Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - Geese frontman Cameron Winter Interview on New York, touring, and Heavy Metal || World Saving Archive

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Andy Frasco’s World Saving Podcast archive episode with Cameron Winter, lead singer and songwriter of Geese. Cameron discusses touring with King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard, growing up in New York, and forming Geese as kids at Brooklyn Friends School. He reflects on how the band planned on quitting after high school until they signed with Partisan Records. They also discuss Cameron's solo record Heavy Metal and how it pushed him in new creative directions. We also ask the question on the mind of all jam band nerds: Is there beef between Geese and Goose? 👉 Subscribe for new episodes every Tuesday 📲 Follow Andy on Instagram and TikTok: @andyfrasco and @worldsavingpodcast Call and leave us a message and we might respond to you on the show: [phone] The World Saving Podcast is part comedy podcast, part music podcast — with raw musician interviews, funny podcast clips, and highlights from Andy’s adventures on the road. Each week features musicians, comedians, athletes, or everyday legends. Watch this episode now on Volume.com & YouTube. If you like this podcast and want more, sign up for OnlyFrasco exclusively on Volume.com. They also have tons of live streams, concert recordings, and unique artist experiences. For all things Frasco, go to: AndyFrasco.com

I was really concerned with the solo album not being diet geese because solo albums are usually fucking terrible versions of an existing. Yeah, that's true. Sting. Yeah, fuck off, sting. Fuck off, sting. Yeah. He definitely listens.

Never going to make a dime. Yeah. Englishman in New York bullshit. He loves this podcast. Be a New Yorker from New York, like my boy Cameron. A man. A myth. A myth.

The legend. A future legend. A future legend. He's young. He's young to be a legend. We can't, we can't put that L on him yet. He's bringing back garage rock, though, I think. I like it.

Cameron, how you doing? I'm great. I'm great. Fantastic. He sounds like I do. He talks like I do when you ask me how I'm doing. Yeah, I'm perfect. The first question is, just because you're plural with geese.

Does that mean you're better than goose? Oh, boy. it's been nice being on with you guys. No, I'm just kidding, brother. How's it going? How's the tour? The tour was great. We just got back from Mexico. Oh, cool. Which was phenomenal.

What's the difference between Mexico City crowds and American crowds? Well, Mexico City crowds primarily speak Spanish. Also, they're just, everyone in Mexico was so, I mean, they were like the most lightly attended headline shows we've played in like two years, I think. Like Guadalajara had like 60 people maybe show up. And it was, at first it was really humbling. But then we went on stage and they were the craziest crowd we've had in so long. They were just so, they were just so, they seemed like grateful that we were there. they were just like, oh my God, it was really intimate.

It was actually a great, great show. I love that. See, it's just, yeah, I think it is. It's the grateful. We were talking about fatigue in America with shows. We were just talking about this. Like, so many shows going on. It feels like you have to, like, prove them right or they're going to keep their shoulders, you know?

In Mexico, they're like, thank fucking God, a band that rocks. Yeah, they love rocking in the Latin America, too. Yeah, Europe, too. You guys tour Europe? Yeah, yeah. A couple of times. Isn't it crazy? It feels like punk rock shows.

Yeah, no, those UK kids can drink. I was wondering that. Do you guys drink? Do you guys party, take Coke? Anything of that? Any rock star shit? Oh, you know, we're known to dabble in all manner of things.

We're Jacks of all trades. Everything in moderation. Everything in moderation. Lately, though, you know, following a bus, for the Gizzard tour recently we kind of didn't party at all because we were so exhausted. It was a lot of

mornings, et cetera. Yeah, and especially how hard Gizzard works. Like, they're doing three shows. They were doing a they did a 1 p.m. show at Red Rocks here, I think. Did you do that one with them too? Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. And it was like sold out, I think. Yeah, they played at 1 p.m. on a Monday.

And then they played that night. They had a matinee at Red Rocks. What did you What did you learn about Gizzard's work ethic that inspired you? Oh, they don't work that hard. This guy rules. I fucking like you, Camer. No, no, they're, I mean, they're so nice. Like, they don't even think of it to me as, like, working hard.

They just do it. They're those people that you hear about who are, like, happy generally. And they just do what they want to do. And they live their dream. just by sheer virtue of continuing to do what they like to do no matter what. So it feels almost like an inevitability that they'd reach this point or even that they're going to keep their star will keep rising or whatever. This is why we need to be socialists.

Look how much happier people. Australians are. Australians are so fucking happy. If this fails, I can still go to the doctor. Yeah, exactly. That's great, man. So I'm very curious about you grew up in New York. The whole band grew up in New York, right?

Yeah, that's right. So when did you guys start? When did you know this thing was becoming a big deal? And then I want to talk about this private school you all went to. What is it called, Friends of New York? Brooklyn Friends School. Brooklyn Friends School. Seems intense.

Seems intense. And it seems like pretty wealthy. So I got a lot of questions I got to ask. First, how did you meet the band? Well, I met the band. a focus group for um no i met them when i was a little i met them at a it was 18 years old yeah well we went to small together as little kids we were in this extracurricular program we weren't max and i are the drummer max and i were pretty good friends already uh beyond music

but then um emily was sort of not totally in our orbit until we started doing an extracurricular sort of fake, you know, give a bunch of little kids instruments and watch them play, you know, satisfaction type thing. And so we were all in that and we got a real kick out of it. And we just kept playing together. And we eventually stopped going to the extracurricular thing and just started going to Max's basement.

And that's sort of how we just started hanging out on weekends and playing together. Was it, you know, your dad's a musician too. he's a composer? Yeah, yeah. Was there, like, a lot of pressure when you're a kid to kind of make him proud or, like, kind of like, or was it kind of like the anti that, like, fuck that. I'm going to do my own thing, be a rock band. You know, it's hard to win when kids go into the same occupation as their parents.

And I was always thinking about what kind of mind fuck that is. I think it was a healthy combination. I mean, my dad, my dad runs a sink library for, like, commercials and trailers and and occasional like soundtracks and stuff like that. So he oversees a lot of composers who work from home and contribute to this thing. That's his business. He had a lot of leftover recording equipment

that he would sort of foist upon me in an effort to get me to stop, you know, playing Overwatch or something like that and just fucking something. And it eventually worked, you know, I started making these terrible, terrible songs and just showing them to him. him. And he would be brutal about it. He would be like, this is crap, you know, like this,

there's no story it tells, you know, the EQ is terrible, you know. Wow. It would be honest with you like that. That's awesome, though, I think. Did you like that or it'll piss you off? Well, it, it was disappointing to know that I wasn't great immediately, but, um, you know, it did, it did, uh, end up helping me. And then of course, my mom, everything she's ever heard from me has reduced her to tears. Of course. You got to have that too. So I've got a healthy dose of just blind encouragement as well.

No participatory trophies from your dad is what you're saying. Yeah, you don't get a participation trophy. No, I think actually now he's softened a lot because he trusts that I know what I'm doing to some extent and he's willing to give me the benefit of the doubt more often. Yeah. But it was, you know,

I think he taught me he did influence a lot of how I wrote originally because every time I'd show him something he'd be like, what's the point? You know, that's why there's a lot of big endings and a lot of the songs, you know, like a big explosive ending because he would encourage that. And I think if two parents are kissing your ass,

you become kind of a little bitch. Yeah, you need that devil. You need one and one. The devil and angel on the shoulders thing. Because if you don't have two people kissing your ass and they both just treat you like shit. Yeah. Then you kind of,

then you have nothing too. So I think it's a good balance that your mom loved and coddled you and your dad said, listen, this song fucking sucks right now. We need more energy. Yeah.

Yeah. No, you either become a little bitch or son of Sam or you become... Or you become Cameron. That's what I... I like it.

I like it, Cameron. Thank God you're not a serial killer. Thank God you're not a serial killer yet. I don't know. He might be good at it, though. We don't know. He never tried it. So I saw these notes of like,

you guys almost didn't want to do the band. until you got signed? Like, tell me about, like, you almost quitting or college. Like, what was that story about? Well, we sucked. And all of us wanted to go to a college. All of us had plans to go to college. In senior year, we recorded our first album in our basement,

kind of just for fun to see if we could, like, finish a real project that we liked. And we did it. And we started posting it online. and pretty soon we got hooked up with this guy over Instagram who was just like, I'm going to send you to this lawyer who, and the lawyer then sent our music to these indie labels and we suddenly started getting a lot of offers,

which was absolutely right as COVID was rolling in, we were getting offers from like subpop and 480 and some other places as well and we were just over the moon we were like fuck school you know we're gonna be we're gonna take this to the moon baby we just freaked out i mean because we had no experience with the music industry whatsoever we thought it was like this untouchable we just had no idea how to get our foot in the door you know we were kids yeah you're 18 our our highest aspiration for the album was like let's um let's sell it to some like local label who who will, like, press 200 copies,

then we'll get, like, $5,000 maybe, and we could split it. And that would be awesome. Right. But then it worked out differently. Yeah, you got that money, baby. That's what I like. Oh, yeah.

Let's go, Cameron. That's what I like, baby. It had to be a little surreal, though, right? To be only 18 and be getting offers from, like, the label that blew up Nirvana and stuff like that. Yeah. Especially when your dad saying your songs suck. You're like, oh, who's right now?

You're like, fuck you, dad. I got a record deal. They suck. He liked some of them. We're kidding. They were giving you a hard time. Andy's got his own dad issues. I got my own dad. He's just projecting. I'm just projecting, but my dad always, whenever I'd made money, I was like, it wasn't enough money.

And I just had to keep on making more money. He's from L.A. They're different. Yeah, because I grew up, I'm in a band, too. I've been in a band for 15 years and our starts are completely different. You guys got a record deal early, and I got my first record deal at 35. But you got there. But I got there. So

what's your take on touring and stuff. Do you guys like it? Because I want to talk about, you have a solo record coming out too, right? Yeah, let's talk about that too. But yeah, what's your take? Do you like, do you like the grind of being on the road? Do you just want to make music? Like, what's,

what is like the the brainchild of how you want to approach geese for the next 10 years? What is the brainchild of how I want to approach geese for the next 10 years? I mean, I like being on the road. I think it's a

interesting way to live that I was not accustomed to when we started, you know, there's it's sort of, at least the way we do it right now, where you're in a van and you're driving and driving and driving

and there aren't many days off. It's sort of, it's incredibly glamorous peaks followed by disgusting sort of shitty valleys. Arrowing valleys. Yes, it's very extreme. You're always moving.

You're waking up early and you're staying up late and you're playing these shows. And, you know, everyone really sees it through the lens of the best part, which is the show, where you get this enormous ego boost and everyone's screaming and you feel awesome. And then you immediately go back and have diarrhea in the back room. From the shitty pizza. That's funny, man. Then go to a Super 8 and throw. up. And you don't even know why you threw up. You can't even, it could be three different

things. Yeah. Yeah. So I have come to, if not love it, I've come to accept it, I would say, in all of its greatness and terribleness. It usually, every tour usually ends up provoking some big change deep inside, I would say. It always makes me, strengthens my resolve in certain ways. say what this last tour strengthened in you my immune system definitely but also you know sort of my desire to go back and really write and devote myself to writing because I missed writing so much on that tour recently I felt like I had so many ideas and I was just I didn't know I was I was sort of constipated with them and so I was just like I'm just going to go back home and

just kill myself with work. Yeah, and how'd that work for you? Okay, actually. I'm tired, but this is one of those times where I actually followed through, I think, or I'm following through. Yeah, isn't it crazy?

You're so exhausted, and you want to, like, we always want to do what we can't do at the present moment. And then when you have the chance to actually do it, we kind of to get lazy and don't do it. So like, it's good that you kind of force yourself to actually do the things you want to do. So you don't feel like you're wasting time. I think that's the most important thing about this. Like, when you know you only have three days to write music, actually do the work and fucking punch it out because you're just going to regret it and then

be back on the road and then the road's going to feel miserable. Yeah, deadlines can be a good thing. You're definitely right. No, I mean, one of the strangest things about having this, like, my original idea was I was going to go to college and then maybe in like six, seven, eight years, like maybe I'd get a record deal eventually. And then it sort of fell into our lapse out of sheer luck really quickly. And I sort of anticipated that the rest of my life would be this euphoric sort of high where I would get to do what I want all the time. But the weird thing is even the things that you love involve some sort of discipline. and difficulty and you have to actually motivate yours you have to start and that's hard and that's

sort of the cruel reality of living is that everything's hard getting up yeah are you are you in love you have a girlfriend boyfriend what would you have a side thing i have a girlfriend and i am indeed in love yes oh so how hard is it to kind of balance that and right songs when you only have four days off. We're pretty independent people, me and my girlfriend. That's sort of why it works out. We love each other, but we also

when we're together, we're really together, and when we're apart, we're really apart. That's sort of the thing. That's important. Is she in the arts, too? Is she what? Is she like an artist too of some kind? Or? Also a musician?

So, she works on a bunch of stuff, yeah. Oh, cool. You love your bands, don't you? You really love your bands. If you really want to love your bands and you really love your bands, and you really love your bands, I want to support them the real way, head to volume.com and subscribe.

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I fucking didn't. It's actually been a huge. It's actually been a big pain in the ass for everybody at fault. I thought I was going to go in and take two months and do this vanity project and I ended up taking a whole fucking calendar. year. So now it's going to come out.

I've been told that it will most likely be a massive financial loss for every party involved. Must be a good record then. Yeah, I hope so. It's at least coming out. It's at least, you know, it reached 44 minutes in length. Well. Technically an album. Yeah.

So, you know, I'm happy with how things are turning out now. How do you pick between a song that goes on your solo record versus a song that goes to geese? Usually, it used to not be so obvious, but now it's pretty evident. I mean, like, I don't know exactly how to describe the difference, but usually with geese, it's like, you know, it's, it's rock and roll. It's sort of stupid at heart. and it's got that sort of thrust that it demands that sort of like

a horsepower that a band provides and then with the solo stuff I think it's more it's slightly I don't know a band would sort of kill it I think with a lot of the solo stuff

the only reason I did a solo album I was really concerned with the solo album not being diet geese because solo albums are usually fucking terrible versions of an existing Yeah, that's true. Sting. Yeah, fuck off, sting.

Fuck off, sting. Yeah. He definitely listens. Never gonna make a dime. Yeah. Englishman in New York bullshit. He loves this podcast. Be a New Yorker from New York, like my boy Cameron.

No, I hear that, man. So, so you're a pro. So how do you know? not make it feel like diet geese? Well, I didn't put drums on it, really. And I just played everything. I mean, a lot of the songs are very

slow and sort of lyrically focused. They just happen to this world that I really got into the past two years of just like these singer-songwriters that I had always thought were kind of corny. And they suddenly just

just started killing me their music like um i was just listening to a bunch of like leonard cohen and stuff like that yeah i just felt really i just felt like unstoppably the only way i can make a good geese record i feel is if i just feel like i have to make it you know everything else has to stop so i can do this right and i sort of have that feeling about a solo record so you know despite how logistically annoying it was for me to do it i i kind of had to and you're proud of it. I am, yeah. So what do you...

Clap to that, let's fucking go. So, be able to put out bullshit to put out bullshit. Yeah. I'm glad you're proud about. I really, that's the thing. I really did not want... I just feel like I fucking despise solo albums. And so I was really... It was hard to make one that I didn't hate.

Right. And how do you... Yeah, and how do you keep that mentality or something? And then you're like contradicting yourself, you're making a solo record, you know? Shit. It's sort of a thing. Um, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's very fascinating. And like, so what do you, what are the, what are the different themes versus how you're approaching the lyrics for your solo record versus the lyrics you write for geese?

Well, um, I, I, there's a renewed focus on lyrics, I think, for this solo record. I mean, um, I, I, I wrote lyrics before music, which I'd never really done before because, um, um, I, I, I, I, I wrote lyrics before. just of the joy of writing lyrics I think work and they're they're they just

have a different rhythm I guess I don't know they're sort of vomiting in a way that geese doesn't like with geese it's like the lyrics I feel should be like really solid and there and represent

melodies and hooks and be sort of of repetitive that should be like rock and roll type lyrics and then with this i felt sort of more liberated there's just more space for me to start going on and on and on and on which was cool do you feel like the lyrics on your solo album could like stand alone without the music more than your lyrics from yeah yeah probably like you could just read them yeah if you if you if you're a masochist yeah well i am yeah we are trust me we we live for that shit um no that's it's it's very fascinating how you approach because then you then it feels like two different things if you approach it the same way like you approach your real band or you're not

your real bank because this is real too but yeah your other band then it's kind of you're departmentalizing your brain into two different projects instead of like oh like then it becomes diet geese if it's just like kind of like the the leftover fucking the leftover shit from geese you know like i like this i like this mindset because that's gonna help you deep compartmentalize moving forward when you want to keep on doing new projects. Like, who knows? Do you want to be a director? Be a fucking director. Want to make a film? Make a fucking film.

I mean, like, the world is your oyster. The world is your goddamn oyster, Cameron. Don't let anyone tell you you only can play fucking geese. You can do whatever you want. Yeah. You got great hair. Got great hair. If you say so. We're just here hyping up, Cameron.

Hey, man. I had a question. So, when Emily became non-binary, what was that conversation like? Well, she just sort of went to, I just walked in one day and Emily was like, I don't think I'm a man. And I was just like, I fucking knew something was up. I knew it. Interesting. Ever since I was, we were kids, you know, because these things sort of manifest in different ways, you know, that are subtle.

What was it like when you're a kid? I didn't say, I didn't say I knew it to her face. Right, right. Of course. You weren't a dick. You didn't make it about me so much. But, you know, in my head, I was like, I knew. knew something. What did you see when you're a kid that you were starting to realize?

Well, it's just subtle, you know, like M has always been a really, just strongly individualistic, you know, just unique from other people. And in the way that I would sort of get swept into these sort of boy bonding, you know, faux masculine sort of. activities, I think M would always sort of float away from that stuff or not really connect to it or shy away from it or just want to establish herself outside of those things. Interesting. And that's maybe not a totally holistic way of describing it. It was a lot of, you know, what goes into someone's identity that is shown on the outside.

That's a very, you know, intricate sort of question and process and whatever. But basically, it was pretty seamless because M didn't really change. It was only that she got more confident in herself. That was the only change that happened. Like, she got more talkative. She got more sure. you know that that that was it everything else was already there

you know right that's awesome yeah what have you learned about her transition that made you feel like you could be a better person in your brain what'd you learn from the experience that kind of help you grow hmm well I didn't see much room for improvement so I was just sort of just a great fucking person

hell yeah dude Cameron, I fucking like you, dude. It's kind of fun to have a songwriter here with some balls, you know? Yeah, you finally songwriter with some balls in this. That's week they're all just like doing PR-M-PR answers. Well, look, look, look, it's a good question. I mean, I've seen, I mean, it's a lot about, I feel lucky to be able to see such a.

you know subtle and even you know topical sort of thing happening before my eyes with someone who I know in love you know it very much sort of opens your eyes to the process in a way that reading you know an article on the internet doesn't yeah and what you sort of realize about it I feel like it gets you know transitioning is sort of you know portrayed as this thing where it's this change you know people decide to change themselves completely from one thing to another right and it's not you know with them it's not like that it's more of a becoming in any way that a child becomes an adult, you know, and their old sort of ways, like a bloom, mature and, and establish themselves into a full person. That's what's happening with M, only who she is is, you know,

non-binary or a sort of feminine spirit. And so as she's become closer to that, and as she's, you know, not, because as when you're a kid, you know, you can sometimes really quash those parts yourself that don't fit in with other people, even if they're, you know, unique or good, really. And that's what she is choosing not to do by transitioning. You know, she's choosing not to quash that inner sort of desire and that personality that who makes her who she is. It's just becoming. It's not really a change.

A transition seems almost like a misleading term. Right. That's why boomers need to get over this bullshit. boomers have this fucking idea like who cares let someone blossom into whoever they want to fucking blossom into like very healthy actually it's healthy

you explained it exactly how it should be explained it's hard I don't understand why boomers don't understand there's people are younger than that are still figuring it out too to be yeah there's a lot of noise man like this is a we're in just the environment where everyone

is so desperate for divisive things as they can use their advantage that this is just getting beaten to death this topic which is just and you know you hear like so strange you know there's a lot of people don't know a trans person

but like when I'm sitting next to M and like the car like we were driving through like some place in Omaha and somebody comes over the radio and it's just like trans these trannies are fucking rapists you know They just like screw into the radio. It just sort of, I've never really, you know, being such a, you know,

default privileged sort of person of just straight and white and fucking, et cetera, you know, relatively wealthy and all that stuff. You know, I've never really, really seen all that stuff for exactly how insane it is until that. I was just like, wow, this is pure. Somewhere along the way, I got tricked into thinking, you know, that there was any merit to any of this at any point. Yeah, exactly. And it really is a tool that people use.

Exactly. Get what they want. It's really sinister. A lot of times it's a distraction so they can do something else, you know, even more sinister, you know, like just this. It's just static noise. Yeah, it's static noise. Yeah.

What other things are static noise in your brain, Cameron? You're smart, dude. Yeah, you're smart. There's not a lot going on up here. here, guys. You got it all out of my album. Yeah, you're half a man with just getting on the road and then having to talk with us, fucking idiots soon.

Yeah, I'm half a man. You get about a fifth of me today. Yeah, it's pretty good. Hello, everyone. It's Adi Frasco, your local drunk. We're here to support Gardenista. Gardinista, our sponsors, so I've been sub-intuned this from Jameson because I've, I like the idea that there's ginger, lime juice, and green herbs in this.

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Is there any beef between you and Goose? What's the deal? Is it just fan made up? Are you just sick of people asking about it? Are you just sick of people asking about it? No beef. No beef. I think it's funny. I think it's funny, too. is everyone asks

I kind of wish we weren't associated by that but it is what it is I hope they're okay with it I bear no ill will let it be no at least you're both good bands yeah and you guys are so different people are just so annoying this is one thing about the jam scene it's very fucking annoying

they just like kind of pick on people who aren't their favorite fucking band yeah exactly you know it's not really like that with indie scene it's not really like that in the rock scene just in the fucking jam scene couple of these nerds start fucking chirping about some bullshit

and like let's get over hippies are only nice on paper hippies are only because why because hippies are nice people pretend to be mean and rockers are mean people or nice people pretending no wait

there are mean people pretend to be nice and rockers are nice people pretending to be mean it's 100% so which one are you Cameron I think I'm a mean person full step. Hell yeah.

That means you're probably nice. Yeah, actually you're probably a really nice guy. Did you like growing up in New York? Where'd you grow up? Like, Upper East, Lower East? Like, where'd you live? I grew up in Park Slope. Oh, Brooklyn.

Isolated from any seediness or culture in New York. You know, there's a lot of brownstones and strollers and places to buy cream cheese. are your friends jealous to you that you're in a rock band like your artist friends or you guys have a good relationship i mean if they are everyone's hiding it pretty well i mean i think it's um no most of my friends are are very supportive i would say of um what's going on i mean they've known i've been doing this through high school and so everyone was like well he's probably going to

keep doing that. He has no choice. And they're all still young enough that they have their whole life in front of them and they still think they might make it too, you know? True. But I don't know. That's the difference between New York and LA.

New York people respect the hustle. L.A. people get jealous of the hustle. Very jealous. I've noticed that with your friends. A lot of my L.A. friends are just shit talking. But your friends are also actors and they're just naturally more jealous than musicians, I think.

That's true. Yeah. What's your take on that? On what? L.A. hustlers? No, actors versus musicians. the mind state. What, in like a fight?

I think we could take them. Hell yeah, dude. That's what I like it. Bang kids over theater kids. All right, let's get this man back, go home, get his things going. Cameron, thanks for being on the show, bro.

You're a really good dude. And I'm just, I really love your band, and you have a fucking killer voice, and I love that you're doing the solo project. Fuck it. Do whatever the hell you want. I listen for like an hour last night. You want to go on a 10-year hiatus and go to fucking Bermuda.

Fucking do it, buddy. deserve whatever you want to do fuck it don't let these haters get you down I just quote it I don't think they have a lot of haters it doesn't seem like there's

no it seems like they have a lot of do you have haters yeah yeah oh good what are they shit on you about um they they shit on us about you know

the music primarily and the you know vibe there's some there's interesting some people who are not takers. I understand,

you know, it's, it's not always likable some of these songs, you know. So those guys to get out of their mother's basement,

stop beating off in socks, okay? And stop, let artists be artists and let you do whatever the fuck. One cool thing is they have a very wide age range in their fan base, too.

Yeah. I mean, this guy's voice is fucking crazy. You got a crazy-ass voice, dude, you're a really good vocalist. Yeah. And they're a good songwriter,

bro. The whole bit, I'm stoked about your band. I'm a fan. Yeah. My last question, and I'll let you go, is when it's all said and done, oh, by the way, before you that, listen to Cameron's solo record. I know we talked about a geese, but...

What's it called? What's it called? Called heavy metal. Let's fucking go. Listen to heavy metal. No drums. No drums. All just whatever's in his thoughts.

It's like verbal vomit this record. But good. But good, good verbal vomit. Some people have verbal vomit and they become racist. This isn't Cameron. This is a different type of verbal vomit. Cameron, so when it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? Probably my fucking big-ass shoulders and my, you know, enormous stature and my...

Hell yeah. I bet you're going to say... Joe Rogan podcast. My aroma. Yo, chill, Rogan, chill. Well, thank you, Joe. It's been a great thing. Hey, buddy.

Have a great day. Keep rocking. And we're ruined for you. all this of working and stuff. Make sure you drink water and get some sleep. Yeah, thanks guys. Peace. Have a good one. Later, brother. Hey, everybody. It's Nick. You just listened to another

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