Another Below Deck Podcast - Pat Flees the Podcast w/ Kate Casey | RHOC S19 E3

Episode Date: July 27, 2025

Dylan and Pat are joined by Kate Casey to break down giant prosperity buildings, grilled cheese, Phil, Ryan's fashion and more from Bravo's RHOC.Patreon.com/AnotherPodcastNetworkhttps://www.youtube.com/@anotherbelowdeckpodcast_Check out Reality Life w/ Kate Casey - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/reality-life-with-kate-casey/id1154758766

We should note that it's like what the likely scenario is that Pat has driven to go pick the child up from the dice game and put the cigarette butts out but me and Kate are gonna finish this episode strong. By the way, is he cursing as he goes? Oh yeah. Is he like, are you kidding me? He is absolutely furious. Now when he gets back I'm to try to talk him off the ledge. Okay? Because this has never happened before. Wait, how can we play a prank on him? What can we do that's so funny? Like he jumps back in the chair and then we're like... You know what we could do? We could, you know, you could send him a text and I could send him a text, a separate text, and just talk about, you know, really how blown away we are at how unprofessional I was.

Hi, hello and welcome to another Brand Spanking New episode of Bad Television. My name is Dylan and that is just just a guy named Pat. Great to be here. Hey um so Ruby has been driving the highways and byways of the East Coast. She's been traveling from Virginia all the way up uh through the states Delaware among them. Oh nice. And uh so she- I grew up near Delaware thank you., please. Delaware among them, she drove through Maryland and had a wicked thunderstorm encounter. So she was going to arrive a little bit late. But in her absence, in her absence, luckily enough for us, we have none other than I would

say the queen of reality television. I'm going to queen of reality television. I'm gonna go there with you. I'm gonna go there with myself too, it's none other than, okay, Casey. Thank you, I grew up very close to the Delaware line. It is a good place, tax-free, good times. You understand why I had to say,

please, I'm trying to build up to a Christopher Nolan kind of suspenseful reveal. Not like the episode title isn't going to say your name or anything. Well, people don't read those as part. They don't read them. Hey, what's going on, Kate? I have a big question for you. Now that you are a father, do you look at these Housewives shows differently?

No, no, I'm unmoved. I've felt as though they were, you know, the housewives are interesting. It's odd because they look like humans, but they're probably a million years behind us in evolution. It's odd. It's like they're still, they're mud creatures essentially.

And that has not changed, you know, pre and post breeding. These people are quite disgusting. But listen, before we get into things, everybody listened to Reality of Life, go to the Patreon. What do you got coming up? What do you got coming up? Oh my God, so much.

Well, you know, I put out a list every week of what to watch. People can go to katecasey.substack.com and sign up, I put out a list every week of what to watch. People can go to katecasey.substack.com and sign up and you get a list every week of what to watch. So one good, like a couple of things to look forward to. The yogurt shop murders is gonna be on August 3rd. And that is a story of anybody watches Dateline in 48 hours, you're gonna know this case, four girls that were killed as they were closing up

this frozen yogurt shop in Austin, Texas. Oh gosh. And they arrested these two young men and then they released them a couple years later. So that's like one of those true crime case doc series that will like. Who could kill in a yogurt shop? It's such a fun place. It's very quaint. It's like having your head cut off at Disneyland.

It shouldn't happen unless you fall off Matterhorn. Or you're on Thunder Mountain. And we've said many times that place is dangerous. Another show I think you might like is, I really liked it. It's called Hitmakers on Netflix. And they go to these songwriting camps that I didn't really know much about. Pat, this is up your alley.

And the people that they cast are actual real Songwriters, it's like a competition show, but it looks like love is blind in the pods Yes, they have this couple that wrote butter that BTS song. That's so popular And anyway, they have like John Legend and these other shaboosies as names Shaboosie Shaboosie they come in and they so theseaboosie. Shaboosie. They come in and they, so these three teams, they present the song that they wrote for the artist. But you get to see the whole process of how they work together and write the song.

It's like, what I like about it is you get a window into someone's like mad genius. I liked it, that's a good one. And then the Billy Joel documentary is really good. Do you watch the Billy Joel documentary? I have and I feel like I've seen a million already. Did you know about the whole Attila thing in the beginning of his life? Attila? He was in a band called Attila. Yeah, and

then he what he moved in with the other band member and then fell in love with the guy's wife. Oh, yeah, he married her and then married her. But before they got married, he tried to kill himself numerous times. He was so depressed to the the tear and he's a drunk oh really yeah there's um another doc addiction issues it's called hired gun and they interview all like side musicians of famous people oh yeah his whole backup band was on that doc they hate his fucking guts oh really well he's very very talented wait what is that hired guns it's great doc i actually worked for one of the guys in it.

We are, we could talk about docs all day especially with these two kooky cats. Wait, last question. Did you guys watch Amy Bradley's Missy? I did. Kate, look. All right, so Amy Bradley and the news reporter, the audience loves this. And the news, forgive me, I forgot her name already. Okay. Oh, Jodie, who's in Trude? That's right. So Dateline. That is a silly name. If you listen to Josh Mangowitz talk, and he's one of the hosts of of Dateline,

he had said they intentionally stopped doing stories that had no ending because the audience was very frustrated when, you know, clock 59 minutes, the episode ends and they go, well, we don't know. And so those two docs end that way. Yeah. Hey, have you ever seen Prisoners? The movie? Yeah. I liked it.

Hugh Jackman. Yeah. You've never seen Prisoners? No, I watch movies. Wow. You want a whodunit murders kidnapping story? That's a pretty good one. That's a heavy one.

But listen, nothing is heavier than the lives of these women, which are all in torment. We have children co-signing student loans for $70,000 a year universities. We have massive prosperity gospel media buildings being gutted and hosting Heather DeBros, whatever birthday. This episode, I was speaking to Poopy Pants before I got here. And I'm sorry the Poopyy pants won't be joining us

because I think that I know we're only three episodes in. But I think it's the best episode so far this season. This was a really, really good episode. Oh, you're already giving your oranges. Yeah, I'm gonna go good. Are you sure about that? Oh, yeah, I thought it was really good. And I'm pretty positive about it. I give it 100 tits. You give it 100 boobs. Yeah. All right, Kate, what do you give

this episode? 1515 boobs. That is not a lot. Yeah. All right, Kate, what do you give this episode? 15. 15 boobs. That is not a lot. That's not a lot. I guess I liked it more than both of you. So I'm going to be very. Well, I gave it 100.

Now, oh, you gave it 100. 100 out of 100. Oh, you did. Sorry. Sorry. She gave 15. I had a brain boof there. Are you on freaking loomy right now?

No, no, no, no. I'm trying to choose my words wisely here. Kate is friends with some of these people. Who cares? Well, am I though? I know them. Okay. Katie, she is so sketchy. She, I was sharing, uh, Shannon Bedore's sentiment at the tail end of this episode when she called her evil and said there's something wrong with you mentally She said she's worse than Tamra. Yeah, but you know what all those women record each other So that was like a little bit over the top for me I'm like you think Shannon Bedora has not videotaped people. Well, the important thing is to not get caught She got caught as did that cut on they all do it

Well, Cindy Lou Who on Salt Lake City, who is like, Jen is the more mature version of her, but just as doomed for ruin, I would say. Jen is the. By the way, we've forgotten of the fact that she had three skittles in her bank account last season and that the the guy may go to prison. We forgot about that. Now we're being presented like they're the Brady Bunch. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I don't believe that for a second. And I also don't think they're going to get married. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also Jen's telling people, listen, don't lower your ethical standards by the people that are around you. You're married to a criminal. It's like crazy.

I loved when he was given advice to what's her youngest son's name. Dot Dawson Dawson is yeah, Dawson and and then Ryan jumps in there. He's like, Yeah, you know, you gotta, you know, work out your finances and make sure and like, he should have just turned on and said, didn't you unbezel $12 million? You fucking snake. You got to meet the right baseball players. You got to meet good ones, young ones. Dawson's the only one they could pay enough to agree to be on camera.

I'm convinced of it. And what Ryan, my God, I'm so excited to talk about Ryan. What a grease ball. What a camera whore. I mean, can you imagine having surgery and then going to a party the next day that the person doesn't want you at. Yeah. I mean, if I had knee surgery, I'd be in bed with dim sum in Yellowstone.

I don't watch Yellowstone, but you take the point. Anyways, we got to get into the show. All right. So I'm giving my injections. Okay. So, Katie. That's from Miami. Yeah, sorry.

Okay. Don't bring that. Okay. Don't bring that's for me. Yeah, sorry. OK, I don't bring that. OK, don't bring that here. OK. I think she is one of the worst human beings on this show. She's not good at everything that she tries. And we still don't know a lot about her past. She's got like fucking a kid on every continent living somewhere that she doesn't raise.

She has that past where she like filed a false police report and then like had a a civil suit against her. She was homeless for a while. I need explanations of of this this past that we have yet to hear. And then she's constantly lying. She's constantly manipulating. She's like, think about how she came onto the show last year. And we didn't know that she was always full of it.

Her storyline was she was going for Heather DeBrow and Terry with she knew a TMZ reporter that said that they called in the paparazzi. And she never had any evidence of that. It was like, here say, she's tried that three more times. I'm glad that she's getting what's hers. Yeah, you won her on one of those Vandy Fair lie detector tests.

Newcomers make a couple of mistakes. They like go over the top in the way they dress. Like you see that Stephanie in Real Housewives of Miami. They are sloppy with their investigative adjacent work and they talk too much. Like they tell, they talk too much and they tell each person like a different version of the story. And for any of the Cast members to make this mistake at this point in the 20 years that this these shows have been on air is crazy

Like you've studied the show you should actually know how to do it But I think once they get on camera everything flies out the door and they get all nervous and then they get sloppy Katie is extremely sloppy and there was an exception to that first year kind of behavior, Megan Edmonds. Wonderful showing by her. Yeah, she has definitely spent many nights investigating. She's like a hyper-focused person when she wants to take someone down.

And I salute that. Me too. Well, we kick things off with the two best friends that anyone could have. We're back to another wellness thing with Meatball and Sketchball, evidently. Kate, you're in the OC. How many just carbon copy wellness places are there

with like expensive machinery that has some kind of LED feature on them? I definitely have noticed that, but the two things that they have put on this show thus far, the one with the roller ball and then the scalp collector or whatever, I had never heard of them before. I think that the good people of the rest of the country think that we're insane here and for good reason because people in Southern California will pay so much money if they think it's wellness or beauty oriented.

Why do you need someone to clean your scalp? And for like 200 plus now obviously, Katie makes that remark like and this was expensive. There's no way in hell she paid for that. Oh, no, no, she's morally bankrupt in her soul. But yeah, Katie admits that she's on an apology tour when she's talking to Meatball. And then she says she's paying for this expensive scalp cleanse. And then I believe she insinuates that Gina is disgusting. Yeah, she did. She for sure was like, you need this scalp scalp correction because you're just, yeah. Also, I feel like Gina has just sort of, like I kind of admire it,

but I'm confused by it at the same time, where like the first episode she's putting on what looks like Lee Press on nails, and she doesn't want to pay for a makeup person. She's either much smarter than the rest of them or she's phoning this in. You know, it's weird because my next note is that there's this weird thing with Meatball

where she's putting on these Lee press nails. And it's just, it's great to have you on because we do kind of think akin. Okay, so- Let's go to Emily's house. She's got a dog named after a subpar sandwich shop. I think it was Quiznel. Well, also, and hang on, hang on a second.

Togo. Oh, Togo's. Hang on. Don't besmirch Togo's or Quizno's because you're a fucking sandwich rat who eats at Subway all the time, which is absolutely disgusting. Quizno's. I haven't had a sandwich in 19 years.

I don't get it. You don't get sandwiches? No, I'm not into them. I mean, you haven't you haven't had a sandwich in 19 years. I don't get it. You don't get sandwiches? No, I'm not into it. I mean, you haven't had a sandwich, hang on. Why would I eat something that's too styrofoam planks with shit in between? Hang on a second. What are you, you make sandwiches at home, right?

My kids do, I don't eat them. Okay. I should also note that I have a gluten allergy. So gluten free sandwiches. Bread is disgusting. Your bread is styrofoam, but you know, bread is, there's a lot of beautiful bread out there. Not any at Subway, which is Pat's favorite, but can I just to speak on the evil of Tamra judge who is I mean, her name is Tamrat. She's a gargoyle, but she heads over to Emily's house and she sees this this toga quiz no, you know,

chicken bacon ranch, whatever it is. And she says, Is that a coyote? Do not speak that way about other people's dogs, especially a rescue. Okay, that's a disgusting thing to say. Is that a is that a coyote? Well, it did look like a coyote. Are you a coyote? It was acting like a camera looks more like a coyote than that dog. Okay. So listen, um, by the way, why? So do a lot of people foster dogs? I'm it's crazy to me, but evidently they do. It feels like God's the work our next door neighbor yeah no I do too it's it's insane I mean you know

dice roll aside I mean you could lose your face but what if you get attached to fostering chimpanzees well no I mean but dogs can bite and dogs can bite hard okay so can someone break down the Gretchen thing that we get to? Oh, sure. Okay, so Gretchen shows up

and I thought it was an amazing first scene that she shot. She was loaded for bear. And the one thing I appreciated about Gretchen is that she's kind of getting Tamrat off her feet because I think Gretchen has studied the show clearly, watched every scene back. And so she's- Oh, by the way, I just talked to her and she said she doesn't watch the show and hasn't watched the show clearly, watched every scene back. And so she's-

Oh, by the way, I just talked to her and she said she doesn't watch the show and hasn't watched the show for years. Okay. I love it when they say that. She also never got surgery. She has no surgeries. She hasn't done any surgeries.

All right. Well, so what the issue is here is that Gretchen in her time, her 12 years off the show, was pretty busy posting things and Sydney Tamrat's daughter, who 12 years off the show, was pretty busy posting things. And Sydney, Tamrat's daughter, who doesn't live with her, had made a post, and then Gretchen commented on it. Meanwhile, She contacted, to Tamrat, she contacted her daughter.

That's right. And meanwhile, Tamrat has her own side of the street she needs to clean up. When Slade's son died at 22, he was sick almost his entire life. She went on her podcast. His son lived to age 22. I believe so. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah. Wow. He was sick for a very long time. Very long time. So and to honor that Tamrat went on her podcast and

said that they were so poor that they had to do a go fund me to pay for his funeral. Is that true? Classy bitch. Yeah and then I love how uh no but honestly is that true they couldn't pay for the funeral? You know better than us. I think I would not know that. How often do you see Gretchen in public down in OC? Not never although she lives. I don't I never do. Wow. Do you guys is there a little cottage industry that's cropped up around the the tour of Shannon Bedore's crash site? Oh, yeah, there are lots of people that have come. It's like

a Mecca. Lots of people have ventured out those ways. Alright, so Gretchen, Jen and Tamara are fighting. Can we contain the show? It's so all of it. All right. So yeah, we so we bounce around here. All right. Shannon Bador and Heather and Jen are at a steakhouse in the middle of the day, it seems. Bungalow, bungalow, bungalow, bungalow. And then meanwhile, at that dandandruff landfill Katie tells Gina that she texted

Shannon Bador yes to apologize for recording her and telling Alexis Bellini Then she recants that later on Katie is all over the place. You're true. That's true. She did recant Yep, so we've got a lot of verses right? We've got Tamra verse Jen We've got Jen verse to bro, you know the the two keepers of the two sides of that battle. And maybe coming up we've got Jen versus Katie because Katie's been implying that Jen knows that she showed the recording to Jesus jugs. This always happens too.

You have two newcomers that cling to one another like they're on a raft in the middle of the Atlantic. Right. And last season, if you remember, it was suggested that Jen calls Katie a sociopath behind her back. So at some point, these two are going to go to blows. For sure. Now, Ryan and Tamara are in a legal dispute, just a tiny little one. And Heather says that she is not, she's not not inviting Orion, but that Tamara has told her that legally,

it's probably not a good idea for her to be in the same building as Ryan. And Tamara was absent from this party. But well, Oh no, she's going to show up. Oh, that's right. She'll arrive. I think she arrives on one of Slade's exes.

Yeah, she'll arrive next episode. This is my problem with this show. I don't want to see anyone who was on the show years and years before. We need to move into the new millennium. Like, you know what I mean? Like, let's go forward. I agree with you.

With one exception, I would love for Megan Edmonds to come back. I would like for the driver that picked Vicki Thurbleson. I think Megan Edmonds only makes sense if she's in scenes with Vicki. Otherwise, what's the point? Totally makes sense. All right, so a couple things I just want to make sure we covered here.

So Jen is, in an unusual show of loyalty, defends Katie, who she also hates, to go after Tamrat after Heather DeBrow essentially announces that Katie is done and there's no fucking going back after secretly recording a cast member. And then also Jen really gets quite upset when Heather says that she's not not inviting Ryan, but she's not inviting him. And she says, that's my husband. Jen, let's let's cool it down. Ryan doesn't have to come to every girl's event.

You know why they're codependent. Remember that the, the, the, the last week's episode where they invited everybody over for burritos. All three couples sat in this weird sort of like cult, like, uh, I don't know form, but each couple, the guy is holding on to the woman in this weird way. I think they're all codependent relationships. That's why they clung to each other. I agree. And these are troubled waters they have to chart.

So it's better to have it do it with someone else. All right, so I want to say this. Heather does quite the high wire act to ensure that Ryan doesn't attend that birthday. Obviously it doesn't go well. But think about this from a strategy standpoint. If you're trying to like ice someone off the show, the best thing you can do is basically stop allowing

them to show up to events. I think that's where Tamra, when she meets with Heather Debrow later, and she's like, well, if he's going, I'm not going. It kind of worked with, well, actually, it didn't work with Ariana and Tom Sandoval. It really worked with jugs. Bedor won that battle.

She did. She froze jugs off the girls trip. Yep, she froze her off the girls trip. You're not on three episodes because the whole cast is somewhere else. And yeah, you're officially and if you don't like show up for an episode or two, people quickly forget about you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm excited for the day where I haven't thought about Tamra in 10 years. I'm really excited. Didn't you forget about her when she wasn't on the season?

I did, but then I have to rewatch her on TV and I remember who she is. Right, a question about Jen, where do you think about her authenticity? Like, obviously there should be one rule about Katie, which is never trust anything that comes out of her mouth. With Jen, she makes poor life decisions, like shacking up with Ryan.

I think it has been her dream to be on the show for the last 20 years. I know that because when Bronwyn was applying to the show, she told me she was in the finals with a woman who I now know as Jen, but her Instagram handle at the time was like Kodo mom of five or something. So I know that she was trying to get on the show for a long time. So I don't think she has loyalty anyone. I think her loyalty is to the producer that asked her to do something.

She's also a fucking bozo. What did Sam Ratcaller dimwit? I mean, listen, we've, we've, we've seen when people are this bad with money, it goes past bozo and like, oh, you've got well, there's like, there's something missing on her. Anything that happens to her, she sort of like, checks out. Yeah, like even when her son is talking about financial stuff, she's checked. She's not there. She's on planet Sparkle. She's

not doesn't she's not with us. When we get to that DOS conversation. That's one of the most insane things I've I don't mean to be hyperbolic, but it's one of the craziest things I've seen on this show. And Jen's just like, this is unbelievable. And I get being an optimist when you're in dark waters, but be a pessimist for a little bit, it's bad. You don't need to shine this piece of shit.

Yeah, but she also clearly is someone who's like, oh, Ryan will just take care of it. Even when she saw all the red flags. I mean, and there were numerous ones last season. She still is hanging her coat in his closet. Yeah. But his financial tributaries are among the most unsustainable things. Yeah, it's hard to find another job laundering money. You know, they also said like they have seven children collectively as a couple.

I'm like, well, where are the other two? They're Ryan's kids. Where are they? Yeah. Are they like, we are not participating in the show. That's going to like take her dad down. But also when do you call? I know it's crude, but, but at what number do you refer to them as a litter?

I'm just, I'm, I'm wondering, You're asking me with a mom of five. I don't think you're there yet. I think six might say as a litter. I'm just, I'm wondering. Anything after six. Asking me with a mom of five. I don't think you're there yet. I think six might be, yeah. Six, it's a half a dozen. Yeah. Do we know how he makes money now? No, I have no clue.

Okay, so that well is dry now. There is not gonna be money. Let's just go with maybe internet marketing, because I feel like that is like a term that works on all reality shows. Entrepreneur, consultant. Finances. Influencer. internet marketing, because I feel like that is like a term that works on all reality shows, entrepreneur, consultants, Finances.

Influencer, those are things like broad terms. Business, suite, manager, consultant. Okay, so at the house with Katie, she switched her son's school's senior year. I don't know what goes into this decision. This seems bad. These are difficult decisions for families to make and not knowing the kind of granularity of it.

I will still judge it as psychotic and cruel. That is nuts. I may say something that may offend a lot of people, but it's hard to understand her plight because she's such a compulsive liar. You know what it could be though? Because she doesn't actually own a home here. So maybe they were like dipping in just to see

if it would work out, if she could stay on the show. And now she's like, okay, well, at least I'm gonna get a second season. And he's like, well, I guess I'll move there then. Yeah, there may be a good reason for it. But that's something, as a parent, you'd be like, something has to really force this. And Kate, you watch a lot of reality TV

and analyze the game and the scenes and what are people trying to portray themselves as. This scene was clearly orchestrated to clean up some loose ends. It was cleaning up the streets. Yeah. And the maker. Why was it cleaning up the streets? Yeah. And why was it cleaning her and

her husband are going back and forth kind of like just planting like breadcrumbs of well this is why we did this and this is why he lives here. Because everybody was like why are all the kids in different homes and did you lose custody and so it was kind of a setup with the kids. Well I don't know if she had an intentional conversation but it was like wait know, we're so glad we're all back to get like the bands back together. And we always were going to be together. And I, yeah, it's, she's like trying to clean up the streets. She also says that she was always a supportive mother and being supportive means allowing your kids to make their own decisions about where they want to live. Yeah. What if the kids said he want, I want to quit school and beat want to live. Yeah. What if the kid said he want I want to quit school

and beat off all day? Yeah. You'd be like, uh. Follow your dreams. I think what she was trying to say is like the court system sometimes, I don't know if it's like this now, but I know that when I was little, my mom, or at least my mom told me that the judge would go, OK,

which parent should I live with? Which is like a horrible position to put a child in. Because ultimately, wherever you choose, the other parent is like, you're an asshole kid and you're not gonna get anything. Well, it's just, that'd be a tough burn. And Katie was pretty consistent with kids just saying, you're better off with your dad.

Well, we roll the tape on this Emily situation. My wife's blowing my phone up. I just wanna make sure she's okay. Oh no okay okay so Pat's got a child care emergency the the children are fine they're just they're just strained. They're just strained smoking cigarettes on the corner. Yeah they're just rolling dice in the corner so anyways and Ellie's really good I don't know how she makes the dice do what she wants them to do but okay so really good. I don't know how she makes the dice do what she wants them to do. But okay, so we roll the tape on this Emily at the reunion thing and we've been doing Miami at patreon.com slash another podcast network. I would equate

a cut. I always kind of liked Emily and thought her dunking on chain was very fun and then when she did this at last year's reunion, it was pretty gross. So I kind of equate that to Gertie's text at the cancer gala moment. Like this is last season, that was a point of no return for me and Emily. I'm not the biggest fan of her after that. What say you?

Sometimes I, well, I should say, this show just totally bores me. I feel like it's the same sort of like hijinks. Like I've got some food in my bag. My husband's a little dorky, you know, piece of shit. And like, I don't know. And like nothing really changes on this show. It gets kind of boring to me.

So I think I've let go of the little picadillos that annoy me about each person. And I'm just collectively like, why doesn't the show ever get better? Yeah, you're just lobotomized all the way through it. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel that. I don't know what they can do. I mean, I think that one of the things about, you know, I think that one of the things about, these franchises need real money. Me and Ruby talk about it a lot. I think so, yeah. We do not watch this show to see

moderately successful people have melodrama with one another. You have to go to both ends of the poles. We need to see, you know, teens that are catching catfish with their bare hands, fighting with each other, or we need to see, you know, filthy wealthy people doing it, right?

You know what, I think you're right. And you know what, it just came to me. We look at these shows like a social experiment. And it's an interesting like research experience to see how problems that we all have would be different with somebody who has a lot of money. So like, do we care that much about how Gina navigates shit that we all deal with? No, no, no, I want to see is it different if you have a lot of money, you have a jet, you have multiple houses? Like how does that differ than the people I know in my neighborhood?

And I wonder if Heather's kind of like, acridness would soften a little bit if there were more wealthy people around her, because her being the richest person and talking about it as often she anyways, you know, that's a good question. Do you okay, let's say that hires someone would that on rattle someone who likes to be at the top of the station? Or would that mellow them out? Nothing would be better for this show than to have someone wealthier than Heather Dubrow.

You know what? That's a good point. Because think about it, like Lou Ann de la Seps was always like, well, and the counts wife and blah blah blah, and then how did they destroy that for her? We they get Carol Roswell right and then we witnessed the Amelia Earhart. Yeah Spiral down words for the next couple of seasons and it was incredible that was it was worth watching for that reason So worth watching. So anyways we get to bowling with Emily and the gang Shane throws a ball down the lane,

and Emily says that was so hot. What? Bowling just doesn't do it for me. Sorry. But I don't know that it's ever done it for any woman ever. I don't think so. It was so crazy to hear a woman look at her husband be a chain or anybody and say that was so hot. I mean, I don't even care if it's

freaking you know, Michael C is to see Jordan throwing that ball. I mean, I agree. It's not hot. So that scene first started because I'm working through the logistics all the time. Cause you know, a lot of these people don't actually even live in that area. Heather, her kids go to school in Los Angeles. They don't even go to school in the County of Orange. So I'm thinking, I know exactly where that bowling place is. So you've got Emily, who's like a good 35 minute drive.

Gina's probably 45 minutes from there. Oh my gosh, dude. Emily, who's like a good 35 minute drive, Gina's probably 45 minutes from there. Oh my gosh, dude. And then Shannon lives somewhere around there. Like you gotta make it at least practical. Like would those two people ever, for example, am I gonna drive to meet you to go do lawn bowling? No, it wouldn't make sense. You'd be like, let's meet halfway. Right. And halfway between me and you is what, the city of industry?

Long Beach. Yes, or something. Okay. So we're, I mean, I don't think there's really anything to do other than hit the outlets out there. But I mean, listen, it's still up in the air. So Shannon Bedore heads in with a new man that she met on Love Hotel. She really cleaned up on Love Hotel, got a lot of relationships, a lot of contacts out of that. Well, I think they could have also been like, this show didn't do really well, so why don't we throw these guys a bone

and let them appear on Real Housewives of Orange County. I also didn't like it when Gina said, well, all these guys, you know, are they in it for the right reasons? Is it because they wanna be mega famous? And I was like, I don't know if John Jansen is mega famous. He's niche, well known, but not mega famous. But it's a kind of famous that doesn't really net you anything. Like, no, certainly not. Like people are so like revolted by him. And even if they weren't, I don't think that they

would be fawning. And John Jansen has the kind of fame wearing if he approached Let's say a company with any kind of product be it wellness or material goods. They would say no. Thank you So how do you work in the angle? I was a boyfriend A Real Housewives, right and that makes that company go now. We've got to work the angles on this Not gonna happen. All. Alright so Gina asks about Adam's retirement plan. She really kind of puts him in a vice grip and Travis has to come in and say hey meatball leave him alone a little bit. For some. How are those two back together? Like what was the so he moved out. It happened in the shadows. It happened in the shadows and if I was

Travis I would have never forgiven her for what she did but there's also this thing where Shannon is talking about this guy wanting to have children and You know obviously wait that guy who went with her that's the one she was talking about. Yes. He wants kids Yeah, he wants kids the guy has full Barbara Bush white hair. Yeah, what so he wants to impregnate a woman? So there's okay, so Listen everyone can can want for something right, right? Of course, but but and and so I don't want to be judgmental of people like, you know, you don't know Maybe he lost kids, maybe he was never able to, right? So maybe that's what's going on. But if he has children...

They also live in Orange County, and to understand Orange County is to know that all of the men that are over 42 years of age believe that they should be with a 24 year old. Yeah, exactly. So Shannon is not gonna have any kids because she's you know, she's an older woman. But the fact that you know, this is a little bit, you know, this is what's a little disgusting about the male male hubris. Why is your brain not shut down on this opportunity? Like you mentioned, you're you're white and red all over Santa Claus. It's not going to happen. No, no, no, no.

God. So, by the way, did you hear what happened with that bachelor, the new golden bachelor? He's from Newport Beach and he's 66 and he played football at University of Michigan and became his lawyer. So he does this interview on a University of Michigan podcast and he's kind of like gloating about how they asked him to be the golden bachelor. And he's bragging about how he told a producer, I don't want anyone that's under no, everyone has to be under 60. He's 66. I don't want anybody who isn't fit and wears wigs. And then people were horrified to go, why'd you choose a guy from Newport Beach?

It's a sea of veneers here. It's dudes in like convertibles on human growth hormone with tight t-shirts who think they should be with a 24 year old woman. Yeah I'm surprised he didn't say whites only, which I'm sure he might have implied it. Maybe he would have given him enough time. I think he could have gotten there. We should note that it's like what the likely scenario is that Pat has driven to go pick the child up from the dice game and put the cigarette butts out but me and Kate are gonna finish this episode strong. So by the way is he cursing as he goes? Oh yeah. Is he like are you kidding me? He is absolutely furious. Now when he gets back I'm gonna try to talk about the ledge okay because this has never happened before. Wait how can we play a prank on him?

You know I'm not sure. What can we do that's so funny like he jumps back in the chair and then you know what we could do um we could you know you could send him a text and I could send him a text and be a separate text and just talk about You know really have blown away. We are at how unprofessional And I could just be out of here and not take his calls But I think he's already Having a bad enough day, so I'll save that for another time. Okay, so we wrap with Shannon and Emily talk about hate,

not hating or not liking Katie. And Shannon keeps saying things like she's never going to speak to her ever again. And it's like, Shannon, you're on a television show. So you're going to talk to her. So we get to Ryan and Jen. The kids aren't well adjusted because they've been in flux quite a bit.

And then we find out that Dawson, we talked about this last season, but he is going to join the Marines. God bless, God bless. God bless, thank you for your service. Thank you for your service. Harrison is another child who, you know, obviously smart kid, got into USC, but-

By the way, I'm very impressed. That's hard to get into USC right now, so well done, Harrison. Very, very difficult to get into USC right now. Very, very difficult to get into USC. But yeah, I mean, listen, when I was in high school, I mean, kids that had perfect GPAs weren't getting into USC. So it's totally, it's tough to get in. But USC is a fantastic school. It's also a breeding ground for douchebags. And it's a racket. So it's $ a breeding ground for douchebags and it's a racket

so it's $72,000 a year correct and Harrison needs a little bit of financial assistance in order to get into that school now because of that he needs his brother evidently to co-sign the loan, which Dawson did without letting his mother know. Now Well, by the way, can I just say? Yeah. How awful to not have a conversation about the reality of what the parents can pay for

before he applies to the school. He gets, you know, the word that he's gotten in and way to dash this kid's hopes. You know what I mean? There are so many confusing things about this. Like I wanna know really just how disgusting this ex-husband is. Because I can't think of, short of child abuse and murder I can't really think of

anything more disgusting than having your child co-sign on a loan that he or you cannot afford. I agree. It's bananas to me but then we've got this thing and you know Pat and I always you know Pat's very thrifty and he looks over contracts a lot. So he doesn't really have a lot of time for people who signed bad contracts. And I go, Pat, you got to you got to think that these are very predatory industries. And I was thinking about, you know, and who's to say who's right and who's wrong? I think I think Pat's right.

You know, you got to do your homework on these things. But what kind of contract or loan is advanced further via the signature of an 18 year old who is smoking pot in his car and coming home late at night and just goes, I'm going to join the Marines. What documentation or financial agreement is advanced by that? Like what is happening there? This whole thing was... They could show this video at a congressional hearing. Honestly, I think Katie Porter would do a lot

with this video. I agree with you. Okay, so we have to get to this lunch with Tamara. And Heather, Tamara's very down to the dumps. I was concerned that Tamara, and I do not think that Tamara's above this, but I should say I'm waiting for the moment where she, I don't know, maybe she won't,

but weaponizes and utilizes the Teddy situation to get sympathy from people. Okay, I will say this. I did talk to her during that period of time when Teddy was just first diagnosed and Tamara was like comatose. She was like, how am I supposed to film the show? Because that's her business partner too. I mean, obviously they're very close friends, but I do think there is some authenticity

there. I don't know how it's going to play out. But talking to her in that period of time, I am going to throw her a gigantic bone. She was catatonic. Well, let's just call it a wishbone and make it like one of those dog treat wishbones. But no, they do seem like they're good friends

and that's always a painful thing to go through. But Heather has planned an expensive party. By the way, that place that Tamara and Heather met up with Heather would never in a million years go to Mozambique in Laguna Beach. That's like outdated furniture and design and has like watered down in the birds. Like that's the funny thing about this show is like

they purposely make her film in places she would never go. I love that. And then what was that thing about the champagne glasses? She was like, don't bring me a champagne glass. I think that people in the know in the champagne world, you know, evidently, it's better to be in a glass like a champagne or like a regular wine glass. We were all forced into flutes and it's not conducive. This was like we were programmed to believe that there was a special unique quality to these glasses that make the experience desirable. But what you're telling me is it's fine to just put it in like a tumbler.

Well, not only is it fine, to put it in a flute is actually to destroy the bouquet of the champagne. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It breaks down the notes of peach and strawberry It really undercuts the experience right got it. So interesting So Heather likes her champs, but she's planned an expensive party Terry DeBrow Who looks like a mouse that was turned into a prince and is now an old prince? But the spell didn't work all the way and that was a weird way to describe him And I want to apologize for that, but he says how much is this party? So the one that she threw at no boo was 35 grand. This is four times more expensive than that

Here's the thing they're gonna get some of that cut right the caterer or whatever. They're gonna get some deal. They're gonna get some You know something well somebody will pay for something you know, I'm sure that that weed stand probably showed up for free, but I don't really understand throwing parties for people in general. But when you're when you're spending this amount of money, it's just such a foreign desire to me. It just seems so crazy, you know? Well, it's flaunting, it's braggadocia at its highest point. But I have been troubled to under, I've had some trouble understanding some decisions that they've talked about it this season.

Like the last one from last season about their house and the $8 million. That was surprising to me if it's even real because Heather seems like she's got an iron fist and has like Excel spreadsheets that lay next to her at night. So how could they let $8 million? You know, I think, you know,

we talk about Umami Burger quite often, you know, I think that they have so many properties I think they might be stretched too thin. And this was their, their, you know, their baby. So I do think if Heather was on top of any project, it would be this one. But perhaps they were, you know, stretched too thin. And they got done over by a contractor, I'm not sure. But God, dude, we are so all over the place. I have to plug my freaking computer in. I just

got the the... Kate, sorry, this is a horror show. Okay, let's get to the party. What, what is this building? Is it known in Orange County? Oh, thank you for asking. Okay, so right near South Coast Plaza, which you know that that mall, there is this monstrosity in over the top, halaciously decorated white building made of like granite and dripping concrete.

And it was occupied by Trinity Broadcasting Network, which was like- Prosperity gospel. Prosperity gospel. But once they left left there was nobody who would actually want to have that building and it's like it's got some Anchorage I understand that fucking amphitheater it's weird so then I understand that somebody in town may or may not have purchased it who's like a

quasi socialite so I do sometimes see pictures where like socialite. So I do sometimes see pictures where like, socialite and socialite adjacent will go there. But it's such a weird, like they must get it for free because no one would choose that place because the way it's situated along the 405 and how ugly it is inside and out, it's just a mystery. But it just shocks me that Heather would want to have a party at a place like that. It's amazing how... Like, Kirk Cameron has spent a couple days there. Oh, for sure. A hundred percent. It's bananas to me how lucrative Prosperity Gospel is. Like, think about how much

you're rolling in when you can get a building like this and then just move on from it. I mean, my god, they have the fucking Sistine Chapel wallpaper on the ceiling. So I think that there are cameras in the bathrooms. I'm gonna go with you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, I when some when things are so bananas, I call it the nattery. I've said that like, when you can't explain it. You know, can I say something? Usually I don't reference crazy situations as bananas as often as I've done today. I say that a lot though. But yeah, banana, but total banana-ry. Ryan had knee surgery the day before, like we mentioned.

If you had knee surgery, how many... Like, okay, let's say you're a socialite, you're invited to two events a month. How many nos are you gonna dole out before you get back on your feet? Because I'm probably gonna be like at least six to eight months, I'm just saying no to things. Oh, absolutely, yeah.

But this guy strikes me as wanting to be a Broadway star, like Broadway, baby He sings the shower. He does a lot of headshots. He looks a lot in the mirror He runs through lines of auditions that are never gonna happen. He wants to be an STA are and maybe with a double R Yeah, it's it's it's banana re You know Pat often says that men as They they get up in age, dress in the decade or era where they got the most action.

Action? Yeah. Oh, wow. That, yes, that sounds right. His style is weird because I don't think there's any way that he could have dressed like that when he was getting the most action. It's like he's adjacent to that style but he's he's tick-tocked it up. Well, thank you. I was just gonna say I feel like he dresses as if Well, thank you. I was just gonna say I feel like he dresses as if John Johnson was in a boy band.

Yeah, it's so bizarre. I mean, everything about the guy. Everything about the guy is so trashy. He's also really dialed up the tan in a in a Louis Ruelas sort of way. Yeah, I don't do dudes at that point go the tanner I am the buffer or younger I look like a lot of women will get the tan because they think like look skinnier What does the super tan do to a man? You know, I've never really understood it. I think that you know men who are Not Italians from the tri-state area are really not that concerned with the hue of their skin You know if they you know, if we're going to a lake house for a week

We'll probably come back a little bit tanner but um outside of that I mean, I don't know Donald Trump seems fairly preoccupied What if they took all these skis or boyfriends and put them on some sort of? apprentice fight like No, like reality show like Louie and Ryan competing for you know, three gold plates in the mountain or something Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So are you talking about boardroom competing show? Are you talking about like the challenge? I mean either or but boardroom might be more fun. But like who would the contestants be they would be Louie Louie for sure Dolores's boyfriend.

Ryan. Ryan, we would get Todd on there. Oh, without question. We would probably have Slade on there. Slade would be there. Yep. Yeah. And I think a boardroom show might be good because, you know, in in Trump's absence, I think that Omarosa could really helm up the reboot of that show

and having all of these men have to. Oh, I know who else. And I got a media presence to see if I wanted to interview him, Jody from Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's participating. Marcus Jordan, shoe in. Perfect, perfect.

This is, yeah, this is a great show. Did we just come up with a great idea? I don't think it's quite traitors, but I think people will tune in So listen this party is absolutely insane Mac gets there and says what are the odds on this party? I love that Matt is Still bringing up the fact that Ryan is a degenerate Gambling criminal, but now they're posing it like they're all like yeah, they're buddies

They hang out like I cannot imagine those two hanging out. No, and I think golf guy loathes him and is not happy with you. I have to say, I have spent time with Matt and I thought he was a very normal person. But then I'm always struck with the agreement to appear on the show. Does that make you not normal? Katie is one of the most beautiful people I've ever seen on this show.

I would have forgotten to bring it up. Stunning woman. Stunning woman. Like beyond. Stunning woman. Like where are you in the world pageant? It's crazy. Unreal.

Beautiful. the world pageants like crazy. Unreal. So I think that he I can understand why he may have gotten caught up in the web of deceit and criminality and why he's on the show. Okay, so anyway, Shannon Bador gets there walks in with another man. She's got quite the roster. Phil, I think Phil might be my favorite. He seems like a pretty chill guy. But this is when we get the tour of the building. And as we mentioned, Christian Television Compound. Did you spot Tarek and his wife, Heather from HDTV in the background?

They are friendly. They're in that social group that Heather kind of dips in and out of when she comes to the County of Orange. How's Tarek doing? Had a little bit of an issue there a while back. Well I don't know, because they're like canceling all those HGTV shows, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, our institutions are dying. The talk show, the HGTV show, all of it. Okay, so Gretchen hits the party and we talk pretty openly about not only breaking Slade's cock, but we go into granular detail about what it looks like when the blood flow arrives. And if I was Slade, I'd be like, hey, what are you doing right now?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot. I can't imagine a guy would be down with that being brought to the table. No, I mean. That's like talking about like a woman having mastitis or something. Yeah. It's like it's not your place to bring this up. No, no, no. Let's not talk about the aesthetic of anybody's genitalia without their written and verbal consent. Thank you. Agreed. So at some point Shannon goes over to the food says this is all fattening. Phil says well not the sushi. She says you know what I'm gonna go in it grabs a grilled cheese

And then is confronted by Katie Not a great start Katie is breaking down whether Shannon was inside or outside and I worry that that arguments or attempts at resolution with Katie you know I think that she may have some kind of personality disorder because when you're and I know, freaking, you know, dime store therapy over here. But when you're arguing with her, she

seems to throw forks in the road at you a lot of the time, like Katie is not really addressing the situation. There are lots of diversions here that Badour storms Badour is just too frazzled, really all the time to contend with. But Shannon bears down and just says like, recording me is illegal. And I don't really care if you're on a Zoom call,

I don't care who you showed it to, recording me is illegal. What do you think about her saying that she is the most evil person that she's ever met and that she's worse than Alexis Bellino? Yeah, I just camera. That sounded like somebody who is all too concerned of other things that may have been filmed, like, maybe, you know, when, like, if you've had two glasses of wine and you go to sleep and you wake up and you're like, Oh, did I DM the wrong person? Yeah.

You know, did I, you know, spill something on the carpet and not clean it up? Like you're just, there's that moment of panic, like, Oh God, what did I do? I feel like that is Shannon's entire life. She's perpetually panicked about what she may or may not have done. So that to me, that reaction was a bit of that, but that's compounded with Katie's odd ability to never really get frazzled.

I mean, they're all coming at her and she's just sort of like, okay, yeah, you're right. I did that. She is pretty Teflon. I gotta say. Teflon, tell me. So you have razzle dazzle with Teflon and it's never gonna work. And did we mention that she's stunning? Beyond. Get in the comments. Why wasn't she a model? She should have been. Get in the comments, let us know what you thought about the episode, how we should have pranked Pat. Go listen to Reality Life with KKC. Go to the website. There is nobody better at breaking down the docs,

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