Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - Gym Etiquette, Existential Dread & Why Most Bands Fail w/ Andy Frasci, Nick, and Neal.

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

Andy Frasco and the crew dive into one of those episodes that somehow starts with gym etiquette and ends with a full-on reality check about life, music, and why people need to stop waiting around. From awkward gym interactions to debates about philosophy, retirement, and whether anyone actually knows how to "live in the moment," this one goes everywhere. Nick Gerlach brings the heat with some brutally honest takes on musicians, success, and why complaining might be the biggest thing holding people back. There's also talk about touring, TV pilots, Sundance moving to Boulder, and the changing music scene. It's funny, chaotic, a little unhinged, and surprisingly real. If you've ever questioned your career, your habits, or just people in general, this episode hits.

Live Nation, did you see all that shit? They just don't get them. Lawsuit. They want it, right? No, they got, they basically got the version of pardoned. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Trump was like, here you go, you can just, you know what, you're fine. Don't even bother with this trial anymore.

Meanwhile, the guys are literally on, on recording, saying, like, yeah, like, saying, like, we'll just take all of their money to fuck them anyway. Like, that's literally what they said. What is? Yeah. So right now, we have to find the balance of our worth and also produce. and also project how much we think people are going to pay for our shit and find that sweet spot, which usually fucking fails.

You know, why do we really need a ticketing service? To get people tickets. And we're live. Andy Frasco is a world saving podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. How's your heads? How's your mind? You're looking good.

I'm telling you, whoever's dressing you. Me. I don't believe that. Who would dress me? Julie. He doesn't get to dress me. to see me naked for that. We're not married.

Nick Gerlock's on the show today and our producer. Our producers, finally our producer. He showed up only 20 minutes late today, so we'll take that as a win. Was there an established time? There was, Neil. Oh, I've never seen that. I've never heard that. This is my first hearing of you.

We haven't any of those. Always something with this guy, isn't it? From Doe Pod, totally a Dome Pod. Welcome back. We're still in Dopod. They're formerly, I think. Welcome back from Indonesia. Where the hell you?

Arvada. Arvada. How's Arvada, Neil? It's the best, man. You love it? No, I get to walk around to like old town, you know, charm, and then retail insanity. I have Home Depot and Lowe's and I have Costco and Sam's Club. Lowe's is liberal home depot, right?

Why do they need so many of those fucking big-ass super stores there in Arvada? Not everybody has a brand-new bachelor pad, you know, some people need to work on their own. What the fuck? My husband's built in like 1945, so I got to improve it. You're going to improve it at a Costco and the Sam's Club? Yeah. Loz in the home deal.

We have a nice small pantry, which you can't even fit Costco games. I mean, I do love Costco, but how much mayonnaise do you really fucking do? Well, you don't have kids or a wife or anything. I know, but how much? How much mayonnaise does a family need that much? A lot of mayonnaise, dude. Really? White people will be eating their mayonnaise, man.

I think about this. People are afraid to live now. Ooh, deep. That's true. They're all waiting for their job to give them retirement. They're all waiting for like the end of the day, you know, to go finally go to the gym. I do have a specific friend from home that's like really planning for his retirement and has it all set up and he's done a very everything the right way. And I'm just like, God, you're going to die when you're the day before you retire, aren't you?

There's a teacher. One of my college professors died the day after he retired. Right. Isn't that crazy? Was he happy in his teaching job? I don't know. He taught philosophy. That's not even a real job.

He's probably fine. It's basically being, if you teach philosophy, you're unemployed. Jesus Christ. That's not a real thing. Most of philosophy is like, we go to philosophy class and it's like common sense, basically. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Do you think musicians is a real? Yeah, because we have a skill. Philosophy's not a skill. What are they just learning about other people's skills? They just write fucking 800-page books on like common sense. it's like all we make concept records if you can't sense yeah but at least it's a product at least it's like fun you can't dance to philosophy book that's true you can do cocaine to it probably I guess

definitely that's like what most people are thinking that they're doing when they're doing cocaine is philosophizing with each other you ever like pull out of like a nietzchee book at 4 a.m. at the bros party in the kitchen no you know everyone's all cooked down you pull out like uh i kind of hate every philosopher everyone's got to be here now book that's what that book is for. Yeah, everyone's got the B here now. The big plans of the cocaine, everyone around the fucking kitchen table.

Yeah, just philosophy is just kind of a bull. If you meet someone that said they major in philosophy, don't take them seriously as a person. You know what I realized today? So I subscribed to a gym or whatever, what do you call it? Yeah. Enrolled into a gym. And it's no, you subscribed.

It's a monthly payment. And I realized a lot of the people who go to the gym are kind of the worst. Yeah, because they're like, yeah, but also, I don't know. There's like two sides of that. They are healthier. They're healthier, but they're kind of bro-y.

Yeah, they're filling a very, very vapid void in their life, which is they have no personality. There's some cool. You hardly meet a boring fat person. They're usually pretty funny or like they fall down or, you know what I mean? There's not that many boring fatties. I'm saying that it's a fat person. But the boring ones don't go outside so you don't meet them.

Fair enough. That's true. But I'm just saying that as a fat person. I might be stereotyping because it was my first time of the gym in six years. I was like, I was walking around. everyone was just like really into themselves like looking themselves in the mirror and just like pump an iron

and like then you try to have a conversation with them like hey man what's up how's it going you're not supposed to talk to people yeah you definitely don't talk to people no way like dudes no that's everybody's there I mean I get like not doing it to like an opposite sex oh you're the weird guy

you're the weird guy then I'm the weird guy I just want to get to know people everybody knows you haven't been there in six years right away look at myself in the mirror I'm not supposed to talk to other people at the gym it's almost like you're all there by yourself it's funny you said that

they are looking at themselves in the mirror and stuff. Yeah, that's the point. To make sure reform is right. I'm about community. There's, there are different gyms for that. It's nothing to do with community. What do you mean?

Go hoop if you're going to want community. You go get in a fucking. Plus you went to lifetime fitness. I'm like, this is sick, dude. We're working now. We're getting some things. Now they don't care about you at all. Yeah.

I was in the sauna. Not a word was said. We, yes. Not a word was said. That's the least communication place of all time. Nobody talks in here. What about Tony? Prano, that's when they're making all those drug deals.

That's different when you go to intentionally have a secret meeting in the sauna. That's TV. I think it's like, you know, it's like, yo, what's up? What do you do? Just keep trying the sauna convoes. No, I'm not. Now you guys fucking, you've squashed that.

Well, we're just clearing it up for you so that you don't embarrass yourself. He's going to embarrass themselves. So really, you can't have, there's no gym etiquette to like meet some friends. Jim etiquette is don't talk to anybody. Get your head down, fucking go to. dude sweating out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It depends on the gym. It depends on the gym. You went to Lifetime Fitness. I don't think is going to be the one where you make friends. You know, planet fitness, maybe, but still probably not. No. No, I think everyone just puts her head down and goes to work. Yeah, that's the point.

Dope Pod would go to the gym together sometimes? Yeah, what would you do? I just will never forget I was on the Stairmaster. Planet Fitness? You guys all get the plans. We went to a, I think we went to L.A. Fitness. It was near Ellis House or something. And this guy walked right up to me and he just goes,

your hair rocks dude we were like we're out of here this is not the gym for us do you ever been in the gym yeah I have a plane of fitness I haven't gone in a while I was going for a while and then I fell off and once you don't go once you never go again

I feel that's kind of how it goes you gotta keep it going it's like the opposite of drugs it's like the opposite of relapsing it's where like if you quit if you quit like drinking for a long time you drink once and you start drinking a lot but like with a gym if you stop going once you just won't go again

yeah like I took the spin class and there's like a lot of women in there you just gotta put your head down. Like I'm not gonna talk to women for it with women but like a bro? That I'm like right next to the treadmill with. Why do you feel like it's different? What? Why do you feel like it's different? It is different for sure. I don't want to feel like they're, I'm like sexualizing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's just like I want to meet some friends. I can fucking learn how to fucking hit a weight. It's definitely weird to talk to a girl. Yeah. Do you go to the, like, does meetup still a thing? Meetup.com is anything still? I don't know. You can probably find Jimbros that want to meet gym bros there. I'm going to unsubscribe. It's done. No way too expensive. No friends in the gym.

It's really expensive. Come join us at Planet Fitness. We'll go together as boys. But it's so nice. It's pretty nice. Yeah. I'll go with you. Let's go.

Lifetime Planet is like a joke compared to Lifetime Fitness. Yeah. But we could go. I'll go. I can bring you. I have a pass that brings up. Yeah.

I kind of want to, Because I just work out. I just run and shit. You know, I'm sweating. I don't want to get bulky. I just want to lose weight. I want to tighten it up. Like knocked up.

Just tighten it up. I want to talk about your TV show you're going to do. Okay. Are you scared? Yes. Is it a cartoon? I guess let's talk about it. Is this that one thing that you were talking about like a year ago?

Is this that or is that or is it different? No, this came out of nowhere. Okay. Is it a cartoon? I can't give out too many details because I'm on NDA. But is it a cartoon or real? It's real. Okay.

this is why I'm working out. Yeah, you don't want to be fat on TV. I don't want to look fat on TV. Is it Golden Boys? What, golden boys? The camera. Yeah, it's like, da-na. No, they set this people, I can't say names, sent me a pilot for the lead to be the lead of this TV show.

The camera adds 30 pounds. I know. I'm just kidding. That's why I'm like, but I'm already too late to the game. I'm shooting in five days. I'm like trying to do, I'm trying to run as fast as I can doing all this shit. Tell them they can only shoot you from the shoulder up the whole time. Well, it's like a lot of, they've already auditioned 13 people to be the lead for this thing.

They came to my show in New Year's Eve in Brooklyn Bull when I was dancing with Connor. Connor got me the gig. Maybe you owe Connor money. If I get the lead, if I get, we get funding for the whole season. Don't. I will, I will. He's listening. Don't promise anything.

I will promise Connor. So he could watch one of the tapings. That'd be fun. But it's nerve-wracking. So I've never read script like this. You can barely read in general. Yeah. And I'm like, you okay.

So they know, like, we've seen you. We've seen your show a lot. You get comfortable when you first say, ladies and gentlemen. So they watch every show. So like, I want you to just be comfortable with the VO. There's a lot of VO for the show. So I'm like the voiceover and then it goes into the action scene. and then I got a couple scenes where I got to act and shit.

The VO stuff I can knock out because I do this podcast all the time. Vio's easy. It's also way easier. Vio is voiceover. Yeah. The acting stuff was a little nervous. So I was doing my audition or like I already got the gig, but then I had to with the writer. And then.

It's for a pilot, right? It's a pilot, but it's funded. Yeah, yeah, but a pilot, yeah. It's not like one season's coming out next year or something. No, they do the, they film the pilot. And then if try to sell it. They try to sell it. But it's isn't looking pretty good.

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So head over to volume.com slash Andy Frasco and subscribe. Support you guys. Maybe I'll even pay Nick more. You never know. So I did the audition and I thought I was like, I'm butchering this.

I heard you doing the audition. And they're laughing and vibe in. I'm like, oh, fuck. Maybe you don't need to. to act maybe just be yourself that's what they said like you don't over think this no you shouldn't try to this this character was based kind of on you they're all been fans of my show and you're not really an act just be yourself that's awesome that's awesome yeah so and i've never done anything like this one flying to connecticut on sunday we shoot monday and tuesday classic hollywood location new haven

connecticut dude it's in new haven or harford or something it's harford it's harford it's harford connecticut right by ESPN shout out to goose um and then yeah so i'm I'm filming it. And I'm like, they keep on, like, read, adjusting the lines of the pilot and stuff. And I kind of have to get a little comfortable. But I can't really say what this script's about. But it's a familiar. It's a familiar.

It's crazy because it is, it's like an over fabrication of kind of what I do already. Oh, I thought it was a political drama thriller. You're playing. It's like a. It's like departed. They have you playing Net and Yacht. Yeah, exactly. They have him playing BB, like young BB.

It's an L.A. Jew. Yeah. Be like hippie, Bebe before he gets all, like, you know, real political. He lived in America a time when he was younger. Really? Yeah. It's kind of shady. Shit's going down over there.

Yeah, oh, yeah. But should I be nervous? I'm kind of nervous. Is that okay to be nervous? There's a healthy amount of nervous. No, don't be nervous. You have some new nerves happening, but it's not like, you have nothing to be like, worried about.

No, and it's like, I already have a career. So, like, if I don't, if I fuck it up, then, or if they don't like it. I mean, most TV shows, you'll look at it like a restaurant. It's probably going to fail anyway. Yeah. Might as well just try. And they're paying me to fly me out there and test out lines. Yeah, and you're going out there anyway, right?

Yeah, and I get, you know, two nights of two nights in beautiful Hartford, Connecticut. I don't know. What's they even fucking do in Hartford? There's some pizza, man. And pizza. That's New Haven. That's New Haven. That's New Haven's the pizza.

New Haven's the pizza New Haven is the one that everybody freaks out about it But who gets the shit I hate the pizza wars They fucking annoy the shit out of it So what's the difference Everybody thinks they have the best pizza

It's like all pizza is pretty good You fucking idiots Like there's not like bad pizza Even in Colorado I mean like I get it It's way different But everyone's like Colorado Denver Has no good pizza

And I'm like cool Go home I got to tell I mean When did pizza Become this fucking Hipster Like 10 years ago

Fucking expensive thing The white supremacy of Connecticut brother the full achievement of that have you been a cart driver in Denver no I got a clam pizza some oysters

two glasses of wine 150 dollars that's I told you I'd not to go there I'm just kidding it's pretty good it's just not my thing the pizza's not my style I don't like boozy pizza

clam pizza I mean no no oysters on the side I had clam pizza on it oh okay like fried clams No, right? Like, boiled?

That's like so New Jersey. I like clams. That sounds gross kind of. I don't know. I don't really like it. It's creamy. But it didn't need to happen. But when did pizza become like a luxury thing?

Even like other pizzas are like 40 bucks now. Dude, I mean, you get like artisan parogis, which is like poor people food. You get like two for $17 somewhere. It's like this was made of the scraps from rich people. Well, this is the problem with inflation. Okay, here we go. this is why our music scene's dying.

Economist Andy Fresco. This is why our music scene is dying. It's because we're overcharging. This is why I respect John Bonjourner. He's like, he's got that really viral band now. You know that band with the noses and the mask? What are they called? What are they called?

It's a French name. We're getting them on the show. Are they good? They're awesome. It's cool. But he's saying too, he could fucking have big charged super amount of money. we can't do that we have to cap it at something that's fair that's why john it's always like

even when we're setting up these big ass tours like three bands kitchen dwellers us blah blah pigeons frasca whatever you still have to cap it at a certain price yeah yeah so because inflation you can't with how much service charges are and stuff and how much fucking service charges take ticket service charges takes 20 extra bucks live nation just did you see all that shit They just don't get them. They want it, right? No, they got, they basically got the version of pardoned. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. You can just, you know what, you're fine. Don't even bother with this trial anymore. Meanwhile, the guys are literally on, on recording saying, like, yeah, like, saying, like, we'll just take all of their money to fuck them anyway. Like, that's literally what they said. What is? Yeah.

So right now, we have to find the balance of our worth and also project how much we think people are going to pay for our shit and find that sweet spot, which usually fucking fails. You know, why do we really need a ticketing service? To get people tickets. Yeah, but that sounds like some mafia shit. Oh, yeah, you're right. I mean, like, in theory, like it's like, yeah, I get that you could do it yourself, but it is kind of, I mean, if they weren't as, I don't know.

Well, this is the problem why independent venues. Actually, it's Ticketmaster is the ticking service. Live Nation's the promoting side. But they own both sides. They're in bed together. Yeah. Well, and their argument is that no one's buying boo, because they all own the venues,

no one's buying booze. So the only way they profit is... Well, that's a whole other thing that's pissing me off. Yeah, the only way the profit is through dynamic surge pricing. People aren't drinking enough. A lot of people don't know that bands make the surge profit, surge money. Yeah.

What do you mean we make the surge money? It's part of the deal. It goes through the musician. It's supposed to go to the musician. Yeah. Depends if you do a rev-shared deal or a guarantee. If you take the guarantee thinking you're not going to pack out the room, I don't think you get the search. I don't think they should even have that.

It's not Uber. I don't know. I don't know. I think that's kind of lame, but also that's how you get higher guarantees. Yeah. Isn't that fascinating? I don't understand the surge thing. How do you get it?

What do you mean? You never heard of this? If people are like really going to buy that ticket or if it's a last minute surge, It's like demand. Don't charge, don't charge for that, way more for that. It's like Uber when there's a lot. Sure, sure. I understand that, but how do you work that into a deal ahead of time?

You just, what do you mean? Surz clause? Do you think they surge cocaine? Yeah, definitely. They search everything. Everything has surge pricing. Yes. Grocery stores.

Pizza does not have serious stuff. What's the most you ever paid for cocaine? The most. 80 bucks a gram? Yeah, probably right. 100 bucks a gram? No, I don't think I've ever paid that much. I paid a hundred bucks a gram.

Where were you? L.A. Or Park City, Utah. It's Sundance Film Festival. Oh, yeah. That's the beauty. Utah. Utah, Surge Press.

Speaking of Sundance film festival, it's no longer in Sundance. It's moving to Boulder next year. I know. I wonder, it's going to be really funny. All the, because we played all the after parties in Park City. The after parties in Boulder are going to be real heady. You know, like all the producer of movie parties are now going to have like Grateful Shred. I know.

And fucking, you know, the Coltad and. Why, Boulder? They'll have photon. I wonder why they're having in Boulder. Dude, that's... That got me a fucking agent. Yeah. Sundance Film Festival,

it... The great thing about this, I'm not sure how it's going to be with Boulder, but when I played Sundance in Park City, there was no competition. I had three... There was three other bands doing every party. So, we met every producer.

I got... That's how I got the fucking Gary Goldman thing. And, like, that's how I got Todd Glass. I was cool. I want to play some shit out of it. So I'm very curious to see... How many bands should take advantage of, like, Neil, you have, you guys have to play that. I know it's got to figure out how to get in.

It's like in this, it's like this time of year. It's the same guys who do Roots Music Fest that are doing it. That's my boys. You should kind of start putting the plug in their ear now. It's in like December every year, I think, right? Yeah, January. Yeah, yeah, it's when it's cold out. It's like before the Oscars, but not.

Why are they doing when it's cold? Whatever. Because it's like a winter festival. Like a ski town. And it's like film, so they're not outside. Yeah. inside watching film. Yeah.

But if I were you, get on that now. Because that's how you fucking, you know, a lot of Denver bands too. Like, you gotta go to Boulder, though.

Ugh. I know. Guys, I'm from there. No, it sucks now. Yeah, but you're from.

Tell me, tell me, when was Boulder cool? 10 years ago? Until I left. Was Boulder ever cool? It was cool as fuck, man.

Did we walk up? Give us some examples. So the hill, you know, which is across the street from the university where the fox is, all this.

Yeah. He used to walk up and down that sidewalk, and just get offered drugs all day long. There was an arcade right up the street from the Fox, and then there were three other venues, like smaller venues than the Fox. So there's actually a vibrant music scene.

It was all punk rock and underground raves and just super fun shit. And it was just great. Like I played all my metal bands, played all those spots, and it was super fun. And then once the arcade went down and became like an Abercrombie or something

and like the original Fatty Jays pizza went down, it just became all these bougie. new age college stores and now it's just shops and this fucking Google had like a office up there's like a lot of tech people known like I said like I've been saying for years whenever tech people go somewhere that place sucks now the moment that your town has a bumper sticker well Denver all the tech guys are weird

does it sound a lot of them live in Boulder what do you say I said the moment that your town has a keep this town weird bumper sticker yeah over that's exactly funny all these places have that none of them are that weird Austin is not weird at all yeah neither is port in Portland a little, I guess. I like Charlottesville.

That's pretty weird. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty weird that one day. Oh, Jesus. Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. It was weird for everybody. Not me. I know.

You're like, re-rude them on. A little bit. You're dressed the part right now. Sorry, because I'm free speech. Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. Sorry for being free speech. Is this a scene dying? No, I don't think, no, I think that...

Is Denver dying? No, I think it's more like people just want to go see real bands so they're booking those less and they're just having the actual bands come through because it's like more of a thing because those shows are popping off also those like real band shows I don't know not according to the promoters who freak out well yeah but the two weeks before it's like they have a alert that goes off when you have 30 tickets sold then they send you the email that says only 30 tickets have been sold it's like dude we're two months out it's also kind of we never blame the bands for any of this which is there's a lot of bands that aren't

that good that people don't care about and like they're like blame the industry and it's like maybe you're just not that good and nobody likes you yeah we have to like i'm kind of sick of like everybody like which i'm a musician so like i can say this but people they get a musician sometimes get too much of a pass on like on the industry failing them it's like some of you guys aren't good or compelling or entertaining you know what i mean yeah which is mean to say i'm not calling out anyone specifically most of these bands are people you haven't heard of but like they're complaining about the industry but it's also like you're not good so it's like at one point do we like you can't blame the industry if like you it's like if i made the shittiest burger of all the if i made

just a bad burger and i tried to start a fast food restaurant would you blame the fast food food industry because no one likes your food no but you have to make a good burger but like i just and i'm not saying like most there are bands that are getting fucked but it's like at the same time there's a lot of bad bands complaining that they can't make any money but it's also like you're not good girl luck 2026 he's going to clean the streets am i wrong he's going to clean the street it's a solid solid and i'm a musician i'm say the calls come from inside the house here i'm a lot of yeah like and i'm not saying this isn't even

anyone specific like no one we are like it's already successful mostly these are like bands coming up it's like it's kind of a gen z thing like just because you want to do something doesn't mean the world owes you this yeah a lot of people ask me to sit in and stuff i'm very selective about it yeah i don't want to say they're not good i'm just saying

but a lot of bans i just there's like a lot of tv shows aren't good a lot of bands aren't good a lot of movies aren't good a lot of restaurants aren't good so there's too much of everything isn't that good actually. So there's too much of mediocre. There's just way too much media. Yes. There's like supply. It's just like supply and demand. They're saying that too many

bands have gotten past the pilot stage. Or they're like bitching because they're still in the pilot stage and they can't get out of it. But it's like it's there's a reason you can't get out of it. Yeah, you're still a pilot. You're just not that good. Maybe if you realize that and either got better or just quit, it'd be better for everybody else. Or do a different way. You just want them to quit. I don't care if they quit.

I don't care if they quit, but just don't complain. I just, I just, I'm not in a musician complaint. Because also you're trying to live someone's dream life While some guy's like a fucking coal miner And he's like And you're like mad because you can't have a dream life You know what I'm saying? Well yeah well that goes

Have a little self-awareness about what you're trying to do Also I wish you do the best Just fucking shit it on these kids For fucking five minutes But I hope you like When I was 25 and I sucked I didn't complain I got I just got better and gotten better bands and did better

I wasn't good when I was 23 Right But I didn't complain either What do you think it's like this era of I don't like to say like But I wish them the best like I said All the best to you guys But you're not good

And you should get better You know what I mean I don't care if you don't get good Just don't complain That's I agree I don't like musicians I agree

You're complaining about not having a dream life Are you complaining about musicians We're not working That's fine You're allowed to complain about complainers Don't do that. Don't do the Facebook thing. Some people do them Facebooks when you complain about complainers. I agree. I think the people who don't want to do the work and they just want someone to give it to them and they don't fucking go out and tour and they don't go out and do the shit.

And they're not good and they're not entertaining and they're like they could be replaced. There's just a lot of interchangeable bands out there. You get what I'm saying? Right. Like this band could be anybody. You're not unique. And it's like and then you see them complaining along. when you think about some single mom in West Virginia

reading their post about how they can't fucking, you know what I mean? And you see like a single mom on fucking welfare? Yeah, she's like, I'm on EBT and you're complaining about not how living a dream life. That's the whitest shit I've ever heard of my life. Yeah. Sometimes I feel bad when I'm like doing my Monday motivations

from Mexico. I'm like, hey guys, follow your dreams. I'm like, damn, I kind of sound like these. I kind of sound like the people I'm against. It'd be one thing if the first Monday motivation you ever did was from Mexico, but you've been doing them for a long time. Yeah. And then, you know,

also, Mexico's pretty dangerous right now. What if you got killed during a Monday morning motivation? Oh my God, I tell you, that's your Franklin Kirk. What's that guy's name? Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk, Franklin. Where did you get Franklin from? That TV show Franklin with the turtle.

The Canadian Children's show? And how did that... You've been watching that? I don't know. There's a lot of means with the Franklin Yeah, yeah, they're funny memes. They're funny memes. I think it's a book, actually. Franklin, the best one is,

you're different than all the rest, and Franklin's trying to put his pants on? Yeah, it's like the bands we're talking about. They're not different, you know what I'm saying? They're trying to put their pants on, and they're complaining that they don't have better pants. But you can't even get your fucking pants on right now that you have on. But we need to be up.

We need to give them some motivation to keep putting on their pants. That's what I'm saying. Like, just keep trying at that, but don't complain. Just try instead. Put all the energy. Put all the energy. energy you put into bitching and complaining and put it into like practicing or trying to be unique in some way. I didn't start bitching until I got successful. I know. Really? There's no, I don't

believe that. I swear. You didn't complain in 2014? No, I put my head down. Actually, I kind of, now that I think about it. I loved it. I loved the fucking grind. Maybe you prefer being broke. I think so. I loved the grind. I loved being in that fucking van in 2014, getting that Taco Bell. sponsorship. There was a freedom. Or getting that Chipotle sponsorship. There is a freedom to being unsuccessful. That's very true. I 100%. It's the, it's, um,

it's what Langhorne Slim said, the expectations. Yeah. Once you get successful, then you're expected to stay successful. Yeah, exactly. And also like there's everything, it's like kind of like I equate it to I'm a Cleveland Browns fan, right? Right. And people are always like, what's it like being a doesn't it suck being a Cleveland Browns fan? I'm like,

okay, yeah, they've been bad forever. But we won one playoff game in 2021. and it felt like we won six Super Bowls. And it's kind of like the same thing as being a bit like a shitty like unsuccessful band, which I've been in multiple. It's the same shit. We can't look at the outcome. This is why people are talking shit because they don't enjoy the fucking process.

It's also all relative. I fucking love grinding my teeth in those rooms and having 10 people there. I'm like, all right, I got some work to do. That's fun though. Yeah. And it's like every win, even like the most microscopic win feels like a much better win. Dude, when a bartender let us sleep at the house, that fucking rule. Yeah, it's like, yeah, or like in baseball.

If I made love with the chef or the cook. Okay. That ruled. Chef or the cook. Is that the same thing, basically? But at a shitty bar. Never any waitresses, huh? I have a ton of waitresses.

No, no shit. No shit. Andy Frabacca's bank's ton of waitresses? Hold on. I put that in my note. Shut the fuck up, Nick. My sister bought a house in San Francisco. Are you jealous?

I relate to, oh, yeah. Is it expensive? I don't know. She's a, probably. Her and her, she's a lesbian. I love waitresses. Her and her girlfriend are pretty, make pretty good money. I love bartenders and I love waitresses.

They're the bad. I love people who work in the service industry. They're just, they're really nice people. They know how to talk to people. They know how to drink. They know how to have a good time without ruining anything. They're like professional alcoholics. That's why I like trivia night.

Like half of the people there are at service. Yeah. They know how to drink. They know how to tip. they know how to be considerate to people. They'll buy you a drink and it's not weird. They're not looking for a drink back. That's my biggest pet people.

People are fucking rude to service people. Like, fuck you. It's actually a very good, like, it's like a indicator of like, it's like a check engine light for a limit of test. Yeah. My dad's rude to that fucking service people. That's a little different. Boomers weren't raised the same.

I get so piss him when he's like that. He's like trying to be funny. I'm like, you're not fucking funny. Oh, dude. Boomers kind of see like, they kind of see them more of the help than we do. we were raised a little better when it comes to service industry people. But that is the thing with boomers. They, like, definitely, like, are, like, see them as, like, their servants.

What do you circ- What are you? The help. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, though? Like, they do. They think it's the help. Mm-hmm. And, like, yeah, the dad, like, the boomer dad's always like, oh, didn't claim my plate.

Like, stupid jokes. They've heard a thousand times. Just shut up. She's trying to fucking get off work and give her money so she can go, whatever. Yeah, or when servers say, when you eat the whole thing. I don't like that either when service saying. Somebody was hungry. Oh, yeah.

Or like... Want me to box that for you? Yeah. Yeah, I don't like a corn syrup. It wasn't good. What? That didn't look. Yeah.

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I mean, they destroyed the economy. I read a book about it, actually, with graphs and everything. You did? What's the main key points? Basically, the boomers are the most selfish generation in the history of mankind, and they're the first generation to leave it. You got to be gentle because our fan base is mostly booners. But our fan base, but this isn't all boomers.

This is like boomers at large. Okay. Let's explain. I start talking about Neil. No, I was kidding. He's talking a lot. He's talking a lot. No, anyway, so.

For being the third guy, he's really talking a lot. I feel like I have to, I feel like I have to, uh, I have to, uh, I have to, like, talk, like, have to get him involved because he's staring waiting to talk. Don't anymore. Don't. Okay. Guys, get in the comments on Instagram, be like, why is that third guy talking too much? Anyway, so, like, the boomers are, but, okay, when I talk about boomers, you have to, like, think of this as, like, I'm talking about the American government. I'm not talking about, like, you know what I'm saying?

I'm talking about at large. There are plenty of great boomers out there. Any fan of Andy's probably a chill boomer. Yeah. Because like why would you be in Andy Frasco if you're not chill with fuck? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? God, Nick, you're gasping me up today.

I am, but I'm being kind of mean today too. But when I was talking on bands earlier, I don't want to come off like I hate bands. I just want, I want more out of musicians. I don't want musicians to like... We're getting lazy. Let's not put the on us on everybody else around us. We're trying to live a dream life. Anyway, boomers, so basically...

We're getting lazy. I agree. Basically, boomers are. are basically the whole crux of the thing is boomers are the most selfish generation. They basically, a good euphemism is they pulled the ladder up behind them. Oh, so they took everything. And they are not helping their kids. And they kind of pulled up the ladder behind them so they can't get up here too.

And that's why the housing market, that's part of the thing with the housing market. They won't sell their houses. Hey, Neil, how you doing? Do you ever listen to Tim Dillon? What? Do you ever listen to Tim Dillon? Every week. He's great about boomers.

Like, I mean, just, he's much more eloquent and funny than me about it. Like basically he says the same thing. It's like they won't sell. I don't think you're being mean about bands. I think you're being right about laziness. Yeah. And there's a lot of great bands out there too. But you'll see this.

The great bands who even if they're not doing that good, they also complain less. I feel like it's the bad musicians who complain more. And it's almost like they're trying to create attention because they can't do it. You know what I'm saying? On their own. What do you think, Neil?

It's nuanced. I mean, you see a lot more of these like local. musicians than we do. Yeah, you're pretty local. So what is that supposed to do? No, you take those Wednesday gigs. Yeah, you play all these like shitty loser gigs.

So like, let us know. That's not. The last night I was that many shitty loser gigs. But you know what I'm saying. Yeah. I know you surround yourself with fucking those type of musicians.

But like I hang out with a P. Yeah. So give me. What's your take on them? It's nuanced. You know, it's like there's, it's just how entitled the person is when they start the end.

And if they feel like they're, it has a lot to do with how they, how their talent was perceived when they were growing up. Yeah. Were you super, you know, revered as a kid, a child prodigy or something? And then you, you know, like smart kids in the class, you grow up and then, you know, like everything was so great for you when you're in high school because you had all the best grades and everybody thought you were the best. And then, you know, you grew up to be some weird loser. Like that happens a lot. What about the musicians who felt like they didn't get enough? Good enough. Didn't get enough.

We're going to bleep this out. We're going to bleep this name out. Get enough what? Hold on. Let me say it so you can bleep it. I need a context of this. So like a band, a guy who studied at Berkeley. Okay. And like fucking got this high education. Feels like he should be bigger than he is.

And you're talking about. He didn't go to Berkeley. Or you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah. But yeah. And he talks shit. And then he's player hating. Are we playing?

We got to bleep that. Just because. We got to bleep that. Yeah. I will say there are sometimes people that are, despite all those things that you just said, and maybe they made it so far and feel like they should deserve more or whatever, but they're also talking shit because they just love to fucking talk. Okay.

And they're just like, like I need something to talk about. I like to talk. But I'm not a punisher. He doesn't need to talk shit. I'm not a punisher socially, though. No. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

Like, when it's time for me to start rant and I'll rant. But like, if we're at a party, I'll not talk for an hour. Yeah, yeah. You know how to listen. Yeah. Punishers don't know how to listen. And I don't talk about myself a ton. God.

Who would, okay, this is a good game. Who would you think would be just a punisher at a after party, at a musicians? Well, I mean, I know. Like famous musicians. Oh. Like a DJ Cowley. I got one. What do you got?

The lead singer of Maroon 5. Oh, just a punisher. What's his name again? Adam Levine. Yeah, he definitely. He's got the tattoos of a guy that's obsessed with himself. Like, he's just like, look at him. He looks like, have you seen his tattoos?

Yeah. It looks like he went to a flash tattoo sale and got settled. He went to Calabasas High School. Yeah. You know his family owns M. Fredericks? You know what M. Fredericks is? No. It's like underwear line.

Did you know that their old manager is Jonah Hill's brother? He died, but he was their manager. Who do you think? What do you think? Punishers. Well, I'm thinking it would be like a guitarist or a drummer who doesn't have the mic. Yeah. So then at the after party, they're just yapping.

Punishers. What about, uh, Think of lead guitars or punishers. Like The Edge. He probably talks a lot. Don't get me started on him. Get him started. I fucking hate that.

You ever talk to him? No, I just don't like it. Get him on the... It's a delay pedal. Like I said, he's a delay pedal with a scarf on. Jesus. Okay, let's call himself The Edge. Let's play a hypothetical.

I'm the Edge. Nick's the Edge. You ask, you're at a party with the Edge, Neil. Asking the Edge questions at 4 a.m. Doing a couple toots. Yeah, yeah. Just having fun. Two, three. Two or three. And you're just, you're talking about his day. What do you

think the edge would say back to him? So let's start. He's the edge. And, no, you're the edge. Okay, so. So start this conversation. Hey, the edge. How was your day to day before the show? So anyway, under the stage, I have like a bunch of pedals and I have a guy that just does it for me. He goes around and hits all the pedals for me.

Hold on. My scar's falling down. Hold on real quick. Anyway, yeah, I call myself the edge. It doesn't say that on my driver's license, but I'm a huge piece of shit, rich guy. And I make everyone call me the edge. Oh, yeah, the other guy in my band, that's Bono. His name's Bono. We don't use our real names because we're obsessed with ourselves.

Anyway, so anyway, yeah, we're headlining the sphere next month. I have hundreds of millions and dollars playing fucking whole notes with a bunch of delay on it, because we had one good album 30 years ago that Brian am I doing a good job? Yeah, I've been to that coffee shop.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been to that coffee shop for Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think they're like that? Do you think people are like that? Who? Am I like that? No. No.

You also know how to listen. And I would tell you. We have nice conversations that are... You know how to listen, but you also know how to be quiet because you're looking at your phone. Yeah. Sometimes you're not talking, but it's not because you're listening. Remember yesterday when you were trying to... I was trying to...

You kept almost answering it, but you wouldn't finish. About the hotel? I don't remember what it. was about, no, it was when we were downstairs, it was like, after a thing, I was like, can you please finish a sentence? Oh, yeah, no, that was just, that was just the brain fart of doing drugs for a couple days of, yeah, no, I would say you're a good listener. You're definitely not an annoy. You don't talk about yourself a ton. I feel like we, like, you know, if I'm fully in it and we're having a conversation, I'm not, because I am addicted to my phone. I know that.

I know. There's a Monday, there was a Monday morning motivation like two, three. I hardly ever watch them, because I just can't, because I know you. It's what's like gringes me out, you know. It's nothing personal. Like, they're fine. I watch them to be like, all right, how's it going to go this time? Yeah, I'm not telling you they're bad. I do that too with your,

when you do your Monday. Fair enough. I don't want you to do. Puzzled. I get it. The game show thing. Yeah, I get it. We're friends enough.

I wouldn't expect you to watch those. Okay, so you get it. I get it. But I did happen to see this one and you're like, we need to everyone, don't be in your phone so much. I was like, who the fuck you talk? You're looking in your phone right now.

I know, I know. Into a phone camera. Someone called me out on it. And it was funny. Chantel. Yeah, Shantel. DuCart. What?

Different Shantel. Yeah. But I feel like when I'm in it, I'm pretty in it. No, you're good to talk to. No. I hate people. It's always men. Why is it always men now they think about it?

There's hardly any women punitors out there. Because they know how to listen. Oh, there's women punishers? Yeah. I just feel like it's more common with men. What type of punishers are they like? They're like wooks. They're at the festival.

They're definitely on telrogs, you know, but they're just, they have so much to tell you about. And it's just like, but they're also asking you questions. They start with the question. Yeah. Then you start to answer and they're like, well, dude, I knew someone like that too. That's I knew. A lot of what bluegrass girls are like that. Yeah.

A lot of girls in the bluegrass scenes. Must be nice. I know. God. It is. I know, dude. I played that bluegrass show with guys. God.

Damn. Yeah, you played that. Oh, yeah. You played the fucking gang bang. I played with some of the heavy hitter bluegrass guys. I was kind of nervous. It was like a bluegrass gang. Really?

Why were you nervous? Because I don't know them. And I was like, oh, God. Because I make fun of bluegrass all the time too. Yeah. I know. Well, they got it. He got that.

I was joking. But I was like, because I actually had a talk with him about it afterwards. I was like, I'm not making. Do they ask? Like, do they say, hey, you talk shit about us? No. Well, me and Torham kind of not get and get into. We're discussing it.

And I was like, you get that I'm not making fun of you guys or fan. I'm making fun of this other thing that I like to make fun of in jazz too, but it's just more prevalent in bluegrass, which I don't like traditionalism. I don't like traditionalism in music. I don't like it in really in anything, religion culture. And like bluegrass people can be, and it's not all of them because kitchen dwellers,

I almost call the kitchen dusters. Kitchen dwellers are a great example of a bluegrass band I fuck with because they're not a traditionalist bluegras. Torren's running his banjo through, first of all, he's a badass motherfucker. He's bad. He's running his ship through wall. Same with Andy Hall.

He's running his ship. ship through pedals and shit. You know what I mean? So I fuck with that. So I was like, you guys know I'm not talking about you. And it's just an extension of like the thing I have I have a problem with like the jazz world too. I just don't like traditionalism. I don't like fans or whoever

people who like Bluegrass telling people how it should be. And that's nothing to do with them as musicians because even though infamous string dusters probably are more traditional than dwellers, but they're so fucking badass at it. I don't care. And the other thing with me with Bluegrass is it does,

I thought these bluegrass festivals where it's all bluegrass. It does kind of all start to bleed together and kind of start to stomach. I thought. Yeah. You ever played sports before? I've played every sport.

Yeah, but name all 32 NBA teams. Couldn't even begin. There's only 30. Got his ass. Got his ass. Couldn't even begin. Well, one of them is another. The only sport I was good at is tennis. And I've been playing again.

Well, see, I've been playing again. And I've been like, I got into the league. There's like Denver leagues. And I was like, yeah, I'm pretty good at this. And I lost. every fucking game. You know, dude. Let's play pickleball.

No, fucking pickleball. You know who's right? For people who can't play tennis and want to play tennis. Perfect. You just said he could take tennis. I know, I should probably just, I should just downgrade myself to fucking pick a ball.

Gabe Mervin's really good at tennis. Really? Yeah, he's kind of a good. They removed pickleball courts from some of the city parks because it's just so loud. Boomers. Yeah, like off Cheeseman.

It's like, you know, these fancy huge houses that people spend millions of dollars on. And then they move in, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. All day fucking low. What type of ball? Is it a rubber ball? No, it's like a whiffle ball.

It's like a wiffle ball with no holes. Oh. Does it hurt? Definitely not. You cannot achieve velocity with that thing. Oh. Unless you're like... Yeah, see, it's pussy.

I love... I love there's a meme going around as black dude's like, we're going to get the white people one more year until the African Americans start playing pickleball and start whooping everyone. We're giving you one more year, white people. I do like that it makes boomers fall and hurt. themselves.

It's definitely the highest percentage opportunity for that situation. Nick, you truly, truly hate boomers. What's your take on boomers? I mean, they kind of fucked everything up. See? They did. I don't hate all boomers. I hate the boomers.

My parents are boomers. They're very self-aware of what their generation did. I don't think my... My parents are boomers and they don't think they fucked anything up. Your dad is definitely like probably on the bad stuff. My dad is like the stereotypical boomer who thinks that... As much as I love your... As much as I love and respect your dad

because your dad is the shit. That's true. That's true. My dad's a boomer. He's boomer as hell, dude. Your dad and my dad would kind of get along on, like they're pretty much exactly alike on how they view the world. I'm L.A.

Yep. You're Indiana, right? Yeah, basically. You're Boulder? That's the town I'm from. Yeah, so your parents are from Boulder? Well, they're from Pueblo, but then they moved to Boulder. Do you think?

Ooh, trashy. Where are they? I just found out that Pueblo is kind of ghetto. Oh, my God. It's there's like, you don't think of Colorado having like gang stuff really happening at all

and that's where it is. You're on the way to New Mexico basically, you know what I mean? It's the last town before, you know, you go to New Mexico.

New Mexico is just like reservations and alcohol. I mean, you get your ass killed in Albuquerque though. Yeah, Albuquerque's pretty fucked.

But it's just like, but there is, there's still gang stuff in Pueblo. I'm sure there isn't Denver. I mean, there's a little bit, but it's just like you don't hear about it

like, no, New York. Indianapolis is crazy. Like York And fucking Bruce is the sketchiest intersection in Denver. Indianapolis. York and Bruce Randolph.

There's no neighborhood in Denver. There's not a problem. There's no neighborhood in Denver where I'm scared. Yeah. There's definitely parts of Indianapolis I won't go to. I'll avoid Bruce in York because it's probably annoying to walk through there and maybe get bothered by somebody. But I'm not. I saw some scary shit.

I never really seen scary shit in New York City. I'm starting to like, I saw some scary shit in New York City. We can hang out anywhere long enough. Some shit. what you just saw some shit in new york city first time ever walking around where i kind of felt unsafe what happened first time i always stay in chinatown and you know i like staying i like going and stay at the bar so four a m f a m i'm like i don't i don't like taking an uber i like walking in the city i like taking the subway i had some people following me all in my hotel what if they just

have the same hotel as you no no no no were they also jewish no no no no yeah i'm kind of bigger so I don't think they were a fuck. But it was scary. They were there waiting for you to slip up. Don't say what race they were. No, I'm not saying what race they are. It wasn't even that. They're white people.

I'm kidding. But they're kind of methy. But like I stayed on major roads. Yeah, yeah. The minute I probably would have turned right to a softer or smaller road, I probably would, they probably would have got some shit from me. Yeah, generally boils down to don't be stupid. Yeah.

But yeah, Indie's rough. Good job self-awareness. Yeah. Well, you know, it's like, I think what's helped me have, be self-aware is traveling. Definitely. People are afraid to travel now. Even like the whole man, everyone thinks the whole fucking country of Mexico is getting run by the cartels. One little town in Puerto Vyarctic because they had to fucking puff them up, puff their cheeks because the government killed their fucking guy.

Don't kill the head of the cartel. I had a friend from home like that where he was like, I saw him playing Cancun and he was all like scared. Did you see that video of the head of the cartel calling the policing? We pay you. Oh, yes. Yeah. We fucking pay you. El Mentiona.

We pay you. Leave us alone. He's like, I can't. I don't understand. They fucking shots out. Man, fucking shady. Well, what an episode. Pretty good.

I thought that was nice. You got to go film something. Neil, welcome. Welcome. Thanks, guys. You have fun? I'm over here. My little corner of my shitty camera.

It's awesome. I'm my little wireless mic. You got a little wireless mic? Take it in the bathroom with me. You still have fun doing the podcasting? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Cool. What about you, Nick? How are you feeling about? This is his, uh... Huh? How are you feeling about Neil here? It's his, what do they call it? Evaluation.

We'll work on him. First quarter evaluation, man. Um, you could all watch us live at, uh, umphreys. If you guys don't want to watch the live podcast, we're doing a live podcast. Neil's first time drumming and being the third guy in the band, we're going to do, he's going to be MDN. Now that Sean's gone. He is music directing and doing all the bits. Tom was still on the pod band.

What if we hired Sean for just the pod band? We need you, dude. That'd be fucked. He's probably pretty good at it. He's really good at it. But we should do one where we get our chops up in Denver. Before we go to Cancun. Let's do like a surprise pod.

I'm gone. Somewhere. What venue should we do at? Ophelias. No. Or Ophelius. No. Or two moons.

Yacht Club or Ophilius? No, Yacht Club's way too small. Yeah, two wins. It's too loud. Two moons is also. so fucking man. Let's go check it out today. No, but it can be quieter.

Let's go have a cocktail there today. We're not talking about the stage. We're talking about like the crowd. They have like a, no. I know. It's just terrible acoustics. They have like, is it? Two wins.

Yeah, but we're not a band. It sounded good the other day. I went the other day and it sounded pretty good. It depends on who's playing. Well, the DJs. Well, that's fine. The best gig we ever did there was the Portishead tribute. Play the quietest drums.

Yeah. With reverb. But maybe they, I don't know. They might have treated it a little. All right. I got to go shoot film with Birch. I'm going with you. Yo, Drew Birch, killing it.

He's a guy who kind of started rocking and rolling. I tapped you into him. Yeah, you did. He did good content. We got to get you on the content game, Neil. What does that mean? Exactly. We got to go.

I got to go. Neil's a boomer, I think. Are you a boomer, Neil? I might be a boomer. I'm older than you guys, right? No, I'm older than you. You're older than you. You're older than you.

You're 42? Forty-old. Your birthday's in a couple days? 24th, baby. Let's hang out. They've got random practice. Are you going to have sex with your girlfriend? What are you doing?

You always ask people if they're going to have sex. Do you have sex on birthdays? Yeah. If the timing is right. If you have to. You don't have to, I don't hold a lot of weight to it. What's your sex life like?

Do you guys, do you bone a lot? Do you bone each other a lot? We bone. Yeah, you make love. Yeah, that's disgusting. What about you? You guys having sex? Disgusting.

I'm not talking about my sex life with you. I don't give you things like that. I know. I know. Because I know your little. I know you. I just know you. To protect the insid

What is he going to do with what I just said? Just trust. You're already giving him more. You're already fucked up. I'm saying no. It's more about protecting Julie. My sweet Julie. I think he's,

I never met your girlfriend. She's cool as fuck, dude. She's smart as shit. Can we need to arrange that? Like I have a dinner, like a meter and like we can hang out, I hang out?

We'll have a dinner. Not looking for a three-sum, Neil. Don't worry. It'll be you, me, and her. At dinner. At dinner, yeah. cool. His girlfriend's cool as shit. It's cooler than him. Because Mr. Optimism, Nick Gerlock is just on fire with the optimism.

I'm not pessimistic. I'm just in the middle. Well, you're going to give the manifesto. You're going to give the optimistic manifest of why people are going to have a great week this week. You're going to have a great week because you're going to lower your expectations. And you're not going to expect the world to give you everything on a platter. And you're going to take little wins and you're going to enjoy them. And you're going to be like, wow, that was a good sandwich. It's pretty good to be alive and have a good sandwich.

There are so many people in the world that can't even afford a sandwich. right now. I'm actually inspired. I am actually fucking jacked up. Have a good day, people. We'll see you next team if we have the fuck's on the show.