Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - STS9 on the Jam Scene Drama, Music Industry Economy & Making The Human Dream

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

Andy and Nick sit down with STS9's Hunter Brown and Alana Rocklin for a very jam band episode of the World Saving Podcast. They dive into The Human Dream, STS9's new concept-leaning record, why it captures what Sound Tribe really sounds like in 2025, and how their Santa Cruz environment and the devastating Big Basin fire shaped the music. They get honest about the modern jam band scene, from fan tribalism to former member Murph playing the old songs again, and why Hunter refuses to treat music like sports rivalries. There is also a frank talk about the brutal economics of touring, Red Rocks, and why even successful bands are rethinking how they hit the road as costs skyrocket. Alana opens up about raising a kid while living the musician life, losing her home in the fire, and turning that trauma into bass lines and new songs. Hunter gets into mindset, hypnotherapy, "being a great number two," and what a more human music world could look like. If you love STS9, jam bands, live music culture, or just unfiltered conversations about art, music, and survival, this one is for you. Like, subscribe, and share to keep the pod rolling. 👉 Subscribe for new episodes every Tuesday #music #fire #interview #podcast #funny

On a scale 1 to 10, how safe is your drummer right now? Oh, dude. From an employment standpoint. How safe is he on job security right now? What's going on? Zax on 11, bro. He's got the hair. Have you seen him?

No. Very good performer. He's a good-looking. He gets up on the drums. He's got the best hair you've ever seen in your life. He's a hot guy. Good-looking guy. He's a great drummer, too.

Oh, love it. No, it doesn't matter about being a good drummer. He's got to be hot. I mean, there's not that many good-looking guys in the jam-band scene. I know. I mean, look at this. This whole band is good-looking. Soundtrives an attractive band

Soundtrives is an attractive band Yeah We try man They have a good looking crowd too actually Yeah One of the better looking crowds than the jam bands Way better than the disco biscuit crowd

That crowd's a little crunchy They actually have women at their shows Which is kind of nice We got the girls I was gonna say We got the ladies I would say For me personally I'm trying to come up to their level Oh you're trying to come up to your level

They're just rocking it You're the badass You're like you're the rock stars this fucking thing. And we're back. Andy Frasco's World Seat podcast. I'm Andy Frasco. Hot off of a great interview

from STS9. Wow. I didn't know. I thought he was, I thought they were just not going to talk and they fucking spilled the beans. They were a lot more open than I expected. From what I've seen them on stage, you know, they have kind of like an artsy persona. Yeah.

Which they are artists, so. I can't stop thinking about the fucking Scotty's weighing and fucking Neil Drama. Why? I don't know. It's not that crazy. I feel horrible. I do kind of feel horrible. Why?

Do you think I should feel horrible, Neil? Definitely not. This is like 10 years ago. They're friends. Are you friends? It wasn't like Neil's fault either. It wasn't like Neil's fault, Scotty. Scotty's doing great right now, by the way.

Who gives a fuck? Scotty doesn't know. Yeah, yeah. He doesn't know. Scotty doesn't know that I'm team Neil. Scott doesn't... I refuse to feel bad for a guy who has this dream gig right now. I know.

Umphreys is the dream gig. For him. True. He loves Humphreys. Who doesn't? No, no disrespect to Humphreys when I said, Umphreys is a dream gig? I mean, no, it's a great gig, especially in today's economy.

I think it'd be... It's a lot of money for a guy like him. He's like, I went to his house. I was like... So he's like, yeah, I'm gonna, like, you know... What's your dream gig? Ooh, fucking playing bass in a blues bag. It's so easy.

You already have your dream gig. Boom, boom. Shut the fuck. I do have a... How was that mean? Jerk off? Because I'm playing... I'm playing rhythm piano player in my fucking band.

Wildest thing is the Andy Frasco band featuring Andy Fras. That is a dream band. What would you do? I don't know. What's your dream band? Ooh. That's a good concept. My dream gig.

Is that... Like a famous band maybe? No, whatever you want. This is your dream. Just like maybe playing keys and sax and like a... Just ripping... Anything you want. Something like with a mash of like electronic and jazz.

Move your backpack. We're not going to school. That's not mine. That's Neil's. Neil, you're fired again. You're fired again, Neil. What the fuck? This is a fucking professional studio, Neil.

I like being like this. Something where I'm like this. Something where I'm like the second most important musician in the band. Second most important. You wouldn't want to be the number one? No, I like being number two. But then, because sometimes you get more respect when you're number two in a weird way. You know what I mean?

They kind of see that you're okay with being number two. And they kind of like, oh, that's kind of. I've been talking to this life coach I would tell you about this Fuck life coaches No this guy's rocks Okay This guy is more like a therapist

Get him on here with me right now Okay I'm just kidding I don't hate life coaches He doesn't like calling it a life coach Okay good Because if you do you're a douche Because what are you an expert at life

No he's more of He gets your businesses To grow Like your work potential Oh he's like a business consultant Yeah he He'd I met him

one of the the baby bath water and he basically like he like basically is the therapy for CEOs

that get them like a little different this I like this he gets people from out of their own but you have to be part of

you have to like have the mindset that you want to be the greatest hmm but you can be the greatest number two totally

the best defense of coordinator all time is a fucking badass I know buddy Ryan but he's the greatest defensive coordinator.

Exactly. The trait. Right. Exactly. So, like, he's, I, this guy's really helping me. Like, the greatest accountant of all time is still very valuable. He's like, he's like, um, he's like, do you want to be the best of this? And I was like, yes.

We're going to have to work on your. I was like, yes. We're going to work on your piano playing. As I'm waving, no. He just starts with that. You're like, what instrument do you play? It's like, I don't play. I just can tell.

I'm just kidding. No, it's totally funny, though. Yeah. It's like... I mean, you don't ever go around saying... The karate kid with the... You don't go around saying you're a great piano. No, I know I'm horrible on it.

A horrible is a little... Might be a stretch. You were good in that... Mediocre. It's all you need, though. I was that good on the playlist tour? I felt good. You weren't doing anything stupid.

You were way better in the first time. Oh, yeah. You didn't do anything stupid. I think that JJ Gray acoustic tour really helped me to figure out how to do the acoustic. Nothing helps you better than being exposed. But he said, I can't help you unless you know that you got it. you'd be great because if you can't you can't teach that. How much is this an hour?

I mean, it's a lot. You know I want to get on the podcast sometimes, speeching of life? It's like 35,000 for a whole. It's like a session or like 20 sessions. I got to get into this. I got to just be a consultant. I could be a life coach. Yeah, stop. Be on time. Stop worrying so much. I don't know. That'll be $4,000.

But honestly, you kind of like, I didn't even have my my consultation with him yet and we kind of just walked around New York and Oh that guy? Yeah Elliot He's fucking brilliant dude He's he first I'm getting him on the podcast He had a podcast about this

But he does hypnotherapy That's his thing Someone tried to hypnotize me once And it fucking works He first started Doing this concept to gamblers Professional gamblers And got a guy $100 million

After the session People do it to quit smoking too. Yep. I want him to do that on me too for that for sure. Then he started doing MMA fighters

and that was crazy because he's basically training these guys to kill these guys. That's a lot of weight on you. What's his background? Is he a psychology guy? Psychology therapy.

Psychotherapy kind of thing. He used to be an MMA too. Oh really? You didn't look? Yeah. I went in the sauna. I saw my damn, this guy's fucking bald. Yeah, I only saw pictures of his face.

We should get a past life reader on the pod sometime I'm in. Do you know what that is? Yeah. They'll be like in the 1500s you were a coal miner in West, you know what I mean, or whatever. I think shit like that is worth the money. If you have the money.

I don't have that much money to spend on that. I mean, that's crazy. Yeah. But maybe he'll give me a deal. I don't, no, he's like I don't do deals. So maybe... Man, that's when you know he's good. You know.

I kind of respect... I actually respect a guy more that doesn't do deals. He's like the guy. Because he means he's in demand enough that he's good enough that he doesn't can't afford. Yeah, he has $100. That's a lot. Baller.

Chocala, 20 inch blades on the Impala. Now, holler, get laid tonight. Switch to roll to the light in the highway. Making money the flyway. But there's got to be a better way. Better way. Better way. Yeah.

Damn, why do we remember that song? Who even is that? I don't know. Fuck. Peti Paolo? No, no. It's way before that. Oh, Juvenile?

No. Jarl? No. It's like somebody... I'm looking it up. You talk. But I really do like this guy. He's really helping me out.

But I know I'm not going to be able to afford him. I do want to take the... He said the first consolation is like you go deep into, like, what triggers you into fucking... Little Troy. Little Troy. Maybe you should just... You can fire somebody. Maybe you can afford them.

Don't put that. In my brain. Don't put that in my brain! You should just... Come on, Neil, you want to be in it? You want to... Oh, yeah, we already... No, but you don't make enough money for it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got to be... You're re- hired, Neil. It's got to be someone... It's got to be someone in the band, I think. No, no. I'm just kidding. What are you going to do for Thanksgiving?

I'm going to L.A. I'm taking mushrooms with Todd. I wish you could come. I know. I don't know where I would stay for that long and be... I would get your hotel. Oh, really? Maybe I'll come.

Do you want to come on Thanksgiving? To your Thanksgiving? Come to my Thanksgiving. And then we'll do Todd and you'll fly home the 30th. Oh, that's actually, what's... Or do you want to come to the Pan Oswald thing. He just invited us. I do want to go to that.

Come for the weekend. Okay, maybe I'll do that. I'll get you a hotel. All right. And you come to Thanksgiving with us. You can use your points. I use my points. Let me talk to my boss.

Your wife? Yeah. She'll be so pissed. No, she'll love it. She loves when I'm gone. All right. I'd do that right now. I got United Open.

Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, let me just, I just got to make sure she's not gone all weekend or something. Oh, that'd be great. And my parents would love that you're there, because you're easy. Yeah. You're just like, we can watch football and not talk. Yeah, because I don't talk that much.

It's fucking awesome. Neil's like, what a friendship. That's great. I like your parents. We got STS9 on the building. Great band, great memories. Great memories. Have you seen them live?

Never seen them live. I have, like, they're probably the jam band I've, uh... No, that's a lie. I saw them red rocks. They're the band I've seen the second most. or second least besides panic. I barely ever seen it. You haven't seen the line?

Do you know anything about STS-9? No, I know a lot about them, though. Yeah? Yeah, but what isn't? Neil, come in here. Neil's on the show more. Sorry, Nick. I don't know if you have so much.

That's all right. We should just set up a mic for him. I know. We're going to do that. I got it all in the works. What did you do? What did you saw SCS9 on? We were, I played with a band called Yam down at Sonic Bloom.

Do you ever play that one? Yeah. You ever play that one? No, Scott, Morrill books it. He never booked me on that. Man, I thought he was your friend. Scott, we need have to talk. You're supposed to be my promoter out here.

You don't book me on all the cool shit, okay? You make me just play fucking a concert. It was hit or miss, that place. Yeah, I heard it was good and bad. But yeah, that was my favorite time seeing them with, you know, a headful. Really great, really great light show. But, yeah, the first time I saw them actually, Mars Volta, who I just saw the other night,

was playing at the same. time and I was like I'm going to go see marsvolta right now but I was not really into jam bands then still not really now but um soundtrack is a good show man what a perfect episode for you to be on for this one sts nine thank you neil so much for being on the show I love the cameos of neil i'm so happy you're on i fucking hate him I want to talk dude you see you see fucking nick he right when he started talking he's on his phone yeah fuck this I was trying to look up that song again as a new friend what's on little Troy sure it was little Troy.

Play it. No, because we'll get copyrights strong. Oh, yeah, we're a professional podcast now. Everyone knows it. We already sang it. I like Soundtribe. Alana's like, I played with her some. What's the beef with Mirf?

I don't think it's beef. I think he just put the band 10 years ago. I think it was more in the fans' head than them. Oh. And then they just replaced him with Alana. She's a better bass player than him anyway. Way better. And I'm close.

I'm going to ask him about if they're pissed off that there's a STS-9 cover band that used to be in the band member. Yeah. Well, I don't think. But he helped write the song, so it's not really a cover band. So he wrote the song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was in the band.

He was kind of the front man, I remember. When I used to see him at Summer Camp, I guess I have seen him more and I thought, no, I just was a long time ago. He was the bass player's frontman. Well, he was the guy that talked to the crowd the most. And it was like, how you feel, you know, how you're feeling? Oh, no, that's Michael Fronty. How are we feeling?

That's Michael Fronte. Jesus. He came back. People are mad at Red Rocks right now. Oh, my God. I saw the, I just had, you know, because I'm a little yenta. Yeah, yeah, I like it too. I had to go in the comments to see that Michael Fronty shit is wild.

Are people defending him? No, everyone's like, what the fuck, Denver? It is interesting. Red Rocks? Who's buying tickets to that? Who fucking... I'm not taking your daughter to that, that's for sure. Who's buying tickets?

Naco fans. Oh, my God. Fuck that guy. Here's the thing about Naco. I was so ahead of the fucking curve on him. Yeah. Because he was... I knew he was a douchebag before he ever got in trouble.

Who? Naco. Just a great. Dush. Really? Just shirt off all the time. Like one of those guys. Everything's performative.

He was on the podcast. I didn't get that vibe. Yeah, because he was trying to be cool in the pod. He was trying to look me in the eye really like. He's just performing. He's just like everything about him sort of a, like, it's like he's always acting. He's like, look at me. Yeah.

Let me tell you about breathing. I'm like, I don't want to know about breathing. Fuck, I know how to breathe, dude. I'm trying to, I mean, I've been, I've been breathing heavy my whole life. I'm like a pug. Smoking camel lights. I'm like a French bulldog over here. Ceptum.

Trying to eat this black and white cookie right now. Shut the fuck up. Just, I mean, you know, when a guy's got a new band every six months and then he gets in trouble for whatever he did, that's not a great sign. I just always found him. Anyway, STS-9, you're going to love this interview? Jesus Christ. I'm going to get an email, Sees and Desist by Naco LLC.

Send it to me, bitch. What if his, what if his LLC is the bear Jew? The Bear Jew? The Bear Jew Ellis. What? barely a Jew. He just, he's like,

I'm here to. Man, I'm thinking about black and white cookies since we went to that bagel place earlier. You said that's so loud at the bagel place. Jews really did a good one

on this one. I didn't say it that loud. Dude, you said it's so loud at the call your mother. I was being positive. You did a good job doing the black and white.

I'm like, shut the fuck out. I actually said best thing the Jews ever did. Yeah, the best thing the Jews ever did. It's called a compliment. You guys can't even take a compliment. I know,

because we have guilt, running through our blood. Yeah. So, Netflix. Never forget. Never forget. Let's not get started on never forgetting. What's our take on modest Yahoo? I don't know. I don't really have one. I don't, he's fine, I guess. What's your take on modest Yahoo? Super cool. Are you saying that? Sit down one more time. I'm scared of the IDF, so I don't want to talk. Sit down on. He was cool. Was he cool or was he? I mean, you interviewed

him. I did. He was cool. Guys all go along pretty good. He wants to go on three good. He wants to go on tour. Yeah, I might want to check his stance on a couple things. I don't know. I don't know where he's at on that. Come on, I need some friends to talk to me here. You guys are giving me some weird comments. I'm scared of a certain country. I'm just

kidding. I am too. I know. Okay, so I can say that. I'm an American Jew. Let's just say I like black and white cookies. And leave it at that. Anyway, enjoy STN-9. Have a great night. Hey guys, it's Andy, and I want to talk a little bit about volume.com. Yes.

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STS9 is in the building. We got Hunter and Alana. How are you doing, guys? Do great. Thanks for having us. Oh, man. So let's get down to the Ninn Gritty. Tell me about this new record. What's going on? concept record, right? It just feels like a concept record? Tell me a little bit about it. Yeah, it is in some ways. You know, there's definitely a theme behind it. And that we've put a lot of energy into that's kind of, it's just for it.

We've been trying to tell through our career. It feels like kind of the next chapter. But the music is very much what we sound like right now. And that was kind of the point is to kind of get a good snapshot of where we are right now as STS9 and 2025. But yeah, there's a big kind of theme and story that goes. behind the songs and just the impulse of the art itself. Who hurts you? What happened? What's going on? Tell us about what, who's hurting you? Who do we need to call them beat up? What's going on?

What's the concept here? Yeah, what's the concept here? What's the idea of having this new identity and showing people what new identity you need to bring to SDS9? I don't think it's a new identity so much to just say this is what this particular group of songs is about. You know, this is what it has inspired this group of songs. And that is, you know, just kind of how we live in the world today, what we experience the past, you know, our current situation and things that we would like to imagine the world to be, I think. So it's all, it's all a part of it. What's your vision of a dream? Like, what's your identity of what a dream is versus

what reality is? Hmm, that's a good question. You know, I think a dream is something to do with imagination, you know, as far as like what we were talking about, it's not just kind of a fantasy or a daydream. It's an actual kind of vision. So I think it's, it's more of a vision than a daydream. What about you, Alana? What do you think? And, you know, I think like, especially like with this record, it's, it's a lot, there's a lot of within dreams, hopes, you know, aspirations, you know, what we, what we're trying to be, you know, like what we hope we're being, you know. So that's a lot, a lot of the music comes from that, a lot of the names of the songs and just, you know, stories behind the songs come from, you know, human experience, our human

experience, how we relate to that and each other for the most part. I mean, I think, you know, especially like people that play a lot of concerts, right? It's that like exchange of energy, you know, in the moment. So we spent a lot of time, obviously, playing concerts. And with this album, it's like, we really wanted to have an album that showcased what the band really sounds like, you know, versus like, oh, yeah, here's the album,

and then, you know, go listen to the boards to hear what they sound like. Right, right. You know, like a really studio versions that we can go super deep and get really, you know, intricate. So that's kind of, I guess all of the inspiration behind this album. Yeah, like, what's the difference between, like,

taking your time on a record versus, like, you said talk about the studio process between this one versus the old ones. What was the studio process back then versus how you're approaching it now? I think back then it was kind of, we toured a lot more. And so we were kind of always somewhere other than at home in the studio. And so it was just like more of a reflection of recording and creating. in the back of, you know, vans and buses and hotel rooms and that kind of stuff and just trading things and kind of anything goes.

And I think approaching the studio and studio records as kind of their own, excuse me, as their own project, their own piece of art, whereas this is kind of reflection of who we are as a band right now. What's your take on? Has anything happened to you that you can't believe, this should be a fucking dream, but it's actually reality. It could be good or bad.

Like a surreal event? Like a surreal event? man i mean what playing music is pretty much that yeah being a musician you know is it good or bad you know debatable on which day you're talking about

but um yeah like i i think god it feels surreal sometimes like from like you know I started playing the bass on as eight so it like i you know like to be like actually still doing it is god it's

amazing. It doesn't even seem like reality sometimes. Yeah, isn't it crazy? Like, I don't know, you guys been doing, what, since 97? Or when did you join the band, Alana? I was joined the band 2014. Okay. Why'd you join the band? What happened?

Oh, man, you know, had some lineup changes. But I had been in, like, we met, Hunter and I met in, like, 2001. Oh. So, we've been knowing each other for a really, really, really long time. And, you know, 1320 put out Brad and I's first album that we did. So we've always collaborated. Like even, like he's talking about like, like, artifact. I remember,

you know, going into your hotel room. You guys were like recording in the, you know, in a hotel room. In Nashville. So we've known each other for a really long time. I think it just felt like, you know, a natural, you know, thing for us to play together. So yeah, man. That's crazy. Because I I'm going through band changes right now, too. Everybody is. Everyone is. I feel like everyone is... What's going on?

What the fuck? I mean, I just was with the disco business. That shit's wild. The fucking ump freeze is wild. So how... On a scale 1 to 10, how safe is your drummer right now? Oh, dude. From an employment standpoint.

How safe? Is he on job security right now? What's going on? Zach's on 11, bro. He's got the hair. Have you seen him? No. Very good performer.

He's a good looking. He gets up on the drums. He's got the best. Harry you've ever seen. Is he hot? He's a good good guy. Good looking guy. He's a great drummer. Oh, I love it. No, it doesn't matter about being a good drummer. Who cares to be good. He's got to be hot. I mean, there's not that many good looking guys in the jam band scene. I know. I mean, look at this.

This whole band is good looking. Soundtrives an attractive band. Soundtrives is an attractive band. They have a good looking crowd too, actually. One of the better looking crowds than the jam band scene. Way better than the disco biscuit crowd. Way better than disco biscuit crowd. That crowd's a little crunchy. They actually have women at their shows, which is kind of nice. We got the girls. I was going to

say we got the ladies. I would say, for me personally, I'm trying to come up to their level. Oh, I mean, they're trying to come up to your level. They're just rocking it. You're the badass, Alana. You're like, you're the rock star in this fucking thing. She's the front man now, I feel like, almost. I'm the front man, yes.

Yeah, front woman, I guess. So as you're... Sorry, force of habit. Hello, everyone. It's Adi Frasco, your local drunk. We're here to support Gardanista. Gardinista, our sponsors. I've been subinting this from Jameson. because I like the idea that there's ginger, lime juice, and green herbs in this.

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man it's an incredible blessing i mean it's a hard life it's not easy and uh i think there's a lot of kind of misconceptions about what it is um but it is still an incredible blessing man i mean we love to do this we love to play music we love to go and share our music with people you know um we love that feeling of just being kind of in in the in the rush of it all i think it's like you know preparing to go on tour is harder than being on tour i think you know once we're on once we're out there playing shows a lot of times we don't want to go back. We don't want to go home. Right.

It's like a wish. It's always that first week, isn't it? Yes. It's always that first week of the transition. Because once you're out of it, you're like, fuck, okay. You're like in a dream state. Dude. Yeah.

Human dream right here. I mean, we honestly do like have fun to get. Like, we really like to be around each other. We have fun together. So like we're, you know, yes, it is hard. Anyone that's tour knows that like, man, you start getting on that bus sleep and everybody starts getting cranky, but at the end of the day,

like we really do love to play. And I don't, you know, I think that's been, it's kind of a thing with us, you know, since COVID is trying to find the balance, you know, of like, you know, being in the studio, being on the road, all that stuff.

Has there, and it had been a moment where this band almost broke up or like you just couldn't do it anymore? No. Really? I don't like that. No. We've never almost broken up,

and we just had, I mean, we've had, you know, Murphy left about 11 years ago, 12 years ago, something like that. Yeah. I mean, that was the only time we've ever had kind of a serious situation like that where it's like, okay, this, something, a big change is going to come. But the four of us, the rest of us, never considered stopping. Yeah. So it's like, we just really, man, we're obsessed with this thing. I mean, it's, you know, speaking personally, it didn't come from like a, I didn't go to school for music.

I didn't grow up playing music. You know what I didn't see a guitar, touch a guitar until I was like 14 years old, 13, 14 years old. Literally like in my present. I like my neighbor had a guitar. His dad had one. I was like 14 and like, oh my God, your dad has a guitar. I got obsessed with that, that kind of thing. So it's like I'm still just, you know, there's nothing else I would want to do.

There's nothing else I would even consider doing. It's like the music, the art, everything that goes into it is just everything to me, you know? Yeah, as simple as that, really. I mean, you brought it up. What's your take about this guy? doing playing music, playing your music again. About the, Murph, yeah. Oh man, it's, you know, I don't really know,

I haven't taught to him in a while. So I'm not really sure kind of where it's coming from. But if it's like something he wants to do and is feeling like inspired to do, I think everybody should play, you know, and be creative. That's a very healthy attitude. See, I got to hang out at the hunter, dude.

I'd fucking lose my mind. I'm like, what the fuck is happening? You know, I've been going crazy a little. It's like, this isn't sports, it's music. That's what I'm saying. Why does everyone make it feel like fans make it feel like college sports where it's like you pick your band. Specifically, Scott College. We're obsessed with it, whatever format it is.

Roll tide. Roll tide. Roll tide. Oh, no. Go blue. Oh, no. Oh, yeah, you're going to. I'm in a house state, man.

What are you under? You say, go hogs? Go dog. Oh, you're from Atlanta. He's a Georgia guy. Oh, you're an athlete kid. She went to U of M. I didn't go to

I lived in Athens but I didn't go to UGA That's the best way to do it You didn't get the student loans That's right Well this is my This is my problem with this jam scene fan bases

Very territorial Very territorial when Music should not be territorial It should be about all coming together And loving each other And fucking playing with each other What's your take on that guys? Alana do you have something

Ha ha ha I thought it's not a brain like Sorry Well, shit, dude. Listen, I think amongst us, amongst musicians, it's love, right? It's all good. I know, none of us.

They think it's like a big competition. We're like, hey, Mark, what's on? We want everyone to fucking succeed. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Like, in my mind, like, even, like, I mean, you look at any, you know, big music event, like, okay, like the Grammys, right? Everybody's got their little shit to say, right? If you are there, if you made it that far, like. Yeah, yeah.

Right. Like anybody, like I don't, you know, but like, yeah, the jam scene, I always say to people like that don't know about it. It's really like the NFL or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's true, dude. It's like, and so I try to always think about that because it gives me some kind of peace with it, which is that like, you know, you'll have people that are like, they love the,

they love the Green Bay Packers. Right. They love the Green Bay Packers. And they might like literally shit on that team for that season all year. and that's all they do is just go after them. But they're fans. I mean, they still love the Green Bay Packers. They'll still buy the jersey.

They're all in. No, like I would say, nobody hates fish more than fish fans. Right. Their own fans are their biggest haters. It's so weird. It's such a weird icon. But I will say this. Like, I just like in band's defense, like, I mean, or at least while I'll just talk about our band, we work fucking hard, man.

I know. Everything we have into this. Like, we love it. we we this is a full time 24-7 like obsession to make it happen like just to make it happen so sometimes I just wish that if I had to you know a wish it would be that just people realize like it takes a lot of really hard work like you know obviously we're having fun but like holy shit fucking stressful dude it's is I'm glad we're talking about I'm like stressed out every new tour I'm like God fucking damn it someone's gonna shit on me I feel like you're gonna shit on me I'm

like you're more stressed off tour because you're worrying about at least when you're on tour you're on tour you know how to be on tour but like off tour you're like more stressed about the upcoming tour it's very interesting like what you take hunter like does it stress you out to build a new tour to build a new tour like it's like the music and how you're approaching the next tour season you know we all approach it differently like you said you're making this concept record about what the identity of the band is now i mean it must be always in your head to redevelop the band for you know for the live setting versus redevelop the band for the album setting. You know, we haven't actually toured all that much in the past couple of years. So, you know, we do a lot of one-off. Smart, yeah, I was going to say. Lucky you.

It's not even that. I mean, we want to tour. It's a matter of just trying to make it all work, to be honest with you. So where we would want to go out and play for three weeks, we can't necessarily make that happen everywhere we want to make that happen.

Why? So it's like us to jump into, because the money doesn't work. Yeah, exactly. Because it doesn't work. We're not going to go out there and we can't afford to pay to play. You know what I mean? This is a living.

I like the transparency there. You're completely, you know what I'm saying? We've got to be able to make it work. Hunter, you're completely on it. And then they get mad that we're not playing Cincinnati. The fans get mad that we're not playing. I'm like, we literally can't afford this. This is our livelihood.

And like, do we, do we not? not like Cincinnati. I fucking like Cincinnati. Yeah, it's a good town, actually. It's not like I'm just putting you on time out. It's like we literally can't afford this. And there has to be a different way to approach touring where everyone is, I've been talking about this.

I feel like a broken record. But I'm glad you brought this up. It's getting harder and harder to afford going on tour. So how are we going to make a livelihood? And this is for the bands that are pretty making money. Like imagine being a- Yeah, look at STS-9. They fucking sold out Red Rocks.

Like imagine being like a new band. Yeah. Yeah. What's your take on your side? This is literally, Nick, dude, Nick, what you just said, like that's, that's like what I always think about. Like, what about, like, the music lives, you know, when people get together and young people get together and make music and they want to play for people, right? And they, like, get out on the road and they do it, right? That is going away, unfortunately.

Like, there is that, and that can. concerns me because that's where the music comes from. Like, that's where we all come from. We were all, you know, I'm sure Frasco, like, you know, you were out there in like a van and doing your thing. We, you know, STS9 did the same thing. Everybody that has done this, has done that, you know. And so that, you know, how everything's changing.

Like, we all know. I mean, everybody's talking about it, right? Touring's changed. We're all trying to pivot and adapt and figure out how to do it. We're trying to do double the shows this year than we did. last year in 2026 we're trying to double our shows right and it still won't even compare to what we were doing in like 2019 it won't even touch it right so

we're working hard to figure out how to make it make happen you know everyone needs to play ball including the managers taking less percentage including the bus drivers I mean I'll say it fuck it I know it's a tricky topic but everyone needs to start playing ball because if we stop touring they're not going to make any money Exactly. Because there's no streaming money.

What's 15% of zero? 15% of what? You want 15% of streaming money? You know, that we're not barely making any money. We make all our money through touring. So if it's not making it interesting, business managers need to take less money. Everyone needs to all realize that we need to keep this live music industry growing.

And if we're going to keep overcharging tickets just to pay for everyone's expenses, it's not going to, it's just not sustainable. Yeah, not to go back to football, but remember when Tom Brady would take like a lower salary so they could hire better people around them? It's like a similar concept to that. Don't get me started. Don't get me fucking started.

We should all just try to be like Tom Brady. I know, but then like you guys, I bet you guys are stressed now because you're doing double the shows. That means double the expenses. Yeah, but we're trying to, we've been literally, I mean, we talk about it all the time, but like for the last, would you say three or four years,

we've been working hard to figure out a new paradigm of how we're doing it. And we've spent a lot. I mean, we've been, like, I feel like people don't, you know, they think we're just out here. I don't know what they think we're doing at home,

but like a lot of our time is spent trying to figure this shit out. Right, yeah. They think we're just fucking musicians. They think we're just out there in our studios going like, grand, you guys are in your studios right now. And I am both in our studios. We're all.

We're all in a studio right now. We're all in the studio right now. No, man. We're... That's how it should be, ultimately. That's what I'm talking about. Why we're all doing content and all this other stuff because, you know, that's not the only thing we can do to make it work.

And that's what I'm fucking talking about. We're doing all this other shit. We've got to be on fucking social media. We got to be on... Alana, you're taking fucking... You're giving bass lessons. You know what I'm saying? We're doing all this just so we could fucking be part of the...

Give our music a chance. But when we're doing all this 60% of our brain from... that, we're not giving the music the dedication it deserves. Yeah. The music suffers, the art suffers, and our world suffers because of that. And that's partly what the human dream is about. You know, it's about using music and art to make a more human world. It's about using music and art to help us discover a higher truth beyond just this material

world that we've created for ourselves. And so hopefully the music can have a role in, you know, changing that. Because it's going to go away. The pace we're on the path we're on right now It is going to go away Or it's not going to be anywhere near what it was It's true It's a great kind of democratization

Of the stage of the last kind of decade or two And you just see that kind of dwindling and dwing Because then we're going to afford to do it Even the bands who are what's successful Are finding it incredibly hard to do Yeah I got to let you know Are you sure you're not a podcast host

Because what a transition back into the record That's a great transition What a transition back into the record That's my guy There, that's how we do it, huh? You could always... This isn't a obsession. This is all I do or think about.

You could always pivot to marketing. People don't realize this is our life. People don't realize that this is all we have is this. It's not like them showing up on a Tuesday once a, you know, maybe they'll be in the chat room seeing what's going on. They'll show up once a year to our show. We have to be thinking about this every single fucking day. Oh man, when I was young

And I You know You dread kind of going to work And having a real job Like how about you know That doesn't sound like a life You know Having this kind of nine to five

And watching what some of my family did And just it seemed like It was really stressful And then you realize You're getting to something like this And you never have a time off It's literally 24-7 Through the weekend every day

And it's a blessing Honestly I wouldn't have it any other way But it's not for everybody Do you have kids? I do not have kids I want kids A lot of you have kids? Yes,

got a son. See? You got kids, Frasco? What's going on? Nothing I know of. Hopefully not. You know, please don't fucking, don't be hitting me up, people.

But balancing that's got to be insane. I don't even know how you balance a kid or a relation. I mean, I've been single pretty much my whole career. And I could barely balance anything else besides this fucking music. I think the people who balance this fucking kids, family, still going to soccer games. Those guys are the real fucking heroes. Alana.

Alana. Yeah, shout's Alana. Let's go. How old your son now? He is about to be 17. Oh my gosh. That went fast. He's doing his thing.

Yeah, it goes fast. It's like last time I talked to he was eight or something. Yeah, probably. Yeah. I mean, it's crazy how fast it goes. but it's, I will say like if you, you know, like having kids in music, like you look at it on paper, you're like, how is this going to work? But actually it gives you a deeper appreciation for doing it and why you do it.

And it kind of puts it into a whole other level of like, okay, I, now like this is, you know, like I really got to do this in a different, you know, with a different, just focus, right? So, yeah, it is, it is an incredible. incredible blessing to have, be able to pull it off. It doesn't come without a massive amount of support and help from, you know, everybody. Well, yeah. I mean, like, and then like you deal with that.

And then the other half of your brain where you want to deal with music, you're doing with the business side of music to keep it surviving. So I think, uh, I just want to give you a big hug, Alana, because, uh, you know, you're doing a lot. And like, even, we haven't even talked about the fucking house burning down. Oh, you haven't talked about that, yeah. We actually have a song on the album about it.

Hold on, what's the song called? And how'd you approach it without crying every day? I would be crying every fucking day. Well, man, well, it's called Big Basin because we lived right next to Big Basin. That was like our little, that was like our playground, like our park that we used to go to, which is crazy. Big Basin is an incredibly large space. Hunter knows probably way more about it than I do because I didn't live in Santa Cruz as long,

but it's just an incredible area that really suffered the most of the brunt of the fire. We lived on kind of like the edge of it. And yeah, in 2020, our house burned down in the fire. And that's what brought us to Denver. But a lot of really cool things actually did come out of it, which is the big basin, the song. And it, you know, when I was recording it,

I was just definitely trying to just channel some of that, you know, energy. And I mean, God, it was a, I don't know, it's kind of surreal that it even happened. I mean, you know, Hunter was there with us the whole time. Like, Hunter and Brad, like, at the last minute drove up to the house because I realized I left something really important there. and yeah they drove through the fire a ring like great grandmother's ring that I hidden in the house

it wasn't in my yeah it wasn't in my stuff that I we had started we saw the fire we saw it coming so we started pulling stuff out and bring it to the studio so we had like everything at the studio we had like you know I mean it was so I mean so blessed that we were able to just have a space to go to like that to be like, okay, you know, we had just got, it was 2020, so we had just gotten all of our road gear from storage. We brought her all the Santa Cruz. I had like stuff in my house I never have

in my house. It was so bizarre. So we started like getting instruments out, getting all the stuff out. And the whole time, I think our attitude about it was like, this isn't really going to happen, but we're just going to take our stuff out in case, you know. We were actually, we were in a flood in Nashville. When we lived in Nashville, we were in like a 200-year flood, which kind of our mentality of it was like, we're just going to take all our shit out. And if we put it back, great, it'd be fine. And we really didn't think it was going to reach the house. And yeah, it was like, we kind of realized that it was going to and realized there were still some things up there. And Brad and Hunter went, you know, went up to the house and grabbed the stuff out of it. And like convinced the

guys to let you through. I mean, it was like fire. everywhere. You're like that. What was that movie? Backdraft? Who was the fireman? Yeah, the Backdraft. Yeah, yeah. Hunter out here, just fucking being a fucking king over here. It was yeah. I love that movie. Backdraft. It's so bad, but it's so good. Ass, but it was awesome movie. It's a good bad. It's what I like to call it. Man, that's funny he got over that. With all the people who went for it, I don't know. I've got something about that. Oh, really? Everybody, like, yeah, all the actors who

kind of went for that main role in Backdraft and who actually got it, he's like Billy Baldwin or something about that. Yeah, it was Billy Baldwin. So, that was crazy. I mean, Big Basin. Yeah. Tell me about, yeah, let's talk about Big Basin, but also talk about that experience of like seeing the fucking house. Like getting closer.

Like, how scary was that, dude? It was, you know, it was pretty scary. Honestly, it was, there was just so much kind of emotion and it was all happening so fast. We were at the studio just trying to understand what was actually going on. I mean, Big Basin's a huge park. It was like one of the first places, maybe the first place, they started saving Redwoods in California.

So it's got a lot of history to it. And it's just a, it's just one of the real great parks of Santa Cruz. But prior to that fire, the biggest fire in Santa Cruz was like 8,000 acres. This was 80,000. So it was something that we just weren't prepared to deal with. The city, the state wasn't prepared to deal with. So it just kind of burned and burned and burned for almost like two months. Oh, my fucking God, dude.

Yeah, we lived in kind of like this blade runner orange smoky. Scott, we couldn't go outside. They had to like, you know, cover our windows, cover our door seals. Like, I mean, it was just, it was insane. But like going to, you know, we were basically just hanging out at the studio trying to figure what was going on. And one of your neighbors, a lot of came by and saw Brad and said, hey, you know, there's a, there's a break.

If you want to go right now, you might be able to get to the house. And so me and Brad jumped on and took off and tried to, and got there as soon as we could. There's cops stopping people trying to talk people out of going up the one because they had the one blocked off. and we just said, hey, you know, and so they let us through. And there's a couple times we had to, like, stop on the side of the road and let the fire just burn across the side of the road.

And then it would kind of pull back, the wind would kind of pull back a little bit that we could pass. And then driving up, it was like on the side of a mountain house was. So, like, driving up the mountain, you could see all these, I mean, the whole thing was on fire. But these huge, Douglas firs and Redwoods were on fire. And you could see in one of the videos, we've got like probably 10 minutes of video, you know,

of the whole thing. And there's a moment I'm in the car and I say, you know, this is what we've got to watch out for coming back. There's a tree that was about to burn in half and cover the road. So we had a, there was a moment there we thought we might be stuck. So we tried to get to the house as soon as we could. When we got there, it was a miracle, honestly, because most of it was still up and still there. It was only one section of the house that had to completely burned away. And the rest was more or less there. And so we got there, it filled up our cars as quick as we could and just hauled ass back to the studio. Oh my fucking God. And that was all in the middle of COVID.

I mean, we're right. Yeah. That's the craziest part in 2020, dude. Yeah. It was just felt like the world was kind of falling apart in a way and that we were really, you know, kind of desired a more human world to live in. Yeah. I kind of go back.

We inspired a lot of what we were thinking about, like, how do we get to this point? What are we doing? Yeah. So it was one of those experiences that you kind of wonder. I don't know if we would do that again But oh my god Did you're superheroes, dude? Yeah

You fucking did that dude I mean that would be like you're my best friend forever If you did that you're my family I will babysit your kids Your future kids Hunter whenever you want Okay whenever you want I'll be there for you You want to go on a fucking day with your chick

I'm there buddy I'm there I got you dog Anything you ever need man I'm here He's got that all day I'm honest so when you're writing this song. So when you're writing song is this and this is what people don't understand when you put all your emotions

into a tune and then you have to play it every day to remind yourself of that fucking moment. How do you approach that? Is it like fulfilling? Do you get sad? Is it hard to play? Like what's what goes in your head, Alana? When you're playing that song. You know it's weird like sometimes

it'll hit me like sometimes it'll hit me in a weird way where I'll, there's a certain point of this song where it gets really intense. The end of it is like this bass drum like we're just trying to be as intense as we possibly can and so it's always there at that point in the song

that I start to be like oh my God you know but I also just really try to look at it like so many positive things did come out of that that I would never have imagined the song even the album I mean we I think when we got to 2020 I mean we really had a lot of songs that

we were for the album, right? But because of that experience, COVID, the fire, we were separated, it brought all these other songs out. And that's why the song, the album has 19 songs and we, you know, worked on it for eight years was because we kept writing more and more songs. It was like life was happening. It was inspiring us to kind of get that out. And so, yeah, a lot of that is just, a lot of the songs that came after that were definitely inspired by just life and yeah humanity I mean God we could have never imagined

ever that like first of all COVID then you know it was like holy shit like what just happened like you know because we were separated then we were really separated because we had to leave like Hunter said the sky was you couldn't we my son has asthma

we could not stay there. Oh my God. What the fuck? So obviously we didn't have a place to live. So we just, yeah, we, that's kind of what got us separated for a long period of time. But then we got back together. When we got back together, we recorded for like a week straight. You know, so, you know.

You know, that's my other question. Like, why does it take something like complete tragedy to get people to come back together? You know, 9-11? Right, yeah. We need another 9-11. Actually, never mind. We don't need another 9-11. But what I'm saying is like...

Maybe another 9-11 reaction. Without the 9-11 part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What I'm saying is, why does it take something like completely destroying to have each other's backs again? You know, do we just like take friendship and partnership for granted?

You don't know what you got until it's gone, right? Yeah. Right. That's sad. I think that's kind of great. I think that's ultimately what it is. And that's kind of what we're going through, I think, globally in a way. Our civilization is kind of going through that.

Our society is going through that. True. Yeah. So I think it's hopefully we can get to a point where we don't have to, you know, go through something terrible to remind ourselves that we are all connected. We're all one species. You know, we're all human beings who more or less want the same thing, that we can create a world that's built for us, that's made for us,

that works for us. That's fulfilling for everyone if we can kind of get on what you're saying right now. You know, which is like, how do we avoid catastrophe by just remembering that? We ultimately love each other. Yeah. Damn, Hunter, I fucking like you, dog. I never met you, and I like you. You're a good

motherfucker, man. He's chill. Yeah, you're chill. I was like... Have you heard him play guitar? He's chill on guitar, too. I mean, I love your band, man. You're a great band. What... Okay, so when... I know, let's talk a little bit more about the record. Was there any songs on the record?

It was just so hard to record. It was just like you weren't getting what you thought you had in your head. You know those types of songs on the record. Some come real easy. Then there's songs where I am going to stick with this process. I'm not giving up on this fucking process. There's some songs like that. And then it's either fulfilling or you overthought it.

Blood from a stone. So name a couple songs that you really had to fight for on this record. I'll say year infinity, presence of light, like I do maybe a little bit, just because the rhythm is just kind of weird. Your infinity kind of comes to mind the most, I think, just because it was from an era when we wrote The Universe Inside, our last album, about 10 years ago, 11 years ago. So it started then, and we loved it so much.

We really wanted to give it time to finish it properly, and it just took us a long time to figure out what it actually wanted to do. And I'm still not sure. It's coming out this week, and I'm still not sure it's right. They're never done. They're abandoned. All art is abandoned. Let it go.

Let it go. Like frozen. You did your job. You could always make a fucking live band. You always make a revision. Yeah, exactly. Remix. Remix that bitch.

Toss it in Ableton. Tosson Ableton. See what the fuck happens. That's right. It's so funny. Santa Cruz. How did you end up? I'm interested in how did you end up in St.A. Cruz from Georgia?

Like, what was the impetus for that? You know, we had toured in California a couple of times, and we had a bunch of friends from Athens who actually came out to Humboldt and San Francisco. And visiting them, staying with them, and I mean, we've got to come out here. We've got to just come stay out here for a little bit. And after artifact, we got a chance just to kind of, we just wanted to move. We wanted to do something different. Cool. And we said we're going to move to California.

And first it was kind of the Bay Area where we were looking to move to San Francisco and found out how expensive that was. Yeah, we're good. We're going to try to record. I ain't trying to fucking, yeah, have three jobs. So what's our plan B? And I actually had a friend who lived in Santa Cruz

who had a room. And that was all it was. It was like a friend who had a room in Santa Cruz, got here, had no idea what Santa Cruz was or anything about it to balance with you. And came and just really enjoyed. We, man, we had such a, we were just ready for kind of

new experience. We were pouring everything into STS9 and we're looking for a really incredible, honestly like a natural environment to be inspired by. And Santa Cruz is one of the most beautiful places that we've ever been. And so just kind of to have a place that we could, that was brand new, that we could immerse ourselves into, that we did have a connection to through friends and even old family. You know, some of my, uh, I've got family from California that, um, you know, I've got even cousins that live out here. But, um, you know, and then we just kind that we fell in love with it. And it just really kind of, I think it influenced our music more than we imagined it would

or could. And then just kind of fell into exploring that as much as we can. You know, the nature here is something just really different, especially coming from Atlanta where it was just, you know, pine trees and you got stone mountain and you got some mountains, you know, the Appalachians of our, you know, north of the city, that kind of thing. But here, you're kind of immersed in a whole different world. You've got, you know, movements of animals where, I mean, you've just got, it's just a completely different natural environment.

It's so fucking beautiful. Yeah. So that's what we really try to tap into for the music. And ultimately that's why we were here is to tap into that and to build a, you know, to build ourselves on the West Coast. Ever since it's getting a lot more expensive to live out there, have the hippies had to move somewhere else? What's going on?

The tech people coming in. What's going on? It's changed a lot. It has. It really has. It's gentified a lot. Oh my God. Even, I mean, where we are, where the studio is, where I am right now, it is, when we first moved here, there was nothing.

I mean, we were in, like, an industrial kind of wasteland of Santa Cruz, if there's any, you know. And now it's, like, one of the hottest parts of town. There's like a coffee shop, wine bars and other bars and food and ice cream. And, I mean, anything you do, I mean, it's just crazy. And that's all grown up since, more or less since COVID. So I think, like, Silicon Valley is about 25 miles away. Oh, okay. When COVID hit, a lot of people moved.

stopped going into work, basically, and work from home. And the Google buses, the Apple buses, Facebook buses that go and kind of pick up, that you see all over Silicon Valley, they started to come to Santa Cruz. And so people were just buying up houses. So it's a lot of Silicon Valley, Santa Cruz is now a part of Silicon Valley in a way that it wasn't when we first got here. And I think that's changing now that people are going back to work. So it seems like there's just kind of a constant flux of the city is constantly changing, honestly. They have their own buses?

Like there's like a Facebook Oh yeah Oh yeah This Facebook Apple Google They have their own like Van Hool buses With Wi-Fi and movie needs And you see them going up and down everywhere

That's how people get to work Hold the fucking line Hunter We got to keep artists in Santa Cruz Yeah yeah Yeah Yeah Nerds The only new

Don't let the nerds Take over a beautiful Another beautiful town This is a staunchly anti-nerd podcast This is an anti-nerd podcast Don't let the Anti-Tech guy anti-tech, only nerve musicians.

Unless we're using it to make stuff, then we hate tech. Let's do it. Run to my place. Unless they make it. Exactly, Nick. Yeah, way to go. Except to Ableton. I mean, I can talk to you guys.

I know you guys got to get back to it. Thanks so much for your time. I really love talking to you. Hunter, let's be friends, man. Alana, I fucking love you. I'm coming over. We're going to hang out. Let's have some coffee.

Let's go. I would love that. I didn't know you're in Littleton. I really thought you got to get her on a track, dude. I'm in. You want to... It's the best bass playing. Denver right now.

Oh, can I, can you want to go in the studio next? When you're done off tour, we'll set up some writing time. That'd be awesome. He pays fast. Sounds great, man. I pay really quickly, too. You'll get paid literally right when you're walking out the doors. It's incredible.

It's pretty incredible. I'm really good. I hate owing people money. That was not sarcastic, by the way. Sometimes people are going to me. No, it's true. But I really do hate owing bills. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That gives me, I get so nervous. You must hate a monthly subscription. I'll pay the whole thing in a year. You do the year thing. just so I don't have to think about it. It's actually cheaper. Yeah, but still then I'm like, you know, cash broke. Anyway, let's talk about that on another time.

We have fucking STS-9 there. Okay, guys, I love getting each side. Have fun on this tour. And, you know, with all this hard work, enjoy it too. You know, enjoy this shit. Oh, we will. You know, take a breath and realize all the hard work you did. It's a new record.

Enjoy it. Enjoy fucking figuring out how to make them better. Don't stress about a hunter. I know you get a little crate. I can see it. I can see it too. Kind of might get a little nuts with overthinking shit. I see it in his eyes.

Take a breath and realize you're a fucking kid. If you only did. That'd be a whole little podcast. Well, next time we'll do a therapy session. We'll do a therapy session. But Hunter, yeah, enjoy it, guys. Because you guys are a staple of this scene. You've built so many people like pretty lights and fucking big G.

Big gigantic. You've done a lot for the scene. And I know, I know the, I know the, the, crown weighs heavy. So don't forget to enjoy it. That's all. The crown weighs heavy. Is that a sad?

Yeah. I think it's heavy ways the crown. But you're there. Okay. You're there. You're there. I'll do that. Okay.

That was out of my head. That was good. The sentiment, you know, is there. That's all that matters. All right, guys, enjoy yourself and be safe out there. And, yeah, and make sure, through all the stress of touring, enjoy some parts of it, too. We'll do our best. And I'll just tell everyone to fucking take a pay cut.

All right. Have a good one. Also, don't log out right away. Oh, yeah, don't log out right away. Okay. Bye, guys. Enjoy yourselves. Later.

Thanks, Roscoe. Love you guys. We appreciate it. Bye, Nick. Bye, bye, bye. Good to seeing you.