Another Below Deck Podcast - An Interview with Reality Life's Kate Casey

Episode Date: August 1, 2021

Reality Life's Kate Casey sits down with us to talk the current season of The Bachelor, Below Deck, RHONY and a little Erica Jayne.  Listen to Kate's podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/reality-life-with-kate-casey/id1154758766 Video of this episode: https://youtu.be/24p5CmDgr0E Get an extra episode of Another Podcast Show every week plus much more at Patreon.com/AnotherPodcastNetwork Merch: AnotherMerchStore.com

about lackluster seasons does this one blow back your bangs at all no no it's horrible be careful what you wish for horrible it's horrible horrible i i don't think it's horrible it we've talked about it being paint by numbers it is kind of just your your milquetoast season of abc's the bachelor or bachelorette um seasons past have been complete fucking dumpster fires so i think it's nice to get some calm waters um okay but it's not no it's definitely not blowing anyone's hair back okay this is my problem with it is that it needs to it needs to reinvent itself it needs to innovate it's been the same stale formula for 20 years and i don't know if it's they're resting on their laurels or they're lazy or why mess with something that's working it's you know if they fucked with

coca-cola next thing you know they're in trouble so they bring back the original they need a shake up here because we have far better shows my wife is masturbating to hotel island or whatever it's called fuck hotel hotel or something fuck hotel island and she loves it they have that show on every single night and every time she puts it on i'm mesmerized by it meanwhile i'm watching an episode of the only a show that i make money podcasting about and I'm falling asleep while I'm doing it. Yeah. Well, I feel like the bachelorette and the bachelor are sort of like preschool and love islands, at least third grade. You know what I mean?

Like you're it's child's play at this point. And it's a joke. And to your point, you know, Chris Harrison left. Now I don't know if people realize this, but I am a little bit of a prophet because I called it. Go back in the archives.

Just before Matt's season began, I said, Chris Harrison's gone. He will be gone. He's not coming back. I did say that I thought Matt James would take over as host, but then I feel like he proved himself to be a snooze fest. A dud. Well, not only a snooze fest, he's a scumbag. He's a complete scumbag. Matt is.

Yes. I agree. Oh, my God. I think he's a little bro. I wouldn't go as far as scumbag. I think he's a scumbag. We are not a monolith of opinion. No, we are not.

You air your family grievances out in therapy or at dinner. You don't do it on TV and rat out your own horrible father on air he was the chris hansen of uh deadbeat dads when he brought his uh his father in but then also the you know i i don't want to even touch rachel kirkenell at the final rose and then you see him you know two days later hitting her up to you know stop by his fucking hotel or condo and beds die and then they're going to fucking espies or i mean he's just a disingenuous prick he any whatever i don't want to back to your point you said but he's i said chris harrison's gonna be gone and i knew it because i saw that abc was at a crisis and they were, we have to get rid of the old hosts and modernize these shows. Yeah. And so they got rid of Tom Bergeron and Dancing with the Stars.

And I was like, Chris Harrison's next. So I think I'm throwing them a bone in the sense that I get it. That this is a period of change. And I think that they were like throwing spaghetti at the wall. I mean, they saw a lot going on and they were like, we got to quick, quick on our feet. We're in a global pandemic, but I agree with you. They've got to modernize the show. I've always said that one of the best things that they ever did was when Jesse Palmer was the host or the bachelor and they had his best friend's wife be a mole. And she lived with the, with the women and was feeding him information. Now I like that. They should do that, but bring a couple moles in and try to sabotage situations because the stakes are higher and it makes it more interesting. And you're always left to wonder,

as I did with the mole in the Jesse Palmer show, are any of these moles really secretly in love with him? And then it gets a little bit more complicated and it brings new life to the show, which I've interviewed an editor of the show before. And he's like, let me tell you something. I go through hours and hours of footage of of them talking and most of what they're talking about is lip gloss so they need to make this show a little bit more interesting um yeah because it's like the other shows are kicking their ass love is blind love island i'm stuck in an island with a guy that i don't know oh f boy island on hbm max is airing next week. By the way,

created by Elin Gale who worked on The Bachelor for years and years and years. To be hosted by Nikki Glazer. People are leaving ship and they're creating their own shows now. So it's like they're still stuck in bell bottoms and we're moving towards the future.

We're wearing crop tops. I got two concepts. You need to pen a letter, Kate. You really do. Kate, here's two concepts because we have another show that we do on our network called PMZ and I featured Tila Tequila in that show, A Double Shot at Love, which was she had guys and girls. Now, we wouldn't get that crazy with Bachelorette, but here's my two different format changes. One is when you pick your partner, whether it be bachelor or bachelorette we then

move into a second stage of filming where we follow you for a year and in your house and like watch you make a tv baby and all that other fun what happened on love is blind like part of the amazing part of love is blind was one you know morons proposing to one another without having seen one another but then you know living, you have Barnett living with Amber. And she's like, hey, by the way, I got twenty five K in debt. You want to go to Acapulco? So, yeah, I totally. Can you buy me a Nissan?

Yeah, exactly. Love is blind, by the way. Too hot to handle. Casey, Kate, as you mentioned, some other shows that are kicking the bachelor's ass. Ratings just in two point five million people were watching The Bachelorette last week. So that is like their lowest ratings ever. All right, here's my other format change. This is a little too crazy and maybe a little too crazy for Bachelor or Bachelorette. We have a Bachelor and a Bachelorette. Why split up seasons? You have a house full of all the girls

that want to be with The Bachelor and all the guys that want to be with the bachelor and all the guys that want to be with the bachelorette everyone's living a house and you know there's going to be a bunch of other romances happening on here and that drama would be through the roof and producers if you're listening yeah you have to pay me if that show comes out of your production called abc's the bachelor bachelorette mix-up at two yeah yeah abc's the bachelor bachelorette mix-up we could totally sell that show and i like that because most of those contestants are pretending for the duration of filming that they're really into the lead and we all know they're like oh my god if i have to kiss that person i'm gonna throw up and this presents the opportunity for them to pursue

their real romantic goal. You know, the people that they're actually interested in, because I think they all suppress their personalities because they ultimately have the goal of either being the lead or becoming an Instagram influencer. Well, there's also this problem with the end result of the show being this like this sacred sacred thing where they're gonna get married like too hot to handle fuck island hotel it doesn't take itself so seriously like they're just you know but we're all watching this you know it's post-modernism that the internet is reality we're watching people compete to get mayor who gives a shit this conversation about being there for the right reasons if i hear that fucking phrase again they're all there they're all there i mean do you glow up on instagram that's it that we're six years old that are competing on the show now

when this first air right you don't think they've been coached up on all the stupid things and anecdotes they should say during the show it's all fake it's pointless bachelor bachelorette needs a makeover or they're i think they're in really in trouble in the next tasha and caitlin being the holler joker face it's it's not good enough you don't think donkey head face since he's been six years old has been studying this franchise hoping we're talking about blake the guy she's probably gonna pick oh i was trying to talk about hunter i thought no pat i get your nicknames mixed up i was trying to use his own nickname he gets his own mix i call it caitlin bristow joker head because she's had way too much fill on her face it's disturbing hunter and blake both i love caitlin

because she is the one of the only people that i've interviewed post show who's like yeah a lot of it was bullshit like i love that she told me she's like i got so fat because i drank the whole time because i was so depressed during filming i was like yeah what am i doing with my life she is the best she was getting banged by nick vile what do you mean that's super depressing and pillow talk hearing hearing about his subscription box company. That was his goal back in the day before he became the biggest podcast. Gentleman's Club. The mayor of Bachelor Nation.

No, I think she's real too. She's my wife. My wife and I's favorite Bachelorette. That was like the best season. It was subversive. Yeah. I loved her. I really love JoJo.

I love JoJo. I don't know why. JoJo? Yeah. I don't know why. I was in love with know why i was in love with gorgeous so so beautiful yeah so beautiful but no there was also something else i i swear it how many black men she put in jail here's the question i have with katie i'm like is she boring or just too normal do you know what i mean like what's real why am i not caring at all about by the time it's like 45 minutes into the episode and i'm like you know i could watch something else on hulu she's definitely not normal because she's calling her mom asking

asking if she douches her ass before she has anal sex and stuff like that so there's something there i think that's her not being authentic and she's got these like dual personalities one she wants to be like this sex positive progressive bachelor who brings us into the future right but really she's a daddy's girl i loved her on that date with greg when they went out and fish and she was like making him look like a little sissy man because he didn't know how to pop up a tent that was the most entertaining she's been to me and we haven't seen that a lot because she wants to be something else. Kate, my answer is Katie is fine. She's a snore

fest, but the Bachelorettes normally can be not as interesting because it's about the suitors. In this particular season, the suitors have never been more of a snore fest. I mean, when they did the Men Tell All last night. It's the same with the Bachelor too. I mean, it's the women are much more fun. Like the Bachelor is more popular for last night. It's the same with the bachelor too. I mean, it's the women are much more fun.

Like the bachelor is more popular for a reason. It's fun to have all the girls, the crazy ones. What I'm saying is I don't think it's ever about the lead. Exactly. That's my point. The humor comes from, you know,

the cast, the cast. And this, this year is horrible. But you know, who is the funniest bachelor ever was Charlie O'Connell, Jerry's brother. Oh yeah.

Later on, I think it has been said that he was suffering from alcoholism during the film. Sure. Sounds hilarious. And I feel badly about that, but I got to say, he made that show so funny because he didn't take it seriously. Whereas I think other leads are like, they really start to believe they're like a knight in shining armor. This sounds like just like Monica Geller's ex-boyboyfriend fun bobby everybody loved hanging out with him but they found out he was a vicious alcoholic yeah i know such a bummer but he was really the greatest

okay we were just talking before you we started recording like one of the bummers of this year of the bachelor or bachelorette franchise is technically we are getting one cycle of The Bachelor, which we much prefer, and four cycles of Bachelorette. So it was Claire makes my skin crawly replaced by Tasia. Then we get Matt. That was a horrible season. And then we get boring Katie. And then we have Michelle coming up to bat like you. Yeah.

More Bachelor, please. Michelle's going to be great, though. I'm actually very confident in that. I think Michelle is going to be great, though. I'm actually very confident in that. I think Michelle is going to be great. We are not monolithic here. I prefer The Bachelorette because it's just so funny to see 30 dumbasses rut the way that they do on this show. But, you know, let's let's mix in a bachelor season, please. Yeah, let's have it be Michael A.

Let's mix in a bachelor season. Please. Yeah. Let's have it be Michael A. And it'll be about rearing children while being 10,000 miles away from them. However far. Are we thinking that Michael will be the next bachelor? And are you excited about Bachelor in Paradise?

I'm I'll take the first one. I do think Michael A. Is going to be the bachelor. Did you see this online? I saw this circling the interwebs. My compatriots have not seen it, but they said they are casting for the batch for The Bachelor. We're looking for single women, divorcees and single mothers. I feel that's a yeah, I would say that that's a good clue, then. Sure. I feel like it's a lock that's going to be Michael A.

And he is genuinely there looking for someone who will mother his son, Jack. That's their best bet for people to be interested and invested because they'll think there's a possibility that he won't pick a horrible person. But if you get one of the other single guys, you're going to go, well, two years from now, he's going to be bartending in the West Village. Right. But I don't want... Sleeping with a lot of women. I don't want to watch a season of earnest single parents talking about their children you know what maybe you're right are you fucking kidding me i don't want a bunch of 23 year old thirsty instagram models trying to

fake it too though well that's what hotel island is that's so true you know yeah you guys might need to change the theme of your show. Maybe. That's why we've spun off, but we've got this audience that just won't go away. So what do you do? What do you do? No, I don't know if I told you this before, but so I'm friends with John Paul Jones. And so... Whoa, I just launched a podcast.

He was like, Kate, the people who watch the show are really young. I'm like, are you serious? He's like, no, seriously. So I announced I'm going to be interviewing him, send me your questions. And it immediately became clear because most of the time people ask me questions like, can you ask them about how they felt when they were humiliated on national television? You know, something like that. Mean.

All of the questions were either, does he wear boxers or briefs or what's his astrological sign? And I'm like, oh, this show is really watched by like 16 to 20 year olds. It's because of the prevalence of these influencers moving from Instagram to TikTok. And like they have massive followings on there. And I think that's why it doesn't reflect in the ratings. They just shows it goes down every season because these younger people are streaming it and they don't show up in the Nielsen. True. What this might lead us to think if Bachelor does not want to kill this franchise, maybe Michael A.

I mean, how many sororities are watching this around the United States on every Monday night? You think they're going to want to hear about James? Like, I don't think they want a single dad. I think they want someone in the middle a single guy a good looking guy you know what you're right and unless they give him like a good like one direction makeover and he like gets some abs yeah but how do we get rid of the fucking kid right that's the but that's like a big fat bug hey can i be a total dick and you tell me if i'm wrong because kate you and I are the only two people on this

podcast that have children. I'm not being judgy, but I'm going to be judgy. If it wasn't for Michael's quiet demeanor and just kind of overall kind of nice guy kind of vibe, what he was doing was pretty atrocious to his kid, James, in my opinion. Atrocious. Sorry. His. Awful.

Thank you. to his kid james in my opinion sorry his awful thank you thank his mother died and his wife died and within a year he's on a fucking dating show to do some self-therapy for himself yes he had a work trip he had a work trip i couldn't do it i think if i think it was like one of those other guys like a jerk had more jerky demeanor we'd all hate him we're like go back to your kid you fucking horrible father but since he's such a nice guy we're like oh michael he just needs to find love maybe encyclopedia by the way didn't the child say something didn't the son say said why don't you want to talk to me anymore because disney had a gun to his head yeah like are you mad at me i think every parent was like dude on the plane. Get that 330 out of Albuquerque. The really I wish I could pull the name.

I can't remember. By the way. And the kids in the global pandemic. So he's being homeschooled right now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That kid is going to get fucked up from this couple of months. But the saddest one was Juan Pablo and that girl Camila.

No. Well, Camila, the terrible ballet dancer but uh Rene Rene when they when he goes to Rene's hometown and they she sees the kid for the first time she's going to a softball game and he's walking alongside of him like is this gonna be my new is this my new dad this fucking bigot from nicaragua venezuela so fucked up sorry venezuela guy i was the worst guy i have to stand up for michael though because like it's six weeks he literally was facetiming the child every day and now he has way more money that will set up this kid like it really i think that proved he was there for the wrong reasons he's like this is a work trip all right

daddy's daddy's putting 146K on my Instagram right now. No, hold on, hold on. You're right. That was the most honest phraseology ever used in the history of the show. I'm working. Daddy is working. Bullshit.

That's what every single mother that goes on, or single father that goes on American Idol and they get the top 12. Oh, I'm doing this for Jonathan. Oh, sure you are. Sure you are. Give me a break. Is it not true that he's going to be more well off financially having gone on this show? And do you think six weeks is going to destroy the kid? The kid's mother already died. Yes. Six weeks when your mother died in this pandemic and you're living with grandma and

dad's on a dating show. Yes, that will affect you. I think parents are irrelevant. It will all turn out how it will turn out as evidenced by you and I. We have fucked up childhoods. My mother moved to England for a year. I didn't know that part. Sorry, Kate. I had a pretty good childhood.

Oh, not me. I was sent away to a school for underprivileged children. So I salute you all. You look like you did okay. Yeah, I'm okay now, but yeah. I don't want to play this game, but both my parents are schizophrenic drug addicts. Yeah, so take that, Kate.

Take that. Wait, my dad speaks with a fake Irish bro. He now presents himself as an Irishman when he grew up and went to school in Philadelphia suburbs. Is he married to Alec Baldwin? That sounds like a positive to me. No, my dad is the original Elaria Baldwin.

Oh, and when he met my husband, because I didn't speak to my dad between two and 33. And he told my dad, he put in a disc of a documentary in Ireland about the Irish peace process. By the way, it was narrated by Bono. And you hear my dad's voice and he's tellingireland about the irish peace process by the way it was narrated by bono and you hear my dad's voice and he's telling a story about the bell tower and my husband's like so you were in the bell tower and he winks at him and like pushes his elbow against him he goes it's just hollywood um no it's a fucking documentary okay this certainly explains maybe we're all bonded by horrible childhoods. That's what brought us into the podcast.

That's why we all love reality TV, because it's people who are absolutely bonkers. Well, no, I had a good I had a pretty good childhood, actually. Well, there's exceptions. And your childhood is like it's not. There's a lot of unique stuff in his parental dynamic that i think shaped your his father killed a bunch of people in vietnam he spilled blood oh okay well there you go he's a mountain man from west west virginia who married a jewish yenta from new york i mean there it's a it's a great dichotomy yeah anyways um yeah fucking fucking patcher that's so goddamn fucking boring

how about erica jane oh my god can we talk about that for a second all right so i'm i'm i'm in and out of beverly hills because i got like 10 shows i gotta recap with these guys did you watch last night's episode of beverly hills i did um and i you know i don't know if you know this but my friend jay is the one that sued erica federal courts, Erica and Tom, and has been on my show to talk about it. What did he sue them for? Uh, for basically for all the, on behalf of all those victims,

screwing them up, that's the lane money. So yeah, you got to go back and listen to those. But, um, yeah. What are your thoughts as the outsider?

Cause I'm like so far deep in housewives for years and years. Do you think she's lying? Yes. Okay. So my wife and I gotten a little bit of a tiff over this last night because she's like, all right, I don't get it. Is she protecting her husband or is she protecting herself? I said, both of them are in save your own ass mode.

And, you know, although it is kind of fun watching it this season, it should just be called the Erica Jane propaganda season because they are allowing her to essentially set legal like her legal uh arguments which is yeah well he was in a car accident so now his brain doesn't work or uh and i got a divorce and i haven't talked to him or i didn't she's basically laying out her case for america before eyes and they're allowing her to do it i mean she's full of shit but so, so here's the thing. You're saying that the car accident story is just part of an, like a long form plan to establish that he has some sort of brain damage, cognitive, cognitive difficulties, et cetera, et cetera. But according to Jay, my friend, the attorney,

he said that for them, they believe that every episode she's digging herself a bigger hole because none of the stories kind of add up. And he believes that Tom is does not actually have dementia. I look, I haven't met Tom. I don't I can't speak to this except to say from a legal standpoint, the lawyer would tell you don't fucking do this show the more you talk the as you're saying you're digging a hole because now they're going to pull her in a deposition and they're going to take this transcript out and they're going to say when was the date of the car accident and then they're going to you know that's what lawyers do and her life is going to be pretty much hell for the next three to five years maybe they have

hubris and maybe they're thinking we can use this opportunity it's the hail mary to save our ass but i think that it's very very clear that she's using her salaried performance on the show to try to prevent herself from going to jail i mean she's like you know i never told you that my uh my husband almost died in a car accident maybe because it didn't fucking happen. Maybe that's why you didn't bring it up. If you're running a Ponzi scheme that makes Bernie Madoff look like some shitty Facebook MLM. Yeah. Then why or how do you allow your wife? I'm sure I know she has her own agency to go on a TV that sticks you in the limelight.

I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Because he had a stranglehold on the Los Angeles legal marketplace and had gotten away with it for so long. He was invincible. And that he was like, no one will ever screw with me. I've got the judges under my thumb. I have other law firms like no one. I can do anything i want

my son-in-law is a police officer like nothing he's amazing i mean he's making all these contributions to he's getting other judges appointments so you think that judge you got to i mean look it's all it's all left out can i all right so one other point on erica talk think about this she's a horrible person before just before we switch on the legal stuff um so is the lawyer that you talked to is he someone who's not from california no he filed yeah he's in chicago he filed the the suit in in a chicago federal court and the reason he did so was because he wanted to make the point that yeah everything's corrupt in la and in his pocket city like you can't yeah you can't you can't control the outcome uh you can't you know you don't have power over and so i um he has told me that he has voicemails where tom is encouraging him to drop

the suit and so that would really be difficult for someone outside like a judge to go, oh, yeah, that guy's got dementia. And last question before you ask the more Erica Jane stuff. Are the people who are now like in his back pocket and stuff, are they kind of just throwing their hands up and flipping on him? Or does he still have a lot of people in his corner? No, no one's in his corner. I think the rats are running off the boat. So with Erica, so think about this. I think the rats are running off the boat.

So with Erica, so think about this. So up until last season, I get it's all fake and all these ladies when they're saying that their guy's going down on them three times a day is all bullshit. Erica Jane had that rap. He's the best guy. You see, when you look at him, do you get it now? She's been lying on the show for years. Why does anybody think it's any different now? I think she's been lying for 20 years.

I think she's a horrible person. I think she is a broken, moral character human being um so and also really quickly you have to be pretty calculated to marry him yeah right because you know you're making a reptilian decision i'm marrying a bag of fucking flesh and bone because he's got a ton of fucking money he cheated on her multiple times she was like what the fuck am i gonna do she did it for Carrying a bag of fucking flesh and bone because he's got a ton of fucking money. He cheated on her multiple times. She was like, what the fuck am I going to do? She did it for the money.

It's always been her motivation. And now it's the same motivation. Protect the money is gone. Well, the money is gone. But now she has an opportunity to protect it and not go to jail. I mean, this is just it's it's death rattles. Well, the episode they had last night, they had frozen her assets uh, assets, hers and his, that's what happens when you're married, you know, it can just, it's part of it, but she threw him under the bus because she's releasing texts that

were from years ago of him cheating on her. So now she's airing that out to kind of lay out this case. Oh, he was a cheater. So he was like, we were, we were split apart. I think she's making that case because she's trying to say, Hey, we didn't really talk that much. We were living separate lives. She's trying to make that case. Then she's like, he has dementia over here. And then she's like, yeah, I'm not going to talk to him anymore. Well, all right. You've been saying you love this guy. He's got the Girardi effect. Now you realize he may have fucked over some people. And the first thing you do is I'm done with this guy. The guy's got dementia and you're done with him. Which which is it? She's making the case that she's well, as horrible as he is, wouldn't you be a supportive wife if the

guy has dementia? I mean, not if no, not if you find out that he's worse than Bernie Madoff. You've been burning through his money at sixty,000 a month. It shows that you have no respect for money either. Well, if she didn't know what he was doing. I think that if you were a really good cast member of the show, what you should say to her is for several years, you've told us he's a really supportive husband and he's made all your dreams come true. And now you're telling us that he's been abusive to you this whole time right so why should we believe you now you just why i'll tell you what k delete everything i just said five minutes ago you just summed it up in 30 seconds thank you for doing yeah exactly she's a free she's a fucking filthy liar she's going to jail that's it she's going to jail but will she go to jail i don't know if she'll go to jail well it's kind of going to be

it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. But I'll tell you this. In the city of Los Angeles, because I used to work in the legal field, people were terrified of Tom Girardi. And it's interesting even talking to Jay. He'll say, I cannot tell you how many notes I'm getting from other lawyers' emails. They're so glad that we're talking about this because they lived in fear of him for so long. So I'm just saying, number one, she was witness to that. And one could argue, well, maybe she was in an abusive marriage and she couldn't stand up to it.

But totally, I don't think you can play smart and stupid. Are you smart or are you stupid? Because you seem pretty smart. Jay, the attorney, says he thinks she's much smarter than he is. stupid because you seem pretty smart. Jay, the attorney says he thinks she's much smarter than he is. But I also think I can judge, we can all judge on one thing in fairness, and that's how she has reacted to all of this. So instead of acknowledging victims or just saying, you know, this is an incredibly difficult period of time for me. And I'm just trying to take a moment and, you you know calibrate or something she poses in these pictures with her like her butt up in the air and then they're very vain and like she just doesn't it's totally disassociates from any responsibility or or

the victim stories yeah it's such a disgusting way right that it's really hard to have any empathy for her well how about this so we do know that well just basically what i guess that page six article had on the show the night before and we found out six months ago and they're filming some funds have been uh laundered around into different accounts and a outrageous amount of money went into her corporation right and so that could that's probably what's going to get her in trouble is the laundering i think yeah i've heard some people say it was two million. Others have said it's up to 20 million dollars. She was consulting.

Of course. But if you know there's victims out there, if you're going to be a human being and then understand that your husband may have done horrible things, wouldn't you as a moral human being say, I'm opening up my books and my bank accounts to you? I and just I lay myself at the, you know, at the altar and just say, judge me as you will. Let me ask a quick cue. And sorry, because I'm not super aware of the entire situation, which should surprise you because I've been talking a lot on it.

In fairness, we have not been privy to the documents, so we don't actually know either. So what kind of law did he practice? Because... Personal injury.

He was a plaintiff's attorney. Okay. How much money was he worth? Okay, here's... Because even really, really... He was asking me at one point to have a hundred million dollars and i would always go oh listen i know a lot of lawyers they don't they don't have private jets i know something's off here i've always said that yeah i know some pretty pretty big lawyers and don't get me wrong

they're fucking rich i mean they are rich but they're not that rich. And they practice. That's what I'm saying. Law that is, you know, heavily paid for. I mean, you know, mergers and acquisitions and shit like that where you actually make good money. A plaintiff's attorney. What are we talking about? How does he have so much money? You know, he was like the Aaron Brockovich attorney. So it's mass settlements for victims. But what we all came to realize afterwards is that he was paying the pied pipe or whatever that is. He was shifting money around in Madoff style. Taking from Peter to pay Paul. It was a Ponzi scheme.

But what is really the biggest thing that he did was he stole from clients. Yeah. That's what he did. And also that whole bullshit racket that was in that what a great doc it was what was the doc it was the the housewife and the hustler it's expensive to be me yeah um and what he did was he'd say i have a financial firm would you like to invest in my fine and we'd know where that money would go with that investment that was one of the like more evil by the way there's another documentary that they're working on right now about it, but it's going to be more about behind the scenes of how the law firm tried to get money back for the victims.

So there will be more to come. Yeah. Wow. Well, you know, another interview I did is with is with the executive producer of the show as the season began. with the executive producer of the show as the season began. That's another good one to listen to. And I asked him, were you at all worried about the footage? Like that your footage might be taken as part of some you know what's the

word I'm looking for? Seizure. Deposition. Deposition. Discovery. There you go. Thank you. I asked him, were you at all that some of your footage may be taken as part of a discovery process and he said our job

is to just film so I said to my team we're going to show up and we're going to film and we're going to keep filming what a leader we cannot think about well is this going to make someone look bad is this going to be seized is it we just have to film and see what happens but Kate don't And not think about, well, is this going to make someone look bad? Is this going to be seized? We just have to film and see what happens.

But Kate, don't you love the hatchet job they're doing on her? Like they zoom into her closet on the shoes and then the jewelry. Like they are having a lot of fun. Which is kind of interesting because then Jay told me that he is a team that are going through every single episode and they're making, they They're taking copious notes of all the things they say, every piece of jewelry, every bag, everything. So stupid to do this,

but that's our only income now. So, well, it sounds like it's better than watch, watch this. It's a good way. New real housewives of New York. Are you watching Kate?

Yes. I just had Ebony on my show last week what yeah how was it i think she's great i don't think she belongs on the show she's too smart she's too smart it but you know what else this show doesn't work it's like i think that each franchise should be it should encapsulate the women of that city. New York should have cool, young women who like, a woman who has either works or has close proximity to like the Knicks and then hedge funds. Yes.

Like all these things that have to do are synonymous with New York. Yes. And we've seen the same women for so long. Right. They've sort of revealed all they can about their lives. Like, oh, we have nothing left to learn. And now there's such a big age disparity between Ebony and someone like Ramona. They have nothing in common. Right. And the show doesn't work anymore. So. Oh, you think that's why the show doesn't work? Listen, you have to you have to like get modernized.

That was a bad one. You have to have women who don't look just like, you know, women who live on the Upper East Side who, you know, are rich and white. You got to modernize it. You got to have women with cool jobs who've got like stuff going on. Not like. Totally. You know, I don't even know what Ramona does anymore. Does she have a job?

Well, she did. She wants to be a real estate agent now. But yeah, I love that. Julianne's job is like, I'm a cabaret she did she's she wants to be a real estate agent now but like yeah i love that job is like i'm a cabaret star it's so ridiculous ramona's like what you can't call it a master bedroom what are we talking about you can't call it a master but what am i gonna call it but no you're 100 right it's it's bringing ebony on is akin to having tasia and caitlin replace chris Harrison. It's not enough. And I'm, you know what it is. It is.

It's like, it's the same thing because it's a show that needs to be modernized and it's this awkward period. And it does, it's like, it'll work. And it's like two seasons from now, but it just doesn't work.

I also think it's a very disingenuous way to, to garner woke currency. And it doesn't work because of what you said's a very disingenuous way to to garner woke currency. And it doesn't work because of what you said, Lou Ramona. So they're there. I'm not going to go into ageism or anything, but they're just not there's not a big enough crossing of the Venn diagram for this to be productive. Well, I think you just look at them and you're like they're not not when when you're watching the show you don't get a sense that they have enough intersection like there's nothing common that they wouldn't necessarily be friends outside of the show right and that's what people want to see on a real housewife show they want to see listen the it's at its best when it's a show about complicated women

their complicated friendships and and living in complicated times like that's what works right and it's really a show about a bunch of different people who happen to be at the same restaurant or something like they don't have anything that kind of crosses over so it's just in a weird period i'm sure it'll be fine in a season or two but now it's just not working i i love that point she doesn't seem like to fit it she fits in and she she will continually say this she's like i'm still getting to know these group of women and like figure out how they work then why are you there don't eat with them and go out that wouldn't really happen but i object to your point about like it needs to be like up the show needs to be updated i don't think it does it needs it needs to be these drunk out of touch women fighting with each other and keep it that that

we don't have to touch the social issues right on this show but at the same time the problem i have watching it is like all of the women because the show's been on so long and the and the meme culture has sort of compromised the authenticity of the storytelling because their base and i know this because they tell this to me privately is that they're celebrated for being over the top exaggerated versions of themselves yeah so if they're falling into bushes it's like girl keep going you're gonna and and then the other ones who are just kind of like normal they're always being called out by me in the meme culture like

you're you should be fired get off the show yeah yeah so you see it in other franchises where they show up and they're one person the second season they want to be like like rehearsed sound bites they have a nickname for themselves they're selling candles they're selling bangle bracelets and you're like wait i thought that you were like this and now you're trying to be something else so i just think it's been it's like the bachelor. It's been on way too long. All these people that are coming onto the show have studied the show for way too long. They come in with their own tagline in their head already.

They probably wrote in their college, you know, or high school, their high school yearbook is probably like, what's your dream to be on the real housewives of Milwaukee or whatever. Right. Well, I'm with you.

There needs to be, I think there needs to be i think there needs to be a passing of the guard it will be a sad one i will miss lou and ramona and sonia but i think eventually you know it needs to i love the show that you're talking about it's like it's sex in the city but it's it's sex in the city but yeah but it's but it's reality television and there is you know uh there are young women professionals who one is a gallery owner one works for you know yes thank you the blood suckers on wall street what you know keep going yes so so we we do that but but the sobriety thing is tough when you do when you have an aging cast because nobody wants to see sonia be as fucking black out

and then and then you don't want to have interventions every two episodes no and the sobriety thing is fucking boring lou has i've loved lou this season but okay just go drink come on darling go drink still drinking go drink Frosé somewhere else and just relax. Don't be on camera anymore. Just relax. Wouldn't it be great if they had somebody who worked for the Yankees? Yeah. Something that was like such a New Yorker.

The thing I love about New Yorkers, for example, is like, because I live in Southern California now, but I'm from back east, it's like a New Yorker is like, I worked out two times today. I was in the office for 14 hours. I have two children named Baron and Presley. I'm going to go to a charity event and I'll probably see three hours and try to come at me, motherfucker. Yes, exactly. Like, that's what I want to watch.

I want to watch an intense woman who will just be direct. She'll be like, listen, jackass. I don't want you to party. I hate your husband. You guys don't make enough money to hang out with me. And you better leave my party. I worked a 14-hour day, ate with my children, went out and drank until 2.30 in the morning, woke up at 6, made them breakfast, went to work.

I hope Bravo producers aren't listening because we just gave them like three shows. So many good ideas. One thing. I hope Bravo producers aren't listening because we just gave them like three shows. So many good ideas. One thing. Like how many friends do we have that worked on Wall Street and they were in like their 20s and they're like, oh my God, we were like, they were like, we were all doing lines of Coke and then we would like bottle service too. And then we would be up at six. And so that's when I think of New Yorkers.

I just think of intense. Yes. I think can we, one thing and Kate, I don't know if we'll get us in trouble with your audience but it has to be said because we did real housewives of new york and we decided to stop doing it uh we agreed that race and certain issues should be discussed on shows but we didn't feel like real housewives in new york was the proper venue in every episode in every conversation to infuse the discussion of race the thing is we're just going to get into trouble as three white guys joking about anti-racism versus racism. But Pat, we've been talking about it. The thing where Ebony told

Ramona and educated her about domestics and why you can't say help. Great. That was an awesome moment in the show. but then every fucking episode is something about it well you know what you know what i think a lot of it did a lot of this stuff happens to be about things that that are off camera so this was filmed in like that scene was maybe november right around election time yeah but apparently I think Ramona had posted on her Instagram in October oh yeah someone had something about Black Lives Matter and she wrote all lives matter right right right so when Ebony is going into the show she hasn't met Ramona right and she's like that's when she said I just need to know from a fundamental level that you look at me as an equal human being. And Ebony's like,

I can't really go past that. And also Ramona doesn't want to have a conversation. Like you'll see on Beverly Hills, Garcelle and Kyle have a conversation. And Kyle's like, I never thought about it that way. That's so interesting. I'm so sorry about it. And then they move on. But in New York, Ramona won't even have a conversation. Sure. But that's why that's the trip up. But it was more than that, Kate. You know, if you watch it, it's and sometimes in every single scene of that Ebony is in, I don't even know who else she is outside of discussing that because it's infused so much.

And again, I don't have a problem with that. And the example I made, which was absolutely stupid, but please hear me out, was I said, look, would you hate a show that you thought say it's real housewives of new york and luann had become a big fan of star wars so every scene luann comes in and says i love rise of skywalker and it turns out in every single episode she talks about star wars we'll start going this isn't the show i want to see old women talk about banging young bartenders and then having pretending to make out with each other. I don't want to hear about fucking Star Wars anymore.

I think it just goes back to they don't really have any real connection to one another. Totally. And here's the thing. Oh, and one other thing. Yeah. They only have five cast members this season. Right. Well, Breshawn's kind of there.

Yeah. Breshawn's kind of there yeah breshawn is is incredible bravo bravo uh is is the kind of network where you we they probably have a responsibility to cover this kind of stuff the problem with having ebony talk to ramona about it is it it's like it's we're watching somebody try to push a fucking boulder up a hill. I mean, Ramona's hanging out with Trump Jr. in Florida talking to Ebony about

Frederick Douglass. It's not going to work. It's not going to work. It's not going to work. Peanuts. Yeah. Hopefully that didn't offend your audience, Kane. I hope not, too, because we We're three white guys that don't know anything. We don't know anything.

We don't know anything. We don't know anything. Can we sell... I know. Can we pitch our podcast on your show, another Below Deck podcast? Well, hang on really quickly. Oh, speaking of Below Deck,

what is wrong with you? It's such a dereliction of duty that you're not watching Below Deck Mediterranean, season six. It is an incredible season it's one of the hot i i rank it number three all time this yeah it's really good yeah it's really really good yeah can i tell you another funny weird thing about uh below deck so i found out that um a girl that was on the season two of below deck is not jennifer lopez's

assistant so i wrote her and asked, will you come on the show? She asked, she said, it just seems odd that you would ask because I haven't really been on social media for a while. Why now? And I mean, it's like, well, but I just, you know, I did say, listen, I interview a lot of people that were on shows a long time ago just to kind of see how it changed their trajectory of their life. And then she came back back and said i'd have to ask my boss and then ultimately she's like look it's just a massive conflict of interest i didn't know if she meant

that the conflict of interest is that i was the one that did the interview with danny about from southern charm that ended up getting getting the a rod story story about a kiss on me with Madison. So I thought Bravo. Did she go back to J-Lo and say, listen, I know we're on a boat. I know I have a lot of shit to do. Quick question for you. Can I just do a 15 minute zoom in the parlor

with KKC? And was J-Lo like, fuck that. Fuck that. No, no. She took this saber that they were busting the corks out of champagne bottles with. Right. And almost fucking decapitated. That's what happened. I am just incredibly impressed by the power of your podcast.

Like the ripple effects, like the lawyer in this massive Ponzi scheme case, like one of the biggest pop culture stories we might possibly get Geely to. Us? Us. You got us on there. The three of us. And not to toot my own horn, but Anima from Shaw's Ascent set

was on Watch What Happens Live. And Andy asked him, how about the fact that you talked about growing up with Meghan Markle, going to high school with her? I interviewed him. And in the course of the interview, he said, I went to school with Meghan Markle. And I high school with her. I interviewed him. And in the course of the interview, he said, I went to school with Meghan Markle.

And I was like, well, what was that like? And he said, well, she hooked up with my friend and then she ghosted him. And we were all like into her, but she was very aloof. And he's like, blah, blah, blah. So the minute he said it, I was like, this is some good stuff, right?

Because everyone wonders about Meghan Markle. So it posts and then all these international papers went wild for anything having to do with megan markle so andy's like so you know and he said well i got death threats from the megan markle army and people were angry but he never said it was my podcast he won't give it to us that punk andy hates us too screw andy question about your career because you're kind of what we strive to be one day.

Was there an inflection point on your podcast where it became like you took like a leap or has it just been grinding away steady growth? Because she's up to 5,000 reviews. I think she popped a little bit more

in the last year and a half. I've been monitoring Kid Casey for years now. I think that I do think that there were some. Yeah, there were definitely some stories that went viral that helped. I do think expanding it to just not just reality shows. So covering docuseries and documentaries like I'll interview the executive producer of the Tiger Woods documentary and talk for 45 minutes about Tiger Woods. Or I did The Last Danceael jordan's biographer and so i you know there was

just a statistic that came out that sam smith five six point five percent of uh people are watching reality shows uh but in terms of all the genres and it's like up to like 11% now are documentaries. So I do think I was smart to add that to the unscripted umbrella because ultimately I think that people's viewing habits are changing and that they're tired of the same shows like real housewives and the bachelor. And they're hungry for stories that are new and different and exciting. Yeah. Like, um, like fuck hotel Island. as in The Bachelor. Right. And they're hungry for stories that are new and different and exciting and show a window into the rest of the world.

Like Fuck Hotel Island. Exactly. Exactly. Or like Tiger King. Yeah. People went bananas for that in a way that they didn't for episode six of Below Deck. There was a meth head with a mullet

eulogizing a man and talking about kissing his balls. I mean, that's just inherently very interesting. In that episode, I asked the guy that he had been spent a week there with Tiger King. And I asked him, what kept that guy John there? And he said he had lied to him and said he was dying of cancer. So he was already on drugs. And then the guy told him he was dying of cancer so he was already on drugs and then the guy

told him he was dying of cancer so that's what kept him there yeah he's a lovely guy but he ended up getting he ended up getting married to the receptionist and he got new teeth well shame shame on you for not watching below deck um but our bread and butter if you have the time i would say to watch because it has one of the most neuroses infected chefs we've seen in a while and i have seen her no no no it's the the guy matt who is uh he's a fidgety pigeon he's quit i think we're on episode six he's quit seven and a half times and why is he quitting why is he quitting can he handle it he's a fake uh so so first episode he gets this job um says that he is a private chef for bob craft and all of these there is no way it's not true no it's not true the only way you could be a private chef for bob

craft is if you worked at 11 Madison park and you don't want to work in three Michelin star dining anymore, then you can go work for Bob craft and pull in 300 grand a year working, you know, 20 hours a week. Not this guy who can barely whip up chicken tenders, but the first day he orders a Mac truck of provisions to try and flex like I'm the chef. This is my boat. This is what I'm going to do. And he gets a panic attack because it's too much stuff. He doesn't know what to do with it.

So he says, my knee hurts too badly. And then he leaves the boat to go get an MRI. The sea rats, the deck crew and the stews cook the dinner for the people who are paying $60,000 a day and get a Croatian gypsy named Duska from another boat to come over who leaves the silver skin on the fucking meat they're eating. It is an unbelievable season. And we haven't even talked about Lexi. Lexi is one of the greatest villains we've seen. Yeah, it's a great season. This is the same season where a gal had an affair or made out. And then we find out she had a baby.

That was last season. That was amazing. That was last season. That was Below Deck's yachting season two. This is now Below Deck Med. It is now 52 weeks out of the year. They have three different spinoffs, and they're adding two more. Below Deck Iceland and one other.

What was the baby thing? Now, did you know, by the way? Danny had a baby. Oh, Danny had a baby. That's right. Big giant jolly donut. Did you know that Mark Cronin, who created Below Deck, also created The Surreal Life that's coming back?

He also did Rock of Love with Bret Michaels and Flavor of Love. We did Flavor of Love. We did Flavor of Love. We did Flavor of Love. We actually recapped Flavor of Love. One of the worst reality television shows in the history of television. 52 miles, right? That's my favorite episode I ever did. Episode 121 is with Mark Cronin.

And we went and talked about Rock of Love with Bret Michaels. Did I ever tell you the story how they had to teach him how to date because he only had groupies? Right. You have to like. He only knew how to rape. What's your parents' name? Do you have a job? And then Flavor Flav gave nicknames to all the contestants. One of the girls' name was something.

But they were filming and this girl, she had to go to the bathroom but it was like she would want to go but then not because then filming would start up. She took a shit on the steps she sure did so when they were recording it all of a sudden they hear something shit on the floor and they were like confused for a little bit and they're like no something like the girl she shit on the floor yeah so then they sent it back to the network and the network was like we cannot air this we can and then they said but everybody in the house is talking about it so if we don't that's like two days of footage losses lost so they ended up

actually oh they got three seasons out of that flavor of love they got to bring back a ridiculous dating show like that where we can all laugh get a an aging bloated rock star that's bald but wears a ridiculous what happened to fred durst from like ous? Let's get him on the show. Yeah. Let's get him back. Let's get him back. That's good. Let's bring the band back. Yeah. Yeah. That's HBO Max content right there. Well, anyways, I think that we've significantly

bored your audience at this point, right? No, not at all. No, they love it all. They love rock and roll stories. They like sports. They like romance shows. They like what. They like romance shows. They like what you bring to the table. Well, thank you for having us. And we're going to steal your idea.

I think we should start covering documentaries. Why are you two guys still single? I mean, if you watch reality shows, this is like such an easy thing to get a girl to talk to you about. Pat Dillon are married and I've been with I live with my girlfriend. OK, good. Yeah, no, we're going to get married or you're just not sure uh not sure what about thoughts and children into it not into it i'm not sure well i'm just mortified at the idea i'm incredibly into it i've i thought when i was 13 i would have children by the age of 26

that was my goal but i do not want children I just found out I'm having a son this week. Stop it. Are you serious? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. What is so unbelievable about this? He's reproducing.

That's what we do. It's not that crazy. They're so cute, Dylan. You don't understand this. You're at the wrong age. Oh, my gosh. Wait a minute. What are you going to name her?

Luke. Luke. Luke is a great name. Thank Luke. Luke is a great name. Thank you. Is a great name. Oh, what's so great about Luke? We love it. You know why? Because Luke can be secretary of state, a football player, a CEO or a writer. Right. Or invent something that saves the world. You know what? My mom's always said this about me. Listen, this is our one bit of advice that I actually took i can't say the rest stuff but um she said you have to think of a bit of a name that works when they're five and they're 50 yeah so can you be uh can you be uh you know can you be a wendy

no 50 you know can you be like a, I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't want to offend anybody. Don't write me letters. But like, can you be like a chase at 50? Yeah. No. You can't be a Braden at 75.

You can't be a Braden at 75. You can't. This is my great grandfather, Braden. This is my son, Skyler. That's what I'm saying. exactly you get it yeah ah they all come around yeah they all come around i'm gonna name my firstborn maury maury yeah great name you know what maury can be 50 but maury can't be five well i know he'll be you see what i'm saying he'll just be a pretty jewy five-year-old, but he'll, he'll make it through.

Oh, Maury. My grandfather was Murray. So. Sounds like an Irish guy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

Um, tell everybody where they can listen to your hilarious show. Uh, they can find us. If you search another bachelor podcast or another below deck podcast, we also have a new property called another podcast show that is really where we uh unhinge from reality television uh talk about really whatever you know is at top of mind um if you really love us you can go to patreon.com

slash another podcast network where we've got video of us. If you want to see that, we're just, we're incredibly good looking. So you have to go over there. Now we recapped Love is Blind. We recapped Juan Pablo's season from like eight years ago. Tons of content. We did Flavor of Love, just the full seasons, like back catalog of podcasts. And I would love to give an example of a story from another podcast show. Pat told us about an in-law he has

that has confided in him and him only about his past gangbanging and murdering people. Yes. So much so that even his wife isn't even aware of it. But our listeners, our Patreon listeners know. The real family. And she has no idea. If she did, she wouldn't allow him in the house.

I will keep that to my little self yeah so assuming on your side not hers yes yeah oh no it's it's a step it's a it's her mother's new husband that she's been married to for about 10 years that tracks yeah so he would feel comfortable to talk to you about it once we have a couple pops in us in the backyard on a sunday he feels the need i always tell the audience i i think it's because he thinks i might have killed someone too right you know i could see that and is this happening during cornhole what's going on this is when everyone else leaves and then he like leers at me and i'm like oh no here it comes another confession i don't want to be brought into this right this could be totally like a netflix documentary in five years conversations in the back with john yeah yeah and the stories just keep getting more detailed

yeah so there's there's lots of you know crazy content over there um if you want to hear anything outside of the realm of reality what if you had another podcast but it's a true crime podcast but you're working in reverse so every episode episode, John's giving more details. And the onus is on the listeners to figure out what potential crime he may have committed. What are you trying to give the producers of Bravo a fourth fucking show? Kate, slow. Kate, if people want to get in way too much free IP, get out of goof. And speak actually pretty earnestly about a lot of this stuff.

Where can they find you? Reality Life with Kate Casey. Every Wednesday and Friday, two episodes a week and it's everything you want to know about reality tv docu-series and documentaries so one episode might be some like weirdo from the bachelor but then i'll have an academy award-winning director of a documentary about um a murder at the olympics you never know what you're going to get every episode and you will walk away with at least three different things you want to watch. She's got range. She's got range.

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