ANMA - Holdout Neighborhoods

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

Good morning, Gus! We're at Coffee People in Book People which sounds weirder than it is. This is an Austin mainstay but does the coffee hold up? Geoff and Gus talk about Coffee update, eradicating deer, Jason knew everyone, Lance Armstrong, acquaintanceship bracelets, Ideacity, Sandwiches & iMacs. New shirts over at http://store.roosterteeth.com  Sponsored by Shady Rays http://shadyrays.com and use code ANMA and Henson Shaving http://hensonshaving.com/ANMA and use code ANMA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Okay, last episode, we're at a cosmic coffee. Don't forget about that one. We're outside, very loud. Lots of pumpkins, don't know that. I feel like we're really close to it still. Yeah, yeah. It's so big that no matter where you are and how close to it, you're close to it.

I want to talk about cosmic coffee. Oh, you said you had an update. I have an update. All right, so last time we talked about how nothing works right anymore, outstubbering each other, audio texture overload, smash mouth, and our home away from home,

but that was all previously, so this is this time. That's funny, whatever so does this. 64 technically. Good morning, guys. All right. Yes, it is. It is. That's it, my own joke, and nice.

[♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Last time we were talking about out-stubbering each other, That's my own joke now. Nice. Last time we were talking about outstubbering each other, this morning, what we were getting coffee, we were talking about outmeaning each other back in the day. Cosmic, I wanted to give my Cosmic Coffee update. I was so impressed by that place. This just in. I was so impressed by that place,

the size and the scope of it, and how nice and how clearly expensive it is. I'm with money. I mean millions of dollars they put into a coffee shop. So I wanted to take Emily over the weekend so that that should be similarly kind of blown away. And we went different vibe on the weekends. What does that mean?

I just like we walked up, there was a door person, they weren't checking IDs and they're like, are you here to drink alcohol or like no, just like all right, you can go in. We're giving wrist bands at like 10 a.m. on a Saturday. Yeah, or on a Sunday, yeah. And it was just, no, it was just way more crowded, weekend crowd, music might have been louder somehow

than when we were there. And just the vibe from the outset, I was like, I can tell I don't like this as much as we did. Then we ate tacos from that taco place. First off, we were all very excited when we sat down under table because it was a QR code where you can order stuff. You can order drinks, not tacos.

So I assumed that if you could order anything, you could order the food there too. So we went all the way upstairs, found, there was only one QR code on one of the tables, finally found that sat down, ordered, went to order the food, there was like, no, you can't do that. so we had to go downstairs or do that I don't know it's weird different different setups

I guess cuz we're in different buildings all the same business all the same business The talk and this is a warning. I still think the place is beautiful and gorgeous and the coffee was pretty good they have They did a run on pumpkins that I I would we were trying to figure out what they're gonna They're flowing with the pumpkins. They Emily swears. They had over run on pumpkins that I, I, I, we were trying to figure out what they're gonna fill with them. They, Emily swears they had over a thousand pumpkins. I think they probably had like six or so. They're a lot of pumpkins. They're a lot.

They always tell us in Texas, if you don't throw your pumpkin away, throw it out in the woods for a deer, you get it. That's a, they're gonna, that's a lot of deer food, dude. There's gonna be some fucking, there's gonna be some, uh, cul-de-sac somewhere. There's a lot of deer. Overrun- The sack overrun with deer again. Overrun with deer is gonna have a half-busted sofa and 10,000 pumpkins piled up on top of it. Somewhere in East Austin.

Don't tell Daryl Hall. The tacos. Daryl Hall hates deer, by the way. I don't know if you know that. No, why? Yeah, that's what he was referencing. Daryl Hall got Lyme disease. He got a deer tick.

Yeah, from a deer tick. Like in the 90s or early 2000s. He wants to like eradicate all deer. He wants to, he has a mission to destroy, wipe deer off the face of the earth. It's really interesting. Yeah, he's really aggressive about that one thing. I grew up in Southern California,

so I knew about Lyme disease. It was not something that anyone that I knew ever got. It was, we're not living in like the fucking woods and like the bramble. I was I knew about Lyme disease. It was not something that anyone that I knew ever got. It was, we're not living in like the fucking woods and like the bramble. I was so scared of Lyme disease as a kid. I still don't know what it is, but I'm so afraid of it. I think you only get it if you go on the PCH or the Appalachian Trail.

Yeah, that's what the only thing I only hear of people contracting. You get it. I think you can get it here in Central Texas as well. Thanks, dude. What is it, dude? It's a lot more rural. I don't remember everything. I think the one weird side effect I can remember is like, it here in Central Texas as well. Thanks, dude. What does it do? It puts a lot more room. I don't remember everything.

I think the one weird side effect I can remember is like, it makes you allergic to red meat. Like you can't eat beef or something. Wow, really? I think it makes you real tired too. Yeah. I think the lead singer of Bikini Kill, Kathleen Hannah, she had it for a long time.

That's why she stopped making music. What do you mean, had it for like, you can get over the line? I think you can get better. Like she recut, there's a documentary about her and it talked about how like, she had like a 10-year journey Journey to get healthy enough to start playing music 11 disease speaking of bikini kill is a great vegan bakery in town calls zucchini kill

And there were some zucchini kill stuff Yeah, zucchini because zucchini kills have been around for a long time. You would know better than I They have a first as they're like delivery vehicle and it says to kill inside But I feel like they are currently taking over Austin because I see them in every Yeah, they're everywhere. Yeah, they really are there. It's too to be expanding alive. Oh, so what happened with the tacos? Some of the worst tacos. Oh, no, I've ever experienced it in life. I got a steak like a steak taco and then to Alpastor tacos, so not breakfast tacos, we're talking like lunch tacos. And they were so saucy.

I don't even know how to describe it. They were oily and greasy and they were so saucy that the tortilla got wet and goopy and it was just, the steak was okay, but it was just like, Emily and I both like didn't finish him. And it's like, it's really hard in Texas to fuck up a taco, you know what I mean? And I was just real bummed out. I was real bummed that my second experience of that place was nowhere near as good as

you are rescinding your and my recommendation here. Is this an official I'm putting on notice. I'm putting on notice. I think here's my here's my recommendation. It's a weekday visit. Okay. It's a weekday visit. Go with a full tummy and enjoy the drinks. Or go after 5pm when it's a bar because all their alcoholic drinks looked really interesting. Yeah. I was looking at the board for a while and it seems like maybe that's where they really excel. But anyway, you don't eat the food there.

No cosmic taco. Wow, that's crazy. I can't believe that how different it was you going when we just went on like a cold Tuesday or whatever. I can't believe they were checking IDs like a 10 in the morning. I guess it was so different inside than it was outside. When we went in there to order coffee, that was a fucking bar. That was a bar. That was a bar. That was a bar that also had coffee. That this is a bookstore that also has coffee.

Have you said where we are? We are, no, that's your job. We're at a, we're at the coffee shop inside of book people, which is called Coffee People. Book people's like local bookstore, really big, it's at 6th and Lamar. So, I mean, it doesn't really surprise me that a cosmic coffee is doing that, but also like, ah, this is just, I don't know how to describe it. It's just like something

about the vibe was different. Like, you know how, like, it's one of those places where like all the women looked like hand solo. You know what that means? They got the hug boots and the, they got the hug boots and a white shirt and a sleeveless vest and like a, yeah. Yeah. I thought maybe it was the haircut. And they're all frozen in carbonite. You know, they're all really hot and soulful when you get over here. I walked in every moment and said I love you and they all just said I know.

But and like everybody had the exact same dog and the exact same stroller. It was very steppford feeling and just like loud and crowded and... So no more punks and dead-in vests. It was all like yuppie dogs. Yeah, it was yuppie dogs. Do you think it felt like less like Austin and more like a big city?

Like what you're describing sounds like when I go to a like city city. Yeah, and I guess that's what that place is for. And I also had a very long talk about how this is Austin. Yeah. Yeah, and I guess that's what that place is for. And Emily and I also had a very long talk about how this is Austin. Yeah. And we shouldn't complain about it because this is what it is. This is, you know, just because Austin changed

and we didn't, isn't Austin's fault. Isn't that this podcast? Yeah, we're you doing an animal without me. But, it's just trying to have perspective and be like, I shouldn't be annoyed at the world changing around me If I don't if I'm not willing to change with it, you know, it's like it's like a world's fucking fall I'm not trying to be negative more than anything. I'm just trying to say I think it's a better weekday place than a week in place Unless you're looking to drink and booze and do that and then I can't I can't give any insights into that because I don't do that anymore

Yeah, but and just avoid the tacos Yeah, that's still a gorgeous place. Wild, yeah, great place. Seems like a cool, again, I think I said it when we were there. Seems like a cool place to take someone in from out of town. Take a, but don't give them a taco. But not for a taco. Don't, don't, you give that person a taco

and tell them this is what tacos are about. They're gonna go home to their town, they're gonna go like, I don't know what the fuss is. I think maybe go eat somewhere else and then go get a drink there. That's what that, bring your drink to the top. Bring your drink to the top. Yeah, yeah.

Oh yeah, that's a great update. Yeah, that's so high on you giving an update today. I'm just saying. I was just like, I don't know. You were like really excited about it. I was like, I don't know. I just don't, I don't often have an update. I thought it was a great update.

Yeah, I was a good update. No, I'm glad to get it. I said great update. No, it was good great update. Yeah, I have a good update. No, I'm glad to get it. I said great update. No, it was good. Okay. I'm gonna fight you on this side. Should we talk about- Should we talk about this place?

So we're, yeah, we're at book people. I don't even know how long book people has been here. I feel like- Well, I came to Austin in 1994 and book people was here in this location. I would consider this kind of like a heart of Austin. Yeah, for sure. It's like six in the bar.

There's like six in the bar. You've got people here, you've got waterloo records like Roddacross Street over here. 24 diner, which is kind of becoming a place. Yeah, like a Austin establishment. What was that, a G&M, Mr. Blair? G&M used to be over there. It's Garbo's now.

Yeah. Where that Rido Sliders was at night, I think we talked about that before. Yeah. And the whole foods used to be over there. It's Garbo's now. Yeah. That's where that Rido Sliders was at night. I think we talked about that before. Yeah. And the Whole Foods used to be here, where anthropology and REIR. Really? Yeah, and where the Whole Foods is now across the street. They built that building.

Yeah, that's like their corporate headquarters. That used to be a used car lot. And I guess Whole Foods bought it. They got rid of the car lot and they built their headquarters there. And then they moved out the Whole Foods from here over there. That's why the Whole Foods at the Arboretum reminds me a lot of what the Whole Foods here used to be like. You know what I miss about that Carlotte?

That giant wall that had the Texas flag painted on it? Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know. It just felt so right. And anytime I go to Waterloo, I'd always see it. It was like larger than life. And it felt weird when they bulldozed it and built the whole to. I remember that Carlotte being weird

because it was like, there was a giant hill right there. Yeah. Yeah. Like it kind of, it gets hidden with the building now, but you kind of realize that when you go in on street level from the Lamar side, but you leave like at the underground garage level

here just on the east side. That's a good auto texture going on here. Nice. I didn't even remember when that was. What was that like 2006? Yeah, it was early. It might have been a little earlier than that. To that early 2004. Yeah, we would every, you know, our office used to be over. That guy's riding a lawnmower on the street. He's got to come get some coffee. He's got to get from point A to point B. Our office

used to be over here at seventh in Congress, which is not super close to here, but it's walkable. And every now and then for lunch, when our office was here, Jeff and I would walk over here to the Whole Foods, because they've got a bunch of different, I don't wanna say, like restaurants, food, and tablets, and tablets. They've got little mini restaurants in there. Inside, yeah, and we could go around,

you could just show up and be like, I don't know what I want necessarily, but I'm gonna walk into the Whole Foods and they're gonna have a bunch of stuff, and I'll find something to eat. There's like a pizza place, there's a raw food bar, there's a smoothie place, there's a barbecue restaurant,

there used to be a sushi restaurant, I think that's gone. There wasn't a little Italian restaurant where people would like get a bottle of wine from Whole Foods and then go there and they would uncork it for you and you would eat. A lot of that. They changed a lot of that. They're like sandwiches and shit now.

They should have the barbecue place in the back. And like, yeah, like some of the more like, like POS ordering systems, like iPads where you like put your order on yourself instead of like going up to a counter and- Good sound, Barbara. Good sound, really extensive. So yeah, we would come down here every now and then

and like whenever we had a little more time for lunch, just like I was like, what, like a 10, 15 minute walk to get here from the office and we'd have to walk back. Yeah. And then we talked about the dillow before, you know, if we'd get lucky, we'd go down to six street and we just hop on the dillow and it would take us all the way here to Lamar

and we'd just walk right in. Or if we were really lucky, sometimes we would take it up to Nows. Oh yeah, we did take it to Nows a few times. Yeah. That's over on Westlis. Well, it's gone now. Well, it's gone now, but yeah.

It's a little west of here. I do have banana split bowls that I bought from Nows when they went out of business. I went and did their, I think we mentioned this before when we talked about NALs, but the memory in my mind of NALs that I have, any time I went there, was every straw they ever gave me tasted like chlorox. What?

So I felt like they were constantly wiping the counter down with bleach, and then they would put your water down or whatever, and then put your straw down, and it would instantly absorb all the bleach or the cleaner that they had. And it's like, so you take your first drink and it's like, hmm, that's a straight cleaner. What I remember about now is the most,

other than just absolutely loving the food and the feeling of sitting in a 1940s diner that's unchanged, is that the service was always terrible and that every time we went there with Jason, he ran into somebody he knew. Oh, absolutely. Every single time. And it wasn't always terrible. And that every time we went there with Jason, he ran into somebody he knew every single time. And it was like always kids. It was like somebody's dad or who, you know what I mean? And he's I was felt like does Jason know everybody in this city? He's lost everybody. He really does. And he, he also is, well, I don't know about

anymore, but back then, I think we talked about this too before. He also like knew every post that was going up on Craigslist as it went up, someone was selling a car or a house or something. He found our office on Congress. He found a car for me, he probably found a car for you. He found the house I lived in before this one. Yeah, that's the only reason I owned that house was because Jason found it and told me about it.

How did he do that? Was he just on Craigslist? Yeah, and he would be like, hey, I saw this, I think the super for you. He'd be like, oh great, yeah, that's exactly the kind of thing I want? Was he just on Craigslist? Yeah, yeah. And he would be like, hey, I saw this. I think the Super for you. He'd be like, oh great, yeah, that's exactly the kind of thing I want. He's just a Craigslist Super user. I don't know about it anymore.

Like, I like it every day. Zillow is his homepage, and he's just, wow. I don't know if that's true, but it's what it feels like. Yeah. He was very plugged in, not only with people, but with like, the city at large. Yeah, that's, I was one of the things

I liked the most about him. Yeah. Um, but here we are at Book People. city at large. Yeah, that's one of the things I like the most about him. Yeah. But here we are at Book People. Do you come, do you buy books here at Book People where you're going? Do you buy books very often? If I buy books, I buy them at Book People. Okay.

I don't buy books as much anymore because I just, I have a problem where I could walk into that bookstore and I would get very excited. And I would buy 30 books. You were distracted a few times as we were walking through. Yeah, and then I'll come home and I'll mean to read 30 books. And then I'll be like, well, I'll put these 12 away and I'll just keep these out. And then before I know, I start one book and then I get distracted with work or something else.

And I just have realized that my, I read just as much as I ever did. But I just read differently now. I read Reddit, I read new stuff, I read research for so-on, right, or whatever. And if I do read, I tend to do it on a Kindle. So I don't come here very often, but I did for the longest time. I mean, I feel like whenever,

like there's a book signing in town, it's always here. Like, it was here, it was here, it's not until I'm gonna go. Yeah, I drove by that day, I saw like a long line. The book was he signing. I don't know, the Bible. The Matthew, the, by that day. I saw like a long line book was he signing. I don't know the Bible the Matthew the That's awesome. It was not the Bible Hey Gus keep it cool signed Matt

Yeah, I feel like this is Very much like anytime someone's in town for like a signing. This is where they always end up doing it So local like independent bookstore and it's great. It's wonderful. It's huge. It's two stories. Upstairs is all kids, but not all kids books, but there's a kids book section. There's an area that has little bleachers where they put on like puppet shows and they read stories and then kids all get milley would go sometimes on the weekends. We'd sit down. They'd read stories to her. Inside the little like structure where you can read, there are little tunnels that kids can run around and play in. It's really wonderful. I spent so much

time here when Billy was a kid because it wasn't just like taking her to the store to get a book. It was kind of like an event. She could go and play and catch the end of a story that somebody was reading and just like, you could burn an hour here with a kid pretty easily. So if you have small kids, it's a great place to take them. It's interesting you say all that because, you know, Eric suggested coming down here to coffee people, and I didn't say this in, you know, when you sent that message,

but I thought about replying that at some point, maybe we should also hit up the Austin Public Library, the downtown bracket. So here because it reminds me a lot of like what you're describing here with book people as well, like a lot of activities and a lot of stuff you wouldn't think of necessarily as being like, something in a library.

That public library is fucking awesome. It's amazing. It is awesome. I've never been and it's all I hear about. It's so cool. It's so cool. It is so cool. It is so cool.

You know how like Roost teeth has a ton of conference rooms and breakout rooms where you can just hop in. The library's like that, but they're all like glass and beautiful and brand new. And they're just be like, oh, I'm reserving this room for D&D. And then like you and your friends can go play D&D in there for hours.

A lot of times they even have the games and shit. Yeah, I was gonna check out. If you need a game, they've got it. If you forget your tablet or your laptop, you can check one out and use it there in the room as well. They also have like an outdoor terrace upstairs. Yeah, there's two different ones. There's like one on the roof,

and then there's like one like on the reading level as well. That's like kind of fenced in, so you can go out. It's like, but it's not all the way at the very top. I don't know if I've ever been to that one. Yeah, it looks like you couldn't get out there, but there's like, there's chairs and tables out there. You can totally walk out there.

It's 90% of the time, it's way too hot to go out there, but it's really nice. I'll tell you something else else I like about that library. I've never been there and seen it not packed. Yeah, really? It is always full when I go, which is a great sign, I think. Yeah, yeah.

There also, we're very understanding, we went through an incredibly brutal summer. Yeah. And if you weren't there in the summer, they would let homeless people hang out there, enjoy the air conditioning while they could, and that might sound uncomfortable or awkward, but everyone kept to themselves,

I think everyone's just appreciative to be able to use air conditioning, or have air conditioning, be able to get some water from a water fountain. Everybody deserves to be able to have a little bit of time and comfort, not baking in the fucking sun, or having to sit under a bridge right outside the library where a lot of homeless people will hang out

and in the fucking hundred and ten degree shade, you know. But yeah, I thought about suggesting, but I wasn't sure if we could get coffee in there or how that would work. So there's no, I just looked, there's no coffee shop there, there used to be, or there was a place called, like, Cook cafe or something down at the bottom, but it's temporarily closed.

But I'm sure that if we grab some coffee and then made our way there, we could find a spot. It might not be keen about us taking coffee in, was the thing I was worried about. Well, we can always sit outside. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, sneak it under a coat. You know, we could do. We could get like, we've never done like store bought, like prepackaged coffees for.

Could do a real big thermos. Yeah. We get like a nitro cold brew or something and then just sneak it in. Well forget it. I think one way or another, we should go to that library though, because I do wanna go.

I'm never gonna drive down here by myself. Get a library card. Or we could go to like Melo Johnny's and get our coffee there, which is a coffee shop and bike shop and then walk over. We used to go there every now and then as well when our office was downtown. Absolutely. Melo Johnny's and get our coffee there, which is a coffee shop and bike shop and then walk over. That's not far. We used to go there every now and then as well

when our office was downtown. Absolutely. Melo Johnny's is right there. Okay. Yeah, let's, do you remember the name of the coffee shop? Melo Johnny's is the bike shop. Well, the coffee shop's called One Palota.

Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, it stands for One Nut because it was Lance Armstrong's coffee shop and bike shop. Cycling hub owned by Lance Armstrong. That is, he's only got one testing in one ball. One ball those a ball. That's that's very funny. Yeah, huh? Yeah, we should do that. I love yeah local local hero

Nothing bad ever happened with him. See Lance Armstrong in Austin guy. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah He's like he was our claim to fame until he suddenly wasn't yeah The whole the a lot of the bike lanes used to be, like especially over here, just east of us in downtown. It was like the Lance Armstrong bikeway. Like you have signs and everything. Yeah. I don't know that. It was like a really big deal.

The Armstrong, a live strong foundation is over really close to, actually really close to where we were last week for Cosmic Cafe. Did you guys ever get into the plastic bracelets business? No, no, no. Feel like I'm in stopper to the day. They've made a lot of money off those bracelets. Yeah.

Well, for charity, a lot of money for charity. Well, they did, but I feel like other companies also jumped on the bandwagon. They've always started one. I've kind of seen a resurgence with like, do you make it in the friendship bracelets with like Taylor Swift concerts and so? Maybe we should get on Anima, Plastic,

or Rubber bracelets. Well, I don't think we should do that. We do have two new shirts out. Oh, that's right. We have, uh, uh, early is the new late, which is a fantastic shirt that is, uh, and our Anima logo shirt inspired by the, uh, the Brim logo. Yeah. That is such a cool, what a cool throwback, like,

to the rim with Anima. With Anima. What if we stop? What if we, I, I don't ever see a calm not receive our calm I desperately would like people to buy those shirts. I do agree with I think they're great shirts. I do I think they're great shirts as well and Boy would it make our hearts sing if you were to wear them in public But I think you're honest with this friendship bracelets I think friendship bracelets are overdone and you know they go in cycles

I have one that mille made me years ago What if we pioneered a clean ship bracelets? Coint ship a quaint ship bracelets. Why not friend just some queens. Okay That seems like it would make us friends if I gave you a bracelet No, it's the because it doesn't say like buddy or on it just says like okay, okay I think potential see I think that- Potential. See, I think that I think a bracelet is too friendshipy. What if it's like a quaint and ship chapstick?

And it's like, because it's something that you'll just give, you don't use it. It's just one that says like, hey, you're cool, or you're fine, like we're good. I think that's it. It just says we're good. We're good. And you give it to them and then they have it

and they keep it in like the little pocket in their jeans and then every time they're like, oh, my lips are chapped, take it out and they go, oh, that's it. It just says we're good. We're good. And you give it to them and then they have it and they keep it like the little pocket in their jeans And then every time they're like oh my lips are chapped take it out and they go oh, that's right Eric And then yeah, there you go. I want to give someone like a veggie burger. What does this mean? Yeah, we got no beef Yeah, we know beef baby I've learned So book people's awesome everybody Everybody loves it. Everybody in Austin loves book people. We all support it. Everybody loves an independent bookstore, especially one as wonderful as this one,

with just a tremendous selection. They got a great graphic novel section. They have a great comic book section. They have a big manga section. They have like wonderful horror and mystery section. It's a really fantastic place. My first time getting coffee here. I've never thought to get coffee at book people.

So that's where I was going. I kind of figured you were. Is that I've been coming to this Whole Foods since 1994. I don't know, that's at Whole Foods. I'm sorry, because I used to be Whole Foods here. I've been coming to this book people since 1994. I have spent thousands of dollars in this book people. Thousands and thousands of dollars.

Over 30 years of patronage now, 29 years of patronage, it's never even crossed my mind to get a coffee. I've never had that thought. I knew it was there. I came here with the mindset of looking for a book or wanting to do that stuff. And I knew it was there, but when I would come with Millie, I guess the thing you would do if a parent

was you just like throw your kid at the upstairs and then go drink coffee, but I always like to watch her. I always like to be like, oh guess the thing you would do if a parent was you just like throw your kid at the upstairs and then go drink coffee, but I always like to watch her. I always like to be like, oh, what's she getting up to? Oh, that's interesting, you know, let's see how she plays with that. And so I just never once in a million years thought to get coffee.

It's funny, because when we walked in, I had like a brief pause in my mind, I was like, where the fuck is the coffee place here? Like I said, I'd never been over there to get coffee. So it's in the back, when you walk in, it's all the way in the back right corner. I couldn't, you can't see it when you walk in. You would never walk in and be like,

this, I'm gonna get some coffee here. It's all books. There was one person working the coffee bar. They were reading a book. Yeah, super unbothered. That felt like old Austin to me. Yeah. That felt like going to coffee shops,

years and years and years ago. Like we talked about pre-sort books. Yeah, where it was just like somebody's hanging out, there's a picture of the dog on a register, here's some cookies, we want. And it was just like, none of it was like a, like a tercer angry interaction. It was just like, oh, put my book down,

what do you need me? Yeah, all right, yeah. It was great, it was easy. And in the order, then down. What would you need? Yeah, right. Yeah. It's great. It's easy. And you order and then they go back to reading about prowlster, whatever. I mean, really set the coffee down and she went, I have a going and then sat down and just opened the book up. And it was like, this is like, right? Like you said, not in a negative way at all.

No, no, just what coffee shops used to be. Yeah. Used to be. Yeah. It's, it's, it is like stepping a little back in time. But that's how this bookstore feels, too. Like, it's organized and there's all kinds of stuff, but they have a big like independent section

and it feels like an employee run, not like a big, you know, here's how we're gonna divide everything up. It feels very employee run and very like, here are picks. Here's the section, here's European history or whatever. It just feels like an old bookstore in an old coffee shop. They have great picks and they do that thing

where they'll write a little summary of the book and then put it on the, yeah, I love that. And they also have, and the front left is where you can buy like stationary or like drafting books or like socks with the Shreddinger's cat on them. You know, like whatever or not. Or kind of shit you get. They're just blank, you know?

You don't know. Yeah, or just like shit you get at a cough at like, when you need to go to a birthday and you really didn't buy anything and you're like, I'll just run to book people and they have it all. I use that side of it a lot too. A lot of emergency birthday gifts. A lot of emergency birthday gifts. A lot of emergency birthday gifts came from there. Let me know what you like in there,

it'll give you something for your wedding. Yeah, maybe some socks. You don't know these worries, they're not. No idea. I don't know, I'm not looking at them. Maybe they're there, maybe they're not. It's a sea turtle mystery.

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Try for yourself to shade your eight five stars by over 250,000 people. uh, directly behind us is a GSD and M, right? Which is a advertising agency. It got rebranded to ID a city around like 2010 or so. I don't know if you remember this, but everybody in Austin called it. Idiosity. Because it looked fucking stupid and what a stupid name ID a city. So the entire city of Austin made fun of them immediately and called them idiot city. Uh, but to build this

big ass building, there was a row of homes here that was like on the, I guess the further west end of that neighborhood, which is where a lot of lawyer law offices and stuff out there in the jails eventually. Yeah. And so they bulldoze a lot of houses, but they didn't bulldoze one house. And so if you go past the parking garage, there is still one single family home right there where people are living. And I always loved that house because it's very old Austin, it's a key little craftsman home, but it butts up to the parking garage for advertising agency. It's across the street from the parking garage for whatever the fuck that is.

And in a candy corner to a bookstore on the other side is I think a park. What is I always assumed that parking garage was for book people. What is that? Uh, uh, uh, the front part of it, I think is for book people, but there's the, um, the no Kona behind that condo back there. Yeah, I guess we're in Richard's living. She died. Oh, really? Yeah, I believe so. I looked at actually, uh, she lived a little further up. I looked at her house. It was not. She had a house, but I think she also. Oh really? Yeah. Anyway, and I always just love that that little house is hanging on and it's like,

fuck you, I'm still here. Even though like the whole neighborhood has turned into commercial. What's gone? There was an absolute thriving neighborhood here at some point in the past. And that house is a holdout and Austin is full of those houses. There's one, if you go up Fifth Street, about two blocks, right before you, I guess you're gonna be going that way, you can't go out of the way, it's the one way street, but just a little west of where it is is another coffee shop we should go to called Better Half,

which is a fantastic coffee shop. About a block in East of that, where a restaurant called Corazon used to be is just a big-ass parking lot and in the back of the parking lot is like old, I don't know, pipeworks factory or something and in the parking lot, in the middle of the parking lot is just a home, a single family home and people, I don't know if they still live there but until five years ago so there were people still living there and they just, they literally just paved everything around the house so that it's just a house in a parking lot.

I don't know if I've ever noticed that. I should have been a pension out for that. And there are so many little houses like that. I'm sure in your city and town, all over America, or all over the world even, but there's something about the ones in Austin that I love because they're just like, people that are like, no, fuck you, I'm still, like, you can't have this house,

build around me, it's like the house in fucking up, right? And, and there, Austin's just full of them if you look, they're everywhere. Huh. Yeah, a little like 900 to a 1200 square foot, 1930s, craftsmen homes that just refuse to go away. That's awesome. And then you just build around it.

And now you're in the parking lot of a Staples and a Best Buy. Yeah, essentially. And then you're in the parking lot of a Staples and a Best Buy. I've never noticed that one on Fifth. I'm really gonna keep it out for it. Yeah. I've been, I've, we looked at a lot of a staples and a vestibule. Yeah, essentially. And then you're in the bargain, a lot of the staples and a vestibule. I've never noticed that one on fifth. I'm really gonna keep it out for it. Yeah.

I've been, we looked at a lot of buildings over there for our office, for a while, before we moved on. We did. We looked at a lot of those houses that are converted into like commercial spaces. There's a place over there. I think it's called Nightcap. That's a bar.

That was in a place we were gonna move into. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like right over by wind flow or whatever. That is the only time I've ever eaten at El Arroyo. Yeah, I've been there twice that time and then, well, continue. So it's like a Mexican restaurant that's over there on West Fifth, like a little little West here, but they're known for, like, they have a sign out front and they always put like every day, they put like a stupid joke on it or whatever.

They're so funny. And people take pictures of them and put them on social media, read it or whatever. And some people really love them, I fucking hate them. I hate so many of them. And they just take a kind of funny tweet you saw one time and they go slightly change this wording and- And it's ours now. Yep. And then you just hold a kind of funny tweet you saw one time and they go, slightly change this wording and- And it's ours now. And then you can sort of copy book with them.

Anyway, the food there's terrible. That's, yeah, I never wanted to go there. It's never a place that was on my list. And then we were looking at houses out there for a potential office one time. And we were just like right there and it was like, let's just walk to El Arroyo and let's just have lunch here.

And it was miserable. It was absolutely miserable. I can't believe you went twice. Well, the only other time I went, and I'll never understand what we did this, was when Michael Jones came to visit us when we were hiring him, we got Jack, and I picked him up from the airport,

and then Jack was like, Michael, you hungry? And he's like, I guess, whatever. He's like, I'm gonna take you to the best spot in town. It's great, we're gonna go right now. And we drove to El Aroyo, and I'm like, why the fuck are we coming here? This place sucks. And he's like, no, it's great, man,

what are you talking about? Oh, it was El Aroyo. I've never seen you eat here before. Like, you don't eat here. Why don't we do it? And he made us eat at El Aroyo that day, and it was super fucking mediocre. And then I spent the whole time going,

listen dude, this isn't what, yeah, don't judge us by this food. I don't know why he's doing this to you. It's so this to you. It's so weird. What a great introduction to what he would eventually become a career. Well, it was a great introduction to the relationship

between Jack and I, I think. Everything could only go up from there. Yeah, absolutely. Did you guys ever go to mean I cat? Oh, I'm in there for a few minutes. Yeah, okay. What used to be there? I feel like that's even that's fairly recent.

Well, they had a, you know, much like I was talking about homes getting bulldozed and ending up with houses and parking lots. When Meenide Cat was built there, I think it was just an old house and they converted it into Meenide Cat. And it was a huge grass spot all the way around it. And there was like, that was kind of the cool thing about it. It was it had tons of parking. And then all that parking went away and now it's like you walk out the back door of me and I cat and you walk right into a concrete wall. Yeah, it's funny because I say I feel like that was fairly recent but now the thing about it that's probably

been there almost 20 years at this point. Yeah, probably been there like 15 years or so. As long as I've known it. Yeah, wow. Little Johnny Cash themed bar. Yeah, yeah. It's right around the court. It's like across the street, sort of an up a little, or down a little from LRIO. There used to be, you know, just behind it, you said this wall for the parking garage

and there's like some businesses there, some retail stuff. There used to be a really great vegetarian restaurant over there called Veggie Heaven. Well, there was a Veggie Heaven over there. Yeah, they used to be over on the drag, like next to Coco's, right by UT, but they went away and they closed for a couple years and theyie heaven over there. Yeah, they used to be over on the drag, like next to Coco's, right by UT, but they went away and they closed for a couple years,

and they reopened over there, like right behind me and I'd cat in that little shopping center. Yeah. They were open for several years there. The food was amazing, but when COVID hit, they closed, and they just never reopened, which is a real loss. That place was like, normally you hear like a vegetarian, being a foodie like, what the hell is that? Like, it's probably gross, right gross right like I've never seen a more

Diverse menu and everything everything order was like so good. I really missed that place that place was awesome And it sounds like an Austin institution, but another Austin institution that was down here was Schlottski's Come down here and get a sandwich Yeah, they used to work over at sixth and Congress and the Littlefield Building, which is right there on the Northeast corner of Sixth and Congress. And there used to be a schlatsky down there at the ground floor of that building.

And I remember back when I worked there, I was probably back like 2001, 2002 maybe. They had this brilliant idea, brilliant in air quotes, to fill the restaurant with a bunch of iMacs. So you could order a sandwich and use the computer and use the internet while you ate lunch. But it was always the most disgusting thing to me, because Schlosski sandwiches leave you think

your hands so oily and dirty. I like Schlosski sandwiches, but. Dude, I ate the number one. Yeah, the original is great. But it leaves your hands without that oil, and then it's like, oh yeah, sure, go to a computer, 20,000 other people have been pod. So when you would look at that Shlonsky's from Congress,

it was all lined with just like the lampshade or the lamp style iMacs, and people would just be sitting there using the internet. I guess like, you know, they weren't smartphones, maybe Wi-Fi was just like starting to kind of take off. Like maybe it was kind of a unique thing, but it was just gross. Just thinking about computers in a sandwich shop

is so fucking funny to me. That's hilarious. That doesn't make any fucking sense. Now it's capital one cafe, we saw it on the way here. Which, oh, so it's even better. Such a weird, such a weird thing. It's like a lovely idea of the capital one cafe. Get a get a loan, shitty coffee.

We're gonna trick you into thinking that if you sit on a fucking love seat and drink a free coffee that you're not in a banker in a coffee shop, we're gonna pump you full of so much espresso, you get jittery and half to sign. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, uh, but yeah, that's,

I feel like things don't last very long right there in that, uh, in that lobby. No, of that lobby. No. Of that little field building. The Capital One Cafe, it's probably like a lost leader for them. Or it's like they just have it to have it there. It's been a million things.

It has. And then right across the street from the just west of Congress, there was a Starbucks there for a long time. Yeah. But they just closed that like last year or two years ago. I think we talked about that. All the Starbucks that used to be right there

up in downtown Congress. For the longest time that Capital One Cafe slash Shalatskies was the sales office for the Austinian, right? Oh, it was, I forgot about that. A couple of years. Yeah, when there was one of those all under construction, they were selling that, yeah, like all the models and like the architecture drawings and everything.

I forgot about that. I don't know that I've ever walked in that building. They, they, you walked in with me, because I used to work there. Yeah, but like in the little cafe part of the front. Right. I remember when they first started like TSA pre-check, that was a new thing.

That's where I got by, that it was in the office up there. Yeah, they had like the pre-check office was like on the seventh floor or something in that building. It was the seventh floor. Yeah, that's where I had to get on my first pre-check. I know that building very well That building has a half floor. I don't know if you know that what is a half floor? You ever see being John Melchovitch Yeah, it's like that except people don't work there. Okay. Have you told this on this podcast? Maybe maybe we talked about that the being John Melchovitch thinks it's familiar

It's like it's I think it I want to say it's the sixth and half of the seventh half floor. Reared. But you just like take your elevator to one of those floors and then you get in the stairwell and you go up or down half a flight of stairs and then there's like a door in the stairwell. Is it the reason for that? Is that was like the original roof but the guy across the street built his building one story taller and so little field came back and we talked about that. We have talked about that because that's a cool ass story. Yeah. He was like, no, I will have the tallest building in town. He's not a bitch.

It's all storage. It's not. There's no cool offices where you get bad backs. That's great. We're getting to, I mean, we're flying to this episode. I want to talk more about coffee people and what we got here. So coffee people again inside of this bookstore, all the way in the back, one person, very fast service.

Very fast. For an Americano, a drip coffee and a cold brew. Very quick, prices were fine. I got a cookie. But we don't write cookies on this podcast. So did Jeff. He saw that Gus got a cookie and then he went meet two. I'm hungry.

Well, the hour change, the time just went back. So it's like new now, so I gotta get a little snack. So we don't rate the cookies, but can you talk about the cookies? I think my cookie might be a little old. It was a little firm. It was fine. It's okay. I took a bite.

Oh, this is an old cookie. It's a sea. Sea minus. Yeah. But it's not cookie people. It's the they're not called cookie people. It's definitely rich. it's down the road. It's like, what'd you think of the coffee?

This was not my favorite cup of coffee. Yeah. I think I took a total of four, wow, really? Six or four drinks out of this. Oh, wow. Not my favorite, great books, not my cup of coffee. Great books. Best book store in Austin Hands down, uh-huh not the best coffee. Okay. I'm gonna go with a

6.85 okay, okay, which rounds up to a 6.9, but I wanted 6.85 is where we started great You're be I think you'd be a little generous It's like a five and a half or You're, I think you're a little generous. It's like a five and a half or six. Yeah, my eyes. I think it's a six, but here's the thing about this kind of coffee. This tastes like going to a bookstore. Yeah.

It tastes like being in an old coffee shop. It tastes like the way an old book smells, not one to one, but it has to me. There's notes of it. It has a nostalgia or I have like a memory of like in college going to a cafe that's not Starbucks, just like an old cafe around campus, getting this exact cup of coffee, and having to study for an American history class that I don't give a fuck about.

This is what coffee tasted like. A lot of texture. That is incredibly, uncomfortably right. A lot of texture That is incredibly uncomfortable yeah, yeah, and I think you described it great. I would say that this is what coffee in 1996 taste. Yeah, 100% before like Coffee culture took off and really like art is in coffee and so we became like coffee, as a society. It tastes like if you were to ask them, like, oh, what kind of beans are these? They would go coffee and you go, that's not, well, okay.

Yeah, it's like, oh, it's a dark roast. And you're like, yeah, but yeah, where'd they come coffee? It's like being a little kid drinking coffee for the first time, be like, this is gross, why do adults drink this? I will say as much as it is a six, being in there, getting this cup and drinking it was very comfortable.

Yeah, coming to book people, don't let that stop you. You've come to book people for the books. I mean, we've, Gus and I have been coming here for 30 years and we've never had the coffee before. It's still a joy that it might be immensely. Yeah, but if you are looking to look at a bunch of books and be here for a while. Get a small cup of coffee and just hold it and be warm and walk around and look at some

books. I think that's like that's the move. Nerd out. Yeah. I mean, it really is. This feels like such a throwback. Everything about this felt like a throwback. Absolutely.

And I kind of love it for that. Like I would come back here on a weekend and be like, I want this specific cup of coffee and I want to look at books for like two and a half hours. All right, all right, all right. Speaking of comforting, I would say that this intersection, this little spot is probably the most comforting section of Austin to me.

This is Austin. Like I think of like coming back to Austin. I would have heard it's this right here. Waterloo records and Whole Foods and book people. And this is like, this is like the hub of what Austin was. When I feel like, you know, we've talked before about getting the chronicle and looking for free stuff to do when we were younger all the time. This way we would get it.

We'd come to Waterloo. Yeah, yeah. Like this was the place we would come to get it because lots of times they would give the tickets away at Waterloo. Uh-huh. So it's like this was where we would would come get it because lots of times they would give the tickets away at Waterloo Uh-huh So it's like this was where we would come and do that, you know 25 years ago because this was like the hub for everything hell Yeah, huh Well, that's a that's coffee people inside a book people definitely recommend I recommend getting the coffee and reading some books

Absolutely, it it just Feels right. Yeah feels like right. Yeah. Feels like 1996. It definitely does. But we should get into some anarchy questions. Let's do it. Just so you guys know, you can set us anarchy questions at Enemopodcast on Instagram and on Twitter and our slash Enemopodcast on Reddit.

But we don't run that. This is just where I'm sourcing some questions from. Also, next week's episode is going to be the last of our eight episode run, and then me and Jeff will be back for some supplemental. We'll give Gus some much needed time off, because he's definitely, he's the one getting married and going on a honeymoon, right?

I need time off to buy a new mic muff because mine's disgusting. Why did it change colors? I think I talked too forcefully into it, and I've been spitting coffee onto it. Look at that, that's coffee color. Oh, guess. Oh, guess.

Hang on. That's vile. It's so gross. Look, it is big smile. It used to be green, but now it's like a disgusting brownish color. Oh, man. So you can send us your anarchy questions, where we'll take questions from you. Yeah.

I like this one. This is from the Anima subreddit. This is from I8 too many eggs. With the holidays coming up, what are some fun or happy memories you have of Austin or Rooster Teeth around that time of the year? Someone deleting the website right before Christmas was pretty fun. This may be not happy memory of the year. The last year that I was fully in charge of customer service

in the store and I got 107 customer service calls on Christmas Eve and I called Bernie and Gus and I was like, you guys gotta help me out I'm getting buried here and they're like, we're off. And I had to, I had to talk to a hundred and seven people on the phone on Christmas Eve. 107 moms, I can't do. I can't do it. Oh my god. In happier news,'s a that street

Up a little bit here that does all the lights every Christmas 37th Street. Yeah 37th Street. Yeah, right rock it's back It's stop for a few years, but it's back just east of Guadalupe. Yes Coffee shop there's really should go to oh it's supposed to civil goat which we have done before yeah We've done civil good not that one though. Yeah, we did did. Oh, we did that with Jason. Yeah. Oh, okay Yeah, cuz I'm a waiting line for a really long time at this place and going. It's too many people here for a Monday But yeah, if you're in town around the holidays, that's like a they they really do it up Yeah, it's really difficult to drive around there. It's really crowded. You're in a park a few blocks away and then just walk That's that's a real pro move. How do you feel about holidays in Austin, in general? Cause I mean, it's snowed here, but that's more January.

That's February when the grid shuts down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just kinda cold here, but I like it. I love it. You got the trail lights up here. You got the big Christmas tree in Zilke Park. You got Coda. They have their peppermint parkway.

I did that for the first time last year. I really like it. It's adorable. It's fine. Yeah, I don't like the tree in Zilke Park. You don't? You don't like theway. I did that for the first time last year. I really liked it. It's adorable. It's fine. I don't like the tree in Zilker. You don't? You don't like the tree? No, I love it.

It's too tall. Look here, it's emanated by it. It's not a tree. It's not a tree. You just walk on a wall. It's like a metal hole. It's like a metal hole with lights that come down. And you go and you buy like a funnel cake or an elephant ear

and some hot cocoa. And then you go stand under and you just spin in a circle and it like, you do what? I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. You spin in a circle. It might have been quaint when the city was a lot smaller It's it's too big now. There's too many people well isn't that what the the trailer lights thing is now to you have to buy tickets first Pacific time free. I used to be free. Yeah, uh

Yeah, I Have not been since they started Charging for it. I the last time I went was probably like last year was for you. I go I yeah, I go every year Yeah, yeah, I was it now is it? Cause I feel like it was it was kind of waning and it was weird. It was it was weird. After COVID it became a drive-thru thing or during COVID and after and then last year was the first year that they opened it up for walking again. Oh really? And it was nice, but the problem is that Austin is too crowded and too big and we had to park like basically under MoPak, you know, and then walk all the way through Zilker Park all the way over

there. It's like a half an hour walk just to get there. But you see the big tree spent underneath it. You know, Elfinear. That part you don't even have to pay for it. That part's on the other side. That's free. But the trail lights you do have to pay for and I think we had to get like, I don't know

I could take it to go right through or like I skipped the line thing. But yeah, it's awesome when you get there, but it's a fucking nightmare to get there. It's just, like we tried to get a kite festival a couple months ago, I always loved the kite festival. Oh man, that's crazy. And we got stuck on MoPAC for over an hour, and eventually we just had to turn off,

and we couldn't even get within five miles of it. Like it's just that unfortunately, there's much demand for the the ship we have. You know, I used to live over there, I went to the house by where that HB is now off of Lake Austin Boulevard for a couple of years and anytime ACL happened, the street I lived on would just be filled with cars, people like parking in the neighborhood there and then walking from there to get to ACL, which is far. That's really, really far. Yeah.

Jesus Christ. A lot of Christmas trees in Austin, I feel like it's a pretty holiday spirit kind of town. Austin loves events. Yeah, a big time. Holiday or otherwise. Yeah, Austin loves to do stuff. Yeah, yeah, big time.

And I think that's evident when you go to something like the kite festival and you go, can you even go to it? Yeah, you're just impossible to get there. There's kites five miles in that direction. Why didn't we go at 8. evident when you go to something like the kite festival and you go, can you even go to it? Great. There's kites five miles in that direction. Why didn't we go at 8.30 in the morning to look at the kites? Oh, okay. Hey man, early is the new night.

Early is the new late. Hey, that's, if I go to breakfast, it's like 10 o'clock or after, I won't go. Yeah. You have to go before 10. I won't wait in line for breakfast. Dude, this, getting in line for breakfast before 10 while wearing your early is the new late shirt. I was already an in line for breakfast. Dude, this, getting in line for breakfast before 10 while wearing your earliest

and your late shirt. I was already an early as the new late guy, but this time change fucked me. I went to bed at 8.30 last night. I was in bed, I fell asleep before 9. Jesus, was there a pro wrestling show last night that didn't end till like 11 o'clock and it was me and my buddy driving home

and we were like, we're so fucking tired. We're so tired. I couldn't even wake up to play trucks with Bernie and I. Some of the stuff you put in on the wrestling show so fucking tired. We're so tired. I couldn't even wake up to play trucks with very nice guys over here. Some of the stuff you put in on the wrestling show is fucking cool. Dude, there are these two guys, so Inspire Wrestling in Austin is like the premier

pro wrestling in Austin. And the main event last night is this guy T. Ray Watford who's been around all the Austin scene for like a long time. He's like in his mid 40s. This young guy, Daniel Ryan, he's like really up in Cumber. And he's like, Danny's like, if I beat you, you retire, whatever. So they had this knockdown drag out match where they suplexed each other off of shit

through a pile of chairs, not like laid down, like set up and they just set up all these chairs, fucking through each other through that, pulled the mat and the canvas up from the ring, the wrestling ring. So you just have two by eight boards, all just like slatted and just just powerbombed each other and off the top rope, it was fucking insane.

That's fucking cool. Austin wrestling is crazy. It's so fucking hot right now, it's so cool. Here's a question from Rustofsky. Ever seen Tarantino's death proof takes place in Austin. How accurate is it? Yeah. That happens all the time.

It's always on the news. I'm constantly looking at feet, eating chili parlor, getting car accidents. I tell, I'm in my 2008 Hyundai Accent and I say this car is death proof for just the driver's seat. I mean, in the sense that if you wanna go to wearers or Texas chili parlor and watch people talk too much,

you can do that. I will say. The, uh, I think that our old fucking funny, our old office in stage five was in planet terror. Yeah. Yeah. Like the, the, the, the, the, the the Bay doors opening and the

yeah. Like, uh, that was stage five. Yep. Yeah. Uh, I mean, a lot of people getting shot in the streets here these days. I, a lot of road rage. I, a lot of people getting shot in the streets here these days. Like, a lot of road rage. I take people to Texas,

Chili Parlor, I think it's a cool spot and you can go like, here's where they shot this and they go, really? And you show them a scene and they go, wow. It's one of my favorite places on earth. Oh, Texas, Chili Parlor, just a cool place. They don't really close for events. They do that.

We tried to have our rehearsal dinner there. Yeah. And they were like, now we think it pissed off our regulars. And I was like, fair. Absolutely, that's the best answer I've ever heard for that. Like what a way to take care of your loyal clientele. I think that's, I was totally understanding about that. Yep.

Thanks for the question, Rustowski. This is, I would get one more. Pretong can duel. hopefully I said that right, I'm sorry that I didn't. Since Jeff and listed in the Army straight out of high school and just, and Gus dropped out from university pretty early, what are some quintessential college experiences

that you feel like you missed out on, aside from the student debt? I can answer that easily. College. No idea what that's about. I saw an animal house, and I assume that I missed that. Nope. It's not, no.

It's not quite. I mean, almost. But no. You don't feel like you missed, I mean, I guess you don't really know what it would be. And, yeah, I missed it all. Huh. And by the way, it was very bitter about it for a very long time. Is that right?

I didn't know that. Very happy we missed out on the student death though. Yeah, yeah, not sad about missing out on the student death. You were bitter about not going to college? Oh, for a very long time. I joined the army because I felt like I had to, not because I wanted to. I didn't feel like I had any other options.

I mean, if it helps, I didn't think that you wanted to. Yeah. Nothing, nothing, nothing. You were expressing your art and art. There was a part of me. Well, listen, I mean, all kidding aside, I am very quietly a pretty patriotic dude. It's true, pretty pro-America,

pretty pro, pretty pro the military, but you're not very pro-gun though. I'm not super pro-gun. I'm not. I mean, I respect them, I think that they're a tool. I use that tool when I was in the army. Soldiers have to use that tool when I was in the army. Soldiers have to use that tool.

I don't begrudge anybody for owning a handgun or any kind of gun for personal protection. I'm not here to police what kind of gun you buy. I just am not a fan of them personally. I don't like to hold them. I don't like to shoot them. I don't like to be around them. People say like, wait, you just weren't around guns enough.

No, no, no, I grew up in Alabama. And then I joined the army. I was around guns. I know you're always around. I know you're the day of my life for the first 23 years. That's why I don't like. You've experienced plenty of gun. Yeah, but what made you bitter about not going to college?

I just was jealous. Yeah. I was jealous of all the kids that had opportunity that I didn't have. I was jealous of kids that got to go. Like the experience of joining the army, and I wouldn't change it for anything now because I believe it set me up for success.

And it taught me discipline and structure that I would have never found on my own. And I certainly wouldn't have gotten college. And so the, I think the things that I learned in the military were invaluable. And they're probably the main reason I'm successful in life. But it was a very different experience to go through basic training while other people

are going through Rush Week, you know. And I just, like, we glorify that era of college in media constantly. There are movies and TV shows and songs and culture built around it. And it's all about kids finally getting away from home and finding their true voice and learning what they're into and making mistakes and trying things and experimentation and getting to get a taste of what it's like to live in the world as an adult for the first time, but in this really safe curated kind of way. And I, as a soldier, just don't get that.

You become a piece of property and you're told when to get up, what to eat, where to work, what to do, how hard to work, how long to work, when to go to bed, when to get up the next day. And after five years of that, as opposed to somebody having four years or five years of a traditional college experience, I was pretty jealous of the experience that they had versus the one that I had, I felt like I had to go through, you know? I've gotten over it.

I'm 48 now, I understand my emotions a lot better. But yeah, there was a period, probably into my early 30s where I just like, I had a grudge. With me, I felt like people thought less of me or looked down on me for not having finished or not having the degree. Sure, it's like, oh yeah, I'm not gonna have the same opportunity.

Like I'm gonna apply for this job next to someone else and they're not gonna pick me just because I didn't get a degree. That's another thing too, dude. I already felt like I was at such a deficit for being from Alabama. And there are a million people in Alabama that are listening to this that are like, fuck you. But I can only speak to my experience,

which is growing up and becoming an adult in the 1990s and already like being from the South was a strike. Not going to college was a strike. Being a soldier was a strike, you know? And so I always felt like I, I don't know, I had like a lot going against me just out the gate. And then somebody who had a fucking political science degree

that their parents paid for, which just didn't feel fair to me, you know what I mean? Well, I think a lot's changed in Alabama. It's been 30 years. They're proudly in the 80s at this point. I think the time has marched on. Congratulations. That's interesting.

I never considered that. Yeah, don't worry. They don't get podcasts in Alabama. Yeah, I have to worry about anyone getting upset. They're using Garfield phones. They just got Alph, it's gonna be crazy. That's really interesting. I hadn't considered a spiteful thing,

and I get it, I get what you're saying. Yeah. And as you've gotten to know me for years, you understand that I am motivated largely by spite. And I can, yeah, you definitely see that. And this makes a lot of sense to me when you start talking about it. And the way that it, I think motivated you to do this stuff.

The whole Michael Jordan, and I took that personally meme that we all laugh about and stuff. I also completely and totally identify and understand with that, and when he said that, you have, of course, you did. 100%. I had to create something, had to really get after someone.

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