ANMA - Cuddling with Gus

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

Good morning, Gus. Another rainy day in Austin and the last episode before we take a "2 episode break" so we had to do it right - we finally go to Barrett's Coffee! Gus and Geoff talk about Gus’ movies, Eagle Pass memories, New institutions, Weather prediction, Liking where you are, There’s no place like Austin, and 9/11? Sign our guestbook and check out www.anarchymeanything.com Sponsored by you, if you sign up for FIRST at fuckfacepod.com/first or stinkydragonpod.com/first you feel me Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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72 was Uptown Sports Club. We talked about the British are plumbing. We talked about HTML, traveling without bags, Alamo Draft House, the iron claw versus iron giant, and tech support barrier of entry. But that was all last time. Unijack Flaming does not have a website. I tried to link them on anarchymeanything.com.

Also, you have to go to www.anarchy. Oh, does the other one not work? Well, the other one's owned by Torgard, I think. Oh, I gotta update that. Yeah, you gotta tell Torgard. Thanks, no one told me. Yeah, thank you. Oh, I just found out.

No, I'll fix that. So I had to link to Union Jack's Yelp page. Because I didn't have a website for me to link to. And I gotta also link our story. I got a lot of work to do on that. I've just fallen behind. Good morning, Gus. Good morning. Yeah, it's like that this why I didn't want to make a website. It's a lot of work. You see some some clever little dickhead posted on our message board that there have reported us to ICANN for being a little bit of a sight. Have our that's funny. Have our website removed. That doesn't work. I found out. Yeah, good luck on that. Earlier before we started, we were talking about your time with the movie thing. Yeah, set up? Because I feel like that's kind of a story.

Yeah, go for it. Is it a story? Yeah, because it's relevant to a story we told in the past. Okay. So, if you're like someone who's listened to our podcasts in the past or some of the other stuff that we've put out, there's this story about how when we went to E3, I want to say it was in 2001. We were out late one night and Bernie wanted to go to Vegas and I did not want to go to Vegas.

No. Yeah, and I just kept saying like, just let me out. Y'all can go to Vegas, not a big deal. I'm giving a very quick summary. And he was like, no, no, no, we're in a minivan. He's like, I'm going to drive us all to Vegas. Like, I don't want to go to Vegas. Just let me out.

I'll get a cab. Oh, it was before Uber, right? Why? We have a minivan. I don't know. And I was like, I'll get a cab. I'll go back to Uber, right? Why did we have a mini van? I don't know. And I was like, just, I'll get a cab. I'll go back to the hotel. And then he just kept pushing it.

And we were in the parking lot of a Del Taco. And I said, listen, don't say Vegas anymore. If you say Vegas one more time, I'm going to get out of this van and I'm going to leave. And he did the same thing where he tested me. He's pushing the line. He turned around and looked me dead in the eye and said, if I say Vegas one more time, you're going to leave. And it's that thing where it's like I'm being pushed and I said I gave my threat and now if I don't act on it I'm full of shit. He's like I've been pushed to this point. So I got out of the van and I left I like ran down the street to

7-11 ran down the street pulled out some cash got a cab found a different hotel whatever this whole thing So you can go listen RTP. There's an animated venture. Yeah, so last night Oh, not last night the other night. I just had the TV on and Big Lebowski was on. And I was like using my laptop or something, it was just on in the background. And it's that scene where the dude goes to pick up Walter before they do the money drop. It's fairly early in the movie. He picks them up outside of subject security. And I just happen to look up at the TV and I see like, I see the shopping center, the strip mall, and I think that looks kind of familiar, but all strip malls in LA

kind of look the same. It looks more familiar to you than me because I never left the vehicle. I never, I went in and out of Del Taco eating a burger 10 minutes later going, what do you guys think Gus is going to do? You spent some time there. Yeah, but I saw there was a Del Taco across the street when you pulled in I was like, oh weird That looks like the del taco that I stormed out of so I looked up the filming location on Google Maps and I was like, oh shit That's it. That's the del taco from that story So if you watch big Lebowski the scene where Walter picks up or where the dude picks up Walter

For the money drop and you see the del taco across the street in the background That's the del taco. I stormed out of all those years ago. Got back to the hotel later that night, Eric. And Gus and I used to share rooms back in the day. Sometimes we had to share the same bed, we'd sleep head to toe. And uh... What?

No, we wouldn't. We'd also sleep head to head. That's fine. We'd sleep head to head. We slept head to toe before. We've done them all. We've done them both. But we also slept head to head

You know why we stopped sleeping head to head like because I woke up one night and he was cuddling me He was big spooning me. Is that right? Yeah, like Nuzla and his beard in the back of my night You didn't even push back you weren't even gonna be like 100% true 100% I woke up. I'm like what the fuck you doing? He's like Shin Rub it in the back of my neck So I was like we're head to toe now. So then I was just cuddling with his cock every time.

Jem, it'll still line up. They covered that in Seinfeld. I got back to the hotel room that night. And there was a note on our pillow, because we shared the bed, that just said, see an Austin gust. That was great. I tried to call the airline that night

and get a flight out of LA back to Austin, but I couldn't. That's why I ended up going to another hotel. Anyway, all this has been talked to death. It's been really detailed in another episode of a different podcast. But this is the nostalgia podcast. That's what we're supposed to do. Yeah, no kidding.

The audience gets mad when we start stories and then stop it, and so we've already told them before. They want us to be more of a Bernie where we just tell the same four stories over and over and over and over again until people beg us to stop We I guess we need to find that line But anyway, Eric was like you're when you were just watching Big Lebowski and I said oh Big Lebowski is one of Gus's movies Yeah, and and and you go oh really and Gus goes I don't know if it's one of my movies And I got now that's one of your movies and then I go you got a few and Gus goes

I'd be really interested to hear what you think my movies are Yeah, then yeah, and then Eric said stop talking Give you four Gus movies. Okay. All right big Lebowski. Okay rush more. Oh, yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah for sure go I Enjoy go quite a bit. I have not rewatched it in a few years. So I put that one on the cusp Yeah, but I did let go you fucking you would never shut up about it watch it a violet crown not too long Really? Yeah, it was oh it was bad ten years. I so I did it It's it is the distillation of the 1990s in one film where it is Hey, we're gonna get these people whose careers are like on an upswing or on a downturn

And there's all these intersecting stories. And we go to the blank title card and the soundtrack is like this. And it's just, and it's Doug Liman. It's all of it is the next thing. And the next thing, and it's just, man. 1999. You wanna know what the 90s were?

Watch, go. It is. It was sold, you can tell it's sold on Timothy Olafant being shirtless in a Santa hat and Katie Holmes giving that monologue about Christmas. Those are the things that sold it and they went fuck we gotta write a whole script now. Yeah. That's one of the few times when Gus and I walked out of a movie and I went that sucked and Gus won. That was awesome. And I was like oh we saw it. We are not seeing

eye to eye on this one. We saw it with Bernie. You and Bernie both hated it. And I was like, oh, we we saw it. We are not seeing eye to eye on this We saw it with Bernie you and Bernie both hated it. Yeah, and I thought it was really good I like it at the time in 1999 Anyway, I can understand why you would say that's one of my moves the fourth movie that I'll throw in there There's another old one run lolorun. Oh, oh, I should just rewatch that recently. They are I thought I think they're showing it They are they yeah using a lot in the promos. That's a really good movie. Plus bonus for that movie. That movie's like 65 minutes long. What I used to, or 70 minutes long, what I used to do is I had the DVD for it. I would put it on and then like, that's how long ago it would clean my apartment. I would hit play, clean my apartment. And then

when the movie was over, it was like, I know I clean my apartment for an hour. It was like, it was like a good timing. Like when you listen to a song to brush your teeth. Right. It was like that's the amount of time, when I was like 20 or 21. That's the amount of time I need to clean in order to not be disgusting. For the record, I'm not still listening to a song to brush my teeth. I was like 7 when I did that. For the record, I don't do that anymore either. I was like, it was like living on my own for the first time.

How'd I do? Those are my 4 guest movies. Those are really good. I think Go is the weakest one. I haven't seen that in a while, but I did like that on my own for the first time. How'd I do? Those are my four DOS movies. Those are really good. I think Go is the weakest one. I haven't seen that in a while, but I did like that movie a lot when it came out. So yeah, those are good. I was talking with Chris the other day, or not the other day, it was actually several months ago. How old are you, 46? Yeah, about to be 46. Couple months is the other day.

Yeah, you to be 46. Couple months is the other day. Yeah, you're fine. And I know he's a big Rushmore fan and I asked him, have you ever seen Ghost World? And he said, no. Oh, I should have mentioned Ghost World. Ghost World's a good one. He's never seen Ghost World. That's another one of your movies. Yeah, and I was like, you really should watch it.

For me, Ghost World and Rushmore are like companion movies. They're very similar, but different experiences depending on your childhood, I guess. Your tolerance of racism. And I think that those two movies go together very well. And so Ghost World is another movie that I really like quite a bit. Yeah, I completely forgot about Ghost World.

Yeah, and I think that's a, you know, obviously it wasn't very, I don't think it was a very big hit when it came out. And I think that's a, you know, obviously it wasn't very, I don't think it was a very big hit when it came out. And I think it's always been kind of a small movie, but I think that movie is incredible. I think people who like it really like it, people who see it really like it. Oh yeah.

If you're on Cinco's World, go watch it. What are your movies, Eric? Boy, my favorite movie's Major League. So that's definitely like way, way, way up there. That's one where I'll watch it no matter what. Oh, Conair. I don't I don't like Conair, but boy when it's on cable, not turning the channel, it's fucking I'm locked in on Conair. I watched Conair in the Rock a couple months ago. I want to go back and like, that's awesome. Yeah, rewatch some of those old movies.

Gavin was telling me that he wants me, him, and TPG to get together to watch The Rock, the best Bond movie of all time. Yeah. It's fucking great. I've seen the last five minutes of so many movies in the last couple of years, because right before pro wrestling comes on TNT

or TBS or whatever, right before AEW comes on, they're ending a movie. And it's the one where it's like, I've seen the last five minutes of the accountant starring Ben Affleck, two dozen times at least. So I wouldn't call that my movie, but the last five minutes is up there, is pretty good. Does TBS still do that thing where they start things five minutes off the top of the hour?

No, sometimes, but not always. Like, AEW will do it sometimes where it's just like a cool callback where it's just, hey, we're gonna start at 6.05 on the Super Station. Yeah, yeah, yeah, real retro. And it's like, oh wow, it's like a real cool like throwback thing. And then the show starts and the theme song is Saturday Night's All Right for Fighting, which is really great. It's a cool Saturday Fight theme song what's your I was just

thinking about my movies and I pulled a couple and I was thinking I bet Gus can't name a single one of them it's hold on let me write these down and then let's see if you get okay okay all right now we have to make time yeah if while you're over there raise the AC a a bit. It's blowing like right on. Oh my God. Have Jeff do it. He's standing up. All right, Jeff, go. Just change it.

Oh, this is cool. Yeah, he's definitely, he's fucked. We're fucked. Raise it like two or three degrees. We're so fucked. There's just no way. The, for people who are listening, the vents, the AC vents in this room don't have any diffusers. So it's just like a column of cold air

that shoots out straight onto you. In our office too, where we do like, let's play stuff and everything, we have the same thing, there's no great event. Every time we record in here, or we do stuff in there, Gracie will sit directly under it without thinking 100% of the time. And it's like, how do you do that?

That's the worst. It's just a big% of the time. And it's like, how do you do that? It's the worst. It's just a big hole in the ceiling. Okay, are you ready to guess Jeff's movies? Yeah, I'm gonna do terrible at this. So, the thing about Jeff is, Jeff's a big David Lynch fan. Stop it right there. We're talking about comfort movies.

Or like the movies that you rewatch. I have not my favorite movies. I see, I see. I was gonna go with like straight story because I know you were crazy about that. Straight story is a great film. It's a great film. But yeah, if you're talking about comfort films,

oh man, it's gonna be off the wall. It's gonna be some real, no. I think it just doesn't love my career. I'm Mmm. No, I'm not I'm not gonna know I'm not gonna know them. It was Like my my stabs would be obviously like straight story then I was thinking like older His comfort movies are gonna be Kind of obscure B movies from the late 70s. I'm not familiar with I feel like is the problem here There's I think there's maybe one on there on I'm scared is but yeah, okay. Go for it. It was Billy Madison. Yep Tommy boy Yep, it's a mad mad mad mad mad mad world and invaders from Mars. Yep, and I should put Harold and

Harold and model You're about to say Harold and Kumar and I'm like no, I'm like no fucking chance. No dude, Harold and Ma, Harold and Ma is my favorite movie of all time. Yeah, easily. Harold and Ma and Empire probably. Tommy Boy and Billy Madison are classics. Empires, great. Is that the one about the radio station that the band takes over?

What's Empire? No, that's Airheads. Airheads, yeah. I'm talking about Empire Strikes Back. Oh, I thought you meant the movie Empire. I thought it was a movie Empire. I wasn't familiar with it. I was like, oh, what are you talking about?

The movie Empire, oh, Empire. I'm thinking of Empire Records. Empire Records I don't like. I like the Empire Strikes Back. I thought it was crazy that you liked Empire and I went, oh, that's pretty cool. No, Empire Records sucks. See, I knew it.

I'm like, that's insane. Cause there's like a gin blossom song in that and he's not going, it's like. It was my first wife's favorite movie. Really? It was on all the time. I fucking hated that. At the age. It was why I had to, it was on all the time. I fucking hated that movie. At the age that I was when it came out,

it made me feel very connected to what was going on in the 90s. When I watch it now, I'm very nostalgic for it, but everyone's dressed like a cartoon character of the 1990s. It was like, high fidelity was my empire record. So it was like the same kind of thing. Well, I got that out of. I can't watch high fidelity twice.

You watch it once and you're like, oh, I'm getting something out of this you watch again You do this guy just won't stop fucking oh it's super Protentious now Think about at the time I should I should have put a gross point blank out there is one of my good gross point blanks are great one That's a good one you said a high fidelity and that's a movie. I've seen a ton too. I have actually seen good movie I think the last time I saw it was at casino El Caminoino And it was like they put it on the TV at the bar is great. I can tell whose friendship meant more to who between the two Well the thing is I drag you and I forced you to watch all my movies over and over again

I don't think you could have forced me at that time To watch any of that stuff. There was no force to do anything. Uh-uh. It's impossible That's not It's not happening. No proof. We were also talking in the car on the way back from Barrett's, we got coffee from Barrett's. I don't know if we said that yet. Nope.

Dogshit day outside, by the way. Dogshit day. So we're back at the studio today. Yeah, because it was cold and rainy and just miserable. We were talking about Eagle Pass, the town I grew up in, because it's a small town on the border, but it's on the news every day now. I always see it because of migrants,

undocumented immigrants crossing, being detained there. And there's always, I feel like whenever they show it on the news, it's always like the same shot. It's like under the bridge where they have lines of people, where they're processing them all. And that's the bridge you and I walked over when I took you to Mexico. It's like right by the golf course.

Like all the time that those cameras are pointed at the migrants, if they just turn the camera on 180 degrees, there's a golf course right there. There's a story that we've told a million times, which we won't retell in the nostalgia podcast, clearly. Where the first time Gus took me to Mexico, we're walking across the bridge. And I'm like, so this is literally the river

that people like cross illegally. And Gus goes all day, all night. And he goes, yeah, they cross right over, there's a couple dudes right there and he pointed to me and there were people crossing the river at two in the afternoon on a Saturday. Yeah. It was insane. And you know, seeing all of this footage of the bridge, it made me think about something I hadn't thought about in a long time, which was when I was younger, it used to be that,

you know, there's a Native American tribe who lives out there in Eagle Pass, and it used to be that their houses and their reservation was under the bridge. And it was like the weirdest thing, yeah, it was like, and they had, they would, I was a kid, so I don't really know what was going on, I don't know why they were there.

It's just one of those things you take for granted as a kid. You don't question it. Well, it's the way the world worked when you discovered the world. Right. And they had these really shoddily made cardboard houses. It seemed like they had trash on there. I didn't know. I'm a kid, right? I didn't pay attention. I didn't question anything.

But probably when I was a teenager, probably when I was in, I don't know, like 91 or so, they moved them. They gave them a bigger piece of land away from the bridge, and they built a casino out there now And that's where their reservation is was the Kikapu tribe which we've been to you and Bernie's work once yeah And it's just so weird to me now to think about how Like they had the land under the bridge

It's just it's just so bizarre like where you see all those migrant stage now They you know that was all the the Kikapu reservation. It went from both sides of the bridge, and now it's like the park that Greg Abbott's taken over and won't let the federal agents onto. It's like this whole flash point, but that's just where the reservation was when I was a kid. I think it's because I tried to read a little bit into it. There's really not much information I could find, but I think that the Kikapu were allowed to cross between the United States and Mexico without documentation. Wow.

Yeah, because it was culturally significant to them. Like they had sites in Mexico and sites in the United States. So it's like they could go through between the two of them. So I think they put them there to make it as frictionless as possible. Or it's like they could just go to Mexico and then come back and like it wasn't a big deal. Except they were living under a fucking bridge. Except they were living under a bridge

and there was probably no plumbing or electricity. It was like really terrible conditions down there. Well, I mean, that's kind of a lot of the areas around the Gopas. Like I remember you took me to the Colonias down there. Well, I mean, that's kind of a lot of the areas around the Gopas. Like I remember you took me to the Colonias when we were there, which are like unincorporated neighborhoods

that don't have utilities. Yeah, right. But they're like streets and streets of houses, but without power necessarily or water hookups or sewer gas or anything. It's really bizarre. I don't know if it's still like that now. That's the way it was back then.

He never been down there a long time ago. This would have been the late 90s I guess. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, they would build whole subdivisions. So I'll get that. Or it's just like, it looks like a normal neighborhood, but there's no utilities, no service out here, which is just wild to think about. And where the casino was was part of that.

Where the casino is used to be like that. Like when they first built that casino There were no roads to get to it Like you would drive down the highway and then you'd pull off on a dirt road and you just like with no lights or anything You just kind of had to know which dirt roads to turn on and which dirt roads to take to get out there to the casino Presumably I think now it's got actually got a road and lights and signs But it was just like yeah, we're in the middle of nowhere in the dark Hook a hard right here and go down that dirt dirt road. When was the last time you went to Eagle Pass?

Last time I was there was probably 2018. We did that documentary for RT. Oh, so it was the yeah That's last time was down there. I gotta say dude Eagle Pass has got to be the coolest name for a place to grow up ever. It sounds awesome. It does. Eagle Pass. It's not. I went there, it's not. But I always thought like, what a great fucking name.

Is your, do you still have a lot of family in Eagle Pass? Yeah, I still got a good amount of family there. Yeah, I mean, I have a lot of family all over the border, but yes, quite a bit still in Eagle Pass. In Eagle Pass, though. Do you think you'll go back? I hope not. Oh, man. It's a different town now than it was back then.

It's probably double the size of when I grew up. It's probably double the size from when you went. Probably, yeah. It's totally different. I was reading a couple of last year, the year before, I was doing research for an episode of Black Box Down. And it's been a while, so I'm rusty on the details. But you know, the World War II aviator,

Doolittle, he headed up to Doolittle raids to do like the bombing on Japan. Maybe you don't know. If you're familiar with him, I wanna say that he lived in Eagle Pass for a while when he was like still doing his Flight training or like early on in his career That he like he trained in that area. There used to be I guess airfields out there back then I Remember reading that thing. Well, that's fucking way. I never knew that growing up as a kid

So growing up in a kid I assume I mean I shouldn't assume we've talked about this a million times But you hated growing up in the world. Yeah, I shouldn't assume, we've talked about this a million times, but you hated growing up in the US. It was the worst. I grew up in shitty Alabama. I mean, I moved around a lot, but most of what I remember was in shitty Alabama, where I hated being there. What is something when you look back on it, like that you do like about Eagle Pass? Like what's a good thing about Eagle Pass or a good memory of the place?

So in the moment, again, it is very akin to the Native Americans living under the moment, again, it is very akin to the Native Americans living under the bridge, right? Like you grow up there, that's just, you think that's just the way the world works. You think that the experiences you're having aren't necessarily unique, that everyone must grow up this way.

But I think something that was really interesting that I can look back on and say that that was really cool was like growing up in such close proximity to Mexico in a time pre 9-11 when going to another country was just like, like as a teenager without my parents I just like like, I'm gonna go to Mexico like walk across the bridge, you know, pay a quarter, walk over without a passport or anything. Yeah, that's right.

You just pop a quarter and go. It was like a little turnstile. You put like a going on the subway, you put a quarter in, unlock you go through do whatever you want to do fuck around in another country Then we like all right time to go home put put a dime in the Mexico side to come back to United States There's like a dude on the America like are you American citizen? Yep. All right. See you know I thought you know looking back like that's an unusual experience that was super cool and not even an unusual It's only been it's only unusual because of the last 10 years, right? Or 20 years.

Like it's the way the world worked up until 20 years ago. Like it's, it's unusual that it doesn't work the way it used to. Yeah. I think we were talking about it on maybe face, but Gracie are associate producers, 23, I think 22 or whatever. And she's like, I don't know what it is to not have the TSA. I don't know. But I talked to you about this because I remember pre TSA and all that stuff. And then the thing that you brought up was like, I don't know what it is to not have the TSA. I don't know, but I talked to you about this because I remember pre-TSA and all that stuff.

And then the thing that you brought up was like, yeah, there's like a world before the CIA. That's like a relatively new thing in the history of America or whatever. And it's just, it's an institution, just like the Department of Homeland Security, which is to me, a big, you know, it's a punchline thing. It's a new thing.

And it's not a new thing to someone like Grace, who she just graduated college. Right, the ATF is still new to me. Yeah, right. Isn't that crazy? Over a long enough period of time, it's like these institutions outlive the people who remember the time before.

And so these institutions become foundational to what this stuff is, the way that you're talking about, oh, pop a quarter in and go to Mexico and everything. That was like around like high school was like, oh yeah, we're going to Tijuana, like kids going to like Tijuana or whatever, and it's like you're 15 or 16, and you have a friend who's driving you,

and there was no, oh, I gotta bring my passport and my ID. It was just, hey, are you all Americans? Yeah, great. That's it, fucking nothing. Wild, wild. You know, talking about things that just came into existence. I was thinking about this also a couple of years ago. I was thinking about, I think maybe with all this news about going back to the moon,

I was thinking about the space race. Yeah, Japan just landed a module on the moon. Fifth country ever to land something on the moon. But I was thinking about satellites and they're in space and they're in space. I started wondering how did people deal with hurricanes before satellites? Right? Like we're talking not that long ago, like the 50s and 60s. You'd just be like in Florida or South Carolina and be like, huh, getting a little windy. Dude, when I was a kid growing up, they still in,

cause I grew up on the Gulf Coast, right? So I grew up in hurricane country, my entire childhood. And they would talk about, like this is like 1985, my family would sit around on the weekends or they'd get together with the people and talk about old hurricanes. Like it was like winning a championship. Like do you remember when we won the big game back in 73?

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I can remember like people flying into the eye of the storm and so that's probably they've been doing that at least since 80 Probably yeah, and I you know satellites proceed that a bit of course You know we're talking like 70, but I think we just were more hands-on back then yeah But I you know if you think about pre satellite they had to know something was there to fly a plane to it That's true, but I mean I think you probably get notifications from boats and yeah, maybe I guess that's true. You know Yeah, that's how, I mean, right? Yeah. Information still traveled.

Right? It was a lot slower. It wasn't in-state. Right? Like I could pop my fucking phone out right now and see probably a live satellite image of the entire Atlantic Pacific Ocean. You could find an app right now on your phone. I don't know that it exists, but I know that it exists.

That tracks all existing and potential hurricanes on Earth right now. Yeah, I'm sure. It's got to exist. Yeah. I used to be really, really, before I moved to Eagle Pass, I lived in Houston. I went to kindergarten actually down in the Gulf Coast. So I know what you're talking about a little bit with like all the hurricane stuff.

And when I was at age, hurricanes fascinated me. I don't know if you had this when you were a kid or where you lived, but like they would give kids like little hurricane plotter maps and you get like updates. You'd be like, oh, at this latitude and this longitude is the eye of the storm and you would like get updates like every 12

or 24 hours or whatever. And I would like track along with the hurricanes as they were coming to see like where was it going to hit or where was it going to go. Would you write the path in in Sharpie? Make a big circle. I don't remember that being the case, but I might have. I totally forgot about that.

That's like a recovered memory. Like we're sitting here right now talking about hurricanes and like all that old shit. Like, oh yeah, I used to do that when I was like six. I couldn't get away from him. I moved around so much as a kid, but it was like, except for the time I lived in Portland or just outside of Portland, I grew up in,

I lived in Alabama, like on the coast, and then Florida on the coast, and then Louisiana on the coast, like New on the coast like New Orleans like the most fucking Underwater City ever like Atlantis to and then back to Alabama So I just like I just could never escape that fuck of that hurricane zone my entire childhood I was the other day. I was watching this program about the city of Osaka in Japan and I didn't realize this that much like New Orleans a large portion of Osaka is Japan. And I didn't realize this, that much like New Orleans, a large portion of Osaka is below sea level. And they have this system of, I don't know what the

proper term is, I don't remember. They have this like system of like locks and devices that close whenever a storm is approaching to stop storm surge and any potential tsunamis to keep the city from flooding. But it but like a lot of that city is below sea level. Have you been to Osaka before? Yeah, yeah. So Osaka is awesome. Such a cool city. Really? Yeah. Is it your favorite city in Japan? Probably Osaka. More than Kyoto? Oh yeah. Well Kyoto's like, I don't know, Kyoto's like so... it leans into that touristy aspect quite a bit, right? It's all like temples and all of that. You're gonna run into a bunch of tourists.

Osaka is just like... And it's a much cooler city, I think. Like a much more modern. Doesn't lean as much on the temples and that stuff. Did you get a Hokkaido? I've not been a Hokkaido. I would love to visit Hokkaido. Okay. Maybe Milly's been there. I thought maybe you went too. Wow, that's cool. She was in Hokkaido. Her mom took her maybe Milly's been there. I was, I thought maybe you went too. Wow. That's, that's cool. She was in Hokkaido. She, her mom took her.

They went like a couple of years ago. Man, I would, yeah, I would love to visit Hokkaido. It seems so like, well, not untouched is the wrong word. It seems so outdoorsy. She said it was very cold. Yeah. And it looks cold as hell. Very, very cold. And she said there wasn't a lot going on. Yeah. She was probably on a mountain watching chainsaw carving. So, yeah. Yeah. I would love to, I would love to visit out there. They were been in Japan. Yeah, I took Millie to Tokyo for Thanksgiving Like four years ago. Oh, that's right. Yeah, we went for just a little bit had like the maybe the best trip of my life

Oh, really? Yeah, just just Millie and I she was like 1413 and it was just like a good time. It was good bonding trip. It was neither of us had ever done anything like it It was great. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, oh man talk about We're kind of all over the place How do we go from talking about satellites and hurricanes and the 60s talking about visiting Japan dude? Let me tell you we're like 30 minutes into this episode this thing flew Tell you what we've been talking about, but it's like all of it's just we're all over the place We're talking talking a lot about you go past

It's crazy what a weird experience grew up in San Diego. Yeah the whole time so you grew up in a place The you liked yeah I was always so jealous as a kid but like yeah wanted to leave. Like when I was a kid, I remember telling my parents in high school, like junior high high school, like I have to get out of San Diego. Like I can't, I have to go somewhere else. Like there's nothing, like what is this?

Because I didn't know the rest of the world, like all I knew was San Diego. So then I left and I went, oh, fuck. Yeah, you have to leave to appreciate it. Your parents are like, yeah, let this idiot leave for a bit. Something a friend's dad told us was like, you were born and raised and like grew up and have experiences in a place where people save all year

to go on vacation to. So like really don't lose sight of that. And that was, I was much older when he told us that. And I went, wish somebody, maybe when I was like 14 would have told, it's not like I want to listen, but like it would have stuck with me probably. I think that's why I appreciate and have rolled with Austin for as long as I have.

It's cause you, you have to put, I put so much work to get here, you know? And then you finally get to a fun place where it's actually nice to live and there's shit to do. Does it feel like the first place where you really liked living? Austin, Texas, and the reason I still live here is the, and I don't mean this to be insulting

to any place I've lived, I've lived a lot of places, and it has nothing to do with the people. I'm just talking about the location because people in my family get their feelings hurt. I'm not trying to do that. Seriously, I'm not. I am. Austin, Texas is the only place I've ever felt at home in my life.

It's the only place that when I first came here, I felt like I belong here. This feels like home. Growing up in Alabama and Florida a little bit and Louisiana, I felt like such an outcast and so not of the place. Like I just felt like I didn't fit in or didn't belong. Like I was the wrong puzzle piece for a puzzle and then it like it clicked in Austin and that's why I don't,

it's why it's gonna be hard to leave when I do leave. I feel like this is tangential to what Eric was saying. Do you think also that has something to do with the fact that this is the first time you, maybe the first time you had agency to make that decision on your own? Like you weren't being pulled somewhere for either through familial or the armly

or like these other obligations. I mean, maybe I did, you know, when I got out of the military, I was in New Jersey and I liked living in New Jersey. By the way, everybody talks shit about New Jersey. Like my whole life, everybody's talked shit about how ugly and gross New Jersey is. New Jersey's just fucking awesome.

Dude, I had the same experience. People always said that the first time I went there, I was probably like 28, 30. I was like, oh, New Jersey is fucking awesome. I had the same experience. People always said that the first time I went there, I was probably like 28, 30. I was like, oh, New Jersey's fucking rules. They call it the garden state for a reason. It's fucking beautiful. The beaches are about as nice as you're gonna get up there. The people are fine.

I never had issues with people in New Jersey. Food's pretty good. And you're 30 minutes away from New York City, which is like you're 30 minutes away from anything you could ever wanna do ever, you know, basically. I quite enjoyed living there and when I got out of the army, well, I've moved for a couple of personal reasons, but like I came back to Austin because it drew me

back to it, you know? It was like, so part of it is like being able to finally make that decision because, you know, up until 23 years old my life was controlled by other people entirely. But I couldn't moved anywhere. I wouldn't moved anywhere. I had nothing holding me back and this is the place. It's interesting to think about that. Like to be at that point in your life, it's been so long for both of us now to be at that point in your life where you're kind of just for both of us now, to be at that point in your life where you're kind of just starting out

and it doesn't, don't be like, where do I want to live? Like, where am I gonna sit down roots and try to make this work? Cause, you know, upending your life and moving, it's such a fucking big deal. Such a pain in the ass. It's so expensive. It takes so much time that you kind of like,

you're there for a while. Whether you like it or not, you're gonna have to be there. Best case scenario, if you hate it, you have to stick it out to get that momentum to be able to leave again. And it's true. And I really do think it had to do with the place.

Because I was at a point in my life when it would never be easier than it would be to move. Like what Gus was saying, like it's never gonna be easier to move than when you're 22, 23 years old and you have no ties to a world. But I had a good thing going in New Jersey. I had a great friend group.

I was working in, I was PA-ing for View of Ski movies and I was working my way, I was gonna work my way into that world. You know, I had a friend who was already doing commercials in New York City and was inviting me up there to PA and stuff. Although I learned pretty quickly I didn't want to do that. And then I was touring with that band, Catch-22, and they were becoming a really big deal, and I left all that to come to Austin. And after about eight months or so, we were good friends. I quit. I put in my notice at the tech support company, gave them a two-month notice, And then I started to figure out how to sell my house and get rid of everything to move back to New Jersey To go back because I felt a bit of a pull to go back there and the band actually came to me and they said

If we taught you how to play guitar, we think you could be in the band in a year Do you want to be in catch me too? And I was like absolutely. I don't know if I've ever told this story. But they were having band member issues and we just were real good friends. And I was like, that's it. I'm gonna leave Austin. I'm gonna sell everything I own, move back to New Jersey, turn my life into just a one track mission to learn guitar

so I can be in this fucking rock and roll band. And then after I made the decision and after I put in my notice and after I started to figure out how to sell my house, I just realized that I was leaving, I was trying to escape a bad marriage. And I was about to fuck up everything that I had done again. And I just decided that Austin was too important

to give up on just yet, and so I pulled it all back around. And I really, but I really do, the whole point of all that is just saying that I just think Austin was a special place. It was a special place at that time, and it had less to do with me and more to do with it, I think. Have you ever tried to play guitar since then? I can't play guitar then.

No, I don't know that I would have been able to learn. It could have been a huge fucking failure. I'm not musically talented. That's why I asked. You're one of the, I'm not very musical either. I'm worse than, I'm one of the least musically inclined people. I recognize that.

Do you just not have like rhythm or what? No, and I'm tone deaf and I don't have gut, listen. It was a whole thing. Gus's family put me through it. What? My sister specifically. What happened? She sat me down with a piano and decided that I wasn't tone deaf and she was gonna help me.

And then she gave up pretty quickly. She gave up pretty fucking quickly. That- that's so mean. Yeah. Yeah. It was funny though, it was really funny Play this thing. Oh fuck Yeah, we got 15 minutes later. It was like I get it you never mind That's so funny. Let's not waste our lives on that. Oh my god, but that's that's part of the

I mean, that's part of why I want to do a podcast about this fucking place because I've Gus and I have been fortunate to travel all over the world together and apart and I've just never felt Right like I do when I'm here, you know Just a cool place I get it even with all the wild changes because the city is so fucking dramatically crazy than it was I was I was thinking The other day I was driving through downtown and I was looking at all the big buildings and actually I was driving down 35 and I was looking at the buildings and I could see the UT tower and I thought, you know, back when in like 2000, 2001 I lived

in those apartments over there by Barton Creek Mall and when the Gables, yeah. Okay. And when September 11th happened, I remember my alarm clock went off. It was like a local radio station and you know, one of the DJs talking about how a plane had flown into the tower and you're like, I was sleepy. So I just turned the, the radio off right away. I thought, oh, that's weird. And I went out to my balcony and I looked because I could see the UT tower for my balcony. And I looked, I was like, Hey, what are you talking about? The tower's fine. It's right there. So then, because why would the local news be talking

about that? That's all I heard a plane flew into the tower. And I wonder now if I could still even see the, if whoever lives in that apartment now couldn't even still see the UT tower from that location, because I bet probably not. I can't imagine. There's been 35 buildings built between, right? Like the skyline has changed so dramatically like it was easy I stepped on my balcony. It was like up. There's the UT tower towers fine We went back in like wonder why my CNN wasn't loading like the internet was broken. No websites were loading drove to work

Fucking it was fucking crazy day. That's wild. Yeah Talking about Austin and all the places that sort of changed in everything. I'm how different is the weather now compared to, I don't know, 20 years ago or whenever you guys like first moved here because the summers are insanely hot and the winters are insanely cold. And I don't know what I imagine it wasn't always like that. So summers have gotten worse summers have gotten worse I will say this I was just having this I was having this argument with my wife and some friends of ours The other day and I was I was basically bitching that I've owned homes in Austin for 25 years now or something and the last three years

I've had to put significant work into covering my plants during freezes and I never did that the first like 22 years I owned homes. And they were contending that I just wasn't paying attention to my plants back then. But I don't think that was it. I think it's just worse. It just, it didn't freeze for this much, this long. It snowed a couple of times.

I have pictures of me building snowmen in my old front yard in Austin, but it snowed for a morning and then by noon, it was 60 degrees. We never had this level of sustained freezing. If it froze, it froze overnight. If it froze overnight, half of Austin's trees weren't falling over, it wasn't like this.

And the reason that the trees are so brittle is because it's so goddamn hot in the summer now that they don't get enough fucking moisture and they get weakened and then when the freeze comes and all the rain hits it and then they get too heavy and they crack and they break and it's a fucking, it's a spiral to the bottom of our ecosystem here. We're in a rough place.

We're also in a sustained drought. We're in a sustained drought for a very long time. It's not getting any better. It's definitely getting worse. And it was not like this. 2012 was hot. I remember that. It was a hot, shitty year.

Do you remember 2012? It was like 70 days over a hundred or something. It's been like that every year for the past five years. And that's why I asked. Because before I moved here, talking with you guys, that was the thing you guys would point to the one winter where it snowed. it's like there's like a video Think Jordan or Barbara posted of them like running around and it's snowing or something

It's like 2011 or something like that and then you guys would talk about 2012 when it was just like dude over a hundred for 70 days Yeah, and then I never heard anything else about the way it was just like those are like the two stickouts Mm-hmm, and since I moved here it's been every summer and every winter and I'm just waiting for it to not be anymore but I don't know that there is that like I just don't know it it's gotten so bad and part as part of what's driving me to look outside of the state other than property taxes which is is the big reason for the worst. That's definitely the biggest reason. But it's just like one of the benefits of Austin,

I like, and I realize Michigan is the opposite of this, but I like being able to be outside most of the year. And the last two summers have been so prohibitively hot. It's too, when you live in a place that it's legitimately too hot to jet ski in, it's too fucking hot. Like we started to get into jet skiing and all that water sports shit to beat the heat

because it was getting too goddamn hot. And then it got too hot for that. And that's just sucks. It's like you can't, I like tougher, more leathery people than me don't have a problem with it, but I just can't enjoy Austin when it's over 105 degrees every day for fucking three weeks in a row.

It's just impossible. Three weeks, I wish. Well, then you get a dad to 102, and then it goes back up to 107 or whatever. But you know what I mean? It's just like, you just can't go outside and enjoy outside, and that's most of what Austin, Austin has booze, barbecue, and outdoors.

I remember late 90s, early 2000s, like it was always high 90s. Like every now and then you'd be like, oh, it's a hundred or it's a little over a hundred. But then now it's just like, it's three months, four months out of the year. It's just over a hundred degrees. I mean, everything in Austin is indoor, outdoor.

Everything, every bar, every restaurant, everything is just like, well, here's our sort of semi-air conditioned indoor bar food area. And now here, the rest of it is all outdoor. So go outside and it's like, it's July. So go home, you got it. That's a holdover from when it wasn't as bad.

And that's why I'm asking, because I would imagine that all of that stuff is just thinking from the 90s, the 2000s, when it wasn't 106 every day. I would say, dude, that's a really interesting point. I would say probably half the seats in Austin at establishments are outside. Yes, yeah. And that was part of the joy, like sitting in the back porch

on Rio Rita, or at Rio Rita on a Saturday at three in the afternoon, just like sharing a pitcher of beer when it's hot, but not fucking, not so hot you can't sit down on metal. You know, was like, it was the fucking, it was the reason it lived in Austin. I miss those days. I obviously have this drink of beer too, but I don't know, it's a big part of it.

Hell yeah. We're getting on in time, but I want to talk about, we went to Barrett's Coffee today. Want to talk about Barrett's a little bit, what you guys got and what you thought of the coffee. That was probably the least crowded I we went to Barrett's Coffee today. I want to talk about Barrett's a little bit, what you guys got and what you thought of the coffee. That was probably the least crowded I've ever seen Barrett's. Yes, we were able to park. Parked right up front.

Parked right up front, front row, center, beautiful. When we left, someone was waiting for our spot. Oh, absolutely. It was raining so hard. It's just been raining the last day. It's supposed to rain like the next couple days. And it was a nice little get inside. It was raining outside and everyone was drinking coffee.

And it was a cool, I just, I love. That place is so cozy. That place is awesome. I love Barrett's. I love that place. And then also someone just ran out of coffee at home. So it was very exciting to buy all their coffee so they don't have to go another time.

Who? I don't know. It was so crazy. And then also that made all the drinks free. That's true. Plus they got a cool logo. They got that armadillo. They got the little armadillo.

Very cool. I took a picture of them in everything. Oh, okay, good. Barrett's is my go-to coffee spot in Austin. For me, it's A number one. It's the spot where I get my beans. They're a roaster. I have a bucket tub thing that I get like a pound of beans

in and then I buy a couple other bags just to try some stuff. But what did you guys think of what you got? Barrett's a solid man, it's so fucking good. I mean, this is one of the, probably one of the best Americannas I've had anywhere. And that's saying a lot, cause they do it like almost like the traditional way.

It's a tiny little cup. It is, it's really, really small. I feel like it makes me feel like a giant holding this thing, but it's so fucking good. I love Barrett's. They provide the beans for Double Trouble, which has become my coffee shop of choice, in the winter at least,

when Little Fields is too cold to sit outside at. The only problem I have with Barrett's is it's difficult to park there. I had to run there, I was going every day to work to try to write. It's where, if I put it in face terms, I was telling you guys earlier, it's where I wrote all the face smut

with sitting at a Barrett's. It's like, I don't know, it's the highest I can give a coffee that we've, like 10, nine, eight, something like that. It's the same as whatever I gave, Double Trouble. It's fucking awesome. Oh, it's the same bean. Double Trouble.

Also, you got the cool sticker of the goose or whatever. The goose with the I patch he's so cool yeah what do you what would you give it I mean I don't remember what I gave double trouble but yeah it would be com bro it's like a 995 somewhere around there really good 9.8 yeah I still think like all gimmicks was probably better but I don't remember it's been a while we've been there and you can't I can't go there again right now for, for comparison. How does it compare to disnuda for you? Oh man. I would,

I would want to try them side by side. I think disnuda, I remember this new being better. Um, but this is also, I'm that's, that's no knock on this. Sure. This is an excellent cup of coffee. I give it a 10. This is, this is what I get. This is the, this is the spot for me. And I was excited to do this today because again, I ran out of beans. So filling up on the Chiapas and then getting, I always just get this bucket that you guys thought

was a tip jar full of the Chiapas and then try a couple different bags. So I'm very excited to taste the flavor notes of dark chocolate and strawberry jam in one of them. And I don't remember what the other one was. Very, very exciting. You got a mustache Snoopy sticker on there. Dude, I got stickers all over this fucking thing.

That's a stinging meal to the warrior. We got fucking puffy coat Snoopy on this thing. My friends at ProWrestler, I put his sticker on there. Here's Sean from Mega64. That's Sean? Yeah, it's a gross drawing of Sean from a GDC video that they did. Oh.

GDC. Yeah. Man, game developers conference is really something. I've got a Sean doll at home that they used to sell. And my dog loves that Sean doll. Yeah, oh, it's awesome, right? It's great. They did all the crazy, everyone's like really goth looking

and everything and then Sean in a penguin t-shirt. It's great, it's really fantastic. That's Barrett's, to me, this is a number one. And it's a good way to go out on another run of eight episodes. We're gonna have two weeks, well, some of us will have two weeks off, and then others of us will record. I'm gonna be heavy in website development over the next two weeks. Oh, that's good.

Also, people, so tweet it out, hey, go sign the guest book, and then also we talked about it in the last episode and everything. So people are going for it right now. They're attacking our waste of internet space Keep checking back. You never know when Gus is gonna update it with new movie trailers Maybe he'll put a trailer for a lot of movies. Maybe he'll put a trailer for his four movies Oh Rushmore run. Well, Lauren. I your your notes are really helpful to me Oh, yeah, I use them when I go back to put on there We were kind of like this last week so I put a before and after picture of uptown sports club.

Oh, nice. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's really nice. Yeah. Um, but I would recommend Barrett's. If you are coming to Austin, checking it out, recommend Barrett's. It to me is the, uh, the premier coffee spot for, um, what we're doing here for

ANMA, but speaking of ANMA, you can send us an anarchy question, our slash ANMA podcast, or you can at ANMA podcast on Twitter and on Instagram, send us a question there. If you like, here's something that is- I don't know why the website wouldn't work without the www. I don't know, it's a picture of you when I go to it,

and then you go to www, and then it's the other thing. Weird. Yeah, talk to Torgard, I don't know. He's like a little hacker. He's a little to tour guard. I don't know he fuck. He's like he's like a little hacker He like lives in cyberspace yeah, he lives in cyberspace in Norway. I think is Well with an in like tour guard you've got a lot you have to yeah is Is would you consider bears to be in North Austin?

I consider that central because it's still south of it's close to 1 a3 But still south of one so you would consider anything south of one 83 to be central? Yes. I think a lot of people wouldn't. I think a lot of people would say anything over 50. It's street is north. I'm with you. 50, okay.

I think so. Yeah. I agree. I'm with you. I think because North Loop is called North Loop. You know what I mean? Right. But it is, I think the best coffee you can get

in North Austin, at least until all gimmicks reopens. But fingers crossed. So check out Barrett's and then Try parking at the parking lot at the structure to go to a 99 Rancher That's a whole other fucking they're opening a Starbucks We gotta go get ranch 616 biscuits. It's all that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Hey again, you can send us a question, but this is actually shout out I want to give this is from Mendoza s24 on r slash And the podcast my short trip to Austin

Visiting some family in San Antonio for the week and spent two days in Austin, tried to hit up as many NFTs as I could. Here's what I got. Breakfast tacos from Vera Cruz, very good. Ice coffee from Desnudo, great, and they were super friendly. Told them the podcast sent me, they don't know what the fuck is.

Coffee from Shepak, good, not my favorite. And a burger from Casino El Camino, such a cool spot. Burger was good. More of a multiple thin patty over one thick patty and they cooked the thick ones really well. Chili cheese fries were awesome. Also went to Book People, which Jeff recommended. Not in an FT, but I went to Homeslice,

which I've mentioned on the podcast. Till next time, Austin. And posted a couple of pictures. Wow, that's awesome. That's awesome. That's awesome. That reminds me, I discovered this past weekend that Hilbert's also has chili cheese fries. Oh, that's what he was telling us in the car

on the fucking way. And you can get them, you can ask him to put onions and jalapenos on it, and those are the best chili cheese fries I've ever had in my life. They are phenomenal. Any new restaurants, any babe into it or anything for relief? New restaurants.

Have I gone to anything? I don't think so. I've been going to that Korean barbecue place up by H Mart the honey pig. That place is really good. It's not just I mean they have the barbecue of course that's what they're known for but they have other like soups and stews that are also really good. Two more quick ones before we wrap this up and then we got two weeks of me and Jeff doing Music shit probably probably off so much music talk. I said I probably did too. I sent you a Spotify link to a band did you yeah? Yeah that I think that I don't know if you would dig But I think you would oh was it the Bobby Lee's yeah, I've been

Bouncing around them for a while. I need to sit down and listen to them that song drive Sounds like it would be for the soundtrack if If they were still making need for speed, that is the fucking song that they would use. This is from Mike underscore fellow 23 on Instagram. Are there any photos of Jeff on stage with catch 22? Oh, what a timely question. So I wanted to bring it up. You talking about it today.

I don't know. I mean, I have a ton of photos from the tour. I don't know. I was the photographer. ton of photos from the tour. I don't know. I was the photographer so somebody else would have had to have taken a photo in the crowd of me on stage maybe. That's the problem of being the photographer. Like I encountered that a lot with like early rooster cheats. I was always taking photos around like the spare bedroom and stuff so I'm not in very many photos because cameras were in as ubiquitous. That's what sucks. Being the photographer. Did you ever

Get left out of stuff because of that because you weren't the fucking journal got left out. Oh Fucking pick that Didn't realize that was a thing yeah, I'll bring on the mega 64 You ever get left out of stuff do you want to he'll tell you every single time he was left out of shit. Wall Street Journal did an article about Rooster Teeth and they sent a reporter down here to like come stay with us for a few days. I think I think Clive no, no, no Clive wrote the the wired article. Okay. So the dude shows up and I was like, hey, I'll pick you up at the airport. So I went down to the airport, picked him up, drove him down to Buda, hung out with us for a few days and whatever took off. Then

like a couple weeks later, the article appears on the front page of the Wall Street Journal. No mention of me. Despite the fact at the time, there are only four of us in the apartment in Buda. It was like, dude, Bernie Matt, five of us. It was Bernie, Matt, Jeff, Jason and me. That's it. That's all he met the entire time. And I was not mentioned at all. Jason was only mentioned as an unemployed guitarist, which he was really unhappy about. Oh my God. And there is a whole scene in that, I think it's easy to see that one of the Wired article,

but there's a whole scene in that where he writes about how I walk outside onto the balcony and take a long drag from my cigarette and then wax poetically about something. Never smoked a cigarette in my fucking life. Not only have I never smoked a cigarette in my life, nobody in that building smoked. Bernie doesn't smoke, Matt doesn't smoke,

Jeff doesn't smoke, Gus doesn't smoke, Jason doesn't smoke, no idea where the fuck that came from. These people, journalists as one, as I used to be one, just invent shit. Just make shit up and leave people and very important people out I picked him up at the airport. I was there the entire time along with everyone else Guarantee you Gus tried harder to fucking entertain that dude and make light and just like keep a conversation rolling

Well than anybody else did of course fuck the lawsuit journal Yeah, there you go make a 64 a similar thing where it was Derek was the creative one and Rocco was the brains and Sean was writing the coattails and it's like there's three people. There's three people. You couldn't find a name. Like what? You're getting to give it like the spirit lord or something.

What the fuck? And he's the heart. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like put it in the Jesus Christ. But that was a long time ago. So is Wall Street Journal thing. Hey, here's our last question. This is from Atomic Murphy on Instagram,

talking about the early days of Rooster Teeth. Since VHS stopped being produced after season one of RBB, was there ever a thought to produce a season one VHS? Did you guys ever think, do we gotta put this thing on VHS? I don't think we ever talked about that. I can't imagine. I can't imagine. No, VHS died in 2006 officially.

We started in 2003. We made the first DVD in 2004, into 2003 or early 2004. It was, VHS was well on its way out at that point. Right. I don't think it ever... We used a VCR in our production pipeline back then. Because it had that S video input on the front. I don't think it was we used a VCR in our production pipeline back then That that s video we put on the front. I don't think it was ever even a conversation. No, no I don't think we never even thought about it. Yeah, I don't think it yeah even as a joke

I don't know that we considered it. It'd be funny to do it now though. Well now we should do it We could put a foot we could put Like get with us Fucking hit the record button on a VCR and manually make VHS tapes So crazy the Gus bootlegs Gus bootlegs. I like it. Maybe 64 has been selling VHS's and it's fucking insane. Do they sell well? You know as much as a VHS for a collectible thing is gonna sell Well, you never know I didn't think our fucking episode 16 on a vinyl record would sell well

What the fuck Jesus, it's like, oh, we're gonna do it again It's like are we I don't fucking know no, we're not gonna do it again. We've done it twice. That's enough That's I like it was enough at once, but I know you did I think that sometimes people try to get creative with packaging and with Media I don't remember this but when the girl with the dragon tattoo came out on DVD They made the disc look like it was a DVD-R and it was like written in Sharpie and people would buy it and then try to return it to the store saying that they didn't have the movie,

that someone had swapped it with a fake disc. That's fucking great. That constantly explained like, no, that's the movie. That's the look it's supposed to have. Dude, that's so cool. That's really funny. That's fucking awesome. That's so stupid.

I think that's great. I think that's great. That'll do it for this season, this little run of ANMA. We did it. Another eight episodes, bang. Can you believe how fast they went? I really can.

I feel like we just started. It does feel like we just started. This one flew. I might have a date locked in for our lawyer. Oh yeah, shit. Oh, okay, hell yeah. So I'll let you guys know. I've been distracted with web development.

Haven't been my super cut yet. I've been deep in HTML. So we will have a tournament. We'll let you guys know the date. I'm excited for it, so we'll figure that out. But r slash annima podcast, the subreddit we don't run, at annima podcast podcast Twitter on Instagram Next week in the week after you'll get myself and Jeff figuring it out. I got an idea. Oh, I love it

But in the meantime anything go go to www.anarchymeanything.com You got to put the ww Fix it. I don't know what's coming. It's me. It's it be a cashier. Well, I'll figure it out. I'll take a look. Well, go check out the website. Go see what's going on. Oh, I know what it is. Okay, I'll fix it. There you go. Right.

He knows what it is. Yep. Any parting words, final thoughts for the folks that are singing at home? Don't steal our VHS idea. You can have our VHS idea. Big money. No whammy. Stop.