Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - EP 90: Dave Bruzza (Greensky Bluegrass)

Episode Date: July 7, 2020

While Andy chases waterfalls in Breckenridge (apologies to TLC), he reflects on his life and the gratitude overfloweth. Remember who you are, find yourself, and love that person. On the Interview Hour we welcome Dave Bruzza from Greensky Bluegrass! Ahri gives a July 4th PSA and Shawn sings a cover song by Neal Casal. Let your freak flag fly and don't be afraid to find a new path: Andy reviews DMT to close us out. This is ep 90. Black Lives Matter. Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For more information on Andy Frasco, the band and/or the blog, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out Andy's new album, "Keep On Keepin' On" on iTunes Spotify  Listen to Greensky Bluegrass: www.greenskybluegrass.com Produced by Andy Frasco Joe Angelhow Chris Lorentz Audio mix by Chris Lorentz Featuring: Ahri Findling Shawn Eckels Brian Schwartz Arno Bakker  Shawn Eckels 

Hey, it's Schwartz. Listen, I've now gotten two or three emails slash phone calls about you claiming to be a manager at 7S. You've got to stop asking me for an email address. You're not getting a 7S email address. You're not a manager. Stop pulling the wool over people's eyes. Stop pretending to be something that you're not. You're amazing at Andy Frasco. Be Andy Frasco. You don't need to be every occupation. I'm not

adding manager to your resume. You're not getting, again, an email address from our company. And just be content being you. You're Andy. You're doing everything already. I mean, just be content being you. You're Andy. You're doing everything already. I mean, you stay within your lane. Stop trying to manage bands and managing your own career. Please, Andy. It's a little bit of an insult to managers who have been doing it for a long time, who, you know, truly are great at their craft for somebody to come up and start calling themselves a manager because they booked a podcast guest or something. That's a little ridiculous. Thanks.

All right. How we doing, everybody? Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast. I'm your fearless leader for the next hour and a half, Mr. Andy Frasco. How we doing, guys? How's our heads? How's our heads? How's our minds? Are we staying strong through this fucking corona?

Are we powering through it? The spikes are back. America is going crazy right now. Crazy, crazy, crazy times that we're living in. It's a big awakening, I feel. Shit's happening left and right i feel like we're just like oh fuck corona and then we're doing the protests and um and we're getting you know aware of things that we weren't aware of before and it's just a lot to handle and i'm proud of everyone. This is a lot to deal with

and we're doing it the best we can. So fucking shout out to everybody. We're trying. All we can do is fucking try. I went out on fucking, I've been hiking. I've been going out. I took the weekend off.

Fourth of July, did some Breckenridge, love, went to Steamboat, fucking hiked to a waterfall. I've been going out. I took the weekend off. Fourth of July, did some Breckenridge. Love. Went to Steamboat. Fucking hiked to a waterfall. Fucking TLC would be pissed at me right now because they don't want me chasing waterfalls. But here I am with all the dad jokes for you.

But it was fun to get out there and hang out with all the homies and be cool with just being out there. And I had a great time. So shout out to everyone coming out and hanging out with me, Jeremy Salkin and Kunj and Dolov. And it was a good time. But yeah, this is your time to get away a little bit. Get out there, go see the world, you know, and for forced to, you know, not see people. It's okay. Go see the world, you know, and if we're forced to, you know, not see people, it's okay, go see the mountains, dude, the nature, nature is not canceled, it will never be canceled, you go out there, go, go find a place, fucking chill out, smoke a joint, like, I went to this waterfall, and puffed a cig,

and fucking smoked a joint, I'm like, yeah, this is living. And so I loved it. I'm starting to get into the actions of just trying to find different things I like. You know, it's like this quarantine, you know, it forces you to stop what you're doing for the second and understand what else you like. Remember what you used to like when you were a kid? You know, like the swings. I fucking love the swings, dude. I'm rolling in the swing, going to the park, swinging and shit. But yeah, go back to your old memories when you were a kid, you know, and think about what you used to love when you weren't distracted with work and your love interests and all the other things that life, you know, clutters your brain with.

Because when we were younger, it was cool to be bored. We figured a way out. We used to play with ourselves. That sounds weird. But you know what I mean? Like I, when I was a kid, I used to dress up as Batman and, um, and like run around the house. And then I dressed back up in my Andy clothes. And, uh, and it was just so fun. And my mom would play along. Where's Andy? Where's Batman Andy? And, you know, just figure out ways to love yourself again.

It's hard right now. We're not making any money. We're on unemployment. We're sucking the tea to the government. And that's cool. I mean, whatever. But find out what you love again. Find out what you need in life.

As we get older, we forget about ourselves and we forget about who we become. You know, I was so, you know, so stressed on work and just trying to stay busy with, you know, playing every fucking show I could and that I forgot who I was on the road. And, you know, it's okay to forget who you are. Just know that you could always find yourself again. We could always adventure and redevelop who we are as people. You know, we're fine tuning, grab those blades out and sharpen the knives and just fine tune your soul. You know, I went to, I'm talking about knives a lot because I brought sushi over to the house for Dolav. It was Dolav's birthday.

Shout out to Dolav. Happy birthday, Dolav. It was Dolav's birthday. So we're like, fuck, we're bringing a sushi chef to the house, keeping it quarantined. And it was badass. He had like seven blades. He was telling me all about the blades and all about, I mean,

Japanese really understand living in this present, living in the now and like kind of perfecting something in their life. So if one thing of this quarantine teaser, I think perfect something, maybe it's like a default that you had, um, that you just kept suppressing. Like for me, like I would intimacy was fucking hard for me. So I suppressed intimacy and suppressed intimacy until now. Here I am quarantined, 32-year-old man, never had a relationship before because I was afraid of intimacy.

So now this quarantine is, you know, I'm figuring out how to be intimate and how to be one with someone else and not just be selfish or just, you know, not really get deeper than I have. I think that I have to, you know. It's okay to be intimate. It's okay to be personal with people, you know. Let your freak flag fly. And if they can't accept it, tell them to fuck off because this is our life, not theirs. So always remember that this is your life

and you are in complete control. So if you feel like you're going on a path that's the self-destruction and you feel like I don't want to be in this path anymore, get the fuck out. Find a new path. That's the beauty of a free mind is we're not a prisoner to it.

So don't be a prisoner to your mind and let's fuck shit up because we're going to be in this fucking quarantine for another month or two months or no, it's four months. Um, cause shit's, I mean, every America, we were, it's like, we're like rapid dogs, dog. We, uh, we just, there's more and more spikes in the corona, so just figure out ways to entertain yourselves so no one gives you a bad look for going out and fucking raging or whatever. So I love y'all. I'm here for you. This is the time to reinvent ourselves, reinvent what we like, reinvent boredom. 2020, reinvent boredom. That is the new campaign. You know it. It's 2020. We're going to reinvent ourselves. We're going to reinvent what we like, what we used to like, and we're going to fuck this shit up for the rest

of the year. We're halfway done. We're halfway done with 2020. Un-fucking-real. Un-fucking-real Un-fucking-real But that's just me ranting right now, sorry I can't believe it's July already, guys It's insane So that's what I'm saying, time flies So we're gonna look back on this time like Fuck, I wish we I wish we found ourselves more when we were stuck in our houses

And not focused on Absorbed with so much on, absorbed with so much work and absorbed with so much, because this is our time to be ourselves. So be ourselves, find what you like. And when we get out of this fucking quarantine coma, we're going to be different people. And the real question is, are we going to like that person that we become? We can if we want to. You just got to do the work and find out what you love and fucking kick this fucking thing's ass. Because I don't want to look back on the corona like, oh, God, so much bad stuff 2020.

Because we could also look at the other side and say, hey, there's actually some great stuff too. I found myself. I found who I wanted to be. I wanted something in life, and I got it through the quarantine. So find that shit. Catch you on the tail end. We got a fun show for you,

and let's rock. All right. Next up on the interview hour, we have my boy, Dave Bruza from Green Sky Bluegrass. Fucking sweet boy from Michigan. Good guy. We can get to kicking with him in Denver. Just a sweetheart. Hey, Chris, play some Green Sky while I pip him out. Just a sweet guy. Got a lot of heartfelt song. Great songwriter, just a good guy in general. I think you're going to enjoy this interview.

So ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy Dave Bruza from Green Sky Bluegrass. My gasped elevation What if sorrow swam Good God won't even burn them Dave Bruza what's up Probably cut my hair off Save my peace Dave Bruza What the fuck? Andy Frasco I've been wanting to do this for a long time I know, we've talked about it over and over I feel like we talk about it

Yeah, I think that you finally wore me down So tell me Why do you love the Cubs so much what how much does it mean to you compared to music well it's a loaded question at this point in your life well it's something i grew up with you know um as a kid like my earliest memories are cubs games, my earliest memories. And it's more than just the team. And it's more than just baseball. To me, it represents family because my family were really big Cubs fans. And I get a little sentimental about it because like thinking about taking the Skokie Swift with my dad and my grandfather going to a cubs game i mean it means the world to me and like

to sum it all up when they did win the world series you know i cried my face off on stage and you know people who don't watch sports are kind of like they always ask me like why'd you cry like i don't get it and it's like you don't understand you know my grandfather lived and died never got to see that and he helped me become such a big Cubs fan. Do you think it's the idea of what the Cubs were that you love so much about it? No, I think. Never gave up. Still.

Well, no, I hear you. I like that. Lovable losers. That was the thing. But still, to me, it it really at the core just comes down to family for me my immediate family it's something that we do

something we're all connected with it's just a baseball team but it means a lot to me and my family we get to get together and watch games and go to games it's amazing. Was your parents and family supportive of you always?

I think my mom was a little concerned in my teenage years. Wow, what happened? Just about my trajectory in life. What were you doing? What was young Dave up to? Oh, I used to cut class a lot. What didn't you like about school? I had a hard time with it you know I don't think I had the right teachers I think it was the last generation that kind of grew up where they didn't you know really take a look at

people's way of how they learn you know like I've mild dyslexia a little ADD and a hard time with math and just you know understanding understanding things took a while. And I'd have teachers get impatient with me. And I think somewhere around sixth or seventh grade, this teacher, I just didn't get what was going on. And I kept asking questions, kept raising my hand, kept raising my hand. Finally, I remember her, I rose my hand and she said, David, if you raise your hand one more time, I'm sending you to the principal's office. So I put my hand up and I said, well, isn't that the point of school?

Were you rebellious? At that point, yeah. That got me rebellious. I kind of shut down, you know. I just gave up at that point. Yeah. I kind of shut down. I just gave up at that point. I started really getting into music more around that time. I've always loved music, but I was really starting to immerse myself in it. Explain that moment, that experience, when you first were like,

holy shit, what was the song? What was the CD? Oh, it's The End by The Beatles. I started off as a drummer and i would sit with headphones and play along with you know the beatles and like this was yeah it's about i was about 11 or 12 i think and i remember like i wanted to do that cool drum solo that ringo does so i i put my headphones on practiced and just did it and did it and like I put my headphones on, practiced, and just did it and did it.

And slowly my focus of everything in life was music, music, music. Holy shit. Did you have a brother or something into music? Yeah. Actually, I have an uncle who I'm named after. Really? Yeah, my Uncle Dave. He plays bass. He's really into funk stuff.

He likes Johnny Guitar Watson a lot you know and like so you were listening to that at a young age yeah yeah my older brother charlie and i were really close like the beatles were it for me as a child like i wouldn't i couldn't go to sleep as a young child without listening to abby road and sergeant pepper in completion i'd put my headphones on and i couldn't like, it was, I don't know if it was neurotic behavior, but like I'd lay in my bed, but I'd always, you know, fast forward to Mr. Kite because it scared me when I was little.

Oh my God. So music made you feel safe? Yeah. What were you scared of? Everything. Like what? What was like, what are you mostly scared of when you were a kid?

Mortality. I was really scared of death as a kid. I had a hard time wrapping my head around that. My brother's best friend died when we were really little. And I think it really kind of affected me more than I let on to believe. Did you ever mourn? Mourn? Did you ever mourn back then?

Did you know it? Or did you suppress it? I got really sad, but I wouldn't process the feelings. I didn't know what that even would mean back then at that age. But I think in time, I would start to really push things down. When my grandmother died, my dad's mom died when i was 12 and that was pretty hard to deal with because she had mean a lot to you oh yeah we didn't get to see each other a whole lot because she was in new jersey i was in michigan um you know but she was always you know great to

be around and you know i could i can hear her voice right now she always called me davey and she had this like east coast accent. Like, hi, Davey. Were they into music? Were your grandparents into music? Because you're an uncle? My maternal grandparents, they loved music. They loved Louis Prima, Frank Sinatra, big band stuff. Oh, yeah, my grandfather, that stuff would be Artie Shaw,

stuff like that. My mom loved rock and soul stuff and the Beatles my dad loved country music like Willie Nelson Waylon Jennings and Bill Monroe and stuff like that yeah you know my uncle was all in the funk and then my brother Charlie you know and teenage years was getting into like Frank Zappa and fish and stuff like that and you know I always loved the Grateful Dead from when I was about 11 or 12 what was your first concert of theirs this is Grateful Dead from when I was about 11 or 12. When was your first concert of theirs? It was Grateful Dead.

No, it was your first. I forgot about that. I think I told you about it, yeah. Hold on. Grateful Dead, no, I know that was it, but what age were you? I was 12. You saw Grateful Dead at 12? Yeah, yeah.

Did you know that there was things outside of the Grateful Dead? Did you see any of that stuff? Like Shakedown and shit? Oh, yeah. My other uncle, he took me to the show. We walked around. He was like, anything you see, just let me know. And I saw a Bluegrass band playing in there.

And I was like, oh, that's pretty groovy. And that's the first time I really kind of paid attention to bluegrass. At the lot? Mm-hmm. And I remember he mentioned that Jerry Garcia played banjo, and he had this band called Old Man and the Way. So I found that, and I was like, this is amazing. And it took a couple years to really dive into bluegrass

and go backwards from there. That's my later teens, early 20s when i really dug into bluegrass music holy have you experienced heartbreak yet at this time in your life oh yeah what was your first heartbreak well there's just a few um you know my ex-wife that's a big one for me yeah we're recently divorced being Monica. What about back then? Back then? Oh, it was every day. Yeah? So did you feel like people were against you? Like the world was against you?

Yeah, I definitely had that kind of feeling growing up a little bit. Why? Because you thought you were slower? Yeah, I just believed what... Oh, people picked on you? I got picked on when I was a little kid, yeah. By who? Oh, I was... See...

What's his name? Find that motherfucker. It was a she. Really? What'd she do? Oh, they used to, like, chase me around. This is when I was really little. They'd chase me around the playground and, like, pin me down and, like, kiss my cheek

and stuff like that because I... I don't know. Were you just, like, a pretty boy when you were a kid or what? Oh, I had the best mullet. I mean, it was... It would, it would curl up under my ear and stuff. I mean, I played hockey growing up. It was the 1980s, man. It's crazy.

Did you trust people when you were a kid? No. No, I was really reserved, very shy. My mom has a good story about me at the grocery store she always reminds me it embarrasses me to no end these days about i was with her at a grocery store grocery store you got that northern michigan came out there david the grocery store checkout line with her and i was saying something to her and the checkout lady was like oh you're cute or whatever you're adorable and I'm like excuse me I'm talking to my mother oh my god I was kind of a grumpy kid were you an asshole yeah a little bit yeah what were you

angry about you know I don't know I was angry that I had to go to school i was angry that i couldn't play hockey all day i was you know but for the most part you know i had some pretty decent friends growing up did you ever uh were you angry because you just wanted to do what you wanted to do it whenever oh yeah i that you hit the nose hit the nose you hit the nose eh hit the nose hit the nose hit the nose eh no that was that was me in a nutshell i was stubborn um my mom actually took me to school in my pajamas one day because i refused to get dressed because i figured in my mind you know i'm in like first grade i don't remember this these are things that my mom tells me and my first grade teacher would tell me because i would see her around kalamazoo but yeah she she was just like screw it man i mean you're going to school your pajamas and i had to face that humiliation and sure enough i mean it

helped i mean i ran away from school in second grade and walk i don't do you remember what i called the teacher a fucking bitch too who's she became like my yeah my hero yeah but i was so upset about something i'm like that's just and i threw i all i can like thinking about it now i could remember yelling fucking bitch at her and like throwing my pencil down getting my jacket on and leaving the school. And I just walked. And that was something that would repeat itself a lot. It was me going for very long walks. Yeah? Yeah. I ran away from almost every school I went to, I would do this. What made you stop running away?

Because even now you're committed. Is this the biggest commitment you ever had, your band? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I've been on Green sky coming on 20 years in october so what triggered you to stay with something i really believed in it and it you know at first we were just doing it for fun right because i was a drummer and i got a guitar and uh i made a joke that hey if i ever play guitar i'm gonna play bluegrass and know, Bont got a band. He did the same thing.

He asked for a banjo for his birthday or something and actually got it. And he learned it. And the two of us would get together and learn how to play. And eventually we're like, this isn't that bad. Like, let's go out to an open mic. How old were you guys here when you met each other? I met Mike when I was 17.

Would you do ratchet shit with him? What's that 17 and uh we do ratchet shit with him what's that would you do some ratchet shit with him like uh oh well like would you was he a troublemaker a little bit yeah yeah mike mike's a great guy we actually met at our buddy scott's house um you know he was the other guy on the other couch sleeping there so you three oh no there was a couple people in the house but like i'd go there and like hang out and you know party and stuff like that you know i was 17 when mike and i met and then i guess i guess i was i must have been that scott gave me a guitar scott o'day he gave me this old acoustic guitar and uh i learned gc and d and he's like that's everything you didn't know

what and then he he also like sat with me and like he's like okay why don't you sing i know you rider i'm like what are you talking about saying i don't sing man he's like just try it just try it so i sang the whole that was the first song i ever sang and played at the same time but scott and i were you know we had a high school band back in the day i didn't know that i played drums what was it called the wakeshma three what kind of music were you playing oh at the time we thought we were inventing i mean this is the you know middle 90s right yeah like right 94 95 and we thought we were inventing jam band music you know like an indian looks we're like oh yeah we're gonna be like nobody out there we're gonna play you know we're gonna play a country song and then play like a rock and roll song and then the

funk song and little did we realize that fish has already been doing that and so many other bands have already been doing that like you know example the grateful dead yeah the band that you watched your whole life yeah yeah but you know how you are when you're a teenager like that it just goes back to stubbornness yeah you know i was the same way man i would not i did not i went to school to did the bare minimum just so and every so i could spend time doing what i wanted to do you know and because of that i got in trouble in high school and stuff and it was just because we already did you already knew what you wanted to do in life when you were young? I think I did. You know,

I, it's hard to say. Cause it's like, I always, once I've, I mean, of course as a kid, I wanted to be a hockey player.

I worked really hard. Can we talk about that? Sure. What'd you love about hockey? Oh man. I just love the speed of it. And you know, it was just,

I was on skates before I can remember. I still have my first pair of skates before i can remember i still have my first pair of skates in my apartment um you know my mom loved it both my brothers played i think my sister even played for a season and uh i mean it was just the greatest game to me as a kid you know it was interesting because like you know we'd go to cubs games and stuff and you know that's why i always bring that to family because like at first that wasn't my first sports love my first sports love was definitely hockey and i just was i was focused as a kid and i played travel hockey as a young kid and i'd go to hockey camp in the summer and play in a spring league in detroit and like

you know my whole life has been in vans going to hotels and stuff like that like you know do you feel safe there yeah i mean i felt comfortable yeah these guys were like me and uh you know i had some friendships that i still talked to some of these guys i played with like way back you know and it was it was fun and it was and i was you know i was competitive like even in like playing uno with my siblings you know a fight could break out or nintendo you know my my brother charlie got his pinky broke by accident in a nintendo thing with my brother john hold on you guys are pissed off because y'all know each other nintendo wasn't pissed off but like i that was just a side story because like i guess charlie's finger was one of the controller and like john accidentally stepped on it and they were laughing and right yeah you know there was a lot of

sibling rivalry you know because they both played hockey too and they're both really good like my brother john um he's the oldest he's he's uh six years older than me he uh he was all-state michigan a senior in high school then he went to the naval academy and he played for navy did you look up to him oh yeah john was nice john john and i saw it we were both kind of quiet you know charlie and my sister heather were a little louder you know my sister was really you know she's she's incredible sister growing up she was there incredible sister growing up. She was there for my first steps and stuff and always took great care of me. Charlie and I, we shared a bedroom basically until high school.

Is this the closest age to you? Yeah, we're just about two years apart. His birthday is actually coming up. Is it so close? I watch my sisters. My sisters are eight and six years, so two years apart from them, and they would fight like motherfuckers. Oh, I mean, we would, yeah.

Charlie and I would get into it a lot. What would you get at? Anything. Were you a fighter in hockey? Not really, no. No. You weren't like a protector, like a goon? No, I wasn't a goon.

I mean, I couldn't, I wasn't, I got a lot of assists when i played out i played gold for a couple seasons too you know but like i was a setup kind of guy yeah i wasn't a big goal scorer and i wasn't a goon i had a couple good hits when you could hit yeah you know i wasn't like out of control i wasn't like uh let's see, Bob Probert, who can score and fucking beat the shit out of people. My mom actually said that to me last hockey season. We were watching a game, and she's like, I really miss hockey from 30 years ago. I really miss Bob Probert.

Hearing my mother, who was a business manager for a hockey team for a while to like say that is just so funny. I know. But it shows how much hockey was a part of your family because I mean, that's, that's so important. Like basketball was that with my flag football. Cause my mom would let me play tackle. Right.

My mom, I always wanted to play football. She's like, it's too dangerous. But here I am on skates going like three times the speed with a fucking blade if you fall like what the fuck i mean i i you know moved to vertebrae in my neck playing hockey and like i mean i i could have been paralyzed when i was a young kid but like i just find it so hilarious that she wouldn't let me play

football when you know here i am 12 years old like running the boards and skating as fast as i can running into people you know do you think it was just because of that was like town tradition more than football going to michigan i mean there's great football in michigan you know university of michigan is the biggest winning this uh sports teams of all time of any sport i think right so you grew up during that so your college team was michigan you know i didn't i didn't pay much attention to it when i was a kid yeah like football so you just cared about fucking the coveys love the cocky loved hockey and music yeah so was music the getaway because was anyone else doing music that you knew

in that area? Oh, yeah, yeah. I had a lot of friends that played. I mean, like, that was my brother plays, too. You know, like, and then, like I said, my uncle. So when we get to our teenage years, we would set up gear at my grandma's house in Chicago, and we'd have, like, jam sessions.

And my uncle would be playing, like, you know, Chameleon, like Herbie Hancock. And, like, we'd sit there and groove on it. I guess that's when I actually started really picking up guitar you know like i started like playing along because my cousin phil my uncle dave's son he played guitar really well and like we'd have these jam sessions was it easier to learn to play guitar when you play drums because of the rhythm i don't know i mean it made sense to me like it was something i could do like that's the same thing how we discovered i never took lessons for drums until i was in Because of the rhythm? I don't know. I mean, it made sense to me. Like, it was something I could do. Like, that was the same thing, how we discovered.

I never took lessons for drums until I was in middle school when I was in, like, band and stuff. Yeah. But, like, Charlie and I were at a wedding, I think, when I was five or six. And, you know, the band was taking a break, and my brother and I asked if we could play the drums, and we both just started playing a beat. Yeah.

So it just happened. Does that make you happy oh yeah yeah and then of course you know like a month later there's a drum set in our basement because it's like apparently we showed some promise enough promise for my parents to buy us so they're always supportive they've always been supportive to anything you did were they supportive when you didn't give a about school no been supportive to anything he did were they supportive when you didn't give a about school no no we had a couple battles there so was your were they your enemies in high school no i mean we kind of like ebbed and flowed you know like there'd be times when my mom would be very upset with me and my dad and there were other times where she would gently encourage to strongly encourage that i'd stop wasting so much time playing drums my grandma always had my back though grandma ginger oh shout out well she probably kept you doing it well she told my mom to like take it easy on

he's going to be a performer like she i guess guess, you know, grandmas, they know these things. Grandmas are amazing. And, like, I'm thankful that my grandma was alive long enough to see Green Sky Bluegrass in its earliest, you know, incarnation. But, like, she got to see me perform in front of people. What was the biggest crowd? That she saw? Yeah. Not very many.

But did she know still? Oh, yeah. She told me she always believed in me, you know? Yeah. Cause I was always kind of that kid around her, but. Did it hurt to feel that your parents didn't believe in you and something you really wanted to do?

I don't know if it's safe to say they didn't believe in me. I think they were more concerned about me going to school. Yeah. So, you know, so it would be unfair of me to say that they didn't believe in me because they yeah they would you know they're just punishing you because they knew how much you liked it they would help me you know get money together to buy equipment you know like i remember i asked my mom

for like 40 bucks or 50 bucks to buy a you know like an sm58 or something and she was like okay i was like wow that didn't take much it's usually if i asked my dad for that so i was like okay well go clean the gutters then mow the lawn and do yeah like do this work and so she knew she knew that she loved it it is halftime at the endy fresco interview hey guys ari finling here here with the j July 4th PSA for all the podcast listeners. It's very simple. Wear a fucking mask, okay? You want to go to a July 4th barbecue because you feel like you've been locked in a cage

for the last three months? I get it, okay? But wear a fucking mask. It's not that hard. Literally every doctor says you have to wear a mask. Don't listen to me. Listen to people that have medical degrees, people that have been studying infectious diseases for the last 40 fucking years. They say the only way to stop spreading the fucking virus is if you wear a fucking mask.

Just wear a mask. It's so easy. Oh, I don't want to. It violates my first amendment rights. No, it doesn't. You fucking idiot. Okay. Oh, does the seatbelt law violate your rights? Or just having to wear a helmet when you ride a motorcycle? Does the drinking age? No, it doesn't. You just don't want to wear a fucking mask because you think you don't look cool, okay? Not wearing a mask makes you not look cool. If I see you posting on Facebook, oh, happy 4th of July. Hashtag freedom.

Hashtag USA. Hashtag if I see you doing that shit and you're not wearing a fucking mask, I will track you the fuck down and beat the shit out of you happy fourth of july where were you here at 20 i was in kalamazoo i was back in kalamazoo yeah were you partying yeah yeah i used to party a lot when did you first get um first feel like depressed oh that was early on what you knew you knew what depression was early on or did you know early on as in like you know being a teenager yeah you know like i think it was my the first time it really kind of like sunk in with me like oh you're depressed this is about 12 what do you think triggered it uh i think it was my my father's mother passing

away that's gingy no not gingia no that's what's her name evelyn evelyn so it and then you went into did you know at that time that you're sad or just felt different i knew i was sad because she passed away yeah i didn't get to see her a whole lot. What about the lingering? Like afterwards? It just felt empty and like, you know, just didn't want to. There were days I didn't want to get out of bed and like stuff like that. I think my parents noticed it, you know, because I'm the youngest of four.

And I always felt like they kind of, you know, I kind of could just do whatever I wanted because they were so worn out. But, you know. What is depression to you? Yeah, it's, it's just pretty much my life. Yeah? I still struggle with it, You know, I've been, like I said, I recently got divorced and that was,

that's been really hard to deal with. But, you know, for the first time in my life, I've actually gone and gotten help. Like,

I've been seeing a therapist and I like it a lot and it's been helping me process a lot of these things that I've been ignoring for a long time. Like, what were you ignoring?

Like yourself? Yeah. Your happiness? Yeah. You know, I didn't take care of myself a whole lot. Yeah. You know, and then like I don't think people understand the toll it takes to go out on the road, especially like early on,

and just, you know, grind grind and grind like we were in a van for so long and we worked so hard like it ruined so many relationships because i was very focused on what i wanted to do and like that stuff would make me sad you know that stuff would make me feel rough and there's there was times on the road where i was like i don't know if i can do this anymore i mean i famously quit the band back in like 2000 when what happened oh i just had enough yeah like what was your mind state like how many days in were you on a road trip oh we were out for like i think this was like week three, you know. It was right before we really started to get some traction, right? Yeah. So it was just tough going to all these bars night after night.

And, you know, me and a couple of guys weren't really getting along anymore. And I wasn't really believing in what we were doing. And I just was like, I'm fucking done with this and then we talked about it and we're like okay i'll you know i'll i'll do the record and then you guys just have to find someone because i can't do this anymore and like i felt like i had some regrets my grandma had passed away pretty recently since then my ginger yeah yeah yeah and then um holy so i was thinking you know she always wanted me to go to college and i went to college and i was thinking about that all these guys you know they all got college degrees and like i'm like man maybe i

should do this and then so we i agreed to make the next record and the next record was uh handguns the next record and the next record was uh handguns yeah what the fuck are you serious you know the handguns record yes it's like uh didn't that pop you up oh yeah it was that was a big deal that was that record really it's a great record it's one of my favorite records we've ever made hold on hold on keep going with this record, oh my God. So I remember being in the studio and I'm trying to find this footage. Matty Beck, our manager actually, he had a camera there, right? So he was filming us making the record

and he interviewed me and I got way open one night when we were finishing up and I had a bottle of wild turkey, and I was sitting there just sipping on wild turkey whiskey. Just being honest. And I was dead honest and I basically said in the camera, I don't bottle of wild turkey. I was sitting there just sipping on wild turkey whiskey. Just being honest. And I was dead honest, and I basically said in the camera,

I don't want to quit this. This is too good or something like that. I just want to see this interview. Did you see that one? Did you make this interview after you made this record or before? It was in the studio, yeah. So right after it was done. It was like the last day.

We're just doing some housekeeping stuff, like cleaning up stuff. Okay, so tell me about the process. Okay, now I'm in. I had the same exact thing, bro, with my band. I almost quit. I just gave up. Then we put out this record, and it just rejuvenated me.

During this process with your brothers, how did the relationship start? How did your mind start getting back? What was the first song that you heard or what was the first thing that, what, tell me about the recording process. Well,

we, I think the song, it was handguns, really. It was like, this is a really good song, Paul. This is really good.

And, you know, and I think one after another and then we got to a point where I think, I wasn't even thinking about quitting the band after like a day, like just getting in there. This record was special.

I was like, this is really good. This is something. And then I think it was when Paul suggested, he's like, hey, do you have any interest in us recording Hot Dogs on Parade, which is an instrumental i wrote that's goofy ish i'll get out i was like sure yeah why not why not and then uh we just did the the track completely live you know we did like two or three takes of it and we're like okay that's this one sounds the best and i was having a lot of fun like you know i got honors to play this lap steel it

was just like a really goofy song and i went to the music store in uh in lansing elderly instruments which is like a you know high-end acoustic store and i got electric stuff too great great music store they're independent and you know if you have the means to buy an instrument look them up they do a you know online store too but anyways i go there and i was just getting strange or something i saw a a bunch of kazoos. And I was like, I'm going to get a bunch of kazoos. I'm going to go back there. I want to try this. And we're walking in there and telling everyone my idea. They were just like, what?

So we took a couple passes of the kazoo track. And then we just kind of like took it in and out. And Glenn, our engineer definitely he could hear cool parts that he put in there and you know the end of the song you know has we recorded the pop of champagne when we were done and that was the last thing we'd done the record was add that and it's just a bunch of us laughing together but i mean the whole process like that was one thing that's the one thing that really sticks out to me that and our buddy drew howard came and played uh pedal steel on handguns and like that was just really tied it together and like it was such a different record than we had made before

um we had a little more experience you know we did two records with tim carbone do you feel like you're becoming a pro yeah i could feel i could hear the progress i could feel the progress and like just us self producing a record yeah and that was it was great like us understanding the process much better now after making i mean that's our i can't remember well we made uh i guess we made three records before that and two of those we had Tim Carbone as a producer, which kind of- That was the guy who produced a lot of those records, right? Yeah.

Carbone was producing a lot of bands during that time. He still is. He still produces a lot of bands. Yeah. You know, he's a hardworking guy. Yeah. He's the guy from Railroad, right? Yeah, yeah.

The fiddle player. Yeah, he's badass. Yeah, he takes, you know, he's a guy I really respect and really helped Green Sky, well, Railroad Earth, I mean, I don't think people would helped Green Sky. Well, Railroad Earth. I mean, I don't think people would have heard about Green Sky without Railroad Earth.

What did he teach you about songwriting? Oh, anything's possible. I mean, there was one record we did with him. It's called Tuesday Letter. There's two things on that record. He's going to hear this. But anyways, I think I've told him. But he wanted me to ham bone

on a song you know yeah for those of you don't know what a hand bone is when you basically use your body as a drum set i felt ridiculous but like what but it was cool and it you know i trusted it enough and then once i heard the final mixes i'm like okay that makes sense it's so low you can barely it's kind of like a little treat that you find in there you're like

no one record this let me just do this in the dark let me just get the rhythm going oh no it was I don't know

that's great I mean like I learned a lot from Tim and those guys I bet I mean just how to tour

how to do that stuff like those guys taught us everything so who would you go to when you're feeling low on the road? Well, at the time, you know, it would be my brother Charlie a lot at those times. Any musicians that took you on? Oh, yeah.

I talked to the railroad guys. I can't even think of how many people I'd reach out to and talk to. There's a lot out there. I mean, of course, my ex-wife Monica was my go-to for a really long time. Yeah. And she was the main person I talked to. Yeah, man. I think it's like, I don't know.

I'm not analyzing your life or anything, but I think it's, you know, maybe when you're going through that low point in the band, maybe it's because you just forgot why you did it in the first place. Yeah. I never expected the band to do what it did. Really? You never wanted to be a rock star like that? I mean, of course, I would have dreams of that,

but I didn't expect our band to blow up like it did. You know, because it was for fun. So what kept you working so hard? It was fun. Yeah. And then we started writing songs, and then I really got behind it. I mean, I did our very first years, like when we were just playing around Kalamazoo,

I booked us. I started to learn that first level of how to book a band how to how to get paid how to so you were the point person in the beginning the very beginning and then paul's schedule got a little too hectic because he was in college so i told him i was like maybe you should do this since you know your schedule better because like i was just working and like like i got us this gig he's like i can't do that i have a test i'm like well maybe maybe this is something for you to do and you know when i look back on those days that was the best decision because paul is so meticulous and so good with that stuff like i wouldn't be surprised like when we got these like bigger gigs

that he would book he would tour manage us. You know, he was our everybody. He did everything. And I couldn't ask for a better person to do that because, you know, he didn't rip me off. He didn't fuck me over. Were you ever jealous of Paul because he could do all that stuff better than you? No.

You think I want to do all that shit? That's the point I'm making. Well, touche. Some people just can't do it. They don't want to do all that shit that's that's the point i'm making well touche like some some people just can't do it you know they don't want to do it i got nothing but respect and love for him for that you know he made sure that i was going to make money he made sure that people were going to hear what we had to say is there a guy in the band you go to when you're sad well all the guys you know you know deval and i lived together for a long time so you know we're all really close i mean it's we check in a lot you know all of them

is it hard to like you know it's like as you grow as a band and as life grows and we become as a band and as life grows and we become different people with like kids and family you know do you feel like in our family what that's just growing our family exactly i mean we all i mean i love it and that was you know that was my plan for a long time and like we all it's great like i love all these weekends that we have like tell you right bluegrass fest or like when we do our dc shows and we're at the super bowl weekend you know like everyone's significant other and kids will come into town and we have you know super bowl party together like our whole crew and our whole band and their families it's i i believe we are extremely extremely lucky to have what we have. Yeah. It's not that common in the music industry where a band is a family.

And they love each other. Yeah. That's the most beautiful thing about touring with you guys was everyone was laughing with each other. Oh, yeah. And smiling. It's the same thing with Umphrey's dudes. They're like that too.

They love each other and they care about each other. It's like, because there's always going to be turmoil there's always going to be upset you've been a band for 20 years yeah and if you don't fight that's bullshit you know it's like there's been a few we don't fight yeah right if any band tells you don't fight you ever fight on stage uh i'm embarrassed to say yeah what happened i mean i i can't i can't remember exactly i do remember definitely being a jerk on stage like someone just like i'm just like mean mugging or were you talking shit in the monitor on in your in-ear rig no no say no one hears you i mean just sometimes it's it's tough and i've been guilty of it a lot where you know I can be kind of moody and like yeah and I look back on those those performances there's been a

couple not a ton but like man I was just like after a day or two of processing what was going on like man you're such a dick do you and like not only am I making it harder for myself and my people on stage, I'm sure that somebody out there picked up on that. Yeah. That vibe. Like, what's wrong with him? Is it hard for you to say sorry?

No. It may take me a little bit. But you'll always be honest. Yeah. I'll say I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, that's the hardest part, I think, is when you realize you... I feel like you feel people's emotions.

Me? I'm sensitive to that. You're pretty sensitive? Do you catch on and then does it make you sad when someone else is sad? The hardest time is when other people are fighting. I have a hard time processing and being helpful in that situation

where I get kind of uncomfortable. Why? I don't know. It just makes me feel weird. I wish I could put it better, but that's that. Are you still afraid to die? Sometimes it crosses my mind. We didn't go back to that.

I wanted to talk about that. Did you ever have a near-death experience um i mean i was in a really bad accident when i was 15 that was probably the most near-death experience i could ever had did you go to the hospital i should have um once again my friend scott and i he he was driving you know we had a bunch of sorry mom but we had we had a bunch of beer and like some weed and we were going to meet up with some girls we left my house and this was less than a mile from my house of course yeah all these things happen yeah and there's this kind of

blind corner but the four-way stop. So everyone stops. And Scott just bought this like an 86 Grand Wagoneer. Had a big bench front seat. I mean, this thing's a tank. Yeah, huge. And this guy, I mean, I remember it's so weird how I can, you know, things from this area you can't remember. And then other things are just like vivid.

And like I remember seeing the lights kind of through those trees as we were going to the stop sign. And I remember we stopped, and I remember making that turn, and then I remember the sound and the impact. And Scott was on top of me. I think I might have broken the window with my head like i definitely was concussed but like i was freaked out because i wasn't supposed to be out i'm 15 you know scott's 17 i think this time we you know we this wreckage is there scott is he got messed up you know he got a lot of nerve damage and like he was messed up

he had it worse than i did let's let's put it that way and i love that guy i still do we actually just talked the other night for the first time in a while which is great but um i remember you know glass in my hair had long hair i remember his dad showing up and just in tears but before his dad showed up scott was on the ground you know he's moaning and like this guy is like coming up to us like i'm so sorry blah blah blah like oh my god oh my god i'm gonna call 9-1-1 blah blah blah and i remember scott was looking at me he's like get the weed it's 1995 okay so this shit you go in jail yeah we're gonna get in trouble so i go back the stuff i can't get it out because in the glove box the whole dash was smashed right got the beer through

it in the trees by wherever we were close to you know good neighbors since this is before cell phones and stuff they called 911 scott's dad got there you know and he was in tears and I I was consoling him and I don't know why I thought it was best for me just to kind of like sneak away back home because we were so close to my house instead of going to the hospital I remember kind of being really shaky really nervous you're afraid to watch him die no I mean he was in pain but he was alive and you could tell he was alive and I know that his dad was way more concerned. I mean, I definitely hit my head. I definitely probably had a concussion.

Yeah. So you went home. I went home. And I remember just being really, like I said, shaky and just weird. And I don't know what's going to happen. And I took like an hour-long shower. And I kept finding glass all over the place. I don't think I did. I think i might have told my parents later you know shit yeah but you know so you suppressed that why are you scared to tell

anybody i don't know i felt like i was doing something wrong because i was like sneaking out of my house you know oh my god but like yeah scotty pissed that you didn't go to the hospital then no I don't think we ever I don't know what our our rationality was for me not going but I think we had a plan like it's that part of it's kind of hazy like we kind of had an idea like maybe we should just say it was you driving and you know leave me out of this and yeah but um no we talked about it recently so why that made you scared of death well that didn't you were already scared at this point

so did you ever see any light or anything no it wasn't like that this is the closest to your death I don't have any so now what are you scared about, about death? As you get older?

You know, just missing out on things. Yeah. I don't know. It's like I live my life so opposite from a person that would be afraid of death. Yeah.

You know, I like to drink and I still have a problem smoking cigarettes and stuff. But like, you know, sometimes it doesn't bother me as much as it did when I was a kid. But I still, it's sad. It's sad. When friends pass away, it hits me pretty hard.

I feel that pretty deep. That's why when relationships end too, it probably hurts you too. Because it's kind of like death. Yeah. I'm pretty sensitive and kind of a romantic. Yeah, it's crazy, man, because I'm scared of death too. I'm scared of the legacy I'm going to have. What type of legacy, you know? Right. But like, am I, excuse me. But because of that, I'm so scared to die that am I really living?

Yeah. Are you really living? Yeah. I don't think it's, I mean, in these times though, it's just messed up. It's changed me a little bit. You know, I'm usually more of an introverted person, but like I like being around people. I mean, being introverted, you can be around people.

People just assume that you're like a shut-in when you're an introvert. I think when you're sad, you go in. Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. I've definitely had sadness. It's been like that your whole life, though? Yeah.

What does your therapist say about that? Oh, she basically just says, I need to not do that. She's she's like you know if you're feeling something right you know yeah i mean i've been using like more like a journal kind of thing lately and like that's something throughout my life that's been suggested but like now i'm kind of like taking it more to heart where i'm like okay let's examine this a little bit do you feel like you dread people with your feelings when you're sad? What do you mean? Like, to you, it's like a burden to give someone these heavy feelings because you could feel heavy feelings from a relationship.

So, like, because of that, you kind of have this, like, PTSD. Like, I don't want to give that to someone else. Yeah. I can be pretty afraid to do that. Yeah. But is that why it's hard for you to commit? Probably. I have a hard time.

Being vulnerable? Yeah. Me too. Why do you think, do you think that's why we love the road? Because we don't have to be vulnerable? I mean, it's a possibility. I love the road because it makes sense to me. Yeah, me too.

And like, there's no, i can't explain it like you know it's just like there's like anyone who's like a doctor or yeah anything like that it's like maybe that was something they worked for but like now it makes sense like for me i can't see myself in any other line of work i used to paint houses and like yeah i was the past 20 years of my life that's what i was doing i mean i don't know i want to contribute and the best way i can contribute is through music and being with my guys and like same i mean i love that feeling like i get really shy like when we have after i mean you've been on the road with us like i kind of yeah you go out there you get the fuck out of it like yeah you

know i mean but when i'm on stage like that that's the most comfortable yeah that's what do you feel like that's where you're your most secure self yeah same like that's me up there i keep on i gotta stop telling myself that living on the road is bad you know i mean because it's all about your decisions. Yeah, of course. Of course. But it's about judging. It's like, no, the life.

Like, we judge people's life. Like you said before, not a lot of people are doing this. So we judge our happiness through people who don't understand what the fuck we're doing. Right, right. So it's kind of tough to, like, take a step back. That's why I'm,'m like so thankful i have like you in my life dave and like fucking dave schools and vince herman these guys who i could look at and talk to about this i'm not going to talk to peter the lawyer about my fucking nine day, you know, sleep deprivation because I, I can't say no, right.

You know, so I mean, it's just, so I just want to say thank you for being my friend and thank you for fucking just being here for me. I mean, I know we're new to our friendship, but I see something in you and I fucking love you, dude. I love you too. I too i really do i mean it all made sense like getting to know each other last fall and then you moved to denver in quarantine and then i quarantined i mean yeah you're you're a pretty exceptional person i'd have to say there's not many people like you um you know when you say these things you actually mean it when you take an interest in someone from what i've noticed the short time that we've known each you actually mean it when you take an interest in someone from what i've noticed the short time that we've known each other you mean it and that's so rare in humanity to have someone like that and you know it means a lot to me that you're checking on me the past

couple months and yeah fucking love you're going through a hard time i don't even want to talk about it but i have to talk about that no We don't have to talk about that. No, we're not. But to know that everyone goes through hard times, whatever way it is, makes us human. It makes us, like this quarantine, we could say it's a hard time. Sure, it's a hard time, but it made us miss our band. It made us miss the thing that made us most secure.

So we just can't forget about the things that make us most secure like that Chicago Bulls had in 1997. Chicago in the house. Dave, thanks for being on the show, man. I appreciate it, man. I love you, bro. You're going to St. Louis, huh? Is it a surprise that we should not talk about it?

I'm going to go back there. Sick. That'll be fun. You're going to have fun out there. You're going to go see Trey and go kick it with your boy Trey. Jerry. I watched your live stream. You got time, right? Yeah, I got time.

Give me your experience about fucking being live but having not a crowd there and just Jerry. You know what? Because you were kicking ass on that that was amazing man I love your stream

I love that stream the take cover I'm starting to slowly like release the archive ones they're going to be live on YouTube probably at the end of the month I would say two of them are up right now

but man that first one just like knowing that there was people out there yeah like I had a little you know monitor set up so I could, I was like, okay, I can read the comments and play.

That didn't happen. But I knew people were out there. I knew they were out there. And then hearing the metrics after that stuff, I was like, wow. They all stayed tuned in. Like, wow, they're really into this. It looked like soft core porn, dog.

I swear to God. You're singing so beautifully, and all of a sudden, he's just doing these soft rolls to one side of your face. It looks sick. Trey does a good job. He knows what he's doing,

for sure, on those cameras. Because what did he do? Fish, too? He's the guy for fish? Yeah. His company's called 201 Productions. Sick. He's one of my best friends out there.

Him and Jerry were very adamant about me going out there at that time. Like, hey, come here, stay with us. Don't worry about food. Don't worry about anything. But to get back to that and play live. And even in this weird situation, this was my opportunity to play live. This is what I can do to play live. Yeah.

Did you get the same security? Oh, I felt great. Great. Fuck yeah. That's what i'm talking about i felt so good it was just i mean it made so much sense to me and it felt so good and finally when ally alley crawl got on there that was the first musician i've played with since quarantine did it make you miss the band more? Oh yeah. I always miss my band. But like when you play. I think later that's what sunk in but like I think when Allie and I were playing the both of us were like man I could not play with another

living human being. I know. Because you know we've done all those like remote video recording stuff. But like to have someone and Allie and I we've played together but we realized we've never like sat down and just did I we've played together but we've never we realized we've never like sat down and just did what we did yeah for those two shows we're like it was so much fun and we're smiling and we're jamming and stuff like it was just cool it's fucking badass it felt good

for my mental health so did you yeah seriously I mean with that being said you know knowing that you know this is might be the norm for six months. Are you finally, you're cool with it? I mean. You got to make the best of it. Right. That's it. If I can't go, you know, and play at a shed this summer.

Yeah. Which, that was a big blow. I couldn't go to, you know, everything. I'm not going to say you're going to list everything. You know exactly what I'm talking about. The Wood Brothers. Fucking sick, dude. Yeah, that would have been great. I think Paul had Oliver on his show the other week.

I saw that. It was like sad because it could have been together. Yeah, we would have had a really good. We still did the tour merch, though, that we already had in production, I think. Buy that Wood Brothers. The tour, you know, they ain't going to stop. The tour that will happen later. Oh, man.

You still get a cool hat with like a floaty that says Greenskin on it. I already bought it, dude. Dave, thanks for being on the show, man. One last question. We'll go hang out before I don't get to see you for a few weeks. What do you want to be remembered by? I don't know that's a heavy question

that's not something I could ever answer on the spot you know it takes me a long time to process things thinking of that is like what do I want to be remembered as there's so many things that pop up like the typical

he was a good guy really caring uh but like i don't know or how about this question then what would you tell 2009 dave right before he's about to quit what 2020 dave knows now about life well i'd say hey maybe you should stop doing blow earlier in your life that was about you know cuz I haven't touched cocaine and I guess eight years good for you yeah what was the moment that made you stop Oh Monica was the reason I stopped yeah that was the ultimatum she gave me yeah it's like that's what you want to do and yeah yeah she did you know that's as you can yeah because everyone hears they know that's probably what i've been struggling with the most yeah and i have and she was she was always a good

voice of reason and i miss her a lot i know she misses me. It's not the same. It's a sad situation, but yeah, that was a big decade. Yeah. I mean, I'm proud you had it. Oh, yeah. Because you were vulnerable, and that's fucking honorable. Yeah. So shout out to you, Dave. You got a lot of things going on with your life,

and for you to take some time with me is just, that's how I know you're my fucking guy. So Dave, thanks for being on the show. And whatever you're looking for in life, bro, you're going to find it because you're Dave fucking Bruce. If the Cubs can win a fucking World Series, you could find fucking happiness. Love you, Davey.

Love you too, Andy. Now, a message from the UN. Everything you want's coming in good time No one's gonna bring you down It's just too long to find I keep you know beside my bed It gets me through the longest of nights I keep this dream inside my head It's simple, without it I would die let it sweet

in the distance sweet in the distance baby sweet in the distance sweet in the distance between me and you

it's alright What's the sense of looking back and still remember wasting so much time Nothing's gonna change the facts, it's far too late to cry That's gonna change the facts It's far too late to cry Love may tear us apart But it's never gonna leave us behind I keep this dream inside my heart It's simple, without it I would die

Without it I would die Let it sweeten the distance Sweeten the distance, baby Sweeten the distance Sweeten the distance Between me and you It's alright And there we have it. That's it, guys.

Hope you're doing good. Hope you had a good one. Hope it was fun Tuesday or whenever you end up listening to this podcast. Got a lot of things going on. Been smoking that 14er. Been thinking, moving. That's one thing I like about this 14er weed.

It really makes me think and write. I've been writing so much, inspired to just build these podcasts and build the talk show and started writing music again. I feel like certain weeds kind of get me into the fucking kind of depression mode, but shout out to 14ers. So if you want to go get some weed, if you're in the Colorado area, go to Boulder. a 14er. So if you want to go get some weed, if you're in the Colorado area, go to Boulder, go talk to my boys at 14. They're the best. They really take care of me and fulfill me with the brain power to keep going and do all these shows. But I'll leave you with this.

You know, just remember, if you don't feel like you want to wear the jeans that you used to wear your whole life, don't wear them. I say that as a metaphor. Be the person you want to be. Fuck what everyone else says. If you want to fucking take mushrooms and fucking find yourself, tell your mom to fuck off for a couple weeks. I'm going to find myself. I'm just kidding. Don't tell your mom to fuck off.

She loves you. And if she doesn't love you, fuck it. Don't let it save that energy in your brain. Put that energy into something else. That's just not mothers. Anyone. Don't hang out with people. Don't feel like you're forced to hang out with anyone

or forced to love anyone because we're going to look back at this when we're 80 and 90. I just want you guys to be authentic as possible. If there's anything this podcast can teach anyone or even me, I mean, this podcast taught me so much about myself, about being vulnerable and being intimate.

So whatever it is, just make sure that when you're 90 or when you're going to the next dimensions or whatever, I took some DMT. I'll tell you about that in a little bit. But whenever you're going to the next dimensions after this life, just go knowing that you tried your best and you did everything you can to improve yourself and love the world and love every inch of what you experienced in this life. Because we don't know what's going to happen after this. If you believe in God, fuck yeah, bring in Jesus or whatever, Buddhist, whatever it is, whatever you believe in. But just in case, nothing happens, let's enjoy this moment. Let's enjoy the present and let's enjoy just everything about this world. Smile more. Cry if you feel sad, but smile too,

took some DMT, been taking DMT every week these days, that's what's crazy about these vapor, Denver's like, are like connoisseurs of drugs, like they got all these like, yo dude, you want to try DMT out of a fucking vaporizer, I'm like, what the fuck? Isn't that a, don't you smoke it out of a pipe? Like, no man, new technology. So I did it. And yeah, I finally, I told you about this on the Billy Strings episode. I'm like, I didn't fucking find anything on the DMT.

Well, this time, holy shit, I was flying through space. And you know, like the Zoolander where everyone's playing with the gasoline and they're just happy. That's how I was just flying in space, not worrying about that there's no oxygen. I'm like, woo, look at me. But I did find a lot about myself. It focused me in on the things that I was not focusing on in my life. Like, hey, you should work on that. Or you should work on that. I'm like, oh, okay, DMT, thanks. So I had a new revelation,

and I'm pumped up to see what's going on. Post-DMT, it's like a PD, post-art. What is it? No, after DMT, AD. I'm on that AD kick right now. But I feel good. Sometimes when I take psychedelics, I go through these spirals for a couple of weeks, because sometimes you have bad trips and your brain's like, whoa, whoa, I did not think about

that in a while. And then sometimes your brain's like, yeah, it's a nice thing to think about. Let's think about that for a couple of weeks and try to improve ourselves. So improve yourselves always. Stay focused on the now. Be part of something you believe in. And yeah, we're going to be okay. So I took a week off. So we got the shit show on Thursday. We have Robert Randolph, Maggie Rose,

and we got Frasca Finds Love. We got some more submissions that are fucking insane. So go watch the shit show Thursday. I'm just going to keep doing it. You know, a lot of musicians are giving up on the streaming. Not your boy.

I'm going to give it to you until, I mean, I don't have any shows until like November. So, I mean, I'm going to keep doing this. If you still like it,

just let me know. But I think we're on to something here and just developing my interview skills and doing interviews live. I want to do a live podcast, maybe in a town, maybe at a drive-thru. If you guys want us to do the podcast live in your town holler at us and we'll figure out a way to do it maybe we can even do i think it'd be even fun to do

the podcast at someone's house and you and we could do like a live listen and show you how we do these podcasts so let me know let me know if know how you feel about that. And then next week, we have Lucas Nelson on the show. Lucas fucking Nelson. And then we have producer Jonathan Wilson, who's done like fucking everybody's album. Father John Misty. He's just like

indie hip. And then we got Magic City Hippies. We got a bunch of fun interviews. Michael Franti. He was supposed to be last week, but we had scheduling figuring out because we're both busy as shit. So we'll get it, but Franti's in.

But that's it, guys. I love you. Be safe out there. Let love be the answer to whatever fucking weird fears you have. We're going to fight this. Quarantine is going to be our bitch. Or I can't say that.

Quarantine is we're going to fuck shit up. We're going to fuck this quarantine up. I'm working on my grammar a little bit. Don't want to offend anyone. This is 2020. I'm working on my grammar a little bit. Don't want to offend anyone. This is 2020.

It's a crazy time to be a writer, a comedian, or whatever. So it's great that we're all waking up and we're figuring out other ways to make people smile. So I love you guys. Be safe out there. And I'll catch you on the tail end next week. Or I'll catch you on Thursday. Or I'll catch you on the dance party. We're still doing the dance party every Saturday too. Damn, a lot of Frasco. Hope you're not sick of me. I love you guys. Have a great day and I'll catch you later. Arnold, give me something nice. Give me something sweet. Give me something sexual.

Actually, don't give me something sexual. You tuned in to the third season of Inquisitive Communication at Andy Fresco's World Saving Podcast. Thank you for listening to episode 90. Produced by Andy Fresco, Joe Angel and Chris Lawrence. Please subscribe, rate the show on iTunes and Spotify so we can make this a worldwide phenomenon. Before we end from the show,

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Our special guests this week are Ari Findling, Sean Eccles and Arno Bakker. Man, our worlds are shaking. I gotta run. There is so much work to do now and ahead. Gotta learn, gotta speak up. Wishing you to stay healthy, stay sane, be informed and keep making judgments

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