ANMA - Changes on Cesar Chavez

Episode Date: August 21, 2023

Good morning, Gus. We're at Freewheelin Coffee located in the parking lot of Coral Snake on E. Cesar Chavez today and we're really taking it all in. Gus and Geoff also talk about Waving redux, Juan in a Million, Sim City placement, The churn of a city, Public transit, Austin Pawn shops, and what it's like flying with Gus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I guarantee if you go to the island, he's there right now and he'll drink with you. We talked about bowling, Ali Carpet. We talked about if Austin is a waving kind of town. We talked about bouncing tires, podcast shower thinking, and Mountain Dew. So I saw an interesting comment about waving on the boat. That kind of made me turn around a little bit. And the comment was, the person said that the reason they wave

is to see if the other person wigs back to see if they see each other. Yeah, and see that they're there. That's what I was trying to say. It's like everybody's on the same lane. You want to make sure you all see each other. Gotcha. Yeah, that's a, I was like, okay, yeah, I get that then. You're like, you see me? I see you. Great. All good. And that's like the first thing they tell you when you rent like a jet ski or a boat or whatever, there's there like you. Wave it, be sure. Wave it, wave it. Wave Wave at the other boats, let them know you see them. And they do. The first thing you tell is not how you turn it on.

Uh, I'm sorry, the third thing they tell you. See, that's what I'm talking about. I didn't, but I, see, I'm not, I'm not gonna let it get to me today. I'm, I'm Gus Cruz today. Okay, okay, I'm not in the mood. I'm, I've decided to turn, turn his ability to affect me off, but that's his,

that's his, that's his, what's happening? His little attempt. I feel like he was making another attempt before we started Oh, he was I don't know what it was. I was being crashed about the cable. Oh, that's right the cabling system that we have that is color coded Yeah, yeah, and mine that was very carefully wrapped up that is now a mess just like the one I inherited here We're at Carral Snake one I inherited here. We're at Corral Snake. Why are you keep calling it that? I think it's better than Corral Snake. I think I think Corral Snake is cooler.

So we are thinking of a cowboy snake. Corral Snake. We are at it better at one of those places in Austin that has been a bunch of different things since I've been here. It was El Yone. It was a bar when we first moved here. They still have that sign there. Yeah, they still have've been here. It was El Ion. It was a bar when we first moved here. They still have that sign there. Yeah, they still have the sign here.

Then it got hipstered and it became a place called stay gold for a couple of years, I believe. One of the, whoa. Is that coming through in the, oh yeah it is. So yeah, it's like one of the places that gentrification has fully embraced and like fully enveloped. Like the gentrification line has passed here. They still have the old El Ion sign.

Which is cool. It's cool that they framed it and kept it alive. Yeah, but it's like that's like what every business down here had a sign like that. That's what it was. At some point. And now it's Coral Snake. Now it's Coral Snake. Coral Snake.

It's well painted. I'll say. Like a Coral Snake. It's weird to be sitting right exactly like a Coral Snake. It's weird to be sitting on the patio of a bar 15 hours before it opens. But it was open. The door was open at least.

Yeah, the Frank Sree-Willing Coffee's just like a little trailer. And they have one table that's directly in the sun, but the gate to the seating area for Coral Snake is open. So you just come in here. When it was that gold place before it was Carousel Snake, this is one of the last spots I drank at. Oh really? Yeah, I had moved, I had moved,

I kind of moved away from E6 because I'd got a little too much and it moved over here, there's a place here and there was a place called Drinks, kind of Catechorner that I would go to sometimes and it was a lot more low profile. A lot easier to get drunk in the dark. But, you know, and then I stopped doing that. Eric's taking a photo.

We are in Cesar Chavez and East Austin. Yeah, we're right by, well, really close to one and a million, which you and I were having a very, I didn't realize we had such diverging opinions about that place. I think it's incredibly mediocre. It's fine, it's not like, I would never go out of my way to go there.

I wouldn't either, but you were like, spoke like a disdain in your tone talking about that. Yeah, I just don't like the reverence people hold for it. I don't like that there's a line out the door every morning to go there to get mediocre because it's big. It's big.

We got a big talk. We got a big burrito. It's big, big, big guy. The Don Juan, which is like the breakfast taco. It's like supposedly one taco, but they give you a bunch of tortillas because you can make like five out of it. It's big, they got the Don Juan, which is like the breakfast taco. It's like supposedly one taco, but they give you a bunch of tortillas because you can make like five out of it. It's so fucking huge.

But it's like, that's, I mean, I feel like if for nothing else, you should like that place just because it's still holding on here in this place, where at Leon is gone and the gentrification line has moved past here and, you know, they're still doing their thing. That place is largely unchanged

in the last 25 years on the end of the show. For sure. And there are a lot of places like that that I just have never liked that. I didn't like it back then, so I don't like it now. There's places around here like that that I still support Cisco's on E6.

I love Cisco. They're still around? I thought. Didn't they have an ownership change or am I thinking to the other place that was right by there? You might be thinking to the other place. Yeah, that was just something like so.

Okay. I'm still down. I just, one of the million never did I've done a few things with somebody. Okay. I'm still down. I just, I just, one of the million never did it for me. I don't know. All right, fair enough. It was one of those before Austin was a foodie town. It was where like Guy Fieri would come or any of those TV shows.

So it would always get on the, like the, the TV travel channel shows about food. And so it was always busy, even before, like it was a thing, even before Austin became a foodie town. Yeah, yeah. I can say that's what they were known for is that one dish. Yeah, I don't know if I've ever ordered anything besides that there and also I don't know if I've been there in the last 10 years. Yeah, I haven't been there in probably longer. Yeah, about that maybe maybe we should go. It's right there. Maybe instead of talking about one down one down three, he was can share it. There you go. Yeah, but it's right there. Maybe instead of tagging it. This should get one done one and all three of us can share it. There you go.

Yeah, but it's definitely all of this has changed so radically. I rarely come down this far. I guess I was here not that long ago in this part of Caesar Chavez, but- What he does watching it, there was a restaurant I ate at, like across the street down the way a little bit. Well, I don't remember what it was called. It wasn't that great.

It's like I saw it on some list, like sure, fine, I'll try it out. And don't remember what it was called. It wasn't that great. It's like, I saw it on some list, like Cherish Pine, I'll try it out. And I went and I was like, it's not that great. What kind of food was it? It was Taiwanese food. It was, it was like, it's one of the places where it was fine. And it was, so I like, hear me out.

Let's get to the little while I get there, I think. Sure. I like the trend of places just having a QR code on the table. So you can scan it, look at the menu and order if you want. Yes. And the food just comes out straight to you and you don't have to worry. You don't have to wait for someone to come talk to you.

You don't have to make sure you're ready to order at the time they come, then they go away. That whole thing. It's a hassle. The thing is, when you put the QR code on there, you either have to make sure you have cell service in your restaurant so that it loads or you have to have Wi-Fi so that people can load it. You can't have that and then have it not work.

So my cell service was really weak. The page eventually loaded and it was like an internal server error 500. So it took forever to load and then it didn't load. I was like, it just wasn't working. And so I think it sent me off on a bad foot to begin with for that place. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, that's fine.

But it's weird because I feel like there's a lot of people. I see articles, and I hear people talk about all the time, but I guess it's all boomer shit, right? It's like, oh, I miss menus. I wish menus would come back. Thank God they're getting rid of those QR codes. I just want a menu I can hold and look through, like, who gives a fuck?

Look at it on your phone. I guess it's people who can't look at their phone without glasses or it's the same people who need to turn the flashlight on on their phone to look at the menu in a fucking restaurant. Like, fuck. I see the writing on the wall and I don't want to get there. restaurant, like fuck. I see the writing on the wall and I don't want to get there.

This street might be the street with the most buildings that have been the most things since I've lived in Austin, if that makes sense. Okay. Like I feel like much like this place, which has been at least three things since we've lived here, maybe four. I feel like every bar or restaurant with a section of maybe one and a million and a few, maybe a place that sells pinatas over there somewhere.

Yeah. Everything else is mostly, is as flipped multiple times. Well, that was the place you're talking about. Like that was like a flashpoint for gentrification here on Cesar Chavez, the Jumplin place when that closed. God, how long was it seven or eight years ago now? Yeah, probably. It became a cat cafe. It became a cat cafe.

And then that was a real controversial thing and they were dealing with a lot of like vandalism and stuff. So, with that place, Luz Bodega behind us that we turned it to that we were wrong, that was that Liao's tire shop, I believe. And then the family wanted to retire. And they sold it and then they made that loose Bo Dega place and then it became a huge, they were having lots of people throwing paint on it

and protesting and stuff because they were like gentrifying the area. But I feel like every restaurant, every building, every cool old Victorian looking home that is a headquarters to a media company, used to be a salon, used to be a vintage store, used to be a barbecue restaurant. It just feels like you just go down the road

and you're like, five years ago, this was this, seven years ago, this was this, two years ago, this was this. It's a little bit frenetic and frantic to go down to Caesar's Chavez and see the constant change. And it's funny because it's still happening, right? Like, yeah, we're in the park, that's changed quite a bit, but if you keep going east,

then you eventually get to a park where, well, I guess not even that's true anymore. I was gonna say, you get to a park where that's old stuff is still there, and I guess it's like 50-50, it's in the process of- Yeah, there's such a long way. It's over there. Yeah, if you keep going by one and a million,

they just open a new bar almost across the street by La Barbeque called Lovebirds and it's brand new and it's just like, oh, just like in this neighborhood and it's on the drag on Caesar Chavez, it just stuff keeps turning over and becoming new stuff. I don't spend a lot of time in this area because of that. It's, there doesn't feel like there's any root. Yeah, I was gonna say this is the area, you know,

back when I was drinking and going out a lot, I probably spent more time over here than most of the places in Austin. And even with that level of like daily time over here, there's no, like it's all different. You take, you walk away for 18 months and come back and it's all different. You take, you, you walk away for 18 months and come back and it's all different. Even the good stuff, the stuff that was like highly touted and beloved, we talk about the line to get into one and a million. There was a

place called Boothalina, which was in Dia Paul, the pizza place that opened up three blocks from here over on the other side of the street. And same kind of place, like you would have to make reservations months in advance. You would wait outside. They would open at 5.30 and there would be a line at 4.45 of people. And it's not a quick turn in Burn Pizza Place. It's a sit down drink, a bottle of wine,

have a very, have a overpriced pizza kind of place. And it was hugely popular. And they just bulldozed that building and put condos in, that's long ago. There's a boofling up north now. There's one on Burnett. Burnett, yeah. It's over. It's good pizza. But yeah, it's definitely like, wow, I'm paying how much for this pizza.

Yeah, they have a D. A. Volop pizza that's fucking, it's as good as any pizza I've had in Italy. I've had a lot of pizza lately. So the this this area has always been interesting to me as long as I've lived in Austin. You know, we're on Caesar Chavez, and Caesar Chavez and Holly are like on the north side of the river here. And then just on the other side, you know, it's obviously River Side, and like all the streets that run up to the river. And all of this area, East of 35,

was viewed so long as like an undesirable part of town. It was like the, I don't know, the air quotes bad part of town, even though it was never bad. It was never bad and it had beautiful lake or like, Yeah, like it was like town lake accent. It's right on the river like huge parks. Why, why are people avoiding this place, they used to live over there and those really shitty

damp apartments on the other side of the river here. And there was that power plant for a long time, we used to call it the Cloud Factory. Yeah, Cloud Factory. We're not too far from it, it's just a little west of here. Like it was right on the river. And it was just baffling to be for so long

that it wasn't anything more. And I guess now we're at the point where all it is. Well, the interesting thing you talk about the Cloud Factory, it's still there. I think they're in the process of decommissioning it, and I think that there's a lot of, and I could be making this up, but I'm pretty sure I read that there's a lot of,

like chemicals and shit, they gotta like treat the place and like de-poison it, but they have, and you probably haven't seen this because you don't spend a lot of time, I don't think walking around town lake. But they have completely redone the area, the bike trails around there and stuff, where it used to be you would hit the trail,

you would like, the hiking bike trail would run into the power plant, and you'd have to go into the neighborhood, three blocks, and then awkwardly around it. Now they've like, they've hollowed out an area around the back of it, and they made this beautiful bike path, and you can walk around it. So you can you can completely

Circumnavigate that power plant now and see it from all angles. It's interesting. Yeah, yeah, so I They they turned it off like it hasn't produced power in some years now It's just like but you're right. It's still there and they need to yeah, there's some toxic shit I think maybe and figure out how to get rid of it. Yeah, it's like when you play Sim City and you put the power plant in the middle of your town, and then like a hundred years go by and you're like, fuck, everything else has been built up, like crazy, why did I put it here, I'm such an idiot. Yeah, it's exactly like that.

It's got river, it's got river view assets. It's got beachfront property. Yeah, it never made sense to me that this, that this from like, I guess from 35 to pleasant valley on Cesar Chavez and South to the river was considered bad, even though it's gorgeous and some of the nicest land in town. Yeah. Makes no sense.

Well, I think it's again, it's something that we talked about long, I think we talked about this in batch, it's a holdover from 35 splitting the town into like literally segregating the town. And I think this was the, I mean, this, before I think this was the non-white side. So it was quote unquote bad for a long time. And you know, we're still dealing with that with 35 splitting the town. And now you can't buy a house here for under 1.2 million. Yeah. I remember like visiting in the 80s and the 90s and like every would be like, oh yeah, don't go east to 35, it's so bad over there. And then you would go east to 35, like it's not bad.

I don't know what these people are talking about. Yeah. It's totally fine. I heard that when I moved here. I don't get it. It's a stupid. Austin's bad versus every other city's bad that I've been to are incomparable.

Yeah. In big time. Even with the fact that we're rapidly becoming a big city and fucking, I get my, you know, I subscribe to a bunch of police scanners and stuff. And so I get like, police scanners notifications constantly and citizen apps that there's like murders and there's all kinds of shit going on.

And we're gotten street takeovers and like, we're starting to get big city problems, but still nothing close to what's going on in any other real city. I have all of shit going on, and we're gotten street takeovers, and we're starting to get big city problems, but still nothing close to what's going on in any other real city. I have all that shit turned on, so when I go spend a week in gross point in Detroit, I get to see what's going on over there, different world in Detroit.

Let me tell you. We're in an area that, you're very familiar with, there's a baseball field, and a little park or something that's right over here. Yeah, we did this supplemental. like you're very familiar with, there's like a baseball field and like a little park or something that's like right over here. Yeah, we did this supplemental. It's at 3rd in Chicago and it's where my ex-wife studio used to be.

And so I spent years that's practically living there, home away from home. And then Gus and I lived, I mean, like he said, he lived right across the river, basically, directly across the river. But also, Cady Corner was the house he and I lived in together for three or four years. Yeah, really. And that's right by house he and I lived in together for three or four years Yeah, really and that's right by Creekfield

Mm-hmm, which is where we used to play softball at the The interval league with at the call center. Yeah, which was funny because that they used to we talked about that That's why they built they named those apartments the ballpark and they're tearing all that down now If this is the part of town where to those apartments, the ballpark, and they're tearing all that down now. If this is the part of town where, if somebody comes up to me and just mentions Austin, and I'm not thinking about Austin,

this is the first thing that comes to mind. Like this is Austin to me, even though I don't live over here anymore, and I probably never will. I think for me that's downtown, just because, I spend a lot of time there when I was younger, and then I also work there, not only with Rooster Teeth,

but before Rooster Teeth, and my previous job, my office was downtown, so I just spent probably the better part then I also work there. Not only with Rooster Teeth, but before Rooster Teeth in my previous job, like my office was downtown, so I just bit probably the better part of a decade down there. Yeah, I just feel like this, I get it. Like this is a cool place to take people who are in from out of town. Like you could take anyone up and down

Cesar Chavez who's in from out of town because it is bars built or surrounded by trees and homes and you're close to the river and it has all like this stuff but it's someone who like lives here. Again, the only thing that I feel like when I drive up and down sees a chavez is like, it feels like very like rootless. Like there's just stuff that's just turning over.

Just stuff that's like, we built this here. Oh, how long's it been here? I'm about six months and it's like, oh, okay, cool. What was it before? Eight other things. It's just a lot of that. Eight other very cool things that were cool for six months and now they're, oh, okay, cool. What was it before? Eight other things? It's just a lot of that. Eight other very cool things that were cool

for six months and now they're gonna meet, yeah. I will say in this area, if you ever find yourself over here and you want a really nice meal, like two blocks over is a street called Holly Street. On there is a restaurant called Laundorette. Well, the best restaurant in town. My wife loves going there for brunch.

So good. No, I ate there once. I took her one time, but she's gone probably about seven or eight times because it's always like girl brunch day where it is, I'll drop her off and then hours later, come back to pick her up. I mean, just hours and hours and she,

she really likes it. It's a very cool, if I lived right there, I think I would love that. But I don't, so it's just another spot that I have, like everything else here, I have to drive to and fight for parking. I will say, if you lived here, man, you'd be in heaven

because you have 30 restaurants and bars to choose from every day with the parking distance. Every six months, they're all different. And if you, as soon as you get bored with it, they just become a new business. Don't worry, it's something else now. Like, Kerala Snake. I love it.

So it's funny, this place obviously is churning and it had an identity and I feel like as it's doing this churn, it's trying to find a new identity, right? And trying to settle on what it's gonna be. And it makes me think of another part of time, that's nowhere near here, because it's a place that churned,

tried to establish its identity, and in my opinion, just like, kind of failed and did nothing, which is like the triangle. Okay. Which is like, is like a developer came in, it was like, we're gonna take all this land,

and we're gonna build it up, and we're gonna, you know, make this, and we're gonna build it up and we're gonna make this, and it's a very central, convenient location with nothing. Like, there's some apartments there, but it's like, where do you think, because I will 100% agree with you.

Yeah, like no local identity to it at all, could be anywhere. You could be, it's like copy and paste from any city. Wait, okay, so I was gonna ask, where do you think they went wrong with the triangle? Because it's had a Motties, I know you're not a Motties fan, but it's a local place. It's had a, it has a, currently has a hop-dotty, which is a local place, and had a flying saucer which wasn't that close down. It's got a mama foos, which I think is local. Is it? I

don't know, I think I thought it was. I thought it started here. It's got a, it's got that, it's got a grocery store. That's not very good. It's got a natural grocery store there. Yeah, natural grocery store. Not great. It's got a or some of the offers depot before. Yeah. Yeah, there's a good there's an electric bike store I went in once over there. I don't know. There's a lot of stuff over there but nothing that I would go out of my way to go to. I guess the problem. There's a merit coffee there. We can maybe go. I go to that merit coffee sometime. Merit coffee There's a merit coffee there. We can maybe go. I go to that merit coffee sometime.

Mer coffee's fine. That's might be like the best thing. They're San Antonio chain, though. Don't they have ice cream? There's a Jenny's there. Yeah, there's a really good. It's really great ice cream. But again, it's like the way that you are talking about paying

for a boofalina's pizzas, the way that I feel about paying for Jenny's ice cream. Yeah, it's like, oh, you want an ice cream cone? Yeah, $9, please. Like what? Huh, I suppose this is cold. Yeah. And it is creamy.

I would just, it just, I feel like where they went wrong. It maybe it's not any fault of theirs, of the developer, whoever's in charge, it's just no place with any local identity, embraced it and went there. Yeah. It's just, maybe rent was too high, I don't know. But there's definitely a lot of apartments there

and a lot of people who live there just, and there's businesses to support that. It's just nothing outstanding, nothing with any local identity in there. No, I agree with you. And it's weird, because I was excited when it was being developed. I thought this is the kind of stuff we need in Austin

to make us a big city we've got. And we're doing it, right? We've got Mueller, obviously. We've got, and we're doing it, right? We've got Muleer, obviously. We've got the domain, obviously. We have the triangle, which is a very small version of that. We've got the grove over there that's kind of a somewhere in between the triangle and I guess Muleer, closer to the triangle in size though.

But yeah, the triangle for one of reasons is just not very interesting. I go to that, I go to that merit coffee once a week, maybe. I work from there sometimes, when it's too hot to go to my other coffee shop, but it's always crowded. I, I, I do notice that. I wonder if once the, like, the mass transit stuff is built, like, that's supposed to be like in the plans that the triangle is kind of like a hub for a lot of interchange between different lines. I wonder how that's going to affect growth, assuming that the transit system gets deployed in any fashion similar to what it was built as. Are they fully developed out over there too, right?

There's no room. Oh, yeah, there's no more room. Yeah, there's some land for like runoff and there's like easement land, but that's it. Yeah, there's no more space to build anything there. Do you think the public transit stuff is going to happen? Man, but that's it. Yeah, there's no more space to build anything there. Do you think the public trends stuff is gonna happen? Man, I don't know. Like realistically. Like do you think it will?

I think some will. We'll see. There might be a revote that the state of Texas is really trying to stop Austin with this. It won't, it'll happen, but it won't happen in the way you want it to, and it won't be as effective as we want it to be, and it'll be a neutered version, because that's what always happens in Austin

It's the same thing when we got light rail. We got a new-dored version of what we wanted As long as we get something I mean anything is better than nothing right I hate to sound Defeed is what I'll take what we I'll take what we can get well I feel like there's a there's a prevailing attitude with a lot of people where it's like if it's not gonna be perfect And what's the point right well nothing's gonna be to be perfect, right? At least deploy something. Yeah, don't let perfectly be the enemy of good. We... Yes, exactly.

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You imagine getting off an airplane with your luggage and jumping on a bike to go right into downtown in July. I would do it. There's the airport flyer. I mean, it's a bus. Yeah. But that's what I mean. The only thing, the only way to get downtown is vehicle. There's nothing, that's crazy.

It is crazy. And I know he agrees because when we go to places like Seattle or San Francisco that have a tram that goes from the airport to where we're like he gets so excited. Cause it's like, oh we can take the tram and then we hop on and then we're just fun there and it's so convenient. I'm going out of the country in a couple of months.

Yeah. And last night I was looking up the mass transit in each of the places I'm going to like, ooh what train can I take from the airport to get to where I'm going, where my hotel is? Oh here it is, I see, see oh only one transfer great, you know Man everybody but us has this figured out Yeah, so yeah, I'm definitely all about it like I whenever we travel like Jeff said whenever it's like another city

Or out of the country or whoever's like, oh is there a train we can take instead of getting in a car. I fucking love that stuff So yeah, I'm excited for it getting deployed in out of the country where it's like, oh, is there a train we can take instead of getting in a car? I fucking love that stuff. So yeah, I'm excited for it getting deployed in any fashion. I wanna see something, but it's gonna be a long time. Yeah, I mean, we'll see if any of us live here when it actually happens. Yeah, no kidding, right? We're all moving to Michigan. Well, that's the thing.

I wanna live long enough to see what happens to I-35. That's my goal. One more lane. Just one more. Just one more. You need all. Barrier. Barrier.

Connect the city. Barrier. Do it Boston. Do a big dig. But even the, sure, some pedestrians will die in the process. It should fall on them. Yeah. You know, making omelts there.

Even the burial process, like some of the ideas I've seen are so small in scope. Yes. Like bury it from 12th to the river. It doesn't make it. Cool, I mean, I can't, I can't, don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Yeah.

That's such a small stretch. The whole issue with 35 of them is like, what's so busy around downtown? What's busy? Cause it dog legs. When you get down past the river, it dog legs, and nobody, I don't know if you drive in Austin, if somebody hits the brakes and they're next to you,

you also don't have to break it. And you can just keep it going. Yeah. Adding one more lane is what's going to happen. And it is going to fix nothing happen and it is going to fix nothing and it's gonna be phenomenal to see. Have you ever driven, I'm looking at Eric. Eric, have you ever driven down I-10

between Katie and Houston? Have you taken I-10 down there? I don't think so. I might be wrong on this. I believe that is the widest freeway in the world. No, you know what, I have. I have, I was thinking, I went out to Houston a couple of times. One time it was all like weird backroads and like stuff that wasn't like

like two 90 out there. Yeah, yeah. And it was just like this in like this sucks. And then the other time it was that you and you just go what I'm work for California driving on this and going what the fuck is. It's massive. Anyway, wild, wild, and it really is a testament to people saying just one more. Yeah, whenever people say we just want more like that's exactly what I think of that. I'm till you get to any of the parts where those lanes stop being there. And it all chokes, which is the problem with adding one more lane anywhere. Unless you do it the whole way, what are you doing? Yeah, you're creating choke points.

Yeah, you need to find a way to move the people more efficiently, like either more densely or through another route. Right. Like rail or something. Well, is it everyone 30 was supposed to be? Yeah, it's funny. 130, you know, it's like the toll wave way out east

of Austin. Is that considered a failure? No. Well, so when it first got built, I thought it was a, I thought like nobody's ever going to use it. Every time I see a 18 wheeler on a 35, I consider a failure. Well I think the initial thought was that they were going to reroute all 18-wheeler traffic out there and then I think they found out legally they couldn't do that. That's half of that's half of the problem. That being said I feel like at this point 130

is finally starting to be used. I see a lot more traffic on it and I see a lot more use on it and I don't think it's diverting any Well, maybe it is diverting some strain from 35. I think that's more testament to how far east things have been built out Yes, it's really you know all that traffic that we were getting up from Lockhart up to Flugerville You know, it's really taking care of the 13th on that drive But it's such a weird to build a toll road and then say hey take that and everyone went this one's free and they went right Oh hang on and that here we are. I think you're seeing a lot of manufacturing getting built out there because of 130 Like that's out by the Tesla factory. That's where Samsung is building, you know, their factory out in Taylor

Yeah There's a lot more like industrial growth out there that I think will be you'll see a lot more Like big truck traffic on 130 because of be, you'll see a lot more like big truck traffic on 130 because of that. And you already see a lot of vehicular traffic out there now. I think for a long time I thought it was stupid, but now Austin's grown out to the point where it's starting to be used. So it just wasn't used in the way I thought it was going to be something built it.

It's not alleviating any traffic from our central corridor, but it is a lot of expansion. And I guess it's keeping it from getting worse as it grows, right? Yeah, also, fuck toll roads. Also, fuck roads. Why do we have them? What's the point? Why couldn't it just been another highway?

I know. Like, that one. I just got my NTTA tag. Oh, yeah. I'm excited for that. Did you have a text tag before? No, a text tag sucks. Yeah, text, yeah, text, yeah.

The fuck it's worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And maybe, yeah Did you have a text tag before? No, text tag sucks. Yeah, text, yes, yes, yes. It's like, am maybe. Yeah, I had a text tag for like two years, and then I switched over to an NTT8, and it was just all one fuck up, but for it's local toll. Emily did it all, and it was a nightmare. Yeah, it was a fucking nightmare.

I switched to NTT8. I have not had one problem in the many years I've had it. And it looks in a lot of other states too. Yeah, it's great. It's great Florida. You guys were talking about a lot of the changes happening here and a lot of stuff that maybe you missed or whatever. But we got off the freeway and there's no more pawn shop, guys.

These are gonna be a big pawn shop over there at Caesar Chavez and I-35. I had a huge sign you could see from the highway. It said like a cash for gold. Cash for gold. And I think there was a little sign that said guns and like the letters, it's just like, it's been bulldozed. It's just a foundation now.

Um, that area is weird. There was like an after hours club there for a long time. And then there was that native place that was like a expensive, fancy hostel. And now that's a gone and it's something else. And the whole area is fucking, talk about change. Yeah. Just impossible to keep track of what's there. Yeah, and it's right by downtown,

right by the convention center. So if you came here for RTX, I mean, you were right by there. Yeah, I thought, what a bizarre area. Gus and I have been in every single pawn shop in the city of Austin. Well, we were at one point. At least, unless they've built one in the city of Austin. We were at one point. At least.

And last day's built one in the last 10 years. And last year's, any of that have been built in the last 12 years, we haven't been in. Probably at least four or five times. Yeah, at least. Maybe more. We had a, we printed out a list of every pawn shop in Austin

and then we segmented it. And then we all took our 40 or whatever. You got to know everyone there. Yeah, I did anyway. That is too. Yeah, it's funny because I used to when we were younger, we would go to garage sales looking for video game stuff and sometimes we would hit up pawn shops too. We talked about going to the pawn shop down in San Antonio. A couple of sets of tickets. So I used to really enjoy going to pawn shops,

and then we had to go to all of them for a long time. And I've not enjoyed pawn shops again since then. No, it just isn't the same for me. I saw a few weeks ago I was driving on a street real close to my house, and there was just like a bike lying on the sidewalk, like not, you know, with the static, like, literally just lying on its side on the sidewalk, one morning, I thought,

oh, that's weird, then I drove by later in the, like around New Nish, and it was still there, and then the afternoon I drove by again, and it was still there, I was like, all right, I got you around this bike. So like, like, I park, and I go out there, and I look at this bike, the tires inflated, it's fine, it's not like a all right, I got you around this bike. It's like, I park and I go out there and I look at this bike. The tire's inflated, it's fine.

It's not like a fancy bike or anything. It's a real cheap bike. And it's got like a pawn shop sticker on it. And it looks like it's been reduced a few times, like the price tag. And I was like, no, I guess someone just stole this bike, rode it until they didn't need it, and you more left it here.

Just, they was like, all right. I looked to see if it had like someone's name engraved on it or like any identification or like any way to return it. There was nothing on it. It was like, all right, you live your bike. When I moved to Austin, it had this program that was the coolest thing in the world. And I'm sure if you're listening to this and you're from another major metropolitan area, your city probably has, not unique. A lot of cities had these. Yeah. But Austin had this thing. And I don't know what ever happened to it, but I want to say I died in the early 2000s. They had this thing called the

yellow bike program and they would take it was a nonprofit and they would take people with donate bikes, they would spray paint them yellow and they would fix them up and they would leave them out and there were just yellow bikes around town. If you saw a yellow bike anywhere in town, you could pick it up and ride it wherever you needed to and just leave it and leave it in a good, easily findable place for the next person. And then Austin operated like that for a long time. I used them a few times, they were great. They were like junky bikes, but they were free.

You weren't stealing one, and they were just around. It was neat. I missed that program. It was great. I'm sure people started stealing the bikes. I'm sure. And then, you know, with the advent of smartphones, now it's all scooters.

Like now, now there's a way to monetize it. Yeah, we monetize the thing that was very easy before. Right. It was like free and easy. And now it's like, oh, now it's now a cost money. Yeah. Something that we're like half an hour in. I do want to talk about the coffee.

I want to talk about kind of like the space and get to energy questions and everything. But something we didn't talk about last episode that we said we were going to, because at the end of the previous episode before that, we said we were going to talk about flying with Gus. Oh, we have not done that still. Oh my God, last time you were too fired up

and we didn't get around to it. I forgot about that. I want to talk, I want, how was it? Tell me everything. What did you do? What was the weather like? Was it hot? Is he a good pilot? It flew out from Austin to Fredericksburg.

Uh huh. There's a, there's a diner at the airport there in Fredericksburg. Yep. Head some lunch and then flew back from Fredericksburg to Austin. Okay. So here's what happened. We went to myself, Jordan Sweeers and Gustavo Sorola. From that other podcast you did yeah

um we all met up at a uh a smaller airport I don't I don't know what you would call that so it's it's the Austin airport but it was like over on the south side you call it it they call it an FBO it's a fixed base operator um it's where if you are boarding a private jet where you go as opposed to like the main passenger car so the South terminal So the South Terminal. Not the South Terminal. Not the South Terminal. It's all of like the big hangers by the South Terminal that you fly by and when you're

about like when you're on the runway to take off, you look over and you go, oh, that's where they keep all the other little planes. Right. Did you guys all drive together? Me and Jordan drove. So you guys did you like where you confused? Was it easy to navigate? We have been, this is the third attempt at flying with Gus.

Okay, okay. The first time we were rained out, the second time. No, the first time, they were like, oh, the plane's not available, we're swapping out the end thing. Oh, that's what it was. Yeah, that, dude, that was great. They're just like, yeah, there's no engine in the, what? What?

And so, the second second time we make it to The tarmac and the plane and we're getting ready the wind is blowing so fucking hard. It was too strong We just went Boy, I mean we certainly can't fly in this yeah, and Gus went we certainly can't fly in this And so we didn't so we finally got it scheduled and we went Me and Jordan met Gus there Gus walks right he's Big man on campus. They see him walk through. Everyone's waving at Gus. He's going in to like the private school like backroom thing

and he's talking to like the other pilot. He's just landed and he's bringing like the plane in. It's probably about 1030 by the time we're out there, we're taking off. It's like 11-ish. I'm in the back seat. Jordan's in the front with Gus, and we take off and we go around. Gus is talking to the terminal in Austin, and it's just like any time Delta or United, it's the same channels, you hear all that chatter, and Gus is doing the call signs, talking to the people, they're like, oh yeah, they have all these signals here,

take off at this, and here's what you do, and then once you're in the sky, you're in fucking sky and you just go and you go and we flew Near downtown and got like a really cool view and then we had out to Fredericksburg. It's about 11 in the morning. So it's not Hot hot. It's warm. And so it's a little bumpy when we I just want to I want a sidebar We flew out over downtown. It's like we flew over lady bird lake. Yes, pretty much So it's like right over downtown. It wasn't like we were flying into downtown. It was Every scenic view you've seen from like a postcard of downtown was what we were looking at out the window Are you limited in how you can fly over downtown like are there rules around?

Legally you have to be,000 feet over the nearest obstacle. So it's like the tallest building downtown is 1,300 feet above sea level. So the lowest you can get is 2,300 feet above sea level. We were at about 3,000 to pat it. So we got up to 3,300,500. And it was a little bumpy, and you kind of keep head not west.

And it is so fast to get to Fredericksburg when you can go in a straight line. Yeah. When you don't have to wait for other cars and you're just you can go just straight there. You don't have to go through the wide. 30, 30 minutes, 35 minutes. Yeah, like 35. We got up to around what, 6,000, 7,000 feet on the way out there and it was smooth sailing. How fast are you going? Ground speeds, probably close to 100 miles an hour. Okay.

So we're like, we're cruising there, we get there, gusses. So technically, when you leave like the Austin airspace, they hand you off to like, Yeah, we were talking Houston. We were talking to Houston, and Houston is telling us like, go here, go there. But also you don't, we saw planes that like weren't doing that. Yeah. That were just like taking off or landing or whatever

from like the Fredericksburg airport. Very small little airport, but it has like a hotel there and a little like diner. So we thought it would be really cool. Let's go for lunch. Let's fly out and get a burger and we'll fly back. The burger was fine. It was like good. It wasn't whatever I had a fried steak

Yeah, how was it in comparison to the burger we had at Highland lanes some most recent burger I thought it was I would say it's a little bit better than that Okay, but they it was pretty close the bun was very nice, but the shake was fucking phenomenal The milkshake was really good. You're out of vanilla one, right? Yeah, and then the season will one they had was peach Yeah, that's what Jordan got a lot of sense and we got there We had a seat and it was like a little diner like two ladies that work there kind of like running around and this is on the airport Yeah, okay, like you get you land of the plane you parked the plane you tie it down and you walk into the diner So it's the diner's four pilots

into the diner. So it's the diner's four pilots. You can feel like to like citizens like Fredrick's bird, do Fredrick's burglions go there? Yeah, I think I kept joking about that. I was like, there's way more people and planes in here. Yeah, a lot of civilians in here. Yeah. Um, but we got there. We ate and it was, it was a really good time. And then on the way back, we switched where I sat in the front, Jordan sat in the back. And, uh, this is after lunch. so it's early afternoon. So it's getting hot.

It, we took off. It was like getting shot into the air. The ground wanted us off. It's so fucking bad. Really? The heat coming off of the ground is shooting you into the air. Then we're flying out of Fredericksburg. Gus is doing all like the calls

and everything. Now is he a confident pilot or is he incredibly confident? Okay. Like at no point did we ever feel like, oh man, I don't know what we're getting into. It was like, oh, this is very easy. Whatever. We get up to about 3,500 feet and we're flying back towards Austin. And it is like getting picked up by our Mondo Torres and shaking around. It was fucking crazy. We climbed a 7500 feet and it is like being picked up by Andrew Roses and being shaken around. It is not as strong, but boy you're getting shaken. So normally it's really bad the first 3500 feet because of the heat and the wind and it'll

really bump you up. Once you get above 300 and it's smooth. Like you talk about going out to Frigisburg. We got up to 70. I kept climbing trying to get away from that turbulence and it was, it was like being in a rock tumbler. The entire way. The last, probably 20 minutes.

I mean, it's like a 35, 40 minute flight. The last 20, 15, 20 minutes of it, I started getting so air sick. I was just holding on going like, okay. It was only your sweat and the was just hold not going like, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just looking out and trying to find the horizon and going, okay, put your hand on something flat, find the horizon, just who we land and it's no pro. As soon as we get on the ground, the air sickness goes away, like it was totally

fine. But boy, that Jordan Phil too. He said he was feeling a little bit towards the end. I was like really, it was hit me hard. I could kind of see it in Eric. I kept trying to distract him. I kept trying to like ask about something. I wasn't like trying to get his mind off of it. Could you were in the back on the way back? No, I was in the front on the way back.

On the way back. Is it better in the front or worse? I've never sat in the back. I don't know. It is. It's like it'd be worse in the back. It is on a bigger plane. I don't know.

It was bumpy on the way out there until it wasn't. It never stopped being bumpy on the way back. But so if you were to fly with Gus, I would say wait till October. Yeah, wait till it's not 105 degrees outside. It really is the air coming off of the ground. I didn't realize it. Makes such a fucking difference. It's insane.

It's cool. I think I told you guys on that flight, like sometimes when you're at a lower altitude, you can tell when you fly over like a Walmart or parking lot, because like, oh, there's like a ton of hot air coming up. You are just, you're going, you're going, you're going! It was just straight up in the air. I, here's the problem I have with flying with Gus.

Uh-huh. I actually, I do want to fly with Gus. I think it'd be fun. I want to see more than anything. I'm gonna have flown a million times in my life, I do want a fly with Gus. I think it'd be fun. I want to see more than anything. I'm gonna have flown a million times in my life. I'm not excited about the flight. I'm just excited about seeing Gus in a new element. Like it's exciting to see Gus be good at this thing

that he's really excited and passionate about, and he's worked really hard at. It is such an activity that is Gus brained, that it is like he's made for it. Right. I started explaining, okay, well there's like a clock in here that's like the time, but also that's like a flight hour time which takes into account the speed at which you're traveling.

So it clocks time differently for when the plane is going and you're like, what are you talking, and it was just, it dawned on me. I went, this is an activity made for and by engineers. This is guys who like do math as a hobby. And now they have figured out how to like make it an activity. Yeah, but he failed out of college. This is for sure.

But man, I quit before they kicked me out. I quit before I failed. He puts on his gloves and he's checking the plane. He's checking like the gas and like the fuel and all this stuff, incredible. Incredible. And your season to piloting? I think there is some crossover. I know Jordan's really into F1.

So it's like if you're into like, if you know how engines work and you're into that kind of stuff and fuel air mixture, ratios and all of that, it's like, oh, then you can kind of like dive into that a little more. This is also stuff where he's describing is stuff that can be automatic. And these engineers choose for it not to be because they are simply going,

well, just pull the nozzle and you go, right, but you don't have to. And they go, right, but just pull the nozzle. Here's why I don't think I will fly with Gus. Oh, you should. Well, first off, I don't know that I've ever been officially invited. You should. But like, well, what's cool? There you go.

Well, I have been, uh, I feel like, and I feel ever been officially invited. You should, but that's cool. Well, what's cool? There you go. Well, now I have been. I feel like, and I feel like this is a Bernie thing, which I feel a little embarrassed about, because he's always say shit like this, but it just seems like it's, the universe has, I don't want to make it too easy for the universe to take us both out this time. I understand.

You know what I mean? I will say, I felt safer flying in this plane with Gus than I do for most like big commercial airline flights. That's good. Even like when you can see how high up you are and it's, oh, we're 7,500 feet up and you look down and you just go, I mean, it's really not that high and this thing will glide forever. Yeah.

And as we were going, I pointed out, I think like, oh, look, there's a runway there. Oh, there's a runway there. There were runways in fields everywhere. It was so weird. Yeah, it's like, oh, if the engine dies, like we're just gonna glide right over there. That's what we're gonna learn. It felt so safe the whole time.

You really should do it. It was very likely to us in his element. I would like to just to see him do it. I just, like I said, I just don't want the universe to take us both out. It's statistically, it's about as safe as riding a motorcycle. I have crashed my motorcycle twice. So you're set. You got it out of the way. I really, it was so much fun to go with the guys. I want to do it again. I want to go to

another place to go eat lunch. I want to do it in November when it's cold and you don't get shan't around like it's in cold. Where else have you flown to like that? Have you ever been to Waco? Yeah, I've been in McGregor, which is right outside of Waco. It's like just to the southwest of it. Waco. So I've been close to Waco.

I just, I can go to Waco, I just haven't been there. Is it weird? Is, are you restricted in how close you can fly to Fort Hood? Yes, there are some restricted air spaces out there, but I mean, if you're talking air traffic control, they'll clear you through it. It's not like. It's like, it's like,

we have a San Antonio, they have four militeria. If anything actually out there, by McGregor, you have to be careful because there's a SpaceX testing facility. And that's also close to where George W. Bush's ranch is. And I believe you cannot fly over his ranch properly. So there are some places you gotta be careful, but if you're talking air traffic control a lot,

you can fly lots of places. I think so the furthest I've been is down to like Porto Ranzas. I just like one day, I was like, I wanna see the Gulf of Mexico. How long do you think you've done the portage? Two hours. That's like one day I was like, I want to see the Gulf of Mexico. How long to take you then to Porto? Two hours. That's not bad. Just about two hours. I think at one point, this fall, once, you know, weather is, you know, cools down. I may fly down a brownsville just to be like, look, there's Mexico. Yeah. You know, and fly back, but we'll see. Do you, uh, do you have a flight out to like college station?

I've been to college station a few times. In fact, college station airport also has a restaurant on it. That was the other place we might have gone to. We were, we almost went to college station and up Fredrick's bird. Glad we went out there. It was very cool. I hadn't been out there since like an October fest, so it was neat. The reason I wanted to go to Fredrick's bird instead was like Eric said the air, the diner is right there.

You don't have to go anywhere. It's like right by the runway. In college station, you have to like walk out and then walk through the parking lot. I don't want to do that. I want to like we parked the plane and it was like parking to go to this coffee shop. It's like in the parking. Yeah, there's a parking lot. It really was cool. Oh, you know, it'd be cool. I could get you to fly. I could fly with you out to Fredericksburg in like October, November. And then I could take an Uber to the Christmas store because they have a tiny town there. They have the closest place I can get tiny town in Texas. I can do all my tiny town shopping.

And then Uber back to the airport and you go home. You don't have to Uber. So that's an interesting thing that I think a lot of people who don't go through this don't know is like, when you go to like an FBO, like let's say you park it for Ejectsburg and you go to the park you're playing there. You can walk into the office and be like, hey, can I borrow your car?

And they'll let you borrow their car. You can drive into town. Then you just put like a couple bucks of gas in it and just drop it off back in your car. So you make a day out of it. You don't have to ditch Gus to go to Tiny Town. Are you fucking serious? We can all just go to Tiny Town.

Grand, it's not a nice car. It's not a nice car. It's a tiny town's a Rischthee fan, too. I, hey, usually it's not a nice car. It's like some old clapped out, we had to go, but you know what I mean? For cost, should we make this an Anma thing? Is this a thing where we make a day?

We got Fredericksburg, I bring this little thing and we see what happens. Yeah. I mean, we don't even have to hold mics. I have like a mic that goes on the top of this where we can just like pass it around. We don't have to, let's hold them. Push the nozzle, man.

Yeah, okay, this is fun. This is definitely interesting. This way till it's cooler. Yeah, oh God, yeah, we have to wait till like October. I won't fly with you until October, November. I won't get back in that fucking plane. The air sick, I have thought about once every day since we've done it.

It's brutal. There are a lot of students who quit in the summer and there's no reason anyone should be doing this. It's rough. We should talk about the coffee. Freewheeling coffee here in the parking lot of Carousel Snake. Listen, I'm in love with this cup of coffee.

Really? This, yeah, this cup, this Americano, this iced Americano I got, it's like, when I want a cup of, when I want an iced Americano, this is when I'm picturing my head. Wow. This is like, for, this is like, wow. One of the best cups of coffee I've had on this show.

Gus, Jeff? That's me, I'm Jeff. I'm gonna go 9.7. Wow. This is fucking good. The only reason I'm not going higher is because I don't want to rate it higher than I'll get. I understand.

This is up there with all the energy. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like Franklin's like a hair better than a barbecue but it's like, you're split in hairs. This is a great, so here's the thing.

It's a very good cup of coffee. It's great. It's a great cup of like ice coffee that tastes like it's cold brew. I couldn't tell, but no bitterness, very easy. Stays cold the whole time. Plenty of ice. Great spot to sit at Coral Snake here in the back.

I think this is a great area for like coming down to get a cup of coffee to chill out, bring your MacBook, get some stuff done, sit under a fan and just hang out at Carouse snake. I this is probably like a nine, nine, two, nine, three. This is great. Yeah, nine, nine point five, whatever I gave all gimmicks, same score. I mean, this is, this is really good. I really like this coffee. Dude, it was really nice. Yeah, awesome. I mean, this is really good. I really like this coffee. Dude, it's really nice. Yeah, super nice.

Yeah, awesome. I mean, I could not say enough good things about this place. If you're in town, get a cup of coffee here. Get a cup of coffee here, get a cup of coffee at all gimmicks. I mean, these are like the two best cups of coffee that I'm on the show. Two bests of, as of this moment, and our knowledge base, the two best cups of coffee

in Austin are these two locations. Yeah, all gimmicks in free will and coffee. Yeah, I know best cups of coffee in Austin are these two locations. All gimmicks in free will. We will. Yeah. North and central. Yeah. Very meter expectations coming.

It's like a trailer. It's in a parking lot. Wow. Told you to bloom me away. It's also a thing where I think people are easy like they're fast to dog on Starbucks and and pizza coffee and all this stuff. Because it's a big chain coffee thing, but you have to consider that like,

a lot of coffee places aren't great, they're fine. Yeah. And if you're getting a cup of coffee, sometimes you just do that, whatever. This is one I would go out of my way for. Like I would put it down here, and like next time I get a haircut, I might, my haircut is on like seventh.

So I might just hop down here, get a cup of coffee, cruise up, go get a haircut, and then I might find a rock star bagel while you're over there. Hey, I might find excuses to come out here just to get this coffee. Yeah, wow. So let me know because I'll definitely come to Carl Snake again and we can fly here. Yeah. That was really good. We are a little shy on time. I do want to see if we can get to an anarchy question. You can send us anarchy questions at ANMA podcast on Instagram and on Twitter and our slash ANMA podcast on Reddit.

We don't run that. Want to be very clear that we don't run the subreddit. Just FYI. This is from great and great, GREI, T-O-N, great and great G R E I T O N great and sounds right Griten what is a place in Austin that you have good memories of but the other person may not have heard of oh Weird right I it's you we might not have an answer for it, but I like that I might have one time at the Venerable disease clinic and I never yeah, it's right down the road over here

the Narell disease clinic and I've never tried that road over here. Arcade UFO never been there. Oh, very cool. Yeah, arcade UFO is a very cool place. Yeah, really buy it. Never been there. Yeah, super, super cool. It's an arcade. It's real close to campus. Yeah. Yeah, it's like real, real dark inside. It's a, it's like if you brought a, um, Japanese arcade. Yeah, it's like you picked it up and plopped it down where it is just like, hey, do you like Street Fighter III? Oh, yeah. Yeah, kinda. All right, what about Street Fighter IV?

Kinda, how about Street Fighter II? And you're like, all right, I'll be blood. I'm what the fuck is going on? Yeah, arcade UFO is a place, I haven't been to in a long time, but I just spend quite some time there for a while and lots of fond memories there. And I was pretty sure Jeff had never been there. a long time, but I just spend quite some time there for a while and lots of fun memories there. And I was pretty sure Jeff had never been there.

Oh yeah, no way. So mine is a place that I'm pretty sure Gus has never been and I go there once a week at a minimum every week of my life for the past three years. Okay. Card traders of Austin. Yeah. It's up north off 183.

I'm there constantly. Really? Like a home away from home, yeah. Wow. So I get all the stuff for the... Where is it 183? there's a, I'm there constantly. Really? Like a home away from home, yeah. Wow. So I get all the stuff for the, where is it 183? For the break show, it's like, if you go up 183, past like, I don't know, do you know where the academy is?

Yeah. It's like the next, it's like that by McNeill kind of that. Yeah, by McNeill, yeah, it's like the next exit after the academy, that's how I was no return. Okay, it's where the big lots is. Yeah, there's a fat, fat dragon. Yeah, back, I was gonna say back in there, there's like some, a couple of like Asian restaurants. It used to be that chance, handmade noodles. Yes. There's a summation markets over there too, I think. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's good. Yeah, these are good, these good spots. Very fun.

NFT. See, I think that'll do it for this episode. This is a fun one. This is a... Man, I want to... Can we come back here next week? Right, man. This cup of coffee is pretty good. I feel spoiled. Also, sitting back here in the shade, watching some grackles hang out next to Carouse Snake. Good time. This is very cool. If you guys want to you guys wanna follow us at andmapodcast on Instagram and on Twitter. Also, if you're listening to this and you want more, you should go to the face YouTube channel because Gus and Jeff, by the time you hear this,

they would have already happened. Gus and Jeff will have done a break show where they are opening a bunch of Gus's cards that he's had in storage for how many years? Uh, 30, a little over 35 years? Great, 35 year old cards. I cannot wait. So they're gonna be opening those.

As soon as we're done recording this, I'm gonna have you guys talk into the phone and so I can post something from the face account promoting it, but very excited. Go to the f**k face YouTube channel for the break show to check that out. Anything else you guys wanna plug or any wise words for people at home?

Come to free-willing coffee. I mean, I can't say that. I know, this place fucking rolled. It was so good. Thank you. Thank you. So I don't have enough podcasts, not enough places for me to spew nonsense.

So I started a new one. It's about things that are interesting to me. Who shot J.R., Irish folk music? What happened to Acapulco? Hopefully you will listen to it, and you'll find out the answers to these and other in name questions. Alright. you