Another Below Deck Podcast - A Really Big River | RHOC S19 E5

Episode Date: August 10, 2025

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Yeah, I'm wondering, what does Shane do with that? All that ass. Um, what is Shane do back there? I don't think they've had sex in 12 years. Same with the DeBros. Get out of here. Fuck. Hi, hello.

Welcome to another brand spanking new episode of Bad TV. I'm Dylan. And that is Pat. Great to be here. Ruby is joining us from across the pond. She is sipping on a bottled macho latte. And that is, that is New York State of Mind. That's my little sissy over there in New York.

Hi, Del. How are you? Hi, Pat. Oh, and just to remind the audience, this show is sponsored by two wonderful sponsors. We have Lola and we have VIA. Ruby, wait till you feel. this pot and this blanket in tandem my gosh go together um so listen uh pretty tough thing just hit the studio uh pat realized that he was drinking non-alcoholic craft cocktails and um he's

recovered but it's still we're on shaky ground yeah literally literally i'm shaking going through withdrawal yeah um i had no idea how much were those Oh, they were so expensive. They were like three bucks a can. Yeah. And they're very pretty cans. But they say in, and I have to give you credit, they say in quite fine print non-alcoholic,

which is like, what are you doing? Do they look alcoholic, Dylan? Yeah, 100%. You're going to give fucking people delirium tremens or something, you know? Yeah. I mean, think about what would have happened to you if you spent an afternoon sucking those things down. You could have died.

I could have died. or at least my legs would shake all night while I tried to sleep. iTunes, ratings, five stars, kind words, Spotify. If you're listening there, get in the comments. Let us know what you think about everything. Miami is at patreon.com slash another podcast network. And so is APS, so is PMZ. The latest APS, ribs.

Did you hear it, Pat, learning about Venmo? That was. And Pat, I have to reiterate this. Like, when we get you, whatever credit card you get, you get, you're going to buy a home with, like, I don't, I'm so excited. You're just going to go to the moon and it's going to be great. Wow. Yeah.

You know, if you, all on points. If you do it correctly or if you had done it correctly, you could have been on that flight with Lauren Sanchez and Katie Perry, you through points. I mean, that's the kind of thing you can do. What Dylan's referencing is, I don't have a credit card. Yes. And I have amazing credit. Pat has not had a credit card in 10 years.

10 years. And you have a business that also does require you. I imagine sometimes to purchase things that you could then. It's just it's about points and you can acquire so much of them. You also have children. They're expensive. Side note. Yeah.

She froze. No. I want to plug PMC. Oh. And she's back. Oh, she's back? No, she's not. Oh.

Ruby, you were saying? You were saying? A cultural. moment. I never want to forget. Mariah Carey was recently in an interview and someone referenced like Katie Perry in the interview and they were like, oh, like Katie Perry, like going to space and she did not know that. And she was like, where did she go? And I think that those are, that's how we should aspire to be. Is that unaware of what everyone is up to? Oh, yeah. I am very checked out. Not quite like Mariah though. Maybe. PMZ is arguably one of the best shows on the network.

And this week, I haven't listened to it back yet, but I think it's a real winner. Oh, yeah. I mean, to honor MGK's new release, Lost Americana, Pat did a deep dive on MGK, as he does most weeks. We highlighted MGK's Jim Carrey performance on the late show with Jimmy Fallon, and both of us were made very uncomfortable. So go to patreon.com. com slash another podcast network. Thank you very much for supporting the show. Don't need a little a little bit more.

we are here to talk about the Real Housewives of Orange County. I loved this episode. They went back to my old stomping grounds, New Orleans, Louisiana. Is that where you went for six months to waste your parents' money? Just a year. My old stomping grounds, New Orleans, Louisiana sat atop the really big river. I actually really enjoyed this episode. I thought it was a fantastic, just,

center slice of what O.C. can bring us. I love seeing Tamara on her heels because you know that she's about to overreact. And I'm really looking forward to that. 70 tits. 70 tits. Ruby, go ahead. Okay. I loved hearing this many women say fatty photo this many times. I thought learning that Terry Debrough wears Lyft. I didn't know that. Yep. That, to me, I mean, that's 35 cc's right there. Yeah.

I agree. I think seeing this is, oh. It's tits. Is it? I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, Pat. I'm so sorry. Um, it's tit.

Um, and I will give it 84 tits. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So what I'm enjoying is the downfall of Tamrat. Um, her, I mean, I know it was a teaser, but, uh, she's feeling the at this table. And I believe she leaves and then texts multiple cast members that she quit. Yes, the teaser for next week will be that she quits the show.

Okay. Hello, 2017. Tamrat. You're back. This is so overdone. It's very much like Shannon Madore. I'm done. I'm done. Yeah. You're never done. We'll tell you when you're done. you running off screen saying you will never see my face again by we did we we we saw and we will many times and we won't tell you when you're done you will grovel and beg for it to not be done and then we will tell you that it's done that's right now tam rat's interesting i mean look at jack's taylor jack's taylor is volunteering to drug tests to stay on the valley yeah but not on mondays not in federal holidays and days that ended why

but any other day than that you can drug test him because he wants to see Cruz because of his little boy because it's the greatest thing that he's ever done aside from finding that high quality cocaine dealer

that he did in San Fernando Valley yeah and again his name is Jacks right and that's J-A-X okay it's more of a sound all right Tamrat

she's had an interesting journey on this franchise because I used to love her when she'd go after people and I was trying to understand why do you hate her now and think she's an awful person now the tiger hasn't changed her stripes actually she has she's going for the easy kills now back in the day tam rat would go for vicky gundelson and her horrible choices and relationships and that was very entertaining she went for gretchen gretchen gretchen totally deserved it she had a fiance say that had three days left to live, and she went up to bang her boyfriend at Bass Lake. Now, can I tell you that the tiger has not changed their stripes, and I feel like you could make a lot of hay with this because you do lovely Ricky Jervais style animal improv, but I feel

as though the tiger's not lost the stripes, but the incisors are a little worn. So this tiger has had to resort to gossip. And the image of a bengal just being like, I'm not into the hunt anymore but let me tell you she's got a picture where she was disgustingly fatty she looked like a fucking offensive lineman that's how fat she was yeah um but how many tits do you hold on i want to get ruby's opinion on this i think sometimes you can just be mean and do horrible things to a cast member but it you have to be punching up or at least laterally her going after jen with something like this i feel like jen is like a broken little bird and i'm just not feeling it. Go ahead, Ruby. This to me

would be... Randy Jackson. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. He was at the end of the American Idol table and he just said, I'm just not feeling it. And then through to you. So I said Randy Jackson. Okay. And I didn't know that that was something that, like, Randy Jackson did because there is

American Idol table and he's actually sitting in a chair. And he also is not a larger African-American man. So that's confusing for me. You'll forgive me. No problem, no problem. Yeah, this would be like Heather Debrough making fun of, like, Gina for not having individual rooms for her kids. It's just like, ew, what is, what's wrong with you? But not actually that bad because Tamara isn't that much, anything more than Jen.

They're actually, like, pretty similar, I'd say. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, but Tamara, you want to win old Patty's heart back. You go for the big shot there. You take down HD. that's tamrat has all these little sluice out there she knows where the bodies are buried yeah take down hd all right let's get into it how many tits we'll give it 14 tits all right so queen

uh queen latifa is in the garage um no it's odd i i'm trying to like put my finger on why this is so wrong it's this weird thing where you get these little insights into people and we know meatball so we're stuck with her but if you kind of knew meatball and she was like oh that's my vacuum queen Latifah like you'd be like oh god damn it I don't want to oh fuck I don't want to go to this party I'm going to say this and hopefully Alec Baskin is watching one of these two people need to go Emily or Meatball I can't have these two these two trash balls

like the two of them just taint the rest of the batch they really do and Emily get over your storyline and obsession with having a couple cocktails and lifting up another cast member's skirts and talking about their vagina

I'm over it I'm over it yeah yeah all right Randy I can hear you pitchy all right so Gina's throwing a shin dig Emily gets their rings the bell

70 times I don't care how well I know you I do not care I thought about like if this had happened and it was my party and it was a little like I was a little stressed or trying to like gather things and this happened there's a chance that I I just wouldn't answer the door yeah oh yeah I would just say no I won't let you in now because whoever that is I don't want to see at this moment I'm trying to get the lemonade in the containers and I don't need this sound.

Emily is a lot, but she's having a good time. She's excited to see your friend. You know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. Hey, was the private chef actually at the party? Yes, and her food looked like slop. I was going to say, yeah. A private chef involves the chef generally preparing most of the food at the venue.

When it's dropped off, it's called catering. Yeah. There's a distinction there. Well, and I know that they were getting ready to go to New Orleans, but jambalaya is just not something that should ever be eaten by human beings. I mean, you can eat it in New Orleans. I guess it makes sense. But we're doing jambalaya in Orange County?

The wife's creole. So that's a dish that we get when the family comes over. I get that. I get that. You don't like it, dude. No, I hate it. I hate it. Is Gina Creole?

No. So, you know, there's a difference. Yeah, but it did look like there was some kind of filmed cheese soup sitting in a crock. Disgusting catering. All right, let me help out here a little. We got a tour of the house. And I want to hear your opinions on this. And I don't want to seem like a judgy little bitch, but the house look like a house.

Oh, there's the bunk beds. That's the tacky wall decor I bought from home goods. There's no bowling alley. There's no screening room. Right. Feel free to what you do when you own that. kind of house as I have done is uh feel free to just walk around if you want to check it out yeah yeah yes this is the 20 inch square inch bathroom yeah behold right if you don't have a

yard long perfectly cleaned tube of nerds ropes or nerds clusters in your theater i don't need that tour no you know what i will say is we have remember how far jean has come and i think that's what this is about um jen opening the laundry room door and then having it be like kind of organized and like not an absolute disaster like she was hoping that it would be that this is where she just shoved everything that made me want to close fist punch her in the face a little bit yeah a little bit and then saying oh i love laundry rooms oh is that why you open the door that you had no idea what was behind it don't do that wait wait who was that jenn did that

Oh, I like Jen. She normally doesn't engage in that type of behavior. Well, Tamara's got very, very intense social anxiety right now. Good. I would say, you know, I mean, Tamara, you're kind of a con. So I understand why. I mean, if you're constantly going into rooms where everybody hates you because you're kind of a con. And then if you're going to have anxiety, you know, that's just kind of.

But did you hear why she explained? why she's currently feeling anxiety. She says it's since she chatted with Jen, she feels like people are coming for her. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting, Tamrat, because that's how you've behaved with every cast member

for your entire duration on this show. Yeah. Yep. So, you know, it's tough, I feel for, you know,

she's really, she's really going through it. Oh, by the way, it's also worth mentioning, the ladies learned that Jen and Tamrat meant, and she was accused of being a single white female. Yes.

And then Meatball. announces that she's seen the pick of her being a former fatty yeah yeah yeah uh and it's important to note that also Shannon Bador does show up with nine so plebents okay so I need to go through this very quickly so Heather shows up with something that is egregiously large for this home that she if she actually thought about this is a very very selfish stupid gift to give Gina there is no counter space she can't do this so I was thinking that's what you get for a wedding gift ruby well maybe but not for a housewarming where you know that she can't do this. So don't do this, Patrick.

I also would sell it. And then thank you for it. Shannon bringing the most annoyingly, this is a callback to one of her old taglines. It was whatever. I brought nine soap lamards. Yeah. So I can make a limit.

This is a selfish, stupid gift again, Shannon. And Shannon is very, and it was, I kind of liked to see this because, again, I'm, you know, Meatball is Meatball. But like, honestly, good for Meatball. I'm happy for her. She's fucking been through it and she's come out in a good way. Shannon is really sad that that's happening not to her because she couldn't be further from being good.

Philip doesn't want to date me. Now, hold on, Ruby. It would appear to me later on the episode when Meatball starts talking to somebody about that ex-wife of Travis's, they're back on shaky ground. But Gina herself, I mean. saying like she is like she feels like a secured person she's at least she fucking is making money Shannon is I don't think um I believe well Shannon made the money because she was on hotel of love which we learned was a complete sham she was on sham she was on she was on

hotel of love right where she met Philip and ace and Earl the Pearl and none of them wanted to be intimate with her could have fooled me yeah they looked like they were trying to freaking get some, you know? Like, you know what? And this is kind of awkward. Like, I don't know if you guys have friends like this. I truly don't think that I do. But when your friend is like a solid six and they only go after tens and you're like, I don't know what you do here. Like I don't know what to tell you. And would you say Philip is a 10 or kind of like Obama. Yeah. Yeah, I would Dylan. I would say that Philip is probably a 10. Philip looks like he owns a wax museum. That's not popular. Philip is very wealthy. Okay. Well, he looks like he owns a very unpopular wax museum.

So that's all I'm saying. We get outside and we talk about the fat photo a little bit, some more. But the anxiety that Tamara is experiencing is because of what's going on with Teddy, who was recently on Jess Mel Lemus podcast at the we've talked about it. And they've cut, I think, 75 videos from that interview. I didn't know there were 75 videos to cut, but evidently it's a very inspiring interview. Yeah, I want to say this. I think Ruby's going to agree with me.

perhaps this is the city it'd be. Tamara is using Teddy's illness this season as a crutch. And can I tell you something? I resent Tamara from making me suspicious of her emotions surrounding her friend's death or cancer. Whoa. Sorry. Whoa. Sorry.

Yeah. Cancer. Knock on wood. Yeah. Yeah. We've retracted that statement from the universe. But I can, and I agree with you, Doe, because here's the thing. nobody knows well the universe didn't really like that did she no i mean pat just said cancer sucks

and then looked at me and i was like why it's that's the slogan okay so this is we're all here jen questions the girls about that photo that's going around which she hasn't seen but she looks like an offensive lineman And which is way nicer than funny. She looks like a normal person. Offensive linemen are over 300 pounds. So if Jen looked like an offensive lineman, I want to really think about if she was over 300 pounds walking around Orange County.

She was beautiful in the photo. Well, did she? Yes, of course she did. not look like freaking quentin nelson okay she looks like a normal person what did she spend money on surgery or live in orange county right but she got there uh dare to dream so gretchen and tamera have a little uh fireball throwing contest that's what i'm calling it i love gretchen is gretchen is capable more so than any of the women that i've seen on this show in the last two, three years, to sit in the pocket and composedly take Tamara to task.

And Tamara is absolutely, she's been detonated by Gretchen twice now at Hot Pot and here. Also at Heather DeBrow's party, Gretchen is unflappable in the face of that gargoyles antics, and I love it. Go ahead, Ruby. It's because she's had 33 years to prepare since they've been on T.E. last. And I don't think that this is a reality TV hatred. I think that this is a deep and a soul type of like, I will never not be coming for you. You bitch. Tamrat has always been prepared. You can tell she's coming in there. She has her one liner. She's she generally has a

plan unless she drinks too much. Gretchen is out planning her. Gretchen is well prepared, as you pointed out, composed. Yeah. And she's ready to do damage. And she also, as Ruby pointed out, has studied her for 33 and a half years and now knows her weak spots, Tamrat is absolutely miserable this entire episode because she's realizing her, like, very strong, sharp-witted, like, character that she's created is just being just leveled. It's enjoyable to watch. Yeah, and it'd be more enjoyable if you were on a little bit of Vaya.

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I want to feel comfortable in my body. In an hour from now, I'm going to meet Quentin's new class. It's our first day of meet the other parents. I'm going to take something. Yeah, and you have to, when you're doing that kind of thing. But listen, you know what would make you even more comfortable in that situation? Tell me. A big, big, big, fluffy blanket. I mean, think about Pat. Going to parent-teacher night, he's not comfortable. What does he do? He throws a big pink shawl over himself made of 95%. It's like a shroud.

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I don't even know what it's made out of. It feels like I'm in heaven when I lay on top of it or lay over me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we should amend this. We said we had the exiles. We don't even know what the exiles are. We got the largest, okay? It's perfect for cozying up solo or with somebody else.

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traumatic memory that transpired with Teddy where she fell. And, this is this is where I was really grossed out by tam rat yeah just in the fact that I didn't trust her and I was like what a gross thing to feel and I was like that's not my fault that's her can I tell you though it's your six cents it's your instincts and they're probably right yeah when something's telling you yeah yeah I just one really quickly to go back Shane likes ass stuff does he yeah so she's proclaimed on the hell. He makes it wear a football helmet.

Okay. So, okay. I don't know, but he also has said that. Anyways. What are you talking about? I'm just going to keep going and not allow him to,

yeah, dig any further. So, give me, I, what Tamara does here is so. I'm going to go back to it, though.

No, we can't, though, because again, It's the hole is so deep. It's like we're going to lose light soon. No, I want to get to the core because I'm very confused at the logistics of this. Because if you're implying that he's trying to cover up Emily,

then a football helmet certainly wouldn't do it. You can still see through the front. And he's slamming away with his tiny little body from behind. So he's not looking at her face either way. I'm not sure what a football helmet would accomplish. Not even sure what a black eye. Abu Ghraib kind of bag would accomplish if he's slamming away at her from behind it. She's watching forensic files.

I don't think that you really need any headgear. I don't even know why he brought it up. Okay. Ruby, you were saying. I was saying that what Tamara does here is so exactly what you said, Dylan, it is the self-awareness that you have is great. It isn't our fault. It's her fault for making a sink that this is demonic and monstrous.

But what she does is she looks around once her eyes have welled, right? And a couple people look at her and don't recognize it, okay, fast enough. So she must do something to get more attention and that involves walking away. And I, I just, I don't, I don't buy it. I'm sorry, I really don't. I do not believe that this is having this type of effect on her. And if I am wrong, I apologize, but I think that she is weaponizing this right now. You're very sorry, but we feel this way.

It's three judges. We all agree. A little pitchy. And also, Ruby, I don't know if you touched on this, but also makes her bulletproof for the moment. No one's going to attack you in a moment like this. I wouldn't put it past Tamrat either. Well, let's get to a little Darya who is writing songs of cannibal love.

Well, yeah, Dill. She's working on a catchy little jingle called Ugly Angel. Yeah. about cannibalism i think her i think her music is good i haven't heard it have you heard it no but what i will say is i appreciate tamar trying to get her daughter paid you know like get your get girl good for you i also want um less of this if we can please sure now we we speaking of something we want less of we get back to the i want more eddie where is he yeah well we get He doesn't want to be on the show.

We get back to the Little Luke and his struggles with food. Now, the football helmet herself is cooking some ground beef in a pan, and Little Luke comes up to her and says, what's that? And she says, it's beef. Do you want some? And he runs away. And that's the thing that kind of triggers her spiral. And it's not a spiral.

I understand that Emily's very scared. And I get that, but Emily, if you offer partially cooked ground beef to perhaps even a dog, they might run away. That's right. So it's odd and scary. Yeah. There's steam. It's half brown. It's half red.

It's just not appetizing in really any way, shape or form. And also, Darya, while she is cute and I think interesting, I think she's going to be a wonderful human being, unlike her mother. Keep the kids out of the storylines. Okay. Emily, please stop this. Yeah, please. Well, let's get to Jen and Ryan, who are going to marry one another in bikinis.

He's going to wear one too, and they're going to drink Malibu rum, which is, I think it has to do with the CIA kind of weeding the worst of us out. But I don't have any evidence to back that up. But Jen and Ryan are at the gym. This is an interesting, conversation because they discuss her deadbeat X.

And we learn he isn't paying anything. And Ryan is essentially floating everybody's lifestyle in that household, which is especially difficult when money laundering work is drying up. It's pretty hard to find. It's incredibly hard to find. It's a little bit like real estate. You have to have a good network. And if that dries up, you are in trouble.

So by the way, also worth mentioning, they are working out for their wedding. Okay. This was shot a year ago. You know who's not married? Oh, are they not married? No. This was shot a year ago. They're not married. So, boy, that's, uh, you're looking pretty far out with this workout regimen to get in shape.

Well, I wanted to comment on, you know, it's, it's sad that Jen has the, the body dysmorphia that she has because she is literally, I mean, Robs, you would say she's in perfect. She's like, she looks like she is in perfect. shape and she's like yeah i'm nowhere near babe it's like i'm not i'm wedding people obsessed with jogging it's like how much running do you need to do yeah 15 miles what are you doing ruby what's your take on them not being married yet um weird and probably related to the federal bureau investigation yeah yeah maybe so um i really quickly this financial situation with Will. Jen says that she's not really sure why she's not getting her lump sum or her alimony.

How? If the house was sold, you can actually have a judgment come in and extract that money out of his bank account. Jen is a butterfly. I mean, she's just ramming into windows left and right. Like, how do you just have no clue how you're not getting these things? because it seems like this has been going on for a while. Also, like, here's the thing.

Like, and I agree with Emily here. It doesn't really matter what he says, Jen. He is required by the law, the law, the judge the law, so that he has to. So go get your money. Right. And also, she doesn't think about it because Ryan just pays for it. I don't think she's like, I genuinely don't think she's ever had to think about it ever before. So she doesn't know how to think about these things.

yeah she hence his frustration right i actually think and they're not talking about it i don't know how much he's making for the show but that is an income i assume a couple hundred grand for the season that will float you for a year yeah well let's get to the plates um at shana bador's home ruby what was this moment where bador was yelling about plates bitch it was when shannon was recently a fat and um kelly dodd our love came over and said i believe why don't you keep eating and and then walked away. And Shannon's reaction at The Quiet Woman was, this is not my plate, you bitch, throw. And then I believe was asked to leave the restaurant. Yeah. And once again, garbage tits really helping out in a massive way. Oh, yeah. Help us. Tell us.

Yeah. Garbage tits, you know, because we were inquiring as to what, um, what Kelly Dodd was fired off the show for. Oh, right. What horrible things. did she do? Yeah. Kelly Dodd wore a drunk wives matter hat in 2020. And when asked about it, her response was that she was black.

And so, I'm black. Right. And then I do believe that someone was like, Kelly, what? And she says, I mean, I'm Mexican.

Right. I'm, thank you garbage fits. And also, Kelly. Kelly, come back. It is, I mean, yeah, you're awful. Yeah.

Please. Yeah. Come back. Come back. All right. So, um, Meatball is very, very insulted that, um, Bador, what's going on over there, Pat? Oh, well, I, we were at Shannon Bador's house. We didn't check in on, uh, you know who.

Yeah. Yeah. God, I got to get a new phone. Yeah, no. He has an iPhone nine. Oh, okay. Yeah. So Archie's there in spirit, if not actually.

And we talk about how Meatball is, well, I guess she was unimpressed that Shannon was not impressed with her home. And what is there to be, you know, there's rooms in the house. There's a vat of disgusting soup. You guys are being. No, we're not. when your neighbor is so close that when they burp you can smell it to dump okay um you fine yeah i would argue Shannon's house seemed smaller yeah can you imagine pat going over to see me boss house uh this place sucks did your neighbor just burp or is that the soup

i'm so rude well i didn't i didn't realize they to allow how houses to be built this close together. Yeah. Good for you, though. All right. So Travis's son, they talk about Tamara's, um, fat photos, uh, as well. But listen to this. Travis's ex-wife is not taking his son to school.

Who the fuck are these crazies that these people get married to? I mean, Katie's got a husband who lives in, I don't know, fucking, just got a couple of them. Off the grid. And then, you know, Travis's ex-wife is one of the crazier people I've ever heard about. And then we've got Will, like, what is going on? You need to know the people that you marry, if you can. You really need to know the people that you procreate with.

This is, this person sounds like Jack's Taylor. Like, this is the type of thing that I could absolutely see him doing with Cruz. If Britney Lick wasn't giving him alimony or something because he, I don't know, was doing something wrong, he would be like, okay, then I'm not going to give him back to you. Like, I just, uh, huh? So, so scary. Get this real quick story. So, uh, this, I wouldn't call him a friend, but his name's Paul.

He was like 50. His wife has like this affair with someone at work, like this like hot and heavy affair. He learns about it and he moves out and, uh, she goes on to have continued the affair with this guy. They break up like three weeks later because that's how it all always goes, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, she wants them better. back. And he's like, no, we have kids, but we'll figure it out. I'm not, you betrayed me.

You know that Ralph's over here on Ventura Boulevard? He's standing out there because it was across the street from his work. She was stalking him and she tries to fucking run him over. Oh, wow. Yeah. He was married to her for like 20 years and now she's trying to kill him. Oh, no. I mean, Bethany Frankl's ex-husband, I mean, like people really lose this. Well, he, uh, overdosed. Oh, is he dead? Oh, uh, well, no, that was her fiance. Yeah. Okay. We got to pick better, man. All right. So let's get to New Orleans. Shannon what doesn't want to do. She, okay, let me say this just because it's tough. It's tough to read what Shannon Bador says because a lot of it, you know, it's just what Shannon Bador says. She says, I don't want

any voodoo shit coming in me. And that's not how voodoo shit. works right they kind of the spirits kind of dance around you and tangle themselves in your reality but they definitely don't come in you no that's not that's not how that works um but there was a horror movie in the 80s where a ghost was uh raping a woman yeah ghost rape is that what was called yeah so the ladies are traveling separately but burton ernie and the gang eventually make it to the four seasons of New Orleans. First up, the Creel Queen, which is a boat on the mud-brown Mississippi River, which somehow, and really think about this, the women do not know what this body of water is called. Now, they've planned a trip to New Orleans, and I think like just a tertiary

gog, you could probably figure, it's one of the most important things about the city. A couple weeks before we went to Paris. I had that whole place mapped out. Right, right. Right, right. Yeah. You know, if, uh, if you're going to go to Rome, you know about that fucking Coliseum thing. Yeah, and the river. What's it? The Thames or something shit? What's that fucking river? Yeah. So, and see, these fucking. And lasagna. Yeah. So, um, and you agree, right, Ruby? A hundred percent. Uh, the other girls, uh, hit the big easy eventually. And we keep talking about the former fatty photo in terms of storyline like i mentioned this is a real real housewife storyline i love this um every shot of tam rat that you see that they cut to she's fucking miserable

she does not want to be on this trip she understands she's being backed into a corner this isn't working and it's on a personal level i'm enjoying it oh yeah yeah yeah yeah me too it's like seeing uh jacks in line at wiener snitzel you'd be like oh my God. Yeah. What a joy. Well, that's the joy, but it's actually the fact that his reality is that he can smell those steam hot dogs from his balcony.

Right. That's what beckons him out. He's in slides, too, because he walked there from his house. Tamrat is like the little child in the sandbox that kicks sand in all the other kids' faces. And then when they say they don't want to play with her anymore, rather than look deep inside and say, I'm going to be a better friend. She goes, everybody's bullying me. I'm leaving.

Yeah. Yeah. She's a horrible person. She is the type of person who a lot of, this is like you grew up with a, they're just jealous of you, mom instead of like a, hmm, is that, is that entirely true that every single person in your entire class came to you and said, they think you're fat and ugly because you did nothing wrong today? That's wild.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get to the bottom of this sweetheart. But I got to say. Seeing Jackson slides and ankle socks at Wiener-Sinsel would be the ninth wonder of my world. I would ask only then for a photo.

Oh, he's got a lot of time on his hand. Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, can you imagine going up and asking Jackson slides and ankle socks at Wiener-Sinsel for an autograph and then just going, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Your name is even a name. No, I wasn't being serious. He would go across the street. I'm not kidding you.

And I think he would self-harm possibly to the point of maybe. No, no, no. So I wouldn't do it then. I would just tell him to enjoy the mini-corn dogs. I bet Jacks is probably not in this country. I bet he's filming traders or something. Katie doesn't realize that England is surrounded by water? Yep.

Okay. Sorry. So we had to dinner and we go to Muriel's for dinner. There are a lot of restaurants to go to in New Orleans. They go to a place called Muriel's, which is a kind of a New Orleans Buku to Beppo

but for ghosts. No, it seems like a nice place. But the haunted angle is pretty... I like the waiter. Oh, yeah. You know, he actually is an ex-boyfriend of Andy Warhol, that guy. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Wow. He had a John Waters vibe to him, didn't he? Yeah, a little long in the tooth, but yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, um, Heather. Debrough is at this dinner and Gina gets the turtle soup um would you guys eat turtle soup no no just because i like turtles yeah not from they're intelligent yeah yeah yeah that's why i don't eat ham either pigs are pretty smart yeah um i've had turtles it's it's really really

good, but I do feel bad for the turtles. I don't even know how they take them out, you know? Yeah. I don't know. They duck in that shell. They're like, come on out. You know, like cattle are easy. Like, hey, go walk over there.

There's some hay. Next thing you know, their fucking heads over on the other side of the roof, you know. A turtle, they like have a defense mechanism. They just tuck in that shell. Yeah. Don't make me pick you up and throw you against a wall. Dude, if cows had, if cows had shells, we would be so screwed. I mean think about that those are big fucking shells big shells pretty hard to

imagine if they figured out that like they could roll them depending on the size of the herd like at people oh my god it would be no more no more farms of cattle oh wow you sound like what's his face over there um hey um just looking up how they murdered turtles real quick no i don't want to see it um all right so let me um this is massaging that's usually um forgive me for this um me paul i know she doesn't have a glam squad or anything but i think she could work on her hair a little bit more uh she looked like vince neil on the shout at the devil cover uh album cover i was going to say that you were yeah uh and greta i was going to say also that gretchen looks at carman san diego yeah so there's makeup and then there's clown makeup

she was in this woman today this dinner was not a person Mm-mm. She may. Yeah. That was really crazy. Her hat was Carmen San Diego's hat. There's, well, I like the hat. Well, Ruby and I are discussing her makeup.

She crossed the line. Oh, did she? Mm-hmm. I thought it was the Raiden hat that was the most extreme. So we find out that Ryan and Will spoke today. And we also find out that Gina's, uh, Travis's ex-wife, uh, is contacting Gina's children. I mean, at what point do you get a hit out on this woman?

I mean, my God, you're talking to my child. Holy shit. The shaky former lover of Andy Warhol, who's waiting on the table, spills an espresso on Heather? I must say, if a cocktail is going to hit your clothes for the night, the last thing you want is an espresso martini. Yeah, it's a little sticky. Sticky, milky, stinking.

You want it like a van like a vodka cranberry or something. Yeah, vodka's good. Yeah. Yeah. Gin and tonic maybe. Spill a vodka soda water on me all you like. It's fine. It's fine.

I was going to spill it anyway on myself. That's one of my favorite things to do. What type of silent rage do you think Debrough was filled with when he poured that on her? Yeah. Debrough probably spiraled into, you know, when she watches the hunger games or the hunt or something about the most dangerous game. She wonders why we can't just actually do that. Because I know that we have violent outbursts sometimes, but Heather thinks violently about the underclasses and doesn't really see the point in them. I hadn't thought about that because

she kept her cool too much. Like, yeah, because there is an inner rage boiling. Had that been a personal assistant in the cover of her own mansion. Something tells me, she would have been a little more vocal. That's a cauldron. That's a galdron in there. Yeah. So Bador asks, or someone asks Bador if she would date a short guy. And I believe her ex-husband is a bit of a midge. So that's a silly question. But we get to Terry DeBrow, who wears lifts evidently. I bet he was pissed that that was. How could you not be?

Um, Heather says that his shoes are going to be high and expensive. I didn't really understand this. Was she saying that the resale on them is going to be low because the, or was she just trying to boast about her wealth in a very sloppy, non-sensical man off is what I took away from it? Yeah. I, I didn't understand why she was trying to make it sound like he orders them from China and they're very expensive when those two things typically are not known. Okay, I'm glad that you guys were confused about that as well, but we ask about different positions, sexual positions.

Emily likes it from behind. And, again, just the visual of that little guy, just tearing away at that. It's pretty disconcerting. I said this at the top of the show. I don't think almost any of these couples are having, any sex and it's been a while yeah i think i think katie probably is yeah katie jen and ryan no he's totally overcompensating every scene they have with him he's like babe you just look so hot

and i my eyes are drawn to that dyed black hair i'm like babe oh man you in that bikini it's overcompensating those two are not gonna make it to the uh no i don't think so either but that'll be because of the fbi we get to the sex tapes katie's film filmed them. And Shannon Bador. Great line by Shannon Bador. Shot across the bow. My God. Oh, wow. Yeah. I bet Katie films because she likes filming people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fantastic. And, uh, we find out that Jen's vagina is not working currently. Um, Vadge rejuvenation. I, Ruby, so she had a pelvic floor surgery. Yeah, I don't think that that is not what this is, Pat. This is I, I, my understanding of this is I know people intimately who have pelvic floor issues, they're, when you get a, if,

if she's not bullshitting and she had to have a pelvic floor surgery, that's a serious surgery. Wow. But it's not a cosmetic thing. It's a, no, no. It's a bipedal thing, right? I don't know what that means. Like you're bad at walking? Not walking necessarily, but like other stuff doesn't work properly because of it.

And it's it, yeah, it's not cosmetic. Okay. Got it. Got it. Because initially I thought it was cosmetic and I was like, and I'm sorry for being a dumb, dumb, dumb white boy. That's why we ask questions. That's why we have Ruby here.

But I was wondering, how does she have this money? She has this money. She's got some real housewives money. Yeah. Well, next week on the teaser for next week, we'll see that Tamara Faye quits the show. Said that'll be fine. She's done it before.

Yes, she has. Chuck Schumer visited Hudson Yards this week. Ruby sat down with him at Gangs of New York. Wow. Is that a productive conversation? How'd it go? It was great. So if you want the human side of the world's most powerful people, go to gangs

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Bye-bye. Thank you.