Another Below Deck Podcast - Halloween Cult Escape | RHOBH S15 E8

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Dylan and Pat are back to break down Zander and his hat, Mojave Grey, late nights out, cults, violent domestic abuse and more from Bravo's RHOBH.PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/anotherpodcastnetwork  YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@badtvpod  INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/badtvpodcast/?hl=en

Hi, hello and welcome to bad television. I'm Dylan. This is Pat. Hi, and this is the Today Show. And I'm sure you're all still concerned about Nancy Guthrie. Currently, we have no new updates. New update on the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case. She is still missing and we have no updates.

Now, Pat, let's talk about this for the next block. According to the ring camera, they were wearing masks. Have you seen this? There was just one dude. I thought it was two. I think it's just one. Oh, she's dead. Given the medication she's needed and how long it's been,

if I'm a betting man, absolutely. Isn't it a rule in true crime? Oh, Caitlin's here too, by the way. Hi, Caitlin. Ruby's not here. She's at a work function. She's very, very high up in professional services in New York City. People are still going to be disappointed.

Isn't it a rule, though, that like in kidnappings, if you don't find people within the first 72 hours or something, they're probably dead. Something like that. Also, a major rule is you never kidnap an old person or a baby because they're a hassle. Yeah. Yeah.

Also, 70% of the time, the kidnappers are associated with the family. Dude, I'd kidnap the shit out of an old person. You kidding me? They wouldn't fight back at all. This one did. She was bleeding by the door.

Was she? Yeah, but I mean, it was easy. what are you going to do right i think it's an inside job i'd kidnap that shit out of an old person but um baby no i mean what kind of monster kidnaps a baby you know and that with the price of freaking formula these days are you kidding me my god so um speaking of beating the shit out of um elder women let's get into this episode of beverly hills thank you and they're not elder

they're young and vibrant and they're the real housewives of Beverly Hills. A trigger warning, there's a lot of domestic abuse in this episode. Oh my goodness. Yeah, when they always put that warning up at the end or whatever, the parental advisory. Yeah, if you or your friend is undergoing domestic abuse, call 911. Now, how many viewers out there were pretty sure it was Army Hammer that she was referring to? Oh, really? Think?

That's who she was kind of mixing it up with, getting tied up and all that nonsense during the whole Army Hammer. Are you talking about cannibalism? and come and shit like that? Well, yeah, he wanted to eat her. Yeah. Yeah. Eventually, he said, I want to eat all your money. I said, I have none, baby.

Yeah, yeah. Anyway. The trustees of the bankruptcy trustee is coming after my money, baby. Well, there's something to be said when you're literally squeezing blood out of a turnup. I don't know if people know this, but turnips don't have blood. There is nothing to get from her. Well, I think the old out is just you got to squeeze a really whole. hard and then you can get the blood.

They're trying to make an example out of me, baby. They're not going to succeed, baby. What they don't know is I don't have any money, baby. What they can do, I'm pretty sure she probably makes about a half a million bucks a year. They could put a lien on the pool house. No, she's renting. Oh, got it. Can't put a lien on a rental.

It's a primary residence. They can. You can take that portion. They can take a piece of her salary. Yeah. That could sting. Oh, yeah. it's going to be bad.

It's going to be bad. And the only way that we will be joyous about this is if it is proven in a court of law that Erica Jane, baby, did in fact know a decent amount of Tom Gerardy's criminal activity. Well, the crime here, Adele is she could have not known that he was ripping people off. The crime is when you're co-mingling funds. Like, that's a big deal that people don't think about. like you and I have a business. Money goes in our corporate account.

Right. If you and I start taking money out of that account and go to strip clubs with it, that's illegal. You can't be using because when you're filing taxes with the government, you can't say I went out to a strip club with that money. So technically you're like, it gets all into these legal issues. Trust me,

even though it seems sublime and not like important, it is. So that's what she's in trouble with. What are you talking about? What I'm saying is she is all that money that she put in her account, which was from supposed to be used for paying off people that got their faces burned off, was used to pay Mikey and a bunch of dancers. Right, right, right. And she knew that that money was coming from that account.

Okay. So you're saying that there were funds used. They were going in her personal business account, which was not making any money. Oh, okay. So because there was an open spot at the Orange County Fairgrounds that she paid for. She was using. Okay. Got it.

Now, there are people that obviously, if you've been listening for the past two minutes, there are people that are better at discussing the legality of this case than us. Does Mark Garagos still have a podcast? Oh, he's got a couple. Go throw that out. He does one with Harvey Levin? Oh, does he really? Wow.

What does that sound like? Gle. Just that? All right. Anyways. Let's talk about the show before we do PSAs. Love is blind. some of the most fun we've had all year.

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Turns out Candice, she still is there on the show. She looms large. Yep. Yeah, which is the only thing that mattered. It wasn't winning the game. It wasn't winning the money. It was being relevant to this season of the traders. Anyways, get that at patreon.com slash another podcast network.

Pat, we are in the dunes of Adagantia. Ascabansia or whatever it's called. We are going out with Gray Monagieu or whatever the fuck that band was. We're ripping the fucking shit out of life. Mojave Gray. Mojave Gray. I took a listen. Oh, really?

Yes. Their music is basically, it's shocking that they were playing a day gig like this at a fairly lively party. Their music is something you'd go to sleep to or be on ecstasy. Maybe they were just there and there was like a DJ. Well, yeah, oh, they were playing with the DJ band. I don't know even know. Pull it up. Let's pull it.

Mahavi Gray. Just play their first song, I think, whatever the first one comes up on spot of mind. Oh, Jave Gray. Yes. They only have their first song only has like two minutes. and listens. Okay. Can I say something about Mojave Gray and these two young bucks and they're not young. They're 40. Right. These two bucks with the silly hats and whatnot. Get the fuck out of here. Also took themselves a little too serious. Get out of here. I want to see the ladies talking about

divorces. And if you guys aren't going to, you're just going to sit on the end of the table and have shrimp cocktail, get out of here. Take yourself too seriously. By the way, producers clearly asked them would be there to be a little eye candy, but they were a little too hipstery. from me. Oh, man. You got it up? How long can we play this before they, uh, we get in trouble? Oh, we can't play it at all.

You can't? Well, on podcast, you can. You can play like 15 seconds of it, right? Maybe not. But go ahead. Just let it rip. You want just start from the beginning? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Let's listen to a little Mojave gray. Oh, wow. What? It's just the settings. Why don't you give your, your blind, your blind, okay. This episode was really just the setup for a storyline that will continue on. So Erica had, we got to see Denise again. Yeah. And Denise, uh, joined us and she was going

to talk about that horrible divorce with that, divorce with that douchebag who was the self-help guru who was creating vitamins or whatever hell he was. Oh yeah. Yeah. By the way, little is, uh, little do people know or maybe, uh, fans of the show do. He's dated a bunch of famous rich women before. Has he? Yes. Nicolette Sheridan. Um, God, who is the other one? Anyway, um, no, there are no other abuse claims against him prior to this. But, you know, but he is a mooter. He definitely is a social climber. Sure. A dirty John. That's right. Yeah. Um, anyway, so clearly we will dig deep into Erica Jane's, uh, allegations that she was, uh, sexually, uh, no, I'm sorry, physically abused. Okay. Uh, I think it's going to be army hammer. We'll see. Uh, but anyway, this was a setup. I love the Hampton stuff. I will say that

day club looked lame. Well, this is Ruby's point of contention with the Hamptons. Sitting at that splintered beach or park picnic table that they sat at, probably cost 30 grand or something like that or 20 grand. So there are all of these like kind of, it's a little bit like the dining scene in L.A. where you'll like wait a month to get into a restaurant and then you're like, oh, wait, why do you have people sitting on stools here?

What the fuck is that? the Hampton says that kind of energy. Yeah, it's stupid. I could go have a view like that in Solvane about an hour and a half from here. Well, yeah, yeah, you could. So, and I, yeah, I don't have to wait. And it's just as beautiful. And the people are better looking, actually.

So there's that. But it is nice to see Rachel Zohenor element. And, of course, Dorit and Kyle them just, you know, back being bosom buddies. Yeah, boozeb buddies. Yeah. And so, but all in all, the episode really wasn't. it was just a lot of filler. Is her father's name Shalom?

I don't know. But the season's fun so far. It really is. I think so too. And so I'm going to give it, I'll give it 14 babies. Mojavee Gray. Why don't you fast forward 10 seconds?

Jesus Christ. Yeah. Can you imagine? Holy shit. I thought 30 seconds to Mars was done. I thought we had moved past that whole thing. Well, the vocals sound like it, but the music is more ethereal, like, it sounds like what would be played at a, like a gay club with everybody on ecstasy at three in the morning. Oh, okay, I can see that.

Kind of like a little bit of a, like if the beat drops, it's a vampire rage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, keep it up, keep it up. Can you see this? Oh, okay, so this is, it's techno. Yeah. Oh, wow. I can take my shirt off to this.

Wow. Yeah. I'm dancing on top. of a, I don't know, on top of the bar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm swinging it around. Who wants to suck this? Yeah, I don't know.

Get a little crazy. This is, I'm having fun. This is shots. Actually, this is, this is amazing. Dilla, get up here. I'm having fun. Yeah, okay, can you turn this off? Come on, I'm having a good time.

Holy cow. Rachel Zoh, you're better than that, right? How many knots do you give it? This episode, I give it 12 knots. Was not a fan. No, I was, but it was fun. And I was. and I hated it.

Listen, we get some Amanda stuff. Oh, this is great. I love how the show opens here. One of the most anti-climactic and dare I say boring fucking cult stories I've ever heard, okay? Give me a C-org.

Give me a branding. Give me Allison Mack of Smallville, wounding flesh. I'm in fucking preachers in Florida. I mean, if I can get out of here, you know? Yeah.

12 pots. Okay. All right. Let's get into it. Well, we begin in the Hamptons where Rachel's assistant clearly booked quite the itinerary for the day. Yeah, we're going to have a big night, but Kyle's going to get a run in first. Yes, which I sense truly annoyed the other ladies. When you're a jogger, you're clearly an overachiever. It makes the other people that see you go jogging feel like they're lazy or something. Not if you're within yourself and comprised of confidence, Rachel Zoh says, I'm not fucking doing that shit. Okay. And the tables are kind of flipped in that situation where I wonder if Kyle's like running and she's out running and she goes, why am I running so much?

You know? Because Rachel Joe, Rachel Joe's just having momoses and stuff. Yeah. It's way better. Whose house is this again? Rachel Joes. Okay. So we've got a big night.

But first we have to get to baby love, Amanda, who's talking to her husband about how dinner didn't go well. Well, it goes back and forth. It goes back and forth. Well, their first question is she goes, hey, Eddie, how's work today? And he's like, I think he's playing Tetris on his phone. He's like, well, you're looking at it, babe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And she loves that about him. Amanda didn't think the dinner went well because the women weren't drooling over the opportunity of sitting at her feet with journals open and learning a thing or two about manifestation. Now, the thing I would say to Amanda is that that dynamic was never going to be in play because these aren't broke women who are vulnerable to MLM schemes. Okay. They're just all successful people and your horseshit is not going to work on these women. I also have a theory. Yes. Had this been the first meeting, the women would have been into it. They have clearly gotten a first impression. They would have faked it. They would have faked it. Yeah. And but now their

modus operandi is to shit all over you. Meanwhile, Sutton and Bose head out for a little walk. Bo says that Sutton is softened. She's logical. She listens. And they talk about how Amanda is very braggadocious, speaking of the various remods, the various bags, the various jewels. And Bose is more interested in the journey to the destination,

rather than the riches that have come from the destination. Now, I don't know how that man. manifest itself. I believe we've heard her explain how she's made her empire. So I don't know. What does she keep telling that story over and over? Yeah, I'm not really sure. By the way, you charge, I believe, money for your life coaching things. We got a little bit of that at your package last season, which was a, there was a line out the door to hear you talk about how successful you are. Yeah. Yeah. So one could argue you're charging for people to learn about your bullshit. Right, right. Fair enough. By the way, Caddy Patty Patty here. This is where Patty

transforms. Caneline, go ahead and flag this. Just in case. Yeah, this is where I transform into a gay man. And as a gay man, I am an ally to women. Oh, can you play the Mojave Gray while he's actually doing this place? Well, yes, yes. Why not?

I'm at a gay club. I'm at, uh, what is the gay club? I think it's called come wallows. It's on Santa Monica. No, that is a real place. Come wallows. I'm here. And I am an ally.

A little bit more, please. Thank you. I'm an ally to women, which means I need to tear down their self-esteem by insulting them. It means that we are real friends when I do this. Yeah, yeah. And just, Turned down a little bit. Okay, there we go.

It means we're close friends. And as a gay man, I truly hate to judge women, but whoever did Bose's hair needs to have an eye exam, he left a bald spot between her hair tracks as wide. You could land a helicopter on it. You saw that. We all saw it. Let's not pretend that we didn't.

I'm sorry. Okay, Pat's back. Turn that down. I hate that kind of music. I'm not gay. I'm not gay. You are a little. Sometimes.

So am I. I mean, who's that guy in that movie? What's that guy he is in that movie? It's not Hacksaw Ridge. It's definitely not that. More clues, can you? Yeah, I'll give you some more clues. I'll go ahead and give you some more clues because the first clue was just a movie that it's not. Right. Okay. Now, that does narrow the place. playing field a little bit, but not by much. Okay. Um, that movie where he's a biker and it was on Netflix and he gets in trouble with the cops and he's like that handsome British black guy with those icy blue eyes. You know what I'm talking about? Biker, black guy. He's on a bicycle. I may discover that there's corruption at the, at the, uh, the cop's office. I believe Don Johnson is the sheriff.

Oh my God. You know what I'm talking about. I do know what you're talking about. Oh, how am I going to Panama Ridge or something like that. It's something Ridge. Yeah. It's some ridge. Some Ridge. something like that. I'm gay for that guy. 100% gay for that guy. You kidding? Wow. Yeah. Rebel Ridge. Rebel Ridge. Do you ever see Rebel Ridge? I did not.

Oh, you got to check it out. I'm going to check it out tonight. So Amanda gets back to Doreet with Eddie. And Eddie tries to help her a little bit. He says, listen, when people get divorced, I usually don't want to hear people that they don't know really in any way, shape or form criticized their failed. Do you think he's trying to help Amanda here?

A little bit. I think in the beginning he was attempting to try to soften her a little bit. but it failed. He's not trying to help her at all. This is not what you, a wife wants to hear from her husband. He needs to just fucking listen and just nod his head and defend his wife. No,

no, no, well, that's kind of what he does. He tells her, you know, people don't like to, to hear other people's opinions on their failed marriage.

And she goes, oh, do you mean that she hatched her wagon to somebody with monetary worth to define her worth? And she's the exact opposite of me who has my own money and a useless husband. and that's why I didn't put him on the welcome mat. And he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Maybe I'll just go play back to playing Tetris. All right, so I don't know how he does it. I don't know how the fuck he does it. Well, there's a lot of guys out there that can do it. Can you imagine? He's a house husband. I don't mean being a house husband. I think I could be a house husband.

I'd go a little stir crazy, but I'm talking about being married to, Amanda specifically. Who would you rather be married to, Bree or Amanda? Oh my God, Amanda. Really? Yeah. You like Amanda.

No, I don't. You have a crush on Amanda. It's not my type at all. You have a gay little crush on Amanda. You know I like black women. Okay. Little FaceTime with Kyle and Erica. Erica, baby.

He's going to sit down with Denise Richards, who is divorcing the hand crusher. Crush is a little bit more than that. Crush your fucking hand. Get out of the fucking wear. I'm a fucking question. All right. Fucking pectorals calm down there, bitch, right? Because you're a bitch, right?

So if you hit women and you're all strong and stuff, you're a bitch. I feel like, sometimes I feel like the old guard of this type of male is aging out. Thank God. Yeah. I think so. I don't see a lot of young men that are engaging this type of behavior. There's lots of different pockets of stuff all over the place. though. But the Hollywood type of this type of male was rampant in the 90s. They were all over the place. Yeah. And I see less. You're talking about backhanders? Just the kind of fluffed up, long-haired, like overconfident, egotistical. Oh, you're talking about the aesthetic. But also the attitude. Okay. Like they came out here to be actors, but now they're kind of con men. Right. And they'll do anything to get fame and money. And they got touched one time by a producer.

and they regret letting him do that. But now they're physically abusive. They're con men. Yeah. And they're verbally abusive to everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

So let's get out in the Hamptons. Kyle was going to wear a fishnet with her ass hanging out. And Rachel says, like, yes, bitch. I want to see Kyle doing the splits. Pat, do you want to see that,

Kyle again? No. Okay. No. We get to Zander Black. We meet Zander Black of Mojavee Gray. His name is Zandr. are black and he's in a band that sounds like that called mohavi gray and he's wearing that cowboy hat so

the beautiful thing about human beings is that there's a spectrum of expression right you have douchebag you have speaking of myself you have slovenly uh yoga pantress we have all of these different kinds of people it's creative you know um zander black is no way his real name it's just impossible that his real name is Xander Black. I don't think so. You know what? I always appreciate people still going for it in their 40s. Yeah. Oh yeah. Look at me. I did. Yeah. How successful I am. Totally. Yeah. Did you, okay. I don't think it's the same. Yeah. I don't, you haven't really dawned an ornate hat. No. True. What do you think? Is that in your future? No. I wouldn't do that. God, I'd love to see patent that hat. But I would.

would if it make me more money. Okay. So the fun is back for everyone. The fun Kyle. Oh, the fun Kyle. Well, she just, all right. So this's the day club.

They're ready to rip it up. The sunrise, Derreit, you know, DeReed is reminiscing about how she would walk back to her apartment. Yeah.

It sounds like everybody in their 20s living in a city. We'd party all night and then until three and then we'd walk back to our apartment. Yeah. Unless you. you were a fucking or like who didn't go out till three on the morning with their friends when you lived in a city okay yeah yeah okay so anyways um we get to lay allen bows

uh lake hollywood lake hollywood lake hollywood trail a little secret treasure i if you live here or live close and you haven't done this you must do it you know i have to say um there are a couple spots in l.a that you know for for people that would come here i would say you know, Beverly Hills is one of these things on the lists of like, you got to go see Beverly Hills, which you don't. It's, um, you don't. Griffith Park, right? Sure.

Lake Hollywood, the paths are much less trod upon than somewhere like Griffith Park. I mean, they're just, it's such a little treasure. But another place I would say, we went recently, have you been to the Huntington Gardens? That's in Pasadena. Yeah. Yes. stunning. It is.

I went on a very hot day, so it was unpleasant, but yes, I have been. Stunningly beautiful place. If you've got kids and you're coming to Los Angeles, you've got to take them to the Huntington Garden so that they can see the lush beauty of the different, just these curated botanical paradises, and I have to say just really quickly, the tea program there is unbelievable.

Obviously, you can do the high tea in the Rose Garden, but just the cafes, they have all of these different teas. of the best Role Gray I've ever had. If you go to the Chinese guard, they don't have Earl Grey. They have U-Long, magical U-Long. And if that's not your cup of tea, fuck it. Go to Universal Studios and go on the mummy ride. You can watch old people have heart attacks and die. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And honestly, you should do that because that's crazy. It's traumatic, but you, it's crazy. I mean, it's kind of funny, too, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who let her on the ride? Right. You slug back a butter beer from Hogwarts and watch an old person have a heart attack. I mean, that's a day.

And then you can go to Bubba Gump shrimp, but let's get back to Lael and Bose. Summer is almost over and Laiao has not gotten a job. Boz has told her to get a job for months now. She is not. And there's a very kind of like ha ha kind of quality to it. Also, Lael is driving a Porsche as we know. Boz, be careful. Look out, Bose. I am a little concerned. I'm concerned because it's just my God and me. I think You know, Bo strikes me as someone who protects the outward persona, a perception of the family and goings on. I just want to make sure that Leal is what we're seeing is what's taking place and not behind the scenes. There's a little mischievous. Let's just, I'm not even saying that, you know, we don't have, I don't think we're, we have anything close in the same stratosphere as let's say a Robert Jr. case, right? Oh. But what I do worry about a little bit is that, that, you know, obviously successful parents can spoil their children a little bit too much, right? We've got a 16, 17 year old in a Porsche.

Yeah. So that's not. And we always know that goes well. Because why would a teenager get a fucking job if she's got a Porsche? How does that make any sense? Well, and by the way, we clearly know how a 16 year old can fill their entire day when they don't have a job or school, right? Yep. What do we do?

Exactly. All right, let's get to Amanda and Doreet. No, Amanda and Erica Jane, baby. Oh, yes. Erica Jane says, is that door open, baby? That's not safe around here. Here, baby. Watch out.

My ex-husband would walk through the door and take everything you fucking own, baby. I think this is in the hills of Encino, which is. No, she's in Kyle's house in Beverly Hills. In Beverly Hills. Okay, so even more safe because there's security patrolling all over the place. Have you gone to Beverly Hills? They have those police satellite, truck's all over the place? to the place they ain't getting fucked with. Get out of here. Um, so, uh, Erica is given the money as

my mood cup. Very cool. Amanda loves Erica because Erica is interested in her. She's not. She's just interested in her cult. I, well, she, well, hold on. Boy, there was no sagui there. How she, there was no buffer. We want to know about the cult, baby. So she starts, she's into it, though, but, uh, Amanda thinks that, uh, she's a kindred soul because Erica used her manifest, manifestation techniques. a way. Erica manifested having sex with a corpse that steals money. She married the Winkly Con Man. And now she gets to pay to perform at Pride Festival.

So it all worked out for her. Yes. So then Erica begins to offer some sage advice on how to get along with the group, you know, because Amanda is having a tough time. Tell us about the cult, baby. And then she quickly buffers, dare I say, without any kind of buffer, you know. So tell us about the fucking cult, baby. That's what we all want to know.

And Erica Jane says. says, I know a thing or two about cults, baby. I knew somebody that escaped from nexium. Now, nexium, that's a cult. Mm-hmm. Okay. That is a cult. That's a cult.

This? This is... This was a cult, I think. It's a cult, but it's not an exciting one. Jones Town. That's exciting. Well, technically a cult is defined by anyone who's under control and loses control of their own... What do you call it?

An old agency, yeah, yeah, yeah. In a group set. This is just your kind of run-of-the-mill, Christian fundamentalist cult, which is problematic for everyone involved. Amanda was finding her spirituality when she was a young woman, rebelling against her...

Parents? Yeah, I would say secular upbringing, and she decided to go to Florida to be a part of a Christian fundamentalist cult. She left on Halloween in 2008. I believe I was She left the cult Yes

And I believe I was trotting around Los Angeles somewhere on that evening I was too I was at the Santa Monica parade Fighting with my ex-girlfriend Oh really? Yeah and my friend who dressed up like a cockroach

Oh really? What was the problem? Just not a sexy outfit Well we were having a good time And I had been talking to a girl or something So my ex was like really She had a few in her Yeah

She was really upset and I was just like, oh my God, I can't take you out anywhere. Yeah, I might have been in Santa Barbara, actually, seeing some of my friends thrown to the ground by police. I'm not sure. But whatever we were doing, she was escaping a cult. Oh. Wow.

Yeah. So anyways, we moved on. It was kind of like we were living the same life, though, that. Yeah, I would say so. So we get to dinner with Zander Black and Mojave Gray. Also, Michael Palancey from Mojave Gray. there's two members. That's it.

This was the band. This is the band. Go ahead. Play us the first song at the top of their Spotify list. Okay. Let me post. I'm on YouTube. Oh, damn.

The beat had literally just dropped. Sorry. I don't know what the hell. Let's play a different song. Their first song is pretty good. I've listened to the whole thing. The problem is I listened to it last night. And then I got in my car this morning.

I was like pondering like, why do I want to kill myself? And I was because I was on their, I had been listening to their music, unbeknownst me. Are you saying it's kind of like an MK Ultra type thing? Yes, it's like, oh my God, I think I want to smash into a wall of my car. I'm like, oh my God, it's this music doing it. Yeah. Yeah, okay.

Okay. Number one on the spot. Yeah. Here it is. Oh, wow. This is very different. I mean, this is some of the best. They should open up for Cole play.

Okay, can you fast forward 20 seconds, please? It's the same shit. This is the song. and another 20 seconds and another 20 seconds. They added a snare. Breakdown. Oh, wow.

Okay, that's enough of that. Yeah, I don't want to sound like a crumagony old fuck, but, you know, what happened to the culture, you know? Well, it didn't move. It's the same shit we've been listening to for 20 years. Daph Punk is better than that, though. Well, they've just stolen what Dapunk was doing, and they just made it worse.

Yeah, there you go. Okay. All right. Now, Rachel Zoh, and I wish Ruby was here so that we could fight because I miss fighting with her. That's how much I love her. Yeah. Rachel Zoh has a story about how she met a 26-year-olds at a party. But she doesn't just say she meant out of a party. She met him at an Oscar party. Because why omit the detail that it was at an Oscar party? Because- One of the coolest parties you can go to? Well, if she doesn't say Oscar party, you know, it's like she wasn't there, you know? So she says Oscar party. Now, the reason I'm bringing this up was to say how good she is at Bragg. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Because she could just say party. Yeah. And that's why she's good at it. And that's why Amanda's bad at it. Yes. Because Amanda would say, I was at this Oscar party and I got invited by this friend and I was going to go to a bunch of Oscar parties, but I got picked by this one because I heard like, you know, obviously, uh, shammie man was going to be there.

They go away. She goes into the goody bag. She starts talking about the, the crystals that they had in the goody bag and all the stuff. Rachel just says, I was at an Oscar party. Clearly you're awesome, Rachel. Yeah. And it's a little bit like when you were trying to educate Kalin

about when you ask someone for something that they're likely not going to give you, you just, that person has to just lie, right? They got to say, sure, I'll check it out. Yes. They're both braggadocious, but there's a quality of Rachel's bragging that kind of manipulates reality. in a way where you think that she's actually more humble than her station should be at. And that's a

deaf touch, right? That's what happens when you have accrued a serious amount of wealth for a good amount of time. Also, it slides right past your ear, but you picked up on it. Right. And your ear kind of grabs onto Oscar. You're still holding on to that when she's already on to the point that a 26 year old hit on you. And then you're by that point, you're like, I think she's too good for me to be able to hang out with her. Exactly. Exactly. It's the Rachel Zoe effect. Then the inferiority complex starts to creep in and then you are her surf. I believe that is the station that she has to read in right now. DeReed desperately wants to be her bestie.

Oh my God. So anyways, we get to this article that comes out. By the way, I love how we're all enjoying dinner and suddenly everyone's staring at their phone. Yeah. I think that's like BuzzFeed. Who, what do you got like alerts for BuzzFeed stories? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Erica, Erica Swamp Rat is being sued into the ground for $25 million. Slow Newsday. By the, what are they called? Trustees. The bankruptcy trustee is also known as the victims of the husband's criminal schemes. Right? Is the banking trustee different or bankruptcy trustee?

Yeah, I think it's a group of people. Basically, they went into bankruptcy. So now you file bankruptcy, meaning I don't have anything. So good luck. Right. Yeah. Well, the boys leave.

They just leave. I don't know what the fuck they were doing. It's just useless inclusion. And we talk about Brad Pitt. And Doreet says, ew. Okay. Yeah,

that was pretty hilarious. Yeah, that was hilarious. To be fair to her, she likes guys that owe the IRS $2 million. Well, she gets into this kind of sage advice that she heard from her mother,

which was don't marry the most attractive guy in the room. She didn't. She listened well. Oh my God. Yeah. Always marry the fat fuck. She's shre frosh, please. She shre frosh.

Let's get to the sit down with Denise at Madre. I believe that's, who is the Latina chick on Desperate Housewives? Eva Mendez. Yes, I believe she owns this. No, Eva Longoria. Evio Longoria, thank you. Well, the place is called Madre. Hey.

It's on Fairfax. Denise Richards returns to the show. lost 200 pounds and she got a face. And her jacket is not upside down. So I think she's not on that many drugs. Yeah, for sure. Set in order's Shannon Blanc with ice. You know what?

I'm tired. I'm done judging people for putting ice in their wine. My wife does it all the time. I think it's completely fine. It's trash, but I like a lot of things that are trash. I mean, come on. If a wine's not cold enough, give me an ice. Do you think it's trash to have a conversation started that is,

who how are you guys doing? I just came back from a fucking facelift. A little bit. Wow. You don't want to start with how was your weak, Ben? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it turns out that the surgeries are important because it is when Denise is most vulnerable. And in post-op, when the anesthesia is wearing off when her ex-husband decides to punch her in the fucking face. Okay. Now, I've seen him. He's diminutive. If you saw him, she could probably take him out if she was, you know, lucid. Sure, 100%. And that's why he knows I got to do it now. Um, so this guy belongs in alligator Alcatraz. Um, he is the worst of the worst. And we, you can tell that he is the

worst of the worst by Denise's own admission that Charlie Sheen was a better husband. Jesus. I mean, that's bad. Yeah. Now, Charlie, Charlie has his own past. You know, he had some business with locking a working girl in a hotel in New York a number of years ago. Sure. I dare, that would be called kidnapping these days. Yes, it would. And in those days as well. So it's not a good luck.

I'm going to drink the rest of his Red Bull in this fridge, by the way. Oh, really? Yeah, I don't think it's coming back for it. So you can get a little of what he threw down in this room. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, you could get Tiger Blood and also hepatitis. B, C, G, 2. I didn't even know they had hepatitis too.

But anyways, it's very, very heartbreaking. What's going on with Denise and Erica then lets a cat out of the back. She, too, has undergone, experienced undergone. Ben the victim of domestic abuse as well recently. Sutton is blown away by just how cool these two are. I mean, she's like, I've never been in this toxic relationship. No, Sutton is very heartbroken for, for Erica, that she's just kind of on the brink of,

she's been struck mute and she's on the verge of tears because. I haven't told anybody, baby. Erica is, if you love Erica, if you're a friend of Erica, it has to be tough to see what she's been going through of late. Erica has been really getting pulverized by life. And unfortunately, I don't think that that is letting up anytime soon. So wheels of justice are slow. I would argue there is a thing in law called the habeas corpus,

which is someone has the right to a quick, in speedy trial. This things have going on for, I don't know, seven years holding that over your fucking head. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a long time. But anyways, is Denise coming back on the show? No, I think she's going to be a friend of the show. Okay. Well, we'll see what happens. Until next time, Ruby will be back next week. Join us at patreon.com slash another podcast network for Traders.

Love is Blind and more. I'm Bill and say goodbye. Pat say goodbye. Bye, guys. Kalyn.