Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast - Yelawolf Has Lived a Thousand Lives

Episode Date: July 28, 2026

Yelawolf opens up like never before. From becoming friends with Mac Miller and sharing the stage with Nas in the Swiss Alps, to surviving homelessness, fishing in the Bering Sea, and one of the wildest heartbreak stories we've ever heard, this conversation goes everywhere. Before we get to Rodrigo y Gabriela, Andy and Nick go down a rabbit hole about Charlie Crockett, outlaw country, authenticity, and whether artists change who they are to sell more records. This episode is brought to you by JamCut.IO (https://jamcut.io/). If you're a musician and you're tired of making clips all the time, check these guys out! He talks about losing Mac, why he gave away his entire wardrobe after Mac's death, his terrifying 5150 experience, writing through pain, the difference between loving yourself and being *in love* with yourself, and how his newest music was born from one of the hardest periods of his life. It's funny, heartbreaking, intense, and surprisingly hopeful. If you enjoy honest conversations with musicians, artists, and people who've truly lived some life, you're going to love this one. #Yelawolf #MacMiller #HipHop #MusicPodcast #MentalHealth #AndyFrasco #Interview ::: If you want, I can also make it more SEO-focused or more click-driven.

You're homies with Chief. Chiefs. I write songs of Chief. Oh, really? Yeah. That's one of my close friends. That's my dog. Hell yeah, that's my dog.

How'd you meet Chief? What did you tell me about his... By the way, hello, Yellow Wolf. How you doing? Welcome to the show. Let's clap a man. I'm gay, dude. Thanks for having me, bro.

What's that? I met Chief. My manager actually introduced me to Chief. I don't know if he... I think Chief... you know, chief is network God. You know what I'm saying? I think he, like,

befriended my manager at some bar. I was like, yeah, I want to try to meet Wolf. And he just brought him to the studio one day, man. We became fast friends, started making music. He helped me do it. He helped me write the, uh, ever, the, I produce Everlast new album, actually. And, um, he was doing some,

he helped pin some of those songs for him. What's, yeah, what's, um, what's your philosophy on, uh, producing versus? producing other people's music versus producing your music? Well, producing, well, I mean, it's like you're not producing the artist, you're producing the person, the personality, the fucking, the story, the, it's not just making music.

That I learned working with two different artists. It's a process, you know, especially if it's personal to them. and all of my records are that way. And I've produced two of my albums. And producing and writing and recording is so much. It's not something that I, you know, am excited to do again. I've like, I've actually allowed a lot of space for, especially on this last album, 45 for my producer to take the wheel.

you know what I mean and like just kind of like dude just produce produce me you know I mean I produce this record right um because it's it's a lot of uh it's a lot of work and honestly it could like deteriorate the quality of the song if you put too much effort into it and that's my that's how I feel like all the greatest songs have always come is it hard to get out of your own way um and what aspect Just like when you're writing music, when it's so internal, it's hard to, like, take advice from people before. Like, like, letting go of the control kind of a thing. Well, this last album, I invited my buddy D. Ray.

I write songs with D. Ray, too. Okay, cool. So, yeah. So. I mean not work together yet. Because I write so personally, and I've written all my music, my whole career literally, up until this last album. And so how I work with D-Ray is that, you know, I conceptualize what the record is. I start writing the record, and he's helping me, he has helped me map out a way to do,

your songwriting that, man, it's, it's like such a relief. Like, because I've never worked with someone and wrote a line and he's like, well, what if you say it like this? And I'm like, yes, dude, like that. You know, like, yeah, that's, that's the move. Like an editor almost. Finding, finding someone that I trusted took all this time, you know what I mean? And now I love working with him, man. I've co-written so many records with him.

And I still write records completely by myself. I wrote one, two or three of them already, on this new project I'm working on. But, yeah, but we, that's my dog. We've done a lot of cool work. So there's something about, there's something about country music writers, really, really good ones,

really, like, really good top line writers. That it's like, they, literally are the best songwriters in the world, in my opinion. The way that they twist clever lines, the way that they do, and saying so much more by saying so much less. Yeah. I mean, Mark Twain thing. I think there goes my life by Kenny Chesney. Yeah.

I don't know if you've ever heard that song. I think that's probably one of the best written songs ever in history. Like, that's just so, like, it's just like a perfect song. It's almost like Why is it perfect to you? Like Tom Petty. It's just that clever. It's that fucking clever.

It's like it's progressively clever. And the melody, of course. If you can wrap that melody and the music and the vocals, and the performance of it, like everything about it is just, it's just one of my favorite songs ever. You know, Tom Petty, you should do that too. Oh, yeah, for sure.

What do you think is a perfect record to you? A perfect record is timeless completely. It's like there is no timestamp. It's forever. That's a perfect song. If you write a song that's like trendy or you're hopping on some weird wave or whatever that's happening, and that's a sinking shit.

Yeah. What about perfect artists? Like you love Mac Miller. What did you love about Mac? Well, first of all, he was my friend. You know what I mean? And I met him when we shot the double X, uh,

double XL cover with Kendrick, Lamar, and I forget who else is going on there. We met at, we met. Are you talking about the freshman mix tape then? Yeah, the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was the freshman cover. Yeah, like all the new artists or whatever, they were coming out at the time. And, uh, hip-hop artists, obviously.

But, um, yeah, it was me, Mac and Kendrick. And I do. I forget, no disrespect to anybody else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually. And so anyway, we just met then and just became homies. And then, you know, like, we never did music together. We just stayed in touch, like, on the phone. You know what I mean?

Like, I just, I did a show with him in the Swiss Alps, though. With, it was me, him, and Doc. Yeah, it was me, Mac Miller, and Nas. Holy shit. Hold on. Hold on. Yeah, it was like, Swiss Alps. Give me some stories of what happened in the Swiss Alps with you three hanging out.

I mean, I got hammered by like at least five o'clock. You know what I mean? Like my set was like at one. And, and then I watched Mac play. And then, of course, Nause. and then I was just, dude, it was at a, it was a ski lift resort type of deal. Right. But they set a stage out in the parking lot.

Yeah, I was, we were already in, I was already in Europe on some festival run shit and like a co-headline run. And they were running me to death back then, dude. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. So many goddamn shows. Yeah.

What were the years when you started feeling like you were just too burnt out for this? I'm still not burnt out But that was just like That particular era Was Dude Like We would do like

I'm not kidding you I think we One time we went from New York To Paris To Germany Back to New York For a connection

flight to go to Arkansas and some shit and in like four days. What the hell? Like, we were in a different country every day. And then it was just a gnarly it was a gnarly time. My booking agent

was out of his mind. Yeah, getting that 10% no matter where you go. You're getting that 10% wherever you go. It has to go from Germany to Arkansas, my man. He's in Whole Foods, getting a salad. I'll tell you what I'll tell you what was funny. One funny thing about that time, I wasn't really getting to the money quite yet.

And we got on the flight to come back to the States, and Mac Miller walked past me going to first class, and he was like, sorry, dog. Oh, man. He's like, you'll be here. Because I was sitting coach, and he was already getting to the bag. So he was like, fuck this. he got a first class seat home. That was funny. It's like I'll see you in a year or two up here.

Yeah, peace. I'll send you a champagne real quick. You know? Yeah, I caught up with him pretty quick, though. Nice. Yeah, money goes. But, yeah, thank God. Yeah, but yeah, when he passed, dude, I was really,

I was really surprised. I was surprised how deeply I was affected by that, man, actually. I mean, I loved Matt. but I didn't know that I cared about him that much. You know, I just saw when he passed away, I was in Nashville, and I just took everything in my closet. And I had a flagship store at the Times, the American flagship store of my clothing and apparel brand.

And I just took everything in my closet and put it in the parking lot on hangers and gave everything away just because, I don't know, I just felt like I wanted to do something good. What was the first thing that you handed to somebody? I didn't hand anybody anything. I put my clothes out and I was like, I set it up. It looked like a store. I had all my people that worked for me, set it up.

It was all nice on hangers. Hats, jewelry, jackets, shirts, pants, shoes. And I mean like a hundred pair of shoes. And like, it was like a full store. And you could, you could, we had one rule. You could only get one of something. So you get one pair of shoes. You get a whole outfit.

You could get shoes, shirt, pants, jacket, hat, a piece of jewelry. But you couldn't get a double of something. So ended up, like, putting clothes on, like, I don't know, like 300 people or something like that. It's fucking awesome. That's awesome. Walked away with, like, Lou Casey's, you name it, Gucci, Palacaga. Like, it was, like, no joke, shit. Like, shot jackets and shit, man.

People came up. and hats. Oh yeah, people really, really came up for sure. So what were you going through? What was in your mind that it felt like you had to give away all this stuff? It was like a plurge? It was a purge. I felt, for one, I wanted to do something good because it was just so tragic, dude.

And I mean, you know, we share a lot of the same fans, believe it or not. You know what I mean? And so they understood the same. sentiment, you know. But I do that. I've done that before, not because of someone passing, but sometimes I'll just, like, empty my closet and put it on the street. I've done that a few times, actually, like put a few hundred pairs of shoes on a sidewalk or whatever and just put on Instagram, hey, man, if you show up, you can have it, you know? Do you, yeah, it's like the idea of, like, how much you really need in life, you know? Yeah, what I say, you know, you know, clean your

house and make room for abundance, you know? So that's how I see it, you know. Yeah, how much, yeah, exactly. How much do you, you don't? You don't need, you don't need much. But I do love things. I'm boozy as shit. I see that car.

Yeah, we see that car. What is that? It's a Rolls-Royce, right? It's a Rolls-Royce calling it. Nice. A fucking gangster. Damn. I love it.

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But my mom was 16 when I was born, okay? Because she was just a kid, man. She didn't really, and she was a full-on rock star, you know what I mean? Like straight up, like cocaine, dealing fucking real rock star that was married to like, like, Aerosmith's light and sound tech when I was like just a baby. I mean, so like that was. And her first boyfriend was like a fucking hell's angel biker. And like her, you know, like, you know, like, it.

It was always that kind of vibe around my house. And she was just wild, man. She would just go and just be just, she didn't get to live her young life. So she just popped up and dropped me off. She picked me up. And she just told me on the way to where we were going. And she was like, hey, I'm going to drop you off for a couple weeks. I was like, where?

And I hated babysitters at that time. I was so fucking sick of them. I was only like six or seven, but I already had a bad taste in my mouth for babysitters because she would just look up in the paper and, like, grab a babysitter. You know what I mean? That was kind of like the routine. Anyway, my first heartbreak is her. She was like, I'm going to drop you off for a couple weeks.

I'm going to Florida. And I was just like inconsolable, bro. Like for like that whole two weeks, I just couldn't believe that I'm at this stranger's house and my mom was gone, you know what I mean? Like, I honestly thought she would, she was never coming back. And, you know, there was no cell phones back then. I couldn't, like, call her, talk to her or anything. But that was the first time that I really felt that, like, deep, deep, like, when you actually hurt,

and it, like, makes you physically ill, you know what I mean? Like abandonment? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was, yeah, that. And then just recently, like, and I mean, recent. like the past like three weeks like I've just been able to to actually just even speak about it. My, um, my ex-wife now, Titi Dobson, who I've been with for almost 16 years, we'd, we've separated in divorce or whatever.

And then, uh, but, you know, I'll always love, you know, you can't stop loving somebody, you know what I mean? It just don't work like that. And, well, she came back into my life very briefly just a couple, like three weeks ago, maybe. And I felt just really deeply back in love with her. And then whatever, whatever, she's gone again, man. And like, well, turns out she was in a relationship. you know what I mean and Oh fuck

She didn't tell you She didn't tell you She didn't tell you Well she told me the next morning But I was like I was just like I was just like well Whatever

I'll you know Well We'll tell them what's up then You know I wasn't even tripping I was like I was like I was like All right well just let him know

It's a rap you know And then she hung out with me For like a week man You know Taking her to dinners You know Plan to trip to France offered her a new house car.

Like I went in. I was like, I was like, dude, I'd just come back. And then I finally asked, have you told this? Have you told this boy what's going on? And she was like, I could tell she had. And I said, look, I'm going to go find this kid. And I'm going to tell him myself. You know what I mean?

I didn't know what he looked like or his name. I just knew he worked at a, I ain't going to put him on blast somewhere. Right. Did you show up? Yeah, I went and got, I got, I pulled up with two, I went and got two of my goons, like, for real, like two of my real goons. Because I didn't know who it was. And my, my goons are intimidating, man. Like, I'm talking about white boys, baldhead completely covered in tattoos.

Oh, yeah. Like, like, DMS, like, crew. Right. Like, he knows what it is immediately. You roll up to his parking line In a Rolls Roy's with two years. There was only two places that what he's, that served what I knew.

I had a hint. But I didn't know. But so the first place I walked in, man, I walked right past the front desk and pushed open the double swinging doors to the kitchen. And I was like, which one of y'all is dating Fifi Dobson? And I had much of people with me. Oh, my.

My God, bro. That's so badass. That's fucking gangster. What happened? And, well, I say, you know what senior manager back here? I need to talk to everybody. And I had the whole staff in there. I said, which one of y'all is the people?

And it was like, not, no matter. And one dude kind of looks suspicious. I was like, are you sure? He was like, no, no, no, man, no, no, no. I was like, all right. So we took off. And then the next, the next spot

there was no, it was right off the street, there was no parking, the parking was behind the place. But I pulled the Rose Royce over the sidewalk and left the grill three feet from the front door. I'm not shooting. And I jumped down and opened the door.

I opened up and I opened up the door and he was wearing her hat. Oh my God. Unmistakable. Like I had that I've seen for years and I was like, yep. He turned around and started walking the other direction and I was like, yo, yo.

And when he turned around, man, I swear to God, my, what I thought was going to be aggression just went, I just, it just went straight sympathy, man. I felt so bad for the kid. Right. Like, I really did, man. I was like, I was like, dude.

Yeah, she was lying to both of you, right? Well, she was lying to him. Or not, well, not really lying, just not telling him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she was, so I was like, yo, dude, I let a cigarette for him. I took him outside, I lit a cigarette for him. I was like, listen, man, you know where your girl's been for the past seven days?

And he was like, working studio. I was like, nah, she's been in my bed, bro. Damn. Oh, my fucking God. You did him a favor. You basically did him a favor. Yeah. And he was like, well, it's about to be over in about two hours.

And I was like, good. And I was like, dude, I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry I had to tell you this. But now in my mind, I was doing the heavy lifting because I know Fifi, she doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. And I thought that she would give me a call saying, thank you for that, you know, being a man standing up, you know, like, thank you for being respectful to him. And I just didn't have the hard to tell him. She did the complete opposite, bro. Don't bother him no more.

keep him out of this. Don't bother him. Keep him out of this. You know what I'm saying? Like keep. Like I was like, what? Really? Like, of herself?

Or she just like trying to be too proud? I don't know. Well, man. I don't. I, I don't, I, I can't really put logic to it. I just know that, you know, she didn't know what to do with it. Regardless.

Dude, I've never felt. Dude, I've never felt like that, like, that. I just never felt that before, man. I was so distraught, bro. And I was like, it was like weeks of, like, just breaking down, like, on control to be, bro. Oh, man, I'm sorry to hear that, bro. I'm talking about, like, well, I mean, you know, it's something that I had to go through it. I just look at it as something that I earned somehow and some karma, you know, maybe, may, I, I just felt.

like it's something that I had to feel like for real but man I was I was I was going to open up a show for sublime and I didn't know how I was going to get through it because this was like week two of this shit and I I'm in I just can't come out of it you know what I mean it's just like driving me crazy and um you know like I was like for real for real like passively the first like four days for real, for real. I was like, like, passively suicidal. I was, like, jumping out of my roles and jumping in people's window and, you know, trying to start fights with the biggest motherfuckers in the club, you know what I mean? Like, like, wanting somebody to take care of, you know what I mean? Like, I was, I was, I was other shit. But thank God I came off that

trip, but then not. Like, you wanted to get hurt? Yeah, for sure, man. I was putting myself in real, real crazy situations. But, you know, you know, my angels are real, dude. Like, That's some real shit. God showed up, man, and took care of that. It took me off that ledge. But the heartbreak stayed around for a while. But anyway, when I was in trying to do this show, I got through the show miraculously opening up for Sublime,

which was like 30,000 people, you know. And it was an important show in Portland. My manager was just like, dude, you need to get in the studio, bro. I'm locking out two weeks for you. And I just did that. I just did an album. He's like, man, that's the only place. You need to go let this go, bro.

And so he did when we got back to Nashville. Oh, dude, he's the best. Edward Crowe. Well, I've known him since I was like 12 years old. We met right in your feet. He knows exactly what you need to cope with your, with whatever you're coping with, and it's the right music. Yeah, man.

And let me tell you, the music is turning out insane. I mean, 45 is already like, I wish you guys what I've heard it we've been sending the album out I'm surprised they didn't send it to you I'll ask I'll ask Chief

I'll ask Chief for it if that's cool no no you ain't got to ask Chief man Chief ain't got my album he ain't that cool Yeah you hear that Chief motherfucker Hold on

I love I love Chief too I love Chief to death I'm I'm being caddy I know you are We just We're holding on to the record and like obviously

it's not out yet, so nobody's got it. But we've been letting people hear it with an NDA so we could do a real interview about it. I love it. Hey, Wolf, what, you talk about, you talk about suicide. Seems there's been a few times in your life you've talked about this or had to dealt with this.

What are the other times? Oh, man, dude. Well, and the first time I was introduced to suicide was my, my mama, I was up, I was living with my grandmom at the time in South Side Alabama. She was like, Michael Wayne, go rest in peace, Barbara Mitchell. She goes, Michael Wayne, go get your mama. And I was like, and when she says Michael Wayne, my heart already dropped.

I was like, because it's either I'm in trouble or something serious has happened. So I'm like 14. And she hands me the keys in my papa's truck. She goes, go get your mama. And I was like, where is she? She's like, she's trying to hang herself in Benny's barn. Oh, my God. And I was like, what?

And so, yeah, I pulled up and sure enough, there was mom up in that barn, like, already bleeding, trying to make it happen with a fucking coat hanger. What? But anyway, yeah, that was my first time. And then there was a pattern with my mama for a while. And I tell you how my mama was already so used to. My mama was like, hey, I said, why I got to go get her? She goes, because if I go over there, I'm handing her a load of shotgun. I'm sick of a shit.

That's how hardcore my grandmama was. Wow. Because. Did she raise you? Did you grow up? Raise you? Yeah, yeah. My mom and papa raised me with my mama in and out.

But yeah. But yeah. So, and then, you know, over the years, look dude i'm too scared of god to take my own life but i have been i've been like in situations where you know i definitely didn't give a fuck like you know like you know i'd be 16 years old 17 years old in a parking lot and a shoot off starts going off and everybody takes off running and i just stand there and smoke like like like you know you know i was just like i was just like fearless you know what i'm saying like well gazen is fucking rowdy bro

Jazz in Alabama. But yeah, so, and then I, you know, when I caught my 51-50 in San Diego, people thought I was suicidal because I was bloodletting and I, I, I, that was a ritual. I should have kept that shit to myself, but I stunned it online and, and I got picked up and put in the, what happened? I don't know this story. What happened? Um, well, I got really loked out for a while. Like, um, yeah, like my 22 year old me pop back up because, well, I was smoking weed, which I never should have been doing and dabs and smoking every fucking thing. And it was making me extremely schizophrenic bipolar, you know what I mean?

And I just went, I just 86th, dude, you know, like doing crazy shit, like trying to, like starting to shit with LAPD. Like, like, running up on, like, I'm telling you, like, blocking traffic on Sunset Boulevard with my lowrider for miles. You and Everlast. Everlast was like that too. He was a kid. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I was also at the time I was skateboarding like a maniac. So I was living with Danny Way.

And, uh, because I, I had just left, I left my tour bus. Jelly Roll was actually opening for me on this tour. Jelly Roll and, um, struggle. And he was on your label, right? No, no, I never saw on Jelly. Oh, okay. Um, but I did produce a record on him, uh, Waylon and Willie. Waylon and Willie, him and a struggle.

But anyway, when we got to LA, I was over it. I was like, man, I'm done with tour. And we had like, I don't know, eight shows left to do. And I said, man, I'm just going to go skate. And mother was like, well, you're going to, what? I was like, dude, I'm going to just go skateboard. So I hit up Danny Way, stay with him and just was skate his park every day. But then I go down to the beach on my own and I was doing bloodletting, which is like, you know,

just cut yourself with a razor and bloodlet and I was making art out of it. I was dripping it on my white vans. And they actually, they actually ripped that by the way and made that shoot. Really? I think I see that. I swear to God. What the hell?

I met Steve Van. I met Steve Van Doren in his office and confronted him about that. What do you say? I was like, I was like, dude, I was like, dude, just get, I was like, just give me a job. it's giving me the money we're good like I know

yeah I got you I'm like anyway um uh yeah he was super cool so you're bleat you're doing uh blood art and stuff

and you're just go go back yeah so and then so people around me were thinking I was suicidal and I was like snapping on motherfuckers like anyway like jumping off stage and fighting fans and it was already a fucking

a shit show, you know what I mean? Like, because I was, I was checked out, man. The, the, the music had my life and my career and what had combined with the streets and, like, all of that shit and smoking weed and checking out and dabs and all. It just, it just, I just snapped, man, you know what I mean? What else can I say, you know, but time heals. Who got you out of it? Who got you out of it? Well, I mean, well, I took, well, so Paul Rosenberg.

Marshall Mathers and Travis Barker conference called my dad. Whoa. And flew him to L.A. Because they said something's not right with Wolf. Something isn't right. You know, like you got to... Hold on. How old were you, Wolf?

Here. 30, 34, 33, 34, maybe. Okay, so. Marshall. I mean, I didn't get a record deal until I was. I was still all shady. And I didn't get a record deal until I was 30. So this is like, yeah, so I'm like 34.

So Travis, Marshall, they call your dad, Rosenberg. Yeah, and Paul. And so my dad flies out to L.A. He can't get to me, you know what I'm saying, like at all. And I, and when I walk off, he's trying to get me to stop. You know, I'm like, man, I was like, basically, I was like, man, fuck out of here. You know what I mean?

Like, you don't know who you're fucking with. I didn't, I didn't meet him until I was 15, you know, and I adopted him as my father. But he didn't, he had never seen the street side of me. He didn't know the things that I had been through. You know what I mean? And, like, that's the zone that I was in at the time. And so anyway, I left him. And then I went to the skate shop where Danny Ways, Danny Ways' first sponsor right there.

on the beach and I came out and some fans were like hey man if I buy the shoes will you do your bloodletting on some vans? I was like yeah sure

so they bring them out on the sidewalk I do it for their for their vans and a fucking two cop cars pull up damn and there's my dad hopping out of the back of one of them

and it was like a perfect storm man in there bleeding, you know, like, everybody claiming I'm suicidal. And they cuff me up and send me to a really personal signature. But like out of context, it's like, looks really bad. Dude, like, that shit was heartbreaking, man, my dad. I was like, I sitting in the back of that cop car looking at my dad, like, really? Fucking.

Why were the cops involved? Like, what were you doing? Why did he call the cops? Because it. 5150 means endangerment to self or other people. Oh, wow. So someone can call in and be like, yo, I'm afraid he's going to hurt himself or hurt someone else. And that's what's called up 5150.

When they rolled up on me, clearly, I was fucked off. You know, like, I was bleeding. Like, all the parts were there. So they sent me to that fucking mental mental. mental ward and I wouldn't take no medicine. That was bothering the, that was bothering the, um, that was bothering, bothering the, um, the doctors because they, they would, they would, I wouldn't allow them to give me any pills or do any injections.

So then they sent me to the second floor. And then they sent me to the third floor and the fifth day, six, they sent me to the fucking padded room. What? You know what I mean? Like, whoa. Yeah, dude, dude, I'm talking about crayons and coloring books next to my bed and a fucking padded room and

Was it kind of nice a little bit? Yeah, was it peaceful? No, man, it was terrifying. It was fucking. It was like, it was like, dude, I can't believe. Bro, like, they would have security guards, two security guards standing around me while I showered and shit. Oh, wow.

Just in case you killed yourself or tried to kill yourself or what? I guess, I guess. But I told, you know, Anyway, when I got finally got the fuck out of there I just told mom I was like Because she was the only one up there Allowed to visit me And I said don't worry

I'm gonna turn it into a brand And that's what I did I turned 5150 into a whole Fucking tour Made it a brand Turned it into You know yeah The 5150 all over pattern that's now signature cheer for Slamarican and you know do you feel like you do this a lot with your life you go through

this suffering to make the art or just does the art make you no man like i've uh i've been through it to do what i do it's just like this last heartbreak situation and now look i'm making some of the most arguably some of the most beautiful music that i've ever made because of i because of what I went through with this. I didn't ask for it. Yeah. You know? I didn't want to go through that shit, man.

I didn't want to. But, you know, what else do you have when you're an artist? You know, and I was, not all artists are this way, man. Like, because, you know, some artists sit in a room with five songwriters and they just perform a song. I write about my life, you know. Like, that's why everyone responds to the reality. That's why you have lifers, man, because. because you're honest with it.

Yeah, and, you know, and when we did 45, man, I told Malay, man, I said, dude, I'm tired of, like, hurting. Like, because not only am I going through it, I write it and then I have to perform it. That'd be the worst. Yeah, yeah. That's the worst part of this.

To live it over and over again. Yeah, and you have to kind of, like, displace yourself, like, and not let it kind of get to you. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I might not feel like performing a certain song, but if I didn't perform it, my fans would lynch me, you know what I mean? Like some of my classics, I got to play them. And it doesn't matter what, but, uh, what song do you hate playing that you have to play

all the time? Like, you're just fucking, you're so over it. I don't want to play this song anymore. Um, because it's heavy turns. I don't have any of those songs. No? No, I don't, I don't have any of those songs. No, no, no.

Whether it hurts or not, I'm very proud of my music and what I've done, you know. So, and, you know, for the fans, man, they pay to come get a show, man. That's what they're going to get, you know. I'm going to leave it all on the stage. What do you think about yourself, Wolf? Huh? How do you feel about yourself, like, internally, like, as a man? You love yourself?

Man, I'm starting to. that's good you know what I mean I I I don't have a choice right now man like I you know this uh I'm I'm not I can't give up dude you know I have too many people that love me and care me care for me and like even the thought of breaking their heart is enough to to keep me pushing forward you know what I mean like and yeah but yeah I'm sorry I'm I'm starting. I'm starting to figure that part out. Something that I realize I've leaned on,

I certainly leaned on Fifi for it for a long time. Yeah. And that's, I know that that's a reason why I was, it was hard. It was hard for us because of, I didn't have that care for myself. I would like lean it on her,

but because I didn't care for myself, I was like destroying my, my everything man i was a i came in hot bro what's i mean i came in hot there's nothing there's no other there's no other way to it's a really good way to put it though i'd still be thinking about that fucking hat that dude was wearing i'd be like oh my god dude that let me tell you something that that part that's crazy that part that part you wouldn't believe how much that affected me i just couldn't believe it i was like i was like dude No.

My God. Like, and her crooks. I was like, dude, I was like, I was like, why'd you wearing all her clothes? Why did you wear her clothes? I don't know, man. I just know this. The other part was like, FeePee don't do that. Like, she's very, uh-uh.

She ain't going to do that. So that, that was like, well, you know. Yeah. What job was he working? What job was he working? You're rolling in a Rolls-Vorreys? No, I can't. I can't.

You don't want to put him on blast it out. Just tell me, we'll bleep it out. I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't have a Rolls-Royce. You roll in with the Rolls-Vorice, like, T-Rex from Jurassic Park with the water. Fucking shaking.

Yeah, I don't, I don't think, I don't even think he got a car. To be honest. Okay, it's like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, like, I mean, whatever. I tell you this, I finally, I finally got to the point where I, I was honest with her. I said, listen, if you're, first of, I don't know. I don't know how she got wrapped up so, so quick, you know what I mean?

Right. But I was, because I ain't got no space. I ain't got no love right now for no, no woman. Like, are you kidding? That's, I can't even think about that. But is it hard for you to trust people? Wolf, your whole life has it been hard to trust people? People?

Yeah. Nah, I, I, I, I, the people that I keep around me, I trust, yes, very much so. Do I trust. So when people? Random, random people, hell no. And I don't trust women at all. And I don't know if I ever will again, you know, like, I already, when you get burned like that. well you know man listen i love fee fee and i actually manned up and i was like listen if you're in love

or love this person you need to go make that work if that's what makes you happy then that's what needs to happen you know what i mean but you know that's it you know like that's pretty matured what about younger wolf would younger wolf say the same advice the younger wolf the younger wolf would a drug that dude on the street and and let them laying there see you're growing i'll clap the That was stuff. There you go, baby. We're growing.

Yeah, like, that's the studio. Dude, actually when we got back in the car, my boys were like, uh, who was that? And I was like, who, who was who? That, you, who was that? Oh, talking about you, not him. That's talking about me.

Hey, man, come over here. Let's have a cigger. Let's talk about this. You in love there? Man, that's really mature of you, Wolf. That's pretty good, man. I didn't ask him if you. was in love with her, I said, I said, look, man, she's in love with me, period.

You know, but apparently, apparently she wouldn't. Or, man, I don't know, man. I don't know how to put it together yet. I'm still, this is just weeks into the process, but, you know, I got to be real, you know what man, you want to talk about heartbreak, you know, it's like. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's a, so that's the beautiful thing about, you know, being an artist is We have a way to release that.

Some people don't have that outlet. They just hold in all this guilt and hold in all this poison. And I believe that's what gives people cancer. I mean, it's definitely a part of it, you know. But the gift of being an artist is the gift that you give people like that that don't have a voice. They don't know how to say. They don't know how to say it. That's why, you know, when you, when you,

when I, when I do my meet and greets, I hear people all the time just the confessionals and the, you know, you changed my life or, you know, we got married to your song or like, whatever. It's, it's, it's, it's that voice that you give people that that's the connection, man. So that's the gift of it. Um, and that, that's the, that's the, uh, silver lining to the whole hurting and going through it. and creating it and having an outlet. The real silver lining is the joy that it brings other people, which is a really fucked up thing to think about.

Like, man, it's like you gotta... To be an artist, you gotta live on a cross, you know what I mean, in order to deliver music that makes other people happen. Right, while you're suffering, you're bleeding out on paper,

just so people can feel something. Yeah, but like I told Malay on this last record 45, I said, dude, I just want to be happy. Matter of fact, I said, I don't even want to cut this in Nashville. It was cold. And, you know, weather really affects me the way that I write music. And so we booked out a studio in Albany and the Bahamas to make this record just so that I could be in a really beautiful environment. You know what I mean? And soak up some of that good energy.

You know, if there's one thing out of this interview of getting to know you too Also, man, we're close homies with there We got to you know, we got to wrap it up in Nashville But I want to know that you are loved, man You should feel the love inside you Because you give out so much love to everyone If there's one thing out of this friendship This new friendship, hopefully Wolf

Is I'm going to make you love yourself, dog Let's go Yeah, man. I mean, I do, I'm, look, I, I love what I've done. I love, I love the gifts I've been given my, you know, the talents God has blessed me with. I love my, I love a lot of people, you know, but that's like a, that's a work in progress, bro. Because, you know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of, uh, you, when you come up,

as real as I did like in the streets and like Yeah, you've had a life, bro. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot to unpack, you know what I mean? And, uh, but I'm working on it, bro. You know what I mean?

Like, I, I, I do love myself, but I'm trying to be in, in love with myself. There is, you know what I mean, there's a difference. I'm gonna clap to that too, my bro. Let's fucking go. That's what I'm talking about. Um, hey, Wolf, ask you a couple more questions before you go um you know what you're homeless you're homeless everyone

talks about the bad things about being homeless what are the good things about being homeless like the fun stuff shit man uh robin the pizza man man the pizza man man that does that does that sounds kind of fun that sounds kind of it's pretty fun actually i like let's go rob a pizza man the night you don't want to be homeless to do that would you take the pizza or the money Both. Yeah, both. We don't leave the money. Let's go.

They only got 20 bucks on them, though, right? No, look, I used to, one of my licks was, I call it. I was in Seattle homeless, and I called and ordered five large pizzas and tell them to bring change for a hundred. Oh, no. And then I just walk up to him and be like, give me the pizza. Give me the money. Oh, my fucking. Fucking God, I love it.

And they're like, you serious? I'd be like, I got five goons in the bushes waiting to jump out if you do anything stupid. And there would be nobody there. Yeah, right. Where did you get your confidence from, Wolf? Who taught you this confidence? Man, I grew up quick, man.

My mother is a gangster, dude. Like, seriously. Like, I mean, she's, you know, I've, I've watched my mama, a lot of grown men savagely. You know what I mean? She's a she's a, she's a jeed, man. And like she still,

she still carries a pistol, a pink pistol on her hip for a 45 that says mama wolf on her hip to this day. Rides of, trite Harley Brown that I bought her. And I asked her why she, why she carries a loaded gun with her everywhere she goes. She goes, I can't fight no more. Damn.

Is she still in Alabama? Yeah. At the most. You kidding? But my, yeah, my confidence definitely comes from my mother. You know what I mean? Like, she, she don't, she don't get, she doesn't care time or place. If it's going down, it's going down.

No disrespect allowed ever. So, and she's beautifully dressed, you know what I mean? She got me into fashion when I was, you know, really young because we were around all the rock stars and shit. And, you know, so I got to give her flowers for, you know, she just put me around rad shit, man. And also very dangerous shit, too. But, you know, but as far as like music and fashion and all that goes, man, that started at the house, man. What do you think she was sad about younger? My mama?

Yeah. What was she, what, what did she be sad about what about her life? In retrospect, like, what do you think she was down on? Oh, she's got daddy issues, bro. Her original father bailed when they were, when they were just babies. And that affected her pretty deeply. And she's got a thing for bad boys, bro. Like her first long-term boyfriend, John Orchard.

Yeah, he was just, he was a dick, man. There's no two ways about it. Like, I mean, and he was a rock and roller, you know, like I said, Aerosmiths, light and sound guy, Alabama. Mollet, denim jeans. Oh, yeah. I did get one bit. fit it out of it like ever ellersmith and run dmc walked in my front door when i was seven years old

word up what the fuck what the fuck walt he's like walk this way no they brought me they brought me my deeders merch uh license to ill tape um because they because Alabama was a dry county and they had a show in birmingham they had a show in birmingham on a friday and they needed somewhere to party on Saturday and my mom's boyfriend had a house on the lake and they had all the drugs. So that's where they went to party. So, yeah. What's this, tell me about Alaska. What about, are you talking about my fishing trip?

Yeah. Like the closest you came to dying out there. Yeah. Well, that was right after leaving Seattle after being on the streets. I finally hustled up a spot to get on a boat and, yeah, man, did a whole season. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I did a whole season in a Bering seat.

Like you ever seen Deadly as catch? Are you fucking serious? You can make a lot of money doing that if you survive. So what was that like? I didn't. Fuck, man. Was that horrible? I mean, that was the, that was really the birth of, um, I paid a lot of, I paid a lot of karma out there.

Yeah, a lot of karma, man. So I, what was the moment? What was the moment that birthed it? Yeah, dude. Like, it's traumatic. First of all, it wasn't no,

we're talking about a junk boat that some, that some Russians left in the, in the boatyard that some new captain just bought. I mean, it looked like a bad new, it looked like a hooty. And, um,

we built that factory on the way out. Like, what, what did we know? It was just a bunch of kids. He hired, Literally, it was like some fucking Peter Pan shit. Like, what's the name? Captain Hook or whatever?

Yeah, yeah, Captain Hook, yep. Yeah, it was just a bunch of kids and a fucking gnarly captain. I mean, like, it was fucked off, man. Like, just street kids. So I was like, we didn't know what the fuck we were doing, man. It was wild, man. We built a factory. Imagine me down there welding and shit, man.

Like, what are you talking? I don't know what the bar. And I came home with $1,000. He robbed us. Damn. And he was doing like illegal. He was doing illegal offshore trades. Like we were docking with like boats from, from Japan and like craning over the catch, like selling for.

Holy shit. Taking all the cash. Yeah, you're not supposed to do that. It's amazing. You've been burned a lot, man. I would not trust anybody. I mean, I don't. Yeah.

I trust my friends. I trust my friends who are, I trust people that have been vetted. How do they get to the point of friendship with you, though, Wolf? Um, I don't know. That's something I, I, I think when people treat me like a person, instead of an artist, uh, that's the easiest way to become a buddy. You know what I mean? like just like can we talk about anything but music you know what i'm like that too or like

or like don't drug don't ask me don't ask me don't ask me what's it like how's him and him you know mean type of shit like that this is like all right dude most people are really clammy dude they're like crab in a fucking barrel and you know and they're also most people are followers you know what i'm saying like yeah there's they're sheep you know what i mean It's unfortunate, but it's a fact, you know. Gotta have them to make the world go around. I'm not hating. I'm just saying it is what it is.

Yeah. I hear you. Someone's got to make the wool. Well, this has been amazing. Thank you so much for talking. And also, you know, love yourself, take care of yourself. And most importantly, throw away that Fifi's hat. Get that fucking out of your head and let's move on, baby.

You know what I'm saying? I want that goddamn hat. We're going to get it. I'm going to find that shit. I'm going to look for it. I'm going to find it. All right, buddy. It's all good.

All right. Well, yeah. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate you guys. Lair, buddy. Good luck. Later.