I love you guys. Shout out to everyone who's listening to the podcast and come out and giving me hug and saying this podcast is helping because, you know, you're not alone

because it's helping me too to see all these people come up and to show that we're not alone. We're all fighting the same mental things, the same struggles, the same fights. It might be in different themes, but we're still trying to fight and figure out who we are. Don't stop fighting,

finding out who you are because that's what life's all about, finding out what we want to do, not what others want you to do Finding out what we want to do. Not what others want you to do, but what you want to do. So Arno, give me something sweet and nice. Boys, girls,

non-genders, wear condoms, focus on your breath sometimes. Don't let your mind take advantage of you. And I'll see you next week. Who's on the show next week? Oh, Oliver Peck from the tattoo. Don't let your mind take advantage of you. And I'll see you next week. Who's on the show next week? Oh, Oliver Peck from the tattoo.

Dude, he's one of the biggest tattoo artists in the world, actually. He produced and he's one of the judges for Ink Masters. That'll be a good one. I think you're going to really enjoy his story. He has a crazy fucking story, too. So, guys, I'll see you next week. Stay healthy out there. Arno, take it away. Well, thank you for listening to episode 63 of Andy Fresco's World Saving Podcast.

Produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Angelo and Chris Lawrence. Please subscribe and rate this show on iTunes and Spotify so we can make this a worldwide phenomenon. For info on the show, please head to our Instagram at worldsavingpodcast. For more info on the blog on tour dates, head to andyfresco.com. Why don't you listen to Change of Pace?

It's freely available on most streaming media. This week's guest is Goose. Find him online at goosemusic.com. And our special co-host is Lyle Davinsky of The Motet. Yes, TheMotet.com. This week's special guests were Brian Swartz, Ari Findlings, Andy Avila, and Sean Eccles. I am spending the week in Naples. No, not Naples, Florida. Naples, Italy. The Naples, where the Italians came from, that founded the pizza industry that feeds New York. The Italian kitchen is actually pretty diverse, and touring around the countryside here,

eating is the best way to get a taste of the country. But just to stress how small the world has gotten, I get Facebook comments on my check-in at Uncle Sam's restaurant in Piano di Sorrento, and one of my American friends dined here before. It's a crazy small world. Good to realize, but now let me return to my dessert. See you next week.