Another Below Deck Podcast - It's Over | RHOC S19 Reunion Pt. 3

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Dylan, Pat and Ruby are back to break down accidentally liking things, unseen footage, space cakes, Larry getting everyone sick, the DNC and more from Bravo's RHOC.PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/anotherpodcastnetwork  YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@badtvpod  INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/badtvpodcast/?hl=en

maybe but she does kind of spin a line of bullshit where she goes you know we've all been there we just like stuff we have no idea we're just scrolling at night yeah no no that doesn't happen no no nobody's ever um nobody's ever scrolled past a post comparing um as sexuality to fucking children and got oh my god i accidentally liked that Hi, alone, welcome to another brand spanking new episode of Bad TV. I'm Dylan. That's Pat. Great to be here. Jarvis Yards here. Calling in from Jarvis Yards is Ruby. Hi, Dylan. Hi, Pat. How are you? Good. Dylan, not everyone's watching the same show that you are. They don't get that reference.

Everyone is watching The Beast in Me. Okay. Galen, you watching it? I never heard of it. Pat turned down a sack of nerds clusters. I got them today. I didn't. You aggressively ripped them away from my hands as I was studying the package. Oh, you want them? I didn't say I wanted them.

I was looking at them. I don't eat candy. Try a nerd. Do you want the Dubai chocolate bar or the... I'm okay right now. I want to do some housekeeping. Okay. We have a lot of people that follow us on Patreon.

and I'm really thankful for that. Apparently, I've been getting a little misogynistic lately. And the fact that we have largely a female audience and I want to say there's a line between a segment called Caddy Patty the Gay Corner where I transform into a gay man where I get to say horrifically misogynist things

about women because I'm a gay man. And then there's old Patty, just be myself, and saying really obnoxious things like women that have short-haired. aren't attractive. I don't mean that at all. And I apologize. And I take it back. I really didn't mean it. So any listeners that were offended by that, you were very vocal. And I'm sorry. I finally watched after the hunt. Thank God. It's done.

Thoughts. It had baby girl energy where like a, it's trying to do something very, very serious, but it's not great. And it's like just a lot of fun. And it reminded me, I want to to see Julia Roberts in at least two movies a year. I love her so much. She's so phenomenal. You know who's not? Tammy. Tammy? Tammy. Who's Tammy? Tamrat. Oh, Tamrat. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, she's horrible. She's really horrible. I have to give it. I'm going to get into my. Can we play a game of who's worst real quick? Sure. Ribs, do you want to play? I want you so bad. Kalian, you play along. Tammy or Nile Jarvis All right, that's that character from that show

That maybe 1% of our audience is watching All right, let me try again Tammy I just had Nile I should have come up with more It was an on the fly thing But I think Nile Jarvis is worse Only because like fucking kills so many people

But anyways I have one Tammy or sleep paralysis? Which one do you think is worse just to exist? Oh, wow. That got cerebral. Her or a condition? Hmm.

I'd say Tammy. Me too. What about Tammy or MoMar Codafi? Well, he killed a lot of people. She did swear on her children when she was clearly caught in a lie. I know. I don't think MoMar would have done that. Yeah. I would argue, though, she'd have to track.

down one of those children because she hasn't spoken to her in a decade. What a vile, disgusting piece of shit. Anyways, let's get into the episode. Housekeeping is done. If you want to hear a recap of Salt Lake City, go to pagerund.com slash another podcast network. A couple other things. So Traders is dropping the beginning of the year. Also, the new season of The Bachelorette is dropping.

Whether Dylan likes it or not, we will be covering both of these. No, I'm fine. I trust in my sister's judgment. She says that this lady's bad shit. So listen. if someone's Ruby is essentially painting this person

to be as crazy or crazier than Nile Jarvis and if Nile Jarvis is in league with this person then I'm going to watch okay so again I don't watch the show and

and I think that Taylor Frankie Paul is going to be probably the only type of person that could revive what this is. needs to be is her.

What's her name? Taylor, Taylor, Frankie Paul. TFP. Oh, you know what? If this does work out, you know who they need to have on next. Who's that Broad that fucking killed her boyfriend, ran them over and got away with it? Karen Reid. That's right.

I thought she didn't do that. Can I tell you something? I thought you were going to say, Mark it off. And I was going to say, that would be The Bachelor. and also I think he was he was stabbed in the butt by his own citizens dragged to the screen. And just for our audience

that are going to go in the Facebook group and attack me for the crime of saying that Karen Reed killed her boyfriend. Don't worry about the... No, they will. They're going to, and they'll write these long,

like, tomes about all the evidence that proved that she definitely didn't do it. It was, in fact, a conspiracy of 15 people that killed this guy. Are you saying that they would be wrong to do that or that they would be right? Oh, here we go. Ruby's going to let me have it and pay for what I just did.

All right. Let's get into the show. Okay. I want to give my tits right now. I thought it was good. But there is a dark, dark cloud over. I'm going to equate Bravo to the DNC really quickly. and I don't want to get into politics here, okay?

But Bravo is an institution that selects talent. The people's voices are loud and clear, but what do we get? Hillary Clinton. Sorry. Okay. We don't want Tamara on our fucking TV. but unfortunately Donna Brazile

gave Vicky the Orange okay and that means Tamara's coming back so even though Like a thief in the night Megan even though Tamara had a rough showing

her armadillo like skin and I mean that as like a metaphor and actually her skin is repulsive is so thick and leathery that a lot of this stuff bounced off of it, which was frustrating, but the worst part is knowing she'll be back. I give it zero pots for that. Wow. Ruby, you want to go next?

You go, Pat. Okay, I have a question for Ruby. Casting prediction, Andy said there's going to be a big shakeup. During BravoCon, Andy actually offered Vicky the job. From what I understand, there was no contract negotiation. Vicky actually left the show. She was one of the highest paid cast members in cast history. I think she was pulling down about a half a million at the time.

And when they asked her to take a haircut, that's pay cut, she refused. And that's when they made her a friend and that pissed her off. And then everything went south from there. I don't think they've negotiated her pay. So it's not a guarantee that she does, in fact, come back. Who is getting kicked off this show? I have a list of who I don't want to come back, but who do you think gets kicked off? Gina and Emily have to go, or at least one of them does, because this can't continue.

I think HD should go. She should just go be rich somewhere else. And then I think, yeah, bring in three. I don't know. Shannon makes me sad, but I think we have another like two years before she wisens, wises up and says, this is bad for me. And I shouldn't do this anymore. Who do you think is going to go? I think it will be one of Emily or Meatball and definitely Shannon Bador.

I think Shannon Bador needs to leave the show and go make even worse life choices, another guy, and then have her come back thinking that she's put her life back together, but it's just another guy using her for her money. Vicki is a person. Shannon needs the paycheck. I'm of the understanding Vicky, like, owns her house. in Koto. She probably makes enough money or like has insurance and Kota Dakota like the area she lives in. Cota de Kasa. It's a gay community. You're fine. Okay. But I she is those she,

Vicki is a person who runs a marathon because she likes people to cheer for her. And it's like, wow. I thought that's why everybody ran marathons. Well, no, Dylan, some people run marathons because they want to prove to themselves that they can do something hard and they, they like to do that. They enjoy the physical feat of doing fucking 26.2 miles. I think that's very admirable. People who become famous because they like to hear crowds chant their name. Well, you should probably, you know, we just need to look more inward.

But Vicki can't look inward because it's just black. She looks inward and she's like, oh, no, wait, the lights are off. And then she turns them on, but nothing changes. Oh, wow. Oh, damn. And then God says, no, Vicky, you were born. weren't in the shadows and you're still there. But he sounds like more God, you know? Right.

That's her. Okay. HD ain't going nowhere. Jen ain't going nowhere. Vicky and Tamrat aren't going anywhere. Katie's gone. Meatball and Emily might be gone. Shannon stays.

Tamara stays. Heather Debrose stays. Jen stays. Okay. Now, next thing. During this reunion, which I thought had it all. It all got wrapped up.

It was not a great season. The reunion, every single episode was way better than it needed to be. I'm glad that as they were wrapping it up at the tail end. Last five minutes, Jen comes in right at Katie, because I thought they were just going to let that go, that Katie had reached out to one of her friends.

We end with, Hey, Psycho. Yeah. And of course, Katie just brushes it off. Like, hey, I get to talk to people. Well, she just lies. She's just a liar. So she needs to come back, too, actually. All right. So last detail before I give my wives. Did Heather DeBro actually, I just want to make sure I get this right, tell Tamrat on two occasions to basically she didn't want to hear the story about Gretchen and these posts. Yeah. Okay. And then at some point, production actually doesn't, it edits out, her basically pushing this off.

Okay. That's messing with the story a little bit. That's some Katie behavior. Because only Heather DeBroa in my mind could have the power to say, I don't want that in the show. That's not what I'm going to. And then you have essentially Heather Rehap. at the table in Amsterdam, like it's the first time she's hearing it.

It was very problematic for, or give your wives. All right, 14. Okay. It was very problematic. I didn't, I still, and we'll talk about it. I struggle to understand what HD gained from not being like, that's really fucked up. She, we should talk about this, like three weeks ago instead of, whatever. Well, and also, and I know.

that you're in the middle of your tits, but I think it's all, it's really damning for HD having known that it was coming and having the reaction that she did. That's my point. Oh, that's your point. Yeah. At the table, she like breaks down and she's like, you know, she's like, oh my God, this, this revelatory meteor just hit my heart. You're supposed to be my friend and you're this and, you know, and they're passing around the phone. You knew this for a number of weeks and you basically told Tamara, I don't want to see this. Yeah, again, you're all MAGA. I mean, maybe you're not MAGA.

Maybe some of you aren't MAGA, but you're all MAGA. Yeah. Yeah. I think, okay, maybe two things just crossed my mind. Perhaps one, H.D. wanted to wait until Gretchen was there so she could own her in person or two. That there, she knew Tamara was like weirdly behind it or something. I don't know. It's weird.

Go ahead and give it. Go ahead and give you your kids. Sorry, one last thing. One last thing. What? As far as Tamrat reaching out to bloggers and podcasters and whatnot, I pointed this out, I think it's in our first episode, we knew of the Gretchen story, one person removed from Tamrat. Yeah.

Two weeks before the season debuted. Tamrat absolutely was giving this information out to start this. Well, there were, anybody could have given that information out. There's one little specificity that nails her to the cross, which we'll get into. But yes, Tamara, I mean, Gaddafi wouldn't do that. Go ahead, tits. I just want to clarify that you're not, sorry for the crime, you're not calling me tits, you're asking me for mine. I mean, it sounds like they're harmonizing out there.

Yeah, well, they are. they're like they're like bad well start in January 1st I think it's all going to get fixed okay me too Pat I'm really sorry I can't all right no tits no tits by the way Momar Gaddafi I think he got shot in his asshole no knifed in his asshole oh even worse oh it depends on the caliber I'm gonna grab a white claw

okay no no N8 tits for you that's how we end the season Caitlin, can you mute her, please? Thank you. We begin with, you can unmute her. We begin with Shannon's zany space cake stuff. Really cool, really thrilled to be spending time on it. Really thrilled to bear witness to unreleased and unseen footage of Shannon kind of hamming up the effects of marijuana. Hashtag make it two parts.

So we then get to another trip, Nola, and we talk about the voodoo dolls. Heather and Gretchen hate the voodoo dolls because there's so much Christ in them and Heather or no, excuse me, Tamara and Gretchen hate the voodoo because they're so Christ like now Heather was haunted by the doll

she was not there is no world in which she was haunted by this voodoo doll this is a Heather de Bro thing and when you bring up the whole Heather knew and then acted like this was the first that she'd heard

It would not surprise me if when we weren't filming Heather was just put in a closet like an ironing board and just turned off. She does not eat. She is just off. I don't know if she has a personality. I don't know who she is. She's not the fakesest, I believe that she's a gaudy, conceded, you know, asshole.

But I'm just, I find myself going like, who are you? You like champagne and losing money on real estate. That's about it. That's her storyline. Oh, can we get into one thing? Because I always love when Andy reads the cards of the listener questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some snarky listener.

Eddie from Arizona. Yeah, some snarky listener named Katie Phillips. mentions that Katie didn't just skip her kids' upbringings. She also skipped geography class. She calls her a big dummy for not knowing England was an island. And England's not an island. Sorry to me, but it's the UK. But the craziest thing is not knowing.

Is England an island? No, it's not. The whole thing, you have to take a channel to get there. Yes, it's technically a fucking island. So is America if you want to get crazy with it. I thought England was all smushed into the UK. Look at a map, Joe. All right, I'm going to look at a map real quick.

It's an island. Well, what's crazier is not knowing the oceans that we are flanked by. I hope Katie Phillips doesn't listen to this podcast. She'll write a means here. Would you let go? Oh, oh, Katie Phillip. Yeah. Okay.

Factoids and trivia are not a great way to measure somebody's intelligence. They're not an awful way, though. Can you imagine being so goddamn airhead. that you don't know that the Pacific and the Atlantic. She got that one. She got that one. Not Meatball didn't. Oh,

Meatball said I had no idea. I'm looking at a map real quick, okay? I'll get back to you guys. All right. So we look back at this point on the beautiful memorial that Heather Bro gave to her mean, spirit, emotionally unavailable fucking father. It was very touching.

Mm-hmm. Hey, Roobes, what was that one? Was it Sutton that let her dad? dad's ashes go off that bridge and yeah that wasn't her father patrick that was her dance teacher wow i think everybody that was murve like within 20 yards of that fucking england smashes right into to scotland when my grammy was mean to me uh i used to tell her you know because she wanted to be cremated i said you know i'm going to do what you

grammy i'm going to uh put some of your ashes on a pizza and i'm going to feed it to everybody so crazy there's this place called the isle of man And I'm sure it's beautiful, but, like, if I went to the Isle of Man, I would have these, like, Game of Thrones-like expectations. And it's probably just a bunch of, like, back crooked drunks walking around. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Just lots of peat and stuff. Anyways, let's get back to the show.

Sorry. Katie, about a geography. Oh, really quickly. Jen with her voododoo. She's sucking tea. feeding the voodoo doll tea like she's a mother bird and uh asking for financial opportunities to jen i would say you can't ask for financial opportunity you have to ask for cash you will not make good with a financial opportunity you have to just have the cash

Jen has made this into a So this isn't what voodoo dolls do This isn't a genie Jen, okay? No, you're supposed to curse people with them. Now at this point I'm asking Andy Can we speed this the fuck up? Right.

Everything you've covered to this point, no one gives a fuck about. Yeah, 10 minutes into the show we finally get to Grutch and liking the anti-trans stuff. Now, she says there's no excuse for liking anything with an offensive sentiment. Well, that's a little bit of an underplay. I think you've liked posts that compared homosexuality to pedophilia.

I want to say this about Gretchen. As I was watching this play out, she'd had a number of months to really prepare for what she knows is coming. She plays the game that she's got a foggy memory, which is always the worst way to play it. I don't know. It's like that pardon for that binary. guy. I had no idea who he is. Really? Yeah. Wow. Well, um, but, uh, there were our receipts out

there. I think she should have started with the cyber report. Right. Start with that because the medium is the message. Or perhaps she was laying the trap. Maybe, but she does kind of spin a, a line of bullshit where she goes, you know, we've all been there. We just like that. We just like. stuff. We have no idea. We're just scrolling at night. Yeah. No, no, that doesn't happen. Nope. No, nobody's ever, um, nobody's ever scrolled past a post comparing homosexuality to fucking children and got, oh my God, I accidentally liked that. I have a splinter. Oh, my gosh. I got it out. Uh, okay. So, um, they ask, oh, my gosh. This is It's so crazy. Why would you follow? Why would you follow someone who only posts vile, homophobic things?

And she says, I followed them during 2020. Loved it. And then unfollowed them. And it's like, yeah, no, no, no, we, we understand that you unfollowed them. But just getting back to the question, why did you follow them? Right. So Gretchen is, well, I think the point she was. Gretchen is like a fan of drag and stuff like that. Yeah, I'm, by saying what I'm about to say, I'm not defending Gretchen. The point I think she was making was you'd follow someone who agrees with you. Maybe it was vaccines or something like that. That's their message. So you follow them because you lead that. And then they start pivoting into some subject matter that maybe you're not exactly on the same page.

Yeah, because everyone was an Alex Jones fan in the beginning. Eat the bugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so anyways. This is where Heather Debrough jumps in or Andy kind of jumps in to help her out. A couple of different points. And this is why like, I know that they're not all MAGA. A lot of them are.

But if you, and I guess this isn't a necessary point because all of us hold, you know, prejudicial thoughts next to holy thoughts. next to holy thoughts, you know, we're all human and we're all imperfect. But take Tamara, for example, not a traditional OC, you know, very liberal in a lot of areas. If you asked Tamara questions about society and life, let's just say 10. I would say 70% of them if she had a little truth serum in her would not be I'm not saying that that that Maga is bad and this is good. I'm just saying that if we're going to grandstand on this progressive kind of way of thinking, I don't think any of the women on this day as maybe meatball share that kind of thinking. So it's just kind of a frustrating thing to bear witness.

Yeah, I'm not even convinced Heather Debrough. My wife calls she, fuck no. My wife believes Heather to. is using the transgender movement as kind of a cover because you can't she's so wealthy that naturally people just would go after her and her husband and she uses it as kind of a a protection shield you think terry de bro gives a fuck about his children over his tax rate i want are you kidding me i don't know if it's illegal to do this but let's have them go into the vote the the ballot box right what is it called

Next, I just want to see you. I want to see which hole you punch. Yeah. It's just you. Jill Biden definitely voted for Donald Trump. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah.

So, all right, this is when Tamrat brings out a stack of papers thicker than Warren Peace, claiming that these are the screenshots of Gretcher's before and after photos of likes and then unlikes. And so Tamra benefits from something that she. is very, very frustrated to experience later on in the episode. So she'll present this thing, right? This stack of things that she's printed out. At a cut, I think millennials have lost our relationship with the printer.

And I think it's sad. Quite frankly, I think it's sad. But not Patty, not Patty. you know what Jake from the reality gays handwritten notes oh my god and a binder wow way to go Jake um so tamer prints this stuff out and the women see that she's printed this stuff out she she tells everybody what's on the pages and then everybody kind of turns on gretchen and i'm like we should be asking gretchen about this stuff but can we pump the brakes really quickly there is a woman here that two days before this went through all of this woman's posts

and printed out exhibits A through Z5. Let's not talk about literally anything but how fucking crazy this bitch is. This is very clear. Sorry to use that language. This is very clear to me that Eddie spends more time in Big Bear than at home because this was where a husband would walk by see your wife sitting at a table for 37 hours right right right and say you're doing what yeah and she would go oh so I'm the bad guy yeah yeah and then he would say I'm just here to get Bronx and then he'd leave it and it's also worth remembering she's had these screenshots since

2022 this is something that has been stored waiting for it to be I love I love this I'm not I wasn't sitting on this, all this stuff. Anyways, we get to the geek squad. Now, Gretchen went to Best Buy, and she was like, I need you guys to do cyber analysis on my enemy. And they were like, we don't do that. But she did find a company to investigate, I don't even know. I don't know. But it turns out that a lot of, and there's so, this is a problem I have with O.C right now.

it's it's it's it's too nonlinear it's it's like an experimental it's like experimental truths salt lake there are lies but you can follow what's happening in the show OC gets so murky with katie and tamara and jen that you just have no idea what is up or what is down go ahead rubs with i was going to say right now in salt lake city Meredith and Lisa Barlow are vehemently denying that they did not bully Brittany hit her kick her punch her through a wine on her on a plane while every other person that was there is saying, no, that's just not true. You're lying. And they're saying, I don't believe. I can't hear you. Here, Gretchen has gone to a teenager who is in school at Costa Mesa High. And she's asked him to, I think he went on chat GPT and said, like, give me a list of IP addresses. And then. And he put them onto a word document and changed some of the colors. And then he put like heartbeat monitors next to it and said like this is what indicates like it was from Tamara's address. I don't know what she did.

But this information isn't accurate, although I do believe this is the case. Tamara loses she lost her mind on this dais. And I loved it. I have to say. Yeah, she remained calm. It was quite wonderful. I would say this, this is where, if I were producing the show, and I know this is kind of coming from Gretchen,

obviously you're going to say you're going to bring this on stage with you. I would have said, I need a member from that cyber team to come on here and discuss it. Right, exactly. But also, the main, I guess, the big Watergate moment here is evidently, and this is where, sorry, even recapping the confusing, you know, experimental truthfulness of all this gets me flustered. But the reason why I brought it up is because Tamara, I forgot why I brought that up. Oh, Tamara said that she got this stuff off of an I-heart radio wire.

And then starts talking about how she's been looking at this stuff for years on social media. And we're just, there are so many lies that we can't. even suss out. It's all over the place. It's such bullshit. It would take weeks and none of us have the time or desire. No, no, not one man or woman has the desire. But this kid from Costa Mesa did find out that a lot of this stuff comes from a Twitter account that has evidently been generating fake images of liked posts. And Tamara, Tamara goes, I have nothing to do with this. I see this stuff all, all the, it goes all over the internet. It's because it's associated with one hub that you, I would not put it past you,

you have everything to do with. It's like, Tamrat, it's like a, you know how you have a cough, you have a virus, and then you sneeze on someone, and then before you know what, the whole town has it. Yeah. And you go, everybody's got this. I didn't do that. Larry did it. Yeah.

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So why did you bring it up? And she goes, I didn't bring it up. Meatball. It was meatball. As though you've not been being filmed, you bitch. I hate this woman so much. The things Tamara makes me feel. what I feel when I stub my toe at the object I stubbed it on, but all the time.

Right. I, it's, oh, I can't put it into words. It's so intense. We're stubbing our lives on Tamara. Every time we watch this show, she lies about when she brought it up. Then says it's because whenever I bring stuff up, people attack me. So this is what's like, she's definitely not good at, I don't know.

What do the Ruski's call it? Ideological subversion or something like that. She has these argumentative tactics that are like sloppy. But she floods the zone with so much bullshit and lies that it's tough to counter. You get distracted because there's just a Tommy gun of deceit and fuckery coming at. But all of it's stupid and all of it doesn't make any sense. So she then screams and says, why aren't we talking about how she's a homophobic bitch?

That's where I was like, why are we talking about how you're a nut job that printed out 50 pages of likes that you made up while your husband asked you, are you okay? There were some points where, like, Tamrat was screaming and she had her finger pointed at whoever she was yelling at. And I had this reaction of just disgust looking at her. It wasn't just like, I really think she's an awful person. I'd love to. I'd love to know the real dynamic she has with Eddie if like he is her like foundation of just what keeps her sane because this has to infiltrate within her personal relationships right yeah what do you think Ruby I 100% I think that she has we see the cracks and that I have written when

her and Emily start calling each other assholes and I think that maybe what you're talking about how she's pointing at her and the demon comes out yeah she is reprehensible It's like, I don't even, I can't, Momar would never. Momar would never. Momo doesn't come close, okay? And he got knifed in the butt by his own citizens. She is full of such, to swear on your children on kind of something that the Costa Mesa Genius Bar Cyber Kid already proved is gross.

She is full of so much anger. I don't think Eddie, I think he's going to be in Big Bear and then just like serve her papers one day. I hope he does. Well, we get to Tamara's efforts to get other women to it. attack other women for her first can i just really quickly say something uh something else that makes me want to fucking scream and rip her extensions out you don't have a network okay so i heart not your network oh right you know what i mean that's that made me want to rip my television when she was talking to emily about that again another kind of diversion let's talk about how

your podcast failed and sucks yeah i i thought what she was saying is she had a slate of shows underneath her like when we worked for corolla digital he had shows underneath no no okay if her network is i heart she's part of a i heart yeah walmart conglomerate that hey tamara they don't give a fuck about you either you don't get anywhere near the downloads required for i heart to give a shit about you okay you have two meetings a year with them and they put out mountain valley and you feel important. Norm Pattis' creation. Exactly. So we get to Tamara's efforts to get the other women to attack for her, Heather, Gina.

And Tamara once again says, why aren't we talking about this homophobic bitch? Because while being homophobic is disgusting and we should talk about it, you're actually evil. So we have to talk about that too. We do have to address that. Now, Emily and Tamara go at it. We discussed that, but we roll tape on Amsterdam and the women all claim to still be confused about whether or not Gretchen actually did this. So this is the vans the next day, buyer's remorse. So I've seen this happen in my personal life, which is the pile on. And then the next day you're like, that was a little ugly. Did we go too far? Type of thing. Right. Right. Did we kill that kid? Yeah. Yeah. And so I think,

think that's what especially think of your heather de bro and you knew this for three weeks and now you're like you know by the way uh if she knew this for three weeks and then she because we didn't know she knew this for three weeks right she is a good actress that was quite the performance yeah i would say um and that's not to take away of you know that that's saying uh that uh comparing uh homosexuality to pedophilia is pretty disgusting but um yeah well we We talk about whether or not Tamara planned to take down Gretchen. And this is where Tamara is just super calm throughout the entire thing. As though Tamara could ever present a case where she was not planning to do this,

you have, you printed it all out. You've been talking about this throughout the entire season. You evidently, I mean, at least from cake pop party on, you told Gina specifically, let's say that she just brought it up with Meatball, and we didn't see the unaired footage from Cake Pop Day. She told Gina immediately after she had squashed everything with Gretchen and then told her to wait until tomorrow. And I believe she told Gina that she had had this information for a long time.

that's like trying to find okay let's like that's like if if you okay if i went up to somebody's house and they had a ring camera and i shit in a brown bag and then i put it on their porch and then i lit it on fire because i was a big fan of happy gilmore or uh billy madison and they came out oh i'm a penguin they came out and they were like why did you do that and i said I didn't do that. Is that a good analogy? It's close. I thought you were going to say that.

Is that good? Then, but you timed it out where you were already going to be on a plane in two minutes. Right. So, but if we have it on film, it's very, very apparent that you're planning it. What are you doing, screaming at people so calmly? So I think Heather Brod didn't say this well at the tail end of the reunion, but I think this is what she was getting at, which is they've kind of lost the point of the show. Tamrat spends all her time gathering Intel to then use it to destroy the other women on the show.

That has essentially been everything that she does. It's not about raising women or helping or building. Her storyline is simply, what information do I have on you and how can I use it against you to make you look bad? She's disgusting. But we end this scream fest with Gretchen asking, do you ever not talk to bloggers? and then we roll the tape. This was very satisfying. This was, I'm not going to say it was the jinks where he hands him the envelope

where I believe it's Benedict Canyon is spelled. The handwriting or something. And then he goes. Yeah, go ahead, Ruby. First of all, I agree, Pat, with that. I was going to say another equally satisfying moment, and this might be too deep of a cut. Dylan will know this. There was a moment on the challenge when a very, very annoying

challenger beat another kind of annoying but nice challenger and the mean one won. And then there was a little moment of wait a second. The mean one didn't finish everything. So the nice annoying one ran up and finished everything. You're speaking of Laurel and Tito or whatever. Well, her name was Ninja, I believe. No, Ninja. Yeah. And the big, big bully comes down and she says to her she's saying things to her like that's how it works we follow the rules like it's just similar to tamer saying checkmate bitch i was like what did you just check yeah nothing nothing you're awful well she screams it's not me and it's bullshit this is an ambush yeah it is it is that's exactly by the way i want to give credit to meatball jen and who else was that that

was it hether de brough shana bador shannon shana bador they all kept their mouths shut. That's how you know they hate you. For a year. Yep. They could have told, do you know how hard it is to keep your mouth shut with a secret like this? Think about the vanity of Tamara, though.

She knows that production and her fellow cast members all stayed quiet for a year and then ambushed her. And she's going to go, well, it's season 20. I'd love to see you guys again. I'm not kidding you. What do you think was going through her head? Like, I've never been caught in this big of like a lie before. I assume I would just start sweating immediately. Like you're watching someone on camera basically tell everyone that employs you and that you work with that you have been spilling company secrets for a year.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, it's a little bit like, I mean, I hate to say it, but I don't want to spoil it, but it's when Nile Jarvis finds out about the late. Hey, don't tell me. I haven't seen it. Sorry. And again.

Now, what's even more hilarious is BravoCon just took place five days ago. Yeah. And you see Tamrat on that stage with Andy. And also, we'll talk to Bravo. Enough of these CNBC people. Who are these people? They're finding like the last. Huffington Post

digital moderators to moderate these panels and they're boring as fuck well it's probably their last Iraq because they're cleaning out their news division this year Huffpo everything's gone

they're keeping Bravo and like a couple other things that's it. Ariana's doing well though okay so we've never had this problem until you came back Slade Tamara says pulling all the strings

and points to Gretchen now I completely believe that Slade would do this, 100%. But there's one nail in this coffin, and it's that Gina is plotting against Gretchen. You're talking about a conversation that took place that Slade would never be aware of to be able to give a blog. Slade would not be aware that that was happening.

and he would absolutely say that Tamara was the one plotting. He would never put it on Gina because he hates Tamara more than anybody. He's like us. Now, and Dylan, there were multiple examples of that, which is they were completely, Gretchen and Slade weren't even near any of these scenes that were described by this particular. There were examples, though, of, I think Gretchen was in a lot of, them. Right. But that one specifically for me was like, okay, no, that's 100% Tamara. And then I,

I liked how Shannon Bador kind of broke down how the game works, which is a relationship with bloggers or podcasters, which is you feed them some information and then they basically give positive kind of, they jump in front of bullets for you. And yeah, they talk nicely about you. I mean, we've played that game a little bit, but, you know, this was, we've been nice to people because they've done our show. Okay, yeah. Well, that's, I mean, that's just also being decent human beings. But I think that this was an unbelievable, when you have the host saying, you're being a liar right now. There's no, when Andy was chiming in to point out what all of the other women were saying, but the armadillo skin wasn't allowing Tamara to hear it. She still was just like,

I don't, this isn't. And then the upfront situation happens. It's just, it's important. She goes from like the, not the drama and comedy mask, more like the vicious bitch and victim mask. So she'll go, I can't believe this out. You fucking cut! I think losing her mind. I think at this point, she wasn't really, she didn't care about what the other women thought. I think she was defending her livelihood. What she forgot was that she's also a homophobic wench and Andy is gay.

So that was tough for, I don't think Andy wants to defend Gretchen, okay, but you force him to because you are so demonic and wenchy. Yeah. So Gina is asked, do you still feel set up by Tamara, which is kind of a softball? And she says, I can't put it all on her because I brought it up Meatball. She's, she's throw the feathers on her. she's covered in tar her skin is burning just throw the feathers on her what the fuck they all let her it's so nuts um andy softball presses tamara again um and says slade wouldn't know that i just like again

all jokes aside she's not as bad as mo mar kodafi though i do think if she was brought up in that same environment and she was a man she has the same spirit and capability of evil No loyalty, just an awful person. Now, Jacks Taylor is worse than Tamara because he's domestically abused people. In terms of talent, Tamara and Jacks are the exact same. They are convoluted liars, pathological liars. And more than anything, they're not entertaining. Their darkness is an anchor and an albatross on the show.

there's no point to them anymore. They drag the entire experience down. That's why there needs to be a shakeup. It would be very funny if Vicky comes back and Tamrat's not welcome back, but it's kind of the two need to be together. And I would like to see a 20th season with the two of them going to Mexico. Shannon and Vicky. Tamrat and Vicky.

Why do you want to see that? it's because I miss the first couple seasons this is what I think we do I think we bring back Vicky we give Tamara a friend of we dangle it we say you want it back bite this orange bite it you little fish you demonic little wenchy fish come out of your bog and then she'll be absurd and so will Vicky and then maybe bring her back for 21 and then you fire them both for 22 I don't know I I think that she belongs in a fucking courtroom that's where I think Tamara belongs because what doing what uh being civilly tried for defamation and trying to fucking ruin people's lives.

There's no fucking way that Tamara is not guilty of at least five liabilities or seditious or defamatory things. Here's it. Well, yeah. Okay. I don't know if seditious is the right thing. I don't know if that's just politics. I don't know what it is.

Yeah. I know. So you know that Jesus Jugg's husband sued Heather McDonald, Tamrat, and Shannon Bador. Yeah. Because they went on Heather McDonald's podcast and said that he was, her, Jesus Jugg's husband was broke and a loser. Right. And he sued them. I think that, yeah, how could Tamara not be sued by the other women for all this stuff?

Well, they won because he's a public figure. Right. So anyways, we get to any regrets. Sketchy Katie is. Sketchy. Yeah, Shannon says, I'm sorry that I compared you to Alexis Bolino. You're nothing like Alexis Bolino. What she didn't say was that you're way worse.

Way worse, way more dangerous. Alexis Polino is essentially a mannequin. Katie is a snake. So Emily regrets being gross and coming after Katie's kids last year. Gina deeply regrets saying that Heather wasn't funny. And Tamara on the edge of the plank regrets the fatty photo thing. Now we get to Jen and Katie, which I don't know why this was the tail end of the episode. I could have spent time on this.

End the episode with the kind of fizzling out of loyalty with all of the women against Tamara. Don't bookend with this. Or if you're going to, you need to go in on this. And Andy needs to, you know, he needs to put his hat back on and say, but Jen, just out of curiosity, I have seen myself all the rumors that say that is Ryan an informant for the FBI? What's going on with that? And then you just, you know, you could, but they didn't do their jobs. They let Tamara off the hook. I would have shreked that stage and hulked everything and flipped it and broken it until she admitted to my face on camera. I lied and I'm sorry. Yeah,

we need Tamara in a zero dark 30 kind of situation because we just need these answers. So, Jen, and Katie are not doing well she would Jen went to her Katie went to Nicole at um at an event space asked if I was involved in the FBI thing and Katie tries to lie again and she goes why don't you why don't you ask her and she goes I loved this moment of Jen just so exhausted by Katie's lies I don't need to I trust her I don't need to fucking ask her okay um we get hurricanes from New Orleans to toast and Heather DeBros says in order to move forward, the path has to be cleared. The whole thing feels icky and Tamara sits down and starts crying. They take a cast photo without Tamara, made me ear to ear. And then we end with Tamara crying with Katie. And she asks the question, why do these people not trust me? I trust you.

Oh, thanks, Katie. Yeah. It's like Dahmer and. Ed Gain having fucking tea together. But we get to the next day. No, we do not get to the next day. That is an accident. Then those are below deck notes.

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