Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - Isaac Teel on Drake's Fake Abs, NYC Pizza & Why Single Men Need to Smell Better

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Nick Gerlach flies solo while Andy's in Nashville, bringing you conversations about AI music, unanswered phone calls, and drummer/fragrance entrepreneur Isaac Teel's guide to smelling good and staying spiritual. Topics Discussed: Nick's thoughts on AI band Velvet Sundown and why it's "inevitable but won't replace real artists" The great band name theory - why all band names after 1992 are terrible Isaac's Forever Sinclair fragrance line and why cologne's alcohol content is ruining your game Drake's fake abs, BBL rumors, and general weirdness as a "theater kid trying to be tough" NYC vs Denver life - why the pizza will never be the same but the fruit here slaps Balancing spirituality with Denver's party scene - "love people enough to leave them alone" TAUK's evolution, writing new music, and their August 16th Levitt Pavilion show We're psyched to partner up with Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message: [phone] Check out our new album Growing Pains on all platforms 5/23/25!! Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For all things Frasco, go to: AndyFrasco.com Check out our sponsor, Gardenista: https://drinkgardenista.com/

Do you miss New York? I miss aspects of it. I miss my family. I miss the pizza. I miss the bagels. I miss the pasta. If you could bring one thing from New York to Denver, what would you bring? Pizza, duh. Do you think the pizza here is as bad as they say it is?

Yes. Or do I just not mind bad pizza? It doesn't rise like New York, and the dough is completely different. Do we need more Italians here? I don't even know, because there's dope Mexicans making fire pizza in New York. Yeah, that's true, but also, they might have learned it from the Italians.

Maybe you need Italians there at some point. At some point, but I don't know. I think you can do it without them. Do you think that's the first time anyone's ever said, do you think we need more Italians here? Maybe. We love our Italians. I grew up Catholic. Absolutely. All my friends are Italian.

Black Italian. Hey, everybody. Nick here. No Andy this week. He's in Nashville making yet another album. He makes an album every six weeks now. He's inevitable, much like AI is inevitable. That's why I'm going to get into this Velvet Sundown thing that everybody will shut up about lately. I'm going to look right now actually to see how many.

They're up to 1.2 million monthly listeners and if you're not familiar with Velvet Sundown also you can pre-save their album. I think it's funny. They're completely AI created. We can't play the music on here can we? You think we'd probably get hit with like a drone strike or whatever? Daniel Elk's gonna... you know Daniel Elk the owner of Spotify and that's like billions of dollars into like defense corporations And people are mad at him for making letting elevator music made by robots come on to us this thing look I Don't know man, I don't know about AI it's like I Don't think it's gonna affect like for Andy for like Andy Frasco for example

Let's use him since you all know who he is. I don't think AI will affect Andy Frasco. You know what I mean by that? Like I think truly creative people with their own personality are not gonna get hit by this bullshit. And I wish I could play it for you, but we can't. But it's like basically sounds like 70s music, right? It sounds like krung band mixed with like, right? Now you think it's like a little bit Krungbren mixed with like 70s vibes, with like the worst vocals. They even have like fake pictures of the guys and they kind of look like AI. Like, they look like the human version. Like there's these people anyway that are AI anyway. Those humans, those people in LA that just like grow their hair out and now they're a songwriter.

They're basically AI anyway. They're doing the same thing this program's doing, where it's just copying all the music ever made and Whittling it down into something digestible so it can be played in the background at Jersey Mike's Why you know I mean why you get a Philly cheesesteak and that's why I don't know It's like you can get as mad as you wanted this stuff instead of the defense contractor thing But the thing is it's not going anywhere AI is inevitable it's like Help were you how were you when the internet first came out? Were you old enough to remember people resisting it? Talking to Jack, our producer, because he's the only other person here.

I'm lonely. I'm all by myself and I'm lonely. My girlfriend's out of town. I'm playing video games and making clips. Yeah, it's like that. It's like when the internet first came out, no one like everybody thought it was gonna go away in two years or cable TV or fucking avocado toast or the self checkout or Andy Cohen or fucking the McRib. You know what I mean?

It's like, you can not like this thing all you want, but people are using it. It's not going away. It's just gonna be more. So I think what we should do with the AI thing is just shut up about it. I think that's the best way we can fight this. Everybody just shut up about it and if you don't like it, don't engage with it. I do have a theory that, and this is probably verifiable, that most of

these monthly listeners are digital themselves, right? And it's like, that's such a weird concept. It's like that dead internet thing where it's like, so it's fake accounts listening to fake music, so it's just like this circle of things that don't exist or created by AI, but how is that gonna make money? Because like, where's the money from the bots coming? Like at some point they're not gonna to make money off that because a bot doesn't generate probably enough Spotify streams to pay for itself, right? So what's going to... So it's kind of like I used to be a freelance copywriter.

I still do it sometimes too. And there's been a big thing with AI and copywriting too where AI sort of got rid of the freelance copywriter because all these websites are using fake things to write their paragraph blog for them but they're starting to realize that that stuff doesn't get any engagement and the only people reading that stuff is other bots so they're going back to using humans again and I think that's what's gonna happen with this music and even if it doesn't this music kind of sucks anyway it's like the worst kind of music which is like not bad music you would think that bad music is the worst kind of music,

but it's not. It's like, it's kind of why everybody used to make fun of Nickelback for a long time. Like they could basically be AI. You know what I'm saying? Or like some band like that. Imagine, like, well, we talk about Imagine Dragons. Isaac's gonna be on later.

One of my best friends here in Denver, great drummer, great musician, and a good guy. We got into talking about Imagine Dragons and how basic and boring they are and stuff like that and it's kind of the same thing it's like so like some Mormon gets to make ten million dollars instead of an IT guy. That's basically the difference here with AI like I just think that like humans are already kind of doing this anyway and the truly creative great musicians Ozzy Osbourne for example he just had his farewell concert. There's not gonna like you can't recreate Ozzy Osbourne you can't

recreate Limp Bizkit you can't recreate any jazz like any jazz well maybe some shitty jazz maybe some smooth jazz the Weather Channel jazz even some of that though you can't recreate like AI can only make stuff off what it already knows about it can't create new things so I think it's like something not to be too worried about. And I also don't think these bands are going to make any money because of what I talked about earlier with the bots. So, I don't know, that's my take on AI. Oh shit. Oh yeah, my other thing I wanted to talk about. Oh yeah, we got into that because of the band names thing,

that video I had with the band names and I was thinking about fish and how their band they were in town last weekend and I was thinking about how they were in town and how they're sort of like We were texting about this about the how they're the Jeff Goldblum of music So like I was thinking about this like how they're in town and how they still have all these fans Even though they're kind of niche. They've never really been on tv They they have their you know, a very niche audience, but they're creative and like that's another band You couldn't recreate with fish that could never happen

You can't make a guy in a dress On ai but like They're I was thinking about like what is the actor equivalent? I already told you but the actor equivalent of fish and I was thinking about, like, what is the actor equivalent, I already told you, but the actor equivalent of Fish? And I was thinking, it's got to be a dude, right? Because they're dudes, it's guy music. It can't be a woman. Women, no, GMNs are for dudes. And this guy might be a little too good looking to be Fish as an actor,

but he is very talented. And I think it's Jeff Goldblum, right? I think Jeff Goldblum is the, I guess, who was first? Probably Fish, right? They started in the early 80s. I don't know, maybe around the same time. So they are the, like they equivalent each other

as an actor. He's like, you know, he's got his own unique fan base. He's had a really high peak, you know, like Jurassic, he's in one of the biggest movies ever, Jurassic Park. He's got some famous lines. Everybody's kind of heard of Jeff Goldblum, but like he's not Brad Pitt or anything you know what I mean

like who's Brad Pitt who Brad Pitt be he'd be like the Eagles you know I mean good-looking good at what he does easy to palette incredibly famous will probably still be watching his movies in 200 years Radiohead who do you think Radiohead is Adam Driver that's a good one right? Kind of mysterious, not sort of like dark, but also can play anything. Some of this stuff sucks, some it's really good, which I kind of think about Radiohead too, you know? Like Radiohead's either like, they're kind of like Pink Floyd for me, where it's like, this is either the best thing I've ever heard in my life, or this is garbage, which is actually a good thing.

Tool. I have a girl for this one. Toni Collette, right? What do you think, what about Limp Bizkit? I couldn't think of one for them. You need someone who's like trashy. This would be a good voicemail call. You guys call me in and you tell me. Give me a call on the voicemail line it's in the

description tell me who you think the actor equivalent of Limp Bizkit is or just really any other any other band I haven't talked to Andy in like a while so I was gonna give his manager a call see what he's up to because I know he talks to him every day you think he'll answer I think either probably not or definitely because he might I never call him so nothing's ever wrong I gotta find him here hold on Matt I doubt he answers. I should just call a bunch of people and see if anyone answers. You call. Nope. All right. Let me see. Who should I call next? Oh, I know know I want to call

It'd be good to get like a super cut of me just having no one no one answer we can like cut this down a little bit too I'm gonna call barber This is super cut of me calling people and then unanswering. Barbara, it's Nick, you're on the podcast. Gerlach, it's just me though, no Andy. I was just talking to myself. I'm just in this room talking to myself right now. And I was talking about that.

Have you heard of this new AI band? Velvet Sundown? I haven't heard about it yet. How could you not hear about it? They spent a billion dollars advertising it. Well, I don't know, you just had a baby. I don't know how online you are lately. Literally it was everywhere.

They're like, everyone, and it's all like, like Rick Beato from YouTube and stuff like all like just randomly deciding to talk about this AI ban all at the same time. Ooh, conspiracy theory barber. What do you think? They're all getting paid to hate on it, but talk about how inevitable it is. Mm-hmm. So it's exactly what I was just doing. Fuck, I need to get paid for this. You should get paid for that. Wellable it is mm-hmm. So it's exactly what I was just doing Fuck I need to get paid for this Well it is inevitable though, don't you think And then music serves like a very social purpose like won't get fooled again It was like the biggest song of the 90s. I can't get no satisfaction

again No, that's actually I kind of said that too Me and Jack were talking we were saying Right right right, but like don't you think it'll just replace like background music and ads and shit like that It'll be like just the new placeholder music I mean, you can do that, you can make that kind of music with using human ingredients. Right, but it's cheaper to do it with the AI. AI's that will help you organize that, they'll help you project manage that, and they'll help you put your piece together, put the samples and the playing and stuff that's all human. So maybe DJs will be replaced by AI, except for the really good ones.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, the DJ world is weird. It's like, do they want like really hot girls doing this stuff? Or do they want the watch doing it? Or, you know, do they want like really expressive people? It's weird. It is kind of, it's weird. It reminds me of like the early internet, you know? It's just like, there's a certain aspect of, I mean, I guess the AI could like

go around Reddit and look for people complaining and make music about that, you know, along the lines of people complaining. Yeah. Like they can figure out how to make like revolutionary music with AI probably. I don't know why they wouldn't be able to do that, but I don't think the point of AI is to get us better music. I don't think it is either.

It's just, it's like the people who, everybody's on Spotify and they're just happy on Spotify and Spotify is gonna take all that money that they get from people and say how do we spend less and they've already like cut everybody's streaming fees down to really slow small amounts right and they're getting so much pushback every time they lower streaming fees that they just probably think that lowering streaming fees further isn't an option for them right speaking of DJs do you think the AI can replace

Mark Brownstein as a DJ? I don't think the AI could get his voice right on the microphone when the pipes look around. Everybody, I'm ChadGBT4.5 All right Where are you right now? Are you on the road? We're playing in the round tonight and the round so people can see your butt I don't think I'd like that I feel very exposed with people behind me too. I don't like that bows of people behind me too. I don't like that. It's a little weird. It definitely hits your balance. You get used to it but you can't move around too much on stage because you could fly off the edge of the stage by mistake. That would be hilarious actually.

The whole thing is moving. Everything is moving. So you walk towards something and by the time you get there it's moved. Oh weird. You have to hope that your body adjusts, makes a little micro adjustment, but the barbers is out there and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you're like in it, you're doing what you normally do, and then you end up walking off the side of the stage. Oh my god. We'll see what happens. That's crazy, but you can't sell more tickets. You guys aren't going to follow what everybody else, every other band's doing and fire your drummer, but you can't sell more tickets you guys aren't gonna follow what everybody else every other bands doing and fire your drummer Are you or get get a new drummer right you guys are good with Alan for a while?

Very in style to get a new drummer right now. It's like bell bottoms Yeah, they have to AI will bottoms will come back, you know? Yeah, they have to. AI will probably see them in a Rolling Stone ad about latest fashions for 1978 coming back in 1998 and then they'll make a comeback again. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if old drummers make a comeback though. Like I don't see any of these bands getting their original drummers and putting them back in the band. No, they're not doing that, are they? Who else just quit? The guy just quit Pearl Jam. Matt Cameron just quit Pearl Jam. Umpire's got a new drummer, somebody else. Goose has a new one every six months.

Did the Metallica bass player quit and then they put him back in? Probably, who knows. Who can keep up with those crazy guys? What town are you in, you said? Cape Cod. Ooh, I like Cape Cod. It's like rich white trash Yeah, it's like yeah, they've like they kind of party still they have like a bad sunburn like all the time

I'm white trash. I don't think you are. I don't think you're white trash. I think you're something else. I'm definitely white trash You're probably more like I don't know. I don't know what you are. Maybe an orb of light or spirit Yeah, you're not I don't think I don't think you're real, I don't know I'm not still not fully convinced you exist Hell yeah, dude, even when you had a second kid what about when you had kids that you weren't like man maybe I do exist. Yeah so maybe like they don't exist either. You after a couple years when they've been around for a couple years, and they don't leave they never leave right they're always there Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like a tip like when you get lyme disease

Right After a while you do you can't imagine what life was like without them interesting even though it's only been a few years Yeah, yeah, like if I think about when I was 20. I'm like, where was River when I was 20? Oh, yeah. Yeah Yeah, it's weird. I'm like that with tequila Anyway you got a message for these listeners for you go Any motivation any That's good, I think one or two shots of tequila is a good day. That's good. I like that.

That's my message for you. A couple shots. If you go to 6, you might need a ride home. Yeah. You might need a ride home. I might have to grab an Uber. All right. All right, Barbara. I'll let you get back to your show. Thanks for helping me kill 8 minutes. I love hanging with you guys. Let's do it again. Yeah, hit me up when you're in town in September from Mishawaka

late it There you go barb he always has a I like him because He always has like an opinion where we kind of agree But then he'll like go to like he's not afraid to disagree with you which I like okay Matt told me to call him back I like telling there on the podcast right away. They don't expect that from me. What's up?

Matt, you're on the podcast. It's Nick. Oh God, what's up? Andy's not here though. It's just me and you. Buddy, let's talk. Yeah, I wanted to talk to you without Andy around and you know, somewhere private, like a recorded podcast. I haven't talked to him this week. How are things going in the Frasco camp?

Yeah, you think he's doing a good travel you think he's behaving himself in Nashville right now He's writing songs, I don't know you think he's being a good boy Uh, he's writing songs. I don't know. You think he's being a good boy? Uh, I haven't asked that question and I don't want to know. Oh yeah, it's kind of a don't ask don't tell thing with Andy, huh? Correct. Unless I get a call from the police, it's uh, everything's okay. Are you gonna come to our Levitt show? Yes.

He's coming everybody, Levitt, August 2nd. Andy Frasco. I heard the opener's killing the Colt they're really good they're now they're not as not probably not as good as Andy but we're pretty good is it really good is there anything I should be doing different for this podcast like I can improve without Andy around to filter it I'm a great co-host I'm a great co-host

Yes, kind of it's kind of fun to know you're being recorded, huh It's actually it's being recorded twice because the FBI has my phone tap too, so this is going out everywhere All right. So do you have any I'm gonna make you do the thing Andy does do you have any motivation for everybody this week? Just work hard and keep a positive attitude. Oh my god. That's why you're a manager and not an artist Hey, I could have done that come on try again Yeah, that's good. That's good. Alright, well I'll let you go. I just wanted to see if Andy's in trouble or anything. I haven't talked to him this week. He's not in trouble.

No hot gossip? He's writing music. He's making music, which is a good thing. Yeah, he's good at it. Yes. Unfortunately. Yes. Alright, well I'll let you go.

Be good. Bye. Bye podcast. Bye. Alright, work hard and be good to people. I don't know man, that's stupid. What's some better motivation this week? Don't follow AI shit online unless you really want to. Who cares? If you like it, who gives a shit? Fucking listen to it. Everybody just shut up about it.

I do like his theory about them paying to advertise it, because it's like press or bad presses can be good press you know but then the same time I wonder I just don't see how this is gonna make money long term. I don't know like I said This is what happens when you have IT guys running the music industry Anyway, we got Isaac up next for you me and my friend Isaac. It's very funny. We have a lot of good good time We talk about Drake and religion and how single men need to smell better. Anything else we touched on that I can entice them with? Oh, that's pretty good stuff. Stick around. Bye. Andy will be back next week. I love you. World Saving Podcast listeners, I'm sorry. Andy's not here. He's even, where is he right

now? Probably Nashville. He's saving the world. He's even, where is he right now? Probably Nashville. He's saving the world. He's doing something cool on Instagram with his cool friends, making songs that hopefully someone will buy. Anyway, so I have a special sitting guest here today. Drummer, musician, drummer and musician, because not all drummers are musicians. This is very true. Not all musicians are drummers.

Facts. But they all think they are. They all want to be singer Fragrance guy. Hey, what's up and our resident black correspondent? I think everybody give it up for Isaac which one's it? No I'll take that Man how you doing you get ready head to a gig so we just squeeze you in here. I appreciate the squeeze man. I'm feeling great feeling good. Yeah, you just got back from New York?

I did I was writing some music with the Talk Boys and Kameka Moore and Lyle DeVinsky. That's a fun group man. Yeah, that's a good time. Lyle's always smiling, I wonder what he's hiding under there. I don't think he's hiding anything. Really? He's a genuinely happy dude. Whoa, I wonder what that's like man.

It's a little scary sometimes, But I mean I enjoy the positivity What do you think about the this whole Mike Brown hiring? Are you into it? I I am into it cuz I feel like I know you can't you probably can't talk about too much here We got to be careful. No, no, no, but we he brings winning and so, you know, I'm here for winning We need a winning culture. We need also need a coach who's offensively minded because our last coach was- He's basically the opposite of Tom Thibodeau. Pretty much.

We're getting ready into sports. Yeah, let's go. You miss New York? I miss aspects of it. I miss my family. I miss the pizza. I miss the bagels. I miss the pasta.

How long have you been in Denver now? Six years. Yeah, you moved here before COVID, right? Yeah, but I was in New York when COVID hit and they shut everything down. Oh, wow. It was intense. Ghost Town, New York when COVID hit and they shut everything down. Oh, wow. It was intense. Ghost Town, New York.

Oh, my god. It's scary. Really some I Am Legend type. If you could bring one thing from New York to Denver, what would you bring? Pizza, duh. Ha ha ha ha. Do you think the pizza here is as bad as they say it is?

Yes. Or do I just not mind bad pizza? It doesn't rise like New York. And the dough is completely different. Do we need more Italians here? I don't even know because there's dope Mexicans making fire pizza in New York. Yeah that's true but also they might have learned it from the Italians. Maybe you need Italians there at some point. At some point but I don't know I think you can do it without them. Do you think that's the first time anyone's ever said do you think we need more Italians here? We love our Italians I grew up Catholic absolutely all my friends are black Italian

Did you bring your fragrances with you I want to talk about I sure did what do you got all right? Well, Isaac is like I got him on here. I wanted to promote What do you got? Isaac is like, I got him on here, I want him to promote it. He's trying to make dollars out of cents. Yeah, so I have a new fragrance line called Forever Sinclair, that's the brand name. And it's literally just a perfect marriage of essential oils and Egyptian oils. So I have a guy in New York who gets Egyptian oils literally just straight from Egypt. Well, what helps it? Imported into New York. What if they're not from Egypt? I guess that people lie all the time. I mean, people lie all the time.

Probably made in China. I'm just from Zimbabwe. It could be anything. But I mean- It's like the MAGA hats. I've been making fragrances for myself for at least the past 20 years. Isaac does, you can't tell right now, but you can, he smells good all the time. I try to. You know, there's just people out here that don't even recognize that they don't smell good

I feel like I smell pretty good. Yeah, I use I'm not a big cologne dude I do buy expensive soaps, but the thing is about cologne is there's like or whatever it is Four different alcohols for every cologne so anytime you walk in a American Eagle or Sephora. It's the same smell It's all the same stuff, and that's why I love... I never thought about that. No alcohol. Oh. No alcohol. It's a perfect marriage. Exactly. So...

You can drink it and drive. I, um... Forever Sinclair is the name. I have 13 signature scents. Damn. Which is pretty crazy. How long does it... Well, how long does it take to... How'd you get into this, first of all?

Well, I was living in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn, and I stumbled upon this little shop, this little mom and pop shop, and this guy had a bunch of oils in his back, but I wasn't going there for oils. I was going there for incense. And he was like, you should smell this. And I was like, oh, cool, it smells great.

And then I got two scents from him that I loved and wore for like 15 years. And then I was like, all right, finally, you gotta give me a crash course on all of these sets. And I spent like an hour and change with him. And he closed the store for me, which is kind of crazy. He was just like, my friend. He's a good dude, but I gave him my album

and he was just so ecstatic. He was like, man, I love your music. It's so good. And then he closed the store and gave me rundowns of like almost every oil there. And I was like, okay, well... So he's like, is he like old? He's older. He's like in his 70s. He's like a sensei of sense?

Sense. Oh, a sensei. You know, that's not the first time I heard that. Oh, damn it. I thought I was clever. I'm usually pretty clever. But I might have to roll with it. Damn it! It's good. It's good.

But yeah, I mean, I honestly love pretty clever. But I might have to roll with it. Damn it! It's good. It's good. But yeah, I mean, I honestly love tying in. I'm huge on like, sense and stuff like that. Are they unisex? I have a huge, they are unisex. Nice. And you can wear, I mean, I have things that I put on that smell different on everyone. So, you know, I could roll the same roll on you

and on myself, and it'll smell different. That's not a thing with cologne? No. It's because of the alcohol. The alcohol makes... Everybody reacts to alcohol differently. Yeah. It's weird. So everybody's pheromones. Some people, it makes them smell bad. Some people, it makes them leave their family. Yeah.

Some things, it makes people cheat. It makes you drink. Yeah. Sometimes you end up in prison. Sometimes you smell good, though. Exactly. Exactly. So, I mean, I love it. I really enjoy it. And it's great because the best part about it is like not even necessarily the signature scents. It's the when I get the emails or text messages or DMs and say, hey, can you replicate this?

Or I want to smell like the wood from... Toy Story. Yeah. The baseboards in Toy Story. Exactly. So that's the most fun part for me because I get to now have homework for my nose. Homework for your nose, yeah. There's people in Denver that be doing homework for their nose. Yeah, but it's extracurricular. It means a little something. Yeah, they're not doing homework.

It's extracurricular. After school activities, sometimes during school activities. Never once. Hello, bathrooms that lock. Sometimes. Oh man. So what you're like, what do you think, we have a lot of single male listeners out there,

give them a pitch on why they should use this to smell better. We're trying to get people laid on this podcast. I would say for- Right, Jack? For both ladies and men, I think that taking care of yourself outside of the fragrances. They already know how to get lit.

You know what I mean? They're better with it. They don't though, because girls don't really have game. I guess you're single. You're single, I guess. You know better than I. I like this. Girls don't... What do you mean girls don't have game? Girls don't have game. They wait for guys to either...

We're generalizing here. Don't get mad. Yeah, we're generalizing here. I would say the majority of girls don't have a game. If they really are interested in you, they will put themselves in a position to be seen. And that's the game. They make themselves available. That's the game.

So either you pay attention to the signs. Men are really bad at that, I think. Yeah, because we're not locked in. But like then three years later, you'll be sitting there like reading or watching a TV show and you're like, damn it! Remember that girl that gave me the eyes at the airport? Yeah you're like, oh shit! That's, she didn't want to watch a movie! I gotta go to Craigslist for casual

accounts. I should have told her I already seen Creed 2, damn it! Oh my gosh, but honestly yeah I don't know. So girls don't have game, but you could argue that guys don't have game anymore either. Oh yeah for sure. Like our grandfathers, they had game, they would stalk a woman and stalk her and go to her workplace and make it himself the only man available to her until she they Said yes, and they also didn't have social media to distract Yes, true. So there's that that's the the paradox of too many options. Yeah overall Hygiene take care of yourself. Mm-hmm. You notice that shit. Please bathe, please moisturize, especially here in Colorado, please.

Please. Yeah. White people, you can get ashy too, all right? Listen, you totally can. You totally can, you can crack. And you know they say this term, black don't crack, but there's a contingency, you gotta take care of it. Yeah, it could. It could, easily crack.

Look at Morgan Freeman. No, listen, stop. He's looked 70 since he was 30. I love more He has been he's been 70s been 70s Since lean on me the first Bush. Yeah, the first Bush movie Presidency he's been Alright, so met so yeah, so pitch man why they should smell good. So guys we don't have any female listeners I'm just kidding. That's a shame. No, we do

So guys, we don't have any female listeners. I'm just kidding. That's a shame. No, we do We do fellas take care of yourself like Andy, you know It shows when you take care of yourself, honestly, and that's the most attractive thing It's not necessarily having a game and going having a line that you talk to a girl. Mm-hmm They could see it on you. So if you take care of yourself, you have the love for yourself Mm-hmm, they're gonna want to love the love that you have for you. So I Gave you that one for free. I like that. This is from a man that has a lot of game uh, I I used to play basketball in high school and I'm 40 now and I Your 40? I am. When's your birthday? April 23rd. Oh shit. 85. 40s are great. I don't know about them yet

I mean, you'll be fine. Fresh couple months in. You ain't got no kids. Nah I mean, uh, fresh couple months in. You ain't got no kids. Nah. Nah. Nothing tying you down. I got sneakers and I got drums. Those are my kids. Those are my kids.

I feel like the sneaker thing's, like, kind of... died off a little bit. You know what I'm talking about? It's weird because there's such hype culture when it comes to that. I think hype culture in general actually is dying off. Like, that's sort of like... Thank God, honestly. You're not seeing, like, Supreme hoodies like used to. Do you think it's because people are poor

or because that's corny or both? No, I don't know if they're poor. I feel like they're just rising up. There are the younger generation that are still on the hype, but I feel like they will never know what it feels like to stand online at a footlocker for a release that may not come back out. So you're saying the internet ruined everything.

Oh yeah, but it's also great because now I can get my favorite shoes from when I was a kid. That's true. On Instagram through someone's story. It's like a double-edged sword. Shout out to iBuyAllKicks because I literally get all my shoes from him. Yeah? No free ads, I'm just kidding. Ha ha ha ha ha Ad culture's dying.

I hope so. Let's get back into you know, actually go no more Drake shit You know what I mean? Do you see he bought abs? I did see that sir, but he He like paid to get like AB implants Yeah, what kind of a fucking psycho shit is that when you already have 400 million dollars? He's just doing the most I think he's just still trying to get Rihanna man. He's always out of ten Do you think it's just cuz Rihanna will never or is it Nikki Minaj? Which ones he in love with? I mean if you're if you're dry on it, right you could be every else Rihanna

You could literally have anybody you want. He's so I feel like he's just weird. He's just a weirdo that's an off about him, man Yeah, like your music is cool, but then you get to like talking with him and he's just not there You can like see through his ears in high school He would have been like that theater kid that was trying to look like he was like tough. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, I mean he's mixed and you know, I'm sure yeah and Canadian There just automatically there is a thing with that. I guess yes biracial Canadian Corny don't harp down on the theater kids cuz that was me. I know but they are like weird I was a band kid. I can say whatever the hell I want.

You know what I mean? Like, they're not tough. No, we're not tough. They're not like... Unless you play on the basketball team and on the bowling team. Yeah, so you're not... I'm talking about, like, the theater kids, like, the people that make, like, their whole identity.

Oh, yeah, for sure. They have the Thasbians. Which people forget he started as an actor, but that future album he did was pretty sick. Yeah, I never even watched Degrassi, funny enough. No, it's Canadian bullshit. Who gives a fuck? Did make us in the States, though. It was on Nickelodeon. Yeah, but Nickelodeon's a very Canadian company, if you look into it.

Yeah, they're sort of infiltrating us. It's like a MS-13 programming to make Canada seem cool. I did not know that. Yeah, Nickelodeon, it's a tool. I mean, I love the old-school Nickelodeon. I don't know about this new... Even back then, like, what was that show with the slime? Oh guts no listen like a

Alana's more set was on it Yes, that was Canadian Mark Summers is Canadian like a lot of the show starting Canadian. Oh, yeah So I think it's a tool of the Canadian deep state Interesting. I love Canada though. I love Canada. Not Canada rules actually. Toronto is a great city. Toronto's great but it's like kind of an international city like London or New York. Have you ever been to like? Vancouver. Yeah I haven't been there but I've been to New Brunswick. No. That's like French Canada a little bit still. Okay. Very weird there. I will say like we have better like like we bang a little harder you

know what I mean like it's sort of I always say Candace kind of like when you get the cereal like the American culture version of this it's like you know at the bottom there's like the cereal that's in the bag but it's like the fake Lucky Charms that's at the bottom of the ground. That's Drake. That's like how Drake is with hip hop. He's the no frills. Yeah he's just like the fake like sort sort of, like he's hydrox. I could see that. I mean, the thing is, I love early Drake.

Do you think he got a BBL too? God. That's gotta be true, right? Next question. Ha ha ha. That's the song, right? BBL Drizzy. Uh-huh. It is.

So you got fake abs. Or maybe he's just into fake asses. Yeah. You guys think Drake's cooked? And if so, will he be safe? No. I don't think he's cooked. I don't think he's cooked. I think that... I think he's too famous. I think he benefited from all this Kendrick's stuff. 100% there's no like you know there's no such thing. And people think like

oh Drake's career is over because he got a diss track. He's too famous for his career. He didn't have to make any music and stay relevant. No he's crossing Mendoza line of fame where he'll always be relevant. For sure. And he's like good looking. He's, you know what I mean? He's Canadian. Yeah, money. He can go anywhere and people recognize him. Yeah, he's Canadian.

There's, what, three cool people there, like, the weekend. Is Steve Nash one of them? Yeah, but is he cool? Or is he just good at basketball? I think he's just good at basketball. Yeah, I don't think he's cool. Like, would you want to get a beer with Steve Nash? I don't think so. Maybe, actually.

Yes. Because he's got good basketball. As a basketball fan, yes. Yeah, yeah, you're right. But I don't want to talk to him. Yes. As a basketball fan, yes. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I don't want to talk to him about movies. No, I will not talk to him. Oh, actually, doesn't he make movies? That's news.

I think he made some documentaries, whatever. That's news. I don't know. Like, psychologically, how is this dude gonna be okay after, like? Because he's a sociopath. Drake's gonna be okay psychologically because Drake is a sociopath.

That's how he got that famous. Why would you get fake abs? You're six sociopath. Drake's gonna be okay sociop- psychologically because Drake is a sociopath. That's how he got that famous. Why would you get fake abs? You're six, four. He's probably, he has to have hair implants at this point, right? I mean, everything. You don't get, fake abs isn't the first thing you get. You know what I'm saying?

No, you go to Turkey and you get the hair plugs. Yeah, or he's probably rich enough that it just came to him. But like, that's not the first alteration to your body you get. You don't start with fake abs. If you're a guy, I would see how. First? Fake abs? What else is going above abs? You take your shirt off? PBL? Nah. Lip injection? Nah. Botox? Nah. You're going to abs first? If I were to get any work done, yes.

Do you think women like abs, or do you think other men like abs? No, I think, well, I think both. Yeah, yeah. But I think women love abs. Sometimes I feel like the body sculptor guys on Instagram, it's like mostly other dudes that are... But honestly, the abs...

Fine. Having abs like that right now, it's not even technically in. The dad bod is in. Yeah, abs are corny, right? As I say, as an overweight guy. Yeah, I would say no. As an overweight guy. I would say no. As an overweight guy. I'm trying to get more. No abs are corny. As we're out what's in right now is being like pretty

overweight and not taking care of your body. Yeah. I think. And pickleball. And pickleball. Pickleball, drinking, being overweight, it's all bad. I mean look at Leonardo DiCaprio. Oh my gosh that's such a shame. He's got a new girl born after 9-11 every three weeks. Yikes. Sad but true. Ha ha ha. Sheesh. Sad but true.

So what's up with talk? Oh, man, we're doing good. We're writing so much music. Uh-huh. And I think that, uh... I think you guys have been taking a little time off of playing live. Yeah, I think the industry in itself,

you know, I mean, Jack was just talking about this. It's impossible. It's in a weird place. Like, no one's trying to kill themselves on tour anymore. I know. Except Andy Frasco. Yeah, I mean... AndyFrasco.com backs us tour for his upcoming tour dates. We are playing together August 2nd at 11 Pavilion. Anyway...

Shout out to Andy for, you know, killing himself on tour because he's making the world a better place. One jump from the stage at a time. One horror at a time. Exactly. He does the horror every day. You guys don't know this, but he makes me do it before we record the podcast.

Wow, that's dedication. I'm his goy toy. His beautiful goyum. That's so funny. But yeah, we're doing good. We're just writing a bunch of music and not trying to kill ourselves on tour. That's cool.

Yeah. I mean, he's got kids. Yeah. Honestly, everybody's probably going to have kids before me. And I'm the oldest. I feel like Matt is coming for Matt. Oh, it's cool. Yeah. I mean, he's got kids. Yeah, honestly, everybody's probably going to have kids before me. I'm the oldest. I feel like Matt is coming for Matt. Oh, it's coming for Matt.

I know his wife. It's coming for him. His wife. I'm loving her TikToks. She's hilarious. She should be an actress. Well, I mean, these days, all you got to do is be on TikTok. They did a great video the other day

where he was just saying a random person's name, and then she would do an impression of him. But it was just like an impression of a guy named Phil, not a baby. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She snapped into it so fast. I know, she's good, she's good. She's a star.

There's a game that I like to play with my girl, and it's called... You have a girl? Name that person, I sure do. Breaking news, hard launch. Isaac Teal is taken. Oh! Sorry ladies, she is the greatest person.

We'll bleep her name out. I ain't even gonna put her on blast like that, just know that she's a great... Is she a Denver gal? No, she's a queen. Oh! Sorry ladies. What'd she do? She is the greatest person. Well, Bleeper came out. I ain't even gonna put her on blast like that. Just know that she's a great- She a Denver gal? No, she's a queen. I'm not even gonna put her where she's at. Okay, that's fair.

But she doesn't live in Denver. Nah. Smart. Long distance is great, man. Yeah, you know, it is and it isn't. Me and my girlfriend were long distance for like a year one time. It was maybe the best year of my life.

Yo, honestly, absence does make the heart grow fonder. But I'm huge on solitude, so. She lived here. I was on tour all the time, so it's like, even if we lived together, it's not, we saw each other basically the same amount. That's fair. That's fair. Oh, but I was telling you about the game.

The game. The game is, whenever you go to a restaurant, Oh, yes. you try to guess people's names. Oh, that's pretty fun. So, and if you do it right, you can get your waiter or waitress on it, in on it. Oh, yeah. And they can actually confirm

because they have the credit card. It's called the name game. She invented it. I'll give it up to her. You know what I would do? I would just guess Muhammad for everybody. It's the most common name in the world. Read a book for once. Yeah.

So you just guess Muhammad for everyone. One name? Yeah. What are you, an Irish pop star? I'll do it when you got the ID. Yeah. Either Muhammad or John for men. I don't know what it would Muhammad for everyone. One name? Yeah. What are you, an Irish? McCloughlin when he got the ID. Yeah. Either Muhammad or John for men. And I don't know what it would be for women. You know, it's funny.

She's really good at the game. I just started being really good at it. But a lot of Matt's and Ryan's around here. Oh, yeah. You're in Denver. It's Nicks. There's a good amount of Nicks. It's Menver.

So not that many Jacks. Not many Jacks. It's like a boomer name. Yeah. It's like a guy who, yeah, Jack's's like a I just got home from World War two name That's a great story a drunken sports all sports reporters are alcoholics. Oh, yeah sure, you know, they're sipping all they do is go to games alcoholics. Oh yeah sure you know they're sipping. All they do is go to games. Sipping up bubbles. What's uh so you ever you ever find out if you're right or not?

Right about what? Oh about their names. Yeah so you gotta ask. I was I was with my lady at the time and we were in Charleston and um I asked the waitress I was like so what do you think their names are? Just a random couple across the way and he was like I don't know but I'm gonna findress. I was like so what do you think their names are just a random couple across the way? And he was like I don't know but I'm gonna find out I was like okay don't Tell them that we want to know their names just yeah, you just gotta find out. Oh, bro. Keep it chill What is your name? I guessed Michelle was not her name. Mm-hmm. I can't remember what my girl Michelle name is. Michelle's are blonde usually. Yeah, I could see that being a thing. Probably because I knew one Michelle. We were totally off and then we talked to the couple and they were like, what do you think our names are? And they said, Rico and Delilah. Well, you're never gonna guess Rico. Somebody said that I'm a Rico. Oh, for you? For me, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

That sounds like a drug dealer nickname. Like I'm a character on GTA. That's kind of racist, actually. Then calling you Rico sounds racist to me. It's just really funny. I was like, that makes no sense, but I'll take it. So now we're both Rico and Delilah to each other. That's a dangerous game for a white person to play with a black man. Yeah.

I would still play. His name is Devante Joe. Yeah, exactly. Joe. With the last name on there. God damn. Devante. Tayshon Williams.

No, it's actually Muhammad. One name. Muhammad. Mohamed. That's pretty funny. Play the name game, guys. It's so much fun. Yeah, so Toc's gonna be back, huh? So you guys are gonna be back in the fall? What are you doing?

Actually, we're gonna be here in Denver at Leavitt Pavilion. Oh, yeah, the week after the Andy show. August 16th. You got my boy, what, Michael Wilbur opening. Yeah, man, we played a lot of music with him. He's a hawk. We recorded two songs. He's killing. He's like the best sax player in the world, I say.

Oh, that's debatable. Well, from this perspective. But that's my guy, though. No, no, I'm not saying like the best sax player in the world I say. Ah, that's debatable. Well, from this perspective. But that's my guy though. No, no, I'm not saying like the most like, I'm not saying he's like the best sax player in terms of like, fun to listen to or like even like, but he can play like just like he's doing anything he wants. He literally can play anything. That's why I'm getting at more than like, and like maybe he's not the best musician on the saxophone ever, but he like, as far as his limitations on saxophone, I don't think he has any.

No, and I think his produced music is killer. It's dope. It's like EDM with jazz. And he's cool, he's not a little bitch. Oh yeah, he's dope. He works out. He's like a fun guy, he respects. He's not like one of those guys that's a badass.

Yeah, he's humble, he's chill, and he's really easy to get along with. Writing music with him was seamless. He's a creative guy. loved it. He has very basically no limits on the horn though He's killing you see when he put that uh Yes, that cone in his that's their thing So sick they've been doing that forever. Oh man to mess around with that in the studio other people are copying that now Oh, yeah, I'm sure of it Bitches should have just put a patent on that then they they're all mad at AI, but it's like,

you're just copying them anyway. Oh, yeah, AI's taking over. You're just AI with a parking cone. And not Allen Iverson. No, that'd be sick. That'd be sick if they turned into Allen. Yeah, he's a badass. So he's opening with you, probably playing with you too.

Yeah, he's going to open, and then he'll probably play the tracks that we recorded with him, which are two or three. That's cool. Yeah, should be fun. I've been trying to get a Leavitt with Talk Forever. Leavitt rules. I love it.

It's a free show. It's a great time. What, so that's the eighth? August 16th. Oh, so it's two weeks after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my girlfriend's birthday. Hey, so you're not coming.

No, that means I am coming. Ha ha ha ha ha. Bring your girl, man. That's what I'm saying. She likes it. She's probably working. You want some jam music? She loves jam bands. Her favorite band's Umphreys. Oh, OK. She's a girl. How does some jam music? She loves jam bands. Her favorite band is Umphreys.

Oh, okay. She's a girl. How does she feel about Chris not being in the band anymore? Well, she's not that into it. She hasn't seen them without Chris yet. She's not like a dork. She just likes going to their shows. You know what I mean?

Fair enough. Fair enough. She's too attractive to be that in Umphreys. Ah, yo! Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, no, she likes Umphrereezing talk and all that kind of stuff. She's a rocker at home. Well, I appreciate her for liking talk. She'll come out. Maybe I'll bring her out.

She's not working some Elton John or something. You know, she's always working big. She worked for Metallica a couple weeks ago. I wanted to go to that show. I kind of don't like Metallica. I don't care about them, but I wanted to go. Just to see. Yeah.

I bet it rips. Yeah. I was talking to Jeremy. What's your favorite, like, okay, so you're probably not like a big metal guy, right? I like the old school stuff. But okay, so who's your favorite metal band? Dream Theater. Oh, okay, you like the polished sort of,

I can't do his voice. It's Mike Portnoy for me though. Mike Portnoy is like the opposite of Lars. It's him for me. He's the opposite of Lars as a drummer. Yeah, but I just love I love his playing I think it's yeah tasty and like what they're doing it's like it's perfect Did you ever check out liquid tension experiment? No, it's that it's like dream theater without a singer It's like I think it's

Yeah, so it's basically instrumental dream theater. It's like mostly the same guys. I can't remember the guitar player thing. Okay, I will definitely check that out. Is it Patatucci? I don't know. Jack's like, I like girls. I don't know. I get laid, dude. Okay, what about like of those 80s ones that are like more famous? Like Metallica? Mine's Megadeth. They're sneaky good, you should check it out.

I would go Primus. Ooh, they're playing Red Rocks tonight. Tonight? Dun dun dun dun dun dun. They got that new drummer, did you audition for that? I definitely didn't. Yeah. I didn't even get a call.

No, it wasn't like that, you just like threw, it was like a. Oh, you gotta throw in a little audition tape. Yeah, some guy won in Arkansas, Fransco knows him, I can't remember what band he's in. I didn't even... Isn't that crazy? I mean...

To go from that to getting that gig? It's crazy to get big gigs like that in general. But he didn't like scale up. He went from like local band from Arkansas to... I'm in Primus now. He went from playing garages to stadiums. And he like won it through like a televised audition, which is kind of a lot.

Good for him. That's like the American Idol way of things. Yeah. I like it. It is kind of, yeah. Good for him. That's like the American Idol way of things. Yeah. I like it. It is kind of a... Yeah, I don't mind those singing shows sometimes. Oh, no. Some of them are really ridiculous. I actually auditioned for American Idol back in the day.

You should do The Voice. The Voice is killing. I like The Voice because they don't have like... They don't make fun of people. They don't like have bad people on just to like... Right, just to rip folks. I think they do that less in American Idol now. I think probably someone probably did it did the thing

You know last time I actually watched one of those shows sometimes when I'm it's uplifting if you just put on YouTube and put on best auditions America's Got Talent, but you know about the Sunday's best in the gospel version of that. Oh my god. Yes. I do know about this. I used to watch it I told you yeah, it's probably way better I do know about this and I used to watch it. I told you yeah, it's probably way better It's killing it's like so many runs That's the one that I actually did watch with more than anything when gospel singers start competing it can go wrong I can go really bad, but

Some of the judges some of the I mean it was Kirk Franklin I was gonna say the first person I was gonna say is Kirk Franklin a judge in that ship. Donnie McCurklin I think was an OG. What about like Yolanda Adams was like the... And she's a great singer. Kim Burel ever on it? Yeah, I don't know if she was a judge, though. People got kind of mad at her recently. I can't remember why. Who's the singer that was asking people to donate more?

He's going to lock the doors. Oh, Marvin Sapp. And that was so weird because they took that out of... I mean, listen, we can go into the go into the religion. Let's go into it This is really funny how people take certain clips and then run with like that's Bible who knows what? Well, yeah, he's also not a pastor. Is he I think he is probably I think he is I got both Yeah, I mean, he's a great musician People don't know this but there was a group from the 90s and 80s called commissioned that I should Fred Hammond

Oh shit Marvin Sapp and like two other dudes that I can't remember there's a pop version of that man It was I can't remember what's called but it was babyface and Ellie Reed when oh, yeah Cincinnati and Indy cuz baby faces from Indianapolis, right? You commission it was like the groove or something real simple all those badass bands before those guys get famous Yeah, this is Cincinnati and Indy cuz baby faces from Indianapolis, right? You commission it was like the groove or something real simple all those badass bands before those guys get famous They all have one word. Yeah, it was killing and it was like it was boys to men, but gospel What do you think I have a theory about band names now that we're on band name? Oh, yeah, let's do it Okay, so I remember that jam band thing. I posted did you see that video? I posted some video about what jam band names are all bad Yes, I did dealer. Yeah, but I kind of have had a revelation that almost every band name is bad after like

1992 because they're all taken everything good's taken number one and I think that people think like one guy argued to me is like He said grateful dad's a good band name. That's they are that is good, but it was also in 1965 when they came up Yeah, I was gonna say that's fish. I would argue is a bad band name, but I agree. No, no disrespect I like the band but but because they're famous It's been so normalized. Oh, yeah for sure that this people think it's a good band name now It's it's because of the height so like Exactly. So it's like our band names only good if the band gets famous. The Tree.

The Tree. Is that even, that'd be a good band name. That's better than most of the jam band band names out there. That doesn't make no sense. No, I know, but nothing. But like, what's a good example of like a famous band, like actually Radiohead's a good band name. That's a great band name.

Yeah, so maybe I'm wrong. But maybe there's a couple left. But they might have named their band before 1992. Do you know that band, Knee Body? Yeah, that's kind of a good band name. That's a great band name but maybe there's a couple left. But they might name their band before 1992. Do you know that band, Knee Body? Yeah, that's kind of a good band name. That's a great band name, and that's a great band. Jazz. Nasty.

Jazz people have more leeway, I think, too, with that. Yeah, they also are probably more intelligent. Imagine Dragons? Do you think, I think that would hate that band name. If I... I don't know, I think that's kind of cool. But are you being affected by the fact that they're famous, though? Yes. Yeah, you are. I think that's kind of cool. But are you being affected by the fact they're famous though? Yes. Yeah

Imagine dragons. Yeah, if they were does that if they were terrible, I'd be like, that's a dumb name No, imagine. I'm a man. There's like two people that have ever imagined there's two people that have ever imagined dragons JR Tolkien and Who's the? Game of Thrones guy. Oh Yeah, right, right And who's the Game of Thrones guy? Oh. Yeah. Right, right, right. George R. R. Martin.

Those are the guys. So you think they, like, love to imagine dragons? No, they probably have. Because they're like sick. They picked it out of a hat. No, no. The authors. Do you think they're like, oh, sick.

This band likes what I like. That's what I do. I imagine dragons. I imagine dragons all the time. That band weirs me out. He's too jacked, too. I don't like when musicians get too jacked like that. Lead singers. Man, honestly, I would love to get jacked like that, but I feel like I would have-

You're a drummer, it's different. Yeah, you're right. It looks cool when you guys are in shape. It looks like you practice all the time. But we don't! But like a guy in his- like Jared Leto's a singer, and like I go on this all the time. I'm always harping on Jared Leto, but- Is he jacked? Yeah, he's got abs for sure. But he's got like skinny guy abs. I was gonna say, that's different than like... He's got heroin abs.

...the abs you can throw a quarter off. It's difficult, man. Especially if you like pizza and pasta and all that. Can't eat that stuff in half a six pack. That's like impossible. Yeah, I want to enjoy my life and die younger. That's, you know what I mean? Who's gonna do it? That I... You know what's funny?

I go to New York and I save my bread intake for New York That makes a hell of sense. So when I come back to Denver, it's fruit and juice since I got back It's been watermelon cherries blackberries. The fruits really good here, by the way. Yeah, actually a lot of it I can't find like black seeded watermelon to save my life. Yeah outside of the farmers market. They're better in the south Oh, that's where they grow. I mean, everything's better where it grows. Or in Costa Rica. There's some peaches out here that slap, though. Yeah, if you get them at like a little stand somewhere on Federal. Sprouts.

Sprouts has good produce. They do, but not the one on Colfax. I can't shop at Sprouts because I can't cook, and Sprouts is just like a store of ingredients. It really is, though. That's why I hate about that store. Like Trader Joe's is the philosophical opposite of Sprouts. If you go to Trader Joe's, it's like, oh, it's delicious snacks. If I had to pick one and never go to other one again,

I think I would probably pick Trader Joe's. Yeah, they have hidden snacks. They have delicious things in every corner. They also have really good ginger snacks. They sell produce. They what? Ginger snap cookies. I'm a fiend. You are? Yes. Anything ginger, honestly. I didn't think you really ate desserts.

You kind of give me a like, I don't eat dessert. I am a sweet. I could see you a like, I don't eat dessert. I am a sweet. I could see you being like, I don't eat white flour. Oh man, I wish I'd have a six pack. You could have an eight pack. If I didn't eat white flour, but I'm born and raised in New York, so it's really difficult to not get a Kaiser roll

or a sesame bagel. I mean the bread there is just so good. Or pizza and pasta and croissants. Ugh. I mean bagels aren't really good anywhere but there, huh? Unless it's like somebody from, it's very rare. It's, it was, I would put them in the whole East Coast. It's kind of like...

I've had great bagels from Pennsylvania. Fair enough. And Jersey. Where there's more Jewish people. Right, wherever there's Jewish people. It's like kind of like, but like it's just much easier You can get a good bagel here But it's like much easier to get a good bagel on the East Coast and that like just like by a gas station

I was gonna say you can go to the most corner store Yeah, exactly Most bold egg a spot and you just get a fire bagel and just be like, you know, just put butter and jelly on a toasted Yeah, it's like the best thing here. You have to go to like a store, the place that has like an Instagram account. They're in Denver food scene? Yeah. Best bagel in Denver. It's just as good as New York, we promise.

Stop the cap. Get in here right now. An iced coffee is $7.50. No, you fucking lying. The line's around the door and it's 95 degrees outside. Everybody's hung over from cocaine the night before. But come get your best bagel. Yeah, but get us an everything bagelel. Oh that sounds so good right now.

We're across the street from a music venue. That does sound good right now. Yeah it's kind of like fried chicken in the south. You can just get like the best meal you've ever had. Literally at a gas station. It's the best. I'd be getting gas three times a day. There was this gas station in Texas I can't remember because I was on tour and I literally just woke up and they were like, yo, this is supposed to be the best spot to get barbecue. And I was like, what?

What a gas station looks like something that a... And then it was. And it was fire. It was so good. I got a pulled pork sandwich and potato salad and baked beans and it was like better than anything I've ever had. Barbecue is another one of those things that's been like gentrified.

Oh yeah. And you get it here and it's things that's been like gentrified. Oh yeah. And you get it here and it's like, comes on like a prison tray. Ugh. And it looks, and you get like one slab of beef. There's a new place by my house that's pretty good. I'm not gonna give him a free plug, but.

Okay. I'll get that information for you later. No, it's like, it's right by Sprouts. It's like where that Steve Snapp and the dog used to be. Oh, okay. It's pretty good, man. But it's like good servings.

You get to pick your own amount of sauce Okay, don't put the sauce on it for me motherfucker. No, you better put the sauce on it and make the sides on sides I want sides of sauce. Yeah, they've like made all barbecue a la carte now. That's weak It's like you're going to MCL cafeteria give it to me in a brown paper bag and it's greasy Yeah, I'm not trying to like that's what I want here for one reason only here for a good time Not for a long time. Mm-hmm. Anyway back to this religion thing. Yeah, you're a spiritual man, right? I would say so Yeah, you ever ever like have issues with this hedonistic Denver life that lifestyle that people have Yeah, but I don't let like how do you balance that cuz I mean you're not like a saint, you know You're not like, you know, you're not celibate God. You're not like a...

I mean, I have to... I've taken moments to do that. You're on the holy end. I'm just saying, you're not like a Puritan where you're like telling other people what to do. I don't want to infringe anything on anyone. But you don't want them to infringe on your life either. So how do you... what's like the main thing you do to balance that? Pray. Honestly, because when you talk to God, for me, that's when you see yourself the most. Yeah, that's what I like about you. You don't really push it on anybody else.

It's not about anybody else. It's literally about my own personal relationship with God. And that's why I think relationship is better than religion, because religion is manmade. Relation is a business. You have a personal relationship that is yours, and you cultivate it. You understand what it is.

Like that, when you live that and you exemplify that, no one could ever take that from you, number one. And then you don't have to beat people over the head with the Bible, number two, because you are embodying what you want people to understand. Yeah, and also like religion has a credit card sometimes. Oh, that's big facts. I don't wanna fuck, it has a bank account,

I don't want you to wanna fuck. I mean, it just goes to show, churches don't have to pay taxes and all that other stuff. It's just, it's so crazy. So how do you keep it from seeping into your life? There's a lot of demons here. There are a lot of demons. It's difficult, honestly.

I think that, like I said, prayer and being able to die to yourself, that's one of the biggest things that and being able to, like, die to yourself. Like, that's one of the biggest things that I've... Do what now? ...die to yourself. What does that mean? So when you look in the mirror and you see some things that you really don't like about yourself, you gotta come to grips with that.

Oh, shit. Pray about it. Say, listen, this is not something that I wanna be continuing living in. I don't wanna be seen like this. These are my vices. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And this is how I need to be able to get a grip on them. And honestly, it comes with discipline and that's the hardest thing. Discipline our minds first because that's where it starts. And then, you know, being a place where you can like

communicate that to people. So then they're seeing you living out things that you're talking about. And then maybe they do less cocaine. Exactly, exactly. Maybe not no cocaine, but less cocaine. But less, and then, you know, honestly, profession over perfection.

You know, if you shoot for perfection, you will fail. Another thing with these demons in Denver, well, they're everywhere, but we live in Denver, is some of them are very likable people that I get along with great. Yeah. And it's like, damn it. But you hold them in a box.

That's true. You'll never really see me at after parties or anything like that. Not because I don't want to be there. Me neither. It's because I'd rather be on my couch. I try to be home by 2 AM. No. I'm a late night guy, though.

I'm insomniac anyway. Once it starts turning to like eight dudes in the kitchen, I'm out. Bruh. I'm not trying to talk about whatever business idea you only have when you're on the road. Yeah, like eight dudes in the kitchen. I'm out bruh. I'm not trying to talk about whatever business idea Yeah, too many sausages in the kitchen Never what do they say never go to a second location with a hippie or never go to the hippie? See, I don't even know that phrase cuz I don't never go to a you ever go the hippie to a second location It just and then it's six in the morning. See not ready. I'm already in my second dream

You have a lot of dreams you sleep well I think I sleep pretty good you know what I stop smoking weed and you slept bet you sleep better and I sleep a million times better my health is a lot better I'm less inflamed oh yeah yeah cuz they say sometimes a THC reduces inflammation that's what they said but not well everybody relaxes everything differently my gut feels so much better. Maybe you're eating better because you're not high. That's part. That's part.

Maybe it's a side effect. It's the non-greasy chicken sandwiches at like 12 midnight. It's more like, oh, I got some grapes in the fridge. I have been really into grapes lately. Yo, I'll bust down some grapes real quick. Put them in the fridge. Oh, man. Put them in the freezer,

and then put them in champagne. You're a freezer guy, huh? They get a little too... I like them out of the fridge, but they're good out of the freezer. Put them in champagne. Yeah? And then thank me later. There's this new dessert they have,

or it's like a frozen treat at Sprouts, where it's like grapes just dipped in sugar that are frozen. It's terrible. It's so bad for your... Like, it turns the roof of your mouth into, like, a war zone. But... Turns the roof of your mouth into Call of Duty?

It's like sort of a healthier snack, but it's like not, you know, but it is healthier than eating, like, a pint of ice cream. Is it, though? Yeah, because they hurt so bad, you'll only eat four of them. Oh, fair enough. By the fourth one in, you're like, -"Oh, my God, they're so sour." -"Fair enough, I can't." -"They're sour, too." -"Yeah, no, I won't." All right, you probably gotta get to my god, this is so sour. Fair enough, I can't. Because they're sour, too.

Yeah, no. All right, you probably got to get to this gig, huh? I probably should go, but I appreciate you having me. You got anything you want to plug? Show's coming up. Oh yeah, the Levitt? Yeah, Levitt's going to be fun. Free tickets, get on an RSVP, right?

It's free, right? It is free, I believe it is. God bless. They're blessing you on it. Look out for Forever Sinclair, DM me if you want to smell good. Yeah. All the good things. How much is the bottle?

I have three different sizes ha ha Damn asking I appreciate you soft hard and super hard. Okay, so this is the everyday travel sizes Oh, this is 45 bucks. They won't stop you with that at TCA. They sure won't this is 75 It's just a little bit bigger. How long would you say that lasts? This size lasts about a couple months if you you use it, even if you use it every day, I think it would last you. It's not an everyday thing. About three months.

It could be, it could be. But I would suggest getting two and rubbing them together. Ooh. Ha ha. Just like. This is 120. Whoa. For the people who don't wanna hit me up

every three months. I like the container. It kinda looks like a CVS makeup department. Yeah, I love this little wrap here. I got it. You can't probably see it, but it's gold foil. It's expensive. Oh, good. Girl! Girl! I know you fucking lying! Child! I know you lying! Do you have any motivation? That's what A&E always makes people do at the end.

Do you have any message to the people for this week? Yeah man, love everyone. Honestly, this world is going to hell on a scholarship so please don't be a part of that. You think of it? Literally, yeah it is, it is. And it's sad because people don't take loving other people seriously.

Like, you don't have to go beat up under them but literally just love people. It makes a difference. Or at least leave them alone. Yeah, like love them enough to leave them alone. Love them enough to leave them alone. Quote of the day. I like that.

Love people enough to leave them alone. All right, thanks Isaac. Appreciate you. Andy, we'll be back next week. Love Andy. I wish I had you, Fro, but I don't. Bye everybody. Bye.