Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 67: Futurebirds & Beebs

Episode Date: December 3, 2019

We packed jam in this week's episode: opening up the show with Beebs from Beebs and Her Money Makers; wherein, we learn of her superhero origin story, which involves a certain cult (and maybe even some munchausen by proxy). On the interview hour, we got Futurebirds! Andy and the boys talk about staying healthy and present on the road. Ahri reviews Black Friday. Don't sleep on EP 67, y'all. Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, tour dates, the band and the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com The views discussed on this podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the guests. Check out Andy's new album, "Change Of Pace" on iTunes and Spotify Follow our friends, Futurebird at: www.futurebirdsmusic.com and check out the wonderful Beebs at beebsmusic.com    Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Hunter Cope Ahri Findling Arno Bakker 

Hey Andy, it's your dad. I just wanted to say I'm really glad you showed up for Thanksgiving yesterday. That was really great to see you. I appreciate you coming in. Your mom does too. So we'll see you for Christmas and no funny business then, alright? Alright, love you, Andy. Bye. Hi, Mr. Frasco. It's Gerald from Ashley Furniture Home Store. First off, I just wanted to say how excited we are about your move to Denver.

We are excited to have you in our city. I'm going through the list of stuff you asked us to look for, and it looks like we are coming up short on a couple of items. Let me just go through them with you. We do not carry sex wings. I apologize. Additionally, we do not make race car beds in a king. The largest size we have is a toddler. Let me know if you're interested in that. I've also never heard of countertops made of ice fluges. I'm not really sure how that would work. We do have concrete countertops if you're interested in that. Tanning beds, those are going to run you about

$4,000. However, we do not sell the taint attachment that you mentioned. I'm guessing you could probably find that on Amazon. I also unfortunately don't think that the chair that Darth Vader slept in is real, but maybe you could find something similar on eBay. Everything else on your list we're able to fulfill. Please let me know if you want us to ship us to your new address or if you will come into the store and pick it up. Thanks so much and welcome to Denver. All right, here we are. Andy Frasco's world-saving podcast. How we doing, everyone? How's our hearts? How's our minds? Are we staying off of the fucking demons that fucking ruin our days? I hope so,

because they're just thoughts that we can control. But we are in san diego i got a co-host today i got uh actually we have a very kind of similar story uh first off hey beebs hi beebs and her money makers huh hey what's gucci dog oh you know just another beautiful day in the san diego yo so you're in San Diego. You're from Florida. Yeah. You basically started your scene as like a ska? No. Okay.

It's a misconception. Tell me. I started as a funk band in the jam band scene in Florida and surrounding areas. And it was always kind of a mix of like funk and funk and rock and blues and soul but it's just a fun show you know the purpose of the band is that we were super superheroes our own superheroes we had our own comic book um our own everything and uh what was your superpowers uh my superpowers is just making everyone love each other look at you little hippie i know i know

so you were in the funk scene so how'd you get into the warp tour scene like how'd you meet kevin and had like so this is crazy so before uh the band i was in i was on the music business side of things so i was a promoter at beebs promos i built festivals i managed bands i tour managed i was a booking agent i did all the things you, you know? And then I was like, one day I was like, F this, I'm just going to do this for myself because you know, you, you invest a lot in people and bands and you get them to this point and then they kind of blow opportunities. It's really ultimately up to a band where they want to be, regardless of the opportunity set in front of them. So I would get frustrated and I was like, I'm just going to do this for myself. Cause I come from theater and singing my whole life and stuff.

And I also, for some reason, as an adult, as a semi-adult, created like, you know, developed stage fright. So I needed a costume. Maybe that's coming from theater. You know, when you put your suit on, like that's, you know. I feel like that's a lot of front men. Yeah. Like it's an alter ego. yeah like it's an alter ego yeah

it's an alter ego everyone thinks i'm super outgoing and i am i'm social but i'm kind of a just quiet stoner and always in my nerdy like little art world you know i'm not not that i'm not social i'm the person that throws the parties not that goes to the party are you like the great gaspy do you like not show up to the parties yeah it's possible that i may not make it i might throw the party and then you know show up in the last five Yeah, it's possible that I may not make it. I might throw the party and then show up in the last five minutes and be like, everyone having a great time. What did you find in music that made you feel

comfortable getting out of your comfort zone? I feel, for me, music's always been a huge part of my life. Like most artists, I had a really effed up life and childhood and crazy life. What happened? Oh my gosh. That's for a two hour long episode.

What's the abridged? The abridged, I've never told this actually in public. So my mother, I was adopted. My parents adopted me when they were like 45. They had a midlife crisis and adopted me from here in California. How old were they? They were 45, 45 and 48. I know. I'm like, midlife crisis? You just want a baby? Some old balls over there, dog.

Old balls. So what happened? My mom was a really sweet lady, but she had a gnarly childhood too. She was really abused, and so she had what they call Munchausen by proxy syndrome, which is where you keep someone you love sick all the time for your own attention or for your own.

Who is she keeping sick? Me. So they locked me in mental facilities from the time I was eight until I was 15. Hold on. Yeah. Backtrack. Back. Your mom.

Yeah. Said my adopted daughter needs to be in a psych ward. Yeah. Why? I don't know. She, ever since I was a kid and I didn't, you know how your parents tell you things when you're a kid and you just, they're just words you hear. But as I got older, I'm like, that's crazy. But she would always tell me like,

ever since you were three months old, me and my friend, you would stare at me with such hatred and me and my friends would pray over your crib. Like she always had this complex that I hated her, that I was sick, that there was something wrong with me. I found my mom passed away in 2010. And I loved her very much. She had a good heart. I don't think she did anything maliciously. Is this why you don't want to be yourself? What?

No. No, like not in a bad way. Like I'm talking about like you putting on a costume. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I mean, maybe because I think there's – I super psychoanalyze myself all the time and I've hung out with enough psychologists to kind of have a degree, I feel like, you know.

And I feel like a lot of my innocence was stolen. You know, as a kid, I didn't really have a childhood. I don't remember a lot of it because they literally had me on anywhere from eight to ten medications at a time. Like lithium, Haldol, Ritalin, Prozac, just every medication. So you thought you were crazy. So yeah. So I grew up, you know, being, at one point they had me convinced that I couldn't dress

myself, feed myself, do anything for myself. And it was always like told to me, like, if you don't take your medication, you can't have your birthday party. Like it was always held over my head. Like if you don't take this, then you don't get to hang out with your friends or you don't get to go to a birthday party. They had like a lock on the outside of my bedroom door. So when I would get grounded or in trouble, they would lock me in the room, which caused me to be super claustrophobic. What the fuck? Yeah. But learning about my mother, she had a really rough life and her mother tried to kill

her and my uncle, I guess, tried to set a house on fire with them, all kinds of stuff. So they ended up getting passed around to a lot of family and in foster care, abused in that. My mom's punishment as a child would be to be locked in chicken coops from one family she was in. So it's like she had this, she had this insane life, you know? And then she thought that was normal. She thought,

yeah, that was her normal, you know, life. My dad, my dad's now 81, you know, he grew up in the old school and also they grew up in a time and a

generation where if things were fucked up, you didn't talk about it. You just kept it moving, you know, they just swept it under, suppress, suppress, suppress, suppress, suppress, you know? And, um, you know, he had a, had a rough life as well. And his dad was an alcoholic and beat him and stuff. So, you know, in this journey, you know, I think that when my mom got sick with cancer, when it got terminal in 2009, I guess, I just started the band. Did she ever apologize? At the end, kind of on her deathbed, she's like, I'm sorry. I was just doing the best I could. It's crazy because on her deathbed, her friends are there that I've known my whole life.

They're like, you grew up to be so incredible and we're so happy you got better. And like, you know, like I just had some- What the fuck? I'm like, let's recover here. That is some sick, morbid shit right there, dog. But my mom was a nurse. So they would take me to all these doctors

and the doctors would be like, there's nothing wrong with her. I think, you know, you guys need to work out your marital issues or whatever issues y'all have. You're projecting onto this kid. But my mom was a nurse and everyone at her job loved her. She was such a, always would go above and beyond for her patients, was always super charismatic. And so she would get all these doctors to sign off on paperwork where other doctors that she was taking me to were like, there's nothing wrong with her.

And these doctors at her work would be like, she come to work, my's so awful she's manipulating you know and so it's crazy like she would start fights with me and then record our fights after she had already start gotten it to the like a crazy point and then bring it to the psychologist and be like see she's fucking crazy you have trust issues um trust issues what's terrible is i so trusting. I'm such a trusting person. But like really? Because you talk about it not having you talk about having like three or four different bands and stuff.

Yeah, I have my main band is Beavs and Her Moneymakers and then since I moved out here I made a couple, a few other projects with some other friends that also tour in bands full time. We gotta backtrack a little bit you just threw so much information that's what i said like that's fine okay that's fine that's fine maybe it'll be a two-hour podcast but your dad what does he say about all this he

he can't um he can't he can't talk about it you know it's like it's impossible for him to have a conversation about it. And in his mind, he loved my mom so much. And my dad, he's one of the funniest guys I know. And that's where I get a lot of my humor from. So I appreciate him for that. But he is basically incapable of having a serious conversation at all. So as an adult, you know, as I'm trying to work through all these things that I need

to like let go of, I would try to talk to him within the last few years. And he's like, no, he can't. He can't like even discuss it. Who told you that you weren't crazy? Um. And you believed him. I don't know if there was anyone that told me I wasn't crazy. So you always believed you weren't

crazy yeah i always knew there's nothing so why did you go to a psych ward because you're eight years old they threw me in a van and took me there and dropped me there for two months you know like when i'm eight years old so you know fuck all that yeah it was crazy because there was actual crazy people in these places. And I was always the youngest kid everywhere I was. What's the craziest thing that happened to you that you remember? I got beat up by a staff member one time. I was in this one facility.

I think I was like 13. And I also, no one explained. They keep taking you back to the psych ward? Yeah. So every few months I would get pulled out of school, put into a psych ward, do school there, be there for two or three months, and then get out, go back to school, try to explain to everyone where I was. And then, again, I think the people that made me not feel crazy were the people that worked at the places most of the time because they knew that there was, I was like this really sweet, nice, quiet, creative kid. And I think they knew that I wasn't insane. So they made me, they became a sense of family because I would frequent these places so much sometimes that I think at one point my parents were just constantly fucking with me and I was like, fine, I'm fucking crazy. Take me to the place where the people respect me. So maybe that

became your sanctuary. Yeah. That became in a weird way. That became my sanctuary where I would see these people and they're like, Hey, you know, good to see you. How's it going at home? We're sorry. We know it's crazy, you know, like whatever, whatever. And I would help them run classes and help them like decorate the paint, the place or whatever, you know, like these places became like, so there was one place where the staff member, um, he was just always on some head trip and he, I was like standing in front of a chair and he's like, sit down. And I sat down and he's like, no, like sit upright. And like, just directing me to like, and I'm, I'm like 12 or 13 years old and I'm just sitting there. And I'm at this point I've been fucked with for five years, you know? And I'm, maybe I was a little defiant. It wasn't anything like I'm not spitting in his face or

yelling at him. I'm a kid, you know? And I'm like, whatever. And he grabbed my arms and put them behind the chair and like almost broke my arms, like, trying to just assert his dominance over me or whatever. And also in around that same time, no one explained periods to me. Like, no one told me, like, that that happened. So I ended up getting my period in the place. And this place was, like, half the house was girls and half the house was boys. So there's all these crazy girls. Like, one thinks she's a vampire. One is they're all just insane i'm the youngest one there and

i get my period and i'm telling them like oh my god i think i'm dying because no one's it's like some carrie shit like no one's explaining it to me and they're like yeah they're fucking with me yeah you're dying blah blah blah and i remember oh that must be so terrifying it was awful and i remember like a staff member coming in and then finally explaining it to me and they called my mom and they got my mom on the phone and she's like congratulations I'm so proud of you and I'm like what the

fuck what I'm like I just thought I was dying now you're congratulating me I don't think this is something to be celebrated you know holy fuck Biebs yeah there's a lot of crazy things and yeah we were talking we talk about mental health all the time about this for someone that this is the the opposite where there people think you're crazy when you're not and like when you don't feel crazy but people are

throwing this is like i mean maybe clockwork orange shit, dog. Yeah, but you know what? Were you depressed during? I mean, I became very depressed from the drugs. The drugs made me, I was like a fat kid in high school because of the drugs. So I weighed like 200 pounds in high school. I got made fun of all the time. Like, you know, it was rough. I ended up dropping

out of school. I somehow, I don't know, when I was 16, because I'd missed so much school, they were telling me I was going to have to stay in high school for an extra year and a half. But I was always in all the gifted programs. I was a really smart kid. And so This all in Florida? Yeah, it's all in Florida. And so my principal, who everyone was terrified of, for some reason we were tight, you know, we had this this she was like this staunch you know no nonsense

lady but i think she kind of knew that my home life was fucked up and so i signed myself out of high school when i was 16 years old and i went and got my ged and then you started was music and outlet for you yet um i had been writing since i was eight i was also raised like a bible beater like i was in in church every, so I went to Catholic school all week, went to mass on Fridays, but was raised Methodist. So I couldn't really participate

in all the Catholic stuff at school. I couldn't get communion and stuff. I was kind of outcast. And then I went to Methodist church on Sundays when they have very different points of view, mainly like I think one, one believed animals didn't have souls and didn't go

to heaven and one did and that was a big deal breaker for me when i was a kid you know and uh so growing up in religion and all this brainwashing and all this stuff you know um i think and being adopted i think for me being adopted gave me a different perspective of what family is so as I grew up my fam my family was my friends like the people I'm closest to like that's my sister that's my brother this is my family you know and um and just I think all my friends just embracing me I mean what is crazy maybe I am crazy and in a in a in a conventional society any of us who live on the fringes of society whether it's playing music or art or being an entrepreneur you're you know

everyone else looks at you like you don't have a steady paycheck how are like you're crazy you know like so you know i guess crazy is relative to the reality you're living in, you know? But do you think you're crazy? I don't, I don't think I'm, I don't believe that I'm crazy. I believe, you know, I do from being on medications and I will, you know, I will admit to this from being on medications from a young age, I feel like I didn't get to develop coping mechanisms very well because I'm just on all these chemicals and drugs, not processing information. And that's kind of my whole thing with mental health medication and the industry itself is

when you go on like regular medication for a medical problem that you have inside your body, you're on it for two weeks or a month or until it's cleared up. With mental medication, they're like, you're fucked up and you take this forever. It's a trillion dollar industry. You know, they don't tell you, oh, you only have to take prozac for six months they tell you you know

like this is you this is you now you know you're a bipolar you're this you're that and it's fucked up so in my research and and healing through mental health and and really trying to digest it all i believe for me personally as a young kid being on all those drugs, not being able to process a lot of information or emotions as an adult, I still to this day have to work on going from my emotions, going from zero to 10 instead of zero to 60. And that's neuropathways that are created from when you're young. It's possible to repair them. I've been learning that through CBD. CBD helps create new neural pathways. And I also end up developing fibromyalgia.

That's a whole other story that I suffered from for the last six years. And took some time off the road because I couldn't walk. I was in bedridden for a while. And through this whole journey, I think I really, it gave me a lot of perspective. And with bipolar I'm not and I'm not saying because there are people

where medication does help them you know what I mean so I'm not saying that all medication is bad for me personally I feel like everyone gets diagnosed with something

as a kid I was diagnosed with ADHD you know but ADHD is a superpower that's why I'm able to do all the things I'm sure people look at you and like how does he have a podcast and tour and do

this and be all these places cause I got ADHD and I'm able I don't have tunnel vision you know like I'm able to do all these things cause that's how my brain works ADHD is a super power so why do you think why do we drug up our kids to make them feel like ADHD

is something bad? In all truthfulness, I mean, from a deeper perspective, I guess, it's that we live in an institutionalized world. You know, like you're taught to go to school, get good grades, so you can get into a good college, so you can go into one of these pre-made jobs, and then you can do that forever. Keep you asleep. that forever and i think

yeah and i think that's why people have midlife crisis because they go down that road and then one day they wake up at like 45 or 50 and they're like fuck what did i just do with the last 30 years of my life it wasn't even what i wanted really wanted to be doing and so it's just a whole institutionalized system i think for creative, especially now where schools are even more institutionalized. More of it is about testing so the school can get money more than it is about giving you an education. It's not like they're teaching real history or anything. And everyone learns in a different way. But there's different groups of people that learn in different ways. So basically, when you go to a school, they're sitting you down and saying, learn this way. And if you don't fit into that box, they're sitting you down and saying, learn this way.

And if you don't fit into that box, they're like, okay, well, you're either need to be in the gifted program or you need to be in a special program or you, or we just can't fuck with you and we don't know what to do with you. And they put you in a mental institution. They put you on ADHD drugs, you know? Dude, this is insane, dog. Yeah, dude. So did you feel like you found a family in the Warped Tour crew? Yeah, I mean, okay, so we'll digress back to Oh, before we get off the topic of mental health, I do want to say this to people who have been told that they're bipolar, or they're this or

they're that, you know, some people do have extreme situations, like I said, where medication does help. But what I've learned in my research is everyone's bipolar. You know, everyone has different polar sides to them and moods and whatever. But coping, not everyone is born with the same coping mechanisms. You know, like some people handle stress really well and others don't. Some people thrive in stress and others don't. And so teaching your brain to, okay, I don't handle these kind of situations well. I need to figure out a better way, which for me was going to a float tank and using that as therapy and, you know, different weed, obviously. Is intimacy hard for you? That's a story for another day. My ex-boyfriend tried to get me to join Scientology after living with him for two years.

You're going to be doing this a lot. Give me the bridge version of that too. I lived with the guy for two years. I met him on Warped Tour. He was running security for some band I met on Warped Tour. How many years were you doing Warped Tour for? Like five maybe. Wow.

Working it or playing? Playing. Touring? Yeah, touring. Did the whole thing? I did the whole thing two years in a row and then I did sections of it. So fucking hard. That Warped Tour is hard. It's hot as fuck.

That's why Warped Tour is like a family because if you meet someone else that did Warped Tour, you're like it's like you went to, you're like we were in NOM together. You know, like it's fucking intense, you know? It is though. You're like, okay, you're my people. You want to talk about crazy people?

If you've done Warped Tour, you're crazy and you're a badass. You know what I mean? You're playing in Phoenix when it's 120 degrees in the summertime. You're playing in a parking lot in Barstow. That's also why I think Kevin Lyman is one of the greatest art installation producers of all time. Why? Because he got fans and bands to agree to be in parking lots in the dead heat of summer all day in the name of art. Everyone agreed to it.

That moved around. Is that one of your biggest inspirations? As a music business person Yes Because And I Kevin Lyman is the guy Who created Warped Tour He created Warped Tour

Yeah And helped create Lollapalooza before that He was a production guy Did production for Jane's Addiction And a bunch of Chili Peppers

He started it when Lollap was touring Right And then he just When they wanted to Stay stationary He made Warped Tour Yep

His new touring thing and he tells me a story and I think about this all the time and he reminds me of things he says when he the first year or two of Warped Tour was a flop it didn't pull numbers he had his first daughter on the way

and $75 left in his pocket and through his punk rock community and friends and the skate world he got an interview with or a meeting with Vans to come out as a sponsor. I think he got it through Thrasher or something. The skateboard magazine.

And he went into the meeting and he said at the end of the meeting they gave him a $150,000 check and we're like okay we're on. And as he's walking out the door they're like by the way we also want six European dates and he was just like okay he's like I've never been to fucking Europe

you just said yes I just said yeah I just knew I had to make it happen because this was my dream and he went to all his punk rock friends GBH and all the punk rock dudes that have been touring in Europe and got all the promoters names and numbers over there took a flight over there took a train and got all the promoters' names and numbers over there, took a flight over there, took a train,

tracked down all these promoters and made it happen. Which to me, I feel like people now are super lazy. I don't know many people that would go that length to make their dreams come true. And there's times I don't really fit into any scene, not necessarily the work tour scene or any. I just kind of float amongst all of them. And there's times when that's frustrating because people are like, you're unfocused or we want you to just be in the scene or it is people

pulling me in every direction. And I get, yeah, I get frustrated. And Kevin reminds me, look, we are kind of people are here to make new systems and new situations and there's no roadmap.

And so we're always going to effortlessly watch people around us make money and because they're just functioning on old models but we're here to create new shit shit that no one's made yet and so it's always going to be harder but that's just our role and doesn't make it easier knowing that but just remember that so that you don't get discouraged and i'm like so with that fuck that's fucking i gotta meet kevin that's uh that's fucking amazing so do you take that philosophy into your music your songwriting um yeah i take that philosophy through my life i mean pretty much my whole life is a social experiment you know the band was a social experiment i was like what happens when we

just all get to be superheroes and we're not like looking to superheroes to save us we are our own superheroes and we're saving ourselves, you know? That's existentialism, right? Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And so what I found was a whole community of people and fans and that felt the same way. And like, yeah, we want to be, we are superheroes, you know? And we're, you know, that was my whole thing.

It doesn't, adversity is great because it makes you who you are. If you don't know how strong you are this world is crazy we live in a crazy time with technology and constant communication and shit that like

you know people are all like oh yoga and meditation but I guarantee you if you took some yogi that meditated on the top of the Himalayans

all day and put them in the western world and was like you have to function the same way you do now in this western world they lose their shit you know what I mean?

Like, yeah, sure, I can be zen if I'm sitting on top of a fucking mountain all day. You know what I mean? And I don't have any bills to worry about or people hitting me up through email and Instagram and Facebook and, you know, like, you know what I mean? So how do you keep that philosophy through this fucking no

law, no, you know, there's no path for us. So how do you have that philosophy in this completely randomness life we're building? Because I truly know that I am a superhero, you know what I mean? I know that I'm mentally so strong that anything that I

think up and put my mind to or anything I'm passionate about, and this goes for everyone, like anything that you are unequivocally passionate about, whether it's cooking or cleaning or music or whatever you're going to be fucking great at you know what I mean like you just got to put the willpower in

you know everyone's like oh I wish I could live the cool life you live I'm like dude it comes with sacrifice y'all think that a bus is awesome alright take five of your closest friends and live in a studio apartment with them for fucking two months straight, farting on top of each other. And then tell me that that's super glamorous. You know what I mean? Like it's a lifestyle. Okay. You got to accept all the bad and the good.

With the good. And you have to learn how to live in each other's worlds. And I think the biggest thing is you have to learn how to be adaptable. And when you're a person who's able to be adaptable and just be in your own vibe and your own bubble, and no matter what situation you're in, you're going to thrive in the world. Like I don't go around. I keep that philosophy in my day to day life. I don't get into religion or politics or anything publicly. Obviously I have my own point of views. And most of it is that I just stay out of that shit because my job here as an artist and just as a person living on this planet trying to be happy

um is to understand perspectives i'm not here to challenge your perspective i'm here what we do the music is the universal language right so when we play a show there's people from all different walks of life religions political views we don't. Like there could be a Republican and Democrat sitting right next to each other that have opposite points of views that would normally hate each other. But our music is the common ground. That's what brought them together. So it's not my job personally. I don't feel as musicians that are very political and I have friends like that too. And they play a role in their own universes. But for me, I feel like it's our job to create the common ground. That is the unity. I want to see unity.

I want to see people getting along. As fucked up as a childhood as I had, what was so great about my childhood was that my parents had a lot of extended family. So when I was adopted here, my aunt was my mom's best friend. She's Korean, straight from Korea, came here after the Korean War.

My godfather was a gay dude. My godmother was black. My other aunt was black. The lady that took care of me, my grandma was Mexican. We had foreign exchange students from Japan and China that lived in our house on and off till I was a teenager. So I was constantly surrounded by all this culture and everyone got along. So I never saw the dark side of any of that. I was just like, oh, everyone gets along. Everyone's totally different. They have totally different points of views, but everyone just gets along. Well, maybe that's why you picked music.

I think so. Because me personally, you don't have to like everyone in the world. That's fine. Everyone doesn't have to get along. That's totally fine. But everyone should respect one another. And you believe that? Cool.

I respect you. Now, if you're going to say some racist shit in shit in front of me i'm definitely gonna speak up and let you know that like nah that ain't cool but i also grew up in the south and understand that a lot of people who are racist or display prejudice it's so brainwashed that they don't sometimes even realize that they're doing it they were just born and bred to believe that they're superior to other people in some way based on the color of their skin or whatever. I just try to move throughout my life just being polite and kind to everyone. I try not to watch too much news or listen to too much bad news because my jaw, if I'm listening, I'm super empathic. So I feel like when Aleppo happened, I cried in my bed for three days. And I'm like, woke up the third day like, that was dumb.

You didn't get anything done after three days. What are you doing? And I was like, I can't pay attention to all the bad things in the world. It's not that I ignore them or that I'm not aware that they're there. But if I'm focused on that, I'm not staying in my vibration and being kind to people every day. I want to wake up and be pumped to the 7-Eleven guy and be like, how's your day going, bro? Are you having a good day?

Alright. Just be a little light everywhere you go instead of feeling so beat down and defeated. It's perspective. I think happiness is perspective and I think it's important for people to remember that you don't have to be happy all the time. That's why they got people on all these drugs and Xanax and whatever. It's like, dude, it's not have to be happy all the time. That's why they got people on all these drugs and Xanax and whatever. It's like, dude, it's

not normal to be happy all the time. It's okay to feel. And I think as an artist, that's also my job is to show people that it's okay to cry and it's okay to be sad. I make sure to, when I'm feeling bad, I post that shit on my Instagram because if I'm going to have to interact with this weird virtual world we live in, I don't want you to think my life is perfect. I don't want you to think that everyone just has something that you can't attain. Like it's just not normal to be constantly happy, you know, but through perspective, you can go through shitty situations with a better perspective and not let it consume you and just move through it, you know?

Speaking of perspective, we'll leave through it. You know, speaking of perspective, we'll, we'll leave with this first off before what's your Instagram for? You can follow me at Biebs money. It's like boobs, but with ease. Okay. Yeah.

Perspective perspective from this type of perspective, from psych ward to superhero. How did you find a boy from psych ward to superhero? All right, you're the director for my biopic. Okay, I'm on it. I'm on it. I'll produce it.

I want to talk, before we get, we have future birds on the show. They're the next interview. Future birds. They're going to be dope. But last thing, from having this perspective

and being so woke, how did you date someone from Scientology? What the fuck is that all about? That's a great question. He was a very hot black man. I got a weakness for the chocolate. I'll tell you what.

It's hard. No, I don't know. I didn't... I'm so... That's why I'm saying I'm nice to a fault and trusting to a fault is that if someone else has a different like religious belief than me or political view.

What is Scientology? I still don't 100% know. But the Leah and Rimney stuff came out right after this happened. Was this guy like wealthy or like? No. No, he was not wealthy. He's a fame hungry guy. He's obsessed with being a celebrity, which is weird.

I always thought it was weird. I'm like, I don't think it works like that. He's like, I study celebrities. I want to be one. I'm like, I don't think it works like that. He's like, I study celebrities. I want to be one. I'm like, I don't think it works like that. But I'm so respectful to who each person is as an individual that I if they say some shit that I just don't

vibe with, I'm like, okay, sounds cool. You do that. Get back to this. Get back to it. Get back to it. Scientology. Why? Why did you fall in love? I didn't know. I didn't know in the beginning. I didn't know. I didn't know anything about his Scientology stuff. Looking back, you know, I just am so busy all the time and stay in my own bubble and my own world that when people say weird stuff to me, I'm like, oh, cool.

And then I just keep moving. So there was a few times where I was like depressed or I'd be bummed out and I'd be like, I'm super depressed. And he'd be like, well, you don't have to join, but you should do this purification process. I did it. It's through Scientology. It really helped me. And I'd be like, yeah, no, I'm good. I would move about my day. What is the purification process? I don't 100%

know. I think you like go there and you tell them all your shit, like all your deep, dark secrets and whatever you're going through and they record it and then they just blackmail you. Oh my god. Fuck all that what do we learn today that superheroes get depressed too superheroes get depressed too and when you're you're if you feel like you have a syndrome of depression or when people think you're crazy

everyone else thinks you're crazy we get we don't we're not crazy we're not crazy. We're not crazy. If we don't believe we're crazy, we're not crazy? We're not crazy. We're not crazy. You're just eccentric. Beavs, thanks for being on the show. Thanks for having me, Andy Frasco. We're going to do this again. We're going to do a more in-depth thing. I'm so glad to get to know you. Mickey always talks very highly.

That's one of our show ambassadors. Shout out Mickey. Shout out Jeremy Strebel at Jammin' on Tida. He's the one that first Introduced me to your music Yeah That's cool So we have the same family Whatever you need from me Guys

Go listen to Biebs music Go see her She's in all the scenes Like me Yeah You're great Thanks for being on the show Love you dude

Thanks We'll catch you on the tail end We got Future Birds up next And we'll talk later Thanks Biebs Boop, boop. All right. Next up on the interview hour, we get Athens, Georgia's own future birds.

These guys are dope, dude. We played with them at the Marcus King family reunion. Super good guys. I think they live in Nashville now. Yo, Chris, play some Future Birds. Great songwriters. They all, they're on a fucking, they're on a wave. They just went on tour with Camp.

That band's kick ass. They're just good guys. And we talked a lot about living on the road and how hard it is and how hard it is to fucking write records that are timeless and how there's so much pressure in just trying to make the best music possible. So ladies and gentlemen,

I hope you enjoy the Future Birds and I will catch you on the tail end so we can talk more about all things considered. All right, guys. Melons were pink, but it sure don't mean that the visions were real. Oh, I'm dead. Well, here we are with the Future Birds. Here we are. What the fuck? Finally. Here we are. Nice to see you guys. How are with the Future Birds. Here we are. What the fuck?

Finally. Here we are. Nice to see you guys. How are we doing? Fantastic. Is that a Back to the Future Birds shirt? That is sick as fuck. Is that your merch?

No, no, no. Some guy has made this for us. Yeah, for a show. It should be our merch. People like that shirt more than our actual shirts. Freight yard, actually. The freight yard. Yeah.

What did I say? You said shipyard. Freight yard. Freight yard, actually. The freight yard. Yeah. What did I say? You said shipyard. Freight yard. It's the freight yard, Thomas. Yeah. Well, here you are. You got fans making you music. This is a good, I mean, making you t-shirts.

I mean, you guys are fucking in, dude. If they made us music, we'd be set. Do they try to cover? Do they try to cover? What's up, dude? What's your name? I'm Daniel. We got the whole fucking band In the building dude

This is tight We're just dropping out of the rafters Oh man So let's talk about this So boys You guys are from Nashville Or where are you guys from I barely know

The story Yeah we're from Athens So you guys are just Your friends are just moving to Nashville So you got some homies here Okay cool So check it out Athens, Georgia

Widespread panic Dave School is one of got some homies here. Okay, cool. So check it out. Athens, Georgia. Widespread panic. Dave School is one of my closest homies. He produced our last record. Tell me about the scene. What's Athens like? Dude, Athens is amazing. I mean, Thomas still lives there. We've kind of spread out in the last few years, but Athens is the fucking center of the universe, man. It's the greatest place to start a band because it's a small enough scene to where it cares for itself. And you get great bands coming through. Our first show we ever played, we were opening up for Blitzen Trapper coming through.

So we had to play like a packed house. How long have y'all been playing together? Ten years. Cool. So you guys have been road hungry for ten years? Yes. You've been doing that doing I've been seeing your name everywhere yeah

how hard is it how hard is living on the road it gets easier every day yeah tell me what by mind state

or by just you guys making money yeah everything like one we're getting better at it you know you know how to like

not run yourself into the ground and like into that like dark abyss or whatever but uh yeah making a little bit more money uh well maybe some of us well another thing we've been doing too over the last couple years is uh trying to mix in um extracurricular activities into our tour so whether that means like stopping off and going swimming at a place or jumping off a rock

or going fishing with somebody or just realizing, it took us a while, but we realized that we're out here in all these awesome places and being on the road and just doing the same thing at day in and day out

and spending all your time in bars can be really draining and can feed all these bad thoughts and this bad energy. We've been trying to spend more time doing other things that we love as well and trying to make the most out of being out there so it's not just...

Sometimes, if you're not careful, the show is always awesome, but the time in between can be really hard sometimes. You know what it is? We live for those two hours of fucking adrenaline or if that. So how do we make our day-to-day, like you said, how important is having another life outside of the van from MapQuest to venue?

That routine of 14 years. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. That fucking MapQuest printer, dude. Oh, dude, I know all about it, dude. I keep on thinking like, God, like what? I keep forgetting like, oh, shit, we used to do it like that. David Barber, a buddy of ours, David Barber said they used to tour back in the day.

They'd have to call a taxi when they pulled into town and they'd be like, yeah, just take us here. We'll just follow the taxi in because they didn't have Google Maps or whatever. You know, it's like, we've got to, that part's a lot easier these days, I guess. How do you fucking know your shows are getting promoted? That's what I'm like, that's what I feel like.

That's like, I'm just like in the blind. I'm on the road, motherfuckers. You know, just like, it's all good. So like, when that charm starts fading away, how do we enjoy ourselves? Yeah. I think that's the question. I told you I listened to an episode of the podcast

and you brought up a bunch of that, like kind of getting away from the partying and stuff. And I was like, I wonder if you started the podcast just as like something to fill that time. Exactly, dude. I stopped doing coke. I was like fucking i was just fucking and doing coke every day with just one night stands on that bad i mean it's fine but

like it's you know it's like then you're worried if people are pregnant and like every night it's it's a it's a it's a it's a lot of anxiety so i had to cut all that out and especially when you have a coke hangover you know you don't remember if if your condom broke or whatever you know it's like you just don't know so i'm getting anxiety right now yeah i know we're all getting i don't let's go back to you guys enough about me and my fucking sick problems um but like yeah it's it's the void so like what kind of void do you guys write songs on the road like what how do you try to make feel tour normal normal? How do you make tour feel normal? Family fun centers, jumping rocks, rope swings, kayaks, that type of thing.

Yeah, I think disc golf. Yeah, we've taken up disc golf the past couple years pretty heavily. And Jeff, our new drummer here, is an avid disc golfer and semi-pro, probably actually very pro now that I'm thinking about it. Hold on, there's professional disc golfing?

There's actually some of the best disc golfers out there at the festival here. I was a little starstruck at first. He's kind of freaking out a little bit. Let's go meet him for you, dude. I'm down. Let's get him. Let's go find him. Let's get you sponsored, buddy.

Dude. James Conrad. James Conrad, if you're listening to this, you've got huge fucking fans here At the Marcus King reunion So we got this we're good I'm gonna be like Oprah in this bitch today I'm gonna get you that fucking

That meet and greet dude But let's get back to it So how important are songs to you guys If you're torn so much When you're torn so much and always thinking about someone else Are you writing songs for someone else or are you still writing songs for yourself? Oh, shit.

I mean, I guess you're always kind of writing songs for yourself, right? Even if you're writing for someone else. But I feel like we don't actually write songs on tour. But I feel like, at least me personally, it's you kind of, all the shit's happening on tour and you kind of file it away and then I feel like you get home. A different part of your brain is accessed on tour or something maybe. Yeah, and then you kind of get home and like rifle through it all in your head

and sort of organize it and then like the details or whatever start coming out. How many days is it? Oh, what's up? I was just going to say, I think people have this misconception or this thought in their mind, people who don't tour, of guys sitting around in a hotel room, strumming guitar, writing the hit song. But really for us, we tour with at least five people,

usually more than that. And everyone's sharing a room and shit. Yeah, so you're either in the van, and you're not going to sit around and strum and write a song in the van. I mean, I guess you could. Some bands might, but we don't. And then, yeah, by the time you get either in the van, and you're not going to sit around and strum and write a song in the van. I mean, I guess you could. Some bands might, but we don't. And then, yeah, by the time you get back to the hotel room, it's late.

You're tired. That's not the first thing on your mind. After a while, that's another thing. It's a part of just trying to maintain homeostasis is just getting your sleep. Sometimes you realize that's the most important thing, where you might be trying to do all these other things. It'd be great to have time to do this. It'd be great to finish this song or do that.

But really, you're like, I just need to sleep. That's the thing that's going to keep me going. So really, I feel like being on tour is not the best place for me to write a song, at least. At least it hasn't been in the past. Isn't that a catch-22? Because we have to be on the road all the time to survive. Yeah, it is. You have to find time.

I mean, I write a lot of lyrics on the road, for sure. I take a lot of notes, a lot of voice memos, or have like a little melody that comes to mind, and I'll put it down on my phone or something like that. But like Carter says, it's kind of like you kind of follow it away for a later time. Then when you get off the road, even if it's just for a week or something, you kind of have to away for a later time than when you get off the road, even if it's just for a week or something. You kind of have to rifle through all the stuff and try to pick the nice gyms in there and see what you can make out of it.

I feel like it's dangerous to get too introspective on the road. You know what I mean? Why? Explain that. Because you're exhausted all the time. Like you said, we're all living on top of each other. It's kind of like you have to have this thick skin or thick shell just to like – exactly, yeah. It's easy to get fucking in the pits.

So it's like you kind of like hold that stuff. Any advice on how to get out of the pits when you're in the pits? Man, just – Yeah. Just communicate. Communicate. Communication is huge. Maybe even exercise or maybe even eat healthy

maybe throw a little piece of broccoli in there every now and then yeah yeah and just knowing that like all that shit is cyclical you know so it's like yeah I feel like trash right now or I'm down about whatever

and it's probably not that big a deal even though it seems like a big deal right now. You have six hours to think about it in a fucking car. Exactly, yeah. Like ruminating, it just snowballs. Yeah, we try to listen to like fucking Osho podcasts

that make you change your mind but you're fucking... Yeah, dude, I know. That's the thing. I think this is the trigger that gets everyone, a lot of these musicians who are like, God forbid, committing suicide and shit.

It's awful. Because they're overthinking in their vans and they're just talking themselves into a fucking hole. They're just digging a hole that they can't get out of. And it's just basically being a prisoner to your own mind, right? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So have you guys ever punch each other out?

What's the craziest fight y'all ever got into? No. Anyone sleep with anyone's wives? Nothing? Not yet. No dirt, huh? Damn it. None of us are married yet, so wait until there's some rings on some fingers. We got time. You guys got another 45 fucking years.

Don't worry. That's going to be like in the memoir. It's a long play. It's a long play. I think for us too, you know, we're all, you know, we've been doing it

for a long time together. So part of it is that we just kind of, we've said this before that it kind of, it's a lot like family. And I think when we, we know each other so well now

that when we start to get on each other's nerves or start to like hit that, you know, someone's not having a good day, you can tell pretty quickly whether it's something going on in their mind or whatever. And just,

just kind of know how to stay away from, or try to not push those buttons when it's a, yeah, give them space or, or what have you. And also just like, it's kind of just unspoken. It's like,

Hey, you know, like if you want to say something or talk about something, we're, we're there for it, but also trying to not overreact about shit that might happen, whether it be a disagreement or you piss somebody off.

Eventually, for me, I feel like those kind of things always end up resolving themselves on stage. I could be really mad and then all of a sudden we'll start playing and I'll just be having a good time playing with the boys again. It's like, you know what? I'm not even that fucking mad about playing with the boys again. Isn't it crazy?

It's like, you know what? I'm not even that fucking mad about that. That was stupid. That was dumb. Let's just have fun. Almost 100% of the time if I act out of emotion, almost 100% of the time I regret it. Very soon I'll be like, God damn it.

Going back to your thing, are we fucking verbally vomiting over because we're tired? Or maybe we're lonely? There's factors that you're not thinking about at the moment, for sure. Weed and naps. Weed and naps. Fuck. Does this happen to you guys?

Ever since I get older now, weed's been giving me more anxiety for the higher potion. Strong shit now. No, it's no joke. D oh dad weed oh like that three percent thc dude that that's what i'm fucking talking about that's that's that's great so tell me i want to talk to me more about so what's the how hard is your scene, and what are your biggest fears of being a professional musician? Biggest fears? Yeah, like when you're in the industry or not knowing if a song's going to hit. What is your biggest anxiety? I think for me it's that I feel so strongly I believe in what we're doing so strongly

and every once in a while especially like we're talking about when you've been on the road for a while or you know you start to get down and like you're kind of going on that rabbit hole you start to think about like what if I'm wrong like what if I'm just so caught up in this that it's not as good as I think it is or it's not or what I'm believing in is, is, is nothing, or, or I've, I've, you know, I guess like that, I guess failure ultimately, it's like that, that this will fail. And, and I think I, what gets, brings me out of that a lot of times, just like, and we've said this before too, amongst ourselves is that even if that does happen, I won't feel like I wasted my time. I still believe in it. Even if it doesn't lead to huge success or tons of money or something like that,

I still will consider it time well spent. And I still believe in it, regardless of if everybody else ends up believing in it too or not. But that is like, ultimately, it's like, what if I've spent all this time and I have nothing to show for it at the end? And like trying to reconcile that thought,

which is not always, you're not always able to do it in the moment. You know, sometimes you just kind of have to show for it at the end. And like trying to reconcile that thought, which is not always, you're not always able to do it in the moment. You know, sometimes you just kind of have to live with it for a second and bury it deep on down and never see it for a while. Yeah. I think at the end of the day, the thing that always lifts me up too is like, all right, well,

how else would I be spending my time right now? You know, like I have all the money in the world, but I'd probably be a miserable piece of shit, like, whatever else I was doing. Because, like, what we do at the end of the day, it's fun as fuck. Totally. It's great, you know?

Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, going back to what you said earlier about two hours we get released, it's like we get paid to really just to travel and to put up with each other. It's like that time on stage is. We don't get paid for that. That's the reward. We get paid for all the other bullshit.

That is it. That's it. That's fucking it. The 9 to 5 is us fucking waking up, fucking hungover, driving 8 hours. And from that reward, some people

have their fucking bowling night or their fucking we have we get to be on stage and entertain and get to show us vulnerable you know i mean like so tell me more about like you guys started 10 years ago were you what was your like was it about the songs or was it about being on the road? Why Future Birds? And yeah, I mean, it was about making music in the first spot. You know, we were all in Athens. Half of us were in school there.

A few of us met working at David Barbee's studio, where he was talking about earlier. And yeah, it was about, we had like seven bands at the same time. It was all kind of the same folks. It was about, it was about playing music and writing and recording songs. That's killer.

And then. Playing in the bars. Yeah. Playing in the bars was definitely a goal. What was the bar that was like, what was the first? 40 Watt and Tasty World.

Tasty World was probably the first kind of home zone that we had, which doesn't exist anymore, unfortunately. But it was definitely our first kind of home venue in Athens, for sure. Tasty World. Yeah, and then it was like, people are kind of into this. We can keep doing it a little longer.

We don't have to move out of here and get actual jobs or anything. And it's cheap to live, so it's perfect. Dude, Athens is so cheap to live. It's the best. So do you think, say a new guy's coming to the scene and they want to just go full on, do you think they should live in a college town?

Yeah, I think, yeah, because there's a lot of kids, I mean, college, naturally-brewed, creative, young people that have a lot of time, so I think it's a lot of kids I mean, college naturally breed creative young people That have a lot of time So I think it's a great place to meet like minds And like Athens, we were all playing in each other's bands And we had like a dozen bands

It seems like we were playing in and out of And it's easy to get gigs at bars So I would say a college town Depending on the college, you know But yeah, it would be a great spot I can only speak to Athens We can only speak to Athens But only speak for to athens but i think for us it was really good for us to um start small and to have athens is unique because

there are a lot of bigger bands that start in athens so but the community is very open and um it's nice to be able to kind of work the kinks out without so much like a big judgmental crowd like los angeles or new york city like he's big like intimidating forgiving crowd yeah you can you can get drunk and fuck up the set and be like hey man that's good energy i mean y'all should y'all should probably not drink the tone the guitar tone dude your gear sounded fucking great tonight but like you still get another show after that. They don't write you off forever. And I think being a big fish in a small sea,

eventually as we grew through Athens, was good for us. And also it made it easier. I mean, it's hard to distinguish yourself in a large city like that. There's so many bands trying to do it. Even Nashville, there's a billion new bands like every day trying to start out and do it and for us some of them are actually good too yeah it's true it's it's nice to be able to like have people who have done it before that you can actually talk to and you become friends with these people like we had bands like the wigs and dead confederate who at the time

were doing really well and they were they were touring a bunch and they had done it before and they were older than us and they allowed us to open shows for them and showed us the ropes and it was really good for us to learn that way so that by the time we were at that point where we were doing all that stuff and starting to do that stuff on our own, it wasn't, we didn't feel, it wasn't so intimidating and we had already had this really good experience in Athens and we knew that we could connect with people because we had had the opportunity to do so. Whereas like, I feel like in a big city, it's like, get a, okay, yeah, you had a one, one show on a Tuesday and you have to bring all the people and we're not going to promote it all. And you know, we'll, we'll see what happens.

And it's like, well, that's going to be hard. You're kind of up against it already. So it's, it's for us, at least that was really good for us to be able to grow in that way before we really took it international. It is halftime at the Andy Fresco interview hour. Welcome back to Review. I'm your host, Ari Finlay. Today I'm reviewing Black Friday.

And let me just say emphatically that Black Friday is stupid, okay? Stop waking up at 4 o'clock in the morning so that you can get a goddamn new electronic. Oh my god, I need a new iPad. My iPad is slow and I can't listen to my podcast that I want. How am I gonna cook all my chicken if I don't have a new pressure cooker? You don't need this shit. This is

Consumer America just selling you more shit that you don't need. We don't need new fucking earbuds. We don't need new fucking memory cards. Live your goddamn life. Stop waking up at 4 o'clock in the morning because Michael's got

a deal on paintbrushes. You should be spending all day Friday working off and sleeping the 14,000 calorie meal that you ate the day before. That's all you should be doing. Maybe you watch the Irishman. Maybe you go to a bar and watch some fucking college football, but you don't need to go to Old Navy for $1 socks, you cheap piece of shit. Happy Thanksgiving. I want to go back into the little fish in the big or big fish in a little pond. Let's reverse that. So like, are you guys on a label? Are you doing it yourself? Or a big fish in a little pond. Let's reverse that. So, like, are you guys on a label?

Are you doing it yourself? No. Okay, so this little fish in this big pond of songwriters, how do you not get swallowed up? What is your attack on how to approach social media, how to approach giving your fans a... Yeah, get it, brother. You get it. Fan engagement is what it's about. We're trying to build a community, and we were focusing on

the wrong thing for a long time, and we realized recently that we've got, we've been doing it for like 10 years. We've got a solid fan base, amazing fans. We've got the best fans in the world. They're very supportive, and they're everywhere, and we're like, we've been kind of, I wouldn't say neglecting them, but we haven't been giving them the proper amount of attention. So we're starting to, you know, harness this community that we've already got. And it's very rewarding in so many different ways. So what do you do? We just, we talk to them basically just on social media and we keep them informed. We keep them our day-to-day life off stage and we just kind of just keep them up to date on the road.

You know, I mean, we're touring all the time. And I mean, there's a lot of different ways to look at social media, but conceptually and from a business standpoint, it's just direct-to-consumer marketing, essentially. And so we can, it's like, you know, what if you gave the Beatles, hey, you can talk to your fans immediately, straight to their face. The world would not exist anymore. Yeah, but also... It would have imploded.

I mean, it's yes and no because do you think the 60s rock star could survive in this 2000 fucking 20 where everyone gets fucked? Let's say people were putting fishes in people's vaginas and shit, dude.

That shit would have been on the internet in 10 minutes. You know what I'm saying? I think it's apples and shit, dude. Like, it was just a, you know, that shit would have been on the internet in 10 minutes. You know what I'm saying? I think it's apples and oranges, honestly. I think it's just, it's hard to, it's like saying like, hey, would Ted Williams be good at baseball in 2010? It's like, who knows?

Everything was different. Right. Everything, the way people communicate, it's not just like, oh, we got this. Everything was different back then. It's not like you just put social media in there. One thing we've been doing too is kind of getting back to what Daniel said, is recognizing the fans that we already have

and continuing to build from that source of these fans that already really like us and have already showed their support for us in many ways and endearing ourselves to those people and not worrying as much about all the millions and millions of people who aren't fans yet, because they'll come to their senses eventually. Fuck yeah, boys. I love it. Come on.

But for now, absolutely, but for now, let's build and endear ourselves by way of the people who are already our family in that way. You know, they're already part of the group. You know, they're already, you know, talking to each other on Facebook or on Instagram or on like weird internet threads or something. You know, like they have text chains going about future birds.

You know, it's like let's endear ourselves to those people and let the rest come as it will. It's tough, man. people and let the rest come as it will. It's tough, man. And it's tough to stop judging everyone else and just try to figure out how to make yourself better.

We just released a song today, actually. It's called Trippin'. You can find it on your favorite streaming service. And it is about just that. It's about focusing more on your own happiness and less about judgments and things and how if everyone focused on what they truly love then uh naturally the world would be a better place just because there would be less bullshit

it's like find something that you love, focus on that, and then you've got a bunch of people going around doing what they love. You know, and the world's a better place, naturally. That's fucking exciting. So who's the main songwriter, or do you guys all write? Yeah, the three of us. Okay, can we talk about that? What are you writing about right now?

What's on your guys' mind? What do you writing about right now? What's on your guys' mind? What do you... I guess I've been focusing a lot on the challenges of trying to be a... of maintaining my touring life and my band life and while at the same time, trying to handle the pressures of being a more normal human at the age of 32 or 33 now, my Larry Bird year. Larry Bird year, baby.

Or Magic Johnson. I'm a more Larry guy. I know, I know. But talk about that. So what is normal to you? Well, it's not normal to me. It's like, you know, a lot of us have relationships with people who have, you know, whether it be a nine to five or a more traditional work, sleep, et cetera schedule.

You know, a lot of people work Mondays through Fridays. And, you know, we work almost every, you know, we have, you know, dating back to March, we have like three or four weekends where we didn't have anything going on. So it's trying to, not even that, not that that's something I'm striving to attain or to get to, but just figuring out that balance

where I can kind of make my partner not feel crazy. Oh, because you feel like you... I feel like it's a burden. You know, doing what we do can be a burden in that way. Do you think you're being selfish? I don't think I'm being selfish, but I think that I am... I wouldn't say...

I guess selfish isn't the right word for me. Does she feel like I'm being selfish? I think she would say that it's just hard. I think she would say that I believe in what you're doing and I think you're doing the right thing, but there's also and I think you're doing the right thing.

But there's also, you know, it's like, is that the right thing for both of us? Yeah, and that goes back to my question I said. You just told me what is normal for everyone else. Yeah. What is normal to you? I mean, normal to me is waking up whenever I want to, which is usually not late. I don't like sleep super late. which is usually not late. I don't like sleep super late,

but just like, you know, I, one of the reasons on top of, you know, being a musician and loving this is that I, I don't want to be bound by those social constraints of having a nine to five or having to get up at this hour or having to do this or having to do that. I want to be doing what I want.

Um, I had a friend once who said, he's like, man, I just want a job where I can work five days a week and do whatever I want on the weekends. And I was like, dude, I just want a job where I can work five days a week and do whatever I want on the weekends. And I was like, dude, that is fucking five-sevenths of your whole life. Like, that is not enough, man.

Like, you should do what you want all night. And it's not like I'm, you know, I don't ever want to drive 11 hours to Bozeman, you know, for instance. But, like, I want to be in Bozeman, and I don't have a plane, so I have to drive. You know, this is it. But at the same time, I think it's like the same thing with your girlfriend. Like, I want to be in love with a nine-to-fiver, but I'm in love with you.

So, like, it's like the same thing. And that's okay. I just think part of it is just hard. And I tell my girlfriend all the time, too. It's like sometimes it's just hard. Like, no one's life, even billion billionaires have bad days and shit like that you know it's never it's it's a series of ups and downs and ebbs and flows and you're just trying to stay stay on the track as much as you can so try not to let the worst days get to you that much

and you know embrace the best days because it's not always going to be like that and uh and just kind of just like kind of holding on and riding the ride but it's it's it's easier said than done but i guess it's not that i'm i feel selfish or that or anything like that it's just that it's hard sometimes and sometimes i'm like well i know this is what i i know this is what i want to do but is this like can you handle this like is this do you feel like how many relationships have you had? I mean many But this is a big long term I've been with this girl for 10 years

Do you think it's like The fate I can edit that down if you want I was like damn this is really turned in I haven't said her name yet No it's okay But that's the thing Do we feel like we're expecting

that the girls are just gonna leave us eventually i think there's a good question i think there's an aspect of and i don't i don't mean this in a mean way or a cruel way or in any and whatsoever but here's an aspect of it's like this is what i'm doing you've known that this is what i'm doing i never said that it was going to result in lots of money or lots of fame or anything like that. This has been what I'm doing. And this is what this is my life. There's nothing else I could do. And not that there's nothing else I could do, but there's nothing else that I would want to do. And at the same time, she would never want me to leave the band to do anything else because that would just lead to a lifetime of resentment. So I think in some ways, it's like, look, like you're either on board or not. And I can do things to make it easier on you. And I can,

you know, I can adjust some of the things that I'm doing in my life where that means, you know, being in more contact or, you know, not drinking as much or whatever it is, or, you know, not staying up till 6am with strangers in random towns random towns. Like those kind of things, right? I mean, you lost. I mean, I mean. That's a good time. This will literally be the last time. But I think at the same time, it's, you know, there is an aspect that it's just like, well, you know, you're either on board or you're not.

And that's what it comes down to at the bottom line, I guess. And, you know. I mean, that needs to be talked about. We keep on following the same path, dude. It's like we want what we don't have because we feel like what we have now isn't fulfilling for the people we also care about. Is that kind of it?

Absolutely. Yeah. So what about you? What do you write about? My dog. Tell me how you feel about your dog. No, I'm just kidding. No, there's, there's a, yeah, a good bit of that, but I feel like more recently kind of like you know

self self analysis and then kind of taking the parts of you that like they're like a lot of notes to self you know in the songs

they might sound like they're about other people but it's like what kind of self analysis have you been you know like yeah yeah I mean

yeah I guess I guess it goes I guess it goes further back but uh what is it what you're not done like uh does carter once wrote a song called you're not dead it was on our first full length and in the liner notes he wrote all the liner notes carter then next to that one just said note to self forgot about that yeah it's like uh so that's basically you're

writing you're writing this to yourself saying listen I need to start being more present the whole the whole idea behind that one is like you know

just because you walk doesn't mean you're not dead just because you talk doesn't mean something's been said it's like fucking be there be active be a person

like you know it goes back to all the shit we're talking about it's like you know we're out here like living this life

and trying to do something purposeful with it and something that means something to us. But you have to be active and you have to be intentional about that. Is it hard for you to stay present? I'm getting better at it. I think we all are. Like you were just saying,

we used to live a lot more in this zone of when we get this or when the band's this big or when, you know, it's like, then we'll whatever be. But now you're there. Well, I mean. Really? Why not? But where do you want to be as a band? No, we are there. You're right.

We are there. You know? We'll play with Jason Isbell and and fuck a Marcus King, dude. Exactly. We were talking about when we said those things. But it's like, now it's like,

we are there. So yeah, so what's the next dream? And if you spend your time being pissed off about where you're not, then like, you know,

you read all the, you read all the old rock dudes, you know, memoirs and stuff and they talk about like, oh man, the best time was when

they were like pouring scrapping and like having a fucking great time oh sorry sorry but no it's true and what and it's so funny because we see these these biographies and these fucking rockumentaries growing up and we're we live it And we forget That's the reason Why we fucking wanted it Yeah, exactly You know, like what the fuck And everyone in all those stories Gets the most unhappy

When they have everything That they want You know, when they have All the money And all the success And everyone's adoration And stuff, you know It's like

That's when shit Probably sucks even worse Yeah You have to enjoy it now Yeah, more money more problems Yeah Biggie was right dog We didn't listen to Biggie dude

God damn I'm serious Rest in peace So So you're Right now you're writing about Self-analyzation Figuring out a way

To be better with yourself Do you have a girlfriend Are you A lone wolf What's going on Yeah no I got a girlfriend In Nashville

That's great She's chill as shit And understands what we're doing. You writing songs about her yet? Not yet. No songs about her yet. Well, there's time, buddy. Note to self.

Note to self. What about you, bud? I don't know. What am I answering here again? What are you writing about? Oh, yeah. I mean, me, it's kind of just all the standard. I'm just trying to make a unique cliche, you know?

All right. Talk about this, big dog. Well, you know, I mean, it's the same thing that everyone writes about since the beginning of time. I mean, you know, love and loss and, you know. Why do you feel like we still have to write about that? Well, I mean, I just think those are just the most universal human emotions, you know? Something that everyone can relate to, and that's, you know, it's where I learn. Are you lost? Well, you know,

sometimes. You gotta be lost to be found. What are you lost about? Fuck yeah, dude. This guy's Mr. Motivational Speech Speaker, dude. No, but what are you lost? What's going on? What's going on in your head? Man, at the moment, well, like I said, we just released a single. We're in a great spot. It's funny, I think, getting back to like, you know, when we get rich or when bands get rich, it's like

when they're the most unhappy. We talked about this recently. It's, uh, if you look at it that way, then that would put us in the best time of our lives right now because we haven't made it, but we're doing it, you know, but we haven't made it yet. And, uh, um, and, but we know it's coming because we all feel it But we're doing it You know But we haven't made it yet And But we know it's coming Because we all feel it And we've all felt this

But now More than ever Are we Are we confident in that feeling You know So it's like We know it's We see the light at the end of the tunnel

It's like We know this time's for real You know But we're not there yet So it's like We're still struggling We're still hungry as fuck And

I think Sometimes You gotta you gotta yeah starving we'll get there's crab at the catering dude it's fucking good they got crabs guys we'll talk about that if you look at it that way we're in the talk about this other hungry we're in the like what are you hungry for money fame you know i guess validity you know but it's like what what's more validating than the 30 000 fans we've already got you know it's like, and that's why I kind of were concentrating on that. It's like, we don't need a big record label or some big wig dude to come in and sweep in when we finally like got some momentum and take everything we've worked for when we've got all these fans, like then we're

neglecting our fans at that, at that point. You know what I mean? It's like, I mean, you drop a band, it's like, Hey, we're going to start you out with 10,000 fans. Like, what are you going to do with it? You know? It's like know so I mean if we stop right now and we can continue like this is the beginning of the new thing then we've got a lot going for us

you know save that 20% dude I'm telling you because record labels are just a big bang within high interest rate

right well you know it's well they don't want bands especially like us to know this but yeah they're getting less and less

I think the word's out yeah less I think the word's out Yeah yeah I think the word's out Newsflash everyone Heard it here first On the world's Favorite podcast The music industry

Is fucked But no But you know But hey That being said I don't think Very I don't think

It's a mainstream Or it's a popular thing To go with it like that though I think honestly I think you know Bands like us Are kind of on the forefront Even though it's kind of It's's a popular thing to go with it like that though I think honestly I think you know bands like us are kind of on the forefront even though it's kind of

it's not new news at this point but I think in five years three to five years we're going to start seeing a lot more bands really taking the social media thing by storm and just

I don't know everything all the figuring out the ways to utilize all these assets that are available to us today alright so let me ask you this.

If you were the imaginary president of music, what would you do to fix the music country? Chris Q presidential music. Well, let's see. What's the problem with the music? And what is the problem exactly that we're trying to fix? No, I'm talking not music. I'm talking about how are we going to get the art

back into mainstream media? Like, say that you're the president of Geffen, Capitol, Warner, pretend it's a big-ass monopoly and you're the president of it and you get to... And I'm doing this for profit margins then. It's like, we got to make some money. We got to figure out how to get this back.

It's just like... Whatever you think you need to do. I mean, I don't i don't honestly know um i mean i think the pendulum swings i think people are gonna get so fed up with fabricated work that they're gonna it's all of a sudden like triple a road is gonna kind of like punk back in the day it's like but then punk went mainstream and it sucked you know it's like before that everyone's like this is where you get the good shit now you know you think we're in the disco era maybe yeah maybe like i'm not music wise, you know? You think we're in the disco era? Maybe, yeah, maybe. Like, not music-wise, but single-wise.

Well, we're just making singles. We're not making records anymore. We're just single. Keep writing singles. Keep writing singles. Totally. I think that's the whole corporate thing that's happening in Nashville.

I see a lot of my friends doing that, but I don't think the album, I don't think a lot of the album's dead at all. You know, vinyl's selling more than CDs. I think there's still a market for it. Maybe it's just, I don't know. The streaming area is still fairly new, honestly. We're just now starting to get

compensated fairly. I understand what a digital world is. It kind of happened during our era, too. Our era suffered the worst because the people that invented social streaming and all that, they just cashed in on it. It's like's like well no one knew how the system works it's like

except the people who made it and obviously they're not going to line the pockets of anyone but themselves it's like that's why the nmpa happening right now it's gonna it's the you know very soon the bands of tomorrow will not have it quite as hard as the bands of our generation in my it's my anyway. We'll see what happens. Yeah, I mean, I think it's hard to totally relate it to the disc area because at the same time, yeah, you can talk about the kind of mainstream stuff

that's in everybody's face, but if you have, I mean, everyone can dig to the depths of music creation just in their pocket on their phone you know it's like it's like you can go find the most obscure crazy shit out there on soundcloud or bandcamp or whatever it's like so easy for anyone to just make it available i think that's i think that's super special and, it makes it. There should be a renaissance because of that.

I'm like, there's a way to, you know, it's like there's a way for everyone to express themselves. Why are we, now we have to just skim through the fat. So how do we skim through the fat to get that fucking diamond? You know, it's like, there's so many people want to be musicians now. Like it was way different in the seventies where you had like 40, you know, it was one label.

So they picked everyone. Everyone else couldn't fucking tour. And like, hopefully the gig that they booked two months ago is still going down on a Tuesday, you know? Because I mean, you know, for the price of exposure, on the other side of the coin is oversaturation. So, I mean, it's like anywhere in the world, someone can look up everything that Future Birds has done right now. But that's the same. It's very easy to get your stuff on Spotify. So, you know, the amount of bands that are doing it,

it's just oversaturated, you know? Well, you guys are doing good. You guys are kicking ass. I hope so. Feel better. If you guys are sad, I'm always a phone call away with your girl. You got this. No worries.

You got this. No worries. It's all gravy. But, guys, one last thing. I'll always a phone call away with your girl. You got this. No worries. You got this. No worries. It's all gravy. But guys, one last thing I'll let you go. When it's all said and done, what do you guys want to be remembered by? Just, I mean, I don't know.

I think everyone wants to be unique and legendary in their own way, but we just want to be remembered as just being real and just doing our thing, I guess. It's simple as that, really. Making a connection with people and have it resonating and mean something is really, I guess. I mean, of course, you want big success

and you're naming the books, whatever, but when it comes down to it, you just want to do something that you believe in that everyone else does, too. And you fucking tried. Tried? Yeah. Hard, extremely hard. In the something that you believe in that everyone else does too. And you fucking tried. Yeah. Hard. Extremely hard. None of this, in the long run, none of this shit's getting remembered

anyway, you know? You never know. You could be the fucking folk bird of fucking 2094, dude. I'm speaking on like the cosmic sense, you know? Humanity on this planet kind of thing. So, I don't know. Trying not to worry about it too much, really.

Just stay present. Kick today's ass. Yeah, exactly. Stop worrying about yesterday. Stop worrying about tomorrow and just kick today's ass. It's tough, but... Yeah.

Well, I'm here to always remind you. I'm going to give you my phone number. Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to send dick pics, too. No big deal. Be like, what's up, Carter? How we doing today?

Thanks for being on the show, Future Birds. Thank you, dude. Thank you, dude. Thank you, man. Thank you, man. Nice to meet y'all. Absolutely. It's a pleasure. Hey, guys. It's Andy. How we doing? I wanted to play a song

I found on my Spotify that I'm on my way to San Diego for Thanksgiving. I feel it's suiting. It feels good. It's by YBN Cordae and Chance the Rapper. I hope you enjoy it, and I'll catch you afterwards. We'll talk a little bit more. I know myself far too well to be a stranger of pain Despite it all, we remainin' the same I'm just changin' the game

Hard, pure, never tainin' with fame Straight ahead, I'ma stay in my lane Never switchin' courses, life's amazing Shit is gorgeous, lookin' at the bigger picture Portrait and I smile wide Perform the song and the crowd cry How can I lie? I'm tearin' up as I'm startin' to stare And y'all lies

I know this shit you going through the last month You stressing as you hitting on that glass blunt A nigga praying to get lucky like Daft Punk You can't even stomach the pain, now that's a bad lunch Ramen noodles on the regular Add some seasoning and some hot sauce for a better touch Peanut butter, jelly, and syrup, sandwich, etc And we just flying in the nebula

And it might not be such a bad idea If I never went home again See, it might not be such a bad idea If I never went home again So don't you cry, little baby, little baby It'll be alright So don't you cry, little baby It's gon' be alright

I done been around the world four times looking for parking Finally found a condo that shit still feel like apartment Out south, my foul mouth started sounding like Cartman Roundabout like cartwheels, hopped inside of a U-Haul Confused where all my art went, monsters in a quiet place Some of these decisions is like Sharpie on a dryer race I know they thought I wouldn't, but I'm fireplace cartwheels, hopped inside of a U-Haul, confused where all my art went, monsters in a quiet place, some of these decisions is like Sharpie on a dryer race, I know they thought I wouldn't, but I'm fireplace, I had my cake and ate it too, that shit is in a quiet taste, I promised I would buy a place, I got my favorite roommates, they used to never see me like when you zip up a new

babe, do that shit for us too late, don't ever drink the Kool-Aid, don't ever think it's sweet, that's that creme de la brulee, who they, they rob a Goulet, they not see Cuckoo Goofay My wifey yellin' who they? My daughter yellin' hooray I see it clear like Blu-ray, I park it in the sky I keep em on my block, round the corner of my eye like a sty, uh So don't you shed a tear, cause there'll be better years I live life by faith, nigga, instead of fear God cryin', thunderstorms is heaven tears

The feeling of lost hope shit is never here Cause we gon' make it happen by any means A young nigga dog but I done witnessed many things Age 13 wearing hand me down skinny jeans You know they a lil' extra faded around the knees With the grass stains in em I really wish a little extra cash came in em Cause a nigga really needed it

Pain I defeated it And brought back Soul survivor Nigga what you call that And it might not be such a bad idea If I never went home again See it might not be such a bad idea If I never went home again So don't you cry, little baby, little baby It'll be alright Don't you cry, little baby It's gon', it's gon' be alright

And it might not be such a bad idea If I never went home again See, it might not be such a bad idea If I never went home again So don't you cry, little baby It'll be alright So don't you cry, little baby It'll be alright All right. Thanks, Future Birds, for being on the show. All right. Thanks, Future Birds, for being on the show. Thanks, Biebs, for meeting me early morning and having a talk about life and music and whatnot. But that's it, guys. I hope you had

a good one this week. Man, it's crazy. I had Thanksgiving in San Diego. I'd been running like a madman. I finally put a contract on a new house. So cross your fingers. I think that this one feels good and I'm going to be moving to Denver in January, which is exciting. So shout out to all my Denver homies. I'm going to be have a great time. But I was, I was thinking, I was hanging out with my family, um, for Thanksgiving and stuff. And you know, I only get to see him once a year, so they're getting older, and my sisters. I feel like we're losing closeness with each other. And it kind of makes me frustrated.

Not frustrated, just sad, because I think I blame social media for that. Don't you hate that social media makes you not want to call anyone just to ask how they're doing anymore? It's like we see all the good things people go through in their lives online. So in our heads, we think, ah, they don't need us right now. They don't need a deeper personal level anymore. It's like our best friends who are sitting right next to us, but we have no idea who they are anymore.

I think we need to fix that train of thought. See, life is strange sometimes. Even when you think you're in the prime of your life, going through an experience that will eventually shape you into the person you will be, we're still plagued with these fucking feelings that we're in this alone, that nobody is experiencing what our brain is

going through. I think this is bullshit. We need to realize that suppressing our feelings is unhealthy and that showing the world only the good things will make us too focused on others perceive us rather than what we perceive ourselves and what we think of happiness. Why should we feel a certain form of jealousy or fear or missing out just because we're analyzing how others play their lives? It's not their life. It's our life. It's their life and it's our life. We got to keep telling ourselves that. Shouldn't we be focused on how to make ourselves better? I mean, I get it. We're nervous to do things alone,

hence why we overthink, overdrink, overcriticize. It's scary, I know. But once you put your fear aside, I think we'll overcome this. If it's the risk that helps us keep going, it's the understanding that life will come as it comes and that we should just be looking forward to it. Looking forward to these vacations and these times with our families that we never get to be with, you know? I don't know, maybe I'm blabbering, but what I'm trying to get at is I just want people to get

along with their life, you know? Understand when it's feeling blue and mourn with it. Not fight it or try to paint a pretty false narrative over it. I see it in my parents. They're sad that they're getting older. I mean, it's hard to understand death and shit. It's hard to understand how to stay youthful when all your friends are passing away, you know? So I just, I feel for them, you know? But we're made to be unhappy sometimes so that when you finally do feel that sunshine we've all been seeking for, we can appreciate it

and celebrate it together. Don't hold your blue moments in until you explode. This is how people commit suicide and stuff. It's sad. Tell a friend when you're feeling down. They're probably going through the same form or the same feelings. If social media is keeping you from that,

then we got to make a change. Stop listening to the clutter. Stop worrying about what our fucking celebrities are wearing and fucking thinking about. Let's start worrying about what we think about ourselves. It's important. We have to stay present. So what, if we could could do Take a step back

Just remember the last time You felt completely present Let's take a couple seconds I remember I was I was on a boat But you know We gotta realize

Life is a miracle Don't take advantage of it We never know when it's our turn To leave this beautiful fucking place. So you might as well find serenity in it. Even in the fucking crazy bullshit times. So we could be present. So I could be present with my parents and my sisters.

And not think about what fucking deadline I have tomorrow. So whatever it might be. When you're feeling stressed or anxious. Just remember that moment when your mind was still And your smile was genuine It's the beauty of silence That makes us start listening to our surroundings again So enjoy the silence

Hug your mom Hug your dad Because they're afraid of getting older too Alright guys Love ya Be safe Who do we got on the show next week? Todd Berry Hug your dad. Because they're afraid of getting older too. All right, guys. Love you. Be safe. Who do we got on the show next week? Todd Berry, comedian.

It's going to be fun. He's a funny guy. I still am on my vacation. I'm heading to New York. I'll be in New York all of December because I'm not going to have a house. I won't have a house until January 2nd. So I'm going to go to New York. And my New York homies want to hang out for a couple weeks.

Holler at me. I'll be in the Williamsburg, the Bergie. My boy Alex. But that's it, guys. I love you. Be safe out there. Life's short. Enjoy these moments.

And if you need to talk to someone, we're all here. Don't be afraid. You're not alone. All right, guys. Love you. Talk soon. Well, thank you for listening to episode 67 of Andy Fresco's World Saving Podcast produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Angelow, and Chris Lawrence. Please subscribe and rate the show on iTunes and Spotify so we can make this a worldwide phenomenon.

For info on the show, please head to Instagram, the world-saving podcast. For more info on the blog and tour dates, head to anniefresco.com. Well, Christmas coming up. I say, change of pace. Our latest album. Listen to it. This week's guests are Future Birds. Find them online at futurebirdsmusic.com.

And our special co-host is Beeps from Beeps and the Moneymakers. Find her on YouTube. This week's special guests were Hunter Co, Ari Findlings, YBN Corday, Chance the Rapper and Arno Bakker. I spotted a rare Californian bird in Amsterdam this weekend. She hopped over for a short visit before flying to Spain to visit the

medieval city of Avila. Her mate was an extraordinary one, for he had written Avila all over him, possibly on his way home, though he looked like the kind of bird that feels at ease wherever he grabs his stick. Anyway, there were no future birds in this picture. It was all here and now. And that is the best place to be for two birds in love. Spread your wings, sing your love, and chirp your heart out. See you next week!