ANMA - Our Guest, Gavin

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

Good morning, Gus! We're back with a new run of episodes and we're kicking it off with our friend Gavin. Not only did we stop by for a visit but we also forced him to make us coffee. How does Gavin's brew hold up against our recent greats? Listen and find out as Gus and Geoff also talk about podcasting with a Gus gap, Food poisoning, Meeting Gavin in England, Saving the website, Disasters & conventions, Slow Mo Guys bucket list items, Working with Guy Richie, and Achievement Hunter. Did you know our Mug came out? It's on sale at store.roosterteeth.com. Sponsored by Uncommon Goods http://uncommongoods.com/ANMA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And we're here. We're doing a special edition of Animal. We've had something's been a long time coming. That's how that's so awkward, but it wasn't. What was happening in the background was Eric was passing a mic and we were watching expectantly. And then the person that received the mic kept the dumb mouth shut. Yeah.

Why is Joe show? What do you want from me? I don't know. I'm introductions. Good morning. and we were watching expectantly, and then the person that received the mic kept the dumb mouth shut. Yeah. Why is Joe a show? What do you want from me? I don't know, I'm introduction. Good morning, Joe. Good morning, Gavin. Hello. You don't know about this, Gavin,

but we have been planning this episode of Anna for four months. Maybe longer. Maybe longer. We were scheduled to come, and the last time we were scheduled to come here, and it was all ready to go and then Gus somehow got COVID, I believe. From someone who's sitting right next to me, recording the episode of ammo. I mean, it's possible he got it from me.

I've also had COVID in the past, but it's possibly got it from anybody on Earth. It doesn't have to be me. No, but it is possible I could get it from anyone on Earth. It is 100% truth. I got it from the person sitting in my left though. The person who gave it to me was also, spent a few months trying to deny that there was, it was clearly that.

I'm 100% gave it to them. There's no doubt about it. But yeah, so we were supposed to come back then. I think we even teased it on that episode of Animal. We did. We were gonna have a special thing next week and then we got COVID. And it's like Sunday night we had to cancel our last day.

So your plan was to come here and have dog shit expressed made by me. Yeah. Yeah, we have expressed our made by Gavin here today. And I got to say, you know, 58 episodes of Anima, this has been the slowest, the longest amount of time it's taken us to get a coffee. You really need to work on this. Yeah, well I had to get everything warm, you know.

It's a lot of the time when shops open, they expect their customers to walk in the doorbell. So we just kind of rang the doorbell and showed up this morning, Gavin had no idea. We were gonna be here. I just looked at Meg, I was like, what is this? What is this? What is this?

That was what we were going for. We wanted to, we wanted surprise and our delight. Yeah, we got out of the car and I turned Eric and I was like, should we start recording now? Like, should we just like be doing the episode as we walk up and with a ding dong? Yeah, just get the whole thing on audio. We decided against that.

We decided just to wait until we decided to wait 45 minutes for our espresso. Gavin, you are, I think, officially the fourth guest we've had in 58 episodes of this podcast. You follow in the footsteps of Frank, Becca, and Jason. Well, Becca's really getting around. Do you want to reframe that? No, I'm good with it.

She did this one first. I didn't know she did the crisp thing with you guys. It wasn't planned, she just walked by. Oh, and we ushered her in. And it turned out great, everybody loved it. And hopefully she had a good time too. So this might be my longest gap between podcasts with Gus in 11 years. Maybe, I don't know if I've seen you since April or May.

We text every now and then Gavin like saying me playing videos. There's a dude who bought a 747 and is like taking it apart and selling like individual little pieces. And he makes videos as he's like exploring the plane. Gavin loves it. He sends it to me. I mean, can you buy them for scrap? Is that something that you said? I guess that's what he did. He bought like a non-functional 747 and just like exploring all of the compartments and the stuff. I think it's super interesting.

The last video sent me those pretty gross because he's like showing the crew cab and like taking out, taking apart like the place where the crew sleeps during long flights, and he like picks up a vent, and like under it is just like 40 years of dust that's never been cleaned. That's just been sitting there. It's like a perfect shadow of that vent. It was really gross. I feel like I'm always fascinated by like disgusting dirt videos

when people like uncovered nasty shit, but everyone always puts their hands in it, and that's what is too far for me. He's always like fingering the dust. It's like what was interesting before you made it really gross. That's like the, I feel like that's the appeal if you ever watch Kitchen Nightmares.

It's like watching Gordon Ramsay find something disgusting and then stick his hands in and smell it. And then like watching him gag, it's like, oh yeah, that's what I'm here for. The rest, I turned the show off after that. Like once they start cleaning, like I don't care anymore. Is it after he cleans the rancid chicken out of the walk-in, it's over for you?

Yeah, that's okay, and I'm done. The show's over in 10 minutes. That would nobody wants to see your new carpet. They're used, they filmed an episode of Kitchen Atmer's in Austin once. Did they? Yeah, it was a Greek restaurant. It's not there anymore, since closed.

It's behind where V313 North Campus is. You know, there's like a bar or like a bar. Is that the one that looks Greek on the outside? Yeah. It looked real tacky, dog shit. Yeah, yeah. That was here. It was right behind that V313.

And I remember he came and did the local morning show, like the Fox morning show, to promote the kitchen nightmares episode that they filmed in Austin. And I remember they were interviewing him about kitchen nightmares. And Gordon Ramsay wanted to talk about anything except for kitchen nightmares. Like, they could not show, he just kept talking about Uchi the entire time. Like, they could not get him to talk about the show or anything. He's like, have you been to Uchi? Man, the sushi's there.

It's great. It's just really funny. You just him derailing the entire segment to promote his own show. Is it true that most of the restaurants that he helps just fall apart almost to be? Yeah. Well, they're beyond saving at that point. They're just like, yeah, it's a hail Mary. And I don't think it almost never works.

Yeah. I think it does. Yes, sometimes, but it's, it's also like if you look into it, the other big show he does, not MasterChef, but, Tell's Kitchen. All, like, you know, that every season the winner is vying for an opportunity

to go be the head chef at a Gordon Ramsay restaurant somewhere around the world. I think as of like, they're much further now, I could watch it around like season 10, but I think as of like season 10, only one or two people ever filled those positions. Like it almost never works out, visa-wise, or they like offer them a payout and they take that instead,

but it almost never actually resulted in anybody being a chef at a Gordon Ramsay restaurant. People pick the money over the job. Sometimes that take it's just offer to them or sometimes just like nothing happens. Like it just does it's just like the person's going like, I don't know, I don't know what ever happened. I was supposed to be the head chef in Tahoe and I just never heard of anybody. I ate at the Gordon Ramsay restaurant in Vegas and one of the health kitchen winners

was the chef there. Like they make it a point. It's like, that's cool. Out front, it's like on the menu, like, you know, and you can see the person like walking around and like, oh, they're the person is. That's one of the worst cases of food poisoning I've ever had in my life. And I think it was the squid ink risotto.

Cause I remember, I've never had squid ink risotto, but I tried it there cause I was like, it's the Gordon Ramsay restaurant, there's the Hell's Kitchen person. And I remember eating it and thinking, I've never had squid and crozoto, but this doesn't taste right. And I was there for a conference for work.

Oh no. And I spent the entire next day running to the bathroom like non-stop between like conferences. RT conference? Yeah, okay. I watched you run out of a panel once to throw up I think. Yep.

That was in Dallas. Acon 2006. Yep. I was a,. Acon 2006. Yep. I was a, I got very sick. Had to run out, threw up, then this immediately came back and got right, right back. We hung over. No, I think I'd eat something bad again.

I have a very sensitive stomach. It's very easy for me to, uh, to get in food poisoning. I'm the same way now. I think also Millie took her first steps at that. Oh, yeah. I think you're right. Now she's 18, so that's my step. How old were you when we met Gavin?

Because we met back in 04, was it? Yeah, you came to England. We did that event in London. Yeah, so I would have been 60. Are we little gaff? We, I remember we met at that. So I was there with Jason and Joel for that event, and we met you at that bar.

That was right on the bank of the Thames. You couldn't drink. You were there with your other friend when it's like me and Jason drinking, and you were just sitting there, and we were just hanging out. Yeah, it was pretty surreal. And I think it's all because I was one of the only people

that Jason knew of in England. So he just DMed me on the site and said, Hey, I'm Jason O'Connor. I never knew who you were there. He said, hey, I'm all up by big ban and shit. It's what you're staying in Westminster? Yeah, I had no idea. It was my first time in London.

And at the time, the exchange rate was dog shit. So it was like $2 to one town. That was such a great time to come here. And I was like, man, I just got a book like a cheap place for us to stay. And I was like, I wanted to book a room all three of us could stay in. I was like, I just need some place cheap.

So I went to like the Marriott website. And I was like, where's a Marriott that's close to the event we're doing. And I found one and I was like, this Marriott's like $600 a night. What the hell? I was like, all right, but it's convenient. It's a marry-o.

No one's gonna get mad at me for like saying I picked some fancy hotel, right? I bet Bernie will. But then we get in the taxi and he drives us to Westminster. And the fucking marry-o is like a castle at the base of the London Eye right across the Thames from Big Ben. I was like, oh, we are in the, like,

if you ever watch a movie and they do an establishing shot of London, the hotel we stay at is in that establishing shot. I was like, oh, somehow just like randomly picking a marry out, I picked a fucking castle in the middle of London. Yeah, it's probably amazing. You didn't see like a James Bond being filmed. Right. So, and then so we ended up meeting right in a bar, like right at that hotel.

Should we cover that, Gav, how is it? Because you are all of our oldest friend at this point. How is it that we know you? How did you meet us? How did you discover us? How do we discover you? So that guy that you met, Gus, with me, his name was Ferry. I was in a German lesson where the teacher

didn't show up and the replacement teacher just put us all in alphabetical order. His name was Ferry, my name was free. It was like the only loser in the class. So he like durged shit like me. He introduced me to Red versus Blue. And then I just, I think it was like around the time where a lot of my friends were getting into like booze and drugs and I just wasn't into it. Yeah. As much. You chose the nerd life. Yeah, so I just made a pivot to the nerd life. And yeah, it was weird. Instead of like pivoting friend groups, I just pivoted to an all online experience. So I was just very active on the forums. Yeah. And around the time that I met you in London was right around the time the new site happened. Where we switched from the old

4th PBB to yeah. Yeah, yeah. We get that movable type template with PHPB and we switched to the the social site. Yeah, and I don't really know why I was like a standout in on the forums. I don't think I really was at the beginning. I remember you. But why though? Because you sent me such a bullshit email. We didn't have this area. Out of all, so when we read, when we were just starting, when Red vs. Blue started,

you know, I was living in Puerto Rico, so I couldn't help with the production of the episode. So, I tried to help by like helping to maintain the website and I would answer all of the email that was sent in I take care of like processing PayPal transactions, getting people access to the forums and I was basically I was customer service And I remember I was sitting at my desk at my computer in Puerto Rico And I was like clowing through all of the emails we get and I got an email from some kid who was like hey Can I get a free sponsorship and free access to the premium stuff on the website? My parents were just in a car crash and died and I said, I'm having a really hard time. I think I just replied, haha, fuck off, pay the $20.

Yeah, I think I, I don't, I think it was just on the forums too. I think I just made a new thread. I was like, hey, my entire family got wiped out and it's my birthday. Because I like I just couldn't afford it the time to have any money like zero money. And you you told me to do one. I was like, all right, that's good. And I think I became a super sponsor. Yeah. Just 20 bucks. Yeah, for the year or for the season season. And that was like a month later. So yeah, I do out of all for the season. For the season. And that was like a month for you. So yeah, I do out of all of the messages and emails

and everything, I do remember having a very early contact with Gavin while I was still in Puerto Rico sitting at my computer. But somehow you got money because the thing that I remember the most about you in those early days is I was running the store, I ran the store for the first seven years of the company, right? And so I would always launch a DVD or a t-shirt or whatever. And the thing that was crazy is that we were in different time zones, you were six or

seven hours ahead of us. And we would no matter what time of day I would launch a DVD or a messenger bag or a hoodie or whatever it was, you were the first person to buy it. To the point where I would go to Gus and I'd be like, let's see if it's the British kid again. And then we put it for sale and then like, dude, dude, dude, it'd be you.

And then like, how the fuck do you not, like did you have a camera in our office at all times? It was insane. And not too long after that, you saved us. You saved the fucking company. Do you remember that? Oh, when the... Took over the... This is probably bleeped back.

When that bleeped name... Uh... Who was a mod on the site, demoted all of the staff, and took the site over, and you caught it, and stopped it. They... I found afterwards, because they made like a secret chat when they were planning the big take down. And all of them were like, how do we get around Gav?

Like he's always on, he's always online. And then they all decided to start distracting me. So like right before that happened on aim, like six different people started talking to me. I was like, what's going on here? So yeah, I was demoted. Yeah, someone with mod access on the old website, demoted all of the mods and staff

and then started deleting everything on the website, like just going through a purge. Which they, that was a funny prank. They almost got themselves into a lot of legal trouble. Do you know to this day, he still doesn't think it was a big deal. I spoke to him maybe five years ago. It was a huge deal. And he was like, I mean, it was just a funny joke. And I was like, that's

you realize what they had? The fucked up thing was the timing too. Because it was right before Chris. It was December. We were wrapping up like our last year production. We're like, we're going to finally be able to take like a week off. And then all of this happened. And it was like, man, and you know, their defense was, oh, you can just restore from backups. It's like, we'd never really knew if the backups worked. It's like, we had backups in theory, but at the time it was me managing all the tech. Yeah.

And it was like, I don't know how to backup a SQL database. Like, so, you know, they did work, but they hadn't run like in a week if I remember right. So it's like, we had to back up from seven day old archive. It sucked. Yeah, I remember right. So it's like we had to back up from seven day old archive. It sucked. Yeah, I remember it coming back and it was, it was kind of like a bunch of glitches that happened when everything's back in time.

And like all the images that were uploaded in that week, were just showing up as blanks. And it's like, it was like kind of all funky looking. But I remember just instantly aiming everyone. I was just like, hi, hi, hi, at the company, be like everyone can help us. Yeah, so we were still at the apartment down in beauty. We were like wrapping up, it just like, hi, hi, hi, at the company, be like, everyone can help us. Yeah, so we were still at the apartment down in, but we were like wrapping up, it's like,

now we're almost done, we're gonna take some time off because we talked about how it was impossible to take time off back then, and that was the worst possible time. It was the worst possible time, and it could've, it was very nearly, very extremely revenue affecting. Yeah.

I think I see the only thing that saved it from getting legal real quick. I can't remember if this worked. It might have been like someone else with admin access like gave my mod back to me. But I remember going into the page and taking the link that changes mod status back to mod. And I remember like pasting that to people

on aim to be like to remodeling. Have you seen what's happening? I'm hoping that they would click it because they're now a mod, making me a mod so I can. And that's funny. I was trying to like combat the attack while you guys, with admin could potentially do more,

but yeah, I don't know if that ever worked. I didn't think I, it's smart, it's a good idea. Look to the mod report. Dude, you endeared yourself to us so much that day. You really did. Yeah, as if you hadn't already, but God damn them. It's weird though, because it was such a formative time. I don't blush that day. You really did. Yeah. As if you hadn't already, but God damn them.

It's weird though, because it was such a formative time. I feel like late teens is where the thing you're into then is the thing that will stick with you and be nostalgic forever. And I think it was just like, red versus blue was the main thing I cared about for all of those years. Yeah. So I just was, I was really excited to become a bigger part of it when I did.

And then you came and visited America one summer when you were 18 or 17. Yeah, someone with your dad. Yeah. And you met us in New York where we went, we did a show at the Lincoln Center. Lincoln Center. That was January or five.

I wanna say it was. Or was it all January or five. I Want to say it was was it all four this day five. Yeah, it was an August I thought it was right before Katrina. I think When was that ran? Yeah, a little bit before Katrina well right before Katrina was a packs because I remember we were flying out of Seattle. Yeah It's weird to be talking about all this stuff No one else talks like this It's weird to be talking about all this stuff. No one else. No one else talks like this.

Then Katrina was right. It was right around when Pax was. I know because Bernie would always tell that story how we found out about Katrina from a dude who was dressed up as Cloudstry for the giant sword because we've been at the event all weekend. And it wasn't a big deal for days and then it was a huge deal once. Yeah. The Fukushima. That Fukushima disaster.

That was Pax East. I remember that. That was the huge Pax East. The Fukushima. That Fukushima disaster. That was Paxies. I don't remember that one. We were like, next to you at Paxies, and that happened. We're gonna call for my girlfriend at the time because her brother lived in Japan, and she's like, you're never gonna believe what's going on right now.

And I'm like, guys, fellas, fellas, fellas. I do remember that. It is weird the things that you, in this industry set as like the landmark things you would do at that time. It's like, oh, that's right, right before ATX. Well, then you can also judge the time. Like what time of year was it?

Like, oh, it was packed. So it must have been late August, early September. So that was the thing where some other community member made me stand up because I traveled all the way from England to watch Red versus Blue that I'd already see. In the, in the, uh, maybe you stand up in the audience. Yeah. And then, uh, in front of the family

people were in the stage. There's in the, uh, a few hundred, come on again. And then I stood, and then in front of the family, people were in the stage. There's in the stage. A few hundred, come on again. And then I stood up and then you, and this is, I was really shy at the time. Like I really hated anyone looking at me. And you told everyone that my fly was down when I stood up. Why did I tell them that?

My fly was down. Ha, ha, ha, ha. You said that, I was like, get in the frame, and I was like, oh my, I'm like, he came all the way from England. Did you fly? He came all the way from England to show you his penis. And I'm filming it on a camcorder, I think, and I'm just like, oh shit.

I'm like, you're like, ducked out in my chair. Oh my god. And here we are, a hundred years later, drinking coffee on your back porch. Yeah, I never thought I'd be making you a little espresso at my house in America. What a ride. I don't know if you remember this. I wanted to step back a couple of steps here. There was actually another person in the UK who much like Gavin also bought everything

as soon as you put it on the store to the point where we were like, hey, we'll send you the stuff. Like you've already bought so much stuff. Yeah. where we were like, hey, we'll send you the stuff. Like, you've already bought so much stuff. When we make something, we'll just send it to you because you've already, they would send money randomly or pay way more for a sponsorship than it should have been. And we like, stop. We'd be like, stop, stop. We'll just send you support.

You supported us enough. Let us support you a little bit. Yeah. And we're just like so grateful for that. I don't know what it was about the UK, when you guys like something, you really liked it. But I don't remember, I remember that name was always stuck with me because it was such an unusual name. It was, I do remember that name.

Yeah, it was such a weird name. I was like, this is like some kind of bond villain. They had bond villain money, thank God. It was crazy how we would all just wait around on the forums for like three minutes of new video to come out. And then there was the gap between seasons where I think between season one and two, nothing came out.

Nothing. It was just like, we were all just hanging around, waiting for the... And that was so frustrating too, because y'all were being very patient. And the reason we have a community site, the reason we started RT Comics, the reason we started the Strangerhood because we had these gaps and we were watching our audience

go away. A lot of them go away and we were just like, we hope they come back. But the frustrating thing about that is we stopped production on episode 20 or whatever. And then the DVD production started. And then we were also behind the scenes at that time. Almost from day one, we were making videos for corporate gigs, right? For GameStop, for Microsoft. And so, that's the thing it was all the Xbox Kiosks stuff. Xbox Kiosks stuff.

It never stopped for us. Like y'all were like, okay, season one's over. Now we have to wait six months for season two. But we were like, we were still making one or two or three videos a week, every fucking week. Y'all just never saw them. Or every once in a while, somebody would find them, you know. But I was, I was, I was remembering thinking like, that was a bummer for me because the work never stopped and we never stopped making the product.

We just only got to show you some of the products, you know, and I always felt weird. And even through the DVD production, you still made a shitload of bonus stuff for the DVD. You're right. Yeah. Like I remember, because I eventually got to work on some of that for, it might have been the season five DVD where I cut together a previously on Red vs Blue by watching every episode and just clipping out every swear word from every episode. Oh, right, that was a great one. And that was like one of the first things I did.

And I just remember being, I was like, man, this is so cool. I get so much and work on Red Vestible at the same time. DVD production for those first six seasons of Red Vest's blue, I would say, was probably the most fun and simultaneously challenging thing I have ever done in my life at the same time. Like it was so much fucking fun and it was so exciting because you would go like, what else can we add?

And then somebody would have an idea and then that idea would snowball and then we were making that idea and it was always a nightmare to make but it was so fucking great and we just couldn't, we got addicted to Easter eggs. We wanted Red vs Blue DVDs to have more extra content than any other DVD on the market.

And so we would put 40 or 50 Easter eggs in DVDs. Like it was lousy with them. It was impossible to miss them. There were so many. They're a crammed it everywhere. But it sucks to be crammed all in a five gig disc. Yeah. Because eventually we have to stop.

I know. We have to stop. We have to just finish this thing and put it out. I don't like to stop. I wanted to keep Tinker to Fram. I wanted to stop all the time. It's enough. It's done.

Well, and then it would be like, all right, I think this is the disc. And then you. I wanted to stop all the time. I thought it's enough, it's done. Well, and then it would be like, all right, I think this is the disc. And then you have to test it in all the different DVD players around the world. Bernie would be like, I think we have a release candidate and then everybody would have to take it home and watch it again. He started shipping me them to be like,

make sure this works in like a region 2x box or whatever, some of that. Cause they were region zero, I guess. Yes, they were. And there was a rhyme or reason to it. You know, it was really frustrating. Yeah. Because they were region zero. I guess. Yes. There was a rhyme or reason to it. It was really frustrating. Yeah.

Like the DVD authoring software was really interesting because you saw how simple the whole thing was. It was just like a series of scripts that DVD players run and they all look at the scripts differently. Sometimes it'll work fine in every player. Sometimes it's like half the players. It works half the players as it doesn't. Just trying to test out as many different manufacturers

as possible, it's sucked. And I remember like some of the secret menus to get to an e-streg would act differently on different players. Like sometimes those fake buttons would like interrupt where the cursor went on a menu, be like, why is it going over to nothing? Or sometimes an e-strike just auto plays

when you go to a screen. Which sometimes you want it. Sometimes, but a lot of times you didn't. Yeah, it's like, does the player interpret down on the remote the same as right on the remote? Like if you hit right, will it go down or if it right, will it go right? Because if you have a vertical menu,

both can accomplish the same thing, but if you're hiding something in there, then it disrupts the flow. It's just so stupid. The whole thing's dumb. I remember a panicked moment when I was editing the previous thing on because I was sat at Matt's desk, I think. And he always had the nice Mac cinema display and stuff as nice.

And I remember sneezing. I remember being like, I was like, I can't sneeze all of my shit. So I just went to the side and I sneezed on the Advertisement mural, like on the dude's face. And I was like, oh shit, I'm gonna have a real Mr. Bean moment. I was like, you're like, as I happen to spare the whistler's mother.

Oh man. Oh, that's great. So then we started, we became friends, right? We became like friends and roommates pretty instantly. We became friends and roommates pretty instantly. But we had the challenge of getting you, like we knew pretty early on we wanted to work with you and we wanted you to live in America with us.

Yeah. Like it was, I think it was immediately clear to everybody involved with Rupert Teeth that you were the perfect fit in every way, with us. And that began the process of getting you to America legally, which became, I gave up on and then, then bring you to get over. You gave up pretty quickly. I tried, I went and talked to two lawyers and they went, there's no hope.

I don't know. And all the lawyers I talked to on my end were like, no, you don't, I mean, you don and talked to two lawyers, and they went, there's no hope. I don't know. And all the lawyers I talked to on my end were like, no, you don't do any, what do you mean? Why does America need you? I was like, good point. So how did you combat that? I had to become famous. No, I just had to become known for my craft, basically.

So you started the Slamo guys in some small part to get a green card to come to America. All right, that was the entire reason. I don't want to take credit for it. Yeah, like you started the slow-mo guys to get to America to come work at Rucheteeth, which is funny because the slow-mo guys are bigger than Rucheteeth.

The thing you started to get a job with us, it clips on YouTube. It's on daily quickly. Yeah, YouTube. What's that? What's only bigger on YouTube? Yeah. Only on YouTube. What's that? Well, it's only bigger on YouTube. Yeah. YouTube's pretty big.

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Yeah. I don't think I would have used the degree outside of more eligible for a visa and a much quicker process. So, we had to go the really difficult route of, I mean, the visa is for people who are already known, it's for like actors who are from another country who are needed here temporarily. Right. But to go from not knowing a tool to getting one of those is so much time.

Yeah, to either like four years for the degree or become famous, like, somehow the famous thing will quickly go. And like it's really crazy to me how prolific it is, how prolific the Sloan-Mo guys is, you know, even to the point where a clip from that you created is in a best picture winner. Like a bit of the slum all guys is in everything everywhere all at once.

Yeah, they licensed a little snippet. It's like half a second. I think I have some like 14 frames in an Oscar winning movie. That's so awesome. Is it in the credits at all? Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, because they like officially, I didn't know it was a film. Because like a lot of movie companies don't have like weird names. They never say the title of movie. So it was like hot dog hands productions or something. When you saw it, did you recognize it immediately when you saw the movie?

We were like, oh, that's my set. Or did you have to? Or were you blinking at the time? Yeah. I didn't know where to look for it. I saw it in the trailer. I think because people told me about it. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Like because I'm not really on social that much, I still, because people told me about it. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, because I'm not really on social that much, I still find out about it through, like, people, just my friends, like, sending me links to tweets and stuff.

Yeah, that's fun. That's even cooler. Out of all of the frames in that film that they could have used in the trailer, those 14 were important enough to make it to the trailer, right? Like, this is like, yeah. This is what's gonna entice people to come watch the movie. It's like only, minute and a half, two minutes of footage,

your 14 frames made it in there. And I think every frame of it from the trailer is like the entirety of the use in the film, too. Do you have any bucket lists, items left for Slomo guys? Anything that you would love to do that you just haven't done? Cause you've filmed with like pre-slappable smearth, you've been all over the world.

You've had a couple, you've had a TV show in England, you've had big time shows on YouTube. There's definitely people I would still like to work with. Yeah. Like I wanted to do a gag where I just replace Dan with different Dan's, like just to have like Daniel Radcliffe in a video, and just him say, I'm Dan, and we just don't ever reference

that it's Daniel Radcliffe, like just little guys like that. But yeah, like nothing huge, I don't think. Yeah. I'm just thankful that it's still going. Yeah, but it pays for the special maker. Pays for the espresso maker and the bad beans. You gotta do, I mean, you gotta set the sights high.

Why not like slow-mo guys in space? Get like some kind of a space tourism thing. There's individual videos that I can't afford to make without sponsorships and things, but. Yeah, I feel like I've been lucky enough to get round to a lot of it. But to be honest, most of the stuff I look forward to every week is still russeteath-based.

Like it's still our podcast. It's like the main thing that I look forward to every week. You can name the podcast if you want to. Oh yeah, I assume you're referring to the face podcast. That's the one. All right. Has to be, no offense to the podcast you used to with Gus,

but has to be the most fun and the best thing I've ever been a part of in my life. No offense to this podcast either, but like. Damn. All right, well, that's it, I guess. Oh, I love this podcast too, but the face is just like, it's a, I don't know. It's like a perfect storm.

I feel like I just, I'm so thankful to be able to make, because I think that's all I wanna do ever is just make videos. Oh really, it's just like showing people stuff. Yeah. I think that's why I like this slow. It's like, check out this thing that you've seen before, but look at how weird it is slow.

It's like showing someone a thing. And I feel like with face, we're just showing people Andrew. I feel like, look at this guy. He was freaking out weird this guy. Look at this, look at these guys. Look at those, look at those free, did this week.

It's funny, you say, you know, looking at things that maybe you've seen before, but like a slightly different angle. There's something you worked on years ago, pre-Rustruth, well, pre-year involvement with Ristuth,

I should say, that I still think about every now and then. It was that old millimeters matter, advertisement campaign, that never aired in the US. I think it was like a UK. And in the tiny pies throwing tiny pies at flies. And the entire commercial is like flies flying around

getting hit by like tiny whipped cream pies. Like, and it's like, it's such a weird comedic, well, you know, comedic trope, the whipped cream pie, to be throwing like tiny versions at flies for a commercial for cell phones, is like so fucking weird. I love it. Do you ever wonder what your life would be like if you didn't come to America,

like if you'd stayed in England? Like you were already, what's the lead, a lot of people may not know this, but you learned how to, you created slow-mo guys in part because you were already proficient in high-speed camera operation because you had got a job interning with a neighbor who wasn't a creep and actually turned out to be a good guy.

Yeah. Even though anytime you add a 16 years old, you know, you intern with your old neighbor guy, it typically goes wrong. It didn't for you, which is great. You maybe had a bar when you were 16 years old. I feel like, I feel like somehow. Roll and stow.

All of the dudes, a dude, a giant generation above me that I met when I was a teenager. It worked out really well. So. But like, so what was the lat? Because you worked on Sherlock Holmes, you worked on Hot Fuzz, you worked on a lot of movies. Was Thor the last thing you did?

I was gonna work on Thor Dark World, but then I came here. But I think the last film I worked on was Snow White and the Huntsman. Oh, right. Snow White and the Huntsman. Just filming some guy and armistice, we're gonna sort around. Do you ever miss doing that? I guess you scratched that edge with some of those guys. It's a different vibe.

I didn't realize how often stuff comes up in conversation where I used to be like Oh, yeah, I worked on that something like it like people who are interested in film I could like tell them some of the behind the scenes. So it's like really useful for Conversations, but I don't miss the stress and I don't miss waking up at 5 a.m Yeah, yeah, and because like thunderbolt didn't exist back then. I don't miss Standing under a light with a pissed off electrician waiting for me to be done downloading the footage in the middle of the woods before driving all the way home and then

coming back the next morning at five. You don't miss having to be intimidated by Guy Richie at all times. You're just a scary guy. He was very nice, but you could just tell you don't want to piss him off. Yeah, but he's like so London. He would look back at footage that he'd shot and a lot of the time he's just like playing chess on the set. This is like his thing he would look back at footage that he'd shot and a lot of the time He's just like playing chess on the set. This is like his thing. He loves chess But then whenever we heard you get your ass kicked yesterday. I lost the chess Yeah, yeah, Megan I playing battle chess from 1988 on She's

But um he would always get up and look at the monitors and stuff Because because he like directs with his eyes a lot of the time and he doesn't necessarily watch playback of dialogue But whenever the phantoms cut he would always be like right against the monitor is be like oh bloody Ah, that's fucking amazing Yeah, he was always a very complimentary And there was almost one disaster on that set Where I think I've told this in another podcast, but the cameras were, there were stacked phantoms one above the other, one on a tight lens,

one on a wide lens. And there was like a hundred meters of rail, it's called speed rail. And we would like set all the settings on the camera, the camera would go all the way to the end of the rail. And then it would shoot back full speed while all the explosions are going off, all this other stuff. But once the cameras leave, we can't control them anymore. We still have the video feed,

but I can't change anything on them. And I noticed that there were about to coaxion and one of the cameras wasn't rolling. Like it was still, it hadn't been rearmed. Like I guess the guy I was with had like reset one of them, assuming it would do the other one as well, but it hadn't. And they were about to go and I was just like, still, still.

And I just sprinted all the way up the track, like freak it out. Like I don't think I've ever been able to get in my head. Just to hit up record button. Yeah. And I just ran past all the crew. I was like jumping over people. I was like running through special effects people. And I had to like reach under the weather bag.

And I was like, I can't get the fuck out of this. I was like, come on. And I was like, I caught it, the butt. I was like, dude, this is like, come on. And I eventually held the button. I was like, I just slowly woke back. What were these explosions? I got it. And I was like, we almost had an absolute disaster. Oh my god.

Because the amount of reset and money that would have cost if we didn't have the angle. Yeah, that would have been it. That's a job affecting, I would imagine. Yeah, it's so bad. That's why you have two cameras rolling at once. So you get all the coverage you need. Because he was doing like a 300 style like punch into the tight,

punch out like he was like doing zooms in post between the cameras. So if you don't have one of them, then I guess you just stuck on the wide the whole time and he's never gonna use it. Oh. Terrifying. I bet. Yeah, I don't, I don't miss that. You don't get that kind of pressure on f*** face.

So yeah, there's things I miss and there's things that I definitely, I definitely love just shooting my own slow-mo now. Yeah. Well, it sounds much more relaxing. You don't have to like do action movie montage, stopping the missiles from launching, kind of heroics these days.

Do you still enjoy it just as much as you did? Filming? Yeah, slumber. Like, the process? Yeah, I'm still excited to watch the footage back. That's great. It's harder to come up with stuff now that I haven't seen it a billion times,

but I've just been recently taking more sponsorships so I can fund more expensive videos. Like, we just flew to Colorado because I wanted to see if we could deflect a bullet with C4, which isn't something I can do Cheaply anywhere. So that was like one of the times where I was like I just took a random sponsor Took the money from that and just funded a new video that could you do it? Or it left away. You are so watching it. Yeah, pretty soon. Okay up on the channel It's funny because I felt like sometimes I'll have an idea of it.

Like, oh, yeah, I should film this in slow-mo. I'd be like, wait, didn't he already do that? And I'll go back and look like, oh, yeah, he did that one already. Every idea I have, I don't even, I didn't bring it up anymore. I felt like in the early days, I would come up with stuff and I'd like, I'd send you ideas and you still haven't made it, but now you have such an expansive catalog. It's like, before I ever, that's why I don't ever take you ideas anymore because every idea I have like, oh yeah, he already did it.

Shit, it's already on there. I feel like I'm doing that with all the planned videos. I'm like, he's already seen this. He already knows that this guy that faked a plane crash is probably good to Joe. Yeah, yeah. So we mentioned earlier that you and Gus haven't seen each other since you were last on a podcast together, which was the RT podcast, which we, I guess we've Reloaged with the country launched with a new cast and so you guys haven't performed together

Which is something that Eric and I talked about as an aside in the most recent Supplemental for Ann Moe did where we both I Think openly admit that we only do this podcast because we'll never see you again. I'm very much a reclux It's not like an indictment of anybody else. No, of course not. I don't think you've never taken personally at all. But I know, and you and I've been friends now, Gus, since 1998.

20, almost 25 years? Yeah, 25 years, 1998. And I would say that our friendship is as strong as it's ever been partially because I know that when we stop this podcast, we'll never see each other. But I respect and understand that the boundaries that we have and as you're a recluse, I'm not not a recluse, not on the level of you, but it just, it's part of why we keep, like Eric and I want to keep this going because I still want Gus in my life in some tangible

way. You know, I haven't figured that out yet. So I was going to say, you guys, maybe there's a new podcast you guys need to work on to figure out. I tried to take, I actually saw Jeff outside of podcasting last week. I tried to take him flying, but the radio didn't work in the plane. Like we went through the whole process trying to get ready. We were probably two hours. Yeah, it turned on the plane and everything.

It's like, oh, they can't hear us. We can't go. Was it you or them? Was it the plane? Something was wrong in the plane. Yeah, like the, the, the, just was the antenna was, who knows, something was wrong. They couldn't hear us, so we couldn't go.

I had so much, I legitimately had so much fun not flying with Gus. Having us explain to me, do the safety checks, walk around, explain the plane to me, show me the book as he meticulously goes down each item and checks, tells me how everything works, shows me the backups for everything, then we get out and we go sit like in the pilots lounge

for a while because there were clouds and just shot the shit and listen to other dudes tell insane stories about people doing meth at work. And it was just wild. And then, and then you get in the plane and we drive around, we drive right by Elon Musk, little jet and big jet. Yeah, and then Gus goes, hey, we're gonna take off now

and nobody hears them and he goes, all right, we're gonna go, we're gonna park and go home now. But it was so much fun. Jeff goes, why are they ignoring us? And I like, I don't know can be not here. I was like trying the other radio and trying to like other people like I can hear you fine. We were we were hanging out the weekend. I think we had like a 15 minute conversation

about how we will feel safe around us. Yeah, outside it's absolutely true. Are you worried about flying with me? No. You're you're well, I, I got like a weird look. You'll be, I was gonna invite you next after I knock off out. Okay, after you knock off.

I'll take care of you. They take care of you. No, after I take them up and push them out of the plane and knock them out. So mentioning that Y'all's podcast, or you guys are no longer on that podcast, another big change at Rucheteat that's happened lately is the achievement hunter brand is ending.

And I don't think you and I have really talked about it, Gavin, we haven't talked about it on camera for sure or on Mike, for sure. This was gonna be my question for today, so we can just get to the anarchy question now. How are you feeling about the achievement hunter stuff? Yeah, how are you feeling about the achievement hunter stuff? I mean, I feel like I've been pretty,

I recorded a whole look fucking talk about it in front of a video this week What are your thoughts on 15 years of achievement hunter? Did you were there almost from the beginning? Yeah, I remember uploading a lot of the like the video game artwork to the original website Yeah, because it was about More about tracking achievements It can but it comprised a big part of your life. I mean you When you a lot of people don't know this, but when you came and you moved to America

to work with us full time, it wasn't to work for a chief monitor. You were working in the back with Brandon and the live action crew and you were doing stuff like that. And I think it wasn't, I don't wanna speak for you, but I think it wasn't what you would maybe envisioned. And there was a period when you came to me and you told me about two weeks in

to being in America and living with me me that you were moving back to England. And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, why? And you were like, I just don't, I'm not feeling it. It doesn't seem, I think I'm going to go back. I think maybe it wasn't the right decision. And I said, do this. Come into my room into the, we'll shut the door, come into the achievement room, and just spend all day with me.

And we'll just do stuff. And then you did that. And I really think that that's the moment that achieved 100 hit a different level. Yeah, because there was, I think Bernie envisioned me that I would just mainly do like main recit-y stuff to pop-ups, director and that kind of stuff. But there wasn't a lot for me to do in between. And for whatever reason at the time, I couldn't work on Slamo there

and I was doing that at home. So I was just like, during the day, so I just started like coming into Achievement Hunter and I would just watch you play zombies or whatever before people came into the, because we arrived pretty early. So it would just be you and me

in there in the mornings. Yeah. And I think of the time, there was a different intern in Achievement Hunter. So I had to wait for them to go home so I could take their desk. But I think like a few days after I arrived, we did, we're already doing the stuff

that we used to do when I was visiting. Yeah. Which I think at the time, I was just calling live commentary gaming. I didn't really know what it was called. Yeah, we were making lets plays before we realized what lets plays were. I remember being really keen during the achievement

guide's face to do one life. I remember being like, we should try and record the audio as we play and you were like, well, it's gonna be a mess to edit with me. I was like, we could do this jump shot achievement and left for dead. We'll just record us doing it. If it's no good, I'll just cut it into a regular guide

and do commentary anyway. But it ended up being, I'll just cut it into a regular guide and do commentary anyway. But it ended up big. I was playing some of the back to you. It's the funniest shit ever. It's great. Yeah, you probably you probably invented let's plays in that moment. And then not too long after that, there was like a four player, a left for dead one where it was the one where you try to get the gas cans and survival board. Yeah. And I think I don't know that I was in that. It was like maybe it was you guys Bernie and Joel. I think that's right. It was like, YouTube, Bernie and Joel. And then you and I did a watchman one as well,

not so long after that. And then we didn't do it again for years, until I started doing it with Michael. But they were a lot, they're a lot of my effort to edit. Yeah. And I think that was the problem. I remember we did like a pretty early ODST firefight one. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And I was just, we just came up recently. We were, you and Bernie were shooting a commercial for ODST firefight one. Oh yeah, yeah. And I was just, we just came up recently. We were, you and Bernie were shooting a commercial for ODST, I think it was like the GameStop pre-order commercials for gamers. I forgot about that commercial. Wow. And the hard commercial.

Yeah, and we had debugs, debug kits of the Xboxes, so you can like, you know, plop in the right skins, like unlock all the helmets, and stuff in remote controls. But for some reason we couldn't't like have an empty map. So you and Burley were machinimating the ad

in one of the rooms in firefight in one of the maps, and I was just at the door fending off the covenant. I was screaming, like, there would only be like a grunt throwing a grenade into the middle of the ad, so I'm just like, ah, and we could get like maybe four minutes before I was completely overwhelmed. And I just let the fact that I was just off camera ah, we could get maybe four minutes before I was completely overwhelmed. And I just let the fact that I was just off camera

fighting the entire army while you were just like, hey, so it's so funny because this came up a couple weeks ago because I had the idea we're doing gameplay stuff on the Let's Play channel. And so you and I have been getting creative again and Andrew's been getting extra creative. And I had the idea, Andrew and I filmed some funny stuff in Warzone,

where I was just, he didn't have the ability to capture it, so I was acting as his cameraman. And we were just trying to film a trailer, like a 2023 video game mixtape. And so we were just filming Andrew jumping through windows, but every once in a while, somebody would come and shoot us and fuck up the shoot. And I had the idea,

I pitched it to y'all in text, that we should make the most dangerous commercial ever or most dangerous video ever. We were like a three-minute video and it has to be filmed in a live war scene in war zone and Gavin was like, yeah, we already did that. We did that in ODSD. You were there and I was like, ah, fuck. It's kind of a big right now being back in the creative mindset, but almost from the beginning again because we don't have to necessarily do what we've been doing the whole time. You could just do... We'd be making some weird videos.

Yeah, like Andrew did a magic show. You don't even know how weird some of the videos are as they relate to you. Oh yeah, I've heard little things about it. I want to wait until they're done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would be better for you not to see any of this. Yeah, I assume it's not gonna be great for me. But yeah, it's been really fun.

And I think I've always said, I don't really care where the thing is or what it's called. I just, I've always loved making video game videos with my friends. Yeah. I like what you said there about, it's almost like a, for lack of a better word, like a reset for expectations and for rails that you have to be bound by.

It's like you get to break out of it and just really try to explore and see what works, what doesn't work. And it's not all gonna be banker sometimes, they don't work, but sometimes they do. And it's so funny, because for so many years, we would get that from the audience, they would say,

we don't want you to play stuff, you don't wanna play. Just play what you wanna play. We can tell you're not enjoying it. And we'd go, okay, we're gonna stop playing Minecraft and they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, we want you to play Minecraft in GTA. No, we actually, we really want you to play these, no, play these games, but just to enjoy it more. And I never got bored of GTA. I could have played that forever. Games 10 years old now. I know. I played it with some other friends. I played it recently with some other friends,

and I didn't know what to do. So I was like, we used to do this thing in Chiliad, we would take buses up to the top of the chiliad and then just drive them down. Maybe we'll do that, and I did that for a night with some friends, and it is still just as fun as it ever was. It's just so stupid.

So stupid. We just recorded half the season of face-off, which is just an idea that we had before all of this other, hey, let's do let's play, whatever it came about. We, yeah, we're going to record two videos of a six video thing. We had so much fun doing the first two, we just went, let's just do a third one. It was so good and so much fun, it comes out.

When this comes out, it'll be one more Monday, so we come out 10, nine, come out October 9th. I can't wait to do more face stuff, where we're just not even being in it, watching it happen and then watching the stuff come together has been so much fun for this video game stuff. There's a thing in episode three of face-off. Actually, episode three of face-off.

You couldn't script a better, more engrossing, more enthralling, exciting, catastrophic sports event than episode, like you, I can't believe it worked out the way it did, you know? Like the characters and everything, like the moment it goes sideways and who it goes sideways, it's just, it's in, I don't know what's going on there, but it's just insane how that episode plays out. I think overall, it feels right to be making content on there. Like, and you and I started the channel,

I mean, with the other people at the time, but I've never really had a huge absence from it. Like, I've definitely had a reduced out. Yeah, but I feel like overall, I'm just, it's like a continuation for me, and I don't really ever want to stop making these video game videos. And also, I feel like I still even want to find a way

to make play piles with Michael, I don't know where it would go, but I don't really want that to end either. I hope that they'll be spaced for it on Dog Bark, they're a new channel, but if not, I'll do it on their play. Let's play, I have no problem with that at all, because I agree, I think those videos on the air for the let's play. I have no problem with that at all. Because I agree, I think those videos are wonderful

and people still love them. And if you still love making them, there's no reason to stop. Yeah, and I'm also in a similar situation with a lot of people at work where if I stop making videos with them, I'll never see them again. That's really sad.

It's funny to hear you say, you know, you want to keep doing this and keep playing video games. As I've been getting older, I'm thinking about this a lot about how what would it be like if when my father was the age I am now, he was still like into video games and doing stuff because I am now the age my father was when we started a Rister Teeth, which is like kind of mind blowing to me to think about. Actually, he was one year older.

So I'm almost the age that my dad was when we started this. And he was like, in my mind, when we started, like, he was one year older. So I'm almost the age that my dad was when we started this. And he was, like, in my mind, when we started, like, he was like so old and like, I couldn't imagine him to do ever doing this stuff. And like, I just finished Baldur's Gate 3 last night. I'm going to about a dive into Starfield. Like, I'm still like super into video games and like really immature things.

Like, that's crazy. You could have a son that's starting a reciting. You're right. Yeah, some of the best friends today kids, I'm like, how do you just like the same? It looks like a year younger than the best friends today kids. Yeah, like we filmed that video, like a couple weeks ago announcing like the first changes

and dog barking, all that stuff. And like the running theme throughout the video was like Nerf guns, a handyman Nerf guns, and doing crazy stuff. And I was like, I don't want to shoot a Nerf gun. I'm too old. Like, like in the script, like they're supposed to hand me like Nerf guns, hand people Nerf guns, doing crazy stuff. And I was like, I don't want to shoot a Nerf gun. I'm too old. Like, like in the script, like they're supposed to hand me

a Nerf gun, I'm supposed to take it. And in the video I was like, how old are you? I'm not think I'm old enough to be your dad. So some things, yeah, I have outgrown with the video games. No. It's always weird when you put like age things into perspective. I remember being 31 and I was like, man, I'm older than, I've been alive longer than Austin Powers was frozen.

I was like, I don't think it's weird things to compare it to. It just feels, that was such a big point. Like he wakes up for being frozen. He's like, all this stuff in the world has changed. I'm like, I don't think that much. I guess it has. All this stuff since I was born is so different to now. Yeah, it's messed up to think about. It is messed up to think about. Yeah. Now you

get nice 103 degree autumn days. You never had that when you were a kid. I'm sweating. It is so hot right now. I'm so done with Austin as of yesterday. Yesterday was the day that officially broke me. Well, recording yesterday, the day before we recorded, it was 103 degrees in autumn. And then at night, it hailed baseball size hailed in central Austin, which was pretty fucking cool. It's you got like the worst of of everything Austin has to offer all in one day. So you're saying you were saying that like, you've never really stopped with the, with the achieve my hunter S content. And what now faces in many ways like becoming the spiritual

successor on the gaming side. So it doesn't feel like it's ever, there's not been a break or a gap for you. Yeah, I mean, I've definitely gone down to 10% of my previous capacity, but I've never been gone outside of like that show, I shot in the desert for three months and all that. But that's kind of why Achievement Hunter

ending feels okay to me. Yeah. Because it's like, at the end of the day, Achievement Hunter was just a name I came up with to give an excuse to do the thing that we did. And what we did has morphed into face, which is just a name you come up with to give a rapper around the thing that we're doing.

And at the end of the day, the thing that we're doing is you and I are just making content together. And you and I have been making content together every day since you walked into that to be one of our office, you know? And to me, it doesn't really fucking matter what the name or the label or the logo is. What matters is the quality of the thing that we're doing.

And I'm just happy that we've never stopped. And I don't, I mean, I guess, I guess briefly, there was about a two yearyear period there when I stopped, when I became the executive director, and I wasn't, we weren't making f*** face yet. Maybe it was about a year, and where we weren't actively making stuff together, but even then we were doing stuff like R.T. Stuck at home.

There were things that we peppered in, but I guess what, the point is it, like, the more I think about it, the less it matters, what we call any of it. I just want to get up every day and make you laugh and be made the laugh by you and Andrew and Nick and Eric and whoever. And I feel the same.

As long as I have the outlet, I'm happy. Yeah, and I'm genuinely happy that the other, that everybody who was involved with the Chief of 100 got to go off and do something and kind of be in charge I'm happy. Yeah. And I'm genuinely happy that the other, that everybody who was involved with Achievement Hunter got to go off and do something and kind of be in charge of and kind of lead and the way that I got to. So at the end of the day, I created Achievement Hunter with a tremendous help from a lot of people

and Jack was there from day one as well. But I get why people, like I wanted, I created Achievement Hunter because I don't want to make Bernie's Red versus Blue anymore. Yeah. You know, at the end of the day, which is why you created the RT podcast. We wanted to have our own thing. We wanted to be in charge of our own destiny.

We wanted to produce our own deal. I don't know why everybody wouldn't want that for everybody else. I feel like it's important every so often to do a little gut check of everyone and be like, is everyone working on stuff that they want to be working on? When that's not happening for the majority, then it makes total sense to try and you think, like, once again, working on something you really care about. Yeah, I agree.

Well, what a great note to transition the conversation a little bit here. Let's talk about the coffee. That was about to say. So Gavin, you haven't listened to the show, you've been saving it. So we're happy to have you on. The way the show works is, we reminisce, we have a good time,

we enjoy the coffee that we get regardless of how long it takes. And then we take some questions, maybe from the audience, talk about the achievement on our stuff, and then we rate the coffee out of 10. Just sort of talk about the flavor, the taste, what we think about the place in general, that kind of a thing. So if you want to start us off, I don't know, Jeff, you want to talk about the coffee?

Yeah. Gavin free, yeah. The person is a 10 out of 10. A plus plus. Gavin free the espresso maker is a six out of 10. Oh, that's, I'll take a six. That's one of the lowest squares I've ever given. Okay.

You're a six, you're a six point eight out of 10. All I know how to make is like a latte or a cappuccino, I still don't understand the difference at all. I make really milky espresso drinks, where it's tolerable. I cannot drink my own espresso. I was like, why did you offer us espresso? I didn't, you said I'll have to take three espresso. Because that's all you know how to do.

I know you need. I can have made you some milky froth. You hate milk. I don't like milk. Yeah. So I'm gonna rate the coffee 30,000 frames out of 10. Okay, nice. Nice, I think.

Eric? I think give it like a six and a half. So I've had way worse espresso. I'm not much of an espresso guy, but it was nice to sit and sip to really enjoy some flavor there. Where do you get your beans from? This is from a bag from local place.

It's called a Starbucks Pike Plague. It's just... Definitely... Tell. Yeah, it tastes like kind of burnt when it's just on its own. But I can mask that with the milk. But have you considered buying other beans?

Here's my thing. I know I can make a six out of 10 with this stuff. And if I go and buy a different bag, it might be a four. Like basically I know I'm gonna get with this. I don't have, I've not spent the time to talk about. That is a fucking Jack Patilla reasoning if I've never heard.

Now I know the perfect gift to get for Gavin free. The perfect gift would just be saying the name of a good coffee bean. Oh, like a good brand. Yeah, wild gift. You can get I think Eric's a big fan of Barrett's. I like Barrett a lot. They have good espresso.

So they'll have some darker beans that are gonna be better for that. I think anything that you get, you'll probably want a little bit on the darker side. I would assume. Okay. Well, maybe in another 100 episodes, come back and I'll see if I've improved. One thing, one thing I can promise you won't see it coming.

Yeah, I guess not. Wait a minute. Thanks for having us, Gav. Appreciate it. Thanks for coming. Nice to see you. Thanks, Gav. Love you.

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