Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - Metalheads, Bluegrass Fans & Vegas Chaos with Torrin Daniels

Episode Date: June 16, 2026

On this episode of Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast, Torin Daniels from Kitchen Dwellers joins Andy and the crew for a hilarious conversation about metal music, bluegrass culture, touring life, Ireland, Planet Fitness memberships, blown-out knees, and one of the strangest Vegas weekends imaginable. The conversation dives into why metal fans might actually be the nicest people in music, the surprising overlap between metal and bluegrass musicians, and how both scenes attract passionate communities. Torin shares stories about discovering underground metal bands, playing packed and nearly empty shows, and why technical musicians often gravitate toward both genres. They also talk about touring with Kitchen Dwellers, life on the road, band dynamics, fan culture, songwriting versus jamming, and the realities of surviving in today's music industry. Plus: Vegas metal shows, Wizard of Oz at The Sphere, Irish drinking culture, tour buses, festival life, and some unforgettable tour horror stories.

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How's your heads? How's your minds? How are your dreadlocks? We have touring from the kitchen dwellers here tonight to talk about our awesome tour. Banger. What's up, buddy? How are you all doing?

How you feeling? I saw you in Mexico for a split second. We did. We did hang in Mexico. we jammed with that that Mexican surf rock band Whoa, dude How is, I was gonna go to Goose too

I was like, why am I gonna leave? I see, I go to festivals all the time I should just stay and not take drugs. That's what, yeah, that's what uh, because Scotty Stoughton was there too at the same time in Lavantana. Yeah. And he was gonna come too.

We had got him all passes and for the fam and everything and he texts us stay up. He's like, I just cannot bring myself to go to a festival right now. And I was like, I get it. Let's talk about Toto Santos first. Dude. Do you love it there?

I love Toto Santos. That was a revelation getting to stay there. Isn't it crazy? Yeah. It's just so beautiful there. And like, there's something in the energy fields. It's like, it reminds me to Sedona. You ever hang out of Sedona?

Yeah, dude. The vortex? The vortex. The vortex. It's, Toto Santos is exactly like that, but you don't have a bunch of, rich grandmas from L.A. telling you that the vortex is there. I actually, we'll clap. Funny.

Torin. You've been on a whirlwind. We are going on the Kitchen Dwellers Frasco Tour. It's going to be awesome. We are. Yes. How your fans are feeling about it? I think they're stoked.

I think there's some pretty good crossover. Yeah. Our fans are generally as far as fan groups go. I feel like we're pretty lucky. Yeah, you guys got a really friendly fucking fanbush. Yeah, they're not often dicks to people. You got a couple dicks who are in my DMs, but... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Can I present my theory why that is? Why, why, why. Because remember we were talking, as I was leaving that one gig about traditionalism and bluegrass? Oh, yes, totally. And you guys are kind of non-traditional bluegrass, therefore you don't draw in the traditional sort of bluegrass fan that can be kind of rude online,

and I think that's why your fans are nicer than other bluegrass fans. Yeah, they come... knowing exactly the type of people that we are, because we're not very subtle about it either. Exactly. No, it's like the lost boy syndrome, too. Like everyone who's like not fully bluegrass traditional, but still need a place to go.

Yeah, yeah. Because you also are punk rock as fuck. Yeah. You're fucking pop punk as fuck. Basically, you guys are like us in different genres. Because, but our same core of how we grew up music-wise is brand new. is fucking TBS, is all the, Alclan trios.

Green Day. Yeah. But there's still no drummer, right? No drummer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Radically inclusive.

That's how you, that's how you, that's how you, keep the punk rock ethos going. Yeah. Is you just be radically inclusive. You let everyone go. What, so you guys have been on a whirlwind. So what's how you're feeling about the trajectory? It's been killing.

Good. Yeah. We're feeling good. Yeah, this has been like, this is the busiest I've ever been. Do you like it or not like it? I love it. I fucking love it. I have this year, I decided that I may have overpromised a little bit.

You got to stop doing all the sale trips, all the extra trip. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, there's like, there's lots of, there's this new, this new like market for adventure picking, as we've been calling it. As Anders, Anders calls it. And so now there's, like, yeah, rhythm and sails, River Wondergrass. Like, we're talking about doing, like, other...

Wilderness trips, Mexicos. There's heli ski, the heli ski grass now that Kang does. The most mobile genre. Hold on. Shut the fuck up. There's a heli ski. So you go on a helicopter, you go down skiing, and then there's Michael Cain fucking ripping it up.

It's like, well, yeah, it's Michael King and Mark Morris. So it's like, not only are you watching them play at the end of the day, but also all day long, you're watching them just out ski your ass. Oh, is really good. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Mark is, Mark's a, he is what I would call a professional skiing. He gets paid to ski for sure.

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Have we reached the point in the musical experience where you need to, like, jump off a helicopter to go? Can't just watch music anymore. Everybody outside. All right, guys. Here's the thing. I know you've seen us play a thousand times.

Yeah. But we're going heliskeying. Yeah. And then I'm coming in there. Yeah. Like it started. The expectations have only continued to get higher every minute that music has been played. So like in the 50s, like they were super impressed that Johnny Cash could just like start everyone clapping on the two and the floor.

And then like, you know, the John, Jim Morrison came along and he didn't face the audience. And they're like, wow, that's fucking crazy. But now it's 2026, so you have to bail out of a fucking helicopter. It's so funny. Yeah, it's like we reach the, like, what's next? We're going to have to go to the moon. The next NASA mission is going to be bluegrass, Apollo 15, trip around the moon, featuring kitchen dwellers. It's Apollo 420.

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Bluegrass on the moon rocks. Yes. We're going to be the first person to establish a bluegrass colony on Mars. Well, we didn't say that. We did say bluegrass and moon rocks, though, which you can find on Andy Frescoeco, kitchen dweller tour.

Yes. There will be a guy selling them. When you get to the, at the door, if you buy an extra 20 bucks, it'll be a guy giving you one moon rock. You're going to see a Camino with no wheels on it. But the good thing about like bluegrass music is you don't need to be amplified. You could basically go into the wilderness and do these cool special experiences, which like it's harder for a rock band to do.

Totally. Yeah. And it's, uh, for whatever reason, attracts that type of person too. Like there's not like there's there's usually like never you never encounter a bluegrass band where at least one guy in it is not outdoorsy in some capacity. Toran you look hungover shit today. I went I saw I hung out with two Irish bands last night. They could drink. They it is what was explained to me by the guys in Doug, which is a great band.

Yeah. It's a great band name by the way. Shout to AJ. Is it Doug for fucking man or? Okay, sick. Yeah, past of dig. Yeah, past presence of dig, yeah. So they, yeah, but they told me,

because the first time they met us was they came and opened for us in Montana, which is like, Montana, people definitely absolutely drinking Montana. Yeah, heavily. And Connor and Johnny were like observing the people there and they were like, they're like, I get it.

They're like, people definitely drink here. But in Ireland, it's kind of like the main fucking event. Yeah, yeah, it's so cold. I mean, you're just in the pubs. And also like the songwriting, approach is different there because like they're writing and playing music in the pubs. Yeah. Yes. Which fucking rules.

The whole culture. Which absolutely rules. Yeah. It's like it's so inviting to get wasted and sing these folklore songs. And they're badass. And they don't, and no one's solos. It's like, it's like bluegrass but no one like no one takes an improvised solo. I'm out. I'm out. I'm kidding. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You gotta have like 20 fucking verses. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But so that's the idea is that by the time you get to the end of the song, everyone has figured out the fucking melody. if they're, no matter if they're wasted or not. Are they taking you on a European tour? I think, we've talked about this. Yeah, I think that is the goal.

Cool. Yeah, I would love to see that. I would love to see that too. Hopefully it happens. Yeah, yeah. Especially after, yeah, meeting The Scratch last night. Great, great fucking band. Dude, isn't it cool that, like, they're punk rock.

Dude, you guys would be so good in Ireland. Yeah, yeah, that's what they have almost any, Irish person that is in the music scene has told us that we would get along well out there. There's such a crossover. I mean, it's kind of banjos. I mean, just like, your bluegrass is sort of born out of Irish traditional music. Totally. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. But also, you're such a crossover. You could play with a metal band and you could play with, like, you're like Amigo the Devil. Have you ever? Oh, yeah. He's, yeah. Amigo the devil is cool as hell. Dude, and he plays with all these metal bands and opens for him.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He, like, opens for, yeah. Yeah. The Scratch guys told me, what, the first time they came to America, they were opening for, I think it was like Dropkick Murphys. They were like on a punk bill. Interesting. But the acoustic guitar player in that band, he plays an acoustic guitar, but he told me last night that he has the pickups from the guy from Mushuga in his acoustic guitar, which is fucking badass. That's crazy. That's crazy. What do you love about metal music? Why do you love it so much? I think

this has always been my outlook on metal music is that it's actually weirder to like metal music if you're not a musician because then you're just into it for like the folklore of like

you know if you're a musician you like go to a metal concert you're like damn that is crazy impressive that's super technical wow I did no wonder but like the guy that's not into music like not a musician

that's going to the metal show is like going there to like fly an eagle into Valhalla so like you're scary those guys are way weirder. Yeah. I went to Vegas

and I walked into this metal show. I just walked in. This place called The Griffin. It was all these like metal bands from Ohio actually. And there was 15 people there. All dudes long hair. Yeah. Kind of balding. There's an archetype. And just not even, they're not even rocking out. They're just doing this. Because they're all probably all metal bands too judging. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was cool. They were fucking

into it and like supporting like they probably never heard that band wait to talk go with you to that yeah was is this what you did after you went to paul anka yeah went straight there insane you had to cleanse the palette what timeline are you living on where you go with odd glass and then i went to wizard of oz at the sphere that was the fucking that's crazy that's the most that was the most beautiful thing i've ever seen that's what the sphere is best at i probably the movies yeah yeah i was wondering what movie they're not even it's not even good for drug bands it's better for what movie you know it'd be funny What movie should they do next?

The Hangover, too. But, you know, it's like I was, I'm like, I don't know, I've just been so interested in metal music now lately. I've been following all these metal bands and following all these, like real deep punk bands, like piss. Piss. This girl fucking rules, dude. I've never heard of him.

She's saying such poetic shit, and she's such a fucking badass, dude. And she's fucking in there. This band called Haywire I love now. Sick. But now my algorithm's showing me all those middle-level bands who are like Doing a hundred cap in Tokyo Yeah you know and seeing all these Asians fucking just know every dude You know loves metal like South America like oh yeah

Subtino and Chile they go up down there yeah Bultra is from Brazil yeah they love that shit down there yeah So when you when you first said I'm introduced a metal to the kitchen dwellers Yeah how'd that go uh it actually went over pretty well because Joe is super into Metallica. That's so funny. Joe can play like, I would not even see that. Joe can play like all of the like

Cliff Burton like pulling teeth, that whole bass. Really? Thing. Yeah, he like knows that by heart. I don't think he, I don't think he can play it on Upright, but he can play, he plays a bunch of other Metallica shit on Upright all the time,

but teases it. And then Swain was actually in a metal band in high school. Uh, that was called Disturb the Peace. Yeah. And he's such a high school metal band. I'll fucking clap to that. Yeah.

Yeah. And, um, in Montana. No, no, uh, in, well, he's from Talley ride. He's from Talley Ride. Oh, he's from Tilly Ride. So, uh, the first time we went to Tillyard Bluegrass Fest, and, um, when we were, like, kind of like, before we were a band, we were like, I was probably like 19.

And we all stayed at the Swain's house. And his mom showed me a burned, like, like, They made a burned CD of their songs of Disturb the piece from when Swain was in, like, eighth grade. And then the cover of it is just like a folded up, printed out photo of like Swain and like these other kids in the garage when they're in eighth grade. And I stole that CD from Swain's parents' house. I still have it. What did it sound like? Bad.

That's kind of like a fucking love it. Like there's a crossover between bluegrass and middle of this and like the technique. Yeah, what's the, 100%. What's the parallels? a metal in bluegrass. I think it, like, there's like a

trend as you get older that you like, maybe you grew up playing punk or metal and then you start to like, you basically gravitate towards more acoustic music that like I see with

a lot of our musician friends that play bluegrass. But yeah, part of it is definitely like the technicality. Yeah, Billy, Tuttle. Oh, I forgot Tuttle was a metal head. Yeah. That makes sense.

Yeah. Tuttle, yeah. Molly Tuttle? No, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, yeah, yeah. That'd be awesome, no relation. Molly title. Well, she loves, she loves Rancid, actually, which is crazy. Oh, sick.

Yeah. Yeah. She covers a Rancid song. It's like on her album. Why do you think these guys don't go into metal? Is it not as approachable? I think it's, I think maybe you start that way and it's hard. I don't know, it's, I feel like it's loud, maybe.

Harder to break through. It's like, I feel like, you know, it's probably a little disheartening. Yeah. horrible for these bands like there was five bands on this bill and they're all doing 25 minutes and then like you know you're fucking just 15 people yeah do the math player you're gang banging I feel like you're at like a like a swap meet of merch people just trying to get one shirt sold yeah totally yes yeah we're fortunate we only disturb you don't even need an opener or you get one opener yeah your fans get pissed when there's openers no no no I don't

Our fans are pretty good about it, but they are definitely vocal about it when they don't like the opener. For sure. Yeah, name a band. Yeah, name a band. Well, we're not like, you're not saying this. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not saying this. It's usually a genre thing, too. Yeah, it's usually a genre thing.

I feel like, well, Doug is like the one that we've gotten like the most positive response. They're like, that's the best, so many people tell us, they're like, that's the best opener I've ever seen at your shows. Yeah, so it's pretty parallel, but dot. And also, those dudes write fucking killer songs. Great songs and great, like, crowd control. Like, they make people do, like, dances and shit. Yeah, mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, people do that at shows.

Shut the fuck of, Nick. I'm not making fun of it. They're from Ireland. They're literally from Ireland. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. Okay, so what, how, now you're, what,

one year into Denver? Yeah, almost two. Almost two already? I think so, yeah. How you feel it? Good. I feel good. You're in love?

I'm in love, yeah. Are you in love with the city? Is it hard to go out? Do you feel like you have to take drugs and party every night? No. No, no. And I don't really go out. When I'm in town, yeah.

I don't see you much. I don't really go out when I'm, because I'm hardly ever in town. So what do you do? I mean, I go to the fucking gym every day. Really? Yeah. What gym are? Try.

I just got to Planet Fitness. We should work out together. You got a P-Fitty? No, but I get in there. Yeah. My band, they gave us like, they gave, we have seven memberships for the band, just in case they want to shower. Hell yeah. Oh, that's greasy.

Have you done that before? What's that? You should get the whole band Planet fitness memberships. They don't have showers, though. Yeah, they do. Oh, maybe some do and some don't. They do. Okay, okay.

And then you could park the bus there, and then they could go work out and shower. That has never occurred to me. Yeah, because they're all 24-hour lots in a plane of fitness. Andy Frasco tour is dirty. Sure is. You can shower. I feel like it's a waste of money

because everyone stays up on the bus till 4 a.m. And then they're not going to go work out. I'm like, why are we parked here? Go to the venue. I'd rather go have a coffee than go to the Target Starbucks. I fucking hate those Starbucks and those targets. Oh, so bad. Just so bad.

I can't. It's the perfect marriage of two businesses, though. They are. Yeah, yeah, just like two of the... Just like they're made for each other. So what are you doing? What are you working out? You're just doing cardio?

You doing lifting? I usually try to do both. I usually feel like, because you go on the road and then you come back home and it's usually like, I feel like I'm constantly like trying to catch up with myself. So usually, yeah, usually it's like you come back and you're like, the first two days are going to be really shitty. And then after that, you kind of get back into a groove. But yeah, I go to...

Yeah, I try to go to... go to the gym every day. Then I'm at home. Like, do, like, 30 minutes of cardio. Mostly, like, resistance cardio because I fucking... Yeah, elliptical. Threw my knee out. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, last time I was on here, we talked about that. Yeah, and so now... Have you heard this story? No. His dreads are so powerful. Dude, I disliked my knee on stage at the poorhouse in Charleston. Uh-huh. I've been there, yeah.

Yeah, been there. And, uh... It's crazy. And yeah, I was just like head banging And I just like turned weird And my knee just like jumped to the side of my leg And I just fucking went down And then the rest of the band

Just thought I like fell down And so they were all like standing over me Like they're like, are you gonna get back up? They thought you were like drunk or something Yeah, yeah they were and like we were still playing the song The song was still going And I like went to stand up and I was like Oh shit can't can't straighten my leg out

Did you stop the show? We finished the song Okay okay I finished the song laying on the ground That's hilarious Dude, ACL is real deal. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was... MCL? M-P-F-L.

Whoa. Whatever that is. There's so many nicknames. Yeah. Nicknames? Yeah. Abreves. Yeah.

So how long to take you to rehab until, like, do you still feel it? I still, it makes me nervous. Like, if I put, like, push on my... Do you get surgery? No, I didn't have to get surgery. No, they just put me in a splint, and then I finished out the tour. Like, I think your NBA career's over. Yeah, yeah, they're like, yeah, you're not gonna hate to, hate to break it to your kid.

Did they tell you to cut the dreads a little bit? It's a little heavy? Nope, no. They didn't, they were actually super unprofessional about it. The guy, I, they like, came, they had to get a stretcher to come, pick me up offstage because I couldn't stand up. Damn. And they put me on this stretcher, and then they get me in the ambulance in the parking lot of the poor house, which is like, look, work, city. And I, like, think that the ambulance is going to, like, pull away. And the EMT just goes, all, we're going to straight. your leg out now. And I was like, oh, we're not gonna, like, go to the hospital where there's drugs and stuff. And he was like, no, we're gonna do it right now. And I was like, oh, okay. And he goes, it's gonna fucking hurt. And I was like, sick. Thanks. Thank you for that. And then he just like, it actually didn't hurt that bad. Oh, maybe he like prepares you for the world. Were you drinking? Were you kind of drunk? No. No, I wasn't. I literally just like turned weird.

Like when you drunk after like, it's like I would be drinking to like heal the pain. Oh, no, no. But they did, someone did, uh, try to get up on stage and try to like shove orange juice in my mouth because they thought I was diabetic. They thought I like nodded out and I was diabetic. And they're like, give him orange juice. That's the most kitchen dweller fan base thing ever, dude. Yeah, that's work science for sure. We need some fans that don't get all their medical knowledge from the movie, fried green tomatoes.

Yeah. Jesus. Fuck. Neil. I'm in now, by the way. You're in. He's in. I don't think I...

I have it here and I'll get it. How, Neil? How you doing? Hey, I'm great. This has been really funny because everything you guys are talking about is all my wheelhouse. Planet Fitness membership.

Yeah. Metal, I'm a metal guy. Yeah. Started playing drums because of metal. I have so much say about metal fan, bluegrass fan crossover. Totally. I hit a tree with my knee,

snowboarding. And I know all about, like, getting down the mountain with a busted fucking me and all that shit. So anyways, hi, I'm here. That'd be fun if we just don't. Do you have any questions? No, we don't talk about anything he knows.

The rest of the interview will be a bunch of weird shit. Anyway, NBA playoffs. Okay, Neil, tell me your parallels between metal and bluegrass. So as we all know that the metal fans are nice people, cosplaying as angry people, that whole thing. Yeah. You know, that's a grand idea. They are super nice.

The whole fan base is super cool. But at the show, both bluegrass fans and metal fans everything just kicks ass it's just kick ass we got beer we love this music it just kicks ass and that's like the show they're so stoked

everybody's so stoked no matter what is happening and and that's why you know refreshing the greatest most fun fans to have and be around dude that totally makes sense what about your knee what happened with your knee

when I was in LinkedIn yeah on the fight gas now. Torin, do you get any questions for me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, which knee was it? Okay, so... Where were you skiing? I was at Eldora, and I was... I had actually competed in a snowboard

competition that day, which was... Wait, what? It was the... I was so bad. I, like, went off a jump and, like, crashed. I didn't even do anything cool. It was like, you know, seventh grade, you tried to be cool. Yeah, yeah. I grew up here, I grew up Boulder. Sounds like a Simpsons scene. Shred all day long. But anyway, so I was the last run of the day, and I was following my friend into the trees, and I fell right away and just kind of slid and hit my knee. like on a tree, like wrapped it around a tree. And like, tried to yell my friend's name out, but like was in shock and was just yelling

random names and he didn't hear me and kept going. And so I pushed myself off the tree and my knee was still like this and I just smacked it. And put it back in. Luckily, it wasn't so bad. It was a partial tear of MCL. But I rode down the mountain on it, although it was not that long. So it wasn't that big of a ride. Oh my God.

It was pretty nuts. And I went straight to the mid thing. Shock is good sometimes. Seventh grade. I was literally back on the mountain in like three weeks. Have you guys ever played together? Doeapot? No, I don't think we did.

Yeah, I don't think we've ever crossed paths. Wow, we've played together. Yes, we jammed so hard. You feel like you guys live same lives, but in different areas. We're like cool music. Yeah, and we have mutual friends through Montana. Oh, wow. That's like one of my oldest friends.

Were you a skier? No, no, I snowboarded for sure. You snowboarded? Yeah. And I still would, technically. never have time. Yeah, I feel that. They have a lot in Montana?

What's that? There's a lot of skiing and some boarding in Montana. What else would there be? I don't know. I never really bet. Have you ever been to Yellowstone Club? Yeah, so our guitar player, Max,

used to run the ski school at the Yellowstone Club. Yeah. He, he, like, taught Ben Affleck's kids how to ski. He had Brady's kids. He said Brady was a dick. Yeah, Brady is a dick. Yeah, you have to be. And then he, there was like some,

something happened where he, uh, he was like, took like Mark W. Walberg's, like guests. No way that guy's cool. And, and on the mountain and like, um, there's no way that guy's cool. And no, there's, yeah. There's, yeah.

And, uh, and he, and something happened where like one of, these, these aren't like Mark's, kids. These are like, family friends or something. They're staying in the old school up. They wouldn't, wouldn't listen. The kids wouldn't listen to Max. And then, uh, one of the kids, like, wiped out or whatever and, like, hurt themselves. And then, like, Mark Wahlberg, like, had to come down and, like, get the kid.

And, and Max was, like, like, like, like Mark Wahlberg is absolutely not a fan of me. And I was like, damn, I was like that. It's got to be a tough gig. Oh no, who's going to save us from 9-11 again? Yeah, no shit. Yeah. Who's going to be in Ted 4?

Yeah. I do like to shoot. He's funny. He's better in comedies than like real movies, actually. Like, that's when he's the best when he's not, when he's not self-aware. Yeah, when he's self-deprecating. Yeah. Speaking of self-deprecation, what is the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened

to you on tour? On tour. Could be the knee thing, huh? The knee thing's pretty humbling. It's humbling, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, not necessarily embarrassed. You ever, like, accidentally pants yourself

and your dicks out, hog just fucking flopping with your dreds? Yeah, whoops. No, I don't think, I don't think I've ever done that. How embarrassing. How did I have to think, like, especially, like, on stage seems to be like, that would be, like, that's the opportunity to be the most embarrassed. Right. I think like

probably like forgetting words or like forgetting how song goes like that's that one's always pretty like there's not like any serious instance like that sticks out to me but Are your fans hard on you when you have a bad show? No they're not there no they're I don't think so I wouldn't say they are

I take it also takes a lot to offend me so like other people might say that it is but but they are, they do talk a lot of shit because they know how we are, you know? Like there's so many, there's so many pictures of me like walking on stage

and like, we know someone in the front row and I like, you know, like, first thing on stage. So they know, like, that, like, that's our sense of humor. So like, oh, actually, this is pretty fucking embarrassing. Speaking of the knee. So last year at Baja Wondergrass, we were playing headlining. one night and they had this stage that was like, you know,

they like sourced all the stage parts in Baja and like cobbled them together because there's like no equipment to be found down there. So there's like, the stage was like two different levels of stage. And then there was like no thing blocking the gap of like of the split level. Like where there would normally be a riser. It was just a higher stage behind us. And I didn't realize that because you couldn't fucking see.

And so I like went to step back from the mic. and the bad leg, like, went down. Like, I pulled, like, a one-leger, like, down and, like, fell, like, into the stage, like, up to where, like, my other leg is, like, flat with the stage. And I was, like, and also the banjo weighs, like, 50 pounds. So, like, I couldn't, like, get back up out of the stage. But immediately, everyone assumed that my fucking knee had gone out. Like, sway.

Do everyone stop playing? No, no. They kept playing. But, like, the whole crowd was like, oh, shit. And, like, Swain was in the talk back. Like, there goes his fucking knee again. You in gravity. Yeah.

So that one was pretty embarrassed. And I got a lot of shit for that. How'd you get up? I just had to like, I'd like stop playing and like force myself out. Like I fell in like a fucking like, yeah, fell in like a swamp or something. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah.

Dude, Swain hit me up about writing songs. I've been helping him write a song. Oh, nice. He was riding on the airplane. Nice. Someone told him that I write songs. He's like, I heard you've been riding some country songs. Oh, yeah.

Oh yeah. Because didn't you like, Yeah, didn't you write? I think we talked about that. Yeah, we did talk about it. I don't know if you told him or something, but he hit me up, say, hey man,

I got this song. He's write some dark ass songs, though. He does, yes. Those are some fucking crazy sad. Swain is, yeah. He's a good,

he's a good writer. Yeah, he's a good writer. Why is he playing the band? He plays a mandolin. Mandolin. But he never sings. So, like, all the songs that he writes,

I sing. Oh, that's kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah, he's, he's a, he's had a dude. for nihilism. What's that? Like a megaphone for his nihilism.

Yeah, totally. Yes. Yeah. Has he ever tried to write, I say, hey, will you sing the songs just a bunch of N-words? I did that at trivia. No, Swain is actually,

he's probably the most terrified of the band of offending other people. So, so. He says, it says like, The white honky. Yeah.

The white man takes all my people. Making you sing it. That's what I love about. weekend update. I was about to say the same thing. Switch the jokes. Make each other read each other's songs. Okay, so

tell me a little bit, will you explain your band to my fan base who doesn't know who the kitchen doors is? Yeah. So, I can't even explain it either. Use the word drum set three times.

Andy, why don't you explain the band? Yeah, yeah. And then you can explain your band. What would you call my band? I think it's, punk rock acoustic music yeah

I think it's because I don't know you you do go into blue grass a little bit but not really it's more Americana folk with with a lead singer

who is a fucking metalhead yeah and yeah and it's I mean the jams are like you know long and exploratory like like we've had a like like the dusters

and like other members of other like jam grass bands be like tell us to like you they're like you guys actually like you guys jam in like a truer form because like a lot of bluegrass is just like what's that explain so like any sort of like jam grass like typically like the classic like yonder format from like the like 90s yonder mountain string man was like the other the rest of the band plays the chords to the song and someone else takes a really long solo over that and like that's the jam right there's not like there's no type two

exploratory shit going on there you know there's no they're not like taking the fish route of like playing something long enough to where it morphs into something else. So they're not playing, they're not taking the Grateful Dead route where four different guys are playing fucking four different melodies and eventually they line up.

Like, you know, so, so. They're just passing the plate. They're just passing the plate. Yeah, so that's like kind of the, that's kind of the basis for Jamgrass is like. Oh, I see Sam and do that a lot. Yeah, yeah. You're just soloing over the chords.

Which is cool, which is great, which we do that too, but a lot of our stuff nowadays definitely goes, pretty far flung from from the original structure. Yeah. So, yeah. I was talking, we were talking to Tom Hamilton about this. What is more important, the song or the jam for the band?

For the band? Well, I would say, well, for the band, I would, I think that the jam, the jam is really important because, like, just the fact that your band is, keeps doing it over the years and it like changes and morphs and so like you know it's like teaching you to like respect the space on stage of like when improvisation takes place

and not to like be always chasing this one thing that you're trying to make this song like this one repeating thing like you're just kind of letting it go from a place of no ego which is kind of teaching you to be a better listener which is if you're being a better listener than you're being a better musician.

Yeah. But from a song standpoint, it's way more important to your fans and to, and for people to hold on to, like, you have, you have to write songs that have meaningful lyrics that other people can connect to. You know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of jam bands that have ended up, you know, kind of going by the wayside in the past maybe like 10, 15 years because they never, you know, had even, maybe even had lyrics in their songs. or had lyrics, but they weren't meaningful in some fashion. Right.

Name those bands. I'd almost prefer, like, instrumental than, like, bad lyric, you know? Yeah. Than lyric for the sake of lyric. You got, have you hung up with the special guys? Yeah. Johnny was at the house the day after you left. Oh, really?

After Gonzo, he stayed at the house for four days. Oh, nice. Yeah, dude. They're fucking hilarious like that, though. They had the, at their Halloween show that they had, like, last year. They had like the tombstom. They had a tombstone of twiddle. And I think that double pod like this bit.

Yeah, it was the jam band graveyard. Yeah, it was the jam band graveyard. And they like took pic, they posted them on their social media. A quiz. They're gonna be careful. Yeah. They're gonna know. Yeah.

It starts with the drummer. Yeah, it always does. It starts with the drummer. Didn't they make the meme where Scotty Zwang is like, is the green reaper? And he keeps going to each jam band. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He was going to each door. Oh, God. Whatever. That's hilarious. Is that a meme they made or did you just make that in your mind? Yeah. Yeah.

I should make memes. You should make memes. You should do a fake meme account. Oh my God. Everyone's going to know with me immediately. That's a Gerlock joke. That's stupid. Yeah, I'm excited.

I like Torin. Do you like Torin with a band for like a long period of time? Yeah. I thought you said like I like Torin. Yeah. Thank God. He's all right. Yeah.

He's okay. Yeah, I mean, I enjoyed it. Last summer we did the package tour with Leftover and the Dusters. Oh, yeah. And it was like a, it was a great fucking time. It was so much fun. Yeah.

We're gonna be hanging out. Yeah. Do you guys have a tour bus or do you take bandwagon? We'll have the bandwagon, I think. Yeah. We gotta keep it cheap. That's the thing. Yeah, it's like, we could, we could get a bus, but we're like, yeah.

Let's keep a cheap. Everything's really expensive right now. Like, let's fucking make some money. Make some money. Yeah. We can't just. be comfortable. We need to feel a little gritty,

so we play better music. A man way, I can still pretty comfortable. Yeah, yeah. I remember when you got that tour bus and how happy you guys were, and how excited. We're like, this is crazy.

And then we were like, we're like, wow, is it going to be like this forever? And Swain's like, it's never going to happen again. Who runs some money? What's that? Who runs the money in the band? Tell me everyone's position. Well, we have, so, the position in the band.

So I'm like, the voice of the band. I'm like the social media. Okay. Oh, you make all the posts. Most are like, you know, yeah, I get help with it, but I'm like, I can tell when you say, hey, folks. Yeah. Yeah. What's up, bitches?

What's up, bitches? Hello. And Max, Max is like the most, I would say Max is the most, like, business-oriented guy. Max is a smart motherfucker, dude. And there's always the tour manager guy. He gave me. Yeah, well, now we have actually the best tour manager on the face of the years. So none of us have to do that because we have to do that because we have.

stew. Yeah, Stu's insane. Stu like doesn't miss. Yeah, also, Stu is, um,

he has the right attitude. He's a, he's like kind of a little bit confident or narcissist. That's good though. You kind of need that in a tormentor. You kind of need that in a tormentor.

You need them to be crusty. You need them to be, yeah, my, my favorite is, he's going to hate that I'm telling this. Uh, is, so people always like comment about how like,

Stu is, Sue's very, very good tour manager and he's very good dealing with with people and venues and and stuff like that. But my favorite thing that he does is he's, he's very professional, very polite, even when other people,

especially venues, fuck up and they like don't, you know, drop the ball, someone drops the ball in like a pretty big fashion. It definitely affects the show. Stu is definitely visibly perturbed about this. But he doesn't like,

it doesn't like become like a public thing and he doesn't like blow them up in emails. He just takes them aside at the end of the night. and shames them. Ooh, shame is terrible. It's like bringing that dog out to the, out to the back. He actually doesn't,

he actually doesn't shame them. I shouldn't say, I shouldn't say, he doesn't old yaller. Yeah, he doesn't old yallerum. Yeah, shame's more public. No, shame is, yeah, no, it's, uh, no, he, it's more so, he's actually super nice about it.

He's like, he's like, he's like, this is how, this is how you do, this is the part of your job that you should do. He's like, so the next, he basically helps them, helps him. So the next band that comes along, he's like, the next band that comes along, might not be as nice about this. Does he do that to, does he mansplain?

No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, Stu definitely does not mansplain, especially for how smart he is. Stu is so overqualified for being our tour. Do you know what his degree is in? Okay, so Stu got a degree in this space program that was like put together like through NASA, but it's like a worldwide.

Like there was like 50 people, other people on the face of the earth that were in this program with him. And so he has a degree that he's a space geologist. And so he studied the possibility of flying through space on a rocket ship and then like landing on another planet or a asteroid or something like that. And then mining the thing that you just landed on and then turning the elements that you just mined into fuel so you can fly. further into space. Essentially the plot of Interstellar is what Stu has a degree in. And he's like,

and he's managing a drug band. Just the same thing. Stu, call me if you need this event. He's, I bet he's in his head. His mom's like, this band better fucking blow up.

Yeah, he better fucking blow up. Where'd you find him? Dude, he was one of our biggest fans. We actually, we met him at, uh... Wasn't he a photographer too? No, he is our

photographer now. But he, he was just one of our fans that lived in Denver, but we met him because we were at Targgy Bluegrass Festival one time. And we saw him in the crowd and we're like, oh, this kid, we've seen this kid at like the past 10 shows and he was in like a bunch of different states. Like he's very clearly like traveling around seeing us a lot of places. But he's in, he's in the pit at Elephant Revival is like 3 p.m. and he's wearing bib overalls and nothing else. Jesus Christ. Oh, yeah, just a one piece on. combo. And he, and he, uh, suddenly the cops just like, the, and it's, Targis in like, Idaho and Wyoming. So it's like, not chill states for having weed on you or any, you know. So, but the cops just

see, just zero in on him and pull him out of the pit and they start like searching him, which is hilarious because he has on bib overalls and nothing like, like no shoes. Like, where is he going to hide shit? And then, and then so we've, but we, then we met him after that. We're like, because they just let him go and we like watch the whole thing happen. We're like, hey man, like you've been at a lot of our shows. Also, what was that? And he was like, he's like, oh, he's like, they thought I was a drug dealer. I'm a fucking scientist.

He's a professor or police officer, William. I'd be making the drugs. I'd be making them. Yeah, I'm a chemist. Without me, your little bitch-ass family's going to stay on Earth, not be able to move. Yeah. Yeah, no Mars for the Rich. No Mars for the Rich.

Yeah. Who's like your best friend? on tour? Probably Stu. Stu's like my roommate. If we get, you know, we go hotels, Stu's my roommate.

He's my buddy. He was with, yeah, he was with, you were with, you were with Santos. Yeah. Yeah.

He was. Yeah, we've done that a lot, actually. Has he's, he's, sleep in the same room as you? Uh,

on tour, he does. Tour manager is the best room at. So, how do you guys have sex? Uh, you and Stu? Me and Stu?

No, you and Mac. Oh, well, she does it go on tour. Oh, no, okay. But if she comes out for a couple days, go get your own room.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, naturally. Yeah. Stu and I aren't that close. Yeah. We're working our way towards it. Sometimes when the crew guys bring their girlfriends, I know they're having sex and Bo has to just pretend like they're sleeping. He's sleeping.

Is that why he's got the sad eyes? Does he pretend? Dude, he's got sad eyes because he does, he's over it. I think he's over tormenting. Four years of Indefresco is like 12 years of another man. It's like, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, yeah.

So actually going. back to the shower the showering at the planet fitness. There was one time when we were at Peach Festival, you were playing and I was hanging out with the guys as Magic Beans. And you did like,

you did a, like, killing in the name was the last song. And you like got down to like your underwear. And it's also like at Peach Fest, it's like 110 degrees and like 80% humidity. And you like got down your underwear and then like covered yourself in Jamison and like that was in the show and you just fucking walked, stormed off in your underwear. And Casey Russell just

goes, can you imagine being on Andy Frasco tour back in the day when they all had to ride in a van together? And he's like, and there's no showers at the venues they're playing. He's like, they're just soaking themselves and Jameson and cigarette butts every night. Cigarettes and

Jameson and cocaine sweating from Ollie. He's like, can you imagine the smell? You ever see that picture of Obama before and after he was president? Yeah. It's Bo after four years of tormenting Andy. Yeah. He's running the free world. Pretty good.

So that's great. So Stu's your guy. You talk to, your counsel. Stu's my counsel. Who do you talk to? Is it a democracy, your band? We're pretty, yeah, we are, it's definitely a democracy. Yeah, we all...

How do you get shit done? Do you guys all think alike? We generally think alike. I mean, we're all really good friends still and, you know, talk to each other all the time, even outside the band. and do stuff together outside the band, go fish and go skiing, all that kind of shit.

And so like it's, yeah, and it's, and so we've like maintained, yeah, the like good personal relationship with everyone. And everyone kind of think, everyone thinks a little bit differently, which I think kind of helps. But usually it's like, usually we are pretty democratic about everything like, hey, is everyone cool with this?

Or like, you know, people present ideas in that way. like what do you guys think of this? That's cool. And, you know, present your argument, you know. Yeah. What do you, what did you, when you're younger in your band? I want to ask all you guys this. This is a good question for the group.

Things you love touring in the early years, like, God, this is fucking awesome. Now you just fucking hate. Ooh. Ohio. Yeah. That's good. I've always hated Ohio. You know, like some routine stuff.

If it was like, I used to love the morning drive or... Oh, yeah. I used to like when the venue had food and now I hate eating at the venue. Yeah, yeah. That's exciting. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one.

You're feeding us. And it's like... The fucking shit in the burgo in the McDonald's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, maybe like the... Um... Like the, the, uh, the pre-show hang. you know, like when there's like

when it's like kind of chaotic and there's like a lot of shit going or like you just your home fans like your friends show up and you're like back in the day used to be so cool because we'd travel all over like being traveling around

for the first time and be like oh I never get to see this person of course you should come hang out in the green room before the show and like now it's like before the show and you're like now there's an expectation of like this needs to be a really good show so I need to do a really good job

so like I have to work right now leave me the fuck alone yeah we're like lay in the green room See you after the shindig. Well, that's a problem, too. Like, for, you had, you stayed at all these people's houses for, like, seven years. Totally.

And they feel like it's family. It is. I mean, it is. That's the thing. And even my family realizes that, too. Like, my parents, my parents are super supportive. They go to a ton of our shows. That's why I made it.

And they're always, like, they always, like, take the, you know, my grandparents come or my and snuggles and stuff. Like, my mom is, like, reminding everyone and be like, okay, like, Torin's at work right now. And we're all watching him work. Like, we need to. get the fuck out of here for a minute. I'm too fucking anxious before a show. That's also that.

That's part of it too, yeah. You made too many friends over the years is your problem. Yeah. Everybody's Andy Fresco's from. Oh, it's my buddy. That's why I mean it's your buddy. You made us all feel like your best friends. So you smoke so much?

Yeah, I was like, the only time I get alone time is smoking. Yeah. You know what smokes cigarettes anymore. Dude, nobody smokes anymore. It's why I made sure to make any friends. It is coming back. It is, I actually saw, I've been seeing a lot of this online that smoking is fucking cigarettes are straight up back.

We're back. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, we're back. We never live. Is vaping? Remember there are $3 a pack? Is it vaping going away? Yeah.

Is vaping going away? Is that like the nerd shit? Yeah, I think the cut the flavored vape, everyone's like, fuck, let's just do the real thing. But also like, it don't hit the same. You don't hit the same. Duh, that's sick, dog. I'm getting a cocaine vape. It just tastes like, it just tastes like your throat closing up.

Pena colotic flavored cocaine. Pena colotic. There's something fun about just all being in a band Kind of buzz still on a 5 a.m. flight. I like it. I like it. I kind of love it. I feel like you're going to war. Yeah.

It feels like you're getting ready to jump out of the plane. Yeah, man. You're kind of hopped up on from the festival play. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. And then. You've been not able to go on a plane because you're too drunk.

I have not ever done that. Have you done that? I don't think I didn't know that was possible. That was possible. And was that your choice or someone else's choice? I can think of one. Who was it? I've never had that happen.

I've also been hell wasted, but I could keep my shit to get to my seat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just start stuttering. Definitely. That's not I know you're hammered. I start stuttering. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then what did you, what happened last Monday and we were hanging out like three in the morning? It's like, so then did you go like what school did you? Yeah, it's funny. That's all the time. I always say like your, uh, well also like bad Coke and. A lot of drunk, a lot of alcohol.

How do you know when I'm fucked up? You get fucked up. I know, but what do I do? You talk more. Start getting nice. You talk more in public. Start, yeah, you're, yeah, you're, start being nicer. Complements.

Your wall drops a little bit. But dear, yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you know you're fucked up? Me? Yeah. Oh, I, well, I don't think that I do this, but there's often photographic evidence of it. I, I usually look, I get a look in my eye like I'm terrified. Oh, really?

Like a, yeah, like a really, like wide-eyed, like, dead stare. And I don't think that it happens. And then McKenzie, the next day, she'll be like, look what you did. She's ready to photograph you. Oh, go. That's the same as me. Here's the files. We'll look forward back to file 644 on the template.

I must be drunk. Everyone's taking pictures of me again. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I love it. It's hilarious, though. Yeah, she's really good at, like, documenting the evening. if we're like, you know, if we're out doing shit with like all of our friends.

Like she captures a lot of really funny shit that our friends do. So what about you, Neil? Apparently, apparently that's the same thing. Kali says that I have some look in my eyes or I like hold this part of my face in a different way. It's not like terrified, but it's just something she says and she's just like, you're fucked up. And I'm like, shit. Like you're hammered, huh? Yeah.

Well, we're done with those parts of our life, right? Yeah. We're going to really be really focused and serious and not have no, no, no, on this kitchen dwellers frasco tour right definitely not it's gonna be it's gonna be fun maybe I'll come to one you should I think we're gonna have a blast are you doing awesome no

we're doing all the we're doing all the big cities right no just Midwest yeah it is actually yeah it's fucking Midwest emo tumor are you doing Indianapolis what what are you doing Indianapolis we are we are think yeah maybe I'll pop out that's where I'm from you should that's where you're from kind of yeah I didn't know it's better than you pretty much

you are You are. We played together and you proved it. Neil, do you have any questions? I think I'm going to roll with the same question. I think that's a great question. Do you, I guess I have to ask this question first. Do you have a wallet?

Do I have a wallet? Yes. What do you have in there? Oh, should we look? Yeah, let's see what's in there. I actually, literally. Any acid? And you sit on it.

Do you have back problems? I don't believe it. I literally, I just cleaned it out. I just cleaned it out actually right before I came over here, because there was a bunch of shit in there, and I pulled out, like, a ton of, like, bag tags from airlines, and then a bunch of pesos from Mexico. That were, like, still, there's no dollars in here.

No acid, no. I thought there was any acid. There's no, like, I don't think there's any, like. Damn, that's a pretty massive guy or something. I have a good, I have a good, uh, a good photo. That's cute. I have a cute, a cute photo of McKenzie and the dog. You're going to get married?

Yeah. I think so. Wendy, what are you going to do it? How are you going to do it? Exclusive on the World's Same podcast. Yeah, yeah, let's, yeah, let this won't do it. Yeah, yeah, let's do it right now. Camera one, propose.

If I was McKenzie right now, how would you do it? If you were McKenzie right now, Andy just wants to feel something. I just want to feel love. I would. I don't know. Thank you for being in the rain. There we go. There we go.

You don't have to do this. You don't have to do this. Just say no. You don't have to consent to everything Andy Foresco No, no, I know. It helps make it interesting, though. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, if you let him kiss you on the promo for the show,

you're going to sell tickets. That's fair enough. That did sell us a lot of tickets. Yeah, it does sell tickets, yeah. Let me look at heated rivalry. It was heated rivalry season two, dude. But if you're going to marry someone, would you do it privately at a show? How would you do it?

Oh, you mean, like, propose? Like proposed? Probably privately. The public proposal always seems a bit cringy. Don't like it. Hard agree. I agree. But, okay, so there's actually one example of a public proposal that I saw that was incredible.

But it was just our friends. But we were on a raft trip in Costa Rica. It was like it was during COVID. We got like a bunch of friends together. It was like 30 people. We went on this raft trip in the jungle in Costa Rica. You love rafting. I do.

Yeah. Yeah, I do, I have, I'm going on the river next week for River Wondergass. I'm going on the Yampa. Scary. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's going to be any water. The Yampa's like, this is the, this is the time to go.

It's like high water. Do they, do they have water this year, though? I think so. I actually, I've never done the Yampa. I've only done the green over there. It's like Neil's been drafting. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, you're from Colorado. You're a fucking mountain. You do not, you do not, you do not present as Colorado, by the way. You present as East Coast. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

I've always thought you're Philly. That's so funny. I mean, I donned this costume, which I've never changed from in high school, in Boulder, Colorado, and that's just been me. I'm obsessed with you. Oh, right back at you, buddy. You're just hilarious.

Yeah. You've done so much shit. Yeah. I have lived a life, and I'm stoked about it. Do I present this like a mountain guy? You present is what I'd like to call indoorsy? Yeah. You nailed it.

Indoorzy. Probably. Oh, man. It was tough getting Todd to go anywhere. I think saxophone Pat and Oswald is a mountain guy. Saxophone Pat and Oswald. I don't go west of Red Rocks. Yeah, it's scary over there.

What were you saying? Todd? Oh, you were saying about the public Costa Rica thing. Oh, yeah. So, well, so the, we were on this raft trip and we were like stop at this lodge, it's like a lodge that National Geographic used to like film stuff in the jungle, like in the 70s.

And so we're staying there. it's just, and it's just our 30 crazy friends and then the raft guides. And it's like remote as fuck. And we get there and we're all like, it's at the end of the day, full day of rafting. And they're like, all right, like everyone grab a beer. And then our buddy proposed to his girlfriend like in the middle of that. And then immediately afterwards, we like, everyone started drinking, drinking beers. And like, then the staff from the lodge were like, they're like, you guys.

guys drank us out of beer and we're like we're like no and they were like yeah we're like we've been here for 10 minutes and like we drank them out of beer and we're like you guys they're like you guys got to go get more beer our buddy our buddy ben kennedy went up to him and was like was like who do i have to pay to go get more like get beer out of the jungle and they were like they're like well it's gonna like they're gonna have to send someone to a town to a store and then like the car's gonna have to meet up with this guy that he's on a fucking donkey like at the edge of the jungle and then he's like gonna ride this donkey on a trail here. No fucking way.

Mule this beer in here. And Ben's like, who do I have to pay? And they're like, it's not a money problem, sir. And he's like, listen, here's a 20. That's all it was, a 20 bucks. He just kept sliding them 20s until they're like, all right, send the mule. Go get beer. Send the mule.

And so that was a public proposal that went off super well. Yeah. But that's not your style. No. I don't think it'd be my style. I want just us. Yeah. I didn't even be down to just a lope, just us.

Yeah. There's a pressure of inviting everyone to a wedding and like if you forget people and like my wedding wasn't going to be a thousand people in that motherfucker. Yeah, everybody's Andy Frasco's buddy. Well, you don't have to invite me. It's fine. Yeah, how many groups do you have?

Only people I don't invite are my actual real friends. Yeah. I'll co-host your wedding. Co-host my wedding. He says, do you take this? Man to... Yes, he does. Skip to the end.

He keeps just repeating what he says, the whole time. Does anyone not want this wedding to happen? No, nobody. Somebody take this man away from us. Anybody. Well, I'm happy you found love. You guys really are really happy, and it makes me happy. Yeah, thanks, man.

She's always nice. She's always nice. She's very nice. Yeah, she's very... Very inclusive. Very good. Very good at making people feel like they belong, which is important.

Very pleasant human being to be around. Yeah. Sometimes it's too hungover to be that nice. She's like, what are you doing? I'm like, fuck. I love you, Zach, but I don't have any charitone. I got no Sarah Tonin to go dancing with you. I'm sweating Jameson right now.

I'm fine. I got saxophone Patton-Hawl's one over here. Yeah. Will Toran. Did you like that? I like it. Come catch the Kitchen Dwellies Frasco Tour. It's going to be fun.

We're all our friends together. We're going to be doing some, we're going to do a whole set together. Like, we're going to at least, we're going to get everyone together on the end of the set. Oh, yeah, we have to. Yeah.

But let's do some cool covers. We have to do, yeah, we have to, like, you got to start figuring you out right now. Yeah, we will. Yeah. But, like, I think we could, like, back you guys up on tunes, and you back us up on tunes, and then we'll do a fucking big tune.

Yeah, totally. It's like switching off, Same person opening every night How's that working? They're opening because of, I don't know. No, we don't have drums. Yeah, I mean, that's like, just like sonically, it does make more sense.

It's, it totally, I will 100% fucking agree with this. It, as a blue gas band, it is immediately harder to close for a band that just opened with you that has drums and keys. Do you, uh, yeah, was that hard for the DeNado tour?

It was, yeah. Because they're, they opened every night, right? They open, yeah. And like, yeah, they definitely open like almost all the nights but they like but they shred dude like they're all they're fucking bad motherfuckers Danny boys like sending like 15 minute guitar

cell that's what I was gonna say like yeah we're the artist saying no my boy our boy Danny is saying yes to everything that motherfucker is on every fucking river on the Rio fucking sail away dude yeah he went on rhythm and sales this year it was correct where the iron's hot

yeah I see he's making that money he's wearing a jean and Willie shirts now oh what a Jason Kelsey. His name. Salvage denim. Yeah. My boys make money.

Okay, buddy, have fun. Go make love. Go have fun. Thank you. Your only day off. Thanks, Dad. Thanks for working on your only day off. It's just days less on.

Go see dwellers, go see Frasco. Go hang out with us. Bye. Come hang out. That was awesome.