Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 64: Oliver Peck and Gator Petropulos (Pigeons Playing Ping Pong)

Episode Date: November 5, 2019

Andy is joined by Pigeons Playing Ping Pong's drummer (and our deep bro) Gator Petropulos; listen in as they recap their Halloween shenanigans. And on the interview hour we welcome famed tattoo artist, Oliver Peck! They talk sobriety, art, and drawing inspiration from LSD. Arno keeps us relevant and Kyle Ayers expands on his presidential promises. EP 64 is live now and not to be missed. Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. Check out Andy's new album, "Change Of Pace" on iTunes and Spotify Scope out Oliver Peck at www.elmstreettattoo.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Brian Schwartz   Kyle Ayers  Ahri Findling Arno Bakker 

Hey Schwartz, I'm looking at your credit card bill. Did you really spend 650 bucks on a Randy Savage, Macho Man Randy Savage costume for Halloween? What the fuck is, what are you thinking? What's wrong with you? Seriously. Andy, when you're making 500 bucks a night, you don't spend 600 bucks on costumes. Get it together. Hey, yeah, this is Joey. I saw your Craigslist ad for that Macho Man Man Savage outfit. Yeah, that shit's fake. I fucking know it. I'm not giving you $600 for it, but if you want maybe like $50,

I'd love to take that shit off your hands. Or maybe you want to trade. I got a chainsaw I'm looking to get rid of. We can trade for that. $50 or the chainsaw. You give me the Randy Savage shit. All right, call me back. Let me know if we got a deal.

All right. Wow. Wow. Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I don't even know what to explain. Yesterday was Halloween. And anyway, I got first, let's start with, we got the man, the myth, the legend. We got Gator from Pigeons Playing Ping Pong. He's my, he's my co-host. Hey, Gator. From Pigeons Playing Ping Pong. He's my co-host. Hey, Gator.

Hey, Andy. What happened last night, dude? Oh, my God. So I had this crazy idea because we were doing a wrestling theme that we were in Boston. Are you from Boston? Just north of Boston. About an hour north of Boston. Southern New Hampshire.

So you had your family. Southern New Hampshire just relates to Boston. New Englanders. Yeah. Whole family was there, which probably is the most interesting part of last night. Yeah, I got an Instagram from your sister saying, my brother won the fucking pit. Okay, let's backtrack here. Let's backtrack here.

So I got to thankfully open for Pigeons. They sold out House of Blues. Congratulations. Thank you. Hometown fucking turf for you Gator so I thought it would be an idea of like you know how I rock Laker shit so I was wearing a Macho Man

Randy Savage outfit and I wanted to do a typical wrestling call out so how can I do that but besides with my boy who's a die hard fucking Celtics fan so he rolls in there Andy Frasco you did your timing was great. Were you nervous?

I was so nervous. If I'm doing any sort of sit-in, I mean, that was by far the most far-fetched musical sit-in because we weren't really playing music. Welcome to my world, dog. It was the best one. But yeah, I usually am so in my head and rehearsing, going over things like crazy.

I had absolutely no idea what we were doing. You were on stage playing, and I go up to Joe, and I'm like, Joe, I put my hand on his shoulders, you're TM, and I was like, what are we doing? Did he know what we were doing? Oh, he had dead set.

He was like, well, I got these two blow-up mattresses right to your right here a couple big body pillows and uh got you a wireless mic over there you're basically gonna go on the next drop and uh cut into the set just call them out in front of everyone and uh yeah no it's easy you just uh we're gonna have just a big blow up mattress pillow fight crowd surf while it was like a wall of death. We had the crowd separate, and we charged like it was fucking hippie Braveheart up in this bitch, dude. It was unbelievable. It looked like the Flintstones under our mattress.

Like all the speed movement. Dude, so tell me about that, because you guys always stress about, I watch you guys have practice. You rehearse two hours before the show. I mean, it's all new material. How stressful are these fucking special events? Yeah, I mean, you know, pigeons, you know, a big part of our thing is, you know,

just kind of a happy, free, let loose, work with the crowd live show. But, you know, kind of behind that, we really do, you know, we really do kind of try to take it seriously and um you know really plan stuff and dig deep into stuff you know especially with the theme shows so yeah it's typically uh definitely more of a uh intense experience for these big theme shows and uh i think it was almost good timing for us to do it because it just let me let loose a little bit not think about it we tend to overthink things right yeah like what do you overthink the most gator i mean i mean i i was i think i was raised to just kind of you know my parents very kind of you know analytical and playing i'll plan heavy and i i love that. It's kind of seeped into my life.

I'm kind of very... So you're a planner. You're an OCD, too? I'm a big planner, yeah. And I'm always kind of, even if I'm going to try to do something in the moment like that, I'm always kind of just full game plan playbook. But I don't know, man. Last night... Where'd you learn that from?

I think it was just kind of how I was raised, you know. My dad's always making lists and you know, it was always just... I met your parents by my bad motherfuckers, dude. Yeah. It was dope. Yeah, so I brought my parents up to meet Andy and Andy's standing up in the hall and I'm like, Andy, meet my parents. And my dad just grabs my mom

and goes, Linda, don't touch that man. I'm out stealing wives, dog, and moms, dog. The cougar hunter. No, I'm just kidding. I would never have sex with your mom. I promise. I promise, Gator.

But to see them all happy, dude. Thank you. Have they seen you ever play a big event? Were they Red Rocks? Like, what was it? Yeah, so they're super supportive, man. I started playing music when I was five years old. And, you know, my parents, you know, they worked their asses off to be able to kind of just...

What do they do? My mom was a dental hygienist. And then she basically... She's also an artist. She does some crazy art skills on her own. My dad owns a civil engineering company that he started at 25 years ago, and now he's the president and owner.

So they're hard workers, and they started me early and kind of just put me in good positions, which I'm super fortunate for to kind of succeed. And yeah, they come all along to the big ones. They're at Red Rocks. They're at everything. But that was special. They saw a new side of me last night.

That's for sure. What'd they say afterwards? Did they see you crowd surfing pillow fighting? Oh my gosh. Yeah, they had no idea. I just told them to come early because I might be sitting in with the Frasco man. Little did they know that that would be the scenario. You have one sister.

I have a sister and an older brother. Okay, so you're middle. Yep. So were you ever alone as a kid? No, not. I mean my brother and an older brother. Okay, so you're middle. Yep. So were you ever alone as a kid? No, not, I mean, my brother and I are best friends. He's just two years older, too. You guys play sports together? Music, sports, everything, similar friends. You know, my sister's younger, too, but I was, you know,

our siblings are super close, super tight-knit. So never really. I mean, it's, you know know as we've gotten older now you know she's getting ready to finish college my brother he actually lives in New York City so we're kind of all spread out now so it's you know it's different now but growing up we were very super close so how hard has changed for you yeah I mean it it's pretty hard just because going back to kind of that analytical structured kind of mind i'm always kind of planning for stuff that when you know intense change does come yeah it's kind of kind of different some people can kind of just easily go with the flow i feel like it's harder for

myself and others okay so let's talk about that so you're nearly single man, right? Yeah. Okay. I hope your dick flourishes in the next year and a half. Appreciate that. During this process, how long was your chick for? I mean, there was a little break between, but overall, about eight years. Eight years. So that's a big change, right? Yeah. Now, being on the road, not having someone to call or fall back on.

How are you approaching life right now on the road? It's the change. This is actually kind of our big first tour as a single man. So it's going to be a change for me. But yeah, it's all the little things, the calls, the little texts and everything, the routine stuff. So what are you doing to find a new clutch right now? I don't know, it's all the little things, you know, the calls, the little texts and everything, the routine stuff. So what are you doing to like to find a new clutch right now? I don't know, man.

I just like when I'm home, it's different, you know, when I'm back in Baltimore because, you know, I'm just I'm just really focused hard on music and just work hard, play hard. Like this kind of my thing. And when I'm home, I love just studying drums and playing drums all day. I was an athlete too, and I love that competitive I want to be the fucking best. Not in a cocky, arrogant way,

and I know I'm not the best. That Larry Bird mindset. When I go out to play at night, I want to be the best drummer at that time like i can fucking be you know like i i like i really love that competitive mindset so like when i'm home i'm usually just i've been really trying to just hammer down on on career stuff with with drums and writing some new stuff does that stress you out to be the best um i think with certain things

growing up like sports and stuff it could really stress you out when you get to a point with music and you realize how many you know how many fucking players there are you know you kind of have that reality check at some point like when i just when i first started touring and stuff not that i ever thought i was better than I am, but right when you start to delve into that scene and meet all these players, follow them, and you're like, holy shit. There are some monsters out there.

It's like an ego check, right? Right. When you think you're the shit. And I like that shit. I like it, though. I love that kind of competitive drive. Not that, in a sense, to beat someone individually, I love that drew kind of competitive drive. Not that like in a sense to beat someone individually, but just to be like,

all right, I can do that. I'm going to do that. That's sick, but I'm going to do that, you know, like, and do it better.

You know, I like that drive. We always talk about what we like about our careers. What don't you like about our careers? I mean, it's funny like i've always like compared like i don't know when when you sit back and compare like jobs and career paths and stuff i feel like the shit balances out like in a sense that like yeah like i'll have you

know a lot of friends will be like oh man like it's so like like i like i wish i could do what you're doing like it's so sweet like it's so like you know you're just kind of doing your thing playing crazy shows every night and yeah but there are a lot of like balances like you know because you're being you're away from home you know you see your family a couple times a year your friends a year as opposed to some people you know they may be wishing for that job but they're you know they're able to kind of be with their friends where they grow up and kind of have more freedom it seems like we have a ton more freedom but we don't we're on a schedule yeah which we kind of like right like schedules

and i it's worth it i love it but stuff balances out like it's it We like schedules. And it's worth it. I love it. But stuff balances out. Like, it's like, yeah, I can do my dream job. But to do it, you'll have to, you know... Sacrifice. Sacrifice a lot of stuff, which, you know... I'm in... I like this, you know... I'm fine with the sacrifices.

Just because I want to... I feel like this is what I need to do. Yeah. And want to do. Yeah. This is what you want. And it's time, you know,

it's now's the time. Yeah. We got to stop thinking about the past and the future, right? Yeah. Is that loneliness? I mean, there's definitely,

there's definitely a part of that. I mean, I know, I mean, it's different for everybody. I think you can have feelings of... I think one can feel lonely, but not be lonely. Yeah.

Like, I know I have a great support system and everything, and I never feel like I'm in a place where I'm lonely in the sense that I don't have anyone to fall back on. What about moving to a town for your work? Right. You've moved to everything. You dove completely into this dream. That's what I mean. It's tough, right? Yeah.

It's tough. Is it hard to find friends when you move into a city at 30 years old? How old are you, Gator? Yeah, I mean, 28. So yeah, it's different. And then, I don't know. there's so many facets to it because like it's great meeting people at shows but it's also great like meeting people outside of like a music environment too but it's kind of weird how they're like separated i don't know

yeah it's interesting yeah it's tough do you wish you had more friends outside of music i think about that a lot i don't i don't i don't wish i had more friends outside of music? I think about that a lot. I don't wish I had more friends. I think it would be like, I mean, in an absolute dream world, it would be great to be just physically closer to your friends and family. I'm from New Hampshire and live in Baltimore, but in no way, in a negative way, do I. That's just one of those things. Yeah yeah it would be amazing to be them near them but I'm willing to make that sacrifice

easily for for the music yeah and you know and it comes down to like how deep is the loneliness you know if it's just like you said is it a emotion or is it true loneliness? Right. I think that totally makes sense. Yeah. You know, and I'm obviously no expert, but there are some people, which is, you know, when they really do need someone, it's harder for some people. They might not have a good support system. Is it hard for you to ask for help? Oh, that for sure.

I mean. On what? I don't know. I just... Emotions? Yeah. It's fucking hard, dude. I don't get it either

because we're on the road. I kind of think like, why do we love being on the road? You know, we think about this because like, okay, pass the music and stuff

because it's... For eight hours, we're in the van with our friends. Right. Yeah, and they got to be your friends. If you're not your friends,

it's going to be fucking miserable. It's huge. huge you know so how important is friendship in this band it's huge man like we're really tight-knit and close and as you said like when we were hiring crew guys and stuff it's not just who can like be good the majority of it is like can i live with this person because yeah you want them to you want them to perform and you want them to do their their job but the vast majority of it i mean we get as you know i mean we get to venues at 11 a.m and set up for set up and sound check for 10 hours and then with with more hours of breakdown for our two-hour show yeah it's like that classic meme but uh you know it's you to be able to live with the person. The process of that setting in and setting out,

you got to love that part, too. Yeah, absolutely. What do you want to be remembered by? Man. You know, that's such a tough question. Because, like, when you're getting into the music career and everything, I don't know, I feel like there's all these instant kind of goals that come up, but as you get further along, I don't know.

I want to be the best, but I know I'm not going to, you know. I don't know man I want to be the best but like I know I'm not I don't know it's hard I just want to kind of continue to do my thing and just be able to maintain what we're doing because I'm so blessed to be able to just like you know we work our ass off but we're still having a blast

you deserve this I just want to kind of keep feeding the beast and like I'm always And I just want to kind of keep feeding the beast. And, like, I'm always big on perspective and just kind of, you know, keep in sight of how fortunate we are and, you know, not letting that get carried away and always to keep pushing. And if things are good, then push harder. Can it easily get carried away when all when you get everything taken care

of now like you have a sound guy you got kevin fucking doing shit oh man you got a tour bus i mean it could be easy to get jaded and say fuck all these people you know and just like be selfish like yeah you got to work on that shit every day right you got to stay grounded i mean i still go and i'll still set up my drums with the crew and, you know, I'll go bring the crew out to breakfast and stuff before we set up and stuff. You gotta keep, you know, you can't just be, you know, some days you can sleep till soundcheck, but you can't just be, you know, partying so much that you're just waking up, soundcheck, eat dinner and play because you don't want your life to just get into Groundhog Day mode. And it could be easily get so easily because there's times where we might party hard one night and the next day if you have a show, it's kind of like that. If you don't get to sleep till 5 or 6 a.m. and then you sleep and wake up, instant sound check, eat and play.

It's whatever, but part of it is like did that day even happen you know and you know on the other hand sad when you look back yeah i'm more so feel i mean that i wasn't really i've never really had been like affected at a show or i couldn't play because i'm like so hung over but there's you know days obviously where you're a little tired than other days but i'm more so think of the fans because like i used to be a huge music fan everyone is and you know if i could go to like one show a year like that was like the highlight of my year man so like when we play like even littler shows like i try to put myself in the crowd shoes and be like some people be like yeah let's just quickly play this show in kansas so we can get it on you know like no that two hours like those people are probably like

which we're grateful for. Fucking looking forward to that shit for a long time. And that's what kind of keeps me just able to throw down 100% every night, or at least try to. Fucking look at you, Gator. You got the confidence of a gazelle.

I don't know. I think I just made that up. No, but seriously, you got a good head. I got to thank your mom and dad because I think I just made that up. No, but seriously, I mean, you got a good head. I got to thank your mom and dad because I think they really shaped that too. So shout out to Mama Bear and Papa Bear, even though they're Celtic fans. It's fine. I'm okay with that. But, you know, everyone, Gator's a newly single man.

Let's find him some love. If we can't find him long term love Let's find him short term love Gator You're a good guy and you're gonna find love And I'm just proud to be your friend I love you bro Go Lakers

Let's go listen to the interview And let's just be friends Go hang out I'll see you later. And we're fucking here. Oliver. This fucking pad is sick, dude. Dallas.

What? Tell me where we are. The secret hideout. Dude, I would never leave this place. To paint a picture, I would never leave this place. To paint a picture, I walked in. I was late from the airport and I run into this place. I'm like, oh God, it's like a little compound.

I walk into this compound and it feels like I am in your brain right now with all these. How many motorcycles do you have? A few dozen. A few dozen. More than that. It's amazing.

And the colors here, it's a true artist palace. You've had this place since 99. Well, next door since 99. And then you rebuilt this. Then I just took this space over three years ago. Wow. I need to hear your story, man. There's a lot of different stories.

There's a lot of different ones. But growing growing up in Fort Worth, like was there an art community or did you build this tattoo community out here? I would say that Fort Worth and Dallas are very art minded cities and they always have been. There's been a big art culture. There's a lot of museums. There's a lot of great culture in the art community here. And there's always been a lot of money and people with money. Just Texas money and people with money to invest in artistic structures and in architecture and in museums and in people that buy art and people that, you know, it's just a, it's been a booming metropolis my whole life. You know, the Dallas-Fort Worth area metroplex. I mean, it's a pretty big area.

You know, you've got Dallas and Fort Worth, the airport in the middle, and then you've got literally three or four dozen cities, small cities that sprinkle this big metropolitan area that is just now since the nineties till now has just become one big major area. You know, people say they're from Dallas, but they're really live in Mesquite or they live in Garland or they really live in Red Oak or they really live in Waxhatchee or they really,

you know, there's like just countless towns and cities that are now just basically DFW. Yeah. And it kind of, Dallas, I grew up in LA. So like it's how spread out Dallas is. It really reminds me of how LA is and how like everyone says they're from LA, but they're really from fucking, you know. Encinita.

Yeah, Encinita. Exactly. Or Topanga Canyon or wherever they're in. That's where it's anita yeah it's anita exactly like or topanga canyon or wherever they're that's where i grew up yeah yeah and uh so how does it building a community in like this art because deep elm in the 90s was the shit was the shit right and what were you was the tattoo community like kind of parallel with the music community back then or like what was it because now the tattoo community in in the in the late 80s and or you know was just pretty much still just biker tattoo shops you know there wasn't there wasn't hip young kids doing tattoos it was the old biker

dude doing tattoos yeah um deep ellum was very punk rock late 80s early 90s I spent all my time going to Deep Ellum as a teenager either going to skateboard or going to see punk rock shows or in 89 early 90 I lived in Deep Ellum and I've pretty much been in Deep Ellum ever since and then

I've had 96 I opened up Elm Street Tattoo and Deep Elm has been many different neighborhoods over the last two decades. You know, and now it's the most bustling booming that it's ever been. And it's a very

different Deep Elm than it was 20 years ago. Do you think gentrification fucks up the art scene? I don't because I think that the more like for an art for an art like tattooing it's it's a business so the more people there are to do tattoos on the more tattoos you're going to do the more people that are spending money on tattoos and the more gentrification that comes into town and more tattooing is acceptable the more accessible you're going to be to for people to pay you money to get big tattoos so i mean it all it feeds itself and then as far as like underground art um if there's nothing to hide from, then there is no underground.

Yeah. You know, if it's just like in the late 80s, nobody knew what Deep Ellum was, so the underground art scene, it was just nothing. It was just whatever. People did whatever they wanted, and there was nothing to be underground from. Yeah. Now that there's more, you know, you gotta,

you can't play hide and seek by yourself. No, it's true. You know what I mean? Like if you want to be hardcore underground, you have to have some light to hide from. So the more light there is, the more shadows there are for underground people to hide in. So what about, was that the goal always like in the beginning to like have this underground umbrella with all your friends and all this community? Or did you always have this big picture of branching out? Now you do ink masters and fuck it. You got cheap thrills.

I mean, like honestly for me, all I ever wanted to do was just party a bunch and do tattoos. We'll get to that cycles. Yeah. And then whatever happened along the way happened along the way. Things just worked out, I guess you could say. What made you want to go sober?

Well, back in my younger years, I graduated high school. I instantly got into drugs. What kind? LSD mostly. Got into a fair amount of trouble with the law. Ended up in jail a fair amount of times. The first time you get busted, it's like no big deal at all.

They just let you out. But Texas is fucking crazy. These cops are crazy out here, no? I would say yeah, but I'm just saying in general, first time you get busted for whatever it is, stealing or doing drugs or whatever you get busted for, you're a kid, you go to jail. They just literally just let you out.

Be like, okay, don't do it again. You'll come back to jail again. And then you go to jail again and like, oh, you're in jail again. We're going to give you six months probation. And then you're like, okay, cool. And then you get busted again. And they're like, oh, now we're going to give you more probation. And then you're like, okay, cool.

And then you get busted again. And they're like, okay, we're're gonna give you a lot of probation and then finally you get busted again talking about myself and then they're like you're going to jail for a while how many months or years um what happened i got pretty lucky i got charged with possession of lsd which was a fan which was a felony and it wasn't my first felony and i was looking at a long-term sentence and I was still I was 20 years old right before I turned 21 and I got the opportunity to go into a rehabilitation program which is basically like being in the military and jail at the same time it's like this prison boot camp program like scared straight kind of program and it was insane and it was awesome and i got out and i never did drugs again

oh so what they oh my god we talk about that yeah like you got you got arrested like four or five times were you just like a punk kid or what like what i mean we're just partying and doing drugs what but it was just lsd what what what fascinated you about lsd um well i always love music um and i love art and i was always inspired by mc escher and and salvador dali those are my two favorite things as a child growing up and then as soon as i did lsd it all made sense and it just seemed like the first time i ever took lsd about an hour and 45 minutes into it i literally had an epiphany that like this is what my life was supposed to be this is what my life had been missing up until now lsd that's what i mean now i'm home and now i found this place

and i just basically partied and did drugs for the next year and a half and then ended up in jail and sobered up. It was like, okay, that was fun. Now I'm not going to go to jail anymore. So were you doodling and stuff? I was drawing. I was tattooing. When I was still on drugs, I was tattooing out of the house, tattooing my friends, tattooing myself right out of high school. Always painting, always drawing drawing did murals all over

deep elm at what age um 1920 fuck yes so you're making murals you're 1920 like what did you have a good like family background like your parents were they supportive of the whole i want to be an artist dream or was it kind of like a yeah my mom was 100 supportive um of me being an artist I drew from my earliest memories and I was always encouraged to be an artist and to paint from my from my mom and my grandmother um and it just when I started tattooing it was mostly just because I wanted some I wanted tattoos and I had an older punk rock friend that had some tattoos and he said hey you just told me the quick little recipe on how to make a homemade machine so we did it and then you know everybody wanted tattoos so we all tattooed each other and then I when I got out of jail I got a tattoo magazine and saw that people were doing this

for a job and that's when I was like, maybe I could do this for a job. And then I, were you tattooing in prison? Um, I tattooed in jail and county jail with just like little hand poke type things. But when I was in the bootcamp program, there was, there was absolutely zero time or accessibility to do, do anything other than March, do pushups, work in the fields and you know

it was a crazy barrage of being in this boot camp program do you think LSD when you were drawing on LSD and like do you think it was starting to create your brain into the colors you wanted to bring into this world?

Because this fucking place you have here is a fucking LSD trip, dude. I will say this real fast about the house. Everything in the house is stuff I dreamed up. When we first took over this warehouse, I started thinking about how I was going to build this house in here. And every night I would dream something and then wake up and be like we're going to do this you know i was going to dream i dreamed up all these things you know um you're a kid no here when we when like three years ago we i got this warehouse and i was like i'm going to build a house in here and then i would like one morning like the van is in the living room, right?

It's in the wall. There's a van in the wall. And I tell people like, oh man, my house is crazy. I got a van in the wall. Like, what do you mean? I was like, well, in the wall, there's a van. When you're in the living room, the van's in the living room. And then people like, what do you mean?

Try to explain it to them. Then they come over here and they're like, there's a van in the wall. I was like, exactly what I said. But anyway, this is my girlfriend's van. It was hers in high school. She got out of high school. Her dad kept the van. Six or seven years ago for her birthday, he fixed it up and gave it back to her.

She had it here. We rode around the town in it. We partied in it a little bit. It's a cool van. Started having mechanical problems. Oh, so you were rolling this thing with the shag carpet? Yeah. So the van broke down.

The van was in the parking lot for like two years and it just needs so much work because it's an old van. One night I had a dream and I woke up in the morning and I was like, Audra, I got an idea. What if you could party

in your van all the time but you never had to pay any money to fix it or keep it running she's like what do you mean and i drew a sketch of the van in the wall because from i had a dream that we were in the van and we're in the living room next thing you know it's like boom i was like there now there's a van in the wall and then i had a dream that we were at the house and then we were playing mini golf and then now there's a mini golf course in the hallway you know stuff so dreams it's just dreams coming true.

Can we go back into dreams? Because like, is that with art too? When you're making illustrations, when you're thinking of like your next opus or whatever, is it what you dreamt? Or like, how do you get inspired? I mean, I definitely daydream and fantasize a lot of the time.

Like if I'm riding my motorcycle, I just like I'm in my head or, you know, sleeping, I'm dreaming. Or if I'm just sitting around road trips, you know, I just kind of like think up shit. Some shit's preposterous and never going to happen. And sometimes you dream up a van in the wall and you can actually put a van in the wall yeah but as far as like i think that i attribute a lot of that ability to manifest ideas to my youth and take an lsd because when i started taking lsd as a kid it just opened up a lot of things inside your mind you know a lot of thought processes and a lot of you know things that, you know, a lot of thought processes and a lot of, you know, things that just link together that never linked together before.

And you see it in other artists that have done, you know, Picasso and did a bunch of hallucinogenics and, you know, they start to see things in a different way. And then once now I don't need to take LSD anymore. You know, I did a bunch when I was a kid, and now I know what it's like. I can think like I'm – I can see things and think about what it would be like if I was on LSD, or I can listen to Pink Floyd and understand Pink Floyd. If you say you like Pink Floyd but you've never taken LSD, my argument is you've never heard Pink Floyd. But that's the same thing with art?

I mean a lot of things, yeah. Like, you look at, some people look at Salvador Dali paintings, you know, and they just like, I don't get it. Why does an elephant have long legs? Makes no sense. It just looks like scribble.

But if you've taken LSD and you look at Salvador Dali paintings, it's just like you understand. What do you love about music and art? When you listen to music on LSD or when you used to, was it the same feelings like when you're looking at art? 100%. What were you listening to?

I mean, when I was, I'm a child of the 70s. I was born in 71. I grew up with parents that listened to the Beatles and the Doors and the Who and Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin. And I love all that music from my childhood. And so when I got into drugs, that was like my go-to music. Because that music was spawned from that in in that mindset so it just totally makes sense um like you don't you don't take lsd and listen to hank williams you know what i mean yeah like i love hank williams i love i love hank

williams i love moral haggard but that's not like LSD type music. I listen to Hank Williams now, and I kind of like, man, when I get old, I want to start drinking whiskey. So I can sit around, drink whiskey, and listen to Hank Williams because that makes sense to me. Were you ever a drinker? I drank for two and a half years. Hold back fucking track here. You didn't take

drugs, anything. You went cold turkey everything right after boot camp? Yeah. What they do to scare the shit out of you? Tell me what happened there. There's gotta be something. I was in jail. Did someone beat you up?

There was no chance to get beat up. I'm telling you, in this boot camp program, you're watched 24-7. You only get to sleep five hours a night. You wake up and do push-ups. They, like, come in the room with a bugle. Jump up. Everybody does push-ups. Then you gotta go outside, and you gotta

march. And then they take you out into the field, and you pick turnips. And then they bring you back in, and and you got to march and then they take you out into the field and you pick turnips and then they bring you back in and they feed you lunch and then they take you back out and then you march and then you got to do push-ups and then you got to do it's like non-stop you got to like polish your boots you go work out in the field every day and then at night you got to polish your boots back to a shiny boot shine again like it's it's very intense but do you like it though you know i can have fun doing anything And if I was going to be in boot camp I was going to do it the best I could You know what I mean

Yeah I mean you got to make the best of whatever situation you're in I think Is that the philosophy that you have With whatever you do With art too I mean if I would just say at all times

you gotta make the best of whatever situation you're in. If you can't get out of it like if it's not a good situation then leave. If you can't leave

make the best of it. Have you had any situation where you felt like you can't leave it? Like tattooing or Do you feel trapped? I mean now In my life now

I'm pretty much in a situation Where I can just do whatever the fuck I want Yeah Like if I don't want to do something I just don't do it Yeah You know I don't have kids Like what's your waiting list

For like For someone to put For you to put art on them Well I don't book very far in advance So There's just people Email And they get put on a waiting list

I have a guy that answers the emails And whenever I Schedule days He just books them in Oh cool So there's just people email and they get put on a waiting list. I have a guy that answered the emails. And whenever I schedule days, he just books them in. Oh, cool. So today I did some tattoos. I scheduled the last three days of tattooing like five days ago. Yeah. Put days in my calendar, texted Barbarino, said, hey, I got three days in my calendar.

He booked him up. The guy tattoo tattooed today like he emailed like four days ago and said hey i want to get tattooed and then so when vinny's going through emails of people on two-day notice a lot of people i can't do it i can't do it so he keeps going down and he finds this guy it's like hey you want to get in so this guy only waited four days yeah the guy tattooed yesterday been on the email list for six months Just what a work of the draw Sometimes I book a couple weeks in advance Sometimes I book I'm going to Little Rock on Friday

To tattoo at a shop And today I put a post on Instagram I'll be at Little Rock on Friday One day only Who wants to get tattooed And then today I got some emails for Little Rock So I'll book those people So can we talk about that artist community?

Like everyone, like, so do you travel a lot to do these like conventions and stuff? Is it, how is this? I'm very fascinated with how like the tour, like say the touring. Yeah. Well, there is a lot of tattoo conventions. I do do a lot of traveling and tattooing

and go to other cities and work at other shops and call guest spots, you know know and then there's basically nowadays there's a tattoo convention every weekend somewhere in the country yeah you know i mean there's used to be like five six seven eight conventions a year or in the world in the in the late 80s early 90s now literally there's one every single weekend. So you need to go to certain ones. You go to ones where you know people in that city or you go to ones where you know the guy that's putting it on or whatever.

But, I mean, I travel pretty much nonstop. We're starting a tour next week. With Ben? With Ben Nichols from Lucero. We call it the Bike Riders Tour. It's like the seventh year we've done it. We ride our motorcycles. I put all my tattoo gear in a tour pack. He straps his guitar

to the back of the bike. We ride to a town, pull in a tattoo shop. I do two tattoos. We go to the bar. He sets up, play a show. We party all night, wake up next morning, ride our bikes to the next city. I do a couple tattoos, go to the bar. He plays a show. Party all night, get on our bikes, ride the next morning, and just do like ten cities

in two weeks. Shut the fuck up. Are you serious? So you and Ben, you're cruising, he's doing acoustic gigs. He's not bringing John C or anybody. He brings a guitar, that's it. Is that one of your best boys? Yeah.

They're my favorite band, for sure. And I am like the number one Lucero fan. What do you love about them? I mean, it's great music. Yeah. And I mean, I love music that's lyrically driven, you know, and Ben, I think Ben's one of the greatest songwriters of our time. I think he's fucking amazing. Yeah.

And like you go to the Lucero show and everybody in the crowd is your best friend and everybody in the crowd is screaming every single word like it's their lifeblood. You know? And it's just the best. Dude. Lucero. See, I'm not as close with Ben as I am with John C. John C's the shit.

My fucking guy. John C Stubblefield. Dude. Because how do you, when you're sober, do you have urges to get off the wagon? I don't. No? I got a weird thing going on, man. I got sober because I decided I wanted to do something,

and I knew I wasn't going to accomplish what I wanted to accomplish if I was fucked up. What was that? What did you want to accomplish? I just wanted a motorcycle. You know what I mean? I wanted to travel. I wanted to, you I was fucked up. What was that? What do you want to accomplish? I just want a motorcycle. You know what I mean? I wanted to travel. I wanted to, you know, who knows? I had no idea what I really wanted when I was 21 years old. Got out of prison when I was 21 and I was just like

I just wanted to do things and I knew that I wasn't going to be able to do them if I was in jail again. You know, all these other kids that I was in jail with, they were like, man, when I get out get out of jail me and my homies are gonna fucking run the hood and my uncle's fucking got a hookup and we're gonna fucking steal cars or sell drugs or fucking you know had all these gangster plans and i'm just like y'all are gonna be back in jail and they're like oh it don't matter if i go to jail because my uncle's runs the

fucking shit or my cousins are in i have all my family you know they're like you know it's like people they just get institutionalized and they and it just becomes part of their scene it's just like whatever and i was just like dude when i get out of jail i'm gonna get a job i'm gonna buy a motorcycle i'm gonna ride around and i'm gonna have a good time that was you know that's what i'm gonna do um and they're like oh you're crazy and i was like man i'm not going to go to jail anymore yeah and i was just like and i just made up my mind to quit drinking quit doing drugs and i did super young yeah especially through this like is the lifestyle i mean a lot of my a lot of my friends man that i was partying with and doing drugs with

like they did not quit and a lot of them are dead yeah and a lot of them you know you know didn't get took them 10 more years to get sober you know and my father had a was a had a big problem with drinking the drugs and he got sober a couple of years before i did oh so you saw yeah when you're growing up you saw how fucked up it got him and so as soon as I When I was in The last time when I was in jail I was in jail for 7 months And I was in jail 7 months for LSD

It started out in 20 years What the fuck for LSD In Texas So it was my third felony offense For LSD But I My dad had gotten sober a couple years before and so when i got sober when i sobered up in jail and started to evaluate and realize what was going on

um i thought to myself i was like man now i know this is i have this problem this is literally a genetic disorder like i am addictive you know i get addicted to things you know what i mean if i like a certain drink i will drink that drink five times a day every single day seven days a week for years and years you know i mean just get i have a very addictive personality and i saw that and i was like i don't want to be trying to get sober 10 years from now. Yeah. You know? And I realized that some people,

some people can have a couple of drinks and that's all. I never drank just to have a few drinks. Yeah. I never drank because I liked the flavor of it. I never drank whatever. I got fucked up. And then when I did acid, we did a shitload of acid.

Like what's the most acid you've done? And like, what was any crazy stories I mean I got too many long crazy stories give me one

too much of like this is too much um well when I first started when I first took LSD I told you real quick is instantly

this is what my life was I've like I found my calling or whatever so me and my buddies we started selling drugs like within a week I was like started started selling drugs. Like within a week,

I was like, sorry to sound L. Yeah. Within a week I saved up. I took my paycheck and I bought a sheet of acid, you know, five, a hundred hits.

And I took them up and I sold them for five bucks a hit. You know what I mean? And then I took that money and I bought more. And then I took that money and bought more. And within about six months, me and my two buddies were in business and we were selling a shitload of acid making a shitload of money and just taking acid every single day every day oh yeah high school no this is right after i

graduated so you didn't go to college oh no so you just went straight into i did go to i did enroll in the Art Institute of Dallas, and I did show up a few times, but that was it. Yeah. Did you grow up well off? I would say we were middle class. But not struggling too hard? I mean, we didn't have extra money. If I wanted a new skateboard, I had to mow lawns to get a skateboard yeah you know stuff like that we didn't have cable tv we didn't have stuff like that but we were okay i

mean well i was never starving yeah if i wanted uh like i started skateboarding and so like you wear out skate shoes pretty quick i'd have to like do chore do do molons to make some money to buy skate shoes because you know i was like i can't buy you yeah you fuck shoes every two weeks yeah um but uh going back to this going back to the acid are you skating here heavy were you addicted to skating yeah i skated from i started skateboarding when i was 15 i raced bmx and then i got um busted stealing bicycles i was a i was a troubled youth um me and my buddies that raced bmx together we were l2 no this is before l this is like 14 years old okay we were racing bmx and we would steal bicycles so we could take the parts off them and make our race bikes better and so i got busted stealing

bicycles and so my parents decided that this bicycle was a bad influence on me and these people that i was riding bicycles with were bad, so they took away my bicycle from me. So then I got a skateboard. And then the skateboard community is much less upstanding than the BMX community, I guarantee you. So all through high school, I was skateboarding, and that's where I met all the real punk rock. Got introduced into punk rock music and met all the crazy old high school dropouts

that were skateboarding in the ditches. Who were you listening to? Oddly enough, one of my favorite bands growing up was Dinosaur Junior. Oh, Jay Maskus. Yeah, Dinosaur Junior was my favorite. But the big band i mean you remember fire hose mike watt the best hold on no fire hose i don't know fire hose fire hose who's that um

they were late 80s early 90s early 90s punk band uh late 80s and early 90s but the guy named mike watt was the bass player and he's uh you know he's one of the he's like the guy that they say is the best bass player ever in the world he's like the guy that flees as the best bass player back then but uh you should check it out i will i will definitely um but got into that got and i was straight edge through high school skateboarding straight edge skateboarded all day every day didn't care about anything other than skateboarding as soon as i got edge through high school. Skateboarding, straight edge, skateboarded all day, every day. Didn't care about anything other than skateboarding. As soon as I got out of high school, that's when I tried LSD and decided that that's my new life purpose. Did LSD every day for a little while.

Ended up in jail. Got sober. The rest, yeah. So, what, I just, this is so, are Are you Do you love pain? Is that something Pain? Yeah I'm the biggest crybaby there is

Really? It's so weird Cause you do all these Fucking extreme sports And you're fucking tattooing I mean like biking Getting tattooed Getting tattooed man

I scream and cry every time Really? Yeah Still? Yeah For real I'm a crybaby I don't get tattooed anymore

I'm done I'm full I got no more space Oh my god It's just crazy to. I'm a crybaby. I don't get to touch anymore. I'm done. I'm full. I got no more space. Oh, my God. It's just crazy to me. I'm not going to touch you in my face. No, you weren't. So I'm very curious about this because how do you – you are very – you figured out

how to get through your addiction and put it somewhere else if it is like – You just got to get addicted to something else. Yeah, that's what it is. So like, I heard some stories. You did Guinness Book of World Records? I did. 420 tattoos?

I did 415 tattoos in 24 hours. What the fuck made you do that? Well, when I was a kid, I always loved the Guinness Book. And so then I just figured, hey, I could do... I'm a fast... I'm one of the fastest tattooers. I can do a bunch of tattoos. And so I just said, hey, I could do, I'm a fast, I'm one of the fastest tattooers.

I can do a bunch of tattoos. And so I just said, hey, let's do it. Not on drugs, nothing. You just straight. Lots of caffeine. Lots of caffeine. Because I did, I signed up for the Guinness Book of World Records too for most crowd surfs in a consecutive year. Oh yeah.

Yeah. I did 256. In one year? Yeah, I do it every every night that's like my thing like i'm gonna crowd surf red rocks that's my big my big goal yeah for my band like we're a punk rock band in a funk outfit so like i'm i'm totally into fucking energy yeah and what what music brings... Are you on drugs now? I microdose psilocybin. Okay. So I take like one gram a day. Yeah.

Just for my depression. I was like, you know, when you live on the road so much, it's like, how do you get through this loneliness? You know, I ask a lot of musicians that.

Do you ever feel like you're lonely doing this job? I am not lonely no i purposely surround myself with many people all the time yeah i'm not a loner no you know some people like i'm a loner i'm like i am not a loner like i'm the guy if i'm if there's nothing to do i'm like i find somebody hey what are you doing let's do this you know what i mean like i'm like always will i got a pretty good friend base i got i'm a friendly guy yeah you know i make friends everywhere i go i've got friends whoever and i will always find somebody to hang out with i very seldomly do anything by myself yeah that's good. I'm just not into...

I've never had any kind of depression issues, but I do crave interaction at all times. You're like a fucking unicorn. Seriously. A lot of people have to deal with this stuff and they become artists

for different reasons. To suppress their feelings or like what there's you had no angst growing up as a kid nothing i mean i had a pretty good childhood my mom i'm like i was definitely a mama's boy um my parents got divorced young my dad split and was off being crazy on drugs and drinking and me and my mom we're best friends, like all growing up. And I had never, I never had any, I mean, my mom was young too. Had me, my mom had me pretty young. So we were, we were really tight when I was a kid. And like the neighborhood kids would come over and be like, can y'all come out and play?

Like to me and my mom, like me and my mom would come out and play or whatever. So my mom was always, she was always really supportive of me being kind of wild and I had long hair as a kid and, you know, just, you know, just whatever kind of expressionist things I wanted to do. Like I wanted to get, I wanted to get my ear pierced when I was in like sixth grade. So my mom took me to the mall, got an earring, You know, I go to school, everybody calls me a faggot. You know, and then the principal brings me in.

It's like, you can't have this earring. You got to take it out. I'm like, I'm not taking it out. Like, we're calling your mom. They call my mom. They hold me to the principal. My mom comes down to the school. They're like, he's got to take it out.

And she's like, why? It's like, can't have it. She's like, you got rules against it? Let's see the rules. And they're like, can girls have their ear pierced? And they're like, you can't have it. She's like, you got rules against it? Let's see the rules. And they're like, can girls have their ear pierced? And they're like, well, yeah. It's like, well, then so can my son, unless you want to make this a fucking issue. And they're like, never mind.

Just go back to class. Do you think this philosophy, that's crazy. So she was like, do you think she's your muse? I mean, my mom's definitely Always propelled me To do whatever I wanted to do To be the best you can be Yeah I mean she was

Also very naive And didn't know that I was on drugs When I was on drugs Yeah Until later You know And didn't know that I was But you kept on going to prison though

Like how does she not know Is she very naive about that I mean I went to jail a bunch of times That she didn't know until later Oh Cause she'd get arrested And then you just get out Like they call your mom When you went to jail a bunch of times that she didn't know until later. Oh. Because she'd get arrested and then you just get out. Like they call your mom when you go to jail.

Yeah, you're right. I haven't been to prison that many times. It is halftime at the Andy Fresco interview hour. Well, hello. I am Arno Bucker. And this is Staying Relevant with Arno Bacher. On today's segment, we will be analyzing the lyrical structure of the song

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of the Bird Cloud Girls? See you next week in Staying Relevant with Arno Bakker. Did you have any, like like mentors that inspired you to like, basically like it was kind of like the night, the nighting, like, Hey, I actually can fucking do this. I could actually be a professional artist. Well, I mean, I started tattooing and, um, I,

I very quickly into my career, I got to meet a guy who'd been tattooing a really long time his name was richard stell he moved to dallas and opened a tattoo shop and at the time he was like the best tattoo artist around like he had a shop in houston everybody knew who he was and he moved to dallas and he opened a shop so i started hanging out that shop shortly after he hired me and like basically became my mentor and taught me how to tattoo. And, you know, then I learned like guest artists would come from other cities. He would go work in other shops in other cities and then they would come and work at his shop.

So I met these artists that were coming from all around. And pretty quickly into my career, like a guy from California came and worked and worked at the shop and i met him his name was eric mosky he was like this guy that was like i looked up to him as a tattoo artist when i was very young and he was like man you should come out to california and come work at my shop for a week and hang out or whatever and i'm like i'm coming let went tell me when i'll buy you know so and then how old were you here i was probably 22 okay so you're in it 22 23 first year first year of actually professionally tattooing um and so i learned a lesson right then that like you know you can do you know a lot of people oh i'm gonna i'm gonna travel someday i was like well someday is today you know what a lot of people, Oh, I'm going to, I'm going to travel someday. I was like, well, someday is today. You know what I mean?

Like you get an opportunity, you just seize that opportunity. And so over the last 20 years, like I meet somebody, I go to a convention in London, you know, and I'm tattooing a convention. London. I meet a guy from Ireland, this guy, Ross Nagel from Ireland. He's like, Hey bud, you should come work at my shop in Ireland. I'm like,'m like okay I'll do it and I go to Ireland and then I meet somebody in Italy and then hey you should come to my shop okay I'll do it so whenever I meet somebody how many years did you do that for I mean I've been traveling to still yeah you're a fucking rock star dude I still travel non-stop you still love it I love it I love to? I love it. I love to travel. I love going.

But I tell people, like, oh, whenever anybody invites me to do something, I'm like, hey, if you invite me, I will show up. Because a lot of people are like, oh, you should do this. And then, you know, oh, I'd like to come see you someday. But I'll do it. You know, and then I've just, I very purposely have made myself available to drop everything and be able to go. Fly by the seat of my pants. That's why I don't, like I have friends that are very famous, very busy, great booked up tattooers. And they are booked up for a year or two.

Solid. You lose your freedom. So when somebody says, dude, we're going to get on our bikes and ride to Vegas. They're like, nah, I can't go. I got appointments for the next year. I'm like, let's go. I'll cancel my appointments and go. Whatever.

So when I started getting busy and started getting booked up in advance, I started realizing like, man, this is going to stop me. I can do a tattoo when I get back. I don't need to do it tomorrow. And people are like, oh, I really want to get tattooed. I'm like, man, it's a tattoo. It's going to be there forever. You can get it later.

Or you can get it, you can get somebody else to do it. Or I'll do it next week instead of this week. Whatever the case. But, you know, now that I'm, now that I'm filming this TV show, it's like a hard deadline. How many years have you been doing that? We're just about to film the 13th season. Ink Masters? Not 13 years, 13 seasons.

Because some years we've done two seasons. Holy fuck, that thing's been around for 13 years. No, not years. 13 seasons, yeah. So it's like eight years it's been around? Yeah, it's been like eight years so that doing that project is like the hardest thing about it is on this day i have to be in new york and i have to be there for two fucking months it's fun and it's easy and it's a great

job and we have a great time but man you know how much other cool shit's going on in those two months that I have to say no to? And I'm not used to that. Oh my God. So that's the hardest thing for me is being nailed down to that schedule. Do you think happiness is flexibility and saying yes? 100%. flexibility and saying yes 100 i also think that uh the biggest it's hard to say but not the same thing is going to make everybody happy you have to be able to find what it is for you for, flexibility and being able to travel and being able to,

I mean, obviously I do being able to do whatever you want should you would think, Hey, you can do whatever you want. You should be happy now. Sometimes that doesn't work for everybody. Yeah. You know,

works for me, but it doesn't work. It doesn't work for everybody. You think it would, but it's, it's very, happiness is a very tricky thing. I've always just been inherently

happy and I was like basically bred to be happy. My parents, my mom and my grandparents were just very friendly and open and honest, happy people. So I just don't have any of the, not ever like hiding who I am from anybody.

Yeah. You know, but. What about to yourself? I mean, I don't think so. I mean, I just, it's very, I get very confused when, when people seemingly should be happy and they're not, you know, cause I have some friends that are in situations where you think they have it all, but then they're just not happy. Yeah. You know? And I'm just like, I'm not really that good at being at like

figuring out what it is that they need. You know? Because to me, I'm like, well, hey, just fuck it. Let's just go do this

and have a good time and then not, whatever's, whatever you're worried about, quit worrying about it. Yeah. You know? Do you think it's like more like

lead by example? And see if that works for them? I've definitely seen it work for some and not work for others. Really? How so? I mean, I just... Some people... I don't know.

Some people just need something different. Yeah. Well, that goes back to doing the Ink Masters. What's it like to guide other people in your field, trying to tell them how to make it? That must be hard, right? Well, as far as the Ink Master show, I mean, that's pretty much just like this competition reality thing

where it's like somebody does something, and then I just say it's good or say it's bad and i say whatever i personally feel about it and i you know basically somebody does a tattoo i look at the tattoo i talk for about 10 minutes and say everything good or bad about it that i think and then a group a team of people go and edit it and make it whatever the fuck they want it to be. So, I mean, I have so much control over what I say, but in the end, it's their product to market. What's like the biggest, like you feel like, yeah, I really inspired this guy and he's like blew up or he's making art that you got him outside of the bubble of this. He thinks there's an idea of what

tattooing should be in you it's like it's like lsd you're like the lsd to some of these well there's been a few there's been a few young tattooers that we've that i've hired and brought to dallas and worked at elm street and let them really their career started there and deep elm is a magical place and it's always been a busy place and it's busy for tattooing and a lot of tattoo shops a regular tattooer will do one or two tattoos a day but you come to elm street you're going to do eight or ten tattoos a day yeah so if you do something 10 times a day you're obviously going to get better faster than if you did it twice a day so so it's numbers people accelerate very quickly in that

environment it's a very positive push forward environment it's i mean it can also be stressful it can also be taxing it can also be you know the crazy drunk people friday at one in the morning that wants some you know it can that that bar can be nerve-wracking but people we've had a couple of really really great young people come in and just become great tattooers really fast you know in in working elm street and that's super cool to see and then they go off because nobody stay not not everybody stays in one place forever you know they come like i didn't stay in the same shop that I started at. People come, they grow, and then we have people coming from all over

the country to work at Elm Street all the time. So the same as them. They meet the guy that came from California and then they invite him to go to California. And he goes to California. And then now they're out in the world fucking being awesome. How hard is it to say no to people's ideas? Nowadays? Now you're popular.

The first 10 years of tattooing, I did whatever walked in the door. So what's the weirdest fucking thing? Somebody walked in the door and just wants some crazy shit, or lame shit, or bummer shit, or they just want a little line, or some people want one word, some people want their signature just like their grandmother wrote it, or some people want their arm solid black, or somebody wants, you know, whatever people want their arm solid black or somebody wants you know who know whatever

people want you just do it nowadays i say no more than you know i get 10 emails and i book two because the other eight people want something i'm not gonna do you want a tree nope next you know so it's like that i have a list of things on the on the and i'm like nope can't do it it's on the list they're like what's the list of what i'm like list nope, can't do it. It's on the list. They're like, what's the list? List of what? I'm like, list of shit I don't want to do. Yeah. What do you want to do? Eagles. Eagles?

Eagles, skulls, daggers, pinup girls, hearts, stuff like that. Do you think, you know, going back to this. No trees. No trees. That's so funny. Isn't there a venue called Trees in Dallas too? There is. It's a great venue.

I saw Firehose there in 1989. Do you not go to Trees? I do. We had our tattoo festival there two weekends ago. Oh, nice. So tell me about these tattoo conventions. I'm just curious. When did this shit start blowing up the way it did?

Was it the reality show you started? No. It was before that? I it the reality show you started? No. It was before that? I mean, the tattoo conventions started in the 70s. Yeah. And a lot of people that don't know about tattoos or don't know about tattoo culture or don't know about the tattoo industry,

they have the idea of a tattoo convention being like a flea market. Like, oh, there's a tattoo convention. There's 100 tattoo artists there. I'm going to go in there and I'm going to get the best deal on a tattoo. Like it's a flea market. Like, oh, there's a tattoo convention. There's 100 tattoo artists there. I'm going to go in there, and I'm going to get the best deal on a tattoo. Like it's a flea market. That is not what a tattoo convention is. A tattoo convention is the opportunity for someone who lives in Dallas, Texas,

to get a tattoo from someone from Italy without having to fly to Italy. So the guy from Italy is not going to give you a cheaper tattoo. You're actually going to pay more than you would if you went to the shop. Like you can go to a tattoo shop and get an $80 tattoo. Or you can go to a tattoo convention and pay the guy from Ireland $800 to get a tattoo and get a big tattoo that may only be $500 if you went to the shop down the street. But that guy came from Ireland. You know what i

mean see you saved 1800 not buying a ticket in a hotel and a rent-a-car and all this shit going to ireland or whatever so that's the deal you know the big thing the big idea of tattoo conventions is that to give people in boston a chance to get tattooed from people in texas without having to go to texas and whatever so that said, when you have a tattoo convention in Dallas and all the tattoo shops in Dallas go set up at that tattoo convention, what the fuck? Yeah. So my convention that I put on is very small.

Yeah. It's 30 tattooers from around the world and no local artist no locals you handpick every artist but all the shops in Dallas that I know and I'm friends with hey can we get a booth I'm like no your shop is one mile down the street

why do you want to pack up and come over here when you can just sit at your shop and do tattoos like this convention is for the city. Do you change the artists every year? Yeah. So, wow.

Fascinating. So how many people do you think you do? Like how many people roll into this tattoo convention? Like are you pumping these out? Like each artist is pumping them out? I mean, we have 30 artists at the convention and they are busy booked up all weekend cool you know so it's like there's not that many artists but they're all busy you go to another tattoo convention there's 300 tattooers and they're

not all busy you know because there's so many tattooers you can only you know there's and there's only so many public to go get tattooed. And it's the same people that are working down the street anyway, so there's no real urgency to get tattooed from Jimmy because you could go on Tuesday and go to a shop in Arlington and get tattooed by Jimmy. But you got Ross Nagle from Ireland here right now. Here's your window. You better get it these three days.

What's the craziest impromptu thing you've done because you had nothing to do? these three days. What's the craziest impromptu thing you've done because you had nothing to do? One day, me and my best friend, Jeff Milburn,

we had been talking about riding our motorcycles to California. Yeah. And we were like, oh, we got to plan this trip. We got to drive to California, you know, blah, blah, blah.

And then, you know, we didn't think, we didn't talk about it again for a couple weeks or whatever. And then one day we were at lunch and we were like, man, what's your calendar look like? When can you then one day we were at lunch, and we were like, man, what's your calendar look like? When can you go?

And I looked at my calendar, and I was like, man, I don't know. I got so much shit going on. Unless we go today. He's like, well, I can go today. And we finished our sandwich, and I went home, grabbed the backpack. He went home, grabbed the backpack, got on our bikes, and we rode to California. What's the longest?

What the fuck? Are you serious? Yeah. But that's so Buddhist. That's just like living in the moment. Yeah. Wow. That's pretty tight.

What's the longest trip you've done on a bike? Well, we ride a lot. I've ridden to both coasts every year for the last 10 years and how many hours you do a day uh depends on what you're doing sometimes i mean i've definitely done a bunch of thousand mile days and then i've done a bunch of hundred mile days have you ever eaten shit on a bunch yeah yeah bunch. Yeah? Yeah. What was the worst one? Well, a couple years ago, we were riding across the top of the country, and I had my girlfriend on the back, and we crashed in Wyoming. And just exploded and flew all over the highway.

It was wild. Do you ever get in an accident that makes you want to quit not yet i mean i've crashed a bunch of bikes but always you know you say you don't like fucking pain dude that's fucking painful yeah it is but i mean what can you do i don't like pain but i'm not gonna not i'm not gonna i'm not gonna not do something in fear of getting hurt. Yeah. Well, it's like anything in life, right? Yeah.

It's like saying yes to things before saying no, right? Yeah. I don't know. I'm trying to figure that out because I say yes too much, and then I get in this trap. Now I'm booked until 2022. And then I have no freedom to go chase pussy or go on a fucking trip.

I've always wanted to go do the Jesus walk in Spain. And I don't have time to do that anymore. And it's like you take a step back and you figure out what you want to do. And I'm obsessive compulsive too. I want to be a musician. I haven't left the road for 14 years you know it's like it's is that is ben like that too does he love the road

i would say 100 yeah i mean i started i mean that's the whole the the ben thing is a whole different story i mean they are he, they're true musicians, man. They, yeah, they just, uh, I mean, I've been on tour with them many, many times and they are, they just, they will hit hard. They will hit hard where, you know, just literally falling out of the tour bus, puking drunk and then fucking the best show of their life the next night, and then the next night,

and then the next night. Do you ever travel with them? A lot. A lot. Many, over the last couple years, done a lot of touring with them. I've done a lot of touring with a lot of bands.

I was on the Warped Tour for, like, five or six years I did the Warped Tour every year. I was on the Warped Tour for five years too. What years did you do it? I did it 04 through 07. I was there. Shut the fuck up.

Yeah. The worst part of the Warped Tour was when you had the 2 o'clock set in fucking Pomona, and it's fucking hot. Oh, man. So what were you doing over there? I was tattooing. At Warped Tour? Yeah, I had a tour bus. It was a tattoo shop

inside the tour bus. Whose idea was this? Mine. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. And all the punk bands, that was when they had the really good punk stages.

Dude, it was great. So in 05, I went, a buddy of mine who works for me now, his name's Aaron Finnan, he was tour managing a band called Matchbook Romance. I know Matchbook Romance. Fucking, that band was dope aaron finnan he was tour managing a band called matchbook

romance i know matchbook romance fucking that band was dope okay so he's tour managing them they came they wanted he had he's totally blasted tattoos by me they all wanted to get tattooed so he calls me up and say hey this band i'm working for they all want tattoos you should come out and tattoo them on the tour bus so i came out on warp tour set up in the back lounge tattooed for like five days tattooed everybody in the band tattooed everybody all these people on tour want to get tattooed time came for me to leave tour and i was like all right i'm going home so many people want to get tattooed and they're like stay longer i was like man i got a plane ticket i gotta fly home from fucking chicago or wherever the fuck we are and they're like stay

four more days to milwaukee or or till whatever and we'll buy you a plane ticket home from there if you stay we'll all get tattooed everybody'll chip in and buy you another plane ticket i was like okay cool so i stay on the bus keep tattooing another couple days get to whatever city gonna fly home 10 more people want to get tattooed stay Stay more. We'll buy you another plane ticket. Stay again. So then we get to the end. Now I've been on tour for like three weeks. And I'm like, I got to go home.

I just got to go home. I got to do some shit. I got to pay rent. I got to do things. Back then I was just like. Were you making money on these tattoos? Lots of money. That's fucking awesome.

So all these kids on Warped Tour, they play 45 minutes a day, and the rest of the time, they're just sitting around in the tour bus with nothing to do other than play PlayStation, and they have nothing to even spend money on. And that was when they were slamming three bands in one bus, right? I mean, Matchbook had their own bus. I used to work for Drive-Thru Records, so I did the Drive-Thru stage, all those bands. So I was like, I used to work for Drive Thru Records. Yeah. So I did the Drive Thru stage, all those bands.

So I was like, I gotta go home for at least a couple days. Like, well, then fly back out. And so I was like, all right, cool. And Matchbook was leaving the tour

and MXPX was staying on the tour. And I had met Mike and Tom and Yuri and they're like, you can come tattoo on our bus. So I flew back out, met back up with Warped Tour, Got tattooed on the MXPX bus For a week

And the end of the week Time to go home Everybody's like Stay longer So Bought another plane ticket Stayed longer Ended up doing the whole rest of the tour

And I fucking You know there's Yeah Warped Tour's big A lot of bands Plus there's About six to eight hundred people That just work On Warped Tour's big, a lot of bands. Plus there's about 600 to 800 people that just work on Warped Tour. Building stages, building lights, building sound, building booths, driving trucks, driving buses, doing catering.

There's like 40 employees that do catering. I touch it to all of them. Everybody. Damn, you're the Warped Tour the end the end of that summer I come home and I'm like we've got to get a tour bus and put a tattoo shop in it

and go on Warped Tour so I talk to these two buddies of mine we buy this buy this big race car trailer thing build a tattoo shop in it show up on Warped Tour

the next year and I had made friends with Kurt Soto from Vans and he was like come on out you can we'll give you passes and laminates you'll be on Soto from Vans. Yeah. And he was like, come on out. We'll give you passes, Laman,

and you'll be on the tour with Vans or whatever. So Kevin Lyman was kind of against it, but then he was into it, so then he finally was okay with it. What's he like? That's the guy that runs the Warped Tour, right? Yeah, whole nother story. Yeah.

Whole nother long story we won't get into. Okay. But Lisa Brownlee, the girl that was his the main tour manager of all warp tour yeah greatest woman ever yeah um she uh set us up and then every year from for the next four years we had a tour bus on warp tour so do you think that's how really like kind of like jump started you being like you're kind of the tattoo artist of all these fucking musicians dude i tattooed every fucking band on warp tour and then so i met everybody from all these bands that

i love fucking tattoo the alkaline trio guys love alkaline trio yeah they're like so now warp tour's over and they're going on a tour through the fucking midwest i'm like fuck it i'm going on tour with alkaline trio boom went on tour alkaline trio and i meet tattoo the fucking after driving guys i tattoo these guys i tattoo those guys i tattoo you know and then i'm just doing all these tours i went on tour the mxpx a bunch i went on tour with and but all this time my favorite band is lucero fucking awesome they weren't even a warp tour band no they weren't and nobody in warp tour knew who they were but at the end of the night when we were breaking down and loading up the trailer we jammed lacero and my buddy jimmy perlman who is managing he managed saves the day

for a seat one year he managed thursday one year me and him were hanging out all the time we love lacero so then like 2000 and maybe 2008 or 9 or something comes along He calls me up He's like I just got a gig Tour managing Lucero And I was like We're in Oh so you didn't know those guys You just loved their music

And so then Shut the fuck up I had met Ben at a revival tour show What Jimmy was on. But Jimmy got the gig, tour manager in Lucero. And I was like, that's it. Going on tour with Lucero. So the next like however many years, every year, I would just at least a week or more of their Lucero tour.

Every tour they went on, I would go on it. every tour they went on i would go on it and uh either ride on the bus with them and tattoo in the bus or bring my own trailer own rv with the tattoo shop in it and follow them on tour i follow them on tour when they're on tours against me and dropkick murphy's and a bunch of other bands and so you know when there's two or three bands on a tour together there's like five members in each band there's like three or four crew members of each band there's like you know, when there's two or three bands on a tour together, there's like five members in each band. There's like three or four crew members of each band. There's like, you know, there's like 20, 30 people to tattoo. So two or three people a day for a couple of weeks. Busy, busy.

And I'm the only person that has, I have a tattoo from every member of Lucero, even past members that aren't in the band anymore. What? Yeah. So what tattoo did John C give you? He just wrote John C. What about Ben? He did the star with the L in it.

Oh, cool. Wow. That's so cool, man. So you're like a super fan. You're like a groupie. Yeah. I also have this, when I was on Warped Tour,

I would get tattooed from all the people that were my favorite on the tour. Really? So I've got tattoos from all the guys in the Bronx.

Who's the best artist out of all the bands? There's not even, there's not about being an artist because it's just, they're basically people's names. Like signing a cast. Shut the fuck up.

My whole arm is just littered with bullshit. It's so rad, dude. I call it the party arm, party tats. So we would have, we would just set up machines and everybody would just tattoo each other party style late at night. And you're completely sober. Oh, yeah. I love this shit so much, Oliver.

Oh, dude. Yeah yeah look at all the names oh look it's perfectly like no one's touching that area no shit that's badass so what do you think it is what what do you love about people permanently is it the memories you love? Definitely. And I have a terrible memory so it helps me remember. Oh man. This has been such a great interview. Let's leave with this one. Also, I'm going to get a tattoo from you.

Now that we did the podcast that'd be fucking awesome. I think people are going to listen to this and not even know what happened because we didn't even stay on any topic for more than one minute. It's just ADD. That's my life, you know? No, that's why we're going to mark it on me. Part one.

Part one. Yeah, I mean, I'm down to do this again. What do you want to be remembered by, man, when it's all said and done? Well, I also have this philosophy of when it's all over, you can burn it all to the fucking ground because Because I'm gone, it doesn't matter anymore. I don't think that... The idea of like a monument to somebody that's dead is something that doesn't make much sense to me. Because that person's gone and they don't know that it's there.

You know, and most people get celebrated... Most of the greats get celebrated after they're dead especially in the art in art you know what i mean uh very few people that are artists get recognized while they're still i mean rock stars musicians but like as far as like artists you know um so to me it's about living in the moment and just enjoying every minute that I'm here. And like I said, when it's over, burn it all to the fucking ground. Fucking punk rock as fuck, dude. Oliver, that's awesome.

So if you could give advice to 21-year-old Oliver who just got out of his fourth fucking jail, you know, his fourth jail ride. What would you tell him if he wants to be an artist now that you've been an artist for so many years? What would be the advice you'd give him? I don't know what I would do different. I feel like I took that advice already yeah

I would say I don't know live like there's no tomorrow that's it fucking rock and roll dude that's what I'd say my advice to most young people in general

not you know is My advice to most young people in general is don't get a girl pregnant. Yeah, I tell my audience at the end of every show, wear a condom. Do not get a girl pregnant. I do not have any kids. Dude, I knew you were the fucking unicorn, dude. No kids. Yeah, unfortunately for me. Do you have a baby phobia? I don't like kids. Yeah. do not have any kids dude i i knew you're the fucking unicorn dude no kids yeah unfortunately for me phobia i don't like kids yeah never had like what about like does that force you not to

have relationships with girls well the my my very amazing and wonderful girlfriend i have now we've been together for over nine years um she also does not want kids um and that was that was like one of the first clicks that we had that we got you know that i that we saw on each other um i was married for a very for a little while it was a terrible experience um with who a terrible drug addict abusive person mm-hmm it was a terrible I mean I hate I always said I was never gonna get married and you did and then I did it and it was this worst idea and so I tell everybody don't fucking get married um my girlfriend she also was married and is divorced. Why not get married, though?

Are we how much time we got? We got time. We can cut down the bullshit. I mean, do you got time? My flight's at 6 a.m. I personally don't believe in it. Yeah, me neither. I don't believe in it. Yeah. And I would say that, um, it is, it is modern society is not conducive to the institution of the stereotypical idea of marriage. People feel forced and people feel pressured by their families or their religion or their

culture or the movies they grew up watching as a kid to fall in love and have children and get, and get married. Um, but man, and everybody's like, well, my grandparents stayed married for 80 years and i'm like yeah and they were miserable it's true and they didn't have your your grandmother didn't have her own car your grandmother didn't have a fucking cell phone yeah you know your grandmother didn't do anything but cook your grandfather dinner

every night her whole life you know what i mean i mean that's the truth like my grandparents were great i love them they loved each other they stayed married until the day they died and my grandmother was basically an indentured servant and it's sad do you think but maybe she's not sad because she was happy. Because that's what she— That's all she knew. That was all she knew. And that's fine. She loved it, and she was happy, and she—you know, whatever it is.

But the girl you meet at the bar next week is not going to be like my grandmother. Yeah. She's not going to be—you know what I mean? Yeah. This ain't going to happen. Yeah. Times have changed. Have you ever convinced someone not to get married

and they didn't do it a couple times but I also have had a thousand people say you were right I shouldn't have done it cause I mean

for a decade solid decade I've been telling everybody that I can get near do not fucking do it and they fucking just get divorced and fucking

I've been on a hard hard hard wedding boycott for like probably over 10 years. Yeah. Like people invite me to their wedding. I'm like, not going. Like, come on, man.

I'm like, not going to be there. No way. I'm on a wedding boycott. My little brother got married. Didn't go. On a wedding boycott. You didn't go to your little brother's wedding? Can't.

Bro, really? I'm on a boycott. Okay, but hold on. And my brother says, why can't. Bro, really? I don't want to boycott. Okay, but hold on. And my brother says, why can't you come? I said, I'm going to boycott. He goes, well, can't you make an exception? I'm like, unfortunately, that's not how boycotts work. Was he offended?

I don't know if offended is the right word. He's definitely bummed out. Yeah. My stepmom was bummed out. It's my half-brother. I don't have any real brothers. I have a half-brother from my mom and a half-brother and half brother from my dad but uh yeah i was like can't do it you are a real motherfucker dude can't do it you're a real dude they got a guy that's one of my best friends worked for me for

many years he asked me to be the best man and i said best man i'm not even gonna be there are you serious serious a heart attack so but this is like the same thing going back to anything like you put your mind in that this is what i want to do and this is my so are you stubborn i'm i'm pretty uh you have to ask somebody else what they think about that i guess if i say i'm gonna do something definitely do. If I say I'm going to do something, I definitely do it. If I say I'm not going to do something, I definitely don't fucking do it. So if I say I'm not going to go to a wedding, I ain't going to a fucking wedding. If I say I'm going to quit doing drugs, I'm going to quit doing fucking drugs. Whatever it is.

My grandfather did say, you're only as good as your word. If your word ain't worth shit, you ain't worth shit. And I remember that from when I was like eight years old. And I'm just like... And they got to respect you for fucking... You try to tell them not to get fucking married. I'm not going to... You're not going to fake that you're going to like this thing. Well, when I was probably 28 years ago or something,

one of my best friends got married to this horrible, horrible, wretched soul. You know, as worthless as a person can be. Got married to this girl. And I was like, do not get married to this bitch. He's like, I love her. I'm like, whatever, dude. Do not do it. He goes, and he's like, asked me to be the best man.

And I'm like, dude, I don't want to He goes, and he's like, plan it and asked me to be the best man. And I'm like, dude, I don't want to fucking be there. Fuck this bitch. And he's like, bro, you're my best friend. I love you. I need you to just be there for me because we're tight. And I said, all right, brother, I love you. I will be there for you. And I did it. And then they had the worst marriage and she was a soul sucking bitchucking bitch and she fucked him over robbed him of all his money fucked a bunch of other dudes behind his back fucking left him in the dirt and and ruined his fucking life and i was a part of it yeah and i was like i will never be a part of that again wow so like so if my, who I really care about, wants

money to buy heroin with, I'm not going to give him money to buy heroin with because I don't believe that he should be doing heroin. So if you want to get married, I'm not a part of it because I don't think it's going to work out. What about when they say that they won't

have kids? You're not part of that either. I say don't do it. You don't babysit either I say don't do it. You don't babysit either. Hey, I've never changed a diaper my whole life. Never gonna. Never have, never will. Here's the thing.

Me and my girlfriend share this in common. I, my mom got remarried when I was like 11. Had a baby when I was like, he was born when I was like 12 or 13 or something. So when he was going to first grade, I was starting high school. So we're like that distance that far apart. And, uh,

living in the house with a baby is the worst fucking thing. Now I understand when you have a child and it's your flesh and blood that you shit out and you love it. You care about it. So everything it does is special. Oh, my God. Look at it. It moved its fingers.

It's amazing. It's a miracle. I mean, it's not a miracle. Every rat in the fucking alleyway shits out babies every fucking day. It's not a miracle. It's just nature. Don't get ahead of yourself. So anyway, living in a house with a fucking baby is miserable.

So I'm a teenager fucking baby's crying all fucking night screaming puking throwing up piss and shitting fucking all over the place just a fucking rat yeah all over the house yeah so in the middle of the night i'm fucking sleep i'm fucking 13 14 years old fucking little rat child over here screaming his fucking head off i fucking go in there pick a baby up by the leg walk across house go into bed and throw it in the bed like your baby's crying you know and leave it so then the kid gets to be a little bit older like i had no love for this child until it was like old enough for rational thought at all like my parents like we're going to the store you got to watch matthew for a little bit and i'm like i'm not watching the kids like

you got to watch the kid so they left i put'm not watching the kids. Like, you gotta watch the kid. So, they left. I put the kid in the laundry hamper, locked the laundry hamper, went in the TV room, put the TV on real loud and fell asleep. So, they come home.

Matthew's in there crying, locked in the laundry hamper and I'm fucking asleep on the couch. And they're all mad at me. I'm like, what are you mad at me for? You left the kid

in the house with me. She mad at yourself have you ever had a pregnancy scare huh have you had a pregnancy scare a few times but it was but they were bogus what do you mean like just girls girls trying to get some money no not really get money just like claiming they're pregnant when they weren't oh just to scare you into like committing just to be like we break up like well i'm like, well, I'm pregnant. I'm like, what? Oh, no. And then they're not.

So how do you know that they're not? Well. You'd get a test? You'd test them? I mean, there was never a baby. Oh. Well, duh. All or wow.

I've learned a lot. Because I have a commitment phobia. I've never had a relationship ever. So my girlfriend, I was saying we have this in common. She is the oldest of three of a Mexican family, live in El Paso. She has three younger brothers. Their mom, deadbeat mom, shit out and disappeared on dope.

So she was the mother to these kids, especially her youngest brother, who's like 10 years younger than her. So she basically raised this kid. She's already been a mom. She ain't going to do it again. Yeah. So she raised this kid she's already been a mom yeah she ain't gonna do it again yeah so she's like she's already been married so she doesn't have that fantasy of oh get to be married get to have that one day that's special on me get to walk down the aisle where everybody's looking at me because i'm the special day you know whatever bullshit

fairy tale dream that is yeah and then they she also has already raised children so she doesn't have that. She's already used up that. Yeah. So she's the perfect woman. Yeah. So now she doesn't want to get married. She doesn't want to have kids.

She likes to ride motorcycles. She cool with you just like doing your impromptu like, hey, I gotta get out. And she gets out sometimes too. Mm-hmm.

Sometimes like, hey, let's go. We travel a lot together. We do a lot of things together we i mean it's the best yeah i mean you just gotta you know i've had a lot of what's the key to a good relationship trust is all that matters trust trust 100 nothing nothing nothing is more important to trust if you don't trust someone don't waste't trust someone, don't waste your fucking time. Don't waste your fucking time.

Don't waste five minutes. That goes with relationships. Any relationship? Any relationship. Trust. Trust is the only thing that matters at all. I trust her. She trusts me.

If she don't trust me, then what's the use? Well, thanks for trusting me to do this interview, buddy. Hey, man. I appreciate it. Thank you. Keep it positive. Keep it positive.

Don't have fucking kids. Wear condoms, goddammit. If you don't wear condoms, you don't want to have a kid, it's actually going to happen. I'm telling you, man. Especially with all these abortion laws that are coming out. I'm just saying,

if you think that you want to have kids, then plan for it. You know what I mean? You don't just accidentally buy a car and can't afford the payment. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's not like one day I just woke up and there was this Cadillac in the driveway and I can't afford the payment now. Yeah. Like you want to go to Cadillac? Okay.

Get a job. Save up the money. Buy a Cadillac. Make the payments. You want to have a kid? Be responsible. Don't just accidentally have a kid because it's the worst. Buy a Cadillac. Make the payments. You want to have a kid? Be responsible. Don't just accidentally have a kid because it's the worst thing you could ever do. Yeah. On that note, let's get the fuck out of here. Oliver, thanks for being on the show, dude. And have fun with Ben.

And I'm recording with John C. actually next month. So in Memphis. Do you ever hang out in Memphis? I'm going there on Saturday. So you're driving up, riding my motorcycle, tattooing at bluff city, tattoo Brian Venables, partner in the shop, hanging out with John C, Joe Brown, all the guys. We'll have fun with that. And thanks for being on the show, buddy. Thank you. What's up everybody. Kyle Ayers here again. Remember I am running for president of the United States.

And I want to let you know a little bit about my platform. Here's a big thing on Kyle's platform. You know when you're shopping and someone comes up to you and they're like, Hey, do you need some help with anything? And you say no. If that person comes back up and asks you if you need help again, you can kill them. You can legally kill them. That is my platform.

What could have changed in the 10 seconds you're looking at socks what could have changed why come back up why come back up why would you why are you sure you don't need and I know how socks work I'm just looking for some and look let's be honest we're at a department store no one's been in here in 20 years I'm not gonna buy anything I'm killing time until Annie Ants pretzels opens up. That's my platform. If someone approaches you twice while you're shopping and asks you if you need help

after the second time, fair game. Think of it like a retail purge. All right. There we have it. Thank you, Oliver, for being on the show Fucking killer We got one of the best tattoo artists on the planet on the show

It's nice to see his philosophy on how art is And how he's fucking riding motorcycles with the boys from Lucero It's fucking tight The man Gator on the show my boy he's he's a fucking great dude uh oh i love i feel bad it just got out of a relationship with a girl for eight years and um you know the man needs a busting nut so anyone get this man some pussy if you can just he's such a good guy um if it's short term awesome if it's long term even cooler but get this man's dick wet if we can uh world saving fam but that's it guys

you know this is the last day on tour with pigeons this is the last day basically i got two more shows when this records we just have one more show that's uh november 8th on the podcast um not on the podcast what am i talking i'm so tired and delusional i did cocaine last night guys i gotta i gotta tell you i did some cocaine last night yeah i was partying fucking partying and i feel it today it's uh my head hurts and i realized what I do, you know, uh, I know that I don't like doing it. So, but what can you do? I was having fun. Can't fucking judge yourself over a little relapse, a little black, you know, just get back on the horse tomorrow and, you know, get back on your routine. But, uh, November 8th, uh, yeah, dude, Boston's crazy, dude Every time I go to Boston, I have this weird

Fucked up experience You know, I don't know if it's the juju that they know That I'm a Laker fan and I'm just repping Lakers all day Like, I did the Levitate Music Festival People were pissed off That I was just being obnoxious I think they're pissed because I'm a Laker fan

And that's how it's gonna be,, boys. So we're going to have this relation together, Boston. We're going to love each other. We're going to accept our feelings towards each other's communities, and we're just going to have a great time together. So shout out to Boston for bringing the cocaine last night because that was a lot of fun and whatnot. But speaking of cocaine, we are going to be in Glen Falls, New York. I don't know if there's cocaine in Glen Falls, but November 8th, Wild Adriotics Festival, they're called The Summit. We're playing on the 9th, but I'm flying in a day early and whatnot to go hang out with the boys and shit. I'm finishing the record, which I'm stoked on. I fly to LA after that for like seven days and fucking finish the record, mix it, get it done

so we can get it out there by, you know, hopefully the beginning of the year if Brian gets us a record deal. Brian, get us a record deal. No, record deals are bullshit. Get a Debrisian deal. That's where I think where it's going to be at. Fuck, oh yeah, dude.

I'm having bad luck with houses,. I am having a horrible luck. This is the fourth house I've put on contract in Denver. And, uh, now we found out there's a fucking, there's a leak in the basement and now we had to, we had to terminate our closing. I feel like the universe is telling me not to go to fucking Denver, Colorado. I really do. It's like I've had four, I don't know, maybe I'm just being a bitch about all this, I just don't have enough time to fuck around, come on universe, get me a house, get me a dove house, so now I don't know what the fuck to do for the next couple months, I might, I don't want to stay on anyone's couch, I doing that for fucking ever I think I might rent a pad in New York For the month of December

In the city Or I don't know Maybe try Denver Maybe LA I'm kind of in limbo right now It kind of feels weird Because I don't have anywhere to go I'm not saying like

Oh boo hoo It's kind of exciting too Like I'm in Chicago I'm hanging out with some friends Maybe the universe is telling me To'm hanging out with some friends maybe the universe is telling me to go hang out with people you care about and don't get stuck if you feel like you're stuck the universe will give you signs that make you you know like lyle says take your brain off the microscope and look around you you know know, own that shit. I've been going to therapy

and it's been kicking ass, dude. I've been kicking ass and, you know, just listening and like, open me up. I thought I was fucked up. I thought I was damaged goods, but, um, you know, I thought I was just born with some fucked up shit. No, it's like, no, it was just how I was raised. You know, it's like, and, uh, I'll get into that later on. I don't really want, all No, it's like, no, it was just how I was raised. You know, it's like, and I'll get into that later on. I don't really want, all right, it's this closing segment. But I really, really love therapy. And it's only my third session, so I could start hating once he starts getting deeper into my life.

But it's really helping me out. There's a weird stigma about therapy. Don't be scared to do therapy guys seriously if you're feeling bad you know like i was thinking about i'm like what are the pros and cons the cons yeah it's 200 bucks an hour okay cool but i've spent way worse shit on 200 you know like i fuck dude i've oh i bought a lot of dumb shit with 200 bucks so like if you're gonna spend 200 bucks on yourself it's like uh you know getting your nails done or fucking getting a massage you know you gotta get your brain massage in there so find a therapist if you guys are feeling like you can't

talk to anyone about shit because i i felt like that too and it really helped me out so shout out to my therapist i don't put him on blast on blast, but we'll definitely talk more about what he's analyzing on me publicly because that's how I am. But it was great. I love New York. Man, PlayStation Theater. Boston was fucking tight with pigeons. We kind of talked about it. Gator, we all dressed up as wrestlers. it was just fucking badass, I just, man, I'm having a different perspective on life these days, and, you know, I don't wanna, I don't wanna dread the little shit anymore, you know, like, I'm such a neurotic fucking person, you know, I blame my Jewish heritage for that, but, you know, doubtfully speaking, you know, these, you know, the Jews gone through a lot of shit, but, you know, that's on a different topic as well. So I'm just trying to let go of that shit and just trying to enjoy the moment, hang out with your friends. You know, when you're feeling sad, figure out why you're feeling sad. Don't just let it fester and whatnot. But, um, I'm just talking now, guys,

I'm tired. Uh, I've been on the road for three and a half months or fucking forever. Don't know what I'm going to do with my free time. If you guys have any ideas, maybe we'll go snowboarding or something. I don't fucking know. Maybe go fucking surf, get a hobby. But I'm liking how everything's going. My career's going well. Howard Stern was dope as fuck. Shout out to everyone who listened to me on the wrap-up show.

It was a good time talking with Gary. They called me the Pussy Hunter. That's my nickname for the Howard Stern show. Andy the Pussy Hunter Frasco. I don't know how I feel about it yet. I feel like it's a me too waiting to happen. The Pussy Hunter attacked me. I'm hoping that's how I got to keep my dick in my pants Until the Pussy Hunter Theme name Gets out of the way But I hope you had fun on the show We got my boy Jesus from Lettuce on the show next week Very fascinating interview

Fascinating live And fascinating outlook on life Like he's a good guy And I'm really excited for you to hear that interview with Jesus. Who else we got? We got Marco Benevento on the show. We got Todd Berry, comedian.

We got a couple comedians. And then the grand finale. I just locked this down. I know for sure it's going to be like, down fucking sad until you do the interview, but it's going down. I got Judd Apatow. We're interviewing Judd Apatow. We're interviewing Judd Apatow. We're talking about his life.

It's happening, guys. This is fucking crazy. This podcast is changing lives, and I just thank you so much for fucking letting me figure out my life via public space. So shout out to everyone with me on the ride. It's going to be great. I can't believe it's almost December. I don't have that many shows. I'm playing China for New Year's.

Don't really have anything to promote this month. Just a lot of interviews, a lot of people talking about their life, and I can't wait to just get to know each other. I'm learning a lot of new tricks from this therapist because he's analyzing analyzing me and I'm studying his analyzation so I can analyze people. Oh man, man. So maybe I'm like kind of going to school too while he's trying to figure out, um, how my brain is in such a knot right now. Um, but shout out to the therapist once again, but ladies and that's it for now. Um. I'll leave you with this. Life's short.

You never know when it's your turn to leave the party. Look what Gator said. He thinks about, takes for granted. It's scary. You're living in a vessel, a metal vessel, and you're trusting your bass player or your fucking drummer to drive you around through the night, you know, doped up on Adderall and coffee and fucking Taco Bell, you know, it is scary, dog, so take advantage of any, you never know what's gonna happen, so take advantage of every second you have in this life You know

If you feel like you need to get better Get better Feel like you need to take less drugs Take less drugs Stop fucking randoms Whatever it is Wear condoms if you are gonna fuck randoms You know whatever it is

That you feel you need to do To get you back to who you used to be Fucking do it Alright guys. Love you. Comb your hair. I'm looking at myself in the mirror right now. My hair is gross.

I saw a beer in it from last night. I gotta learn how to take showers at night. And not let the beer just marinate my fucking fro. But yeah. Take care of yourselves. Wear condoms. Comb your hair. Arno.

Give me something nice and sweet for the people all to listen to until I get to talk to them next week. All right. Love you guys. Well, thank you for listening to episode 64 of Andy Fresco's World's Having Podcast.

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For more info on the blog and tour dates, head to andyfresco.com. Got to remind you to change your pace. It will change your life. Go have a listen to that album. This week's guest is Oliver Peck from the show Ink Master. Find it online at the Paramount Network or on their YouTube channel. Our special co-host is Gator from Pigeons Playing Ping Pong.

Yes, pigeonsplayingpingpong.com. This week's special guests were Sean Eccles, Andy Avila, Ari Feindlings, Kyle Ayers and Arno Bakker. I gotta run. We're hosting a Roots festival at our local venue named Take Root. With 24 bands in 8 hours and plenty of good American folk coming in. Robert Ellis, Doug Seegers, Drive-By-Truckers, too many to name. We'll have beer and burgers. I don't expect fresco-like situations, but all that craziness is pretty unique anyway, we all know that. Today, there will be good clean foot tapping, hip swaying

and an occasional yee-haw! So, see you next week, folks!