ANMA - Immediate Fight

Episode Date: July 28, 2025

Good morning, Gus! Gus and Geoff get into it immediately at Better Half during SXSW. Classic stuff. They also talk about Parking, FEAR, BBQ, Man Bites Dog, Closures, Time Machine food travel, Flying, Animation, & Conventions. Edited by Richard Norman. Check out his band Good Lord on bandcamp: ⁠https://goodl0rd.bandcamp.com/ ⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Okay, I want you to turn around Jeff, and I want you to look right over there. There's a giant empty parking lot that is about five steps away from where we're sitting. Still would be further away from where we parked. No, I don't think it would be. Thank you, appreciate it. Maybe not to this table, but to the guy to buy the food. No, no. Also, that parking lot wasn't there last night. Just wanted to say that. Also, you weren't going to that parking lot.

You had no idea that parking lot was there. But I said, remember what I said? What I said exactly was, let's see what's happening on 4th Street. Where is that parking lot? You watched four cars pull out. There was a three car space. And you, I'll tell you what happened.

I've been there and I'm not mad at you about it. Even though I got a little snippy with you. Sounds like it. You panicked and you were stressed out and you did the, I'm just gonna go, I'm just gonna extricate myself from the situation to go to a safer space. I wouldn't say I panicked.

It was the same thing as when the doorbell rings and you wasn't behind the hallway. What it was was, you hit too. What it was was the parking lot was busy. There were a lot of people coming in. And there was one entrance from the side and one from the street. It was just a whole complicated thing.

You couldn't wrap around from one aisle to the other. If you had waited eight seconds, that car would have moved and we would have parked immediately. And it was totally fine. The one that you stressed out about that was backing out, where you were like, no, we're just going to do it. They were going to fit by us. There wasn't enough room.

I'm sorry, did we park? Was there enough room? After we went out and left, there wasn't enough room for that car to come by us. There wasn't enough room for the car to come by us. Gus, I love you. Back up, and come over here. We would have been. I love you. I love you right back up I love you here we would

have you I love you you're wrong look at that job wait I'm gonna lose your signal oh man well we're we're a better half so mad we're a better half coffee I'm just watching to see when I lose Jeff signal. I think I did. Yeah, there it goes. I, if, if it helps, I agree with you. Yeah, no, I'm totally right. Okay. That can get bad all at once.

That car, that car wouldn't have fit. When you were there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You just have to re-roll when he comes back? No, no, it, it, it's still recording. You're still good. Wait, where are you going now? He's gonna always gotta measure in the other direction.

Oh, okay, I'm definitely gonna lose his signal. Well, I guess we'll see what happens. Sorry, Richard. This is a very big spot. Is that also better happening over there? I don't think so. I think it's called Holdout. Oh, that's right.

I've been here once and I sat like over there. My wife and I came here, we sat over here and I thought we got food from that place. So that's holdout and it's next to it. And there's this huge area in the back that there's a ton of seating and there's a ton of parking. Okay.

When we parked, you made the same joke. I do all the time. We parked, you said, uh, don't forget where we parked. The itchy lot. I say it, I say it every time I park, um, my wife, my wife, not thrilled every time. How you, uh, so what do you think? So if you map it from the closest parking spot,

that a person could pick, which is for compact cars only, you don't have a compact car, you're in your mom's truck. But I want to have mapped it from there anyway, just to be kind. To the desk, to the counter to order a coffee would be 62 steps. From where we parked is 38 steps. Oh, 24 extra steps.

So. Closer. How much time would we have saved if we just parked back there instead of in the front? None, we would have saved none. Oh, okay. A little bit further. Okay. He also didn't if we just parked back there instead of in the front? None. We would have saved none. Oh, OK. Living further. OK. But you also didn't know there was parking.

Just get on his time machine. He would have discovered and it would have been a happy accident, but he didn't know there was parking back there. He was driving off into the undefined future because he was stressed out about turning right. That parking lot didn't exist until I turned down fourth. And that's when it willed itself into existence. Now nobody's saying that.

I said that. I'm saying that. Well then you're wrong. I thought we were gonna park by the train. Really in a trance. It's a South by Southwest week. I wanted to go somewhere downtown but you can't really get anywhere downtown because of all the insanity.

So I think this was a good compromise. This is about as close as we can probably get before really getting- We're on- On the way we had to drive to get here. There's 4th Street, I know that. And then South By is just a little over that way. Right, right, right.

South By is everywhere all at once. We had to avoid 35, so we took a very roundabout way to get here. We were talking about what part of South By is it? Because it's like, oh, all window bands play and all that stuff Bands are in town. The bands are playing and stuff being called God's Hate that played on Saturday and they're They're pretty fucking tough. That's a that's a whole thing where it's like, hey, what's up you in the pit crowd kill everyone? It's like scary shit. So I think South By ends what in a week?

I think after a book on Sunday is the last day. Music goes from Wednesday to Sunday. So if this is the music week, then yeah, it'll end Sunday. I thought it was a week. I thought we were a week earlier than that, but I guess not. You know, like SNL had its whole like 50 year anniversary bullshit. Yeah, they told me a lot. And they had like as part of all that, they had a documentary,

like a mini documentary about like music acts and music on SNL. I don't know if either of you watched that, but I thought it was a lot of very self-serving stuff, obviously they're producing it. On SNL? I thought that there was an itching story I didn't know about, I guess,

where they booked like some punk act in 82. Is it Fear? Yeah. And I guess I'd never seen that performance. You've never seen that before? Some punk act. Like one of the most legendary punk bands of all time. Dude, Fear, they love Living in the City.

It was amazing. That was only because of Belushi. Belushi was like, let's do it. It was the Halloween show, right? They got Bayon. I love Living in the City. I love Living in the City. I love living in the city. I love that song.

That's so cool. Love that band. Fuck yeah. That's a... Lead singer of that band, you know, you know him from something else. His name's Lee Ving. I saw an interview, they did a talking head interview

with him like nowadays. Oh really? But I couldn't quite place him. He played Mr. Body in the Clue movie. Okay, yeah. I was like, there was something familiar about him. Yeah. I couldn't quite place him. He was in a couple of eighties roles. Like he's in a John Kisue movie. Okay, yeah, I was like, there was something familiar about him. Yeah. I couldn't quite place it.

He was in a couple of 80s roles. Like he was in a John Kisak movie, or John Cryer movie. He was fucking cool. Like the talking kid interview with him where they were talking about that performance. I was like, oh, that's really, what's with?

I've seen Fear Play three or four times, but the coolest thing, cause I kind of, well, they were problematic at the time, or now looking back at it, a lot of what they did was problematic, but they were very cool when I was young and in the early 90s.

And one time I saw him on Congress on a motorcycle just stopped at a red light. And I was just like, God, he's on the top of the group, I hate him, but I wanna run out into the street and go like, and he's also a scary dude, you know? He's not like a fucking Harley, but it was cool to see him.

What's with a 70s punk acts doing weird 80s stuff where you go, oh yeah, he was Mr. Body in Clue or whatever. And it's like David Johansson was New York Dolls. And then it was also Buster Poindexter. The cab driver. And the cab driver, yep. Yeah. What the hell?

Yeah, I don't know. Do you think it's just directors and casting people going like, I fucking love these bands. Let's just put them in stuff. I think it's like what today would be the equivalent of like, laser beam getting in the Ryan Reynolds movie. Oh, okay. It's like now it's not,

it's not nearly as cool. No, it's not nearly as cool, but like Avant-garde music and stuff back then, that's what like internet celebrity is now. Interesting. That's really interesting. Yeah. Huh.

Did you guys do anything for South By? You guys go to any- I'm just staying away. What do you mean? What do you mean? When we took that long circuitous route to get to this area, you guys didn't do anything for South By?

I did. You didn't? It's witcher crowded. I did. I went to the fucking middle of nowhere, east side of Austin to eat barbecue in the wind and dust with you. Me and Jeff.

That's the only thing I've done. Me and Jeff went to the, at the rodeo grounds, they have a barbecue festival. It's like a Friday evening and then all day Saturday thing. You pay parking and admission. And then when you walk in, all of the food and all of the drinks are free. So you walk in and immediately it's a guy going,

hey, you want pulled pork, like pulled pork taco, great. And then you go over to like, there's just a million booths and everything. That's what I was gonna ask. There's actually food jooks, I feel like a lot of those times those places are scams where there's nothing when you get in. It's not a scam, but it is complicated.

You have to get there earlier to avoid like a bunch of lines, but then also throughout the day, different barbecue places that are in like the competition open and give out like free food. So like when, by the time Jeff got there, I'd already been to three places in Eaton. And then we found a really long line where they give you like this big ass plate of food,

brisket and you know, coleslaw and all this stuff. And then you go to like the next place and here's chicken. And then you go to the next place and here's a taco. We coleslaw and all this stuff. And then you go to like the next place and here's chicken. And then you go to the next place and here's a taco. We had like ribs and all this stuff. But the whole time, like me, I'm just drinking beer. Like the beer's free, the food's free. I think it works the best if you drink because then it just becomes,

cause there's a lot of line, like you wouldn't like the line portion of it. I hate that. I'm not crazy about lines either. But if you give into it and you recognize like, I'm gonna go stand in line. It's basically like, like he's saying, there's just stalls everywhere.

And then at any given time, there'll be maybe three places serving food. And so everybody kind of runs to those three places. So there may be, I think the longest line we were in was 45 minutes. But the shortest was maybe eight. Yeah, maybe. Maybe eight or 10.

And that 45 minute line. That's the longest line I've been going for years the longest line I've ever waited and we got a full meal for that one, too Yeah, that's why we wait Usually it's like here's brisket nachos and it's like a thing and it's pretty quick But I was initially kind of miffed by the lines, but then you think about it You know, like what else would I be doing? I just sitting at a picnic table talking to my friends Yeah, why aren't we like why I stand here and they're drinking just as easily in line. And they were actually, I'll say this for the place,

bummer that I'm sober. They just walk around handing out shots. There were ladies that just had trays of shots and free beer that they were just giving out. Also, I did partake in this, free chicharrones. Just a fucking, just like a cardboard box. Like a staples paper box full of chicharrones. He's like a fucking just like a guy like a cardboard box like a staples paper box Oh, here you go. Here you go Wow, that was that was really good, but then you just drink kind of all day

And then there's a carnival on like the backside so we were there. Yeah, but it was It was great because we got there and I'm in like I'm in like my cowboy boots and I'm trying to blend in the best that I can. It was probably about 80 degrees. Jeff shows up and he's crowing. First shorts day of the year. Look at this dude. You guys must be so miserable looking your long pants, burned doggies in his long pants all black. You got this is the first shorts day of the year. Jeff called it. I the first shorts day of the year. I was so excited.

90 minutes later, it went from 80 degrees to 55 degrees in about 15 minutes. It was that day, that's right. And just the wind picked up. Emily and Vanessa were in dress, like sundresses. They were dying. I was freezing. And we spent another two hours there.

Yeah. Well, we had to go to the carnival because my wife wanted funnel cake and my friend Robbie was hammered and wanted to go down the slide. So he bought a wristband, his wife, not thrilled. He bought a wristband so he could go down the slide. Was it just, what is that?

Like our metal slide? It was a big ass slide, the big wavy, really tall slide or whatever. He's drunk cause they were like, you're whiskey shots, whatever. So he's doing whiskey shots and then he wants to go down the slide and you think it's going to be like,

I'm going to go down the slide. Hey guys, let's check it out, whatever. He got the wristband and was like, I'm going down the slide. And he was gone. Like he ran over to go down the slide. He disappeared like that. It was.

Exactly, we were like, ah, fuck. It was so fucking funny. And then you just saw his little, he's got like this, like, he's got like this little like red hat and he just kind of, and he goes, goes down the slide and then he walks off and he's like, I loved it.

Done. Yeah, yeah, great time. And then there was cotton candy and there was funnel cake. Yeah, so you get real sick. Yeah. And then everyone went home and fell asleep for like four hours. Didn't throw up, but I definitely slept a long time. It was barbecue fest. Fun as shit.

Once a year. Barbecue Austin. I'm always wary of those festivals because I feel like, and you see in the subway a lot of them are scams. Yeah, a lot of them are scams. They show up and there's like, they take feel like, and you see in the subreddit a lot, a lot of them are scams. A lot of them are scams, yeah. They show up and there's like, they take your money, but there's really nothing there.

So it's good to hear of one that actually delivers. Yeah, this is, it's connected to the rodeo. So it's the kickoff to the rodeo at the rodeo grounds. And I've been going to this thing for like years. And that's the only reason I know about it, is we happened to go to it one time and it's like, holy shit, I can't believe this is real. So we just tell people, it's like, come, come, come, come.

It was fun as hell. It was really good. It's a great like little festival. But you guys didn't do anything for yourself? Not even anything? No. What did you do? Well, my cousin moved here and her mom came to visit

and she's like, oh, we should go get barbecue. So the day after the barbecue festival, I went and got barbecue. Where'd you go? Well, she wanted to go to Franklin. Oh my God. And so I'm like, oh yeah. Through the South line?

Yeah, so where'd you all actually go? Uh-huh, exactly. I'm like, you check it out and let me know if the line's pretty easy, we'll come and meet you. And she's like, no problem. And then she drove by it and went, hey, let's go to Mickle Thwait. Mickle Thwait opened a brick and mortar.

Have you guys seen it? Yeah, I've been there, but I've seen it. It's on Springdale and Tani, Tannery? Something like that. It used to be a church. Yeah, it used to be a church. And it's kind of like near airport in Springdale. Is it near that place we used to hang out? On Springdale? Our friend's house? It's really close. A little in Springdale. Is it near that place we say hang out?

On Springdale? Our friend's house? It's really close. A little, a few blocks further up. That puts it in perspective. I don't want to dox a friend. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

It's an old church. It's converted. It has a inside seating area and then a big outdoor patio area and everything. You have to park on the street. There's no like parking lot for it. You just have to park on the street. There's no like parking lot for it. You just have to park on the street. And that's-

That kind of sucks. It does, especially like if you live there, but- Was it pretty crowded? No, we went at like 1130 noon, something like that on like a Sunday. And it was not bad. We sat inside. There was like, we waited behind two people.

It was easy. I used to, I used to tell help people go to that KG barbecue. Yeah, yeah. I was telling people until last time we went there was like an hour and a half line. Oh, yeah. Now I just tell people to go to that Mum Foods place. Yeah, Mum's food. So Mum Foods has a stall at Q2 Stadium now. Oh, great. Yeah, they're doing.

So if you ever go to an Austin FC game, strong sandwich. You're welcome. Mum Foods. Yeah. I'm going to put up a strong sandwich. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I went to, I've been to McCoy many times, but I went one time about seven years ago. And it's like right when they were taking off. Like it used to be you could just show up and get food.

Then it was like, you would show up and wait, you know, 20 minutes in line. Oh yeah. So it was like right at that hour, where it was like really starting to kind of, it was just like the beginning of it taking off. And I showed up and it was like a Saturday for lunch with some people.

And then there was kind of a longer line than normal. It's like, that's weird. Like a 30, 40 minute long line. I was like, we're already here, we'll wait. And then like a camera crew showed up. And I guess a Food Network was filming like a show about it. The barbecue thing is like, oh no. So we, you know, we get our food and we sit down.

And then like, as we're eating, they come by with the camera, like stick it in your face, like, oh, what does the brisket taste like? Like, I just want to eat. I don't want to do this. I just came for the beef rib. Yeah, yeah, it is for a living. I don't want to talk to your camera.

I'm not getting paid for this. I'm not joining this for free. You just feel like, I'm sorry, I'm the union, I can't appear on this. I really recommend Nickel Thwait. That's a great, I like their brisket a lot. I like they have a, they have some pretty decent sausages. I like their turkey.

That's a great little spot. They're really known for the beef rib was like their signature thing for so long. And in the cooler months, they used to make like a homemade moon pie. But they haven't done that in years because the dude who made it, like left doesn't work there anymore.

So they don't have the homemade moon pie more. That used to be excellent. That's been a few years now. Do you guys go on tears where it's like, all you want is barbecue and then you're like, and then for like three months, you're like, I just don't. For like the first 15 years I lived here.

Yeah, okay. Then you go through like, I go to barbecue a couple of times a year phase. Now I'm in the, I enjoyed eating barbecue with you at the festival and I probably won't eat it again this year. Or if somebody comes in from out of town. I don't ever, ever crave barbecue anymore.

I know if I left I would, but once I don't have access to it, but I never think about it. Just want to call back. Rudy's potato still has its grab on me every now and then. I'll go pick one up with some things. All about the Rudy's potato. Potatoes are different.

That's a whole different story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's that baked potato trailer around the East side I drove by the other day. Have you been there? No. There's a baked potato trailer? It's over by Descada Tacos, which by the way are the best fucking tacos on earth,

if you haven't had those. I have not been there. They're the ones that got Michelin starred. That trailer is phenomenal. But anyway, across the street, so it's like 11th and kind of over where the East Side Pies is on the East Side, the original. Rosewood?

Rosewood, somewhere like maybe a block past that or right around there. Descada's on the South Side and then on the North Side is this red baked potato store trailer. And I'm like, I don't know what to talk because they have like an indoor eating area but all the food is from the trailer, I think. Oh, cool. I've never been area, but all the food is in the trailer. I think.

Oh, cool. I've never been there, but I think about you every time I drive by. Yeah, we should get a potato. I'll take it. We should do maybe the next episode. Maybe the next episode should be a potato episode. Yeah, I'm fine with that. All right.

I was cleaning out the glove compartment in my car over the weekend. And it's like, I pulled it out, like all these old cards and like loyalty shit. It's like, I forgot about this. Yeah. I pulled out a loyalty card from Man Bites Dog. They've probably been out of business for 10 years at this point. What is Man Bites Dog? It was a hot dog restaurant.

Oh wow. It was on Maynard for a while. It was a trailer on Maynard. Then it was a brick and mortar over there where Chew Sando is now. Yeah. It closed down, then it became Way South Philly Deli. Then that closed down and now it's Chew Sando. I went into that Way South Philly Deli. Then that closed down and now it's true Sando.

I went into that Way South Philly Deli one time to eat and there was nobody in the store and I waited there for a minute and then some lady came out and she was just like, what do you want? And I was like, I don't know that I want anything. And it was like one of the most unpleasant, unfriendly experiences, I never went back.

I liked Way South Philly too until that day. They're gone. Damn. Yeah, Man Bites Dog was an awesome hot dog restaurant in like 2002. I think it was a long time ago. It was a long time ago. I was shocked when I found that.

I should have brought it. I tossed it. I was like, I found that loyalty card. Like, man, could have had a free hot dog. Damn. Get to Toronto's main venues like Budweiser Stage and the new Rogers Stadium with Go Transit. Thanks to Go Transit's special online e-ticket fairs, a $10 one-day weekend pass offers unlimited

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Like stuff that is just like, I don't think this is, this isn't in this state. And also there's no way it exists anymore. Like pamphlets and like receipts and shit. It's something that's important. You have one point that you forget about it. Yeah, and then you put it in the glove box. Oh dude, I gotta keep this.

I love the spring cleaning of life. I didn't do my car over the weekend, but we did something sort of adjacent to it. We went through all of our towels and washcloths and like kitchen towels and washcloths and kitchen towels and just got rid of anything that was old or gross. And then what we were left with was a weird mishmash of different eras of stuff. We had towels from Italy before she knew me.

I had shit that I'd been carrying around forever. And so we just donated it all and just bought new bath towels and new like washcloths and stuff. Linen's and exactly what we needed. And it feels like, I feel like I'm in a fancy hotel. I've never done that. It's amazing. And it wasn't expensive. It was like 60 bucks or something.

What you're describing, I've never done in my life. I don't think I'd ever done it either. We should, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pitch that to my wife. Life hack. Yeah, it was cool. It was a really fun experience. It's like now I have six towels and they're all the same wife. Life hack. Yeah, it was cool. It was a really fun experience. It's like now I have six towels and they're all the same color.

What? Life hack, do towels. I was like, I don't, because we were like, at some point you just accumulate so much shit too. Yeah. We donated nine towels. Oh my God. And now we have six towels.

Huh. That's just math. That's just math. Classic math guys. Yeah. So I recommend people do that. Refresh your towel situation. Take a look at them.

Take a look at it. When was the last time you went through like shirts and got rid of stuff? I do it pretty constantly. Do you? Well, I had the, you might've been the same way, but the last like six or seven years of Rooster Teeth, Gus and I were getting, I don't know,

10 new shirts a week from the company. Every new product comes through and so you wanna do your best to wear it and hold onto it. But pretty quickly, if your company is literally giving you 120 shirts a year, you gotta start churning through stuff. So I kinda always am doing that.

We call that the Chris Damaris wardrobe. Dude, no kidding. That guy is never not wearing a free t-shirt. About a year and a half ago, I discovered that Michaels has Gildan shirts for $3. Oh my God, yeah. So I bought five white shirts and five black shirts. This is one of those black shirts.

Hell yeah. I got rid of everything else and I just have those tin shirts now. I was doing, I bought some stuff at Joanne Fabric and now Joanne Fabric is fucking gone. I went to a Joanne Fabric over the weekend. Oh my God, really? It's like they got their big sale of getting rid of stuff.

Yeah. I saw someone wearing a South by badge in there. Really? I was like, what are you doing? Picking up some shit that they need last minute. They're supposed to be on the pallet. Yeah, I got it. Check it out, baby. No, she was definitely not doing that.

Wow. She was shopping with her mom. Dude, Joanne Fabric going out of business. It's such a bummer. Yeah. I went there a lot. I would get four way stretch spandex for like lucha masks or whatever.

And there was always stuff on sale. I get it. There's some stuff that makes sense there, but they also had a lot of garbage. There's a lot. That place was mostly garbage. Well, they all are. Michael's is mostly garbage too.

Hobby Lobby, don't go there, but they are also mostly garbage. Yeah, it's like, man, there's a lot of stuff. It's like this is just manufactured and it's gonna go straight to the landfill. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of like fabrics that are like, yo, check it out, this is specifically for Easter.

It's mostly products that they launch 50% off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're paying full price, that's a sucker. You're a sucker. I never thought of it that way and that's absolutely shut it off. Yeah. Yeah. If you're paying full price, that's a sucker. You're a sucker. I never thought of it that way and that's absolutely what it is.

Yeah. It's launching on sale. Damn. Yeah, that's, I don't know. It going out of business is crazy, but also that's just a lot of brick and mortar now. Like, no mortar on Amazon. Like.

It's consolidation. Yeah. I mean, what do you do? You can't be heartbroken that Joanne Fabric is going out of business. You know what I mean? An old staple. Yeah, right? It's just that. And Staples is still in business. They don't have any locations in Austin.

Oh, maybe think of Office Depot. Yeah, Office Depot's around. Office Depot's, I went there the other day. That place is sad. Oh no. There's not a staple on Burnet. Is that an Office Depot? On Burnet. Or on Anderson, rather? On, that's an Office Depot. It's an Office Depot. See, not a staple on Burnet. Is that an Opstipo? On Burnet.

Or on Anderson, rather? On that, that's an Opstipo. It's an Opstipo? See, they're like all the same. It might have. Like there used to be one in Mueller too, but now that's at Sprouts Grocery. And then there used to be one in the Triangle.

That's where the natural grocer is now. Did it used to be a Staples right there at Lamar and Ultaar, or was that always an Opstipo? That was an Opstipo. It was always an Office Depot. We should start a website called, was it a Staples? And you can put in an address and it tells you if a Staples ever existed there.

Why do you wanna do a G in that for the arena? From like 2007, there was a Bond Me trailer at that Office Depot. Oh yeah. Or Office Max, whatever it is, right there at Old Torf and Lamar. That was so fucking good. I forgot about that.

Whatever happened to it, but that place was awesome. That was a good place. That's time machine food is right there at Old Thorfin Lamar. That was so fucking good. I mean, whatever happened to him. But that place was awesome. That was a good place. That's time machine food travel right there. If I could, I'd go back and eat there. Oh, what would be the spot? If you could time machine. Tenderland.

What is Tenderland? Oh. Tenderland, I missed, I think about Tenderland like once a month. What was that? Yeah. It was a place over on Mainer. It's where like unit D pizzeria is now. It was a little trailer in front of that building

before they actually tore that building down and rebuilt it. But they served like pork tenderloin sandwiches. But I think it was like an Iowa style or something, right? Where they like pound it down super thin and it gets all massive. It's like the bigger than the bun thing. And it's like the bun is like comically small on top of it.

And they would put like mustard and onions and pickles on it. And it was so fucking delicious. But they were only around for maybe two years. Yeah, and I miss it. I used to live close to there and I would go there all the time. There's a Mediterranean trailer over there that's pretty good.

Abu Youssef, have you ever been there? No. Yeah, I think that's what it's called. It's kind of in the same spot. That was, yeah. I think what happened was they got kicked out because that building is gonna get torn down and rebuilt like how it looks now. And they were on Facebook at the time, they're like, yeah, we're gonna move, we're gonna

find a new spot. And they just never did. Unity is not there anymore, right? It's not? I think it's something else now. I don't go over that area much anymore. I don't either. It's like where, what, there's that like butcher there, right?

That place people love. Dai Doi. Dai Doi, that's it. I think Dai Doi is still there. Although Salt and Tom closed. I don't know if you saw you saw that i did i drove by there and i saw it was gone yeah it's a new place now it's a butcher salt and time closed yeah oh closed a kind of a big deal closed a couple maybe six months ago wow i didn't realize a new butcher there i don't know if it's open yet but it's it looks like it's built out huh i bought a giant ribeye there once

it's about my brisket's in there dude if you wanted to spend way too much money on a briskets all the time was the place to go Oh really like another place to charge you 75 bucks to this brisket the week. Oh, we'll give it to you for one eight Have you seen the bullshit going on around here, I don't think so I believe it was I could be wrong I believe it was Dan Patrick is introducing legislation to the Texas legislature to rename the New York Strip the Texas Strip because why should liberal New York get credit for hard-working Texas ranchers? I believe is the exact quote he said while introducing this I'm glad that we're tackling the important issues

We've fixed all the big problems, now we can rename meat What a fucking shit show. What a fucking joke this stupid ass state is. That rocks. Is this a bottom 10 state? Yeah. I'm sure it is. Oh yeah. It's gotta be right? It has to be.

I think I have a tweet draft that's just been in forever. I'm just had a tweet draft that just says Texas is a bottom 10 state. Like easily. It's gotta be. I think in almost any category you could think of it. It's certainly a bottom 10 state in personal freedoms. I just can't, like, I think it's a hard argument

for bottom five, but I think you can easily make an argument for bottom 10. Yeah, bottom 20%? Absolutely. Yeah, right? Right, I think you could definitely, I think people would be upset hearing that, but also you'd be like, right, but think about it for two seconds, and then they go, oh, okay. In most think people would be upset hearing that, but also you'd

be like, right, but think about it for two seconds. And they go, okay. In most countries, it'd be a bottom five, but most countries don't have Mississippi. Congratulations. Thank you, Arkansas, Mississippi, and West Virginia. Oklahoma. Have you seen me? I don't shit in Oklahoma.

I think Oklahoma's all right. Oh no, no, no, no, I absolutely will. Get them, get them. Have you seen the TikTok words? Just the one going, does anyone care about Nebraska? She see the TikTok words just ongoing. Does anyone care about Nebraska? She's like in Nebraska talking about it. Does anyone care about Nebraska? Because they're going to go bankrupt.

Yes. Yeah. Nobody gives a shit about Nebraska. Yeah, no, you just do it. You just finding this out. Yeah, you're just you're speed running. The thing that we're about to do is a nation. Yeah. Thanks for the heads up. Yeah. Appreciate it.

Nebraska. Anyone care about Nebraska? I don't even think I've flown over Nebraska. I don't know if I have either. Right? That's a funny way to think about it. Oh yeah, I think it's pretty bold to call yourself a flyover state

when no one flies over you. Flyover state. It's a fly around state. Yeah, it's a fly around state. Yeah, we'll just kind of curve around this. We're gonna be turning, turning to the left to avoid any Nebraska airspace. We don't wanna go into the engines, these are expensive.

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South by is not so bad because people come and go over the course of like a week and a half, a few weeks, F1 is just like all in one week and it's not more concentrated. It gets really bad, yeah? Like- Super crowded. Cause it's, I don't know like until I'd flown with you.

I guess I just didn't realize that like all planes take off from the same place and you are this little plane and you get in line behind like the Delta plane and in front of like the United plane and you go right here to yeah. Yeah, it definitely is like we're all taking off right fellows. The funny thing is most of those people who are flying those big planes, they started out in that little one too. Exactly, yeah, yeah.

So it's like they understand, they know. It's like, yeah, that was me a few years ago. I just never thought, like, I just never think about, it's like, well, of course that's where you take off from. It's the airport. Right. It's like, yeah, I'm sure if you ever like look out the window while you're taxiing,

like on a commercial flight, you'll see the little planes like, you'll see the little planes. You'll see the little planes like, like, clutting around too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm never gonna sit at the window. My wife wants to sit at the window while you're taxiing like on a commercial flight. Yeah, you'll see a little bit of little plants around. Yeah. Yeah. I never going to sit at the window. My wife wants to sit. I got to say, I'm very, very, very, very, very rarely jealous of God, very rarely.

What about we're having a conversation when we're like, he's like, oh, I might go fly today. Am I not? Yeah, whatever. Sky's the limit, right? I love it. And I'm about to leave this coffee shop to go to a different coffee shop to do research on Woodsy the owl.

I must admit, I got a bit of jealousy from you. Woodsy the owl's an interesting topic. Is that why you're in Smokey the Bear? Hell yeah. We went to Disney a couple weeks ago and everybody was buying merch. And I just, I love Disney like a normal adult, but I just can't see owning anything with Donald Duck on it.

No, I'm not a Disney characters guy. But they had a Woodsy the Owl and a Smokey the Bear shirt, and I bought those. And I was thinking about how ridiculous it is that I- Disney owns them? I feel so, or they license it at Frontierland, or not Frontierland, even it was at California Adventure in one of those places. But- Carsland. It's a move by the even it was at California Adventure in one of those places.

But- Carsland. It's a move by the federal government to monetize. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was in Toe Mater's shop. It was that, but I was thinking like, these are essentially marketing campaigns by the US Forestry Service in the 70s,

but I feel so like strongly affectionate toward them. No, I feel the same way. I think that's why I'm gonna do an episode. I think it's funny that. You mentioned Disney and you know, these four shoe service promotional cartoons and whatnot. I was at a Vietnamese restaurant over the weekend and they had a TV on that was playing,

I guess like modern Looney Tunes. Yeah. I guess it was, I don't know how recent they were, but not like Looney Tunes not made in the Ford show. Yeah, they are still making Looney Tunes, yes. And I like, you know, it's like, oh, what's going on? Like Daffy Duck's talking to Bugs Bunny and Porky Pig shows up or whatever.

And then look away, eating my food, look back at the TV. And Donald Duck, sorry, Daffy Duck is riding up an escalator. And I had to like put my utensils down. I was like, why is Daffy Duck on an escalator? Like, what's going, is Bugs Bunny gonna pull out a cell phone next? It was like such a weird thing to see. They interact with technology. Like a modern, or not even that modern,

a piece of technology. Yeah, if you would have- When were escalators invented? This is- Which made me start thinking about that. I don't know, I didn't take the step to look it up. I was like, you would never see them do that in the 40s. So escalators must have been introduced in the 50s or 60s I think they came out in

the 80s if you would have kept in the saw right you'll find out if you would have kept watching that you definitely would have seen Bugs Bunny on a cell phone that that cartoon is that's what that is because it's a he was pulling a crypto scheme it's more of a like that Looney Tunes is like a sitcom Looney Tunes. It's like, it's got a story and they're going to the mall whatever, but they're still making, I think occasionally there are still like Looney Tunes and stuff that are

wacky little merry melodies, like short things or whatever. I recommend Jellystone if you haven't watched Jellystone. I hear people love that show. It's very funny. It's drawn, goofy, and it's really fun. Is it about? It's like little like 11 minute things. It's not, it's more in the vein of like

Yogi Bear uses a cell phone. But it is about Yogi Bear? It's all the Hanna-Barbera cartoons live in like a Hanna-Barbera town and it's animated, goofy, and shitty, and it's great. Oh, like Laugh Olympics style style where there's just like other like different properties. Oh yeah. Everyone's around.

Yeah. And it has, it has so many characters that like you went, oh, I fucking remember that guy from one little spin-off shitty seventies. It's all Hanna-Barbera? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all Hanna-Barbera. So it can be like Grape Ape or? Oh yeah. Grape Apes there. Yeah. Yeah.

Jabberjaw? Yeah. Jabberjaw is there. Yeah. Yeah. They have, they have one little guy that I made like a Twitch emote and his name's like Yucka Yucka and he's just like this little hyena guy in like a pork pie hat and he just looks fucking stupid.

And I just went, that's my guy. Whatever he does, I'm in. But yeah, it's like, hey, here's Top Cat. He's like fighting like this other gang and like they're just, it's a goofy cartoon. It's on Macs. Okay, I'm gonna listen to that. I'm gonna listen to that. Oh great, yeah. Top Cat loses an arm. Yeah they are it's a very fun it's a

very fun show that has really cool animation that I can't recommend enough and I had a friend that did some animation Gene Goldstein did a some really cool animation for it and everything and it's great it's such a it was such a fun show. And then shockingly, it only had a few seasons and they didn't renew it. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy?

Yeah, isn't that crazy? That's nuts. It's funny you said about knowing someone who animated it. Cause I was watching that modern Looney Tunes. I thought, man, someone's out there drawing Bugs Bunny today. Like, that's a, it's kinda cool. There's someone out there voicing Bugs Bunny today.

By the way, there is somebody out there drawing Bugs Bunny right now, having sex with Daffy Duck. I mean, like in the official canonical episode. See, we're all, we all have different afternoons. Do you guys do a TvT beverages? No, no, no, sorry. No, no, I'll get you. Yeah. Thanks. Uh, what'd you say? Uh, oh, do you remember-

Bugs Bunny having sex with Daffy Duck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were way back, talking about, yeah, Bugs Bunny having sex with Daffy Duck. Do you remember going way, way, way back to Jaycon in Florida? We went early, early Rooster Teeth days and we would go to that,

maybe the first or the second time we went to that event. Like, 04, 05, 05 maybe? With Joel. It was Joel and Dan, I believe were there. We went with Joel and that girl came over to show her art. And she had this book, like a photo album. This is so cool. With art in like binder sleeve tapes.

And she's like, can I show this to you Joel? And Joel's like, yeah, okay, sure. We're signing autographs or whatever. And she puts it down in front of her. And she goes, okay can I show this to you, Joel? And Joel's like, yeah, okay, sure. We're signing autographs or whatever. And she puts it down in front of him. And she goes, okay, this is Pumba. This is Lion King. This is Bugs Bunny. This is Anaconda.

This is me having sex with an Anaconda. This is Pumba and... Timon. Timon Eiffel Towering me. This is me having a threesome with Bell and the Beast. And it just got more and more. And just watching Joel not know how to handle it and just like short circuit and kind of break down.

And it was all really good art too. Like she's really good at it. You're super talented, we should hire her. I think as time went on, we learned how to deal with those situations, but this was early enough where we had never dealt with anything like that. And it was just like, deer in the headlights, like, what do I do here? I've never experienced this in my life. I was like physically far enough away from it to be able to watch and enjoy

without feeling like a part of it. So I just sat and enjoyed Joel's discomfort. What the fuck? So how would you have how would you have handled it now? You said like it's been a while. But now it's like you close it. You're like, OK, thank you for sharing. We have a line here.

I think we need to keep dealing with these people. Here you go. Keep it up. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, that's really. Yeah. You got a lot of talent. I think now over time, you learn to take the initiative a lot more. Yeah. To like cut it off, to got a lot of talent. I think now, over time, you learn to take the initiative a lot more. I mean, to like- Cut it off. To cut it off and like shortcut to the end.

I just don't agree. Like, I think that you have to get, like if that was the Mega64 booth, I'd be all like, wow, this is pretty crazy. You know who would love this? Garrett. Yeah, yeah. But that's why Mega64,

he's still in business and Rooster Teeth isn't. So maybe think about that. Yeah, this is- About which way is better. You're not gonna believe this. I gotta go. We would have done that to get it to Joel, but it started in Joel.

Like that's how that would have gone with us. We would have been like, oh my God Joel, you're gonna love this. You're gonna love, wait until she gets to A and I got to. Anyway, look at your watch. My shift's over. I just remembered I have to be anywhere uh... Yeah. Anyway, look at your watch. My shift's over. I just remembered I have to be anywhere else. Yeah.

You're holding me like medium to medium. Oh my God. Oh shit, dude. That was fucking crazy. I don't miss conventions. Uh-uh. I miss the fun that we had around conventions. I don't miss conventions.

Conventions to me, I was thinking about it the other day, are I occupy an identical space in my brain that the military does. I would never want to go back and wear the uniform or go through one day of being in the army again, but I look back on it so fondly and with so much pride, and I can think of all the great times I had, but I don't forget all the shitty times I had too

that made me never want to do it again. Exact same feelings toward conventions. Yeah. I cherish every ridiculous moment you and I had or the three of us had. Yeah. We spent a lot of time together. Yeah, yeah.

But you couldn't pay me enough to work a booth again. Anyway, we're looking at doing events again with Tales from the Stinky Dragon. Oh my God. Are you really? Yeah. Wow. Are you fucking serious?

Yeah. You can go sit and do a booth and do a little thing? Hold on. You got a leaf. Who? It went down went down your sweater. No, it would be different It wouldn't be like working a bull it's more like doing a panel and maybe a meet and greet But like I like to fool like shipping and unloading that that's the way we did it Yeah, she didn't do it like we see stop doing it that way after we stopped doing it. Yeah Yeah, yeah, nobody. Yeah. No one else was suckers stop making money

Take that. I was the only two that knew how to make a fucking buck. That's right. I like the side talk. It like again, I don't miss the convention stuff because Mega 64 still does it. And when I see them post stuff and it's like goofy fuck around whatever I get. That's really like the only time I get like FOMO. Like I'll see that and I'm like, fuck man,

I would love to be there. Yeah, but you forget the five hours. And that is the thing. And then, and then I put my phone down and I go, I'm in my house with all my things. Just imagine that. Dude, just imagine going from your hotel to the booth. Yep.

That process, just going down the street, it's fucking probably hot and humid and you're getting bumped into by people and it it's loud, and it's obnoxious, and people are trying to give you stuff and sell you stuff, and they're stopping you. There's not even any free barbecue. There's no free barbecue. There's no free beer anywhere. No free shots on a tray. And you're fucking jostling through, and then somebody hassles you about your badge being backwards,

and you're like, God damn it, dude, it's an exhibitor badge. Come on, do we really have to do this? I need to, oh man. I remember one time, San Diego Comic Con, God it was probably 2010, maybe 2009, somewhere in that era. And I was walking, I think we were staying at that like, what was it, like, it was like the next hotel attached to the convention area, like a Marriott or a Sheridan or whatever that was.

And I was walking from the event back to the hotel actually. It was like the end of the day, I'm tired, I got, you know, carrying my shit back and I was wearing that Red Versa Blue shirt, the I hate you and the bands that you like. Oh yeah. And like walking in the direction with some girl who like stops me, she gets in front of me and she's like, you don't even know the bands that I like. Oh my god. And I was like, I, not right now. I cannot be having this conversation. I was like, just like stepped around her and just kept going. I was like, I'm not doing this.

Listen, fuck off. The first part of the statement is very true right now. Yeah. Yeah. You don't even know the bands I like. Right, the beginning stands. Right. The thing that I think like, I think the thing that I would have the hardest time with conventions now is being hung over

in my 20s and then going to work the booth was like, this sucks, it's fine. I could not do that now and there's no way I'm turning down free drinks. So what's the happy medium? I guess it's not going. Yeah. I think for me, I have as much patience as I did back then, but I don't have patience stamina. Yeah. Oh, that's a great, that's a really good, yeah.

I think that would be the killer for me. I would just get exhausted fast. I just wouldn't have, I wouldn't be able to hold. I think, I think if you guys do events and you just do a panel and a meet and greet thing or whatever, I think that's a great, that's a great thing. That's like for 100% eat, we've done that once now.

We have twice when it comes back in like July, but there's like a fan meetup thing or whatever that's like kind of on the back of what RTX was. And they rent out like the sunset room. And they asked like, hey, do you guys wanna do a, you know, wanna do a panel here or whatever? And it's like, we'll just do an episode. So we just go, we do an episode and that's a blast.

And then we pack it up and then I go home to all my things. And I don't have to be at a hotel. You know what I mean? It's that. That's the, now here's the other time I get jealous. I'm a little jealous of a hundred percent even that because regulation will never do it. Andrew and Gavin are never gonna let that happen.

And that's fine. I respect that. But I will, I don't miss going to conventions. I do miss doing live events. For doing this for being on stage. Yeah, the live event, because you know how long you're there and it's not five days with a preview. And it's fun to be just good at that.

You know what I mean? Like it is a great experience to perform in that way. Yeah, we can figure it out for something else, but man, it's gonna be, when it's not regulation, that's gonna be the expectation, that's the hard part. I don't want anybody to know. I don't want to offer them less than what they deserve. And that truly is like,

I think that's a big reason why we don't, for like regulation or whatever, and it's not all of us. So we can't. And that's the point of regulation. It's gotta be the majority, right? And if the majority isn't in it, or if the minority is super opposed to it, yeah, that's fine. It's cool.

There are a million other ways we can express ourselves creatively. I don't I'm not like fussed about it. Yeah, but I must admit that I on occasion. I do have a minor limit. Yeah, would love would love to do more of that stuff to think live shows are just like a lot of fun. I also want to tour like just, but like selfishly I want to go on a like three day thing where it's like hit Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis. You know what I mean?

Like, you know, yeah, you know what I mean? Like that kind of thing where you hit like three cities in like an area that's like a little different, LA, San Francisco, that kind of thing. And that, that would be fun. Yeah. Dungeon Daddy's did a European tour last year. Yeah. Like five cities, like, man, that's like a good way to subsidize your vacation. Yeah Yeah, you're going for a really do P quad. Oh my god. Jesus Christ all the major spots

Um being whole day you were talking about patience Yeah, and your patient stamina and whenever I hear the word patience it like takes me back to work at the call center Yeah, you're being because like the most common phrase we heard all the time as you were helping an old person was, oh, you have the patience of Job. Yeah. Oh yeah. I don't know how many times a day I heard that. I wonder if that's a phrase that dies with that generation.

I mean, it's religious, but- Well, yeah, I just, I don't think, I'm asking Gen Z all the time who Job is and they don't know, so. Yeah, really, the guy from Rest in Development. Yeah, they're rest in development's falling off. They don't keep up don't know. So. The guy from rest of all. Yeah, it's falling off. They don't keep up with it anymore. Yeah.

We should talk about better half a little bit. Killer spot. If a guy asked, we wanted weed drinks. We said no. It's South by. Uh-huh. He's loading up a U-Haul van now. There's a man.

He's about to give us a U-Haul van. A free weed. There's a man in the silliest hat over there. But better half itself. He looks like the dude with Curious George. That's exactly. The man in the yellow. Exactly.

The white hat. Yeah, the man in the yellow hat. The man in the yellow hat. Except it's like. No, no, it's just. This is a, if I lived around here, killer spot. This place rules. Do you still live around here?

And I came here all the time. This is a great spot. But then here, killer spot. This place rules. I used to live around here and I came here all the time. This is a great spot. But then how'd you not know about the parking? Ah. Stop, stop. Because it wasn't, didn't exist. So matter of fact, Emily and I reconnected here. Like when we,

Is that right? Because we dated and then broke up a couple of times. And when we finally reconnected for the last time, it was against the far wall in there. Oh wow. That's a pretty cool parking area. We got coffee together. And then.

This is a great spot. They have a pretty extensive menu. See people eating french fries at 11am. The problem that this place has and it's no fault of theirs is that we're here right after doing St. Cecilia Hotel. Oh yeah. Which was like impossible to top. Yeah, no kidding. God. But this place is phenomenal. This is a great Americana. There's a good cup of coffee. You want to go to dinner at St. Cecilia's soon? Yeah.

I think it'll be something together. Oh my god. Yes, please. We're busy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I would invite you to go. I'm flying at that time. No, no, no. I'm good. I'm good. Thank you. I would. I only He projected it. I didn't say anything.

No, I'm just letting you know. I only don't invite you to save you the discos of having to say no. Because I know you'll say no. I understand. Based on the 30 years of friendship that we've had. The... I want to come back here and get something to eat because I bet the food is pretty decent. It's pretty good.

Because the coffee is pretty good. The pastry selection was small. It was really small. I was expecting to see a case of pastries. This just seems like a pastry spot. And then you go, oh, they have like food. This is like a restaurant. That's what I did get in this game.

Yeah. The coffee I really enjoyed. How was the ice coffee? The cold brew? It was fine. It was like 7.9. It wasn't the best stuff I've had, but- It's on draft.

This place makes up for it in every other way. The ambiance is great. Parking is obviously great. Hey, listen. Indoor, outdoor, gorgeous. Huge lot back on 4th Street. Yeah, just head back and forth. Yeah, if you don't want to park

in the plentiful parking lot directly in front, if you want to do that at extra 40 steps or whatever, go to the back. Sometimes I'll argue with you, take the extra time and gas to go to the back. I would never call that plentiful in the front. I mean, there were four spaces for you to pick from, but sure.

Four. I would say this Americano is probably like an 8. I mean, there were four spaces for you to pick from, but sure. Four. I would say this Americano is probably like an 8.5. Yeah, this is, the coffee's right there, it's 8.85. It's very good. They also, oh, here to go. And we got here and we got very cool mugs. And I will say the mug was very small and the coffee went very fast,

but he's like, oh, there's like you can refill in here. I just didn't get up in a refill because that would have been my third cup. And I also I think this place is open till midnight or later because it's a brewery as well. So yeah, this is all new. This wasn't here last time I told us at 11 p.m. 10 p.m. But yeah, holdout brewery. You can check out. Yeah.

So check out holdout in the Avengers font. Yeah, come back to hold out in the Avengers font The H is just missing that little you and Hawkeye can park in the back and then come and check it out This mug reminds me of kettle remember kettle so old shitty diner. Yeah, of course. Where was kettle does look like kettle? Yeah, there's one like just south of old tour you ever been to grandies And they were on 35. Yeah, there was one like just south of Old Tor. You ever been to Grandys? No. Same thing.

Very similar. Gyms? Gyms, it's like a gyms. Got it, got it, got it, got it. This is the kind of mug that I like. I love a mug like this. So, good stuff. Well-

It's brown for the audience. It is. It looks like from the 70s. It's brown and it's small. Yeah. And this is the kind of mug where you go to like, I love like a greasy spoon kind of diner or whatever, where they just keep coming around and refilling the coffee and you have a mug that's this size

and you get about halfway and you just never see the bottom of the cup. They just keep refilling it and keep refilling it. And then you have 10 cups of coffee and you're like, I'm gonna drive home. That's my shit. I love that. The Chessmanian devil was running around like a dog.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In that loony tunes I watched. Yeah, I'm telling you, man, Jellystone. That's gonna be more your vibe. He should be up on two legs. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the loony tunes I watched. Yeah, I'm telling you, man, Jellystone, that's gonna be more your vibe. He should be up on two legs. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, he's got a, he should be trying to eat the rabbit. Yes. Honestly.

He was actually like a dog to Bugs Bunny and I did not like that. Doesn't make any sense. While we're talking about TV, just so everybody knows, Temptation Island, the Netflix version starts this week. Very excited. If you're listening to this, it's probably over,

so go back and watch Temptation Island. Yeah, I'm sure it was good. Probably there you go. That's why we don't listen to Gus's recommendations. Oh, there you go. Well, yeah. Well, thank you guys for listening. We'll be back next week.

We're getting close. Will season two be the last season of the show? Find out on episode eight, which is coming soon. This is episode five. We've got three more and that'll do it. But we'll see you next time. Bye.