Another Below Deck Podcast - It's Just a Fraud Alert | RHOBH S15 E11

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

Dylan, Pat and Ruby are back to break down flowers, salads, love, debt, what happens on banking apps when your card triggers a fraud alert and more from Bravo's RHBOH.LummiGummies.com CODE BADTV PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/anotherpodcastnetwork  YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@badtvpod  INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/badtvpodcast/?hl=en

The guy's kind of half joking about being fucking unemployed. That's called planting a seed, by the way. A seed of a flower that will soon bloom into a plant of unemployment. Trust me. Oh, sure. That plant's going to be like that plant in the fireplace in Jumagi. It's not a good plant. No, no, no, no.

Yeah, that's called foreshadowing. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, poor Keeley, his hair looks like, do you see his head? Oh, yeah. It looks like he was attacked by a squirrel on meth. Poor guy. God damn, is that scary.

Hi, hello, welcome to bad television. I'm Dylan, that is Pat. Great to be here. Ruby is here as well. Oh, so good for her to be back. I feel like we get in trouble with just the two of us. Yep. Well, hello, Dill.

Hello, Pat. How are you? Great. Good. Kalin's here also. Hello. God, it's been a great month. Great television.

television. Valentine's Day. Are you kidding me? Ah, traitors. We got love is blind, which was a decent season. Yeah. This season of Beverly Hills is actually pretty good. This season has been a lot of fun. Tonight's episode, very heavy. Swamp Rat is a swamp rat. She defrauded and her husband defrauded a lot of people. The stuff that's going on with Denise and Erica, I don't want to say trigger warning. I'm not that kind of guy, it's really sad. It is sad. I felt myself actually getting pretty choked up for for Erica Gerardi. I mean,

why is going on? I know, I know. I have a hard time even finding a way that we would even discuss it other than to say it's that's very, very tragic and I hope she's able to deal with it. Yeah. And not have therapy sessions about it on television.

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meh. Well, I call this type of episode a check-in episode. There's not, uh, it's not 20 minutes of the cast yelling at each other across the table. It's, I actually like episodes like this, because it just bounces around and it checks in on everyone. You do love this kind of episode. I do. It moves much faster. I don't like, uh, what do you call it when it's like a stationary, Like, I don't like movies where there's just three locations. Me neither. I hate those kinds. That's what, they pulled a rug over us with that whole goddamn, the rip.

The rip. Oh. Everyone's talking about the rip, the rip. It's Matt Damon and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one, they're in one fucking place the entire time. It's just such a horrible movie. Oh, my God.

Jake Gyllenhaal, there's a movie called The Guilty or something like that. He's a 911 operator. He's sitting in a chair in one room, the entire movie talking on the phone. Valiant effort. Boring. Rube's, wasn't the rip horrible? We've talked about it before. I'm sorry. I was going to say, I have to interrupt you both just to say, I don't know the Jake Jillen Hall one, but I love, I love few things more than Matt Damon. I love few things more than Matt Damon and Ben together in a film with cops and guns and fun heists. Yeah. This was, this was a reprehensible piece of content. Do not watch. Do not come. And Kaelin feels the same way.

he likes crap I thought it was okay until the climax hey hey hey hey you're addicted to crap huh I mean my gosh I'm an easy critic all right so speaking of critic what did we think about this episode why don't you go ahead and give your babies Ruby okay

I like to see rich people therefore I'm actually enjoying these Hampton's check-ins I like what Pat said I like to see the bopping around I like to see the money being spent and the car being declined. Doreet continues to be, I'm sorry to just objectify everyone this evening.

She's so hot. I'll watch her do kind of anything. Erica, of course, we'll talk about that, although I don't think that we should. Same with Bose. No, that whole scene was so bad and hard, and I hated most of it. Love or daughter. I would agree with Pat. a good check-in episode kind of necessary.

I'll go 64 babies. I think Pat's going to have a lot to say, so I'm going to just say this. 51 babies. The conversation with Bose and Keeley in front of her daughter is one of the most inappropriate conversations I've ever seen two adults have in front of a teenager before in my entire life. Go ahead, Patrick. Okay.

We're really getting into this cast here. And I appreciated that there was, it was Amanda Light. Okay. Oh, yeah. We've needed her to take it. take a little break, I think. I didn't even notice that. Oh, yeah.

All right. So, um, let's start with, I, first off, I agree with Ruby about Doreet. Doreet is hot and she's one of the most horrible people ever. I call her hotter, hodorable. You don't. Hoterable. You don't call her that. I'm trying.

Clearly. She's hodorable. What do you think, Ruby? Don't. Love. Chapter 9 of the book, this will be in the phrases to define someone as. Thank you. She is really not a likable person.

Hutterable? Mm-hmm. You can't take your eyes off her, but you know in that beautiful body, in that head of hers, she's evil. She's truly evil. I think she's a despicable person, because we know personal stories about her. that kind of line up with her being late, being up in her room, like, what is she doing up there? We know what she's doing up there. Bose, that conversation with Leal and Keely, please.

She's putting it on Keely. Well, Keeley, will you still want to marry me if I don't give you a baby? The dude's fucking 50. He's lived the first 50 years of his life without a baby. I don't think that's even in the top 20 of his priorities right now. The guy's kind of half joking about being fucking unemployed. That's called planting a seed, by the way. A seed of a flower that will soon bloom into a plant of unemployment.

Trust me. Oh, sure. That plant's going to be like that plant in the fireplace in Jumanji. It's not a good plant. No, no, no, no. Yeah, that's called foreshadowing. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's not going to work out. And by the way, poor Keeley, at least. His hair looks like, do you see his head? Oh, yeah. It looks like he was attacked by a squirrel on meth. Poor guy. God damn, is that scary? Yeah.

Think about that. I mean, oh, by the way, the other day, I went out to take the trash out. There's a beautiful kind of emperor pigeon there. One of the most beautiful pigeons I've ever seen. Stunning bird. It was just going like this. He wanted food.

No, it didn't. I think he was dying. There was nothing I could do. I put out a bowl of water and he got all upset and he flew away. I was just like, what is going on here? But to think of being attacked by a squirrel on amphetamines, I just don't know what I would do. God, that's... They're becoming a new version with all these unhoused people around. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're kind of forming a new breed. Oh, right, because they ruffle around in the sleeping bags. They find the sacks and stuff like that. They're like cocaine bear. Yeah. Okay. Ruby, yes. Well, Dylan, and Dylan knows this.

The squirrels in our mother's neighborhood bully our dog. They bully him. And we also have members of our neighborhood who actually are housed and feed them because they're fucking losers. Okay. And so I, when we're walking, the squirrels are emboldened. They will not move out of the sidewalk and they swish their tails in front of my dog. I'll pick up a rock and I will throw the rock at the squirrel and try to hit the squirrel. I miss 100% of the time because I'm not.

not good. I hate squirrels. I think they're mean and I think their spirits are dark. Wow. Well, Achille was a bad shot with a rock because it looked like it got to his face and like took a big junk out of his fucking fat. That plant that he's turning into, it, you know, we, we went to the Huntington Gardens. It's called Unemployed to you. Ooh. You know, she really, she really, yes, and you. She really supports you. First of all, I don't. I don't. I don't. I We get called out for teaming up against Pat. I think I am quite, I call them as I see them. Thank you.

You were saying, Dylan. What did you say, Doreet was? Hotrable. Yeah. No, that's not what you called her. You can't even remember the word. It's so insane. And she said that she loved it.

All right. Let me continue my babies. Can I just say really quickly? And the fans are going to be so annoyed with this because it's going to just leave nowhere. But I do want to say, My wife and I went to the Huntington Gardens recently. Have I talked about this?

Yes. We went into the bog. There's a bog room. The bog, I mean, it sounds disgusting, doesn't it? Many of the plants in the bog, they're carnivorous plants. They eat the meat of bugs and stuff like that. And that's why it smells. You go into a bog, it smells like shit.

It fucking smells like shit, man. This is what. Keeley's going to turn into in about three and a half years. Wow. Okay? And Bose is going to love him. And I think that's insane. Now,

I am shocked that he made it to season two with her, though. Finally, Erica Jane, baby. Her is sitting there, because that therapy session, there were two subjects that she wanted to touch upon.

The first, you've already touched upon, which I touched it with a 10 foot pole. Neither am I. The second one was all these goddamn lawsuits. Now, the thing is, is that Erica,

does not, does not mention that she kind of brought this on herself. Had she just told the lawyers or the FBI when they were raiding Gerardi's offices and whatnot, here are the books. Come on in. These are the bank accounts. Had she meant with the FBI?

She's a ride or die bitch, baby. She said, no, no, you're not coming in here, baby. You're not going to get in here. She had her lawyers, roadblock everything. She made a big deal out of it. She would not sit down for a fucking deposition. And that's why she's here. That's why she's here.

She was not transparent. Can you clarify? So I know the $10 million in taxes is just like I get whatever. Taxes, cheers. I get that one. The $25 million is from one of the burn victim families saying you owe me $25, or a bunch of them to her saying, give us your earrings.

You owe us $25 million. Right. I think for them, this is less about money and more like them taking her to task and getting it on record. Right. So she's not going to show up for anything. This is civil. She doesn't even need to show. She doesn't even need to show up to court. There's going to be a settlement or something or judgment. And then they'll fucking just take money out of her pay. That's, you can't, you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. she she simply does not have the money so how many babies by the way that's why she's renting that place and i say it's a bad look i don't care if she's leasing that porch that she was washing at the first episode it's like it's a bad look erika you wouldn't if erika is paying more than people pay for their jettas for that Porsche she should be getting every single thing in her life for free except for her food and the roof over her head.

It's just very simple. Like, let's just get, uh, let's get a sturdy 20, 22 Volvo. That's it. That's a great car. That's a lovely car. And it's not going to flip. It's not going to piss people. Here's the thing.

But Erica Jane isn't that person. She's defiant. She sees this as you're not coming for me, baby. I'm going to be who I am. I'm a swan brat. Swat brats fight back. She's turned the dining room area. of her kitchen into a glam studio.

I don't know if you saw that. That whole wall is just a mirror with the makeup light on the side of it. And you're right, that's her. She will not not have glam all the time. Yeah, babe, babe. Can I, we'll move on to this. We simply have to.

Oh, great, fine. 60 babies. We start off with Bose and her daughter in that car. Speaking of buying a Porsche, Sutton and the tennis pro as well. I want to talk about the profession of tennis pro really quickly. Is there a cushier gig on planet fucking Earth? Not only that.

Very lucrative. Of course you go around. I mean the tennis pros in the Hamptons. What? What do you? Okay, so here's the thing. One, you have to deal with people that want to fuck you, but ha, ha, ha, can't. Yeah, those women haven't been touched in 104 years.

Okay. You're, I'm saying it, not you. This is catty-patti speaking here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He'll be here later. Right, right, right. The other thing, my note here is Sutton's trying to fuck her tennis coach. He looks like he wants to off himself and has never been this uncomfortable in his life.

This is every hour of these women. Cushy jobs in the Hamptons, your babysitter. You're 16 to 25 years old. You get there. Everyone is asleep. Children, babies are sleeping. Parents leave. Parents come home. You've done nothing. That is a cushy job. This is hot. And this is requiring you to have people like Sutton Brown-Straff Brown saying, why am I sweating? And you are not. Oh, my God, for one hour. Yeah. Now, when you put it that way, it is a little tougher. But I don't think that you realize men just men that love tennis just, they love tennis. I'll go out there, smack the, smack the pill.

around with this old broad and I got to tell you I bet they do bet a lot of them right that's just part of the that's part of the job right should they bet they bet a lot of them because um because then you're more intertwined right now we had now you're a Christmas bonus big Christmas bonuses actually my rate just went up you can afford it right because you're also paying for me to be quiet I mean it's just a great it's a great gig right I'm not paying for you to come I'm paying for you to stay quiet We should be, we should give Raphael 20 grand this year for Christmas. I think he'd love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that was Sutton. And she's right to do that after what we learned this, this week. But I can't, I, I, I don't know. And when I say this, let me preface this by saying, in terms of icky behavior, turning off any hope of any sexual impulse of any kind, I think men occupy a great margin of that, of that behavior. but Sutton flopping around on the tennis court the way that she is. I mean, I don't think there's anything. Nope.

It's just, it's not what I would describe as sexy. So now let's move on. Derreet is eye padding with Jimmy Hendrix. The edge. Yeah. She asked him if he's going on the Matterhorn. And when he says, yes, she says, I'm so proud. Now, DeRee.

I guess that Xanax kicked in early. Derreet makes mention of the fact that she has upheld responsibility to her children to not bring the hatred she has for her husband into the fore for them. Now, I'm not saying she was looking for a gold star for this, but there is a kind of cadence here where she's like, can you believe I'm doing this? Which the answer is yes, we can believe you're doing this. You're a mother to the edge in Jimi Hendricks who are tiny children. Right? So what are you looking for? Well, here's the other thing. We don't fucking believe you.

Your kids obviously heard you two idiots yelling at each other constantly. Okay. Like the Dereed is the mom that comes into the room when like someone, her baby is crying. And like she's with like the nanny or like her sister that she knows very well. And she's like, I know. Someone wants their mom. I know. Come here.

And it's like, oh, no. Actually, I think she just shit her fucking pants. Go clean her up now, you dumb bitch. You are not the answer. Okay. But sure. But sure. Yeah, yeah.

No, she's, she's one of a kind. They wake up with a little bit of a hang. over. Rachel took B-12 biotin. She took an eye mask. And Kyle walks in and there is a lovely conversation here about Sarah, about fast fashion. And I have to say Rachel Zos, she's been in these circles long enough to have completely perfected the quiet lie, the sociable lie. I mean, this I have to say was flawless. I mean, she's. Just flawless. Agreed.

10 out of 10, no splash. Well, you get a lot of great stuff at Zara. I love Zara. Yeah. I love Zora. Yeah. She said it in such a way, though, that the person that's hearing it can hear the passive judgment.

I don't know. Rooms is there? I think we're big Zzo stands. It's the Zos show. Okay. I think that Rachel Zoh would say, like, I could find something in Zara. Like, if I had to dress someone from Zara, I could do it. and they would look amazing.

Like, I could do that very easily. Right. And then if you, like, turn the cameras off and you're like, right, but you wouldn't like want to. And she would be like, oh my God, no, I'd rather die. That's like, that's why. This might get me in trouble here about the Zo show. Kaling, get ready to flag this. Okay, catty, patty in the house.

Now, I have said, and I believe this is completely true, that dudes when they were like most, like, on fire with the ladies, whatever outfit, their hairstyle, all that. They're trapped in that like fashion. You're saying Rachel Zoh looks like Mick Jagger. What I'm saying is she looks like 2008. She's a fashion queen, as she has pointed out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of 2008. So she rules over a kingdom of Ryan Cabrera, Ashley Simpson,

and the cast of flavor of love. Her look is 2008. Forgive me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's a little bit more a kind of draped timelessness maybe. I don't know. Close though. Ruby, go ahead.

I know clothes less than you, Pat and Kalin combined. Okay. Got it. Yeah. And that's what I'll say is I can tell very openly what Rachel's style is. Also, I had a moment this time when I was thinking this or this week, she would be a very difficult person to give jewelry to. Hmm. I agree.

Why? She's specific. She's specific. It's so specific to her outfit. She had one, she had a very, very cute, like, very delicate diamond mama necklace on this week. And I saw it and I was like, oh, that's actually very cute because it's like very like yucky, basic normal. And then she had like a snake chain and 40,000 necklaces over it. Yeah.

I thought to myself, you know, Roger, you sound like an awful nut job, but I mean, my good luck gifting to this woman. Yeah, yeah. Roger had a lot of disappointed looks. Caddy Patty's still here. And I want my female audience. that follows Caddy Patty to watch out now. She has the same version of the same look every episode. It's just the same version of the same outfit.

Just keep watching. You're saying 2008. I was a big fan of her show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same look. Go back and watch that show. What she's wearing now, she was wearing in 2008. So it's, she has a dipped look to her.

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You know what I mean? Elaborate. No. What does that mean? She looks like she's wet all the time. She's like dripping with stuff. It's like a very like flowy kind of dipped kind of look. Anyways, someone walks in and Kyle says 28.5 referring to the model of Birkin.

This is to read spending habits. No, this is, this is a really, like people who are into watches, you can find five Rolexes and certain people will be like serial number for this. But my question is when is the, obviously like Rolex hasn't gone away. But is Burkin going to stop at any point? it's not quite magging and looks maxing, but I'm a little tired of it. When did Birkin start to become a thing? I believe, I do not know because again, I'm too poor and too dumb to no fashion. What I will say is just objectively, these bags are hideous.

They are too expensive. And my question for you both was, is there any chance that the, that Deleet's bag is fake or no? They're making great knockoffs. My wife pointed this out last week to me. She says sometimes she can't even tell. And she used to have an eye for it. She could tell the fake ones. I don't think a burkin is ugly.

I think they're actually very cute. Okay. Let's shop. Let's shop. To read since the divorce has not been as impulsive with her shopping. Oh, yeah. She says, well, since the separation, her shopping habits have changed.

And she's been working her butt off since the separation. And I hate to ask this question, but it does, uh, it does beg the question. Doing what? Right. Right. Doing what? Now, we're not sure, but she does work hard.

And after set, that work is completely. I first off, no judgment. I would love to sit on my fucking ass all day. Okay. And get paid. Right. But, but who knows what? I mean, she opened a shop, right?

She had a shop there for a sec. Dylan. I believe she had a bathing suit line called Beverly Beach. Oh, Beverly Beach. And she was chased around a pool asking why she didn't pay her business partner, I believe, hundreds of thousands of dollars that she owed them and then have a closed company down. I think. Yep.

That's a great question. But yeah, I think that she's rewarding herself and she's rewarding herself to the tune of $4,500 on clothing. Which I think is apparently half the inventory of that store noted by Zoe. Yeah, I think that was a little bit of an exaggeration, but the card is declined. Ruby, thoughts on that. Okay. So my thoughts on this are, if I were to go to Los Angeles as a person who lives in New York and spend $4,600 at a boutique where everything is overpriced, I can confirm as someone

who does not do that ever. It's not my spending habits. There's nothing to indicate to chase. This is something that she does. My cards would not be declined, right? So also after they were declined in this case, I would not then spend 11-ish minutes pretending to scroll and waiting for a text being like, it's just the fraud. Is it you?

If it was, say yes. Deere, it was declined. Okay? It's because you're too poor. It's not a new card out. No, you get an alert on your phone if it's. Immediately. Yeah.

Like if I go to two McDonald's. back to back I have before I got on Ozempic you know I'll be why because like I eat like a like I would eat a cheeseburger and then I'm driving and I'm like oh I already committed to be in a fatty so that I hit another one and then for some reason Bank of America says oh this might be criminal activity you know what I was thinking that the other night be you right right right who would spend three dollars in two places right can I I want to say this really quickly about fast food. Is there any point in being reasonable with the order? Like while we're here, no, go all in. Push all the chips to the table. Can I tell you something? Why the fuck would you

restrict yourself or be normal at a fast food restaurant? Go ahead, Ruby. There are, I would say, 8.8 times out of 10. Okay. And this is really vulnerable. I go to the jack in the box near my mom's house. And I will when I roll up based on what I'm getting. And it's always just for me alone. I have to pretend like I'm on the phone, the Bluetooth phone in the car, because of how much I'm ordering. Oh, yeah. Don't do that. Just fucking order it. You know what I mean?

Right, right, right. Get your sauces and get out of there. But also that fear that that person that's giving you the gallon of food that you've just ordered, that fear that they may think that it's just for you and they're 100% right. That's not going away. You got to just get over that part. Yeah, I think it's fine. But anyway, I would get alert.

So I'm going to go with Ruby and say that her credit card was in fact declined. Yeah. And the best part is, um, God, it's like really, this is a really, really sad moment depending on the lens. But, um, when she's walking out, oh, God, after having the card declined, which according to you two was due to insufficient funds, she points at something and says, put it on my tap. that is that is a heartbreaking moment if she really i yikes let me tell you it's great television though even better are the three judgy little uh shopkeepers behind the counter looking on because never is there a different differentiate differentiation in power dynamic they look on at the hot rich white lady really uh weakened at being positioned that way the people behind the kind of

we're like, don't charge, just don't charge her for it. It's fine. She can't afford it. Just let her have it. We also, yeah, we need to understand. These are, so this is like summerish in the Hamptons. These are the daughters of people who could, I mean, they could buy Doreet with the bracelet on their arm. We could buy Doree. Well, I couldn't, but some people could. Right. She's so beautiful, but she's too hot for me. I could buy an ugly Doree. Doree is too beautiful. Well, I'm not sorry. I'm just talking about her assets. Right. Yeah. Oh, okay.

Sorry. Right. Yeah. I'm not talking about she's not a hard girl. Yeah. By debt. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Flag that one, Kailan. What I loved was midway through her pretending being like, oh, oh, I'm not getting a text. Oh, no. There's another woman buying things that is like this. Mother fucking dumb ass poor bitch.

And I loved that for Deree. All right. So let's get to Wilfer and back at the house. Kyle hangs up on her daughter to answer Boza's FaceTime. And Bose, you know, I think that maybe this is, I don't want to say this. Okay, I don't want to say this in relation to Bose. I also do I don't want to make a big deal out of it. But it is a saying.

I think that Ruby, I have been drinking the Kool-Aid as it pertains to Bose. Now, many people are starting to break from the ranks. I think Pat may be a general of this rebellion. Boz is like I love Bose but she's kind of she's had a couple of sucky moments of late. Oh, she's in the mud. She's been dancing in the mud and I love it because she's a fucking hypocrite. She fucking sits here and it's like, hey, you know, how's it going with Doreet? I'm glad you guys are like working it out.

And then she's kind of talking like, you know, it ain't right for like Amanda to comment on anybody's, you know, divorce and whatnot. And then out of the same. fucking mouth. She'll start talking shit. That's amazing. It was a complete hypocrisy, a complete betrayal of the thing just uttered. Within two seconds. Yeah. She immediately goes in talking about Doreet and says, Kyle needs to be careful.

Bose, watch out. You're getting too close to the sun. Okay. Come back down. I'm telling you. Okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

I have to, although I agree. Icarus, do not let your wings burn just because I love her so much. Right. For Kyle to sit here and be like, I don't know if it was like manic or like OCD. And you'll forgive me. There are a lot of women on this platform who would let that roll off their back and be like, I don't know what mental health is. I don't know what you're alleging.

Kyle is not one of those people. I did think it was a little bit inappropriate. during this divorce and or custody thing on national TV for her to say those words out loud. I thought. Yeah, not opposed to that. Yeah. Let me say this, though, Ruby. No one knows Derreet better than P.K. and probably Kyle.

Kyle hates Dorit's guts. She will pretend that they're getting along. But deep down in the core of her soul, she hates working with her. She hates her as a person. Go ahead. No. she hates her because deep down Doreet and I'm you honestly on genuinely from the bottom of my heart flag this Kaelan Doreet will be who Kyle is chosen over every time by people like Moe and that is what kills her so therefore

she will never ever be able to not call Bose and say was she manic that's that's genuinely what I believe respectfully disagree. I think Kyle has been from the age of six when she started acting a professional. I think the little things of Doreet showing up an hour and a half late to filming gets under her skin. Can I say something? As much as Kyle dislikes Doreet, if I was in Kyle's shoes, they just put me on the real housewives. They go, what are you doing here? I go, I honestly don't know. I've just been filming for a long time. If I would hate Doreet more than Kyle hates street with all their baggage being around her for just a couple of shoots her being this late is so agreed fucking crazy but is there is there a wrinkle to this that i think pk's got enough

are we really worried about what kyle's saying right now i mean even if there wasn't the show helps the evidence but like even if they didn't have the show i think pk's got enough well also dylan we've heard insider information about dourri that that's That's true. That's true. Okay. Anyways. So Tilly and Sutton. We didn't mention this. I love, this is like, this is a little interlude, a little, a little like, what do they call it? When the movie's too long and you get up? Intermission. A lovely little intermission. This is the kind of Tilly and Sutton. They're talking about something sad, but they're just out there. They're on PCH. Tilly's asking what the waiters.

name is. Get something started? How about some guac and chips? Oh, we'd love some guacin chips. It's so fun. I love Sutton and Tilly like this together. I just really do. They're great.

Can I, so Jennifer Tilly, what I said, she is rich. She has no worries and she's light. That's what she is. I want, she's the best salad dressing you've ever had. Oh, yeah. Just light and fun. Yep. Airy.

What? Light and airy. Oh, airy. Yeah. What's your favorite salad dressing? I don't like salad dressing. I don't like salad. You don't like salad?

Nope. I hate salad. The thing about it though is that we talk about something a little dark and that is I don't know if we knew to this degree that Sutton's husband was this big of a scumbag. But also that her friend was this big of a scumbag. Sutton was betrayed by two people that were closest to her in her life. I don't know how she's, I don't know how she's walking around.

even as lovely as she is, even though she's been kind of shitty lately. She's been doing a great job because this sucks. Ruby, is this a new information to even you? Even to me it is. And if I'm wrong, I think it's new to a lot of people.

Wow. There's a lot of people walking around on the planet earth that you can pick from. I mean, go shopping around. No need to marry the first thing you pick out of the fucking recycle bin. You know what I mean?

My mom's, my mom's best. friend Barbara. Yeah. Babs. She married two, Barbara, she married two guys, both named Stephen. Both named Stephen. Get this. She would ping pong the guys after she divorced him. One year she'd be with this, Stephen. The next year with this, she'd keep going back. And every year, when I go back for Christmas, I go, which Stephen are you pulling out of the recycle bin this year, Barb's? Babs. Yeah, she loved it. Yeah. Okay. Still with one of them. Let's get to, um, another house call from Dr. Jennifer Mann.

Erica Jane says, I have $25 million, baby. She doesn't have the money. And Dr. Jennifer Mann does, if I could be frank, a fairly shitty job at trying to alleviate the stress that comes with an incredible amount of life-crushing debt. Hey, you don't have anything. What are they going to do?

You have this. Yeah, baby. She doesn't do that. She says, listen, the laundry's folded, right? I mean, how good are we doing? And Erica goes, well, that's the thing. Not good, baby. I'm treading water.

I'm treading water. I'm looking forward to cake, baby. That's what my life is. I mean, it's bad. Can I tell you where Erica is struggling here? And I know I've gone over this stuff a lot, but this is a new thought. what's holding her back and she doesn't even know it is she's never actually confronted just being honest and truthful all her trying to just keep the walls up and hiding this

if she just fucking wrote an open letter saying i didn't know and maybe we were doing some fucked up stuff with money going into this account because i was trying to be a pop star some of it i didn't know some of it i didn't even care at the time i was you know i was openly just playing stupid. I'll do what I can to try and give you guys some money. But right now, this is my income. This is what I'll do. If she just did that, I cannot tell you. Can you even do that? You can. Because when you're involved, but, but I think you're wrong. Because like, when you're involved in a fucking multi-party lawsuit, you can't just be like, guys, guys, listen, I'm going to do what I can. I love all you. And I'm really sorry. Dylan, lawyers come in and they do a forensic audit on

what you actually have. And there's only so much they can get from you. So they look and it's just reality. So if they want to take this personally with her, they can, I mean, she doesn't even need to show up to court. She doesn't.

So they can just send her letters saying, we're gonna fucking come in and just start taking money out of your bank account. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll do what we can, baby. We then get to this like just soul-crushing moment. just talking about calling the police and making it even bigger than it already is being this psychic wall that you have to go. It's just so unbelievably heartbreaking.

You know, it's amazing when you think about men that hit women and men and women that betray their wife and it's so crazy how many awful people are walking out around there, around, up with all of us. It's so nuts that people are so mean. I'm going to get dinged for this, but I have to ask this. So Erica is bringing this up. I would argue that it would be helpful for her to bring this up and name the person or at least report this person because they are an active danger to others. Yeah. I mean, people are going to say, you know, this is a, but we don't get it. Just fucking.

I mean, who deserves to be named more than this fucking guy? I mean, come on. Anyways. Ruby. Being someone to go through that as a woman is, I don't think that any of us could understand what that, I don't, what we're asking of that woman and to ask anything of that woman when in fact, nothing should be asked of her. This is like teaching women don't wear this and this is the safest route home. Quick reverb. How about we teach our sons not to fucking rape and beat?

How about that? We're going to try our best. I mean, I will go away. We're going to do everything we can. And same with Ellie. I mean, you got to tell Ellie you can't murder anybody. She's beat. She's already beating the shit out of the guys.

She is. Good for her. You know, you should do, Pat. You should tell her. I always thought about if I had kids, I would tell them. And again, I've gotten older. So I'm not sure I'm going to do this yet. I am God.

You can't tell anyone. Right. But I am God. Whatever God, everyone that's talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me? Oh, it's the biggest family secret ever. Right. Should we talk about Mary Cosby now or we've talked about that? No, I don't want to talk about that. I'm already bummed down about it.

Okay, all right. Let's get to Ron and Leslie. They're heading over to Rachel Zoh's house. This is the most connected family of all time. And Kyle is in awe that her parents are still around. She wishes that hers could still be around. Kyle, it's good that they're not. It's good right now. You don't want to, your mom and your dad didn't need to see you go through that lesbian face. I mean, I think they wrapped it up when everything was still pretty good, right? Oh, yeah, it's better they died. Yeah.

It's for the best. Yeah. Mel Brooks, when he was spoken at his 99th birthday this year, Carl Reiner was his best friend. Yeah. And one he spoke about Rob and that whole Kashai. He's like, one thing I'll say about this, thank God Carl died.

So we didn't have to see that. It's like really unbelievable how funny he is. It's unbelievable. Mel? Yeah. Yeah. He was joking about it, right? Oh, I don't think so.

No, no. I think he was like, thank God he's dead. So he didn't have to know that. I would argue if you believe in God, then, you know, Rob showed up there and he's like, hey, I was like, why are you here? That's such a gross joke to try to make, but I bet Mel could, I saw him pulling it off. Possibly. Wow.

Okay. Anyways, let's get back to Sal. It's really quickly. Oh, yeah. All right. So, Doreet is making Rachel Zoh's parents. This is how Kyle phrases it. She's making the parents wait.

The parents don't give a shit about Doreet. It's okay that Doreet's 20 minutes late to this. But within the pattern of the behavior, it's just once again, repulsive. I think she was talking to the bank. She was telling them that someone stole all this stuff from her. And that's why she was late. But yeah, Doreet's lateness,

I don't think there's a more annoying quality on planet Earth. When Ruby, you weren't with us in this era, but Dylan and I and our former colleague used to do a podcast at multiple different podcasting facilities, which would involve us all having to show up with three different vehicles. And often one of us, myself included, would show up late,

sometimes 10, 15. It would drive the other participants, Matt. Yeah. I can't imagine an hour late. Oh, my God. And this is also, again, it's an hour. If I were, and Dylan knows this about me, if I were at the airport and I called someone and they said, I haven't left yet, I'd hang up the phone. If then they got there and had no real ID and passport, I would spend the next however many days we were on the trip.

I would not speak to that. They would be like, you're on fire. Someone poured acid and I would say nothing. Can I tell you why? It's because she has no respect or thoughtfulness about anybody else but herself. All right. Let's get to the meeting with Keely and company, the company being Bowes and her daughter. Bottle of wine for the table.

That's a big, just two of you drink. And that's kind of intense for it. Anyways, Bose starts talking about the fertility. Journey, Anne says that, let me back up, she says in front of her daughter, that the man sitting across from her daughter, who Bose has known for, what, two years? Something like that. She wants to make sure that she puts her body through continued peril in order to secure his commitment to her.

then Keely says I'm not going to have a job in a while you'll still love me right this 17 year old granted she's on her way to adulthood maybe that's even

worse of an age to have this in front of I just was like what are you two doing there's a child right next to you crazy I agree with everything you just said sorry there's crime where I am.

Did I say something that was like, okay. I mean, I, she probably was thinking, thank God you just bought me that very expensive car because my mind's fixated on that and not the fact that you're fucking crazy mom and this guy sitting across to me is a fucking loser. I think that the thing that worries me is that.

And a squirrel. A squirrel attacked his head. Mom, he's bleating. again. I don't. That was layout the entire time. What I will say, she's going to go to college soon. If she is out of that house and it is just the two of them, I genuinely worry. And it's because I think Bose is so cool and smart and successful, do not fall for this, please. No, no. It's going to be quite an albatross. Let's get to dinner. But beforehand, Kyle, almost had sex with somebody at an airport.

I did not. There was a lot of confusion at the tail end of this episode. I don't know what happened with Rachel Zos X. He cheated on her. I don't know what happened there. You guys, please, Ruby's going to have to help me there. Ruby,

he cheated on her. And I don't know, did Kyle actually take this guy up with the phone number? No, no, she's a lesbian, Patrick. No, but this was before.

Oh, was it? I don't know. She realized it was, it was Mauricio, but then she was like, wait, He doesn't know it's me.

So she did not take him up on the mat. Right, right, right. We get to the Rachel Zoh thing and, you know, me and Pat already went to war with Ruby over this. Being married to Rachel Zoh, you have to be an extremely secure man. And it sounds like he was doing okay for a little bit. And then he started to want some more attention. Now, if that's the... dynamic. Let's just, let's do this. Let's talk about it. Let's not get six years down the line

with just a Mount Everest summit of resentment and use extramarital affairs as a means to get the other person's attention, right? We don't have to do that. That's like so crazy. But we, you know, I don't know. It's just what's going on with these people. Ruby, was Was there any actual details? Did I miss anything here? Was there just a lot of insinuation? I think it was. There was a lot of insinuation. Also, I'm pretty sure she's insinuated elsewhere. What happened? And he basically called her and said, listen, I'm cheating on you. And do you give a shit? And she, it sounds like, saw Red hung up the phone and said, I'm going to have a quick mental breakdown. Call my sister and then divorce you. Yeah. Well, then she goes on.

on to recount how she had cheated on him when they were dating for four years. And the best part of the evening was when Kyle had a thought on this, which was her saying that, well, that's not a good start, you know, when you're married and you're cheating like that, which is rich coming from her, seeing as, well, we know her history. Yep. Right. Cheers to a great weekend. Yeah, cheers to a great weekend. It has been a fantastic weekend in the Poconos or wherever they are. We are so, the dunes of Ataganska, actually. Yep. Get in the comments, let us know we thought about the episode. We love yourself for so much for listening. And we'll be back next week. Remember patreon.com, love is blind, traders, all of that fun stuff. We'll see you. We'll see you soon. I'm Dylan saying

goodbye. Pat say goodbye. Ruby say goodbye. Bye, bye.