Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - Lukas Nelson on Music as God, Family Trauma & Life After Fame

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

In this deeply personal conversation, Lukas Nelson joins Andy Frasco to explore what happens when music becomes your salvation. They discuss how childhood trauma shaped his artistic journey and why he chose authenticity over celebrity after "A Star Is Born." Topics discussed: The meaning of life and creating your own identity beyond famous parents Processing family trauma - losing his brother to suicide and its ripple effects Music as a spiritual practice and why it saved his life His years backing Neil Young and what he learned about artistry Working on "A Star Is Born" and choosing artistic integrity over fame Songwriting philosophy - honoring the muse and creating timeless songs Three years sober - trading addictions and working toward longevity Website: https://lukasnelson.com 👉 Subscribe for new episodes every Tuesday 📲 Follow Andy on Instagram: @andyfrasco The World Saving Podcast is part comedy podcast, part music podcast — with raw musician interviews, funny podcast clips, and highlights from Andy’s adventures on the road. Each week features musicians, comedians, athletes, or everyday legends. Watch this episode now on Volume.com & YouTube. We're psyched to partner up with Volume.com! Check out their roster of upcoming live events and on-demand shows to enrich that sweet life of yours. Call, leave a message, and tell us about your musical awakening: [phone] Check out our new album Growing Pains on all platforms 5/23/25!! Follow us on Instagram @worldsavingpodcast For all things Frasco, go to: AndyFrasco.com

You're going through your, you know, your existential crisis. Who woke you up from it? Man, I don't even think I woke up until after I did A Star is Born. I was playing with Neil Young. Bradley saw me playing. It was like Desert Trip. Bradley Cooper was there and then basically hired me on from there. And after Star is Born, I had a sort of a crossroads where I was like, okay, what is fame, you know?

Like, what do I really want? And I really felt like I wanted to, I just wanted to keep working and do it for, the art of what i do do it for the the love of what i do and i didn't care about any of that other you know celebrity type of fame i found my manager that i still have jeff kramer and he was the one who really helped me to realize the truth of my artistry he's the first manager i've ever met that said you don't have to do that you don't have to do that this is not a good look for you he's somebody who says you know wait you don't have to play with your teeth you have songs like find yourself and just outside of Austin and forget about Georgia.

This is what you leave behind, you know. This is what you want people to come away from your shows. And that is great. That's what we're doing it for. That's what we're doing it for. All right, and we're live. Andy Frasco is World Saved podcast. I'm Andy Frasco.

How's our heads? How's our minds? Have we feeling good? Cooky time to be in America right now. Jesus Christ. crazy shit out there I'm in West Virginia I was supposed to fly home yesterday

I was on the plane and uh you know when they like kind of like we need three people to get off this plane and I was like I normally don't do because I'm normally in a rush I'm like what am I going to do it in Denver man just gonna go

rush to Denver to go go hang out of the bar and shit and go hang out to have I'm like let's see how high this thing goes because no one you know when you go to these like smaller airports and smaller cities who don't fly a lot

they mean it's like they're one time flying for the year some of these people so they don't want to miss their flight and I was like okay let me play this out clearly had nothing to do I've played this dance before and uh it got up to like $1,200 I held strong

well let's see if they it got up to $2,000 I'm like a flight vouchers Plus they'll give me a hotel And uh Just like money for food and shit for the night And I'll just get on a flight at 2 p.m tomorrow I'm like fuck it I'll do it

So They gave me a $2,000 flat voucher So shout out to United So I'm like chilling in West Virginia one night I'm like fuck it I can do I mean I got no girl I'm chilling

I'm gonna be home for like four days anyway So I was like fuck it I'll hang out in West Virginia They put me in the country some like kind of country in hotel or something and I ordered some Indian food my stomach kind of hurts from this shouldn't have fucking done that I bought like two Natty lights I've been watching football

I'm like I would have been doing this fucking in Denver so I'm like fucking now I got $2,000 voucher maybe I'll go on a vacation or something but that's why I'm here I'm stuck in West Virginia or we would be me and Nick would be talking about this Tyler Childers Festival together that we did So it's going to be solo me

And then I also interviewed Lucas Nelson So we're going to put out I was I interviewed him yesterday I'm going to put it out in a couple weeks But because I miss my flight We're just going to put it out tomorrow I love Lucas He's a good man you know

Sometimes Kids of famous people Get a bad rap Either maybe they're spoiled or fucking People feel like They deserve the hard work that they did but Lucas fucking I remember grinding out with Lucas we were fucking 20 years older he's the same age as me I remember grinding out with him in the Midwest like

I remember one time I say this to him in an interview I like we were playing FIFA in my van and we were probably both 21 22 big dreams I was like I had the idea of Lucas of oh he's just a fucking rich kid or whatever blah blah blah and I got to get to know the guy and I realized how hard of a worker is and how much he wants to be his own identity like he put out he took out money out of his own credit card to pay for records he went in debt to be you know his own man you got to respect that

I mean that's what I did too and you know a lot of musicians who started that's what they did too so shout out to Lucas I think I'm gonna real love this interview but man it's been a wild week I am in the trenches of the Americana a scene right now people i'm definitely the wild card a lot of a lot of stiff stiffer bands who don't party as much they look at me and they're like oh fuck here comes here comes trouble i'm like i actually pretty did pretty good because i they put me on tiley

children's uh festival and i got nervous at first because it's a festival about recovery and i was close i was closing out the opening night so i was the party for everyone basically in recovery I'm like are you sure you got the wrong fucking I should you got the right band for this and as I realized it yeah they did get the right band for this

you know we like to party but everyone has this rep on this band that we're just like fucking degenerates and fucking just party all the time and not work hard but no we just like to have fun like everyone will judge a book by its cover that's why I think about this

when people are like judging you you the listener whatever's going on in your life whoever's judging you they probably don't fucking know you they don't know what your intentions are and the people we're mostly worried about are these fucking trolls and these people who don't really give two shits

about getting to know you they just want to put a stamp on you and move you into the addict for that I tell those people to go fucking go fuck themselves because you're not giving someone the benefit of a doubt to get to know them so why are we having

sharing all this energy to make sure we give them the benefit doubt of making the shit talk offensive to me i was like we were i took a i was hanging with jesse wells i really another guy i i fucking was on tour with when i was fucking 20 and all of us you know everyone's we're all doing our thing and i normally never not normally but i've been starting to not read the comments or not read the messages, but one irked me. It's like, don't, don't torment or don't, um, what do you want this fucking cougar person say? Don't, uh, taint, Jesse with your, with your party guy antics.

I'm like, listen, lady, you don't even, you're saying this. I'm like, we have kind of the same message going on. You know, he might be more, you know, prolific than I am, but we're still preaching the same thing that's freedom it's not about throwing the party it's like i hate when people just judge books by its cover it's the same like people like some of these fish fans judging goose because they play jam music like fuck off you could listen to more than one band come on get off your fucking high horse and enjoy the goddamn ride okay anyway back to the children's festival so i was like You know, I was like, I was in there thinking like, oh, God, these people probably think I'm just fucking insane and probably, you know, I'll probably, I was there for three days. I was like, fuck. I wonder if anyone's going to hang out with me. And so we did the show. And I realized how much respect I have in that scene. And I was like, so I just want to say, thank you so much. Everyone, we talked, we laughed, you know. I got to see Chris Stapleton. He's the fucking man. Jesus. What a goat.

Same as American Aquarium, saw Lucas Nelson. It's been, it was nice to see the Americana scene, um, except a stranger. It's, it, the jam scene kind of does that in a way, but you have to, it's, it's harder. But the America, I was more worried about the Americana scene just like saying, ah, you know, there he is, that fucking drug addict or there it is, that fucking alcoholic party ban. And, uh, they actually gave me. a shot and they fucking loved it so i appreciate you guys giving me a shot um you know i've always been wanted to be in the americana scene you know it's like i listened to that music those are the

flowers i've always wanted to get them at that festival with all those amazing musicians that i admired i just want to thank you so shout out to uh tyler children for giving me the shot that was really nice and i was really stoked on that because uh you know we all want to get accepted i know it's we all want to say no fuck that fuck that but really you know deep down it feels good to have someone appreciate what you do you know and uh i'm not saying people don't appreciate what i do but you know sometimes you want a certain people certain type of people to appreciate what you do because you admire them so much so i just want to say thank you so much for uh you know just giving me the flowers and um giving me that uh open door to fucking roam around the cabin because boy did i

fucking roam around the cab that was a fucking blast oh man they gave you they gave me the fuck you pass which was fucking awesome i was like side stage for stapleton i'm fucking hanging out with the guitar tech i'm looking at um i love that shit i love the business of the music industry it just gets me high i was and also shout out to me didn't do any drugs i did I did take some mushrooms or some cougars I was at Matt my manager we went to his family reunion

and he's from Kentucky shout to Matt for flying out for three days but we had a Saturday day off and he's like you want to go he's like you want to go meet my family like like second cousins like in the sticks like Huntington Kentucky I'm like fuck it

I got nothing new I'm just going to be looking watching television television or walking around a festival, just getting sweaty. I'm like, let's go there. So he doesn't really drink, Matt. So I am like, I'll be your designated drinker, your D.D. And I got hammered with his family and saw some coup. It was a bunch of like older women and older crew and like people from the sticks, real American people.

I want to see what's going on because like I said last week. it's it's not a this isn't like a competitive thing of who's right and who's wrong in this country that's we are misunderstood because we're not talking to each other it's not about this fucking oh i my person won so i means i'm right and i'm winning or my person lost so that means i got to fight for not listen to the winner no it's we're not communicating we're only listening to the people in our fucking echo chamber and this is the problem with social media because you're not getting any outside voices besides the ones that your algorithm agrees on it's like to say that i'm not going to see clipper news i'm not going to see like the lost angel clippers like getting

jacked up because all i see is laker algorithm this is the problem with debate and this is the problem with America as a whole we are so divided with our opinions because we're forced to be divided with our opinions we're not hearing other opinions so we can't fucking know what's right and what's wrong

or just kind of talk through things all we are talking to is the cult that we're at only in like yeah yeah or whatever it is could be even jam bands like if you love goose all you're going to get is goose stuff you love disco biscuits all you're going to get is disco biscuits

It's the same thing with politics, and I'm not really a politic guy. I'm not, but I'm trying to, like, at least hear these people out, you know, because as my job as a songwriter and my job as a journalist, I think I'm a, all songwriters are kind of journalists in a way to give their opinion from the middle grounds of what you see and how you perceive the world, that you have to fucking hear both sides. And that's what we got to do. And maybe this week we could start doing that.

Maybe we could start having an open conversation. Go to your fucking racist fucking uncle. Go up to him. And without, don't be fucking passive aggressive. Just go out of conversation with him, have a beer with him. Go to that person you know doesn't agree with you. And just just have a conversation with him. And tell them in the, tell these people in the beginning,

I'm not trying to fight with you. Let's just hear each other out. No judgment. Let's have a non-judgment conversation and let's just hear each other out. So if it's one thing we could do this week, you know, sorry it's not about dick and fuck and cock jokes. But, you know, I've been thinking about this all week.

If we could just try, start with our family members. You don't have to go to strangers. You don't want to get like fucking, you know, there's some people with some crazy eyes out there. to fucking fuck with but like people you know you've been with your whole life you know and are like friends that you see your friends that are who have been changing go talk to them see what's up say hey man why do you agree on this and not judge him for it just let them talk and maybe they'll let you talk and that's how we'll have a conversation on how we can be in the middle

because at the other day we're all fucking stuck on this earth together okay there's no we're not cutting in and a half we're not going to get to mars in our lifetime the aliens probably won't come even though it'd be fucking sick if they came i would love to smoke a bowl with an alien say what's going on why are we like this and you guys are fucking crazy you guys are fighting over human to human shit when there's bigger things like different alien breeds or whatever i'd be sick to date an alien i'd be fucking sick to date an alien if i had a alien girlfriend be fucking legendary this is this is equal bops so bop you know from the galactoral you know it'd be fucking awesome she'd be like a little she'd be little like a little like a little

like but to be i'm like that's my girlfriend don't disrespect my girlfriend she's smarter than you she's smarter than me we make love just through our minds be sick i want to use my dick anymore be sick i'm over my dick i know i didn't want to talk about the dick i know we're talking about i'm over it i'm like i'm like an old man now i'm like done i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to be horny anymore i just want to i just want to love someone's mind i hope someone loves my mind like that's like this is why i'm like not in Denver. I'm like, fuck it. I'm just going to stay in West Virginia and watch some television. I got $2,000.

Maybe we'll go to Ireland or something. I'm like, use my dick anymore. Anyway, okay, sorry. I got on a rant. But it would be sick to date an alien. What'd you think? If they didn't, like, kill you? Like, if you didn't, I heard these Dempsey, Dempsey's crazy ass told me, like, if you touch an alien, they'll die the poison, blah, blah, blah. But if they were like, you could hang out with it and hang out with it.

of kind of hang out with the girl, the alien, or the man, whatever. I'm not judging what you want to date in an alien. And just go after and make love via brain, via conversation. How hot is that? That's what I'm looking for in a wife. I want to make love to you through your brain. Going back to what I'm talking about. Conversation.

Let's start having conversations again. Not with the people who you know are going to agree with you. now with the people have a conversation even if you don't want to start with politics start with a band you don't like i know there's a music podcast let's let's go let's just let's dumb it down here start with a fan of a band that hates your fair band and you hate their fair band and just talk and talk and talk about why they love that and you tell them why you love this maybe this will be a start to growing into talking to your racist cousin or talking to someone who doesn't believe in what you believe in. We're stuck here, people.

We have to get used to each other, because if we don't get used to each other, how are we going to survive another 20 years? Because this is turning into a fucking shit show, and we need to start communicating with each other. Okay, that's my rant. I got tour dates. This week, me and Little Stranger,

we're throwing our festival at Nelson's Legends near Cleveland. We've sold like almost 2,000 tickets. Thank you. I was always dreading throwing a festival and I was waiting for the right person to throw a festival with and, you know, a little strangers with my best friends and I'm just so thankful that you guys are committed to the bit. So holy smokes, we're at 2,000 tickets. I can't thank you.

You know, if we're going to have a fucking blast, we have all our friends there. I'm going to be hanging out for two days, so we'll play kickball with you guys. I'm going to go hang out in the tents. I'm going to hear your stories. I'm going to talk to y'all and I know I'm going to try to convince a little stranger to not stay up so late so they can hang out during the day too

because I like the day festival times so a little stranger and I holy smokes with big something cashed out damn skippy jarv sneezy float like a buffalo um

John's old band long mile that's gonna be fun too so grab your tickets and then the following week that's the following Oh, I'm recording in Nashville I don't have my phone on me but oh my phone's right there

and then the following week is what Oh, Harvest Fest No, oh, Bayless Frasco tour Yo, Whitesown, Indiana, I know I just played in Kokomo but come on out to that I know we played it last year I think Peoria's

already sold out and Michigan Ben Harbor is almost sold out but we need some help in Whitesown, Indiana. So spread the word to everyone. We got Nick Urlock come with us. We got Allie Crawl. She's pregnant. We're getting her pregnant ass out on the road with us.

It's going to be fun. Meet Bayless, Bayliss's wife. We have Sam Sutton. Um, Humphreys Merch guy who's tour managing. We have Steve Feinstein who's driving us in his RV. Then we got Gerlock. We got Ali. It's going to be a fucking blast.

So don't miss that. Shout out to volume.com. head to volume.com slash Andy Frasco to subscribe. Shout out to Gardinista, the guys you're. I'm going to go see Jason Mers, go get some FaceTime with him. But Gardinista, our brand ambassador for all things, fancy drinks. Grab yourself some Gardinista. And then we're doing the Baylor store, and then I'm trying to finish my record or at least finish the second half.

I'm like a halfway. I think I'm halfway. I thought I was closer, but now I've been digesting some of these songs. I need a few more types of songs for this thing. And then, oh, and then we're doing, I'm coming back to Harvest Fest, Benville, Arkansas. It's cool seeing Jesse Wells. Jesse Wells is a bad motherfucker. He was on the, he was on the Childers Festival.

But I used to play with him in a fucking Arkansas, Fayetteville, at Riley's. I used to play with him at Smoking Barrel. And now he's turning into the next Bob Dylan, which I'm so fucking proud of. So keep killing it, buddy. Um, and then, um, and then I'm off for a little bit. No, no, I'm on, I'm doing something in October. Oh, I'm torn with Warren Haynes. I have all a November off.

That's it. But it's gets easier. I have, I have like 10 shows in 80 days, which I'm like so fucking excited for to go chill out. I don't want to buy a new couch. I'm going to buy a new couch. I'm going to buy a big ass fucking TV. Okay, why not? not a little dough now

I'm gonna like instead I always try to go traveling I think we can go to Ireland in like Edinburgh um in February with uh my friend Aaron Ray it would be fun uh she loves castles and shit um that'd be cool to go there during the winter time

when it's like Harry Potter style and we fucking like wear scarves and like go to a castle and fucking do the Harry Potter thing that sounds fucking tight um But the first October, we're opening for Warren Haynes for a little bit. And, oh, we're doing a Boulder show, Roots Fest. Yeah, we got, I still got a little bit of work to do this October. But then it's record time.

Focusing on the record, focus on sit on that fucking couch. I'm going to buy the most obnoxious couch. I'm going to buy this, like, bed couch. I hope it fits my living room. But that's where I'll be residing for the winter, hibernating, getting ready, healed up. and then um i'm gonna buy a big ass tv too fuck it let's ride yolo american dream baby make some money go buy yourself a couch in our tv hell yeah all right guys i've been i've been ranting i'm supposed to be a 10 minute ran and no we're gonna do the interview with lucas nelson but um enjoy

lucas um i got a lot of history of this dude he's willie nelson's kid he doesn't like talked about his dad so i didn't i didn't want to bother him too much about it but i I got some questions in that kind of let him direct the, uh, the conversation about if you want to talk about us. We also talked about his mom too, which not a lot of people talk about, but Will it, Lucas's mom is a bad bitch, dude. She fucking had to take care of Willie when he was getting broken shit and like he was going through and traveling.

He had to raise the kids while he was traveling. And then Lucas was going through some shit. I mean, that's a strong woman, man, you know. every powerful man has an even powerful woman right next to them so shout out to all the ladies out there all right guys enjoy this lucas interview and i will catch you next week with nick nick and i will talk well i'll go deeper into the tyler children's thing and the yada yada and stuff and get some laughing in but um enjoy lucas and enjoy this podcast and also our number's been we've been tearing it up thank you for spreading the word um we have a new youtube page now you can't if you want to go

watch this on YouTube. We have a world saving podcast YouTube page because YouTube was getting all fucking fickle about me having music and having my podcast on there so I had to separate them. So at Andy Frasco, we'll just be my music. At World Saving Podcasts will be the podcast. All right, guys, enjoy it. And I'll catch you next week with my best friend, Nicholas.

Bye. Hello, everyone. It's Andy Frasco, your local drunk. We're here to support Gardinista. Gardening is to our sponsors. I've been subduing this from Jameson because I like the idea that there's ginger, lime juice,

and green herbs in this. So I kind of feel healthy drinking this. I mean, they got all these different ones. Like, I was kind of nervous about this bourbon cocktail, but it's bourbon whiskey and green herbs, lime juice, ginger, and jalapagia. It's got a little spice to it, but you put some ice in it,

and it's actually a cocktail. And like, I'm not really good at proportions. So it's already made for you. Look at this. It's cute, too. You could be on your table. You'd be like, Oh, look at you're sophisticated.

Do you want pop-off on your kitchen table, or do you want something that's pretty? Gardinista, vodka cocktail. Grab it. Tell them Frasco sent you. Round two with Lucas Nelson. How you doing, buddy? Doing great, man. How are you?

I'm good. You know, it's like, before we talk about what we were starting to talk about, I want to know what your take on is for the meaning of life. what do you think it is uh meaning of life uh i think life is kind of what you make it the meaning is you know you can you can add meaning to anything i feel like this table is just a table um but the meaning behind this table to you and i is this the one that we're next to as we sit together and talk about you know after we haven't seen each other in years and so you know this table has either no meaning or it has any meaning we can give it, right?

Totally. So, you know, I think that my life has a lot of meaning. And I think that's because I choose to give it meaning. Yeah, so when did you choose to give music your meaning? Well, music helped me find meaning in my life, you know. Do you ever have any dark parts in your life? Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. Well, man, I, I, I, I, I,

I was running from myself for here a long time, and I used work. I was always a workaholic, and I used, I used music. In a way, it was like a, it was helping me to cope with a lot of pain that I had when I was growing up. Just, I had some things happen to me when I was younger, and I had my brother passed away when I was living. little from suicide and that, I think, cast a dark shadow. How old are you when that happened? I was pretty young, but, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, of, of sort of, of, you know, pain and suffering and heartache throughout, it rippled throughout the whole family. And from that point on, I think everybody was, it was hard for my

parents not to come from a place of anxiety over protection sorrow you know you know I think it caused you know it's very difficult when something like that happens not to become to live from that place and to act from that place you know when that first happened did you feel like you're reckless did you know like being reckless was or did you just know how you're figuring out of cope it. I was figuring out how to cope with how my parents were coping with it.

Yeah. Isn't that crazy? How can we just follow trauma through how our parents deal with it? Yes. Yes. And I think that that I mean, that among other things, you know, not to good into my entire family history, but there were a lot of reasons when I was younger. I just

wanted to leave, leave, leave. Yeah. And I wanted to, I never wanted to rely. And that's a good thing in a way because, like, there was so much desire to just go out and be independent on my own because there was so much, at the time, there was a lot of pain and heartache in my family dynamic. And a lot of love and a lot, I mean, it wasn't, they weren't doing anything wrong. Right. It was just the way that things were. And so I was just needed to get out of there. and I started working really hard.

How old are you when that happened? Well, I don't remember. I was probably when the actual event happened, but... No, like when you started working hard. Oh, when I started working hard, I was probably around... Well, I started working... When I was about 11, I wrote my first song, and that's when I knew that I was going to be a songwriter and a musician,

and I knew I could just put all of my efforts towards that. And if I did that at that young age, then I just could... I could see a few. future there. So I just, I just went full on. Is it hard to ask advice for someone that's already doing it? I don't, I wasn't really one to ask for advice too much. You know, I just, you know, I just fucking out loud, dude. Well, I just would watch. Yeah. You know, I could observe how things

were happening. I, I was, I would learn, you know, from a lot of people around me. I was very, you know, obviously lucky that, uh, I was lucky that music found me, because I, I was, I was lucky that music found me because I think I think if it didn't then I'd be you know I don't know I'd be some I'd probably be dead too you ever get into drugs yeah yeah like but I feel like I like I got into the good ones mostly you know I was I never was see my brother who passed away he he was really into like the dark drugs and I call the dark drugs like you know I mean I think cocaine is one of them oh yeah I mean he was really into a lot of that kind of thing so in a way I'm grateful to him because his passing I wanted to be the opposite of what he was and I didn't want to do that to my parents

and to be that go down that path so I stayed away from a lot of that but I still had my own pain that I was running from and of course I also was wanting to explore and so you know I started smoking weed when I was really young and I started uh doing acid and I mean I was probably 13 when I did acid you feel like you had to raise yourself Um, no, I didn't feel like I had to raise myself. I felt like I had to, I mean, the dynamic between, um, my parents and I was something to navigate, um, until I was older and, you know, and knew myself enough to understand where they're coming from and then have, you know, I think understanding where my parents were coming from helped me to, really love them and accept them for who they are and not just have this woe is me mentality or victim mentality i didn't i never really wanted to be that so i just sort of was like okay

this is the situation i'm in i got to figure out how to work with it and well i mean in some ways i find that my youngest my younger self was the wisest self and and i like got away from it over time i like and then i had to come back to it you know well you know you you you you kind of get lost in dreams in life, you know? Right. You get lost in who you think you're supposed to be, you know? I mean, I thought because I was a musician that like my crowd and my crew and not, like, my identity, like we were talking about before, all of that was like, okay, weed smoking, doing mushrooms, doing acid, doing the whole thing. I still knew enough to stay away from the bad drugs because I wanted, I had such a singular vision and I knew that would distract me.

but I still got, like, pretty scary a couple times where I was, I drank too much. And, you know, there was one night in Chicago where I really, really screwed up and almost killed myself. And then that really kind of took me out for, how? I was 22 years old and I went on a bender and I was, man, I was snorting pills and drinking, I mean, by the end of the night, I was drinking straight vodka. Oh, my God. And I couldn't even taste it, you know, I was that numb. You wanted to end yourself? It wasn't that I wanted to end myself.

just was so I was going through a heartbreak and I was you know I was I was also facing this sort of dark night of the soul and in a way I was saying I was looking at myself and saying well what do I mean in the context of you know all my dad and all this stuff I'm like does anyone even care about my music does anyone care about who I am does it is am I doing it for you know the right reasons am I doing this because I want to do it and all these questions you know that I was actually masking the answers by using these substances though imposter syndrome yeah yeah well at the time i didn't have imposter syndrome actually because i knew i knew that i was doing what i was meant to be doing you know i just didn't know if anyone cared yeah you know no i

fuck i feel that complete this is why we're workaholics yeah because we're suppressing how we feel towards ourselves yeah yeah because we put our head down and distract us Well, and I've always felt, okay, I know what I'm meant to do. This is what saved my life. This is what I meant to do. I know I'm a songwriter, and I know I'm a singer, and I know I'm a guitar player, and I know that I'm a performer, and I know I'm, I can work, and I can eat, I can think, I can wait, I can think, and I can fast.

That's what Siddhartha always talks about, you know. I know I have everything within me to, you know, the, discipline to work hard and all this. And I have the talent. So I knew that I had those things. But what I thought at the time was that no matter how I worked, no one would ever care because I was, you know, it would always be assumed, you know, that I just had everything handed to me.

That's this bullshit because you're one of the hardest workers. I mean, we and you were in fucking vans together when we were 22 years old. Yeah. Well, and that was like what I was saying before is that when I stopped. When I stopped running away from myself, I realized that I didn't have to, you know? I realized that, like, that that was, the lie was that I, you know, was that I had to think about any of that at all. Yeah. And then the truth is, is that, you know, the only person I've been trying to prove anything to is myself, and I've already proved that to myself a long time ago.

Yeah. So, like, the only solution is, it just like, it doesn't matter. Or everyone outside, no, who cares? You know, like, at a certain point, I just have to keep working, you know. Yeah, and, you know, we're people who already see that we're going to make the finish line. Yeah. So before we get to the finish line, we get anxiety of getting to the finish line. Yeah.

You know, we're looking at the minor details of, like, fucking, when we're younger in our career and there's fucking 100 people there. When we know there's going to be thousands of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we knew that back in the day. Exactly. We knew it. And, man, I mean, every time I, I, I, I mean, every time I, I, I, I, every festival that we share together

people come up to me man did you hear Andy Frasco last night he fucking killed it was the fucking greatest shit in the world fuck yeah and then like the greatest party have ever been you know and then the same thing have you seen Lucas now that motherfucker can write a song that guy could sing he's in he's doing the back cartwheel oh yeah I'm not doing that much anymore

oh really no good you didn't you don't need to do it yeah that's kind of thing it's like I kind of started realizing okay a song is enough you know singing is And I realize that, like, you know, it's just a balance, putting on a show, but also making sure that people come for the right reasons and, you know, and, man, you know, we've been doing it a long time now. Yeah. I mean, this is the last couple of years I didn't rely on fucking drinking and crowd surfing to fucking make people remember me. I'm like, finally trusting that I have good songs, you know? That's it.

Yeah, yeah. I think what the most important thing about that is, is trusting ourselves that we don't need all that fucking shit. No, we know that we're good with ourselves. So who was the first person in your life when you're going through your, you know, your existential crisis? Who woke you up from it? Oh, that's a good question.

Man, I don't even think I woke up until after I did A Star is Born. Yeah. How'd that happen? Well, I was playing with Neil Young, and Bradley saw me playing. It was like Desert Trip. Remember when Neil did Desert Trip? Yeah, yeah. This was a great lineup of folks from Desert Trip.

And Bradley Cooper was there, and then he saw me playing with Neil and basically hired me on from there. And after Star is born, I had sort of a crossroads where I was like, okay, what is fame, you know? like what do I really want and I really felt like I wanted to just be I just wanted to keep working and do it for for the art of what I do do do it for the love of what I do and I didn't care about any of that other you know celebrity type of fame so I you know I kind of was like okay I got to keep I got to just keep moving on from this and I I found my manager that I still have Jeff Kramer, um, and he was the one who really helped me to realize the truth of my artistry, you know, and he, you know, what was that? Well, and just to, to help, he's the first manager I've

ever met that said, you don't have to do that. You don't have to do that. This is not a good look for you because it's, it's, it's, this is not, you know, you know, he's somebody who says, you know, wait, you don't have to play with your teeth. Yeah. You know, like you're, you have a, you have, you have songs like Find Yourself and just outside of Austin and forget about Georgia and God ain't done you know all these things

is like these are things that you this is what you leave behind you know this is what you want people to come away from your shows is saying these songs and these and now there's what we're seeing in the industry is like I think a real craving for that like

you know you'll go to a Tyler's... Yeah, Childers or... Stapleton. Or Zach Bryant. And you'll see the kids singing every word back. Right. You know?

And that is great. That's what we're doing it for. That's what we're doing it for. Well, that's what we talk about. Legacy. Yeah, exactly. That's what you wanted people to remember you when it's all said and done, you know? Yeah.

They're going to see us grinding our teeth. They're going to see us go through our mental breakdowns if we don't sell enough tickets and fucking bullshit, wherever town. Yeah. But they're going to also see that we wrote, you wrote Find Yourself. Like, what a fucking song, dude.

Yeah, and that song has taken me, you know, it helps me to realize that. And then the first song I ever wrote, it's called You Were It. And my dad covered it when I was really young. And I knew I didn't have to write another song after that because I was so happy with that one. You know what I mean?

And that was, I was 11. So it's circular, you know? It's like, you know, and in getting and this is funny that we're here because this this healing Appalachia is a benefit for

for people in recovery and people who have you know and I quit drinking three years ago I quit smoking three years ago we look buff you've been fucking working out I've been doing all that

yeah know let's fucking go I was like I look a couple of videos like motherfucker's swollen shit yeah well I just got I traded addictions is what I did you know

But I, at least it's healthier. Yeah, it's a lot healthier. And that's the thing is I'm sort of working towards a future and working towards longevity. And, you know, look, my dad's 92. You know, I want to live that long and I want to be healthy. Right. So tell me about, like, you know, your future self and how you want to approach the dream. How do you keep fighting for the dream after been beat down, beat up, kept getting back up, getting beat down again?

seeing the bill of the fucking tour tour buses and the fucking... How do you keep going, Lucas? Well, I mean, look, there was a time when that the tour buses and that those bills and all those I mean, it was too much.

You know, I had to strip down and you had to kind of go back into these smaller venues and then it comes back again. And it just, it's just like an up and down. I mean, I just remember stories. You know, dad would tell me, oh, yeah, me and Whalen

would play for 30 people sometimes, you know, at the height of our career, sometimes it's just promotion ain't there or you just, you know, it's a bad night, you know, whatever, you know, people that didn't hear that you're coming into town. And back then it was a lot different, you know, because it was just no social media. Yeah, none of that.

And so, like, you know, and he persevered, and I feel like that's just what I got to do. It's just like, you know, that's part of the job, you know, is to take the ups and the downs, you know. How do you not listen to the outside voices? Well, I mean, I do. That's what fucked up me too, bro. Yeah, yeah, I listen to, you know, I'm just trying to pick the right ones.

Right. I'm trying to, like, that's part of growing older, I think, and understanding getting wiser, having an experience is like, okay, which voice do I listen to, you know? You don't realize how much you've inspired me. When we were in our van, when I was, when we were in my van playing FIFA, you told me a story how you've been putting everything on your credit cards and how you're slowly paying them off. This is like 12 years ago.

When you're first starting the dream, you're like, I want to be independent. I'm putting this on my own credit cards. I'm doing this because I am fucking Lucas Nelson. I'm not a famous son. I am my own person. And that inspired me so much saying, like, we all can have our own fucking identity. We don't need to have everyone tell us who our identity is. And that's why I think it's such bullshit about people trying to like pinpoint.

I even think when people put you in genres, it's bullshit. Yeah, that's true, because, you know, for a long time, it's funny, for a long time I was playing straight rock and roll music. Dude, I remember, and like, everyone said, oh, that's country. Yeah. And then when I started playing actual country music, they're like, wait, that's not country. You know, it's like, you know. What's the fuck? Now, you know, now it's like kind of a balance, which, you know, but yeah, Americana, whatever it's called, you know.

That's bullshit. I think genres are bullshit. Yeah. I think why can't just be the artist you want to be in whatever song. you want to write you're a songwriter man you write you could write a full fucking spectrum of song yeah well i mean look at like the red clay strays you know i love that band man and they're i can't describe what their sound is yes i mean it's like it's soul it's country if anything i consider them are my music like country soul i mean you i listen to find yourself and i and it came right

from the al green sam cook oritha franklin world you know and that that world is what i mean lifts me up ray charles that kind of thing is I think Aretha Franklin is, you know, the tops for me, Nina Simone, you know, all these people. And then, yeah, and then with the country influence that my dad brought me, and then, of course, all the songwriters

growing up, you know. So, yeah, it's a mix of everything, you know. So what I loved about that first or find yourself was on that first EP or something, you didn't use symbols. Yeah. What was, what was the philosophy on that? Well, that was Anthony, you know.

He's just a good drummer. I think he's, you know, subtle. Didn't the producer, didn't, we said we're not even symbols. Oh, yeah, it might have been Mark Ronson, Mark, not Ronson, Mark, gosh, who, Mark Howard. Yeah. Yes. He might have said no symbols there. That's interesting. Yeah.

I don't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. I was listening to that. I'm like, there's not a symbol on this, on this record. Yeah. There's two versions of five years. No, the set, the one with Gaga, right?

Yeah. That's the first version, right? That's the second version. Yeah, tell me about that, too. Like, how did that come in the mix? Well, I was working on Starsborn, and her and I got pretty close, you know, and she came and saw me play one time and then really liked that song. And I thought, well, shit, sing it with me, you know, and so we recorded it, and she sang it with me. That's fucking sick.

And then she sang on a bunch of other tracks on that record. She sang on that one and Carolina. Oh, yeah, that's her voice. Yeah, yeah. This is a call to action. You guys love this podcast. This is your way to support us. Head over to volume.com

slash Andy Frasco and support the podcast. It's five bucks a month. You're going to get extra podcast episodes, extra Nick episodes, Monday morning motivations. The whole nine keep this podcast going because I love doing it and I want to just be part of this forever.

We just need your help. So head over to volume.com slash Andy Frasco. Subscribe to our only Frasco podcast because without you, Nick will be on the street. And do you want Nick to be on the street? No, I don't want him to move into my house either.

Okay, so you either subscribe to this or Nick will be on the street. All right, bye. Okay, so tell me about songwriting. So what's your philosophy right now as a songwriter, how you are approaching writing real stuff? Yeah, so songwriting to me is like, it's like there's a little, I feel like there's like a muse, you know, and you wait for the muse to give you gifts. Right. Right, right. I don't try to force songs to come, you know. I'll go and I'll sit down to write if I, you know, have, you know, with some good writers in Nashville or whatever. And a lot of times because I think because I honor the muse and she's up there like giving me gifts and I'm receiving them often, she continues to give them to me. So I try and pay attention anytime I get inspired, even if it's in the middle of the night.

Yeah. And then I'll go and write. If I hear a melody, if I hear something, I'll go and put it. wake up oh yeah in fact i just remembered because we were just talking about this that last night i dreamed a melody and i remember like like i was snoozing kind of in that place where you're like right before ram you know like when you're waking up in the morning and then you go back to sleep oh yeah and i had this melody and i like literally woke up and sang the melody in in my voice memo and then went back to sleep so and i was remember it was in my dream When you woke up, was it a good melody? I haven't heard it since.

I forgot about it completely. Are you always, is that your brand's always writing songs? Yeah, always. Like, you know, that's everything for me. You know, continually, like, putting colors down. It's like painting. You care about that more than guitar? Because I see you playing piano a lot more, too.

I care about songwriting as much as guitar. I wouldn't say more. Who's your guy? Who are your guys? Songwriting? Yeah. Paul Simon, Bob Dylan. Dad, Chris Christopherson, Roger Miller, Neil Young, obviously the Beatles and, you know, Zeppelin, you know, these guys.

But I feel like more like, I kind of like the, I tend to lean towards a more simple lyrics, you know. Was Zeppelin, I like the songwriting, I like the arrangements more. I think that's kind of like, and then I love, the lyrics are so cool, like the visions, like Mordor and you know like that kind of like Lord of the Rings epic sort of expansive kind of thing I'm less I think I think I'm more like stripped down like trying to say only what needs to be said type of thing you know that at least that's what I go for you know what's your philosophy on a timeless song on a timeless song I mean it's subject you know its opinion to you to me um you know it stands the test of time, right?

If I'm still sitting in my car and I'm playing a song and it still affects me like it did 20 years ago, then that's a time of a song to me. Like, only love can break your heart or, you know. So, like, get in the point to the lyrics and not just, like, making this whimsical thing like Zeppelin did, or is it, does it matter? I think what matters is the balance between it. You know, like Zeppelin were amazing in that they had such incredible

musicianship along the whole spectrum that they were able to take those sort of fantastic lyrics and fantasy lyrics and make that sound cool in the context of their music so it really kind of takes a great production and

arrangement stuff in order to make that not be cheesy as fuck right exactly you know like you have to be able to do the whole thing in order to pull that off that's why that was so incredible I think what you talk I mean people don't realize you were Neil Young's backup band

for a while. What did Neil teach you about songwriting? Neil, again, like I never asked for advice. He was just like I'd watch, you know?

And Neil had a very, Neil has a very, like, detail-oriented approach to things. You know, he's more, he's really hands-on with every,

almost every aspect of his art. You know, and so, and he's very sounds-driven, like he, you know, he's got his amp system that he invented, you know,

with the whizzer, which is like, it's like, you know, analog, it turns the knobs on the amps when you hit a button, but it turns them analog, so it overdrives the amps. It's pretty cool, like his whole, his whole situation is really cool. I want to, I want to turn this thing to, you know, we always, everyone wants to hear about what your dad and you have a relationship, but I want to hear about your relationship with your mom. Yeah.

What's, what, tell me about your relationship with your mom. Well, I mean, you know, my mom has kept my, dad alive right and healthy um at the expense of i think her own yeah you know fucking sanity in some cases you know uh i i think she's really the most selfless person i've ever yeah you know known did she teach you how to love uh well they both did you know but then they both love in different ways you know how does your mom love it's a little tougher you know but it's also it's also

all-encompassing you know i mean i know my mom's is one of those people will say what she means no matter what at any point in time and i and i appreciate the honesty and the directness you know and that's i look for that and other people also when i'm looking for you know my mom's a brilliant woman too she's very very very smart and very um you know she's very wise and sad you know and and so I think they're both really powerful people and so they compliment each other they're kind of like the opposites yeah you know but they really compliment one another what did she tell my mom my dad is very smart very wise but in a different way yeah you know how

do he teach you how to love you know he taught me how to love and trust in love and not be around you know like I that that like I learned how to love from far away with my dad I, because every, my dad is, you know, he, his style of love is when he's with you, he's 100% with you. Right. And when he's, when you're in the room with him, he's in that room. Yeah. He's not on his phone.

He's not in a dad, you know, that unless he's playing dominoes. Yeah, yeah, he loves that. Yeah. But, you know, but like, he's, when you're talking, he's there. He's, he's. And then when he's gone, he's gone. Right. You know?

And that is where I feel like I'm more like that when it comes to like, because I have a hard time being and keeping in touch with people sometimes. Because wherever I'm at, I'm here with you. Exactly. And so when I'm, you know, sometimes, that's been hard, like relationship while. 100%. That's why I was talking about love because I'm asking you for advice because, you know, I've been on this road for 15 years like you, 16 years. Yeah. And it's been hard for me to keep a relationship because I'm so present in the love.

moment that because we're present in the moment they feel like we're abandoning them yeah well and i learned when i was young that just because my dad was gone didn't mean he was abandoning me and that was a really that was a really important lesson and not everyone i mean some people have abandonment issues and mike does micah no i think we both yeah you guys seem are pretty solid on yeah and i think that that i think that you just have to find someone who doesn't have abandonment issues because you have a girl no not right now but i you know i've been seeing you know i've been seeing someone and so that's kind of like you know i'm trying yeah i'm trying to open up you know and i it's just before i commit i have to be really certain i

was with someone for eight years actually you were probably you remember her you remember christina yeah i remember christina very well yeah i mean we were together for a long time when i was 19 to 27 probably and oh my god damn yeah we've known each other of a long time yeah because I remember Christina

yeah that was a bad breakup too right no no not at all or was it like back and forth it was very back and forth that's for a long ass time okay that's what I thought I thought I was like

we were there we're not no but we were never we were never unkind to each other ever you still love her oh yeah always

yeah but she's got a family now and like a husband and kids and I check in with her you know and make sure she's cool but they're happy

and I'm happy for them, you know. Do you regret not committing? No? No, no, no, no. Well, I'll clap to that. No, no, I don't regret. No, I don't have any regrets. You know, everything up to now has been a learning experience,

and I feel like I'm right where I'm supposed to be. Totally. So with that new form, is it why we don't want to commit right away to someone because we don't trust that they're going to, like, accept our hearts? For me, it's, it's, I just know. what it feels like to be in love and I know what it feels like

to be you know it's a cosmic feeling that just doesn't come often yeah and it either it's either there or it's not and that you know I just think sometimes I think it takes me a long time before

before I fall in love right you know I hear that and I and I and so I have patience and I think the one that I end up with will have at least the same patience that I have, you know? I want to ask you this in a way that doesn't

make us sound selfish, but do you think we'll ever find love like we have love for our music? Well, music is God to me. I mean, I know a lot of families that put God above even their family. And music's that to you. Yeah.

This is why you're the goat. Yeah. This is why you're a goat. You know? But that putting... So, so when people say, departmentalize that. I mean, if you look at it like, okay, I mean, I know I could, I could show you on Instagram how many Instagram families are like, God, family, yeah, kid, you know what I mean? Life, work, these are the orders of things. Yeah. But God always first. Yeah. And that's God is music to me. I don't think there's a difference. So what about love? Love and God are the same to me.

So, but family love and, you know, commitment and the logistics of starting a home, you know, Those are all, to me, that's different than love. Yeah. Love is what starts that, hopefully, but I mean, how many times do you met somebody where that wasn't even, you know, it was an arrangement or it was comfort or it was settling for, you know, you know, what looks good on paper and, you know, and I'm just not willing to do that, you know. You think as we get older, do you feel like you're losing hope, but you'll find love or do you believe you'll find it? No, no, no. I mean, my dad was 55 when he had me. Yeah, that's true.

You know, he went through three wives, and then my mom was his fourth, and they've been together almost 40 years. So, you know, I just think I have a lot of, I mean, hopefully I have time, you know, and knock on wood, but, you know what I mean, but like, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm just not going to go through, I'm just not going to go through three marriages first. Right. That's how I am too. I'm going to pick someone. I'm going to pick someone. I'm not going to go and divorce. I'm not going to.

Oh, yeah. When I'm in it, I'm in it. Okay, I got a couple more I know you gotta get to your show No, no. I'm talking to you I really need this talk because I feel like we're very similar

and in our our brain is all about just trying to write music and just, I believe music is my God too. Yeah. And sometimes in my brain I feel like I'm being selfish because I'm not keeping up

with relationships, like friends and stuff. How do you departmentalize that? I mean, do people say it's selfish when they become a monk or they devote themselves to God or they become nuns or whatever you know I mean I don't I just I don't think so

I think music saved my life it kept me from destroying my or and other people's perhaps lives I think it's a win-win for everyone I think it spreads joy and I think that I don't I think God created music for that very reason and I'll

you know yeah I put it I put it it it's my it's the most important thing in my life right now and whomever I love and wants to share my life and wants to share a life with me

will understand and hopefully be you know in the same religion you know I'll clap to that too let's go Lucas what did your

you know talk about your mom having given you hard love how what type of hard love did she give you when she found you were snoring pills

and shit well she never knew that that was after I was gone after I mean I was already out of the house by 17 Oh, my God.

I mean, I was... So who gave you hard love? I actually didn't do... I didn't even drink really until college, and then I started drinking more then, and I didn't really do much drinking, to be honest. It was like a very quick in and out, you know. Well, thank God.

Yeah, yeah. But you hit it hard, dog. I hit it hard, yeah. Everything I do, I do 100%. Yeah. You like working out, too? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, when I first started working out, I hired a trainer. He was like, damn, dude. Like, you're, you're doing the same fitness routine that the wide receiver that I work with in the NFL is doing, you know? And I just was like, yeah, but, you know, I love it. Do you have workout buddies? In Maui, I do, yeah. Well, you know, because in Maui, I wake up, I go to the gym, the same gym, and you see people, you know, and, you know, you end up really creating relationships with people, you know, in friendships as you go in there.

And everyone, luckily in that gym just does their thing and lets you do your thing. but sometimes it'll be like, hey, let's do some workouts together. And I really love that, you know. So did you, do you feel like Maui is, do you have cabin fever out there? Do you still love it? No, not at all.

Not at all. You'll die there? Oh, man. Like at 120? I feel like, yeah, I feel like I would be lucky if I did, if I did, you know, like. Bro, you got the gene. You're going to 120. Well, no, I mean, lucky to die there.

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? like Maui I can't imagine a heaven that's more beautiful right like I literally I can't imagine you know maybe I'm not I'm human obviously so I'm not even

capable of imagining heaven but I can't even I can't imagine how it could be more right just stunningly beautiful and peaceful than that place I was thinking about you when those fires hit dude because that was your home and you're like do not come I saw your I saw your met do not come here travelers, you know, like, we need to heal.

Well, no, that wasn't me. Who was it? That was Jason Mamoa, I think. Oh, it's okay. Yeah, you know, I was actually on the opposite. I was like, a lot of people were saying, don't come. But what they were trying to say is, if you come, come with respect. Yes, exactly.

And I think the message actually was really difficult because the unfortunate truth is that, like, when you have a town, right, in the U.S., Yeah. And as of now, Maui's in the U.S., it would be, if it became a sovereign country, then that's, I'd be so happy, but also scared that someone like China would just come in and take it over immediately. Right. So, but the, the, the bottom line is, is that we all are, you know, we use the roads, we use the infrastructure, we use the, we use the economy of the United States in Hawaii. Right. And like any other U.S. area, territory, and state, it relies on local businesses to thrive. And the local business, one of the main local businesses there is tourism, right?

But it's a double-edged sword because part of the reason the fires happened in the first place was because of the water in the hotels and the golf courses and all that, you know. And so it's like it's a vicious cycle because you know. need the tourism. The locals are pissed a lot of them when they have to shut down their businesses and move away. Or, you know, a lot of the local fan... I mean, I think a real tragedy of those fires really was...

A local economy? Was the economy. Yeah. It really... It really hurt. Broke my heart thinking about the economy like that. And then people not understanding the difference between not coming and then like coming with respect. Because

what the problem is, is that, you know, it is a spiritual place but people sometimes people come in their country club shorts and fucking shit on it and literally just throw trash on the side of the road you know desecrate

the reefs desecrate the land you know and that that is just coming there with no respect so I think there's a balance that needs to be struck where you when you come you have respect for the island you have respect for the natural beauty it's not it's not Disney it's not a theme park it's not like oh look at those you know let's get a coconut honey and

you know here we are in hawaii you know exactly it's a different thing yeah look going to that like the locals what it had the local what how long to take for the locals to accept you well i was i was there since i was one year old holy fuck i didn't not know that yeah so i was you know i mean i was still a howley i was still a white boy yeah i was like a white boy local guy so You know, I, you know, I was, I grew up with every, all the pro surfers there, Matt Miola, Albi Lair, Tori Meister's there, although he's in, you know, he's, you know, so all my friends are there. Yeah. Frankenrider? Donovan, Frankenrider.

He wasn't in Maui too much, but, yeah, I know, we all, we know him real well. He's, he's a good mutual friend of ours, yeah. But, yeah, I mean, the surf community, the good thing about the surf community there, and I was a skater, too. so I was skate skateboarding a lot and is that you know it it was a place where like locals and like no matter the color your skin kind of thing you know people were like you know everybody kind of respects each other and that's the thing I never had any issues because I I never was a fighter like that you know like I didn't look for fights you know I did martial arts not as young and my in my dojo they taught you know self-respect self-discipline not to look for a fight Do you Texas people give you shit because you're a local Maui boy

writing these songs? Who? Texas people? No. I mean, I was born in Austin and I had my first eight years going back and forth between Maui and Austin. So why'd you pick Maui?

Well, I think my mom wanted to raise me there because they knew that I wouldn't be raised you know, I was less the son of Willie Nelson there and I was more Lucas Nelson, you know, Lucas, you know, and I could be Lucas in Maui. And, like, you know, in Texas, you know, dad was, especially at the time, you know, royalty there, you know,

and I would have been treated differently. And just because you treated better doesn't mean that's a good thing. Right. You know. And it goes back to our first question. I'll end it with this, identity. Yeah. Maui's identity to you.

Maui is part of my identity. Yeah, it's fucking beautiful. It's a beautiful place. I'm going to be grateful to it, you know. Well, I'm so, you know, it's like, I know we're friends from afar, but I'm really proud of you, bro. Oh, man, you've always been my brother. I got you, dog. Yeah, same.

I'm always, be there forever for you. Yeah, likewise. You're a good man, and I respect the fuck out of you, and I respect that you're doing this your own fucking way. That's what I bow down to? I bow down just as low, man. I appreciate it, brother. So my last question is, you know, when it's all said and done, what do you want to be remembered by? Oh, man.

I don't care. That's a perfect way to end this. I don't care. The sun's going to explode, man. We're going to be all... Aliens are going to show up soon. Yeah, I mean, AI will just, like, archive it anyway. Yeah, exactly.

On that note, Lucas Nelson, keep fucking up and keep fucking this shit up. I'm going to keep fucking up. And keep fucking up, too, brother. Good to see you, bro. Thank you.