ANMA - 25 Years of Knowing

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

Good morning, Gus! After our trip to Talisman and finding out its a BBQ spot too, we go back and try it out. It may not be burgers this week but Gus & Geoff do mental backflips to make it work. Either way, listen to these guys talk about Restaurant pickles, Fugazi, Satanic panic, Webrings, Penny Arcade, March of technology, the 25 year timeline, and Stinkuary. Check out our shirts over at store.roosterteeth.com We like em. Sponsored by Shady Rays http://shadyrays.com and use code ANMA Fum tryfum.com/ANMA and Magic Spoon http://magicspoon.com/ANMA and use code ANMA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Shop Peloton's New Year offers at onepeloton.ca slash deals. All access membership separate terms apply. Okay, I fixed it so that way. It's a valid card now. There's episode 70. Nice. The last. Nope.

Okay. The last episode. That's why I'm going to do that. Fucking sucks. Last episode was Tallaswing Coffee. We talked about gentrification. We talked about shithead donuts. Talked about passive aggressive communication,

which was the thumbs up thing. Yeah. We talked about it in general. We talked about AP style guide and nostalgia for personality. I wanna apologize. Apparently I have to. What did I say, the MLS style guide? You weren't using the AP style guide.

Yeah, I went and I found a photo of it. You fool. It was the MLS. It's okay. There are many style guides. There's a different time back then. APC. Yeah, I went and I found a photo of it. You fool. It was the MLS. It's okay. There are many style guys. There's a different time back then. Different times. Yeah, but this is up to 70.

So this is different from the last time. Man, I can't believe we just did Tell Usman last episode. Yeah, and guess what? We went back. We went back, baby. Speaking of, good morning, Gus. Hey, isn't morning? Yeah, it is still.

Come on, it is. It's not work, right? Right? Isn't it? It is still. Of course. Somewhere, right? Yeah, we went back there. We will talk about that at length later, I guess. We got a little bit of a barbecue. Check out the BBQ side. It's called Mum Foods Smokehouse and Delicatesc. Which is, you know, it's a bit of a left turn for us.

We are a coffee and occasionally burger podcast. So we're branching out into new territory. What if you think about it's a bit of a left turn for us. We are a coffee and occasionally burger podcast, so we're branching out into new territory. What, if you think about it a little bit. Burger is a sandwich, and I had a barbecue sandwich. As did I. So by the transit of property, it's still okay. And a burger is beef, and I had a beef brisket sandwich. I had beef sandwich.

I don't think we have to do the transit of property for our own podcast. There was a mustard on there too. Yeah. Yeah. I had onions on mine, which is also and pickles, which are popular. Uh huh.

For each of your balls on your forehead. Jeff had all my pickles, so he had a very pickled sandwich. I had to end up having to take a few off. I like pickles, but that was a lot of pickles. That was a lot. Those were, and those look like fresh aspirin. Yeah, it's those are restaurant pickles. Yeah, like you could put 50

volassic dill chips from my fridge on to be fine, but restaurant pickles are a whole different way. It's intense. Yeah, they're a little more intense. So here we are, 2024, January. Is it your first recording of 2024? Is this my first? Yes, it is.

I'm doing another one right after this in the same room. But that's important. I wanna set the date because this is like, kind of an, we're approaching an anniversary milestone. It was January 1999 that you and I met for the first time. So we're approaching 25 years of having known each other like next week or the week after. Why do you say it like that?

What do you mean? I'm just trying to. I would have said, we're approaching 25 years of being friends. Yeah, listen, I don't wonder for friends. I don't know anybody that's not my friend. Huh? You heard me. I don't believe that.

We're approaching 25. Wait, but we were, I know tons of people, I know you don't like. We weren't friends immediately when we met. Pretty close. Pretty close we met. Pretty close. Pretty close, but. It was like a day or two. It was a couple of days.

Within a, we were friends. All right, let's retake it. All right. So this is January, and I didn't bring that up. No, God, there's 25 years of friendship. You guys were saying you couldn't pick, like we were talking about at the restaurant, it was trying to find the exact day that had happened,

and you were saying it was like the third week of January? The third week of January. Yeah. I want to say it was like the 20th or the 19th. That's my, that's my 25 years due to the fuck knows. And I didn't, we didn't, I don't think we spoke other than saying like hello or like he helped me with a problem because it was a, you know, senior level technician. I think the first time we spoke was actually at a party that one of the girls or two of the girls that lived together through. And I remember when you walked in,

and I went to this party, I think we talked about this. I think we just got there like an hour early, and it was awkward. And so I saw Gus, and he was like, anybody else to talk to. And I thought he was that tall, stony, someone dude. Get in to a party an hour early and like helping to set up is that.

When you don't know the people. Yeah, that has to be a fucking day. When I had worked with them for two weeks, I just got it wrong in my head. Like they said show up at eight, and I showed up at eight, but it was really not, I don't know, I don't know, remember how I fucked it up. Someone got it wrong at your wedding too.

Somebody got it. You know which, I don't know if you know that. No. Someone had, someone showed up an hour late. Really? And then yeah, like, can I say it? I say it? It was like the ceremony had finished and everyone was kind of mingling around. There's like the area over there where the ceremony was, and it was over on the side by the dance floor. So it was crowded over by the ceremony was. So

Esther and I kind of moved out to by the dance floor and we saw Michael and Lindsay walking up. and he walking up. And Michael, like very sheepishly, he's like, I got the time wrong. Every time you were waiting, actually, I thought it was seven, but it was actually six. Because I would just realize it on the car on the way here. I had no idea.

That's fucking awesome. They both seemed really sheepish. They were trying to sneak in, and I just happen to be standing right there as they walk in the entrance. So fucking Michael and Lindsay too. That's fucking hilarious. That's perfect.

That's awesome. That's great. So yeah, it's not an uncommon thing to get times rock. You're off to hook on that. So 25 years. 25 years. We've been friends.

What is that? Is that our silver anniversary? What is 25 years? Can you look that up here? Yeah, absolutely. It is, you howl to you. 45. I'm 48. So we've known each other for,

we've been friends for more than half of our lives. You did the exact same thing, but I'm not giving you a shot. We've been friends. We've been friends for more than half of our lives. Yeah. That's wild. It's, yeah, it's really crazy.

It's crazy to think that when we made our first website together, which would have been ugly internet, when I was 23 and you were 21. Just probably, my birthday February, so I probably just was 21, but. Just turn 21. Sterling silver. Sterling, all right.

That's both for additional and modern. I'll have to get you something special. All right, well, I hope I find something. I'll get a serving platter. Sterling sort of serving's both traditional and modern. I'll have to get you something special. All right, well, I hope I find something. I'm going to get a serving platter. Sterling sort of serving platter or something. It's just crazy to think that with that moment, when we're plotting out ugly internet, that more than half of our lives later,

we're still going to be doing shit together. Yeah, it's been going on for a long ass time. It's crazy how much I think about a lot, and I think I talked about a lot in a few different podcasts, was like how much the world has changed. I talked about the other couple of weeks ago about how the amazing races changed so much. Like when that episode came out,

they went to pay phones, and that episode came out after you and I knew each other. Yes. Good I knew each other for a few years before we were living together at that point. Right, so it's just crazy how much the world has changed and how much we have to continually try to adapt to it. But yeah, so we, that ugly internet, I'm trying to think what spawned that initial idea.

And we know we wanted to make something. I don't know why that's the idea we settled on. Do you remember why? So it's interesting that you ask, I don't know the answer, but I actually was just kind of going through this today because I just edited an episode of my solo podcast that is so alright, which is I was trying to answer, everybody asks us the questions of how you got started to reach T,

how did you find your footing, how did you find success, and I feel like we've answered those questions like one million times, in one million different ways in a million different places. And so instead, and I've been getting that question a lot in email to talk about, so instead I decided to talk about like my life up and two,

the day I started Rooster Teeth. And the only plan was to just kind of follow the creative path in a way that I've never really sat down and looked at how, how my life unfolded, you know, in that way. And so I was kind of figuring it out as I went and just telling stories and like realizing opportunities that I had that I seized. Like I, and it hasn't crossed my mind until last week when I recorded this episode, that when

I was 19 years old, I was starting Zines. Like, I started on a 17-18, I started doing Zines, punk Zines. The first band I ever interviewed when I was 19 years old was Fugazi. Okay. I interviewed Ian McKay at 19 years old, the very first professional non-army interview I'd ever given. And I was thinking to myself, I'm 48 years old now.

Can I say real quick, clarifying my question? So you talked about starting these publications, doing these interviews, was this like internet based or was this like paper based stuff? That was paper based. Okay, yeah. I'm getting to us. I'm getting to us so I don't know just so like to get people to protect

I was paper based. This was that this was that long ago. These are these are print scenes and That got me thinking At 48 years old if you asked me to interview Ian McKay, I wouldn't do it. I'd be too scared Interesting. I'd be too scared to talk to somebody that I have that much respect for who has made such a mark in a world that is important to me. I would be so scared at 48, but at 19, I just didn't care. I was fearless.

Yeah, I have no perspective. You have no perspective, right? And I was just kind of following those moments through my life up until I just wanted to stop, basically at the day I started Rocharteeeth or we started Rocharteeeth. And I kind of skipped ugly internet and I ended up stopping at the day I met you because that was the, I realized that was the moment my life changed. And I'm not trying to blow smoke up your ass or be overly nice to you. I'm just being like as pragmatic

and as honest as I can be. But when I look back at my career, the most important moment in my creative journey was becoming your friend because it was the first time in my life I found a creative partner. Well, I think it's helpful to have another voice to bounce ideas off of and to collaborate on things with. And just to find somebody else who's passionate, it's such a heavy thing to handle alone, you know? It's such an overwhelming amount of work to try to cut your path in a creative way, especially when there aren't a lot of examples to follow in the paths we were following. We were blazing, I guess, honestly. And so looking back on it, now at 48, almost 50,

having perspective, I realize just how important you have been to my life, personally, because we're very good friends. We've known each other for forever. Long time. You mean so much to me on that level. But I don't know that I'd be anywhere close to where I am in my career, if you and I hadn't made

our first website together. It's totally a two way street, right? Like, I mean, it's my turn to blow smoke up your ass. I think, you know, when I was younger, I definitely had a lot more, you're gonna be shocked by this. A lot more of a, like, a rigid, very mathematical approach, right? Oh, no.

And you. Oh, so, I'm talking about the thing that interested me at the time, leading up to then was, you know, probably around the same time you were interviewing Fugazi and talking to them, like that's when I was cutting my teeth learning web stuff, right? Like 1994, I was like 16, you know, well, we always talk about it and we always make fun of me, deservedly so.

Because going to math camp, right? Yeah. Because that's where, like the math was fine. That was whatever. But the valuable thing I took away from that camp and I went there three years was, like all the computer systems were all like unix-based. And I learned about accessing websites. I learned how to make websites.

I learned like how to do everything from a command prompt. I was like, oh, this is really interesting and I would help everyone make websites. So it wasn't necessarily that I was good at generating the content. I was good at generating the content. I was good at figuring out how to deliver the content. You aren't giving yourself credit. You wanted to, we didn't know what we were doing at the time

and you were definitely a techie guy. And I was a design guy and there was a good marriage of skills at the time. Cause I had in tandem to you learning how to make websites, and this is something I talked about in the episode of SoulRite. I, a formative moment for me, was in 1996 when I was the one man press shop at the United States Military Academy

Preparatory School in New Jersey. They came to me, my boss came to me and said, hey, I West Point just launched a website. I don't know what that is, but I'm told we need to have one. I need you to do it. And I was like, I don't think that's my job. And he's like, it is, it is as of today.

And so I had to call up the webmaster at West Point and say, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I need help. And he was like, figure it out. I'm not helping you. It was a root dish. It's not my job. And so I started, I was gonna say Google and but I did.

And I started probably like Magellan or Web Crawloring. And I taught myself how to make websites so that I could, I had to, I had to make the first use maps website and that's that was the moment where I learned oh there's so much possibility here these print Zines are fucking stupid I need to port this to the internet and I think that's why I had a lot of success early on with record labels giving me so I was getting free I was getting 20 to 30 free albums a month and I had stringers who were doing reviews for me.

I had a little empire going on. That's impressive. On my web scene, because I think I was one of the first ever in the punk world to do it, at least that I was aware of. So I was also like, I was coming to you,

really energized and really excited about the internet and the possibility of making content online. For the first couple of years, we were friends, even probably into Red versus Blue a little bit, I was still running my zines, and I was still going to Emos and interviewing bands, and that whole thing. I started to wean off of that when we started to spin up

ugly internet and drunk gamers. It was a different outlet for all that. It was a different outlet. Yeah, but don't sell yourself short because you had ideas, you and I had so many ideas and you were such an ideas guy and we, I couldn't have done any of it without you and I don't think you could have done it without me.

No, absolutely not. And if I can give some crossover promotion here in a weird roundabout way, so I'd always, you know, growing up, I'd always considered myself, I tried to be a funny person. Maybe I wasn't, it didn't always succeed. I tried.

And I think a lot of that stemmed from, or a lot of like the trying to come up with jokes and trying to come up with things off the cuff, stemmed from playing a lot of judges and dragons when I was like in middle school and high school and trying to, you know, roll with the punches and trying to be on top of things, which is why, you know, one of the other projects I do

is like Tales from the Stinky Dragon here at Ristratheath. And I think that, you know, having that long pedigree that really helps you train with improv and, you know, trying to make a joke out of whatever the situation may be in front of you. And I think that that really, that really helped. You know, that's a really interesting connection you just made that I've never arrived at on my own, but makes total sense. Because you're right, role-playing games, D&D,

whatever it is, Warhammer. It's pure yes and. It's like the essence of yes and. And I never made that connection until you, well, you just made the connection, honestly. I'm sure, you know, we're relatively safe. I'm sure you remember like the Satanic panic back in the like 80s and 90s.

Oh, hell yeah. Everyone was like, Dungeon Dragons is worshipping the devil. And I say it, you know, we're relatively the same age. I'm sure you remember like the satanic panic back in the like 80s and 90s. And everyone was like, Dungeon Dragons is worshiping the devil. And I say it all the time, does your dragons just math and improv? You know, that's all that it is. It's like, it's so nerdy. If like, if back then, a parents just understood, it's like, it's dudes, it's following rules

and arguing about who's following rules better than the other dudes. And then adding two numbers quickly together in your head. That's all it fucking is. And I think it's a great vehicle for training your mind to do that kind of stuff. And D&D's obviously grown a huge amount since then. It's a huge, D&D podcast alone or a huge thing on the internet. So I'm happy to see it gaining such wide acceptance.

Because when I was young and we were playing, you know, second edition. Yeah, we started with first actually, but like we would lose players. Like we had to play in secret and then if someone's parents found out, like, oh, they don't come anymore. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, no, that was the thing. I dealt with that similarly. And not in the sense that my mom particularly gave a shit, but other kids' parents did. Yeah, my parents. And care. Like they cared, but they thought it was okay. I had a friend who was our DM,

and when his parents found out about it, he wasn't allowed to play anymore, and then it died for me, because he was the one who had all the stuff, and then that they threw it away or whatever, and that was it, that was the end of D&D for me. Probably in sixth grade. Dude, that's crazy.

Yeah, and then I had a friend in high school who got me into it as well, but yeah, it was like, the height, the 80s was the height of satanic panic. I remember hearing about satan, I was too young and everything, but like hearing about it and everything, but I never considered like,

I don't know, it just seemed like one of those things that like this was on the news, but I never considered parents actually seeing it and going like, not you. Yeah, right. One time when I was in the seventh grade, I came downstairs, lived in a town home in Louisiana, and I came downstairs, and my mom and my dad

had my motley crew shout out the devil album, and they said, I just watched a news report. This is Satanic. It's got secret messages in it, and they broke it, and they threw it away in front of me. That's the only time they ever did anything like that And I lost my shout at the devil um, which was I wasn't a huge Motley crew fan So I wasn't the end of the world for me at that point. It wasn't prey to the devil. Yeah, but it was like I'm

But I'm like, I can't Fuck you devil see got a spin it. But yeah, even so even my mom who was very progressive and very cool when I was going up Was subject to it a little bit I think all parents were when I was a kid they would have smurf burnings at churches. Oh, yeah, that was a huge thing Yes, smurfs were the biggest fucking thing when I was a kid. I never heard this I They collected I collected smurfs But smurfs didn't wear like shirts and they were they they they were like Christian fundamentalist.

They decided there were some weird sexual undertones and then there was a wizard. Gargamel was a wizard and it was satanic. And so they would, they would have in my community, they would have people come and bring all their smurf action figures and paraphernalia and they would make a big bonfire and then throw it all on the fucking bonfire and then just melt plastic and just breathe those feelings. And that shit come up with new ideas. Dude, that shit happened all the time in the 1980s, all the time. I heard about that, like the Smurf stuff for whatever, but like, aren't they against the

wizard? Like the wizard's evil. Shout out to the devil, Eric. Are you trying to breathe some common sense into a bunch of religious violence? It's not talking to cartoon. It's a cartoon with little blue creatures that try to help each other. They live in mushrooms.

One of them is a girl and where's the dress? The biggest problem they have in the world is a mean cat. And all they're trying to do is bring peace and unity to each other. Why the fuck wouldn't that be a message you would every parent would want their cat? Yeah, but when I'm burning the plastic and huffing the fuse, I'm starting to, I'm starting to like really see the light. Everyone's looking a little blue. So, I'm starting to stare down.

So fucking stupid. That's crazy. Yeah. Wow. But we, I'm like, like looking at us. And like, we're recording Anima. She can't hear us. There's a, so we, so know, we, so going back on track

a little bit, so, you know, we, we had all these things, or we, we had all this ideas and things that we wanted to do on the internet. I think actually our first thing that we did was we, so when we worked at the call center, which we talked about many times, we had free access to like, Unix servers that were connected to the internet with high speed.

And that's where we hosted Red versus. Blue at first, you know. Not for long. Not for very long. But it's where we would host all of our websites because it's like, oh, the servers are in the vault. Like, when you feed that way, you know, we can connect to them and do everything we need to do and all of our stuff right here for free because we were just employees. They didn't charge us for access, which is crazy. Anyway, we started making websites that way. The first thing we did was we put that flash

animation up, the Show Me the Monkey. Yeah, that you had made. Or bleep the name. Okay, we put up the Show Me the Monkey with the flash animation of the the Monkey eating a banana. And then just like, I guess that was kind of like a dry run practice. And then you know, from there, like, well, let's start actually making content. And then I remember Bernie would go in and edit it and fuck with it. You put like a pirate hat on the monkey and like an eye patch. That's cute. Yeah. But I think that was like kind of training wheels for figuring out how to make stuff and how to put stuff online. And then I don't know how we decided our first website

was gonna be making fun of other people's websites. We were in our early 20s and obnoxious and we thought we were funnier than we were and more clever than we were and that we knew more than we did. And to be fair to us, this was before the wild, wild west of the internet.

This is when it was, it was like, this was a couple of steps before that. And everybody was rushing to the internet to make their own ugly, disgusting, terrible version of a website. And then there were all these companies that would pop up, that would give awards for good website design.

And that's what pissed us off, is these ugly fucking vlogs would have, or e-n sites would have like four awards at the bottom that looked like somebody made up in about five minutes. And it was clear that they had given themselves the award. For, you know, people might not remember, or might not have been there for this time, this time period in the internet,

but it was like the time of web rings the time Yeah, what was the last time I thought about a web ring? I thought about web rings since they were web rings the time of visible counters on websites Mm-hmm and the time of those little under construction animated gif Yeah, bit maps remember like doing like a giant image and like where you like depending on where your mouse was on the image You would be like different links It was just an awful the the blink tag was still would still work in web browser I mean it was just a fucking nightmare, but I will say I think maybe it's because it was my idea

But my favorite part of all of that was, we would, you know, tell, we would write how bad these websites were, then we would email the review to the webmaster that people who made it, but then I would, I would contact the American Registry of Internet Numbers and ask for their IP address to be revoked because they were wasting space on the internet

and we were running out of IP addresses. This is fucking great. And so we did that for over a year, every day. Pretty much. I mean, it was our, we would get off work. It was much like our red versus blue. We'd get off work and then we'd go home and work on ugly internet. We'd get off work and just hammer Wednesday.

Yeah. No, we didn't. No, they fucking I don't say this as someone who's proud of it now Looking back on it like Oh is the worst But it was it was a learning experience it was a learning experience. It was a learning experience. People have to learn. You have to learn not to be a shithead sometimes.

Yes, yes, yes. And I think that what I do, my dog right now is biting my socks, my shoes, every fucking chance he gets. You have to learn not to bite shoes. We had, guess I had to learn not to bite shoes. But it was like, that was kind of our first experience

with like engaging or cultivating a community. I remember we had like some like a shirt that we would sell. And I remember there was like a dude in Oklahoma, I want to say it was who like took our shirt and ran it up a flagpole and then sent us a picture of it. You remember that? Yeah. And I was like, oh, that's fucking cool.

You can't happen to have that dude. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I remember the geezer. And it was like, this, that's fucking cool. He can't happen to have that, dude. No, no, no, no, no. I remember the Jesus. And it was like, it probably wasn't even a digital camera. He probably took a picture, like a photo, developed it, then scanned it, and sent it to us. But then we ended up shuttering Ugly Internet. One, it was kind of a one-note wonder.

It was mean-spirited, disguised as comedy. Although I guess it, when we were trying to be funny, but we were just, I don't think he understood the line necessarily. We were still trying to find it. But also the internet was rapidly changing and websites were not as ugly the year after we started as they were when they started. And then we had the death threat, right? And then that ended the website for us. We pretty much ended the ugly internet right that moment. So one thing that I feel like we often forget to mention, we'll talk about the ugly internet, is that it was never wildly popular.

If I'm remembering right off the top of my head, I always say, we had like 3,000 visitors a day, which is at our good amount. We had 3,000 visitors a day, which back in 1999 was pretty cool. That's most of the people on the internet. Yeah, but one time we were actually linked to in a post on Penny Arcade. Yes. Like, you know, they would make their blog posts when they would put comics up.

And Tyco mentioned our website at one point. Do you know why he did that? Do you remember why he did that? Because I emailed, I had a list of websites. This is why I took this to my punk world when I would email record labels or send actual physical, understrike labels. I had a list of about 40 websites, video game websites, internet culture websites,

and anytime ugly internet would put anything up, I would email them and go like, hey, just wanna let you guys know? The new, the article just came out of ugly internet, think you'd like it. And he must have, I don't remember specifically now, but he must have, because I remember he called us Rath on tap, which I thought was cool.

Then we put it on a shirt, and we sent him, we sent him to him, yeah. That's kind of how we became friends with the pinion K guys. And then they linked us again when Drone Cameras came out, which wasn't too much later. I think we spun Mly and In a Down, because we weren't having fun with it at the end of the war either.

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much easier. And I feel like that really, when you did the drunk gamers launch, that really was, you know, we talked about this earlier, like the overlap of our two skill sets. So I think you made a phenomenal design for the drunk gamers website. Like I thought it looked really good at the time and I was like so impressed with it.

And then... Bernie used to share all of it. No, I was great. I loved it. It looked like all the Docky Kong stuff for all the way up. I love the Docky Kong stuff. It was such a great idea. Yeah.

Anyway, so then you made this beautiful website. So then I had to figure out how to make it into like a content management system. Yeah, yeah. Where I was like, okay, we've got this beautiful design. How do we actually post it? I don't really automate it. And automate it so that it's not,

we don't have to rewrite the fucking entire website every time we do it. And we use, you know, I've mentioned it before, we use movable type for that to kind of like automate everything and categorize everything. And it's wild to me that, you know, these things were such a struggle back then. And I probably said this last time, you know, whenever we talk about it, but it's like, now there's services that you can just pay and it's not all drag and drop. And it's all so much easier when it was such a fucking hassle back.

Dude, no kidding. You know what the easiest thing in the world to do is in 2024, sell a T-shirt on the internet. You know what the hardest thing in the world to do was in 2000, sell a fucking T-shirt on the internet. Do you remember that? God damn, it was, all the tools that exist today were theories in 1999 and 2000.

And we had to wait for the technology to catch up theories in 1999 and 2000. And we had to wait for the technology to catch up to our dreams and desires. So one of the things we always talk about is the march of technology and how things have changed over our life. And specifically, we tend to focus on the internet. And the 25 years we've known each other.

But in the course of my life, I've watched credit card transactions move from the chunk, junk machine where you would like make an emboss of the card to now, you know, virtualized token credit cards on your phone or Apple, like Apple Pay and all of that. Yeah, I still remember when fast food restaurants started taking credit cards. I was an adult. I was 20 years old when I used a credit card to buy Burger King in San Antonio and I thought it was the I was like where the I'm in the fucking future. I saw a

fucking future. I saw a video about that. Somebody had found a news report from when Burger King started taking credit cards. Yeah. And interviewing people at Burger King and it's a lot of people going, I just think you must be in a really sad state if you got a bite. We were on a credit card. I was, I was in the army. That's right. But that's crazy. They didn't take cards. Yeah, technology like that, especially with money stuff is so recent,

not even in terms of our lifetime, but in terms of money. Like we moved away from hard currency to this other thing in the last 30 years. That's insane. That's nuts. And it's, it's everywhere you look, right? We're talking about this earlier, because I just did another solo ride on that, but on this, but I was looking at the history of VHS. VHS launched in 1976 and it died in 2006. I had it in my head that VHS would always exist because it existed since I was born.

And then you watch a technology peak and then die in your lifetime and then be replaced by another technology that then is replaced by yet another technology. Even quicker. Even much quicker. It's crazy how much things have changed. Just insane how quickly things have changed.

I don't know if you remember with those initial credit card terminals, you had to run like a phone line to each of them. And like you would swipe your card and the fucking terminal would make a phone call to authorize your card and it took fucking forever. Anyway. It took fucking forever.

And yeah, now it's just so fast, like you've got the internet in your pocket at all times. I can, I don't even need to pull my credit card I can buy shit if I can't tap my wallet on a on a what do you call it? Like a terminal terminal. Yeah, if I can't tap my wall on a terminal and pay I get huffy. I get like a I'm a pissy little bitch I'm like, I'm sticking in now. What is my ears this? You know what's the worst I fucking hate the HB terminals, because you can't tap. I can't tap an HB.

They're so, I don't know what the problem is. Anytime I do try to do a chip with my, to pay an HB, it doesn't work. It's like, bad chip read, bad chip read, bad chip read, swipe, like, fuck, just fucking get the tap. And those terminals are all pretty new. They replaced them last year. They chose, we're not getting rid of those terminals. Yeah, post-tumels. We're not getting rid of those terminals.

Yeah, those are post-cover terminals. We're not getting rid of those for a while. HEB is gonna fuck us on the tap for at least another two years. And I'm the insert and the chip. It doesn't work. It's so funny, that's maybe my only complaint about HEB. Like, as a grocery store, it's great.

I can get all the stuff that I need. I think it's great. I think it's a great grocery store And then I go to pay and every time I leave upset Because I just go it didn't all right hang on hang on fuck all right hang on that being said it really is the best grocery store It is a great grocery store, but man what a negative note and every single trip every trip I agree man But and all right anyway, I don't want to get into the grocery store episode or anything. Were you going somewhere else with technology though?

No, no, no, I'm just talking about how primitive payment acceptance was at the start, like from the chunk, chunk, which most of our listeners might not have even ever seen in their life, to now just, you know, like I said, virtualized credit cards, virtualized numbers and you know, tap payment systems and not having to pull your wallet out at all. I remember some of my early experiences with the internet. Similarly, you know, like I said, I went to a math camp

and you know, we're using these Unix servers and it was amazing to me to always be connected to the internet, right? It wasn't like, I'm going to log on in and it wasn't like AOL, like I'm going to dial up. It's like, this computer is always on the internet. And that was wild to me. It's like, this isn't, you know, a main thing, like, thinking back, like, this isn't a main thing.

This is just an Apple terminal I can sit at. I can sit and, you know, do whatever shit I want. I actually learned how to use Premiere on that computer. And then if I wanted to, I'm on the internet, I can launch NCSA Mosaic and load a website really shitily, shitily. To now, and then going home, not having that, be like, okay, fine, I'm at home, I have to dial up.

Then you connect into this closed ecosystem that isn't really connected to everything. Then you gradually, like the web kind of seeps into everywhere. And now, you know, I carry my phone and my watch. I've got things that are just online all the time. And if I don't have the internet for like five minutes, I'm like, what the fuck do I do? I know.

It's like a common joke on the internet, right? Like, back in the old days, you know, you'd go to the bathroom and, you know, if you're taking a shit, you'd like, read a shampoo bottle or something. Yeah. And now it's like, I'm gonna, I have access to the entire knowledge of human history and the entire knowledge of the world and my fingertips, but I'm gonna watch a cat smell a foot.

I watched a cat eat a history chicken live on TikTok the other day. He just was eating, it was a rotisserie chicken on the ground and it was a live TikTok of a cat eating a whole rotisserie chicken. It was awesome. It was so cap, that in ham enhanced a rave so captivated. But yeah, it's just everything. And we, I think we, we talked about this back in the day, you know, in the drunk gamers days, the ugly internet days trying to draw that line out and figure out like, you know, we, at the time we were working at the call center, it was all dial up tech

support. But, you know, always on, high speed internet we're starting to roll out. Cable modems were like a brand new thing in Austin. At the, I was in the last two years we were there, we started to do support for some cable modems and for the last five years on connections. This is, I wanna say, well in Austin cable modems, I think started rolling out like in 99 or 2000.

Like it was in test markets, I think I mentioned this before, you had to go to a class before they would give you the cable modem. So We started a rich teeth in 2003. Yeah, so I would have I probably quit Telling out work in 2004. Okay. I think I worked there from 98 to 2000 Okay, I left in 2000 to go work at the other corporate job. And then you came back. And then I came back, oh, two, end of oh two for a bit. But yeah, I remember you and I would sit there and draw things out because I say,

you can come in. You can come in, no, you're just staring at me creepily. We tried to draw the line out to see, imagine what the world would be like and what the internet would be like. Cause I remember, we would talk about cell phones, cause what the world would be like and what the internet would be like. I remember, we would talk about cell phones, because even cell phones were relatively brand new.

I think I got my first cell phone in 98 or 99, and that's when they really started becoming affordable and accessible to anyone. I had a really low paying tech support job, and I could afford a cell phone finally at that point. Trying to think about what always on connectivity was, I remember we would always read about like, coming future 3G technologies that they were testing in Japan. It was gonna be so fast,

you always be connected to the internet. And now it's funny to look at, be like, man, 3G, that's so fucking old. I would be miserable if I had a 3G connection on my phone right now. Do you remember, you're pretty into anime back in the day, so I would watch it with you. There was one of the shows that you got

that you were into that grabbed me that I really liked as well was Lane, the serial experience. Serial experiments, Lane. Yeah, serial experiments. Serial experience. Experiments. God damn it, serial experiments, Lane.

I had it backwards. And it was like near future. Yeah. Very near future, like 10 years in the future, but they had these thing called navies that were iPhones. And Gus and I would just watch her play with her navie and be like, can you fucking imagine a world where we could play video games and take calls

and do all this other shit just from our phone in our pocket and then it was 10 years later. Yeah, then it's like, oh, it exists now. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah. This is definitely the old man Yilsa technology episode of the podcast. I don't know, Yilsa, I think it's really appreciating like, again,

the, it's the march of technology. Do you remember when we would do conventions and you're talking about like 3G technology and everything and you would be inside the convention center and your reception would be so fucking bad that you'd have to go on like the edge. Yeah, you're all the three G on your phone. Do you? Yeah. I just remember like Rocco teaching me like, oh, you have to go on like the edge. You'd have to disable 3G on your phone. Yeah, do. Like, I just remember like Rocco teaching me like, oh, you have to go and like disable this thing because everyone's on that.

And if you're not on like the 3G band, you'll be able to get reception. And it's like, that's insane. Or you could pay $1,200 for a fucking ethernet drop to the crazy. Yeah, the worst about that stuff was always, well, at that time was always sending you a Comic Con because people would pay for that drop

and then they would set up a Wi-Fi access point. And there were so many people with so many different Wi-Fies that nobody's Wi-Fi worked. It was like everybody's signals overlap with each other, everyone's on the same channel, be like, fuck, I am standing right next to my Wi-Fi base station and I can't get anything to work. What a pain in the ass.

Ridiculous. Anyway, now we're in the future, ThetaPro. And now we're in the future, this is not a problem. We are getting low on time, not just on the episode, but Gus has better things to do. Like stinky drag and just stinky stinky wearer or something. Yeah, let me stick you there. I'm gonna be sticking with it.

Yeah, we're doing a, like a, a drive for first memberships for Tells from the Stinky Dragon. You can get more information at StinkyDragonPod.com. Biggest way of a bunch of goals. I think that Tells from the Stinky Dragon is very quietly one of the biggest shows we've ever seen has ever made. Easily. And we don't trumpet it enough. And you know, we're really trying to focus that and talk about it a lot this January, which we've dubbed Stinky Wary. And you know, we're really trying to focus that and talk about it a lot this January, which we've dubbed Stinkuary. If you've never listened to it, you should give it a try. All eight, we, you know, we do the D&D podcast. You don't need to know anything about Dungeon and Dragon's Listeners. It's really just, like I said, it's an improv podcast. It's really a lot

of fun. It's family friendly. And we have all eight puppet videos for Stink Dragon Adventures are out now available for free on Rousticeth.com. Just go give it a pat you can go watch it. Anyway, we're doing like a big drive for first memberships this month and we're giving away. We're not giving away. We're selling autographed posters, special merch, video audio messages from characters and from the crew. It's really important to us to help support this show, which is so big. It's such a pillar for us. And we just, we wanted to reach more people, we wanted to reach as many people as possible. I want it to be hands down, the biggest thing

we've ever made, and that everyone thinks of immediately when they think of us. Can I say two things about that? Yeah. One, I think I've probably intimated this to you in the past, but again, Kudos for cracking the code on the D&D format because we have tried multiple times. We've, I personally have run three different D&D shows,

I think, through my time in Rooster Teeth. And each one is iteratively better than the last and we got closer and closer, but you guys finally figured it out and made what I think is the perfect D&D podcast. You just, you figured out the tone, you figured out the voice, you figured out the length, you figured out like the right amount of silly

versus serious and paying attention, which is something I could never do. And it's just a testament to all of your hard work, how great it is, but I told Barbara the other day, I guess a couple months ago, but when they were filming Stinky Puppets, I walked into the room, because she wanted to show,

she was proud of it and she wanted to show it to me. And I watched them film for like 10 minutes, and I told her, I don't wanna leave the room. And I meant it, and I told her in that moment, and I still think this stands true. I felt something in that room when that show was being made that I have only felt three times in Rooster Teeth and that is making Red versus Blue what I didn't have anything to do with Ruby, but watching Ruby be made and making a

chief of hunter. I think that you guys have captured whatever that thing is that made those show special, that heart or that, just that, that right tone, whatever the secret sauce is, that's so fucking hard to repeat, you know, we've been lucky that we've been able to repeat it a few times in our history. But I really do think that when you, as long as things continue the way they, they should and you guys keep killing it with it, I really do think that when you look back 10 or 20 years from now and you look at Roostereteeth, you're going to think of Red versus Blue, you're going to think of Ruby,

and you're going to think of Stinky Dragon up there with those two. I hope so. And I hope so. I think it deserves to be up there. I think it's that good. And I hope the audience continues to support it, and it finds the audience it deserves to find,

because it is one of the best things we've ever made. And it's the best version of that thing in the world. There's a lot of passion that goes into it, right? Like everyone involved, like I think, you know, obviously, if you listen to the podcast and you watch the videos, you know, you see the on-camera people, but the behind-camera people are also super passionate about it. And I try to make sure that, you know, we include them in the

credit as well, because we couldn't make it without any of them. But everyone's really passionate about it, right? And everyone has idea and vision of what it should be. And everyone's mostly unified, right? But every now and then you get like these differing opinions. So I think it's a matter of, you need that friction. Right, recognizing, hey, maybe that other way isn't a better way, you know, not being so set

that you're resisting those things, but being flexible and really giving everyone a voice. And hopefully everyone elevates everyone else and builds on top of it. That's why Chris is there. Anyway, go to stinkydragonpod.com. Please, we're making a real concerted effort to support the show and grow it this month. Can I just say also as an aside, I don't have anything to do with that show. This isn't me shilling for it.

I play like a, I think I play a centauraur the type of two lines in the entirety of the show. I really, I couldn't have less to do with it. I'm just watching it as a fan from afar, like everybody else. And I really do, I really do think it's special and I really do believe in it. And I only say that about stuff that I believe in. Like there are a lot of productions in the company who've not heard me talk about, you know?

I've never heard of this. I've never heard of talk about Face Jam. Oh, yeah, we're also doing Face Jam, you're worried, but that's just us putting out a free video every Friday. Is that this month or is that February? See, that's the problem we have with Seeker, you're worried, it's like it could be January or February. Now we're having a fuck face, we're having fuck you,

it's January. We, before we get into stinky dragon stuff that you have coming up, we gotta talk about Mums, barbecue and delicacy. We're behind schedule. We're recording something else in this room. And I gotta get home to that dog. I know, right?

What did you guys think of Mums? We went to Talisman, the coffee that was in there. And then we saw, yes. And then we saw, oh, they have a deli in barbecue thing. So we gotta come back. So we, after the break, we're here. We did it. I got Thursday afternoon action.

A combo. It was a half sandwich and lots of ball soup. And you can pick from a few different sandwiches. I picked the OG pastrami. Yeah. And they brought it out on a tray. And my first thought was, oh, that's a cute little sandwich. I'm going to be starving after this.

Yeah. No, I'm totally full. I'm super full. I was like, I, that's a cute little sandwich. I'm gonna be starving after this. No, I'm totally full. I'm super full. I was like, I ate that sandwich and had that soup. I was like, oh, no, that was really full. That was the perfect amount. It's deceptive because I thought the same thing when I got my sandwich, I went,

this is not gonna fill me up and I ate it and I went, I'm comfortable, this feels good. Why did I think I needed more? Yeah, it's just like the greedy little monster inside of me. It's like, oh, oh. I was, of course I had a big red to wash it down. I'm a big pastrami guy.

I was enticed by their pastrami sandwich. Ultimately, I didn't get it because I was gonna have to make too many substitutions. And I'm always wary of that. And I decided to be safe and just go with brisket because they kind of like I go with the same coffee every time. I kind of start all barbecue restaurants

with the same thing. So the pastrami was interesting. And it's like, it wasn't what I typically think of as a deli pastrami. It was almost like a brisket. It was a deli pastrami. Yeah. So like don't really think of thin slice

like it was like a deli me pastrami. This was like thick. Like you took a brisket and made pastrami from it. Which was, it was really good. I was gonna say, what did you guys think of what you had? There's a whole afternoon. I wanna put an asterisk on it. Yeah.

I'm a real stickler about planliness. Right, yes. And I took a picture of the Forks. Oh, we sat down, they brought us our food, we were like, we don't have silverware. It's like, oh, they're over there. I hate when a restaurant puts out that tub with like a cup and a bunch of forks and spoons and

I think they're like they're all filthy. So I like all right, whatever get over it. Gus get over at you big baby Go get the forks. I go pull out three forks one for each of us and they're all filthy like dirty I'm like, okay, let me pull this one should be three bad ones. I pull out another three. These are worse than those three I went through every fork in there and they were all filthy Despite the fact the silver was filthy, I still used it to eat the food because the food was that good. Yeah, yeah. And I don't begrudge them for it.

It was a phenomenal. It was so good. Did you really like it? I really liked it. Wow. What'd you think? I was okay. I thought I had the turkey sandwich. I thought it was just, I thought it was fine. I would put it in the category of better than an iron works or a stub, but not as good as like an, uh,

La Barbecue. Well, where it is in relation to us, I could see myself going there for a bunch. For sure, yeah. And it's, and it's create, like they have unique stuff, right? The Motsuball soup, they have Kostrami. It's not just Texas barbecue. They have some interesting fare for you to sample.

And you could also get a cup of coffee. Yeah, I didn't get a damn good cup of coffee. It wasn't like the best Kostrami sandwich I've had in the world. I mean, if I was giving it like a score one to 10, it's like eight and a half, it was really good. And the Mottosball Soup was really good too. I really like it. That's what I'm on next for the Mottosball Soup.

I really like Turkey from barbecue places. So this was like an easy thing where I would recommend it because it was a good turkey sandwich. I don't love the barbecue sauce. It was very mustard-y. Very mustard-based, which I don't have a problem with, but I wanted something that was more vinaigree to go with the turkey.

So it's fine. I mean, ultimately it was just sort of like, oh, I liked it, I didn't love it. We got Chris and John walking in and we're about to just think you're doing anything right? Because it's the dragon stuff coming up. So yeah, I would say, check it out if you're in the area, which I don't know why you would be in the area.

If you're gentrifying, which, we talked about that last time. They definitely are. Just not on the other side where you looked at the building with broken windows that was falling apart. You just went what is this? It looks good. If you're thinking to go if you're gonna go get barbecue one day and you're like I'll just go to Rudy's. Instead of going to Rudy's just go there. I think that's a great little substitution. Instead of Rudy's go there and try it because you know what? I want to go back for the pastries.

I like it as much as I think. Yeah, I think. Pastrami's a move. We're wrapping up here. We're almost. So, we'll rate it pretty positively for a podcast that doesn't rate barbecue. Yeah, it's not our, it's not our wheelhouse. No, we're not expert experts. No, let's get through some anarchy questions. I just have a couple.

This one's from Angela on Instagram. You can send us questions at Anima podcast on Instagram or on Twitter or you go to our slash Anima podcast, which is a subreddit. We don't run. This is from Angela. Her name is torta on, but I wasn't going to call her that. Stay on whatever. Can you guys open your own coffee shop? Can we? Yeah. I assume we probably could figure it out. You have any interest in doing that? Right. It assume we probably could figure it out. No, no. You have any interest in doing that?

No. Right? It seems like you have to be up to show early. No, you know what would be fun? Well, not fun. You know what I could do? Uh, a trailer, like outside of a corral snake? I just don't, I just...

Like that, like that, just like a little trailer where it's just me. I love that. And it's just me and I was just like, I'm just sitting there. I mean, that's the perfect work environment. Right, it's like I'm reading a book or playing a game and then someone comes up and wants a coffee, I make a coffee, give it to him.

I'm reading a book or playing a game and then make you a cup of coffee is your business. Yeah, that's awesome. I, it's just like a trailer, right? Like it's not like, I think you're not paying for rent for an entire building. You don't need a big staff. It's just me and a coffee machine.

Yeah, but then a little trailer. Don't you think in Austin, Texas, to stand out in 2024, you have to have some sort of a remarkable coffee. I don't care about standing out. Well, I mean, to survive. There's so much competition. No, he just wants to pop a thing in the care egg.

Yeah. I just, I don't have any passion from, I have passion to drink coffee, not to make it. Me too. I just don't feel like I would do coffee. I don't feel like I'd do coffee justice as a business. I give plenty of options, Folgers, Maxwell House, you name it, I've got it all.

Well, I'll tell you where I now, I would go to your coffee shop. I'm gonna fill it to the rim with brim. Oh, yeah. You don't want the afternoon jitters. Is that? Go to store.org.stee.com and grab that shirt. Early is the new late also.

Hey, one more question. This is from Bottlewater1983 on the subreddit that again, we don't run. We're almost done. We're just wrapping up. My wife's family is from Fluegerville in the Round Rock area. Is that considered a part of Austin

if it is what are some food options around there that y'all like? If you ask anyone from Fluegerville around Rock, they live in Austin. You ask anyone in Austin, that's not Austin. 100%. It, it's weird that I felt like when I moved here, it was this clamoring of Fluegerville and Round Rock to be like, we're Austin, we're Austin, yeah, we're Austin. And I feel like in the last year or two, they have been annexing and separating from Austin and going like, and we're our own thing.

Well, I think Round Rock is one of the fastest growing cities in America. It is. I think like number one or two. It's crazy. Really, really weird, because they've Round Rock donuts and the Del Diamond and Calla Hari. If you want the world's largest indoor water.

The world's most tipping swimming pool. Dude, Calla Hari. That Calla Hari plays guy, hit by that tornado a couple months ago. If you want the world's largest indoor water. The world's most tipping swimming pool. It's Kalahari. That Kalahari place guy, I hate by that tornado couple months ago. That is our friend Cole, he used to work here and then moved to Japan. That was all he ever wanted to do. Who was going to call it?

He was going to call it. I've never, that's a very cool thing. That's so fucking disgusting. That's so disgusting. Fluegerville or Round Rock Food recommendations? No. Come on Austin. Yeah, no. No. No. What round rock food recommendations? No. How the fuck am I gonna? Come on Austin.

Yeah, no. No. What he said is 100% right. If you live in Austin, you don't give a fuck about Fluge reveal or round rock. If you live in round rock and Fluge reveal, you live in Austin. What is Chris doing over there?

You got an opinion about Fluge reveal? The meatballs at IKEA. The meatballs at IKEA, that's the most possible answer I could imagine. Chris, everybody. That is in round rock. Ikea, that's the most possible answer I could imagine everybody. But it's in round round. I mean, he nailed the location. My I've driven to IKEA to get those meatballs because my wife wanted them so bad that we just drove there and got them and left. You didn't pick up a mall or a scorch or anything like that. I'm a Billy fan. I'm a Billy

supporter. It's a drive. It's a high to get up there. All right, let's get out of here. All right. Well, thanks for listening at Animal Podcast Twitter and Instagram. You can check us out. R-Slash Animal Podcast.

Subreddit, we do not run. But thank you for listening. I think we have some ideas for some episodes we want to do coming up. And then also, we, I think, are going to do our lawyer draft. Yeah, I need to, actually, I'm been meaning to cut together a promo for that.

Oh, okay. I'm gonna put together a bunch of commercials. Wait until I have, start putting it together, but I'm gonna get a date where we can lock it in and then we're gonna do a stream where we're going to do a lawyer draft. Great, great, great. Have you seen those new billboards from that dude, Dang?

Yeah. Oh, yeah, I got some lawyer updates we can cover next. Oh, this is great. Well, thanks for listening, guys, anything to leave these people with? StingyDragonPod.com. Yeah, call it. I got some layer updates we can cover next. Oh, this is great. Well, thanks for listening, guys, anything to leave these people with. StingyDragonPod.com. Happy StingyWary. Yeah, happy StingyWary.

Happy FaceJMUary. Bye. Peace. Peace.