Another Below Deck Podcast - A Body Language Expert | Traitors S5 E3

Episode Date: September 27, 2026

Dylan, Ruby and Pat are back to break down warrants, secrets, love, betrayal, bagels, New York and more from The Traitors.PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/anotherpodcastnetwork  YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@badtvpod  INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/badtvpodcast/?hl=en

Listen, also, they're picking off all the fit guys. Look how fit that guy is, you know? And I was like, oh, okay, that, okay, sure. They don't know anything. And we forget that. So it's like, maybe that's a strategy. Yeah. Have fun with the vacuum.

Throw some shit on the ground. See what gets sucked up. You know what I mean? Hi. What comes next? Hello. And after that, Welcome to the Patreon exclusive recap of Zabratas.

Joining us today's, Pat. Hi. Joining us today is also me. And also joining us today's also Ruby Wren. Hi, Delhi, Pat. How are you? Wonderful. This show is awesome.

I love talking about it. It's a great show. Fantastic show. I don't like Normies. Stop it. I don't like. like normies. Why?

What's the difference between dumb? I want stars. Oh, I want stars on my traders. Really? Yeah, I don't know how I feel about normies. You like dumb celebrities?

Yeah. Oh, okay. You liked Candice last season, stretching her neck out? She was really entertaining. She was really dumb and really bad at the game. Oh, yeah.

And it was really entertaining. Three round tables, she sat there defending Lisa Renna. Yeah. To the point where the next round table, they all said, why did you defend Lisa Rana so much? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because she was a fellow traitor.

But listen, the thing about that is I know who Candace is. I know who Candice moves. How moves? I don't know who any of these normies are. And that's the fun of it. No, it's not the fun for me. I don't like it as much. All right, all right.

Be quiet. What do you mean? No, be quiet. Please be quiet. Please be quiet. It's what Dylan has just revealed is that he doesn't like to play this game when he doesn't have a little peek at your hand. hand, you know?

I agree with Pat. Actually, I kind of like it more because when I watched the first episode, for example, I didn't know that I believe Jay, I didn't know that he possessed the ability to do what he did in this episode. That was a surprise to me. So I'm excited to read body language. Oh, no. Lose his fucking mind in the challenges.

is, you know? Or pretend to be insane or use every drug that Matthew Perry left behind at that scene? It's that last one, yep. I have yet to figure him out, yet I think what he's doing might be genius, which is pretend you're insane so no one can figure you out. We've seen that play many times before it never ends well. Well, I don't think it's going to end well, but it might get you at least. we had the woman that spoke to ghosts who was a real wild card now we never got to see how

long as she would have lost she bowed out she bowed out she didn't cause enough chaos well we then had butthole eyes who is doing a similar playbook to jay in that you just act like a fucking chicken with your head cut off hold on he was he got kicked kicked out because people got so tired of him he was that's what's going to happen to jay i mean jay as well who who who i'm I should say, my favorite person on the show, by a mile. I don't think he- By a mile. I love this guy.

The first tell for everybody is, unless he's lying, how the fuck, are you a physician? He's lying. There's no way. Okay. This man is not a doctor. That's why this show is amazing. People can lie. Can you imagine this zane head, this zany doodle do coming in to work on your kidney?

Anything. Maybe he works with kids. Even work. Don't, don't. You know, evidently, can I say this really quickly? You know, we've got to fly across the country next week, so we're going to give the baby Benadryl. Sleep.

We weren't sure when to give the baby the Benadryl, because evidently in rare occasions, they can get more amped up. So we've got to time this out during the time. Two hours before. Well, but you've got to test them first because you can't go on the plane, just running dry,

and then they get amped up while you're 36,000 feet in the air, right? So C.C. writes the doctors, when should we do it? We want to do it today. What time should we do it? They say, under no circumstances should you ever give a child Benadryl. This is coming from a doctor in the practice who we haven't seen. And CC. says, respectfully, I'd like for my doctor to get back to me. Because this nonsense is just nonsense. She writes back, oh yeah. We've reversed. In the week and a half since we've seen you, we've reversed. And under no circumstances, should you give your child Benadryl for anything? other than a life-threatening allergy outbreak. And I said, can we get a fucking newsletter on that shit? I mean, we were going to give the kid Benadryl today. We said just reach out just in case. I mean, what the fuck is that?

Now, Jill, because we're here to recap traders, I'm going to sum this up for you. Yeah. Doctors get sued every four and a half seconds, and they need to protect their fucking practice. Bums. That's the answer to that. Let's talk about traders.

Okay, great. But you know what I mean? Yes. What are your shoulder taps? Well, this is episode three and four. Yes, three and four. Which we're going to slice in half. Now, this is free for you, peeps.

The second half of this episode, you're going to have to pay for. Sorry. Yeah. Do we know that they're going to be doing that for the whole run? Don't know. We'll figure that out later. We'll figure that out later. Help support the show.

I would give these two episodes, 70 shoulder taps. I think that we've got some real. idiots. My favorite part of traders is the scrambling. The dumb clues picked up and then informed. It's such a joy to see people go down these roads that lead to absolutely nowhere. And it's fun to see the traders start to figure out how to use the narratives that are cropping up. I think that Joey is playing a fantastic game right now. But I don't think there's any possible way he makes it to the end. Katie is dead on arrival unless she can spin the framey angle, which I don't think that she can. I don't think she's an elevated enough game player. And

that leaves Tamika, who to me is the most impressive trader right now. It's a lot of fun. I'd give it 70 shoulder taps. Curious of your thoughts, Ruby. Okay. I think I am in love with Tamika. Yeah. I also think that if I could kidnap a child, I would want them to grow up and be Katie. She's just a button. She's adorable. Oh, yeah. She will be voted out. I will leave within the next three weeks.

I think that we have the perfect balance of people here who are, it's like a little pie, just dumb and know that they're dumb, smart a little bit. And then dumbs who think they're smart. And that portion is actually bigger than normal. And that's what's so, similarly to Dylan, like the dumb clues. but the fervor and conviction that it's 100% that I saw you do this when no, but in fact, you haven't seen anything of the sort. It's everyone feels like Tom Sandoval at some point. I loved it.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm going to, I really think this is, I'm not kidding, a great cast of people. I'll go 88 shoulder tops. That's a lot. Wow. Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to point something out. I'm going to point something out of a player that was playing a perfect game and still got eliminated, so that can happen.

Logan was not playing a perfect game. Okay. You and I will discuss this. He was not playing a perfect. Logan, who I'm going to call Dana Carvey. Well, you call him Wolverine. I'm going to call him Dana. Well, you call him Wolverine.

We have Professor Xavier. We're in a castle. Why wouldn't you call him Wolverine? Ah, it's hard to remember. I want to call him Dana. respectfully. He in my mind played a perfect game, and I want to hear your thoughts on why you think he didn't.

He was a fly on the wall, and he used one of your rules, which I'm contemplating if I want to add that to my vernacular. You should. You should let me write this book. Dylan's rule to remind the little baddies, the little patties, was never have any true conviction over what you may believe.

Basically, don't believe. Never get too glued to believing anything. in this game. Make no choices. Right. You just kind of have a thought and go, I'm not glued to that thought. In the end, just kind of go with the flow. And Dana Carvey thought Katie was a traitor. He mentioned it to people. He floated it. But he was like, still kind of working my way through that. He betrayed. He betrayed. Go ahead. Okay. So he got a limited. and I was kind of shocked by that. But where I was excited about this game is where I think the traders made a absolute

misstep later on, which was by eliminating him. The move, in my opinion, it was a fatal step for all of them. They should have eliminated Abby. I agree, Pat. By eliminating Abby, you had a free full day because if you remember Abby, had pretty much convinced everybody that Sherry, yeah, uh, they had, she had really been working everybody up to Sherry. So if you with a dumb clue with a,

with a huge, dumb clue. So by eliminating Sherry, everybody would have been on Sherry the next day. How would she know that there were three traders? Oh, I don't know because there's been fucking 50 seasons of this and it's usually three traders. And it's usually, that's exactly right. What the fuck are you talking about? Exactly right, Dylan.

And so, and also we've learned by watching traders that you just got to get past a couple roundtables and people forget your name. Yeah. And there would have been plenty of time to eliminate Logan down the line. To eliminate him so prematurely with such an amateur move. We get into gameplay conversation early on. and we have an entire show to recap, and I know I did that pediatrician bandadro thing,

but I'm going to give it 100 shoulder taps for this because I love seeing stupid traitors when I'm a genius. But I want to piggyback off of what you're saying and just add this. You can eliminate Logan if you have the frame narrative ready to go the next day. Which they don't. Which they don't. They're just doing this because they're amateurs. The only way to eliminate somebody who has broadcast heat on a trader is to hit the ground running with their getting framed by these people the next day.

These people did not have this. I agree with you 100%. 100 shoulder taps. These people are amateurs. Very dumb. All right. Love this show. Okay.

The show. Okay. Miss Ashley. By the way, there's a lot of pomp in circumstance with this show that is actually a lot of filler, which I love because when you have to take notes as a podcaster, you can put your pencil down a lot and go, oh, I just enjoy the visuals. You know what I mean? Yeah.

I mean, you've got two hours to fucking watch. You're like, wow, I don't have to take a note on them putting down their hoods. We already know who they are. Well, you know, this is, this is what we're talking about. Robs, did you like the apostle, you know, wrinkle here? Okay. Yes, because I think it's fun to do newer things so that we don't get tired. As someone who has to take notes, I would, this show gives me more than enough.

And I almost feel bad that they think that they need to up their game in any way. Right. That being said, I think this is very fun. I thought this is great to watch. Well, we've got two warrants that we need to turn over to the traders. Professor X, did you retrieve a death warrant? Spoiler alert. Yes, it was going into a room with a book and picking out a piece of paper.

Katie, did you retrieve a death warrant? Yes, it was also that easy. So now the traders have a choice. And I'm thinking the obvious choice here is Katie, right? Yes. Obviously. But is it so bad? Is it so obvious that it's a bad decision because it's too obvious?

But Professor Xavier makes this even messier when he says, as a contingency and a life raft for myself, I have already floated Katie's name. And for that reason alone, I think the traders should have gone with Professor X. That is so funny. you mentioned that because as a contingency, he said, I'm already blowing this motherfucker up. I'm already blowing this motherfucker up. Now, Katie made her audition tape about why I'll be a great traitor.

And Dr. X made it about why you need to pick me because I already put a fucking grenade in your house. I think the issue here is that Dr. X could not have said, He kind of had to, but I think he could have said a little bit more about like, I did this because I want to be on your team. Instead, they were like, motherfucker, you're fucking coming for us already. That's right. Dangerous and scary and scary. Yeah, you made it more about destroying another person that you're working with.

Then you made it more about her than why you'd be a good team member. Also, let me, because this is why Patty's an awesome trader or great game. game player. If you look back at the footage of how Katie got the death certificate, there were two people in that room at that time. Right. Dr. X and Katie. There are no rules that say, Dr. X could not have called a bunch of people into that room at that time. Hey, put your fucking thinking cap on. Katie's worried about getting that book. Hey, everybody, I have an idea. Everybody get in the room. Fucking do everything you can to discourage her from getting that book.

Here's my thing. You say that Katie goes up and she kind of pitches herself as. No, we're talking. I'm bringing it back to the moment where the rewind where she's trying to get the death certificate. I would say Dr. X's best chance should have been to try and limit her ability to get the death certificate. I think he did all that he needed to do.

And I think that the traders just made a big. big, big boo-boo because Katie pitches herself as like, I'm going to, all these platitudal things about what, you know, being a traitor and stuff like that. X showed you. He's willing to do some nasty stuff. Now, I know that you don't want that in the turret all the way to the end, but he's at least thinking in a gameplay way. Katie was not thinking in a gameplay way. She's a deer in headlights as she'll prove to be. It was X all the way. X was going to give it to you. Go ahead. He's too dangerous. Can I be honest? I think they would have lasted for the same amount of time. I think Katie and him both have about three-ish weeks of being able to skirt, whether it is people voting them out because

X planted this brilliant little bomb and then left or because they're, you know, if you come in there and you say, listen, I'm brilliant and I'm, I came for her. The only thing that these two people here is you're going to come for me, Mofo. So you're getting out of here, right? He probably would have lasted about a month before one of them went to the other and said, I think we got to get him out because he's going to come for us real soon. Well, Katie is chosen. And while they choose Katie, there's a cover of Eagle Eye Cherry State tonight.

That's not, I'm not kidding. Really? Yeah. Oh, no. he's not joking and my first question for the two of you is do you think that they have increased their music budget no answer no amazing because that cover of eagle at cherry was royalty free and it was on youtube so katy has chosen to be the third trader we get to the next breakfast next breakfast. And the heat is on Victor. He threw that lady lover under the bus very, very quickly at the

roundtable. And Arisa, the dog groomer, needs to just make more friends. Now, I'm just trying to remember who these people are. Ultimately, you know, we have to set rules as podcasters for these shows. There is no point in learning everyone's name because they will not make it more than another two episodes. So we'll find the ones that we have to care about. We will. I'm going to make an admission here. I really thought ERISA was going to be a frontrunner.

But as I've learned in this gameplay, you can just randomly go from having a nice day, from a dumb clue to being on the chopping block. Yeah. Her doing that move where let me see her hands and give you a, I don't know, like a psychic reading. Right. To being caught up in this nonsense to having your head on the chopping block. That's why you have to, this could be another rule.

Don't touch anyone. Don't touch anything. Well, that would be stay off everyone's fucking radar. Now, be a fucking fly on the wall. Katie has to come in and get ready to take some heat because of X, who the crew finds out is dearly departed. Now, Logan, aka Dana Carvey, aka Wolverine, is going to be. keeping his eye on Katie. Now, he, this right now, it's not a dumb clue.

This is something to work with. But all clues are dumb clues early. And that's why you can't, you can't make a decision on any of this stuff. Can I stop you for one second? At the round table, Krista tells Arisa. Who is Krista?

Right. Yeah. I was going to say. Yeah. Is it Krista? Who is that? Isn't that the Southern lady with the... Jay yells somebody's name?

I don't even think the person's on the show later. She tells Arisa, I'm picking you. I just had the facts. And Arisa says to her, and I quote, there are no facts yet. Right. There are no facts yet because we don't know each other. Okay.

But anyway, sorry, you are saying. But so he has an instinct at breakfast to go, I'm going to keep this to myself, which is, you know, it's rule number one. You be a fly on the wall. Now, I wanted to ask you guys,

is Alan throwing pictures on the ground way harder this season? No? Can I tell you something? No, but what I do think he is is having so much fun. Yeah,

he's having a lot of fun. And I'm so happy that Alan has committed to this because I think that there was a point probably, I don't know, last season when things really picked up. And maybe we're still in the eye of that storm.

But I think that having come from a theater background into actual movies hosting this, I hope that he recognizes that it's fun and he doesn't feel above it. I want to give producers a note. As the show grows, you've got to up the Annie on production. You got to pay that.

Yep. No, not pay him. No. Up the Annie. Wheel of Fortune has evolved, so has Jeopardy. I want a fire pit. He will throw the Oh, got it. The fire pit. Throw it into a fire pit. You also do need to pay him because I do think that he could say I want to go do more creatively inspiring endeavors. Ruby, do you not think that that's on the table? I think it's on the table. Who's the guy who got fired from the bachelor? Chris Hanson. Get him. Ruby.

So Chris Harrison was the bachelor, Chris Hanson. is primetime. Everyone go see it in theaters this weekend. Everybody. What are you doing here? Ruby's a producer on the film. That's why she wants everybody to go see it. Yeah. Sex.

You came here for sex. Ruby, go ahead. Talk about Allen Cummings leaving the show. I believe in my heart of hearts that because he can bring his rescue animals to the show, because he can wear literally, I hope he has great of saying this and he can get, he wears whatever he wants. I hope he enjoys the fun of it. I hope he enjoys the fandom of it. There are very few areas that I think you get to quote unquote create and be 100% beloved. There's nothing he can do wrong in this role. I think if they don't pay him, no, I hope that he

sees this as a Jeff Probst type of opportunity and he sticks around for forever. Yeah, me too. And he's already getting work. He's going to be night crawler and in Avengers again, I think. Oh, great. Yeah. Yeah. So, fun stuff. All right. So Mark, the personal trainer is going to lean into his stupidity. He's not. Who is this guy? No, no idea. Ruby. Do you mean who is Mark? Who is Mark? Who is Mark? Ruby? No. So he wasn't Mark in my notes till just now. Yeah. So Joe is a, by the way, Mark, is a self-described moron. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Can we cut to Joe and the lawyer, Michael, sitting down for a strategy meeting? And if you remember, Michael, the lawyer said his legal mind would help him read people or see-through people. Yeah. Well, Joe, the trader, proceeds to present one of the most insultingly stupid premises for murder motive. He said,

the traitors are now killing the most athletic people. Yeah. Okay. And Michael eats this up. Yeah. Okay. Take that in.

Yeah. So Joe, I believe, tries to pit it on Mark. And, you know, it's a niche D.C. But I think it, I mean, it's very clearly effective here.

I don't think anyone's, ever pitched a DC quite like this, the value of the last remaining physical player on a challenge cannot be cast out. But you would ask the question if that person, I think it's good from Joe. I honestly like Joe. As a fat guy having a half for fit guys and dropping that DC down, I really like it. I'm willing to put money on this. Joe will be the first. traitor, even I think before Katie, to be cast out. Robs. Oh, Pat.

Don't break my heart. Well, he does this so well that I believe Michael is the one who cries later and says, thank you for having my back. Oh, no, no, no, no. Yeah, that's at the round table. Oh, I can't wait until we get to that. I love how Joe goes, I was not being deceptive at that table. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So what I was going to say is just really quickly. I think that the little strategy meeting was about Victor, I thought. He's planting Victor repeatedly. And I think he's doing a good job of not shoving it down anyone's throat, but just saying, like, listen, also, they're picking off all the fit guys.

Look how fit that guy is, you know? And I was like, oh, okay. Okay, sure. They don't know anything. And we forget that. So it's like, maybe that's a strategy. Yeah. Have fun.

With the vacuum. Throw some shit on the ground. See what gets sucked up. You know what I mean? You know, it's funny. In the celebrity version of this, they always go after the groupings of the people, the survivor people,

the housewife people. Well, speaking of groupings, Jay comes in, and I don't even have an accurate note as to what he pitched. I think I know a name. Make me. breakfast and I'll give you the name. I'm out of here. But first he pitches this like six player thing and says like we're going to get six people here. It's he's absolutely. I roll. Not a doctor. Okay. So Logan brings up to the gang that Katie was betrayed or or the, no, no, excuse me. Katie's name has been getting thrown out and he has some some heat on Katie.

betraying his initial thought to keep that information to himself. And this seems like it's going to do okay. It's landed in the bellies of a couple of the castle folk. But this ultimately will be his undoing. You just have to keep it quiet. Now, if you're under duress, then yes, you need to talk. But I just... Dylan, at some point, you have to, in a game, throw stuff out there. You can't be a mute. Because if you're a mute, well, you might win the game, I guess. How did Rob do it last year? How did Rob do it last year? I'll have to rewatch that. He was very high.

Oh, Ruby, sorry. Did I mention this yet? I went back and looked at all the winners of traders. There's three, two seasons of Australia, three seasons of celebrity, three season. Now we're, it's the hot. hottest people. There are, there's a component of attractive people that win. No way. Mm-hmm. Are you kidding? Yes. But Rob did it by one being hot, but also every time he was asked about who he thinks it is. I don't know. Yeah, I think could be. Yeah. I think, no, I think that makes sense. He followed noncommittally. He didn't throw any fucking names out. He wasn't the origin point of any heat on anybody. He just kind of waffles successfully. Okay. Just keep it fucking quiet. I'm telling you, I'd beat the shit out of you in this game. If we, if we were both on this game, I'd freaking, I'd, I'm hot though. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Let's get to the challenge. Break a battering

rim into Crips. I actually like this challenge. This is a great challenge. So the wrinkled of this challenge is once you're inside the farmhouse, AKA Cripped, you met with a choice and only two people know what that choice is. Most of the Crips are shield or half the money or you can take full money. But the third one is you can take the money

or you can take half and you will get a clue about the traders. Now, you miss the biggest thing. There's only, they have a number that everyone knows, which is 30 grand. 30 grand. So they're doing the math math. Right. So people will have a hunch as to what

transpired in the Crips. Now, I thought this was a great play from Tamika, who goes in with a castlefolk, one of the faithful, and gives him a shield. And this is a great, would just be part of the faithful. This is how faithfuls play. This is, um, this is bonding for, with Clyde. Make real relationships. That's right. The last, uh, the last crypt was, uh, what did you think of? That was the last crypt, by the way. No, the last. Oh, that was the second one.

The last crypt was Michael and Ben. And the top secret information was what? A clue. This was, like, this was some of the, like, better dumb cluary that we got to actually watch, not necessarily in real time, but when they were like, I don't even remember exactly what the clue. It was like two people yesterday fought to be traders in plain sight. I'll give it to you. Well, that's what it was.

Okay. Yeah. So, um, they, I have the clue. Okay. Hold on. Yeah. Hold on. Let me read it.

Okay. Okay. Two traders were battling to, I'm sorry. Hold on. In the crib. I was wrong. Hold on. Shut up.

You, you, you're wrong. All right. Uh, last night, two players fought in plain sight to be a traitor. And the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you. fucking joy that we will get as a result of this DC is amazing. Okay. So, um, there,

this is why I liked this mission, um, because if you went into those crips, which six people did. Yeah. Already people are pissed at you. Because they think you took a shield. And,

um, so there was no good in going into those crips. Yeah. Because you spent too much time in there. And people, like, Abby, later accuses ERISA of stealing a shield, which is easily provable that she did not.

Because she would have been saved. Right. So dumb clue. And then, God, what did Krista say later? I don't know why we always get this confused. Do shields save you from banishment or just murder? Oh, help us. I thought it was banishment.

I thought it was banishment. I don't remember. Help us. Help us. Help in the comments. Anyway, um, yeah.

So I originally thought, I like we were saying though, don't go in. And this could be another rule. Avoid heat. Avoid heat. Any situation that's going to get you in hot water. Stay back.

Stay back. And I know that not having a shield early on is, it's scary. But it's one of these things where you got to just play the numbers game. It's better to be in a crop of people that's 30 deep. and not have a shield, by the way, then get action on you early on in the game.

By the way, don't have one. By the way, if you get your walking papers while you're at a fucking hotel, like three days in, that's unlucky. It's your,

they rolled the dice and they just said, by the way, be, thinking yourself highly because they thought you were a threat. Right. There you go. But,

um, uh, what the fuck was I got to say here? Oh, um, I forgot what I was going to say. Fuck it. Ribby, did you have any of those donuts yet?

No, Dylan, I haven't. Okay, great. So we head back home and Arisa and Victor are in the... Oh! The clue should have been, additionally to this, is there's two female traders and one male. I just think it should have. See, this is why he can't be on the show because you... No.

You're going to drive the producers crazy. I mean, Pat... Help them. out a little bit more juicier. Ruby, what do you think about that? I love that. I really do. I think that just this is what I'm saying. If you determine that they may or may not be able to get there on their own,

throw them a meteor D.C. Sure. Sure. I love that. But Pat comes out of that crypt and he has the clue and he goes, this is crazy. No, but seriously, how are we supposed to get anything from this? The clue? Can I say the clue should have been?

Two girls, one guy. That's what this clue should have been. And producers go, we need to have another conversation because you can't be. Okay. All right. I think that would have been a real clue. All right. So Arisa and Victor are the ones in the crosshairs right now because they were part of a truth-telling ritual that transpired before everyone's eyes.

And the clue was that two people fought to be traitors. Now, this is where I get- There's three people in the crosshairs. Okay, but just hang on a second. So this is where I get a little confused because everyone in this castle for the most part knows enough about the game that two traitors fighting in plain sight means they had to do something like this. Openly, yeah. So why would everyone bite on the three trader clue? that the physicist comes up with so hard.

Because they're, they're well versed enough in the game to know that that is fishy. Why would you bite on? Everybody knows that there's probably three traders. It doesn't make any sense to me. Think about last season when someone had, what was the celebrity thing, what Lisa Rhetta grabbing a star off someone's came up?

It was Lisa. It was Lisa. She kissed, she can smell their cheek. It was Lisa. They killed. him, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was what he was yelling while he was being carried to the cross, but we forget they know nothing. Now, Tamika fucks up again. She, when we get back, she tells everyone that Clyde has the shield. And it's like, Tamika, just if you're given, if you're

going to try to get a relationship here, let him get the shield and just be quiet. Okay. I, I hate to be a know at all. But Tamika gets. thanked by, I think ERISA saying, now I know you're not a traitor. And then Tamika's like, I, you know, maybe I didn't understand the game by saying that. Yeah. Okay. You, um, you put in an application to play the game. Clearly a gigantic fan of this game.

Right. That is, uh, the biggest motherfucking tell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ever heard in my life. Right. You're right. traitor. Okay.

All right. I would just walk to that table. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And go, I will put my life right now. Right, right. This is a traitor in a horrible life. We have got to fill out the application properly next time Normie casting comes around because you got to be on the show. Now, we wrap things up because Logan is still on Katie, but he knows that heat is coming for Victor.

And he gives Victor a heads up before the roundtable. So we'll see if it helps. But we get to the round table. And first up, he does honor ERISA. And then we get this clue that ERISA and Victor. And I got to say, Victor is really ingratiating himself to the audience. He's just so forclympt and helpless at these tables.

He's just like, I don't know. I swear to God, I, I, she just grabbed my hands. Guys, this sucks, man. I don't know what the fuck to do here. This is the guy that gets arrested. Right. Spend 60 years in jail that didn't commit the crime. And you're like, what the fuck?

Ribs, do you like Victor? I sadly love him. I do too. Jay brings up the Katie thing and he says, I want to, I believe I have this right. And this is one of the most amazing things. And we'll find out what he says next episode because we cut right after this declaration. But Jay says,

I've been hiding something from everybody. I am a body language expert. And everyone goes, I'm listening. Wait, we, what? And we cut. So we'll come back next episode to find out what happened at the end of this roundtable. Until then, join us to patreon.com slash another podcast network for the remainder of this season.

Salt Lake City, lots of fun stuff.